1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: Why from ball Hartbier and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 3: Before we begin to let me express the horror and 4 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 3: grief so many Americans that the heinous assassination of Charlie 5 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 3: Kirka felt. 6 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: Charlie was a. 7 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 4: Giant of his generation, a champion of liberty, and an 8 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 4: inspiration to millions and millions of people. Our prayers are 9 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 4: with his wonderful wife, Eric and his beautiful children. 10 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: Fantastic people they are. We miss him greatly. 11 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 3: Yet I have no doubt that Charlie's voice and the 12 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: courage he put into the hearts of countless people, especially 13 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 3: young people, will live on. I'm pleased to announce that 14 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 3: I will soon be awarding Charlie kirk posthumously the Presidential 15 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 3: Medal of Freedom. The date of the ceremony will be announced, 16 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: and I can only guarantee you one thing that we 17 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: will have a very big crowd, very very big of that, 18 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 3: I have no. 19 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 2: Doubt, Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you. 20 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: You find everything at Tony Katz dot com that President 21 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: Trump talking about the Medal of Freedom. 22 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: The assassination, I guess you right. 23 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: In tragedy you learn about people, you also learn how 24 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: devoid of humanity some people are. And one of the 25 00:01:48,080 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: things that we saw with the assassination was Matthew Dowd 26 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: over at MSNBC. Now, we should be clear that the 27 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: commentary about Matthew Dowd goes along a careless streak. Now, 28 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: with Matthew Dowd, it was he could care less. But 29 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: how about this, just a couple of days ago from 30 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: the Senator from Connecticut, Chris. 31 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 5: Murphy, We're not going to convince Donald Trump to stand 32 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 5: down in his attempts to destroy our democracy through de 33 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 5: escalatory politics. 34 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: Like that's just not happening. 35 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 5: So our only opportunity, our only chance to save our 36 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 5: democracy is to fight fire with fire. 37 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: Right now, let's stop, let's stop for a moment. We 38 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: have to save our demo democracy fighting fire with fire. 39 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: Violent rhetoric. We were told, we were told when Donald 40 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: Trump used this kind of rhetoric, you've gotta fight this, 41 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: We've gotta fight this. We're gonna fight like hel that's 42 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: what encouraged people to violence. But when Chuck Schumer said, 43 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: you will reap the whirlwind Supreme Court if you do 44 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: something about abortion, and you will pay the price, You 45 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: won't know. 46 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: What hit you. 47 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: That was just jibber jabber. This is just days ago, 48 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: Senator Chris Murphy. 49 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 5: Now, so yeah, do I bemoan the fact that you 50 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 5: know we're now blowing up norms? 51 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: Yes, but literally for two seconds. 52 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 5: Because if you spend any more than that being sorry 53 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 5: for the fact that the old world doesn't exist, then 54 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 5: your democracy is gone. Like we're we're in a war 55 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 5: right now to save this country, and so you have 56 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 5: to be willing to do whatever is necessary in order 57 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 5: to save the country. 58 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: Is that what happened in oram Utah yesterday and the 59 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: assassination of Charlie Kirk. Senator Murphy, do whatever it takes. 60 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: Not a question winning at the pallot, not a question 61 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: of winning ideas. Now, I want to be clear that 62 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: I do not blame Senator Murphy for the death of 63 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. 64 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: People are responsible for their own actions. 65 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: But if we are going to be a society that 66 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: notes when rhetoric is being ramped up for a particular purpose, 67 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: well then put Senator Chris Murphy in the box of 68 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: people ramping up the rhetoric Like all of those on 69 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: MSNBC and all those on CNN. Trump is a threat 70 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: to democracy. It's a threat to democracy. Republicans are a 71 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: threat to democracy. Women's rights will be gone, Your rights 72 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: will be gone. We have to do something to save democracy. 73 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: Democracy is on the ballot. It is indeed, whoever this 74 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: shooter was, whoever this shooter was, this person of interest 75 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: where the photos have been released, they're the one responsible. 76 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: But are we gonna pretend we don't see what Senator 77 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: Chris Murphy is doing now? I have argued that we 78 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: are at war. Before you can go back to Andrew Breitbart, 79 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: the late great Andrew Breitbart talking about war, you could 80 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: go to Joe Biden talking about a fight for the 81 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: soul of the country. I don't disagree that that is 82 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: the case, that that's what we're doing, that that is 83 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: exactly where we're at. I guess I just didn't understand 84 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: on the grounds in which we were fighting, because I 85 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: was fighting to change minds, persuade people, and get votes. 86 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: What were you doing, leftists? What were you advocating for? 87 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: Because you know, I'd always stated that seemed like you 88 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: were advocating for a lone wolf. I didn't say seemed 89 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: I said you were advocating for a lone wolf. That 90 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: was very clear that you were looking for somebody to 91 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: try and kill Donald Trump. You tried, and you tried, 92 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: and you tried, and you found the guy in Butler 93 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: and oh he missed, thank god. But I think you 94 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: were trying. I don't even. 95 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 2: Think you're playing pretend on that. I think you know 96 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: you are trying. 97 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: But I always thought we were. 98 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: The objective was to win the ballot box. I said 99 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: so on this show on numerous occasions. Seems that Senator 100 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: Murphy is playing a much different game and is desirous 101 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: of a much different result. As for the idea of rhetoric, 102 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: this brings us to Matthew Dowd, who decided on MSNBC 103 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: in quite literally the first hour after Charlie Kirk was shot, 104 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 2: unknown if he was alive or dead, he decided to 105 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: engage in some really ugly speculation. 106 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, again, emphasize what you just emphasized. We don't know 107 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 6: any of the full details of this that we don't 108 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 6: know if this was a supporter shooting their gun off 109 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 6: in celebration or so. We have no idea about it. 110 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk got shot, and you have the audacity to 111 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: say to an audience. We don't know if this was 112 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: a Charlie Kirk supporter shooting off their firearm in celebration. 113 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: When you heard that, were you just disgusted or did 114 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: you know that he was just criminally insane, I mean, 115 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: out of his mind. And if that wasn't enough, there 116 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: was this. 117 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 6: He's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger 118 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 6: figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this 119 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 6: sort of hate speech or sort of aimed. 120 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: At certain groups. 121 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 6: And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to 122 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 6: hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. 123 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: And I think that's the environment we're. 124 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 6: In that people just you can't stop with these sort 125 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 6: of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful 126 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 6: words and not expect awful actions to take place. And 127 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 6: that's the unfortunate environment we're in. 128 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: If I were to translate for Matthew Dowd of MSNBC, 129 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: what he said of Charlie Kirk is your skirt's too 130 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: short and you deserve to be raped. 131 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: That's what he said. 132 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: It's what he said, and it's what he got fired for. 133 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: The statement from Rebecca Cutler, the president of MSNBC came 134 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: out on the MSNBCPR Twitter handle, not the regular MSNBC one. 135 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: MSNBC has five million followers. MSNBCPR has about twenty five 136 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: thousand followers, and the statement is during our breaking news 137 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: coverage of the shooting of Charlie Kirk, Matthew Dowd made 138 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:24,359 Speaker 1: comments that were inappropriate and insensitive. Inappropriate, insensitive, and unacceptable. 139 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: We apologize for his statements, as has he There's no 140 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: place for violence in America, political or otherwise. Okay, he 141 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: has now been fired. They fired him, and that was 142 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: absolutely in every way the right move. But I think 143 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: we have to take a moment to go back and 144 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:02,239 Speaker 1: hear what he said that what Charley Kirk was discussing 145 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: was hateful. 146 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 6: It's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger 147 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 6: figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this 148 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 6: sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. 149 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 6: And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to 150 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 6: hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. 151 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: You understand that Matthew Dad considers himself an intellectual and 152 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: breaking down his pseudo intellectual thought process, what he said 153 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: is Charlie Kirk's skirt was too short and he deserved 154 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: it because it was hateful. Now the question is to 155 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: whom it was it hateful? Because I've heard Charlie Kirk speaking, 156 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: there are things I disagreed with. Things I thought he 157 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: was wrong on what the angels walk amongst us. I'm 158 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: a real person who looks at people and says they're 159 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: not always perfect, and it's all right we agree on 160 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: more when we did agree on, I'm not down with 161 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: that thing. 162 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: What did he say that was hateful and deserving of death? 163 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: What did he say that was so awful, so horrific, 164 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: so shameful, so terrible that he deserved to be shot 165 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: in the neck in front of a crowd of thousands 166 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: so they could watch him tense up and bleed out. 167 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: Who are you, Matthew Dad, to decide what is hateful? 168 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: You know what's hateful, Matthew Dad. Men can be women, 169 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: and women can be men, and boys can be girls 170 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: and girls can be boys. That is hateful. That is vitriolic, 171 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: That is wanting to abuse children and leading children down 172 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: a road of abuse, chemical castration. It is horrifying that 173 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: anybody could say such evil words. Or is that not 174 00:11:54,720 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: what you meant? What were his evil words, men are 175 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: not women. Women are not men. Jesus' Lord, tell me 176 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: what his evil words were. Because thousands and thousands and 177 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: thousands of people showed up on college campuses because they 178 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: agreed with him. Now I will argue some also showed 179 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: up to watch him bat around liberals. Oh stop it. 180 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: Of course that was a huge part of it. What 181 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: did he say that was hateful? He might have been 182 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: hated for the way he was able to dismantle arguments 183 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: and he had a rhetorical flourish that I never even liked. 184 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: But that's not a reason to go about killing him. Well, 185 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: you see, he was saying things people don't like, So 186 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: what do you expect? 187 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 6: And I think that's the environment we're in that people 188 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 6: just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts 189 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 6: you have and then saying these awful words and not 190 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 6: expect awful actions to take place. 191 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: So his thoughts were awful. So he was guilty of 192 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: thought crime. Now I ask you he got fired because 193 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: we took notice how many people watching on MSNBC shoot 194 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: there and said, yup, yup, yup. You can't be hateful. 195 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: You can't think hateful things. I don't think hateful things. 196 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm really good. Please don't shoot me. I'll be good. 197 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: I'll think whatever it is you want me to think. 198 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: I just want to be someone who's good. My gosh, 199 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: what side do you want to be on? Once you hear. 200 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 7: That that not only is excusing the murder of Charlie Kirk, 201 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 7: that's a freaking mouse struggle session right there. 202 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: Do you have the right thoughts? Do you share the 203 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: right thoughts, the right sentiments? You don't want to share 204 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: the wrong thoughts to you. You don't want us to 205 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: think you have wrong thoughts to you. You know what 206 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: happens if you have wrong thoughts. That's what he just did. 207 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: That's what he just said. My gosh, I have never 208 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: been more thankful. I am not a progressive. That is cruel. 209 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: And he said that, and you know he left thinking, man, 210 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: I really said something super smart there. I'm the smartest 211 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: guy in the room. I'm so bright. The MSNBC brass 212 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: saw that, heard from us and said, we are not 213 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: going to win this one. Easier to bring back Jeffrey 214 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: Tubin from a little bit of caught on video self 215 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: pleasure than it is to bring back Matthew dowd Oh 216 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: don't worry. He'll have another job. But that's what that's 217 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you've seen the social media reactions, people cheering 218 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk's death. 219 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: But this is where the intellectual went problem is, you're 220 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: too hateful. 221 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: What did Matthew dud do? Accept echo the thoughts of 222 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: every single college professor out there, all right, most college 223 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: professors out there, And I would answer very little. And 224 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: I would answer if you were wondering whether or not 225 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: more violence was going to come, just look at the 226 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: thought process of Matthew Dowd and you have your answer. 227 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today dealing with 228 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: somebody in the chat room. We're talking about Charlie Kirk. 229 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: There's a video of him saying that school shootings is 230 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: what we have to deal with in order to protect 231 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: the Second Amendment. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today. There's been 232 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: a lot of this. Hey, listen, Charlie Kirk, he's for 233 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: the Second Amendment? What else did what did you expect? 234 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: What else did I expect? Expected him not to be murdered? 235 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: The Second Amendment remains. I don't want school shootings. I 236 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: want children to be protected from the monsters who want 237 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: to tell them that they could be girls of they're 238 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: boys and boys if they could be girls, and I 239 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: want them protect them from monsters outside, and I want 240 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: them protected by people who are the good guys with guns. 241 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: You keep thinking this is a Second Amendment story. 242 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: It's not millions of lawful gun owners and nobody shot 243 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. This guy murdered Charlie Kirk and it had 244 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: nothing to do with the gun. 245 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: It's not the gun. 246 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: It was the representative of Cosio Cortez who tried to 247 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: make this argument, and it's wrong, and we've had it. 248 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: The gun stay, end of discussion. The gun stay. This 249 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: is about people. You're after the gun as the excuse, 250 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: as if somehow that's going to cure the issue that 251 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: people have in engaging in violence, when the issues, of 252 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: course the issue. 253 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: They haven't engaging in violence. 254 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: Thinking they could silence others because they disagree with them. 255 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 1: It's not the Second Amendment. And to be clear, it 256 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: remains there's not a leftist who can end it. You're 257 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: not gonna grab every gun. You're not gonna go door 258 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: to door. Eric Swawell can't do this. You're not tough enough. 259 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: You're not strong enough. Americans won't put up with it. 260 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 2: So we're done with this conversation. Done, kitten booboo. 261 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: The FBI is now offering one hundred thousand dollars for 262 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: information leading to the arrest of Charlie Kirk's assassin. Offering 263 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: a ward of up to one hundred thousand dollars for 264 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: information leading to the identification and arrest of the individual 265 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: or individuals responsible for the murder of Charlie Kirk on 266 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: September tenth, twenty twenty five, at Utah Valley University in 267 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: orm Utah one eight hundred call FBI is the tip line, 268 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: and the Carolina Panthers firing one of their social media 269 00:17:54,359 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: guys for out on the socials that why y'all said 270 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: your man said it was worth it and it was 271 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: a slide on the social media post with a song 272 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: by Wu Tang called protection neck. 273 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: Hah. 274 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: That's who they are. People who have lost the arguments, 275 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: people who have never had the argument. People who do 276 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: not engage in a rational way. If you are still 277 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: talking about the Second Amendment is the issue here, You're 278 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: just wrong. The issue is the person who said I 279 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: can't allow Charlie Kirk to speak, and tomorrow it is you. Wait, 280 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: tomorrow it might be me, but then the next day 281 00:18:55,040 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: it's you. It eventually becomes you. In the world where 282 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: they utilize violence to solve the problem and not civility 283 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: to solve issues and engage debate and come to consensus, 284 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: where someone wins and someone loses and we all move 285 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: on together. Eventually you lose, Eventually you die. That's history. 286 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: Anybody who doubts that simply has never read a book. 287 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: That's all there is to it. Senator Jim Banks joins me. Next, 288 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: Senator Jim Banks of Indiana, keep it here. 289 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 2: This is Tony Kats today. So as the FBI. 290 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: Told us, in law enforcement in Utah told us they 291 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: know how the killer of Charlie Kirk got into Utah, 292 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: to the university there, Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, Good 293 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: to be with you a Utah Valley University. They were 294 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: able to track this killer through the stairwells up to 295 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: the roof and then off the roof and through neighborhoods 296 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: where the killer discarded the weapon as they describe it. 297 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: At least that may have changed by the time you 298 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: hear this. A bolt action rifle. I have nothing more 299 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: than that Charlie Kirk assassinated, murdered. I think the correct 300 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: term is assassinated at the age of thirty one. Senator 301 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: Jim Banks joins us right now, senator from Indiana Republican, 302 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: my senator, and Sir, I did not have interactions with Charlie, 303 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: not on a bad note of any kind. Just we 304 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: met once. I spoken at a turning point event before 305 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: here in Indiana. But we did not have daily interactions. 306 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: You had more interactions than I did, sir. So let's 307 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: start with where you are less than twenty four hours 308 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: after the assassination of Charlie. 309 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 8: Kirk well Tony. I'm still processing it. Obviously a shocking 310 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 8: moment yesterday. I knew Charlie pretty well. He was a 311 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 8: support of mine. We communicated often about big votes and 312 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 8: big issues in Congress. I just I can't. I think 313 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 8: about my my wife, my daughters, and I then I 314 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 8: think about his wife and his young kids and what 315 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 8: they're going through. I mean, there's there's there's nothing more 316 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 8: important than that to pray, pray for his family. But 317 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 8: the whole the whole country is processing this. Charlie Kirk 318 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 8: was very close to President Trump, very very close to 319 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 8: the Trump family, and a lot of people are affected 320 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 8: by this. A lot of young a lot of young 321 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 8: people who have been involved in my campaigns, a lot 322 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 8: of young who's your conservatives and college kids who have 323 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 8: been impacted by turning Point and Charlie. I mean, I've 324 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 8: talked to so many people that listen to him every 325 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 8: single day and that are very impacted by this. So 326 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 8: my heart goes out to his family all who are 327 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 8: impacted by Charlie was a great guy. He was a warrior, 328 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 8: but he had he had a great style. I mean, 329 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 8: he was a happy warrior, a great communicator of our time. 330 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 8: And I'm going to miss him and miss the impact 331 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 8: that he that he's had. But we're gonna we're going 332 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 8: to remember him, and we're gonna we're going to emulate 333 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 8: him and do our best to carry on the important 334 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 8: work that he's done. 335 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: You know the concept of impact, and certainly you saw 336 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: the crowds that would show up when he would go 337 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: to universities. You know, the whole proved me wrong concept 338 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: and very often people showed up just to see whatever 339 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: left us of the day was going to get smacked 340 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: around with fact logic, and reason. 341 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: But you as somebody. 342 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: Who has run for office, you certainly were there as 343 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: President Trump running for the White House. 344 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: Again, what did you see as the impact? 345 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: What is the tangible you can connect us to regarding 346 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: the impact of Turning Point USA and Charlie more specifically. 347 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, I went back. I can read some of my 348 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 8: text messages with Charlie late last night, and it just 349 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 8: reminded me that he at times Tony he was He 350 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 8: would push me. I mean he would he would make 351 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 8: me think about a big vote, and sometimes sometimes we 352 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 8: would we would disagree on an issue he didn't think 353 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 8: I was. I was fighting hard enough. And you know 354 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 8: that that that's the that's the personal impact. He he 355 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 8: endorsed me that the very day that I got into 356 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 8: my Senate race, and I remember the young people that 357 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 8: reacted to that, who got him involved in my campaign 358 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 8: because they followed him and the important work that he did. 359 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 8: But I think it's it's it's big, It's bigger than that. 360 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 8: That's the personal part. But the bigger part of it 361 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 8: is the many young people I think about, even family 362 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 8: members of my own, who aren't, who aren't, who aren't, 363 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 8: who weren't politically active, but they were inspired by him 364 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 8: to get active and to get involved, and they would 365 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 8: go they would go to one of these Turning Point conferences. 366 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 8: And this was what was the incredible part about Turning Point, 367 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 8: that these massive conferences of speakers that Charlie would put together, 368 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 8: and then the young people who would fly to from 369 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 8: Indiana to Florida to go to a conference, and they 370 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 8: came back fired up to do something about it, fired 371 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 8: up and inspired. And that's what Charlie did every single days. 372 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 8: He motivated and built a movement of young people. There's 373 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 8: a reason why young Americans are turning to our side 374 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 8: more than ever before in my lifetime is because of 375 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 8: the important work to Turning Point and Charlie Kirk has 376 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 8: done to inspire that generation. They're thinking right, They're they're 377 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 8: becoming conservative, they're supporting President Trump and the Trump policies 378 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 8: because of the important work that Charlie did. 379 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: Talking to Senator Jim Banks of Indiana, certainly we saw 380 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: President Trump be shot in Butler, Pennsylvania. We see this 381 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: and there's this conversation about political rhetoric and ginning people up. 382 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 2: I argue that it indeed happens. 383 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: I have argued that the political left has been searching 384 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: for a lone wolf for a long time. When they 385 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: say Trump is a threat to democracy, Republican's a threat 386 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: to democracy, a threat to women, a threat to this. 387 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: They're going to take your rights, They're going to put 388 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: you on back in the chains, those kinds of commentaries. 389 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: But in the end, it is the individual who is 390 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: responsible for their own actions. 391 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: Should we as a society be looking at. 392 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: Those people who have been screaming and yelling Trump is 393 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: a threat, Republicans are a threat. Charlie Kirk is a threat. 394 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: Your local radio host is a threat. Are they responsible 395 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: for this? Or is the individual who engages the act 396 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: responsible for this? 397 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 9: Yeah? 398 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 8: I mean, at the end of the day, it's these 399 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 8: crazy people and they're you know, I've seen it. I've 400 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 8: seen it, Tony. I mean, I've met these people. These 401 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 8: people get I you know, my my, my, my family 402 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 8: has had these threats, and it's you know, you're you're, you're, 403 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,479 Speaker 8: you're tackling a larger a larger issue here. I mean, 404 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 8: I The only thought that I have though, is the day, 405 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 8: the day before yesterday, a video goes viral on X 406 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 8: of a woman brutally murdered on a on a bus 407 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,719 Speaker 8: on a public on a public bus in North Carolina. 408 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 8: And then and then yesterday my friend Charlie Kirk assassinated 409 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 8: for what he believed, for what he believed in. Because 410 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 8: he's effective and because he's close to to Donald Trump, 411 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 8: That's why he was assassinated. And then you watch it 412 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 8: play out online and how can a healthy how can 413 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 8: any healthy society watch these these brutal murders play out 414 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 8: on x online? And how can we be a healthy 415 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 8: society when that continues to happen? And then we then 416 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 8: we watch, we all watch it. I mean I something 417 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 8: there's a part of that that that grieves me too, 418 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 8: that there's something very very wrong going on here and 419 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 8: I don't know how to stop it. I don't know 420 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 8: how to fix it. I mean, this is the health 421 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 8: of our country and our and our society as people, 422 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 8: and we got to be better. We got to do something, 423 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 8: We got to do, we got to do something different 424 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 8: to stop something like that. 425 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: Talking to with Senator Jim Banks of Indiana, I have argued, sir, 426 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: and I think you may have heard me discuss this before, 427 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: that the only way out is through that there is 428 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: no way to flip the switch and make people stop 429 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: being horrific hateful violence. But rather we have to see 430 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: our way through, and the concepts and the philosophies have 431 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: to be defeated. 432 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 2: That this is a ballot box conversation. 433 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: It seems obvious that for some the idea of this 434 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: attack is to stop the speech from happening. But as 435 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: we heard from President Trump and his Oval office address yesterday, 436 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: as we have heard from others, these things don't work 437 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: that way. You see the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and 438 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: whether it's a radio host I like myself on a 439 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: local or national level, or you in your work, and 440 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: and and people are television, video, other things, they're not 441 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: going to stop. Is there a an effect that we 442 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: see coming into the elections where maybe that will teach 443 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: some of these violent people you can't actually stop this. 444 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 2: It only inspires people to be more active. 445 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 8: Yeah, I hope. So. I mean the day that I 446 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 8: knew Donald Trump was going to be at the president 447 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 8: again was the day that he was shot in Pennsylvania. 448 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 8: I mean that that was the day that I knew it. 449 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 8: I think it's I think it's the day that he 450 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 8: knew it, and and that became true. The country revolted 451 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 8: against that despicable act. And in Pennsylvania, now you have 452 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 8: had this incident, I think about, you know, my first 453 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 8: year in Congress is back in twenty seventeen. I'll never 454 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 8: forget you know where I was and what I was 455 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 8: doing when I found out that Steve Scalise was shot 456 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 8: on the baseball diamond outside of Washington, d c UH, 457 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 8: practicing with the Congressional baseball team. So my hope is 458 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 8: that the country will will reject to your point, reject it, 459 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 8: go to the ballot box, reject these tactics, and and 460 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 8: then we can move on and restore this great country. 461 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 8: And remember that what what makes it great is that 462 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 8: we can civilly disagree. And it's the greatest country in 463 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 8: the history of the world because we have these rights 464 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 8: to think differently and and uh and and and act 465 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 8: act out on the differences of opinion and a peaceful 466 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 8: and civil way through our through the civic process that 467 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 8: we have. And that's what it's all about. So to 468 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 8: your point, I hope, I hope that would be the case. 469 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: Before before I let you go, does anything that you 470 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: witnessed in Utah does it change the way you operate? 471 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: Does it change the way your office is operating or 472 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: any fellow senators. 473 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it, you know it. It reminds us 474 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 8: in the in the public eye and when we're out 475 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 8: in the public and you know, going to events to 476 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 8: be careful. I mean, I think of my I think 477 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 8: of my kids, I think of my wife, I think 478 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 8: of my staff and keeping them safe and protected. Of course, 479 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 8: I mean it. It crosses my mind, and I know 480 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 8: I know it crosses the mind of every single one 481 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 8: of my colleagues in the Senate as they as they 482 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 8: think about this too. On Capitol Hill, we have the 483 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 8: Capitol Police who are the heroes that protect me and 484 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 8: my staff every single day. And when I'm when I'm 485 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 8: back in Indiana and traveling around the state, you know, 486 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 8: we take precautions too. So but I you know, I 487 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 8: would be lying if we you know, myself and my 488 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 8: colleagues that we don't talk about that, we don't think 489 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 8: about it, and I'm sure that it will lead to 490 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 8: more measures that we'll all take to stay safe when we're. 491 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: In the public. Senator Jim Banks, I appreciate you taking 492 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: the time to be with us more to get to 493 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz. 494 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz today. 495 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 9: If you look at our table of contents, and we've 496 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 9: just passed out the report to many of you, we 497 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 9: break the restrictions on food into Gaza into a number 498 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 9: of parts. I'm just going to read them and not 499 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 9: go into great detail, but I think it's important to 500 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 9: understand the level of specifics in this report. We start 501 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 9: with the seventy eight day total blockade of food and 502 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 9: humanitarian assistance to Gaza that ran from March second to 503 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 9: May nineteenth, and as a result of that, you had 504 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 9: a huge amount of people starving to death in Gaza. 505 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 2: That's Senator Chris van Holland. 506 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: And I must tell you that I wouldn't trust a 507 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: single number that guy gave. You went to have margaritas 508 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: with kilmar Brego Garcia. We already know that you're an 509 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,239 Speaker 1: anti Israel guy. I'm now going to listen to you 510 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: regarding deaths in Gaza when everything is the fault of Hamas, 511 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: a terrorist organization. 512 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 2: The UN told us, Now do you trust the UN? 513 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 2: But the UN told us that it was. 514 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: Hamas that was stealing the food and keeping it from 515 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: the people. Israel is responsible for feeding the people that 516 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: attack them. A maddening proposition. Did I say hello, Tony Katz, 517 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: Tony Kats today, good to be with you. But Senator 518 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: Van Holland and Senator Merkley of both Democrats held this 519 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: press conference about the humanitarian situation in Gaza today. 520 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 9: One of the things we heard in loud and clear 521 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 9: is in order to address that problem right now is 522 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 9: to open more crossings in to Gaza. There are two 523 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 9: that are regularly opened, Karam Shalom, which we visited, and Zekeem. 524 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 9: There are two others that the international organizations have pushed 525 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 9: to have open end as regular crossings, not sporadic crossings, 526 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 9: in order to get more food into a gaza that 527 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 9: has not happened yet. There are, in addition, the advent 528 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 9: of this so called Gazi Humanitarian Initiative Center Merkeley will 529 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 9: speak more to this. 530 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 2: This is when after that. 531 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 9: Total total siege on food, the blockade on food, instead 532 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 9: of reopening the normal un delivery system, they move toward 533 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 9: this system with private contractors, private security folks opened just 534 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 9: foresights for two million people, three of them in southern Gaza, 535 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 9: none of them in the north. Clearly designed to use 536 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 9: food as a method of population control. As they try 537 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 9: to push the Palestinian population out of northern Gaza, and 538 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 9: of course we're witnessing right now the military operation there. 539 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: You can't trust the United Nations, because after all, the 540 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: UN was there in preparation for October seventh and help 541 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: participate in it. We already know this for fact, that 542 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: the idea that Israel still lets in food to a 543 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: an area that has tried to kill them and is 544 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: killing them, I mean, that's just still unprecedented. And most importantly, 545 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: Senator Chris van Hollands still cannot accept the fact that 546 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: this is a nation at war with a terrorist organization 547 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: and a population that supports it. We don't have to 548 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 1: somehow disagree with rational thought that there are definitely people 549 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: who are there in Gadz who don't support anything that's 550 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: going on, and they're suffering, absolutely positively true, without question true. 551 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: All of that suffering is at the fault of Hamas, 552 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: is on the feet of Hamas. It's on the hands 553 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: of Hamas. And here's Van Hans saying Israel this and 554 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: Israel that it's just weird. I don't care what your 555 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: thoughts are about Israel. That that is near and consequential 556 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: to the larger scale subject here in what other situation, 557 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: on what other planet could one engage this conversation. Israel 558 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: gets attacked, how dare Israel not feed the attacker? It 559 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: is a surreal thought process. But Israel does allow in food. 560 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 1: It's not enough according to the center of Van Holland, 561 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: who cares what he thinks. It's not more checkpoints, more 562 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: of this. What if you open up more checkpoints and 563 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: it allows more at tax possibly than Israel, they should 564 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: still allow it because you decided that's the right kind, normal, 565 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: nice decent thing to do. No, wanting the terrorists destroyed 566 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: and wanting the hostages returned is the nice, normal decent 567 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: thing to do. Wanting the terrorists destroyed and people being 568 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: able to live a safe lives, that's the nice, normal, 569 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: decent thing to do. Keep it here. 570 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony kats today. 571 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 5: He