1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: Line from Baal Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today. 3 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: I do not know Andrew Colbyn, a producer for the 4 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: late Charlie Kirk. I don't know the man. I've never 5 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: met the man. I've never had a conversation with the men, 6 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: to be honest, until Charlie's assassination, I don't think i'd 7 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: ever seen a picture of him. It's okay, I'm not 8 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: in that orbitten. You know. It's neither here nor there, 9 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Kats Today, guys, a pleasure to be with. 10 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 3: You. 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: Find everything I do over at Tony kats dot com 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: and go be a part of it the podcast wherever 13 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: it is you get your podcasts, just look for Tony 14 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: Kats Today. And some describe Andrew Covid is making a 15 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: heck of an allegation. And the allegation is that there 16 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: were indeed text messages between Charlie Kirk and Joe Kent. 17 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: Joe Kent was the guy running national counter terrorism and 18 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: he resigns last week in this big flourish and I 19 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: can't be a part of this, and I can't abide 20 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: by this war and this is all Israel's fault. Eighteen 21 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 2: days later, he decides to resign, not eighteen hours later, 22 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: not eighteen minutes later, eighteen days later. That's a guy 23 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: who wanted to make sure that his money was going 24 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: to be okay, his reputation was going to be able 25 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,279 Speaker 2: to have some bolstering something. No one waits eighteen days. 26 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: You mean if the word got on five days, you 27 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: would have been okay with it, Joe Kent. It's not 28 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: for me to understand. It's remain a notice because if 29 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: I try to understand it, my head will explode. I can't. 30 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 2: And you have come out on so many sides of things. 31 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: This is wrong, and this is obscene, and Trump's being 32 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 2: led by the Israelis, and then the other day it 33 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: was I hope Trump does this and does that and 34 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: wins this thing. Dude, I can't. I can't follow your letter. 35 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: I support the values of the foreign policies that you 36 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: campaigned on in twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, and twenty twenty four. 37 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: Until June twenty twenty five, you understood that the wars 38 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: in the Middle East were a trap that robbed america 39 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: precious lives and of our patriots and depleted the wealth 40 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: and prosperity of our nation. Then you talk about the 41 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: echo chamber and the tactics the Israelis to draw us 42 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 2: into this disastrous Iraq war that cost us our nation, 43 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: cost our nation of the lives of thousands and our 44 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: best men and women's. It's a pretty ugly letter. It's this, 45 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: but he sees himself as Joe kentsas as pious again 46 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: eighteen days eighteen days now. We learned after that that 47 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: he is under federal investigation for sharing classified information. Don't 48 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: tell me about his eleven tours and his Green beret 49 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: and all the rest. He shared classified information. I wanted 50 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: the book thrown at Biden and former Vice President Mike 51 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: Pence for having classified information. At least in the case 52 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: of Vice President Pence, he realized he had a box 53 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: with some classified information and he stopped what he was doing. 54 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: He called the the FBI of the Secret Service and said, 55 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: here it is. It wasn't strewed about his garage, like 56 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: Joe Biden hiding in an office in Boston, at his 57 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: house there in Delaware where people were coming in and out, 58 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 2: and the Secret Service kept no logs. That was always precious. 59 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: They never kept a log. They never they never even 60 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 2: saved the information. We're not allowed to know who visited 61 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: Joe Biden in Delaware. Fantastic. So you've got this investigation 62 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: going on about the sharing of classified information. This brings 63 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: us back to Andrew Colvid again. I don't know the man. 64 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: I have absolutely nothing against the man zero, But what 65 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: he is saying in a clip that he put out yesterday, 66 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 2: what he is saying is that the information that Candace 67 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: Owens utilized was actually from this guy, Joe Kent. How 68 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: in the world did she get this information. It's because 69 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 2: Joe Kent took text messages he had with Charlie Kirk 70 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: and shared them with Candace Owens. That's the argument being 71 00:05:49,120 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 2: made here. And this is, without a question, very very 72 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: very ugly. There's a lot to this. So I wanted 73 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: to take a moment. Now you're asking me, Tony, does 74 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: this matter? Is this really the news story you want 75 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 2: to you want to go after, give me a give 76 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: me a moment to explain. The answer right now is yes. 77 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: I have actually shared before there was a story that 78 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 2: was out in the U in one of the radio 79 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 2: trades about whether or not radio hosts should be talking 80 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: about these these people the podcast world, online characters, et cetera. 81 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 2: And someone I know, like and trust was like, no, no, 82 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: my audience isn't really interested in that, and I disagreed. 83 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: And my argument was was that part of our job 84 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: is to share with an audience what's happening. I I 85 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: never believe my job is to tell you what to think. 86 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: I do believe my job is give you something to 87 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 2: think about. And certainly I do think that part of 88 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: the job is sharing what's happening in places outside of 89 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: regular news, the kind of thing that your kids, your grandkids, 90 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: your nieces, your nephews, coworkers, they are getting. You should 91 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: have an idea of what that is. In the case here, 92 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: because certainly we're talking about war, and we're talking about 93 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: people going on their anti Israel and anti Trump and 94 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: anti American approaches. Certainly I can argue that Tucker Carlson 95 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: is anything but America. First, what matters here is where 96 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: people are connected, connections you can't even begin to imagine, 97 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: and what people are willing to do with that connection, 98 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: what they're willing to do in the furtherance of their 99 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: own career or their furtherance of a message. Why it 100 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: is imperative that even amongst people you don't like in 101 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: trust and I'll utilize myself as exams up number one 102 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: example A. Of course you want to check, double check, 103 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: and recheck. Everything I bring you is something that I theorize, 104 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: I believe in. I try to bring back up to 105 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: and I bring the data to of course I can 106 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: be wrong. What kind of crazy person doesn't think they 107 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: can be wrong? It is up to you to check, 108 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: double check, and recheck. So when this guy Joe Kent 109 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: is out there and people are buying into yeah Israel this, 110 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: and yeah what's America doing? Oh, Trump's lost his mind? 111 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: And this is the guy we now trust, A guy 112 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: who took private text messages and shared them with someone 113 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: who wasn't a part of it. I think that matters 114 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: because it also should lead us for those that on 115 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: the political right. I know lots of other people listen 116 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: to the show, and you could argue for you as well, 117 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: to be looking at what it is we allow and 118 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: what is that we say know to. Where is our 119 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: standard and whether or not we apply it. I think 120 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: we should. And you say to me, well that's great, Tony, 121 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: but the other side has no standard. And I say, 122 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: to you. Ah ah, I get it. I absolutely get it. 123 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: So way, if I was asked, I would tell them 124 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: they should stop doing that because it isn't there's something else, 125 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: and that's okay. I get why you did some things, 126 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: and you kept things going while you were figuring things 127 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: out in the horror of his assassination. I don't think 128 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 2: you're being rude by saying, Okay, this show has a 129 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: new name because it is something different, and here's how 130 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: we dedicate ourselves, and here's how we focus ourselves. I 131 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: take neither here nor there. This is Andrew Colvitt. 132 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: Eventually, Joe did message me and suggest that I make 133 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 3: those screen grabs public. I declined because those were shared privately. 134 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: I didn't want to be reckless with them in the public. 135 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 3: There could be innocent people on that group. 136 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: Chat that would then be harmed. So I declined. 137 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 3: But then fast forward another week or two and they 138 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 3: were made public. So that's what I know is that 139 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 3: Joe suggested that they be made public. I declined. Then 140 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: they were made public. Can I categorically say that he 141 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 3: leaked them, No, but those are the facts. Maybe somebody 142 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 3: on his team, maybe they got passed around, Maybe somebody 143 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: else leaked them. But that's those are the facts of 144 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 3: the matter, and that's. 145 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 2: What I know. Yeah, Now, good on him for covering himself. 146 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 2: And let's make sure we're saying it the way he did. 147 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: Text messages got leaked, other people were on a group chat. 148 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: He is not one hundred percent sure that Joe Kent 149 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: did it. One can make an inference and leave it 150 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: at that. Let the conversation continue. 151 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 4: And the reason we're bringing this up obviously with his 152 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 4: departure from the administration, there's a lot. 153 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: Of debate over what it means. People have been arguing 154 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: was he a leaker. 155 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: Some people have suggested he might be a criminal, he 156 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 4: should be indicted. 157 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: We're not saying that, but this has come up and. 158 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 3: Well, and my name's getting tossed around with this as 159 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: if I did something untoward. No, I don't regret any 160 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 3: of it. I regret that they were leaked. I was 161 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: told that I could trust him. I told that it 162 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: was private and it would be guarded, just to look 163 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 3: into any possible leads. And by the way, we did 164 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 3: that with a bunch of different things because we want 165 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 3: the truth to come out. 166 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: So we're not blocking anything. 167 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 3: We don't even care if the answer is something that 168 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 3: is really, really terrible. Okay, we want the truth, we 169 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: want justice, and we believe that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk. 170 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 3: We believe that they got their guy. We have additional questions, 171 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: but guess what that it was an egregious breach. Whoever 172 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: shared that screen grab publicly, it was an egregious breach, 173 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: and obviously we're not happy about it. But can't put 174 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 3: it back together again, can't put the pace back in 175 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 3: the tube, as they say. 176 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: When when I started in the movement, if you will, 177 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: I had a real belief that everybody was in it 178 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: for the same purpose. Better country, Better country rise and 179 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 2: tide lifts all boats. There's madness a foot in policy, 180 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: and we can do better. What I learned over time 181 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: is that maybe some people started out that way. A 182 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: lot of people said, I kind of think this way, 183 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: but if there's an opportunity for me, that's what I'm 184 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: really in form in to build my opportunities. And when 185 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 2: they got an opportunity, when they had a chance to grow, 186 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: they very quickly dropped anybody who was quote unquote left behind. 187 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: They were in the business for themselves. 188 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: And. 189 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: That is as a concept is nothing new, although maybe 190 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 2: it was new to me. Maybe it was just a 191 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: level of naivete that has held true and still holds true. 192 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: That the people that are getting celebrated not say that. 193 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: Take that back, I won't say celebrated. They seemed to 194 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: have large audiences online, seemed to be the kind of 195 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: people that whatever will give them some leg up, regardless 196 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: of what it does to someone else, regardless of what 197 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: it means to their own soul. That's fine, that's fine, 198 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: let's go do that. Nah, I don't have any respect 199 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: to that. Leaking Charlie Kirk's private messages to Candace Ellens 200 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: and Candace Owens would in any way utilize them or 201 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: reference it or anything else. You can't explain to me 202 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: in a way that will makes sense why Candace owns 203 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: to this date has a large audience, or Megan or Tucker, 204 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: and I could say the about one hundred people. I guess, 205 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: what is the moment when someone shows you that they're 206 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: no longer worth your time? At what moments do we 207 00:14:54,160 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 2: say these people are no longer worth our time? But 208 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: what moment do we say that's not going to work 209 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: for us. That's the story here, not everyone's perfect, and 210 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: I don't need altruism. I don't need to be the 211 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: most famous guy on the yard. Someone else is allowed 212 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: to be more famous, and many people are not famous. 213 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: But doesn't there come a moment where we look at 214 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: these people and say, Okay, we get it. You're so 215 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: desperate to ensure that twenty five year olds are watching 216 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: you that you'll do anything and say anything. We're not 217 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: interested in this, and don't they say, my god, these 218 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: people will do anything to get me to watch. I'm 219 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: not interested. The authenticity doesn't exist. So I believe we 220 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: need to bring this up because we're not having this conversation, 221 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: and we're not having this conversation with our kids, grandkids, cousins, nieces, nephews, friends. 222 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: They're going to watch these people and believe them and 223 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: think that everything that's coming their way comes from a 224 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: place of pure heart. When you're sharing private text messages, 225 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: that's not pure heart, that's pure something else. I'm Tony Katz. 226 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz today. Tell us, do our military 227 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: leaders have. 228 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 4: The Constitution and it's incumbent on our military leaders to 229 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 4: follow only lawful orders and just to be crystal clear 230 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 4: bombing civilian power infrastructure is a war crime. We decry 231 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 4: the Russians for doing this in Ukraine. Whenever they attack 232 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 4: Ukrainian civilian power infrastructure, we always say it's a war crime. 233 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 4: And so it's a war crime for the United States 234 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 4: to take out civilian power infrastructure in Iran. 235 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: What makes you think it's just civilian representative Malton four 236 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 2: tours in Iraq? Do you not understand how wars are won? 237 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: And the answer is no, you do not. Well, Tony, 238 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: you never served. Who are you to say I understand 239 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: that when you're talking about the Iranian regime, nothing is 240 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: for the people. Could we all please just grow the 241 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: hell up for thirty seconds? So all I ask, it's 242 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: a simple ask that maybe a piece of pound cake 243 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, and you know what, I'll 244 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: take the pound cake first. Please find everything at Tony 245 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 2: kats dot com. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing to hear this 246 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 2: kind of conversation. Four tours in Iraq. Your problem, Sir, 247 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 2: is that you don't understand winning. You don't understand the enemy. 248 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: Nothing is for the people. When we talk about Russia 249 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: and in the invasion of Ukraine, we're talking about an 250 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: invading force. All of it is a crime. Talk about 251 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: taking out a terrorist regime working on nuclear weapons and 252 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 2: definitively had missiles that could reach Diego, Garcia, really US 253 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 2: assets or at least the whole of Europe. When they 254 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 2: said they don't, everyone said, oh, they don't know they're 255 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,239 Speaker 2: ever gonna do it. Oh why are you saying this? 256 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 2: And oh those war mongering Israelis and Americans. We were 257 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: right and they were wrong, and possibly you were wrong, 258 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: Senator Representative Moulton, Lord forbid. Senator Moulton, Your problem is 259 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: you don't know how to win. You barely know how 260 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 2: to fight. Four tours you did, sir, It's important that 261 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: our military knows not to follow illegal orders. There is 262 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 2: nothing illegal about the order. There is something horrifyingly offensive 263 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 2: and inhumane about taking hit after hit from a terrorist 264 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 2: organization and not fighting back, never mind just remarkably stupid. 265 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 2: We're different people, we are different, but these guys will 266 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: accept anything, They'll take any punch every day. They're willing 267 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 2: to get punched in the face. And they are Kevin 268 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: Bacon in animal House. Thank you, sir, Can I have 269 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 2: another Holy crap? I don't want to give these people 270 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 2: another term. I'm sure as hell don't want to give 271 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 2: these people power in the midterms. How is it possible 272 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: that Republicans are going to lose to that guy they're trying, 273 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: although I'll dig into that later this week. Three more 274 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 2: things that's coming up. Keep it here. This is Tony 275 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: Katz Today. Find everything at Tony kats dot com. Three 276 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: more things Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today, Good to be 277 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: with you. Three things that should be headlines, or it 278 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: should be at least in your news feeds. But with 279 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 2: everything going on, I do not know if it's gonna 280 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 2: get there. Find everything I do, by the way, at 281 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 2: Tony Katz dot com. It was the story out of 282 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: Axios about how Democratic candidates for president we're going to 283 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 2: lean into their childhood traumas in order to get elected. 284 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 2: This was the plan. It was about, Hey, here's what 285 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 2: happened to me. Hey, here's a story of my life. 286 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: Oh poor me, and somehow that makes me a better candidate. Shapiro, 287 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: who has a book Why We Keep the Light, talks 288 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: about he had a happy childhood and it points an 289 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: unhappy childhood home. Oh you mean like everybody? You mean 290 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 2: like everybody? Right, so how his mother could be unstable 291 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 2: and his siblings believe that if we were good, we 292 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: could stop the chaos and the yelling. And he writes 293 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 2: that it explains why I always sought to solve problems. 294 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 2: I had to anticipate a problem or a pain point 295 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: before there was a blow up. You're not different, sir, 296 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: than millions and millions and millions and millions and millions 297 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: and millions of Americans. The conversation here, whether we're talking 298 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: about Shapiro, Gavin Newsom, Wright Spirit is the governor of Pennsylvania, 299 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom is the disgusting governor of California. I'll explain 300 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: why in a minute, but you already know the answer. 301 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 2: And then of course you've got jab Pritzker, who's the 302 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 2: governor of Illinois, and they all want to talk about 303 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 2: this this thing that happened to them. Well, first, that's 304 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: good storytelling. Here's this thing that happened to me, and 305 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: now here's how I overcame it, unless, of course, you 306 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: never overcame the thing. And that is the problem with 307 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: society in a nutshell. You know, I talk about this 308 00:21:53,560 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: book tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, and I'm I'm not 309 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: familiar in terms of being friendly with Gabrielle Zevin, the author, right, 310 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: I don't know her, but in this book, the line 311 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: that was told to me was, you know about these 312 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: characters and talking about the things that they've dealt with, 313 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 2: and how people make these things that they've dealt with 314 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 2: their story. And the line is, how do you overcome 315 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 2: your trauma when it's the most interesting thing about you? 316 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: That is so much of a problem with society as 317 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: a whole, specifically liberalism, where everything is about the trauma. 318 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 2: It is about how I identify. You don't know what 319 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 2: it's like to be me. You have to you have 320 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 2: to indulge me and all of my insanities. It's you know, 321 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: pronouns for example, we have to pretend that men are 322 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: women and because of this trauma and who I am 323 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 2: on the inside, and dear Lord, I picked just one example, 324 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,479 Speaker 2: and there are hundreds that we could go through. If 325 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: you and I were sitting together on a barstool having 326 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 2: a bourbon. Wallowing in your trauma is not the mark 327 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: of the man. How you overcame it, found its place 328 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 2: and moved on with your life is Wallowing in trauma 329 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 2: is what children do. Adults move forward. And yet we 330 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: see what liberalism does. It talks about the trauma, the trauma, 331 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 2: the trauma, the trauma, the trauma. We all had crap parents, 332 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: and some of them were great crap parents, but we 333 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: all at least had a moment where everything was crap, 334 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: where the bad thing happened. Now, if by some chance 335 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: you didn't, well, wow, you're super rare. Everybody else lived 336 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 2: a normal life. The question is what did you do next? 337 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: For some people it happened to no time. For some 338 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: people it took a great amount of time. I talk 339 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: about my own life, I talk about depression, I talk 340 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: about being suicidal, and I follow it up I was 341 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: My twenties were a mess. I wasted a whole damn 342 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: decade of my life, an entire decade. The only thing 343 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: I did that was even remotely worthwhile is that I 344 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: got married. And why she did it, I don't know, 345 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: but I'm glad because it's still going Strong saved my life, 346 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 2: that woman. But it is true, it's the only thing 347 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 2: in my twenties that I did remotely correct. Everything else 348 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: was a mess. There are parts of my twenties I 349 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: don't remember. It was a fog, it was a haze. 350 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: It was a depression, was it was day after day 351 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 2: and I don't know how long this lasted. Of saying, 352 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 2: how could I do this without my wife just walking 353 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 2: in on me? What is the note that I leave? 354 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: What is the positioning? That happened a lot? But I've 355 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 2: never not by the way I tell the story, because 356 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 2: people go through these things, and there's the National Suicide 357 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: Prevention online that you can call. I never made that call, 358 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 2: but if you need to, Yeah, of course you should. 359 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 2: Of course you should. Nine to eight eight is the 360 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: number they use. Now that's just you know, nine eight 361 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: eight nine eight eight lifeline dot org. Go right ahead, 362 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 2: You're worth it. But I always follow up the conversation. 363 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,719 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to give a short trip to it. 364 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 2: I always followed that conversation with it got better, and 365 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 2: I believe that it can. And I worked through it. 366 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: I swear to you. I went to I went to 367 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: a therapist once. Actually I take them back. I went 368 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: to a therapist twice, not a psychiatrist, the whatever my 369 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: wife's insurance covered, and went and had this conversation. Did 370 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: it last twenty minutes? I don't recall. And then I 371 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: went back and the guy literally said why are you here? 372 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, I know I'm not a okay, 373 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: but I'm clearly not crazy now. The truth is I've 374 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: always said this, I should have gone to somebody else. 375 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: I think I would have been able to move through 376 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 2: it faster. I moved through very slowly for me, and 377 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 2: that was that was a problem only because I think 378 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: I could have helped myself more. I truly believe that, 379 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: and therefore I could have been much easier for other 380 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 2: people to have dealt with. It was not easy. I 381 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: was not an easy guy. Some people could argue I'm 382 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 2: not an easy guy now, but I am a peach 383 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: compared to back then. But the point is I found 384 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: its place for it. I overcame. I don't forget that 385 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 2: it happened. It's just not the thing that I lead with. 386 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 2: It is not the most interesting thing about me. It 387 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 2: is a part of my life that happened. I found 388 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 2: its place and I moved on with my day. And 389 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 2: that's just it. That's the mark I swear to you. 390 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 2: The older I am, the more that I think that 391 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: Marcus Aurelius has real point. There's a serious value in 392 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 2: Stoicism which is not about the ignoring of a feeling 393 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 2: or thought, but rather a recognition of how one handles 394 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 2: and deals with that. And certainly people who are engaged 395 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: in soicism can disagree with me on more finer points. Responsibility, 396 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 2: the ability to handle your own emotions. These are the 397 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 2: things that make the man. And I get that. I 398 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,719 Speaker 2: might not be speaking to how women see it as 399 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 2: much as men see it, but I got to take 400 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 2: in my point of view. I'm talking about a Shapiro 401 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 2: and Newsome and Pritzker here, so you know, allegedly there 402 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: are all men. See what I did there That was 403 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: just rude, And so that's the way I approach the subject. 404 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: But to wallow in it and to say this is 405 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: the most important thing about me, or oh woe is me, 406 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: that's the worst stuff in the world you can do. 407 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: That is the demon. And that's what we see time 408 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: and again and again and again. Oh I've been traumatized, honey, 409 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 2: We've all been traumatized, all of us. Maybe it was 410 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 2: like me and I don't even get into some of 411 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: the things that that sent me in this direction. Although 412 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 2: depression comes from the inside, I truly believe it was 413 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: about me. It really wasn't about the outside things and 414 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 2: having to come to grips with that and understand that 415 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 2: was hugely important. But we've all been through the crap 416 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: and we all need to figure out a way to 417 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: overcome and not make it the thing that dominates our 418 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: damn lives. So I wonder now whether or not these 419 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: candidates really do see this idea of their trauma as 420 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 2: their lead or is it the overcoming that is, because 421 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: all good stories have a trauma and then how you 422 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: overcome it, how you persevere. Right, very few stories are 423 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 2: about here's the trauma and how you succumb to it. Well, 424 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: I mean happy stories at least, stories of uplift, stories 425 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 2: of strength, stories of leadership, capacity and capability, which is 426 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 2: what we want. Are democrats actually able to muster that 427 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: kind of thing to reach Americans where they are? I 428 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 2: do not believe. So, no, no, where the American left is, 429 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 2: the American left is in the place of ms now 430 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: and nonsense analysts. Malli Jong Fast a leftist talking about 431 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: how Trump is attacking poor Gavin Newsom oh i Q. 432 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: Person, you know, because Gavin Newscomb has admitted that he 433 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: is that he has learning disabilities. 434 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm all for people with learning. 435 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 5: Disabilities, but not for my president. 436 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: I don't want. 437 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 5: I think a president should not have a learning disability? 438 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 2: Is okay? 439 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 6: Vis President Trump last week suggesting that California Governor Gavin 440 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 6: Newsom is not qualified to be president because he has dyslexia. 441 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 6: This really touched nerve for a lot of people, really 442 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 6: upset about these comments in the cavalier way, frankly that 443 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 6: Trump delivered them all. 444 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 2: You are one of those people bothered by. 445 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 6: This, and you wrote about it in a new piece 446 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 6: for The New York Times headlined, dyslexics are too smart 447 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 6: for Trump? 448 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 2: Explain what you mean? I do? I have to listen 449 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: to her. I mean, I'm the one who brought her up. 450 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: My youngest is dyslexic. Do I think this is the 451 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: kind of thing? Trump says? This is reminiscent of John McCain. 452 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 2: All Right, I don't like my heroes when they're captured. 453 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: What is new? They could say anything about Trump they want. 454 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 2: It's fine. Trump says, Yeah, a ridiculous thing, and it's 455 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 2: the end of civilization. And look how weepy they will become. 456 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 7: So yes, I'm dyslexic, and actually, oddly I don't think 457 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 7: about it all that much. But as many as twenty 458 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 7: percent of Americans are dyslexic, which. 459 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 2: Is a huge number. 460 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 7: I mean that those people vote and they're related to voters. 461 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 7: But no, look, it's Trump insult comic comic who's not 462 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 7: very funny. You know, he loves to disparage his opponents. 463 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 7: He'll say, you know, he has all sorts of nicknames. 464 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 7: And I think it's interesting that he went after Newsome 465 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 7: for this because it's just a very you know, it's 466 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 7: interesting because he looks very presidential. I think in his 467 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 7: in Trump's sort of you know, remember Trump is all 468 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 7: about central casting, and so here's a sort of handsome ish, 469 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 7: tall ish fellow who looks presidential in a way. 470 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 2: What is the world. I thought this was about insulting 471 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 2: people who were dyslexic, but no, this is about Trump 472 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 2: being jealous that Gavin Newsom is handsome ish. So it's 473 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: not about some commentary about dyslexia and learning disabilities. Although 474 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 2: I would argue that at first I didn't even know 475 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 2: that gavinism was dyslexic. I would just say, based on 476 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: his policies, he's got far bigger learning disabilities. That would 477 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: have been my argument, like for example, and this is 478 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 2: story number three. His whole conversation regarding what he said, 479 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 2: was it apartheid state Israel? And now is he trying 480 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: to walk it back? 481 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 5: Do you consider yourself Zionist? Do I consider myself Zionist? 482 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 5: I believe I revere the state of Israel. I'm proud 483 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 5: this is for the state of Israel. I deeply, deeply oppose, 484 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 5: maybe not in the Yahou's leadership, his opposition to the 485 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 5: two state solution, and deeply oppose how he is indulging 486 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 5: the far right as it relates to what's going on 487 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 5: in the West. 488 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 2: BacT, you called Israel in apartheid state, you called it 489 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: an apartheid state, and now you're talking about revering Israel. 490 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 2: First of all, I didn't know it asked for reverence, 491 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 2: what a what a weird thing, and that one asked about. 492 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 8: It using the word apartheid to the scribe I used it, 493 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 8: I do in this context that I said it, and 494 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 8: I referenced why I used it a Tom Friedman article 495 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 8: in that same sense where Tom used it in the 496 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 8: context of the direction that BB is going not the concerned. 497 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: Correct and sure, sure, Jan see when you won't stick 498 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 2: to your guns all right. Maybe it's not a mental disorder, 499 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 2: but it is weakness. If you hate it Israel, if 500 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 2: you think it's apartheid state, say so, say so. It's 501 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 2: by the way, not by any stretch of the imagination. 502 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 2: It's laughable ignorance, which is what you get from gavinusom 503 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 2: Oh and Tom Friedman. His day is done for sure. 504 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 2: Three things I thought you should know. This is Tony 505 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 2: kats today, the video out of LaGuardia with this Air 506 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 2: Canada Express plane and hitting the fire truck. You've seen 507 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 2: it by now. I wouldn't share it on the live stream. 508 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 2: It's just it's horrifying to watch. But the more I'm reading, 509 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm the only person who is confused. 510 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 2: Here Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be here, 511 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 2: Good to be with you. Was the truck in the 512 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 2: wrong or was the plane in the wrong? Or really 513 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 2: was this air traffic control in the wrong. Two pilots 514 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 2: were killed. The truck is crossing the runway and the 515 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 2: fire truck is kind of coming to the left, and 516 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 2: here comes the plane. And did the plane not see 517 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 2: the truck the truck not see the plane? They were 518 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 2: given both given clearance, and they should have been clearance, 519 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 2: and who was telling whom to stop, where, when and why? 520 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 2: This is the kind of stuff that we should all 521 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 2: take a breath and ask ourselves what exactly happened. Let's 522 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 2: make sure we have the story, and then we got 523 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 2: to get into serious demands. These are not mistakes that 524 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 2: are acceptable. Whether the truck should have been told to hold, 525 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 2: whether the plane should have been put on another runway 526 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 2: that it's not acceptable. You can tell me that there's 527 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 2: human error. It's a big, big runway. This should have 528 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 2: been avoided, and we should start with that. This should 529 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 2: have been avoided, and people need to be held to accounts, 530 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 2: including the secutary transportation, including those who worked at the airport, 531 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 2: including those that came before, and whether or not we've 532 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 2: got air traffic controllers who are either aren't qualified or 533 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 2: too tired because we don't have enough of them, whatever 534 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 2: the case may be. This should not have happened, answers, 535 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 2: and we need to make sure it doesn't happen again. 536 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 2: We need answers and soon. This is Tony Cats today,