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Speaker 1: per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Can it be in chareed with uh Nick, Spike, Mike,
Speaker 2: Nay and Rod. What up y'all? Yeah? What's up? Okay?
Speaker 1: Uh Hey, we're here to discuss the uh mini episode
Speaker 1: one shot something about the bear is Gary?
Speaker 2: The bear episode which is one hour. The bear is
Speaker 2: on a cartoon.
Speaker 3: I watched that.
Speaker 1: Watch that, No, man, Gary, am I supposed to say
Speaker 1: Gary parentheses the bear episode?
Speaker 2: I think he said Gary. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Anyway, but yeah, it's uh It's beastly a one hour
Speaker 1: show about uh Rich and Michael is the name Michael
Speaker 1: spending time in in the hood in Gary, Indiana.
Speaker 2: They say, they say it's rough up this bit, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, But anyway, real quick, before we get into
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Speaker 1: what did you guys think about this episode? I guess
Speaker 1: I'll start with you Nick thoughts about spending two hours
Speaker 1: with a well an hour with them on this mission.
Speaker 4: I thought it was I thought it was cool. I
Speaker 4: didn't think it was anything to spectacular. I thought we
Speaker 4: got a really good scene towards the end, but it
Speaker 4: just felt like a something that I think the audience
Speaker 4: probably wish they that they asked for it, But then
Speaker 4: when you see it, it's like, I don't think I
Speaker 4: really needed this. At least that's about my takeaway from it.
Speaker 4: They keep on you going back to this Mikey world
Speaker 4: too much.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, Mike, you're making a face. Why why are you
Speaker 2: making a face? Because, I mean, that's what the show is.
Speaker 2: I don't know that they can do the show without
Speaker 2: their being a Mikey well. But yeah, I like this episode.
Speaker 2: I mean, did we need it? I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know, because I don't know how any of this
Speaker 2: is going to fit in with the rest of the
Speaker 2: final season. But yeah, for not having The Bear for
Speaker 2: a while and this being what they threw about us,
Speaker 2: it was fine, Spike. It's kind of a cheeko having
Speaker 2: these two actors in an episode. Usually that doesn't seem
Speaker 2: like it means anything, but they're so good and like,
Speaker 2: I want to see them, Like, I don't even funk
Speaker 2: they're doing whatever they're doing in Gear. I want to
Speaker 2: see these two actors doing their thing.
Speaker 5: So I think it's kind of a cheek hole for
Speaker 5: them to drop this on us, and it really have
Speaker 5: no significance to the story of this point other than
Speaker 5: giving us backstory. However, I do think that this story
Speaker 5: is so well told in the world of The Bear
Speaker 5: that this is going to come into play at some
Speaker 5: point during the season. This is going to be something
Speaker 5: big in one of the episodes, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 5: that episode called Henry made so much sense now because
Speaker 5: I'm seeing this in this last episode of The Bear.
Speaker 5: So that's my expectation of this. So I can look
Speaker 5: at this and be like, it's cool. It's cool one off. However,
Speaker 5: I do think there's something significant that's going to come from.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's said to be like a precursor to the
Speaker 6: to the next season.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's definitely supposed to be like some sort of.
Speaker 6: Jail that that that you that you get to bring
Speaker 6: this uh this final I don't know if it's the
Speaker 6: final season together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, last season.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's supposed to be like right
Speaker 6: at that uh that moment, So they should pick up
Speaker 6: what this leaves off?
Speaker 2: What did y'all like it? Did you like it? Oh?
Speaker 6: I'm sorry that leaves off he's saying.
Speaker 2: I think he's saying that the way the episode ended, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the way it ended, that's that's what's supposed to
Speaker 6: lead into the next season. So I feel like, you
Speaker 6: need it's gonna be a reason that they showed us
Speaker 6: all that that it's gonna help support next season.
Speaker 3: With that said, I do I like that. I like that.
Speaker 3: That's that's clever, you know what I'm saying. I thought
Speaker 3: it was clever.
Speaker 6: But but I'm kind of like with with with Nick,
Speaker 6: it's like and at first, like you know what the
Speaker 6: first stuff he was saying about Oh York about it's
Speaker 6: like one of those things that you think you wanted
Speaker 6: until you see type of thing.
Speaker 3: And then what did you said?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like it's like a because like you always
Speaker 4: seen Mikey and Richie and like bits and pieces, and like, man,
Speaker 4: what if they just got a full episode of these
Speaker 4: two together be a really good episode And then when
Speaker 4: you see it's like, oh, that was just.
Speaker 3: It was a lot.
Speaker 6: It was a lot, you know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 6: was a lot. Like I could have did like thirty
Speaker 6: minutes of this. I didn't need like a whole hour.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I disagree.
Speaker 3: I think that thirty minutes.
Speaker 7: They gave me thirty minutes of a lot, and then
Speaker 7: the last thirty minutes was all the drama that I needed.
Speaker 7: And I feel like it was a really good way too,
Speaker 7: because Mikey's been such a big part of the season
Speaker 7: without being in the season, without being a live character there,
Speaker 7: so I think being able to kind of see some
Speaker 7: of the what.
Speaker 8: He was dealing with personally was really good.
Speaker 7: Seeing the two characters bounce off of each other was
Speaker 7: really good, and I think it helps you to even
Speaker 7: further understand where all of these characters are in present day.
Speaker 7: And then and then you have whatever this is gonna
Speaker 7: weave into for the next season.
Speaker 2: I feel like this.
Speaker 8: Gary trip has been referenced in I think it was
Speaker 8: referenced in.
Speaker 7: The last season or like maybe the last few episodes
Speaker 7: of last season.
Speaker 8: So I was like, I think the I think.
Speaker 7: It was an interesting way to weak what's happened to
Speaker 7: What's gonna happen And it was for me a good
Speaker 7: teaser to the next season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I thought it was fine.
Speaker 1: I you know, I think the way it ended is,
Speaker 1: you know, seeing them kind of go back and forth
Speaker 1: with you know, Mikey kind of losing it. But but
Speaker 1: overall I thought it was fine. I think halfway through
Speaker 1: them like, all right, like, what what is the purpose
Speaker 1: of this?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: I think we're in a space right now and uh,
Speaker 1: and we've been here for a minute where it's all
Speaker 1: about worlds and and building and creating other content around
Speaker 1: the world. It's like power, Like everybody wants to do
Speaker 1: this whole power thing or walking dead thing now where
Speaker 1: we have these characters and they're going to tell these
Speaker 1: stories inside of inside of a series, and then we
Speaker 1: can branch that out and put something else out to
Speaker 1: keep something alive. And I think when you have two
Speaker 1: actors like John Burnhal and Evan mass Boker it, you know,
Speaker 1: and having them kind of play off one another throughout
Speaker 1: the episode, I think, you know, they're good enough to
Speaker 1: kind of see their chemistry and camaraderie on the screen,
Speaker 1: you know. But it's a story impactful enough to make
Speaker 1: it matter and we'll find out when you know. The
Speaker 1: season kind of starts next year, well in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks.
Speaker 5: But I think, I think to your point in building worlds,
Speaker 5: can that's what this is a test case of. Of course,
Speaker 5: the guy that plays a bear with Jeremy Allen Wright
Speaker 5: is that his name, Like, I think he's moved on
Speaker 5: to another spectrum and I'm going to do movies. I'm
Speaker 5: trying to turn into this Hollywood superstar. But the guy
Speaker 5: in this not our main guy, Gillen, whatever his name is.
Speaker 5: But the other guy, the cousin. They're looking at him
Speaker 5: like Richie, like there could be something here in the
Speaker 5: world of the Bear as to where we explore his
Speaker 5: life more, his previous life, more how he got to
Speaker 5: be in Richie, a prequel, whatever it may be.
Speaker 2: I think this is a test for that.
Speaker 5: And they use a great actor like they have with
Speaker 5: the brother that they have in this, and then they
Speaker 5: try to test it and see, Okay, well are people
Speaker 5: going to be responsive with this? I think that there
Speaker 5: could be a spin off with the cousin and him
Speaker 5: doing his whole thing in the world of the Bear.
Speaker 5: I didn't see people want to see it, Mike, But
Speaker 5: I think they tested this, they testing the trial.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's no. I disagree with you.
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's a test for it for Richie,
Speaker 1: but I think it's it's a way to get more
Speaker 1: out of John Berenhal of anything, because he's such a
Speaker 1: good actor and you know, you can like when he's
Speaker 1: on the screen, he kind of steals the moment from
Speaker 1: a lot of people. So it's like, now since he's
Speaker 1: kind of been written in and out, we get a
Speaker 1: chance to kind of do more with him. But where
Speaker 1: do you guys, like, what did you guys think about
Speaker 1: seeing this version of Richie in twenty nineteen, before the
Speaker 1: birth of his baby.
Speaker 2: He's happily married.
Speaker 1: Did you guys kind of buy into him being like
Speaker 1: this happy, go lucky, sort of carefree dude.
Speaker 2: I did? I feel like.
Speaker 4: He kind of he's always been on this path that
Speaker 4: we finally saw in like the last couple of seasons
Speaker 4: of The Bear where it's like he's been trying to mature,
Speaker 4: trying to grow up, but he's still kind of is
Speaker 4: working the kinks on that. And I think think this
Speaker 4: was the first kind of like first episode where we
Speaker 4: see the beginning of that, because he's about to have
Speaker 4: a kid, like you mentioned, and he knows he needs
Speaker 4: to grow up. He's trying to be back by five
Speaker 4: thirty and shit, like he's just trying to make sure
Speaker 4: that five fifteen year and he's just trying to make
Speaker 4: sure that he's like on top of his shit, but
Speaker 4: he still he still wants to hang with the homies.
Speaker 4: And I think this was the episode, at least for me,
Speaker 4: it's like, this is what happens when you know you
Speaker 4: outgrow a situation, where you outgrow a person, and I
Speaker 4: think he didn't realize that until this moment. Maybe reflecting
Speaker 4: on it later on, was like, damn, that's when I
Speaker 4: outgrew him because he was still looking at out John Mike.
Speaker 2: Because Mikey was.
Speaker 4: Still like trying to say he ain't shit, he ain't
Speaker 4: doing it, and he's like, I'm bigger than I'm better
Speaker 4: than that.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do more.
Speaker 4: And then like that really hurt him because you saw
Speaker 4: the story that he said about him, or like how
Speaker 4: much he meant to him in his life, and he's like,
Speaker 4: this is a guy that says this about me. This
Speaker 4: means that I'm probably not I'm feeling different about this guy,
Speaker 4: this relationship all in all together, even throughout the CD,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So it's just like, I
Speaker 4: feel like this was the beginning of his maturation that
Speaker 4: we saw throughout the series.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it seemed like he was still like
Speaker 1: that guy and he was I think, you know, you're
Speaker 1: saying him hanging with the homies, I think even his
Speaker 1: whole five to fifteen thing, like he was adamant about that.
Speaker 1: But also it's just like he also forgot about it too.
Speaker 1: When he got into this bar full of women and
Speaker 1: exchanging and telling these stories and playing these games like
Speaker 1: that shit.
Speaker 2: You know, it.
Speaker 1: Reminded him to a certain degree he was hanging on
Speaker 1: to a life that he really enjoyed, and he was
Speaker 1: reluctant to let go, and he was being forced to
Speaker 1: let go.
Speaker 2: But he was having himself a blast.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that's the spark of it. This is
Speaker 4: like rogue one for his journey is like this is
Speaker 4: this is where we see the beginning of all this shit.
Speaker 1: I think that he was forced to become that person
Speaker 1: because of the events of what happened here and everything,
Speaker 1: and what happened to Mikey.
Speaker 2: I think if Mikey was still alive, I think he
Speaker 2: still probably would have been this. I disagree with that,
Speaker 2: but now I want to get I just.
Speaker 8: Had a question. Was he lying to his wife about
Speaker 8: what he was doing?
Speaker 7: Yes, okay, that's what what Yeah, he felt because he
Speaker 7: was saying that they were having meetings and all this
Speaker 7: kind of stuff, as if he was doing and more
Speaker 7: than just running a moon box or whatever it is
Speaker 7: that they was transporting uh to Gary.
Speaker 2: But he was it.
Speaker 7: Was something illegal, right, they was look at it was.
Speaker 2: I thought he was just dropping off gears a sealed package.
Speaker 2: That was it was a meeting. Still, I don't know
Speaker 2: why y'all playing guy.
Speaker 5: He was just trying to make it seem like something legit,
Speaker 5: because this is my pregnant girlfriend and she expects more
Speaker 5: than going to Gary, Indiana and dropping off packages that
Speaker 5: are sealed and I don't know about what they got
Speaker 5: to do with.
Speaker 2: Yes, he fact.
Speaker 7: When you talk about him growing or outgrowing Baron Fall's
Speaker 7: character when we talk about him, but the man he became,
Speaker 7: I don't think he was anywhere near the richie that
Speaker 7: we know at the end.
Speaker 3: Of the last season. Yet, right, I think this.
Speaker 7: Is like the start of him, Like this is the
Speaker 7: start of things unrattling, so he can become that.
Speaker 8: But I think this is a prime exit. This, this
Speaker 8: whole episode is.
Speaker 7: An example of why his ship failed with his wife
Speaker 7: to begin with, because you're you're still running with y'all,
Speaker 7: y'all doing in illegal stuff, You're lying to your wife
Speaker 7: about it, you're promising to be back at the time
Speaker 7: that you can't be back. You missed it, like I
Speaker 7: don't remember, Yeah, d you missed the birth of your child.
Speaker 7: Like it's so much foolishness that he's getting involved in
Speaker 7: because of who he is as well as who Mikey is.
Speaker 7: So I just think that this episode is like showing
Speaker 7: how much of a cluster they both are.
Speaker 5: And it shows him that he still idolizes that character
Speaker 5: that John Bereenthal plays that's the biggest thing in his
Speaker 5: world to him, and the point that he's willing to
Speaker 5: lie to his wife, he's willing to do all these
Speaker 5: illegal things, go on his trip, all these things, knowing
Speaker 5: he got a baby on the web. It's just because
Speaker 5: he idolizes him this much. I don't think that it
Speaker 5: gets close to the character, like you said, Nick, in
Speaker 5: the sense of him making a transition, but it does
Speaker 5: show us why he's there, Like we've thought all this
Speaker 5: time as to the point if he's sticking around, he's
Speaker 5: being a cousin.
Speaker 2: He's letting the baron talk to him like he talks
Speaker 2: to him.
Speaker 5: But it's because he idolizes this dude so much and
Speaker 5: he's willing to sacrifice so much for him. I don't
Speaker 5: think that we really got that transitions out of this
Speaker 5: character that Richie plays into the Forks episode when he's
Speaker 5: there doing the work with the other restaurant.
Speaker 2: Well, they do a lot, you know.
Speaker 1: We've seen him going on a mirroad of different adventures
Speaker 1: out that some hot doll restaurant and talk with the
Speaker 1: owner and stuff like that, which I don't even I
Speaker 1: think that was a real spot because she didn't seem
Speaker 1: like she was acting good at all. Yeah, so, but uh,
Speaker 1: but Mike, what was your favorite out of all the
Speaker 1: earlier parts of the adventure, the first thirty minutes or so,
Speaker 1: what was your favorite part out of all that.
Speaker 2: One? Well, I want to go back to answer the
Speaker 2: other question real quick, but no, I just wanted to
Speaker 2: kind of respond to Spikes part because I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure where the thing about him being so
Speaker 2: obsessed with Mikey that he would do illegal stuff, as
Speaker 2: if he wouldn't just do illegal stuff because he's a
Speaker 2: fuck off. Because to me he had the gun in
Speaker 2: the house. I don't and I haven't. I haven't rewatched
Speaker 2: the Bear in a Wild Spike, so maybe you have recently,
Speaker 2: but I don't remember them ever really implying that Richie
Speaker 2: was just like a normal, you know, uh, goodie two
Speaker 2: shoes kind of dude. Maybe he's a fucking jerk off,
Speaker 2: just like he's being in this episode, and he just
Speaker 2: happens to be a jerk off with Mikey. They were
Speaker 2: both jerk offs. That's why Mike went and picked him up,
Speaker 2: and they would and did all this dumb ass you know,
Speaker 2: deliver this sealed package type shit.
Speaker 5: You're right, here's a jerk off. I do agree with
Speaker 5: you there. However, I think that there's this, and I
Speaker 5: may be wrong. I ain't saying I am, but there's
Speaker 5: this thing throughout the series as to what he looks
Speaker 5: up to Mikey. Yeah, sure like, and he looks at
Speaker 5: him as this figure as to where I have to
Speaker 5: please him and do all of these things right in
Speaker 5: his presence.
Speaker 2: And that's what I was speaking to in that sence. Okay, Right,
Speaker 2: did you like the basketball stuff? No? I mean, well,
Speaker 2: I want, I wanted to because I love I mean,
Speaker 2: I love me some John burnhal. I'm just waiting for
Speaker 2: him to disappoint me. Like there's a video of him
Speaker 2: saying nigger or something. I might I might still think
Speaker 2: it's okay, honestly, but he was on your list of
Speaker 2: okay white man. I was just thinking that Nick, he
Speaker 2: kind of is on my list of the white dudes
Speaker 2: that could say it. And I wouldn't be that mad.
Speaker 2: But you got to do the context. Yeah, what you disagree? Agree?
Speaker 3: Know, I'm agree.
Speaker 8: I'm like, I think he might get a pass.
Speaker 2: He can say, he can say negro, he can't say no.
Speaker 5: He on that cary if I seen it, if I
Speaker 5: seen him hooping and it slipped out one time.
Speaker 2: He might be all right. It might be.
Speaker 1: Were recording the basketball things ed out that come out
Speaker 1: one time.
Speaker 2: It's fine. Yeah, was filing man. At least he was
Speaker 2: like just wrapping like words to like a rap song
Speaker 2: and he said the N word.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I mean, you know, deal he was
Speaker 1: listening to, uh some hip hop?
Speaker 2: Was it a tang? He definitely loves mutang. Oh, he
Speaker 2: loves He definitely loves me. But I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: I mean he was being a little aggressive on the
Speaker 2: court and it felt weird, but it wasn't a bad scene.
Speaker 2: It was fine. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: The court.
Speaker 6: I don't really like the court scene like that, honestly,
Speaker 6: that you could they could have left that out a
Speaker 6: little more.
Speaker 2: It did. It did feel a little forced because they
Speaker 2: because of Richie. It because Richie. It didn't feel forced
Speaker 2: to me because of Minkey. Because they won. When you
Speaker 2: think them too motherfuckers baseball. Yeah yeah, I think John
Speaker 2: burn By himself that smoked all of it, himsel.
Speaker 5: That's why I feel forced because they won, like they
Speaker 5: them two black dudes were supposed.
Speaker 2: To beat the ship out of there. You crazy, You
Speaker 2: crazy John. They had Jean Zone. I don't care to me.
Speaker 2: This is J. B.
Speaker 1: Spike.
Speaker 4: That motherfucker man you put up to the court and
Speaker 4: jeans is you are bad mother if you if you
Speaker 4: lose to a basketball game to a nigga named Ebon, I.
Speaker 1: Was surprised when he was like, man, shut your bitch
Speaker 1: ass up, like they really took a lot of Yeah,
Speaker 1: they took a lot of ship for them to be
Speaker 1: locals and for some strange white men up like that
Speaker 1: even though they were.
Speaker 2: Drinkish. I did. That wouldn't have been good for those
Speaker 2: little young brothers though, because burn thought would handle them.
Speaker 2: That's the punisher. Y'all know what y'all talk about. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's shame. Yeah, come on, now, that is shame.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they did that. You know, they were trying
Speaker 2: to come up with names for the baby. Uh you
Speaker 2: know you like that scene or something. Rock No, I
Speaker 2: didn't like that.
Speaker 3: And I didn't like that.
Speaker 2: Okay, damn you like that.
Speaker 1: You talk like that, right, I didn't think anybody would
Speaker 1: like it, So I was just gonna move on.
Speaker 2: But what do you like about it? Rock No?
Speaker 3: I like. I like when shows and things do that.
Speaker 6: Man, when they showed like these little nuggets on how
Speaker 6: something something came about or whatever.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I like that they showed that particular part.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: Okay, what about so there's this whole sign and then
Speaker 1: they spend you know, after we see him on these
Speaker 1: adventures on the road or whatever, playing basketball, talking to
Speaker 1: this hot dog owner or whatever. Then they go to
Speaker 1: this he has his sogn and he gets out the
Speaker 1: car and then they go in this bar. Thoughts on
Speaker 1: the bar scene, because it seemed like they've been running
Speaker 1: this sort of like con owned woman at places for
Speaker 1: a while, with him being a backup goalie that never
Speaker 1: gets in the game and Richie, you know, Mikey kind
Speaker 1: of goes along with it, and then Richie is in
Speaker 1: the bar having himself a blast, which you know, so
Speaker 1: what you guys think about this whole scene and then
Speaker 1: eventually Mikey getting in there and his whole interactions with
Speaker 1: the woman.
Speaker 2: Before we get to like the bathroom scene.
Speaker 1: And did y'all believe the story about him shitting down
Speaker 1: his parts rod this?
Speaker 3: I feel like this part lasted a really long time.
Speaker 6: I feel like when I say they could have chopped
Speaker 6: some of this out, this is where I felt like
Speaker 6: they could have chopped some of it out, Like like
Speaker 6: it just.
Speaker 3: It just was going on too long.
Speaker 6: It's like, we get it, all of these stories he's telling,
Speaker 6: like it just seemed like a lot. And then but
Speaker 6: but I do like where we ended up with, you know,
Speaker 6: showing just how unstable Mikey was or whatever. So I
Speaker 6: do like how it led up to that moment, and
Speaker 6: I think that is the moment that was like the
Speaker 6: payoff for me giving everything.
Speaker 3: That was going on in the scene.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, what about you, Nick, Like, do you feel
Speaker 1: like this lasted too long? Or did this was like
Speaker 1: they needed all of this to kind of to the
Speaker 1: end of what Rob was saying to build up to
Speaker 1: the final moment, which is what the episode is about.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I do agree with Rod to that
Speaker 4: point at the end of it, But I feel like
Speaker 4: it was also just like once we got past the
Speaker 4: basketball scene, it was like, Okay, I was just getting
Speaker 4: used to like seeing them casually just be charming and
Speaker 4: having interactions with different people, Like, like you mentioned earlier,
Speaker 4: we were at a diner before when they were talking
Speaker 4: to the lady, the owner of that. It just kind
Speaker 4: of was like rich and mikey on the day, you know,
Speaker 4: like we're just gonna have fun with this again. We'll
Speaker 4: get to the other part later, but I did find
Speaker 4: this bar part very interesting as far as like how
Speaker 4: they work off each other, Like sometimes Richie's the start
Speaker 4: of the show and sometimes Mike's quiet, and then sometimes
Speaker 4: it's vice versa. I kind of like how they both
Speaker 4: can they were allowing each other kind of just act
Speaker 4: a little bit. I like that, And then it went
Speaker 4: left after that, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Mike, did you like the way they kind of did this,
Speaker 1: Like Richie is in there just having himself a blast.
Speaker 1: Everybody loves him. He's really disarming to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: He's basically taken over the whole bar, like it's his joint,
Speaker 1: Whereas you have Mikey who's in the restroom and he's
Speaker 1: really kind of pouring himself into the stranger that he
Speaker 1: just met, and he's revealing like all of these dark
Speaker 1: sort of secrets and feelings that he that he had.
Speaker 1: Did you like how they kind of did this sort
Speaker 1: of contrast between the two.
Speaker 2: I did. I did like this because I mean, I
Speaker 2: can see why Mikey would do this because he doesn't
Speaker 2: feel comfortable telling the people at home what's going on
Speaker 2: with him, because he's supposed to be the man. But
Speaker 2: he meets some random woman in a bar and you're
Speaker 2: doing a couple of lines of coke, doing a couple
Speaker 2: of shots. I get it. That's usually how it goes down.
Speaker 2: You don't want to talk to your friends about certain things,
Speaker 2: but you can definitely talk to a stranger because there's
Speaker 2: there's only so much judgment you can get from them
Speaker 2: because you're not going to see him again after this.
Speaker 2: So I do agree with I forget which one of
Speaker 2: y'all said it went on a little bit too long.
Speaker 2: I do agree with that the show does have a
Speaker 2: tendency to do that, because I mean it does try
Speaker 2: to like drop you into reality and just kind of
Speaker 2: leave you there for a while. But this did go
Speaker 2: on a little bit too long for me. But once
Speaker 2: they got into the bathroom, they started doing lines, and
Speaker 2: I liked the fact that it didn't get sexual, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like I thought they were just
Speaker 2: going to go back there, do a line or two
Speaker 2: and just fuck and that was gonna be the thing.
Speaker 2: But I liked how instead they were in the stall
Speaker 2: and he's pouring his heart out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed this.
Speaker 1: What about you, Nate, did you like how vulnerable he
Speaker 1: was and were you surprised that he was really saying
Speaker 1: all this stuff to somebody he just met.
Speaker 7: Yes and no, like some Mike's it's like, to Mike's point,
Speaker 7: like it's easier to kind of steal your guts out
Speaker 7: to a stranger.
Speaker 3: So I wasn't.
Speaker 7: I think I knew that they had said that he
Speaker 7: had a drug problem, but I don't think I realized it.
Speaker 7: And I think, again, this is why I liked the episode,
Speaker 7: because it reminded it kind of prepped me and kind
Speaker 7: of got me back into.
Speaker 8: The world and helped me to kind of remember things
Speaker 8: without doing the whole recap type situation.
Speaker 7: But no, I enjoy once he got in the bathroom
Speaker 7: with the girl and started talking, and you get an
Speaker 7: idea of I think, rise to how unstable he is,
Speaker 7: how troubled he seems, to the fact that you can
Speaker 7: express all of this to a stranger to me says
Speaker 7: you're emotionally detached to the people in your community. So
Speaker 7: I think that it was it kind of opened your
Speaker 7: eyes to why he ended the way he ended, or
Speaker 7: it helped you at least understand how he got to
Speaker 7: where we know he.
Speaker 8: Got to based on what we know the story already.
Speaker 3: So No, I liked.
Speaker 7: That giving that without being so on the nose, like, yeah,
Speaker 7: this this he really did have problems.
Speaker 2: Did he have a dream? I don't remember. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: said they had a pill problem.
Speaker 6: Forget that, his mother, his mother and stuff like, I
Speaker 6: think that's what it's great.
Speaker 2: No I was speaking specifically to the drug problem. I
Speaker 2: guess I forgot that part. I was gonna say.
Speaker 5: Even beyond that, they said they continuously hinted to him
Speaker 5: having appeal problem and taking painkiller drugs.
Speaker 2: In this episode or before before ye I need to watch.
Speaker 5: And I think that's one of the things that made
Speaker 5: this scene so great for me, in the sense of
Speaker 5: it takes me back to the Thanksgiving episode when he
Speaker 5: can't let it go, when the guy and his mom
Speaker 5: is Dayton and he's just like, he has to make
Speaker 5: it a thing. Yeah, and this scene, I think directly
Speaker 5: ties into that. And this is what makes this stuff
Speaker 5: really good and building to the law of this world
Speaker 5: because yeah, it's a one off scene he's doing coke
Speaker 5: in the bathroom with this lady, but we see it
Speaker 5: play out in episodes that we've already seen and he's
Speaker 5: a dead character. So I think they did this really
Speaker 5: well because it directly ties into stuff we've seen and
Speaker 5: we're like, damn, why he wild out liked that, Like
Speaker 5: it wasn't it serious? But to him it was that
Speaker 5: serious because he was battling with addiction.
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't think it was because Richie came into
Speaker 2: cop blocking. No, I'm talking about later on. I'm talk
Speaker 2: about the nine.
Speaker 5: On the Father in Law when he was like when
Speaker 5: he couldn't let it going through the fork out of
Speaker 5: the ship.
Speaker 2: This scene, to me tied directly into that into this
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: He was so mad because he was because he was
Speaker 1: actually having a chance to express himself.
Speaker 2: And is that why.
Speaker 1: He got upset with with Richie and then flipped out
Speaker 1: on him nets because we can go and move transition
Speaker 1: to the net scene, because you know, he got really, really,
Speaker 1: like physically and visibly angry with Richie when he came
Speaker 1: in and Richie was about business. Richie was like, yo,
Speaker 1: like we gotta go, Like this is why we're here,
Speaker 1: and you're in here in this place that you told
Speaker 1: me you didn't even want to come in here at all.
Speaker 2: Yet you're in here and you don't want to leave.
Speaker 1: So was it the instability of him or was it?
Speaker 1: Was it something deeper?
Speaker 7: I took the instability yet like not so much that
Speaker 7: I'm finally expressing myself and I'm magic to stop me as.
Speaker 8: Much as I am expressing myself.
Speaker 7: And now I'm wrong and now I'm worked up, and
Speaker 7: now I'm emotional, and I don't have any place to
Speaker 7: put those emotions, like when you are in.
Speaker 8: A space where you're actually spill, like spilling out how
Speaker 8: I feel.
Speaker 7: Means I actually am feeling it, and what am I
Speaker 7: doing with them feelings? So I think it was just
Speaker 7: an explosion that happened because he's actually feeling stuff and
Speaker 7: actually acknowledging some of the issues that he's dealing with,
Speaker 7: and now he needs someplace to place it, and Richie
Speaker 7: just happened to be his punching bag for that moment.
Speaker 1: RRI that the the way he started talking. He was
Speaker 1: speaking very glowingly about you know, Richie and he's going
Speaker 1: to be a great dad. Were you surprised that it
Speaker 1: went as dark and left as it did?
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: I was. I was like, man, what is happening?
Speaker 6: I thought I blanked out for a minute, Like what,
Speaker 6: Like how did it you know what I'm saying? How
Speaker 6: did it change? Like I'm like, what, this is crazy?
Speaker 6: I've been flipping man. But but but yeah, man, this
Speaker 6: was probably one of the one of the most impactful
Speaker 6: scenes for me. Like I was just like, yo, this
Speaker 6: is this is some wild ship or whatever. So yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm sure you know, And like I said, it just
Speaker 6: it just spoke to the character that we all always
Speaker 6: heard about and like I think Spike is spot on
Speaker 6: with like how it kind of ties back to what
Speaker 6: we saw of him in that Thanksgiving scene.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was. I was shocked. I was shocked
Speaker 3: how how lips so fast?
Speaker 6: Like ship Mikey was he I mean not Mikey, but
Speaker 6: what's the name of suck too? Like hey, going on,
Speaker 6: it's just just this whole expression. He didn't even know
Speaker 6: how to how to take it, like yeah, man, but
Speaker 6: it was great. The acting here was amazing, Like man,
Speaker 6: this was this was superb backing right here.
Speaker 5: In fact, and I think it trickles down from not
Speaker 5: even the Thanksgiving episode, but even to when you're talking
Speaker 5: about the Bear and how he deals with conflict and
Speaker 5: the things that he was going through when he got
Speaker 5: locked in that freezer, always saying yes, good point his girlfriend.
Speaker 5: Like it shows like this is a family trait, like
Speaker 5: they do this. They do this when they are.
Speaker 2: Hot, in high stress environments.
Speaker 5: They do this when they are faced with like it's
Speaker 5: this thing or it's that thing and you have to
Speaker 5: pick the right thing, and they.
Speaker 2: Don't do it. They going to low.
Speaker 5: They going low every time, to quote Michelle Obama, they
Speaker 5: going low every time. And this was good in painting
Speaker 5: that out for like the whole family, not just sing
Speaker 5: as this is the bear and this is how he reacts.
Speaker 5: But you've had that Thanksgiving episode you have this episode
Speaker 5: and you see this is a family thing and how
Speaker 5: they react to stuff.
Speaker 2: Mike and Nick. Any any thoughts on this the scene
Speaker 2: go ahead? Yeah, I just I didn't know where where
Speaker 2: it came from. I was not I mean, it wouldn't
Speaker 2: be the Bear if it didn't get a little dark.
Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting this because it seemed like they were
Speaker 2: having a good time. But at the same time, Mikey
Speaker 2: was on edge the whole time. And I'm still not
Speaker 2: all the way sure why. I guess Despite's point it's
Speaker 2: the drugs. I just didn't think about drugs. But the
Speaker 2: way he talked to Richie in that moment, I was
Speaker 2: just like Jesus Christ. This felt uncomfortable to think about.
Speaker 2: His mom did that too, Mike Well, yeah, but his
Speaker 2: mom is, like I said, I wasn't working about it.
Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking about him being a drug addict. His
Speaker 2: mom did that because his mom is an alcoholic and
Speaker 2: she's got mental problems. I don't remember the details about
Speaker 2: Mikey and his problems. I just don't remember. So I
Speaker 2: wasn't expecting all this.
Speaker 5: Not even to say about Mikey specifically his problems, but
Speaker 5: just the family as a whole. They have a there's
Speaker 5: a trend of them doing this, like when you had
Speaker 5: the bear stuck in the freezer and Clara was listening
Speaker 5: to him and snapping on her like it's a thing
Speaker 5: that their family does when they get in these positions
Speaker 5: that they have to overreact.
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. I didn't see what the
Speaker 2: position was, like, what was the big deal? Why was
Speaker 2: he bugging out like this? I got why why KRMEI
Speaker 2: bugged out? He was locked in a freezer and he
Speaker 2: was panicking because of the restaurant Mikey in this moment,
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with him.
Speaker 5: I take it because he's looking at it as I'm
Speaker 5: the guy, and you've came in here and you've held
Speaker 5: court and all of these people are looking at you
Speaker 5: like you're the guy when I'm supposed to be the guy.
Speaker 2: It's very minuscule. It's small. It's small. But I think
Speaker 2: that goes to play into the character that they presented.
Speaker 5: Him as in, you can't go in the room and
Speaker 5: outshine me, and you've done that, and now I got
Speaker 5: to make you look like I made you look.
Speaker 4: But it was but even even with that Loue because
Speaker 4: I understand what you're saying. But even then, like the
Speaker 4: story that Richie told was the story that was like
Speaker 4: an embarrassing story, and it was big enough.
Speaker 3: Mikey, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It was just kind of like, right, he's the one
Speaker 4: that people.
Speaker 2: Are responding to you versus responding to me.
Speaker 4: And I was again, I'm in my mind, I'm going
Speaker 4: back to like Mikey sees him really outgrowing him also
Speaker 4: because he's about to have a kid, like he's about
Speaker 4: to move on with his life. He's already married, like,
Speaker 4: and I think Mikey's like, I got to make sure
Speaker 4: it reminds you that you still underneath me no matter what.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's just I was shocked that he would do
Speaker 4: that to a friend who literally just picked him up.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, like this this is does
Speaker 4: fall in line with his character and.
Speaker 2: We find we learned that Oh so now, OK, I
Speaker 2: was gonna say.
Speaker 7: To Mike's but I think we understand I took that
Speaker 7: at this point in time, like the restaurant is probably
Speaker 7: failing him too, which is why he has to do
Speaker 7: these runs.
Speaker 3: So to Mike's.
Speaker 8: Point of him being on edge, the entire episode.
Speaker 7: Like, I'm gonna assume the fact that he still has
Speaker 7: to do this illegal type stuff to make ends meet
Speaker 7: is probably annoying him too. So I got the impression
Speaker 7: that he's just stressed out. He's getting it out in
Speaker 7: the bathroom a little bit to old girl, and now
Speaker 7: we just have a blow up.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I'm seeing here that the events of Gary
Speaker 1: takes place after Fishes, which is the Christmas episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know the displaying Mikey struck as a date
Speaker 1: January eleven, twenty nineteen, and of course Mikey died by
Speaker 1: suicide February twenty second, two twenty too. But we also
Speaker 1: found out that that Mikey, they say, never called the
Speaker 1: guy and Mikey fucked up this whole thing, and that
Speaker 1: his phone was dead. So I don't know what to
Speaker 1: make of that, Like maybe he was enjoying spending time
Speaker 1: with Richie and wanted to hold on to it kind
Speaker 1: of maybe to one of you guys's point, Uh, maybe
Speaker 1: I think that you were just saying that, uh, he's
Speaker 1: about to lose him and they're on this trip and
Speaker 1: they wanted to have a good time.
Speaker 2: And he made the CD and he didn't want to
Speaker 2: enjoy the CD.
Speaker 1: But then he's having fun with the CD and he's
Speaker 1: having such a good time that he was holding on
Speaker 1: to this, uh to this last moment that he felt
Speaker 1: that they were going to have together. So uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Richie slaps him reluctantly at first, and then I guess
Speaker 1: he kind of really started to get angry about what
Speaker 1: was happening. And then uh, they went to do the
Speaker 1: meat and apparently it's just some pumpmpillars that apparently just rotate,
Speaker 1: is what he said. So anything to make about that,
Speaker 1: Like it seemed like they were delivering something that it
Speaker 1: sounded like it was supposed to be. We're thinking something
Speaker 1: other than that, but it's just propellers.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of that. Is that
Speaker 2: really what it was or were they just saying that,
Speaker 2: I can't that's what he ever saw it.
Speaker 4: I thought that's what it was. Like, we think it's
Speaker 4: something different, but it's just something basic. I was looking
Speaker 4: at as like me thinking real maybe deeply about it,
Speaker 4: that this was probably going to be the beginning of
Speaker 4: the end of their friendship, and just he just ended
Speaker 4: up dying before it actually ended, you know, And I
Speaker 4: think that's what Richie was probably sad about the most
Speaker 4: throughout this series, is that, again, you just don't always
Speaker 4: know how you're gonna end things with somebody, and he
Speaker 4: was a big part of his life, and I think
Speaker 4: he just felt like he had more time to end
Speaker 4: it on a proper note.
Speaker 1: Well, the ending of this episode after the big fight,
Speaker 1: which I think was the one of the big moments,
Speaker 1: but you know, they never made it back by five
Speaker 1: fifteen because they got stuck by the train and one
Speaker 1: of the guys at the restaurant was telling them about
Speaker 1: that damn trained Ritchie.
Speaker 2: Mikey tries to make it up by playing.
Speaker 1: The CD, and I guess to your point, Nick, it
Speaker 1: does seem like it's the beginning of the end because
Speaker 1: Richie threw the damn CD album, so yeah, and he
Speaker 1: didn't make it home in time. So Mikey just really
Speaker 1: messed everything up because that was big for him. Even
Speaker 1: though he didn't believe in the superstition, his wife believed
Speaker 1: in it, and it was enough for him to make
Speaker 1: sure that he was there for her regardless of how
Speaker 1: he felt about the superstition. And uh, and then there's
Speaker 1: a t bone, which I don't remember you guys remember
Speaker 1: anything about the t bone in in the Bear.
Speaker 2: No, because it hadn't happened yet. Okay, that's how I
Speaker 2: took it at least.
Speaker 1: Oh so this is like in the present when he
Speaker 1: got it, got it, got it right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's how I took it.
Speaker 4: Like he was just like him reminiscent over that and
Speaker 4: then like you know, you in traffic and Chicago traffic
Speaker 4: is I'm not surprised, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, then we'll shick up this season with Okay,
Speaker 2: you're in a coma for half the season. Well, this
Speaker 2: is probably gonna be what makes him and car Me
Speaker 2: come back together. Oh what what happened?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: I thought somebody said something. M hm yeah. I think
Speaker 2: they're just.
Speaker 1: Saying, oh wow, yeah, all right, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: well yeah, you know that's that's pretty much it. So
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens when we pick up with The
Speaker 1: Bear the final season of The Bear.
Speaker 2: Any final thoughts before we get out of here.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I think for me, it was like,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure where we pick up with this after
Speaker 4: this episode. Uh, there's a lot of things that I
Speaker 4: want to see from The Bear. I don't know if
Speaker 4: they'll executed. We just keep on talking about series finales
Speaker 4: that have happened, not only just there this year alone,
Speaker 4: but what's to come. So it's kind of like, I'm
Speaker 4: interested in in what they're gonna do with Richie, like
Speaker 4: putting them in a car accident to start off the
Speaker 4: new season, how they're gonna change his character arc. But
Speaker 4: I'm excited for I think it's about time that they
Speaker 4: ended it though, too, So it's a good it's a good.
Speaker 7: Sign excited for the season to just like, dude, did
Speaker 7: this episode do anything for y'all for for upcoming?
Speaker 2: It was not. Really. It was nice to see.
Speaker 5: It was good to see the actors were good in it.
Speaker 5: I didn't like, totally hate that they put this out.
Speaker 5: I am interested in the t bone scene now that
Speaker 5: this is how we open the next season, especially based
Speaker 5: off what we saw the last season. You had the
Speaker 5: argument out back with Karen and Richie and what's uh
Speaker 5: push the other hif name?
Speaker 4: Damn, you forgot the black chef out of everybody, the
Speaker 4: black woman too, what's her name?
Speaker 2: What's her name? Exactly? Exactly?
Speaker 5: See, So I think that them making a pivot from
Speaker 5: that conversation to now we got a t bone with
Speaker 5: this character. Is interesting because I really wanted to see
Speaker 5: it pick up from where they left off last season.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: So you think it was like a food pun? Yes? All, alright, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I would be serious. Hold on to answer Nate's question,
Speaker 2: this does not get me excited for the next season.
Speaker 2: It doesn't get me unexcited. I don't think this this
Speaker 2: episode really did that much. I think that they were
Speaker 2: trying to go for the remember when Euphoria did it.
Speaker 2: But I think Euphoria just kind of did it better
Speaker 2: when they through some weird long episode in between two seasons,
Speaker 2: The Yeah and The Diner. Then we had The Jewels one,
Speaker 2: and I think I think those worked a little bit
Speaker 2: better than this. I don't think this was bad, but
Speaker 2: I don't think it was amazing. It was fine, It
Speaker 2: was fine. That's all. Well, all right, Well.
Speaker 1: We'll leave it there, man our review of the Bear
Speaker 1: of the whole season recap that will be dropping soon,
Speaker 1: so stay just pay attention to release dates and all that,
Speaker 1: and we'll catch you guys next time we off.
Speaker 2: Peace. Peace,