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Speaker 1: So we have this shooting in Minneapolis at a Catholic school.

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Speaker 1: Two children dead, seventeen injured. At last report it was

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Speaker 1: seven at local hospitals. That number could have gone up.

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, Good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: John Justice joins me right now. A radio host on

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Speaker 1: Twin Cities News Talk AM eleven thirty FM one oh

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Speaker 1: three point five in Minneapolis, does a morning show there.

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Speaker 1: We've known each other coming up in radio for years,

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Speaker 1: and you had just gotten off the air, heard about

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Speaker 1: this story, and immediately for your local audience, preempted your programming,

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Speaker 1: got back on the air. Walk me through it. John.

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Speaker 1: We've heard from your mayor, Jacob Pray, we heard from

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Speaker 1: your police chief Brian O'Hara. Give us the latest as

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Speaker 1: you know it of what's going on there in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you'll allow me, we do have a suspect

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Speaker 2: who has been identified according to Alpha News. If you'd

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Speaker 1: We will get to that in one second. I've been

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Speaker 2: So we were in the middle of doing the show,

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Speaker 2: and almost instantly, right around eight thirty five, I began

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Speaker 2: to hear from my listeners, you know, people contacting me

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Speaker 2: And I want to stress that we had spent the show,

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Speaker 2: we had a circumstance already where law enforcement, which has

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Speaker 2: And then I began getting the reports of what we

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Speaker 2: details of this taking place at a Catholic school during

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Speaker 2: a mass, and you know, since then, you know, as

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Speaker 2: some twenty children were injured. We know for sure, at

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Speaker 2: least the last that I saw, three individuals were dead,

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of where I am right now, moving

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Speaker 1: Talking to John Justice, Minneapolis radio host on Twin Cities

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Speaker 1: News Talk, we had had the number seven in terms

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Speaker 1: was there anything from your chief Ohio there regarding security

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Speaker 2: My understanding is the latter that this was just this

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Speaker 1: We had already heard from the mayor, Jacob Pray, who

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Speaker 1: sharing this information. John Justice, radio host from Minneapolis there

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Speaker 2: So Liz Collin with without the news, she comes on

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Speaker 2: She does fantastic work, So I trust sharing this. But

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Speaker 2: multiple sources are confirming that this Robin Westman is the

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Speaker 2: It appears that Robert has Has has changed his name

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Speaker 2: and he's posted what is being shared wildly online, which

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Speaker 1: It is absolutely something that is mainstreamed and it has

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Speaker 1: showing have we seen other people posting this manifesto, which

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Speaker 2: It is this, this manifesto. I'm actually looking at it

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Speaker 2: I pulled this up from the posting from from Liz Collin. Yes,

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Speaker 2: this manifesto is absolutely attached to this Robin Westman. And

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Speaker 2: according to Liz Collins sources, and I spoke to her

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Speaker 1: So the DNC, which has happened their summer conference there,

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Speaker 2: No, I listen, I certainly will be having that conversation.

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Speaker 2: And this is an individual who in the wake of

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Speaker 2: now even more egregious in the wake of this horrific,

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Speaker 2: this serific event taking place, But no, I don't. I

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Speaker 2: don't expect a deep conversation over the background of this individual.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I expected the media here

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Speaker 1: John Justice from Twin Cities News Talk in Minneapolis. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time to be with us, much

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Speaker 1: more to get to you guys. Keep it right here.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today