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Hello, it's a sunshine day, all right. 38 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: So I don't even know how to segue into our 39 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: first topic today is I'll just hop right in, so. 40 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 4: Happy post Labor Day, gentlemen. 41 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: Thanks you. What do I get some sort of. 42 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 5: Oh? 43 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: I see, well, speaking of the fall, there's the fall 44 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: of sanity going on here in central Indiana. 45 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 4: And I kind of figured that was gonna be the 46 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 4: second one. Well, very good. 47 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: It's a trained professional, right, So this I don't know 48 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: I've ever seen this before. So Hannah Adams and who 49 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: I know her. She's very nice. I've talked to her before. 50 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: She works for CBS Ford Fox efty nine, and she 51 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: put out a tweet. I'll just read the tweet that 52 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: we don't get accused of misinterpreting what was said. 53 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: So it is an alleged. 54 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: Map of what the congressional districts could look like if 55 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: indeed the Republicans go forward in Indiana with redistricting, and 56 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: she says breaking member of the Indiana Republican Party has 57 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: given us this tentative redistricting plan. We're told several members 58 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: of the Indiana House up were given this map for 59 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: their consideration over the weekend. We're also told this map 60 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 2: did not come from the Indiana legislative leader ship. This 61 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: map would split Marion County three ways. It's unclear if 62 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: state House leaders will move forward with this specific plan. 63 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: A special session has not been called at this time. Okay, 64 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: so what you're saying is I got a map. Yes, 65 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: no one, no leaders gave us this. Man, I know 66 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: where the map came from, don't know if they're going 67 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: to use it. It didn't come from the state, but 68 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 2: a bunch of Republicans got it, and now we got it, 69 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: and now we're going to give it to you. That's 70 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 2: got a cheat sheet item. And look, I'm not trying 71 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: to dump on her or CBS four Fix eighty nine. 72 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: It's just very weird that like, right, you're right, like 73 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: that is something you would put out in the cheat 74 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: sheet where you're like, this is probably not true, but 75 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: here's something fun for you to look at. They're almost 76 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: presenting it like there's legitimacy to it, which. 77 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 4: Maybe there is. 78 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: But it was just very weird. 79 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 2: To see a television station put that out into the ether. 80 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 6: Yes with no and like I said, and I'll do fairness, 81 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 6: hand up, Hannah's good reporter doing it for a while. 82 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 6: And so I don't think they would put anything out 83 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 6: to you know, purposely, you know, mislead or misinform the public. 84 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: Which which tells you there must be some legitimacy to it. 85 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: They know who they got it from, and it isn't 86 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: like somebody anonymously send it to them. 87 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 4: It's a Gitmate says that it's a map. 88 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying they must have got it from someone 89 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 2: who they believe has good information. 90 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: But they wouldn't just put that out there. 91 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm I didn't map come from Republican from 92 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 6: Republican sources. I I don't see why it wouldn't, because 93 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 6: I don't think Democrats would do that. I do think 94 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 6: it's odd that they split up Marion kind into three 95 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 6: congressional districts and basically got rid of the basically limited 96 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 6: Andre Carson, which would just again be that horneous as 97 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 6: we've talked about for years and you for what seems 98 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 6: like years. 99 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: But they seem to content they're gonna do that if 100 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 2: they go forward, that they're gonna intend. I'm sorry that 101 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: they're gonna do this. If they go forward like they're 102 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: going for both of them, Well, if they if they 103 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: do it, it's and here's where I get cynical. And Jim, 104 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: you've done this longer than I have, So tell me. 105 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: Tell me if my cynicism is worn it they do 106 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: the maps to make the Trump people happy, and that 107 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 2: they get sued then they lose, like well we tried, 108 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: it was the judges who did it. Yeah, now now 109 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: that's just me being cynical, but you know me, I'm 110 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 2: not cynical at all. 111 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 5: Well, I think what we should do is celebrate that 112 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 5: we have content to talk about every week. 113 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: Man, every week, you know, every week there's something new 114 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: and some problems. Day. 115 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, well there will be a special session before or day. 116 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe will be the special You know, somebody sent me. 117 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 5: A screenshot America First Insight and and I don't know. 118 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 5: It's some fast growing conservative organization focused on giving you 119 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 5: American for America first insight on what's happening in Washington, DC. 120 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 5: And that may have been where the intrepid reporter from 121 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 5: Fox fifty nine got this information. But it raises a 122 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 5: lot of questions, and it really it. It hits it 123 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 5: in the political game of tennis. It hits the ball 124 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 5: back over the net or pick a ball you will. 125 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 5: But it raises a lot of questions and the future 126 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 5: of Congressman Frank Mrvan Junior, which is limited at best 127 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 5: if everything goes forward, and it raises questions about uh 128 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 5: in this in this map that you all sent me yesterday, 129 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 5: Uh it it chops up Marion County, so that uh, 130 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 5: Congressman Carson really does not have a future. Uh it 131 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:41,119 Speaker 5: it it it probably starts the Andre Carson from Mayor 132 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 5: of Indianapolis campaign. 133 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: Well that's a great point even think about that. Yeah, 134 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: it's not like he's gonna just go work at a Wendy's. 135 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 5: No, no, no, Congressman Carson is not going away. And 136 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 5: uh and it probably starts his campaign Representative Haggard, which 137 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 5: is a favorite of our our our. 138 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: Program here favored in uh in print in uh in quotes. 139 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 5: Yes, and and you know, uh, you don't have as 140 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 5: a member of Congress, you don't have to live in 141 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 5: your district. And so, uh what district is he gonna pick? 142 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: Oh? Well he got well he got drawn under this map. 143 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: By the way, real quick, let me just say this. 144 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: Nikki Kelly from The Capital Chronicle took this tweet and 145 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: then retweeted it and said, this map has been floating 146 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: around for almost a month. It was created by an 147 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: anonymous x account that has now gone private. The person 148 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: who's posted this map repeatedly for weeks. Okay, So to 149 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: answer your question, I told you, well, she. 150 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 5: Needs to be in an overlay off where everybody lives, 151 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 5: but you don't. 152 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: Have to live in yours. Moville's that's Morgan County. So 153 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: under this map, he's in district. No, he's in he's 154 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: well yeah, no, Well, because yeah, I think he is 155 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: as district. 156 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 5: And I think we all heard Jim say recently that 157 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 5: it wouldn't it be funny if Haggard, who announces for 158 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 5: Congress uh purportedly to run against him Barrett he is 159 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 5: now in Congressman Shreeve's office, who is probably the only 160 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 5: member of Congressman India that does not have to raise money. 161 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, so under this map, yeah, you're right. 162 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: I mean it's like Marion County, so chopped up as 163 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: trying to remember like where exactly Shreve was at. 164 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: But I think you're correct. 165 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 5: So I imagine I never remember of Congress now is 166 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 5: it has their own district. 167 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: Okay, but this is why people are always like the 168 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: reasons I'm against the three districting one, I don't think 169 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: the Republicans offer me anything. I'm not very excited about 170 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: two more. Jefferson Shreeves in the Congress or one more 171 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: Jefferson Shreeve like, I'm not willing to give away my 172 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: integrity or what I think government should be. I'm also 173 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: not willing to use my tax money to facilitate Republican 174 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: Party functions. Right, but like my district, which is a 175 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 2: district of which you live in, I guess i'm the 176 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: I would go into the sixth district now, which is 177 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: a new district. I'm in the fourth which there will be. 178 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 5: Two new congressmen from Indiana and the Republican Party. 179 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: Under this Under this map, half of Marion County than 180 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: Hendricks County, than Putnam County, and it snakes southwest all 181 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 2: the way down to Gibson County. Okay, no offense. I'm 182 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: nothing in common with what's going on in Gibson County, 183 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: and that's what congressional districts are supposed to be about. 184 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 5: Right, We've laid could work Kendall for Congress. 185 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 3: No, it will not be. 186 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: It'll be Kendall for this radio show until they carry 187 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: me out in either in a box or in a 188 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: pair of handcuffs. 189 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 6: Look, look, look, Robert, I think you're missing the bigger 190 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 6: picture here. The bigger picture here is if the new 191 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 6: sixth district kind of wraps around the southern end of 192 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 6: Marion County and sort of on the west end and 193 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 6: into Brownsburg. You and I are in the same congression district. 194 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: Now, oh well, how exciting that a would be. 195 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 4: I've never seen it look so excited. 196 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 5: For Congress. 197 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 4: No, it's not with a border. 198 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 5: But what's interesting about that map? Robert is like Knox. 199 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 2: County, Davies County. Nothing against these counties. I'm nothing in 200 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: common with them. 201 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 5: But we all know this was just floated out there 202 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 5: for conversation. But we don't know if there's fire behind 203 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 5: in the smoke. Hamilon County is Sparts's district, touches Allen County, 204 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 5: which is increas you know. Elbridge Jury would be so 205 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 5: happy right now. 206 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 6: He's the guy, that guy from my mother in law's 207 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 6: house in Noblesville to my when my father, my father 208 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 6: I used to live in and the Ford Wayne and 209 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 6: still be in the same congression district. 210 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 4: It's exactly right, I mean, like they're like like this, 211 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 4: Like you're right. 212 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 2: Hamilton County is basically like a reverse L where it 213 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: goes sideways Madison, Henry all the way to the state border. 214 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: Wayne up to Randolph. Here's the point on all of 215 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: this though, up into part of Allen County. Actually that's 216 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: how high up it goes. Yeah, here's the point in 217 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: all this though. There's no way there whether this map 218 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 2: is legitimate or not, there's no way they're going to 219 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: be able to draw a map that isn't somewhat similarly 220 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: goofy to this map, because you got it, especially it, 221 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: especially if you're going to try to take out ondregards. 222 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 5: What they are trying to do is dilute the Lake 223 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 5: County Democrats and shift that down south and also dilute 224 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 5: or take apart Carson's off really Marion County. Uh and 225 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 5: no one disapproved of this in the twenty one legislature, 226 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 5: no lawsuits that you you you combined everything into Marion 227 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 5: County and Andre Carson had a solid Democrat district. 228 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 4: I'll tell you. 229 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 6: I'll say that a four letter word in the room 230 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 6: here when Jim says Lake County Democrats and a Maria 231 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 6: County Democrats, that's really code word for you know, we 232 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 6: know exactly on top of its black post votes is 233 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 6: what it is. Because who is a majority of like 234 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 6: for Firston's voters, it's African Americans who with the seventh 235 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 6: districts African Americans. You cannot draw maps like this without 236 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 6: about admitting or least acknowledging the potential of Voter Rights 237 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 6: Act lawsuits and race being part of it. 238 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: Okay, so you on the Indie politics dot Org you 239 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 2: laid out how the whole thing might go down, right, 240 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: you did some legitimate work for like, how ay I did? 241 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, somebody did on your behalf or something did 242 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: on your behalf. Me I was the architect, AI was 243 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: the builder. 244 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 4: Oh very good. 245 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: So how would let's just say they go with something 246 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: similar to this or something similarly ridiculous as this. How 247 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: what would happen next? 248 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 4: Well, what I did was. 249 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 6: I was just sitting there minding my own business one 250 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 6: day in the backyard. I was, okay, you know what 251 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 6: if let's say Republicans did do did draw new maps, 252 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 6: obviously a lawsuit would be filed. So what would that 253 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 6: lossuit look like? So I just been put in the 254 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 6: parameters and here's what the maps, here's what the losses 255 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 6: look like, and like, hey, well know what, let's just 256 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 6: do the lawsuit. Let's do what this what the saint's 257 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 6: response would be? So we also craft the Saints response like, oh, 258 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 6: let's go the full forty five. How would a judge 259 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 6: probably rule? And I made it perfectly clear, this is 260 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 6: all just a scenario. This, this is not legit, This 261 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 6: is not real. There's just something that came on the 262 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 6: back of my mind. And it turns out Republicans would sue, 263 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 6: but they would lose, uh, basically because it's it's finally 264 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 6: in the Voting Rights Act, is what it would do. 265 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: So you mean you mean a Democrat or Democratic line 266 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: group would sue and they would win. Yes, yeah, okay, 267 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: very good. So you like you actually think they could 268 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: win when under this because because there's there's a there's 269 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: a Louisiana case in front of the Supreme Court right now. 270 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 2: I would tend to agree with you right now, but 271 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: there's a Louisiana case in front of the Supreme Court 272 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: that would basically end the Voting Rights Act if it 273 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: is you know, I can't remember it's struct it. They 274 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 2: would be approving the Louisiana maps. So there's so many 275 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 2: moving parts right now, But the point is Voting Rights 276 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: Act or whatever, this is stupid and this is the 277 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 2: sort of thing they're wasting all this time on not 278 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: property taxes, not utility bills, not gas taxes, none of 279 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. 280 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 6: It's it's this and then another words making people mad well. 281 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 6: I spend hundreds of thousand dollars to basically buy a lawsuit. 282 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: And and Braun really stepped in it a couple of 283 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: weeks ago and he's like, it'll cost one hundred and 284 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: fifty thousand, and then he came out on Hammer and 285 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: Nigel last week. I was like, yeah, okay, maybe'll be 286 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: two hundred fifty or three hundred and fifty and once 287 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: they were like, that's gonna be like at least a 288 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: half a million that he. 289 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 4: Doesn't even know, and he doesn't I don't think. 290 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 5: I don't think anybody knows how much is it going 291 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 5: to cost? Because the ensuing legal costs, you know, the 292 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 5: whole issue is or do we actually have the money 293 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 5: to spend in Abdul when there is a When there 294 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 5: is they let's just say they do redraw their maps, 295 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 5: there'll be a lawsuit that will be filed. Is that 296 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 5: in federal court? And what federal court is that? And 297 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 5: where do we go? 298 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 6: That would either be in the northern or southern district 299 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 6: Indana Federal Court District. So either you know up north 300 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 6: or here in probably here in Indianapolis is where what happened, 301 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 6: right right on the corner on Ohio Street. 302 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: You know where we went, uh or what's his faces exactly? 303 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 5: And so just fallowing the balancing ball on that what 304 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 5: kind of time frames. It's because you look at. 305 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 6: It, well they file uh, then the then the state 306 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 6: would have so many tight stays respond. But I can 307 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 6: also see I want to say, in the in the 308 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 6: scenario I drew out, the defendants asked for an injunction 309 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 6: or no, the plans asked for an injunction, basically stop 310 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 6: everything from going. 311 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because part of what they would look at 312 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: I would think, I don't know, you're a lawyer, I'm 313 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: not would be the intent of what people were trying 314 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: to do. And it's one thing to draw, you know, 315 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: take all the public input like they did the last time, 316 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: come with the map, and then somebody says no, no, 317 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: I think that's unfair. 318 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: But they're very clear here. 319 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: We're just I mean, Andrew Ireland was on our show 320 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: State rep and at Kendle in case show and he 321 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: just said no. Totally political, I'll say it out loud. 322 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: I want to do it for politics. Well, the judge 323 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: is going to factor that in. Right, you tried to 324 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: screw these people and you screwed up, and we're not 325 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: gonna let this go forward. Like we're not gonna let 326 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: you enact the political You can, you can jerrymander for 327 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: political reasons. Actually that's that's considered. Fine, that's what Jerry 328 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: mandarin is. Question right, But you can't do it to 329 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: to disenfranchise black voter. 330 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 3: That's my point. 331 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 4: They know what there. 332 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: It's not like somebody just made a mistake or reasonable 333 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: people can disagree. We know what you're doing here. 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I'm 371 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 2: gonna get to get your guys reaction on if this 372 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 2: is something or this is nothing or just a weird 373 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: from earning to remember these people. So, there is a 374 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: new group who has been formed. It's called Independent Indiana 375 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 2: and their whole goal is to try to get independent candidates, 376 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: non part people not declaring Republican or Democrat affiliation elected 377 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 2: to public office in the state of Indiana. And well, 378 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 2: I certainly think that's a great idea. I think that's 379 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 2: so much easier said than done. And in a world 380 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 2: where everybody's looking for dollars, I'm not sure how this 381 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 2: is going to go over merit. 382 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 5: What say you, It's a noble effort, but you put 383 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 5: your thumb on it. It's all about money. It's always 384 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 5: comes back to money on all issues in politics. And 385 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 5: we've seen libertarians who can be a little crazy, but 386 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 5: we've seen you know, independent parties and efforts and people 387 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 5: that have come through and they just can't get any 388 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 5: traction whatsoever. And it just it if we know who 389 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 5: the donors are and we know how much money they have, 390 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 5: and and can they stick with it for the next 391 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 5: five years, maybe five or six years from now possibly, 392 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 5: but it's just very difficult to kind of walk that 393 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 5: guy wire of independence. 394 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 6: Actually, I think and fundamentally Jim I greathrough. I think 395 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 6: this time actually may be a little different because if 396 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 6: you look at the so the tony atmosphere of our 397 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 6: politics today, particularly here in Indiana, like my good friend 398 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 6: Robert Kendall Hill, who was used to be like no 399 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 6: stnge Republican, now says, I'm basically done with these people. 400 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 6: You got folks on the Democrats side, like now, you 401 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 6: used to be a strong Democrat and I'm done with 402 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 6: these people. So they may be actually tapping in however, 403 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 6: for voting purposes, Republican in good standing, Yes you are, 404 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 6: that's the problem. 405 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right, that is the problem. 406 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 5: And as well as the fact that there is still 407 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 5: a bedrock Republican party, there's still is bedrock Democrat party. 408 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 5: And for all practical pursons purposes, there are a lot 409 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 5: of people that just don't care about politics and government anymore. 410 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 6: Because they they realize that it's an insider's game. The 411 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 6: system's rigged, has all been fixed. It's Donald Trump and 412 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 6: Bertie Sanders all over again, is what it is. Yeah, well, 413 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 6: oh yeah, okay, So that's an interesting point. And there's 414 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 6: an interesting stat in this story, and that is they 415 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 6: go through what it would cost and indep so Libertarians 416 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 6: have ballid access. Now they don't do primaries, they nominate convention, 417 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 6: but they have state wide ballot access. The Republicans obviously 418 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 6: state wide ballid access. The Democrats have state wide ballot access. 419 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 6: Independence who not. 420 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: So they got to go through the signature requirement and 421 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: they laid out in the Capitol Chronicle article what would 422 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 2: cost to run for state wide off of say governor 423 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: as an independent, and they did a you know, this 424 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: is not an exact science, but they said Basically, you 425 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 2: got to get about thirty seven thousand signatures and most 426 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: paid there are people who do this for a living. 427 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: They'll go get signatures for you. Most paid people charge 428 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: about fifteen dollars per signature. That means you'd have to 429 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 2: spend seven hundred grand if you did it through the pros, 430 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: which you really do need to try to do it 431 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: through the pros because so many of the signatures will 432 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 2: get tossed out if you don't have people who know 433 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 2: what they're doing. Doesn't mean you can't, obviously, but seven 434 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: hundred grand is to get on the ballot. That's a 435 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: ton of tv ads. You're not going to be able 436 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: to run that the Republicans and Democrats are because you 437 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: guys spend all this money just to get on the ballot. 438 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 6: But I think that once again, though, the nature and 439 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 6: the political environment has changed so much that do I 440 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 6: any TV ads to run into war or can I 441 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 6: just do targeted ads on because everybody's on their phone. 442 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 6: I do target ads on your telephone in your particular district, 443 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 6: in your particular area. So I think I think that 444 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 6: the nature of the warfare has changed to make it 445 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 6: more palatble for an independent to get on the ballot 446 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 6: state Why it's still still it uphill. 447 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 5: That's a lot of crowdsourcing. And you know, when Elon 448 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 5: Musk made his dramatic exit from from trumpworl if you will, 449 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 5: he vowed that he was going to start another party, 450 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 5: and we saw about two weeks a month ago or 451 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 5: so that he is ceasing efforts. And he really likes 452 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 5: jd Vance and so knowing the billions of dollars that 453 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 5: he could put into it, and he wouldn't and he 454 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 5: wouldn't necessarily pick Indiana, but Indiana would be a good 455 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 5: place to pick if he wanted to start this nascent 456 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 5: you know, effort. It would be very difficult to start 457 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 5: another party in Indiana or anywhere else. And it's just 458 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 5: it's hard to get bat access, it's hard to get 459 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 5: people's attention. And you know, you saw it in your 460 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 5: mayor run. In my mayor run in twenty nineteen, I 461 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 5: spent one hundred and four twenty thousand dollars on digital 462 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 5: advertising and it didn't move the needle one bit. Now 463 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 5: that was six years ago. Maybe it's changed some, but 464 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 5: target advertising, we haven't really seen a candidate succeed in 465 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 5: target advertising yet Barack Obama. 466 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: What there wasn't even there was barely social media when 467 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 2: Barack Obama ran a duel, they were still they were targeting. 468 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: It wasn't what he's talking about. Okay, yeah, and you 469 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: need a dude, right because if you and the with money, well, 470 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: when you've had a dude like Jesse Ventura in Minnesota 471 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: or Ross Parro when he ran for president, the problem 472 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: is you can't spin that then into some sort of movement. 473 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 3: Right. It's always them and they get elected. 474 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: But there's never hey, now we're getting all these state 475 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: house people, or now we're getting these congress people. It's 476 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 2: always like one person that everybody can kind of get 477 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: behind their named person or in the case of Ross 478 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: Proo had a good jillion dollars, but it never it's 479 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 2: so hard without the party structure to organize that maybe 480 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 2: you get locked. 481 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 5: The Publican party is going to struggle in twenty twenty 482 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 5: six because Trump is not on the ballot. 483 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 3: The Democrats are crazy people, Jim. 484 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 5: They are crazy people. But people revert back to you 485 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 5: know what, they're their their their rock. 486 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 6: And here and here's something else to think about too, 487 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 6: is let's say there's a billionaire Democrat out there, because 488 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 6: it's not just Republican billionaires like, hey, you know what, 489 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 6: there are a lot of a lot of Democrats. 490 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 4: I about we do this. 491 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 6: How about we spend the seven ye thousand dollars to 492 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 6: pu an independent candidate on the ballot. 493 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 5: Uh Republican. 494 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. That's why I love this man. 495 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 6: Like my brother, I'll invested seven and grand to create 496 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 6: an independent party, get independence on the ballot. Will they win, No, 497 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 6: but they'll delude. Take enough of those enough of those 498 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 6: disenfranchised take off. Republicans knocked out because of other will 499 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 6: stay like you said, they'll stay home. They're mad, they're 500 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 6: ticked off. It gives an opening for Democrats in the 501 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 6: sixty to forty state. 502 00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 4: We gotta move that. You have to move the needle 503 00:24:59,600 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 4: all that much. 504 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 5: It's back to the bull Moose party of ten years. 505 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So everybody, everybody is putting all their hopes 506 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: on the Democrat side in Evan Bye's son Bo Bye, 507 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: and everybody nobody knows is well. Okay, So let's talk 508 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: about that real quick, because that's interesting to me that 509 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 2: so bo Evan By, former governor of Indiana, former miss 510 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 2: last election with you senator. He was a senator, Jim, 511 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: We'll get to the bad part. Hold on, he was 512 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 2: a senator after that, his old man was a famous 513 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 2: senator Birch Bye. 514 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: And then you're right, Jim. 515 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 2: He I think spent some years as a lobbyist or 516 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 2: whatever he was after he stopped running and being a senator, 517 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 2: and then in twenty sixteen tried to make a comeback 518 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: and he didn't run a great campaign. They beat the 519 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 2: hell out of him over not living here and Todd 520 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: Young won that race, and what I think a lot 521 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: of people viewed as sort of an upset, although not 522 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 2: really when you look at the tenth of the state, right, 523 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 2: but but it was viewed at the time as an upset. 524 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: And now his son Bo, who has spent time as 525 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 2: a as a what I believe he's in the military 526 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 2: for a while and then was a clerk for a 527 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: federal judge. He is now done with that and is 528 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 2: started the speaker circuit for Democrats. He's been doing podcast 529 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 2: interviews and now as guessing what he's going to run 530 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 2: for in the big rumor is that he may run 531 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: for Secretary of State against Diego Morales next year, and 532 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 2: everybody start up penning their hopes on Bobo, who, by 533 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 2: the way, is twenty nine years old. They're pending your 534 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 2: entire party. I mean, I'm not saying he seems like 535 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: a very nice guy, but the Democrats in the state 536 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 2: have major structural problems. Then in a close race, they're 537 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: not gonna be able to lift him over the finish line. 538 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: I just think it's interesting that this is the whole 539 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 2: hopes now been on this gay one running. He may 540 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 2: go on these speakers ricans and go, y'all are nuts, 541 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: No thanks, I'm going to make some money. But it's 542 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 2: a very interesting time for the Democrats, it is. 543 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 6: And also in the sense too it's no it's what's 544 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 6: old is new all over again. Because what was Evan 545 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 6: By's first job in state government? It was six Secretary 546 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 6: sec State and I want to say was a youngest 547 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 6: secretary of State on thirty one, early thirties. So there 548 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 6: there there, There is a pattern here. And you also 549 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 6: got a number two who's he rented against. 550 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 2: Well, that would be why he would pull the trigger 551 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: is because while Daniel Elliott and Alisa Shall, unless they 552 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 2: do something weird, are probably shoe ins. 553 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 4: Diego is. 554 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 2: I mean, if any they were ever going to get 555 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 2: a Republican, it would be Diego. And I don't think 556 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 2: there's gonna be a ton of people eager to save Diego. 557 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 5: Now. 558 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 2: They may try because they don't want a Democrat to 559 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 2: have that office, but if you're ever going to strike, 560 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 2: now would be the time. 561 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 6: And another thing to just keep in mind is Nestie Wells, 562 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 6: for all her faults, is not evan by and because 563 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 6: not bir not not not not by, not by the third. 564 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 6: Because here's the thing. 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