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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week

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Speaker 1: with us again the last Monday in October twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Can you believe that later the founder of the Black

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Speaker 1: Lawyers for Justice, Attorney Malague Shabaz, will update us on

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Speaker 1: some of the cases that the group is working on.

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Speaker 1: Before Attorney Malik In, a national journalist, and DC activists

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Speaker 1: brother Obi will check in. But to get a started moment, Telly,

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Speaker 1: you're going to go to Hawaii where the founder of

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Speaker 1: a blackeconomics dot org, doctor Brooks Robinson, will join us.

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Speaker 1: But first let's get Kevin we Ope at the classroom

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Speaker 1: doors for us this week, Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, my man, my man, it's

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Speaker 2: hard to believe October is almost over. It was an

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Speaker 2: interesting month, indeed for many of us. And I'm telling

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Speaker 2: you here we are today is the twenty seventh of October,

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Speaker 2: and it just seemed like only yesterday it was the

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Speaker 2: first of October.

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling, Carl Nelson?

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Speaker 4: How you feeling, my man?

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, Kevin. I'm still wide awake and ready

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Speaker 1: to go, ready to learn some more stuff this morning,

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Speaker 1: right eye of guests et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's because information is power. And then so it's

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Speaker 2: a perpetual gig to keep learning, you know.

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Speaker 1: So, but once you once you get that information, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't stop there. You've got to put it to use.

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Speaker 1: That's that's it. Because the more you know, the more

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Speaker 1: you grow. So you've got to got to implement what

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Speaker 1: you learn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, how many of those quips and quotes can

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Speaker 2: we come up with? Like, applied knowledge is power.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So the stuff you're learning, you apply it.

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Speaker 1: So hopefully I'm sure you know what, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: doctor Robinson will agree with us when he comes out momentarily.

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Speaker 2: But I didn't realize he was. He's in Hawaii. Man,

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Speaker 2: he sounds so laid back. This That explains it. I

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Speaker 2: tell you, I can't wait to hear what he's gonna

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Speaker 2: share with us tonight. Is the Commanders, man, you know

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Speaker 2: all else, just put everything else aside. The Commanders are

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Speaker 2: game in this twenty twenty five campaigns. All of that

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Speaker 2: and that puts Marcus Mariotta back on the field, and

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Speaker 2: he does pretty good. I mean, you know, not trying

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Speaker 2: to take anything away from him as an armchair quarterback,

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Speaker 2: I understand see. And he's going. But he's got more

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Speaker 2: fold of things. And they're playing Kansas City Patrick's.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the most important. They're playing Chiefs. We're looking

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Speaker 2: I know, I feel like writing a letter like these

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Speaker 2: Monday night games are they really necessary?

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Speaker 2: I remember when it was only Monday night football. Now

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's food stamps. Folks are going to get upset

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Senate had a long weekend there during Thursday,

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Speaker 1: a lot of heat Kevin, because you know, he's gone

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Speaker 4: Most of the black leaders have been very much acquiescent

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Speaker 4: to the whims and the notions of the other side,

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Speaker 4: and they have accepted, we believe too often what the

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Speaker 4: other side, that is White America, brought forward the solutions

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Speaker 4: to our problems, and by so doing, they have deferred

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Speaker 4: to white leadership and become secondary, very much secondary and

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Speaker 4: putting forward good fresh ideas, good fresh, powerful and effective

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Speaker 4: policies that can address our problems. And really that rolled

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Speaker 4: us up into a situation where we're viewed quite negatively

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Speaker 4: in many respects, one being that we don't take ownership

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Speaker 4: enough of our own situation and then work to implement

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Speaker 4: solutions for ourselves, as opposed to having a handout sitting

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Speaker 4: at the you know, at Washington as the steps of

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Speaker 4: the Capitol Building, uh and at the White House saying oh,

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Speaker 4: we need resources for this and that and the other

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Speaker 4: as opposed to saying this is what we want to do.

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Speaker 4: We're going to do it, irrespective of whether you know

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Speaker 4: the people up on Capitol Hill or r in the

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Speaker 4: White House say that they're going to help us do it.

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Speaker 4: We're going to get it done anyway, and I think

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Speaker 4: the million Man March, and you know, twenty years or

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Speaker 4: thirty years ago, I was an example of that where

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Speaker 4: someone said we're going to do something, uh and we

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Speaker 4: it was done irrespective of what Washington wanted. But it

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Speaker 4: needs it needs to go further. And I don't think

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Speaker 4: we pushed forward on that part of what we could

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Speaker 4: be doing for ourselves hard enough. If we had, I

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Speaker 4: think we'd be much further along as far as our

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Speaker 4: socio econother status.

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Speaker 1: Twenty nine minutes at the top of the our family.

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Speaker 1: Thanks of waking up with us on this Monday morning

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Speaker 1: with I guess that the doctor Brooks Robinson economists and

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Speaker 1: black to Robinson is talking about. He has a long

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Speaker 1: term strategic plan for Black America. You can find him.

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Speaker 1: All this information is at black economic dot org. We

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Speaker 1: mentioned about black leadership and some people have criticized the

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Speaker 1: congratiate Black Caucus because some of the members of the

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Speaker 1: caucus are actinarians. I think that's how you say they're

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Speaker 1: in the eighties, and especially when thus in the news

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Speaker 1: in DC of the weekend, the DC Representative Elma Holmes

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Speaker 1: Norton and she got scammed out of some money, and

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Speaker 1: some people are telling her that she should step aside

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Speaker 1: because I think she's maybe eighty eight or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on that, Because and they are elderly white

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Speaker 1: congress and senators as well, I'm not sure if they'd

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Speaker 1: be nudge to get off the platform. But some people

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Speaker 1: think it's time for some of these older or elder

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Speaker 1: some of our elders to really step aside or pass

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Speaker 1: the baton on to some younger people. What are your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on that?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think, you know, it makes sense and will

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Speaker 4: respect from a different perspective altogether. You know, we cannot

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Speaker 4: expect a government that represents three hundred and thirty some

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Speaker 4: million people and Black Americans representing about fifty million, a

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Speaker 4: relatively small fraction twelve thirteen, fourteen percent of the little

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Speaker 4: population to believe that the government is going to swing

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Speaker 4: everything our way just to help us become more effective

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Speaker 4: and successful. I don't think we should focus so much

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Speaker 4: on government at all, even though I concur with the

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Speaker 4: general opinion that it might be favorable to have some

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Speaker 4: younger people in some of those positions. What we're focusing on,

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Speaker 4: especially in the piece called Permission Granted, is kind of

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Speaker 4: stiff arming in some sense the government. Not being so

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Speaker 4: focused on the government and taking more focus on our

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Speaker 4: own selves as a people, ask communities or areas of

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Speaker 4: influence pockets in some of the major urban areas, and

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Speaker 4: beginning to plan and strategize and coming together and learn

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Speaker 4: the key fundamental features of togetherness and trust so that

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Speaker 4: we can make a plan. We can come to a decision.

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Speaker 4: First of all, get a mechanism that enables us to

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Speaker 4: come to a decision. Once we come to a decision,

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Speaker 4: have enough faith and trust in each other that we're

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Speaker 4: all going to do our part to implement that decision,

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Speaker 4: and then go forward with it and kind of push

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Speaker 4: to the side, not completely out of sight, but and

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Speaker 4: use what we're doing as tax payer of taxaying Americans,

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Speaker 4: but focus really on what we can do for ourselves.

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Speaker 1: All right, twenty eight away from the tom Day. I

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Speaker 1: kind of like that, Dr Robinson, So break it down

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Speaker 1: for us, what can we do, What should be the

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Speaker 1: first steps should we be taken to do that to

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Speaker 1: help ourselves instead of worrying about other folks.

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Speaker 4: The first thing that we need to do, and the

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Speaker 4: long term strategic plan for Black America, that volume which

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Speaker 4: is out there and people should go to the website

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Speaker 4: to see it. I did not write it, Alan, just

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Speaker 4: make that point. A group of grassroots people, great grassroots minds,

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Speaker 4: got together and put that volume together. The website is

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Speaker 4: just l T st SBA dot org. That's a long

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Speaker 4: term strategic plan for Black America. Of course, the other

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Speaker 4: website that you mentioned today is our twenty year old

525
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Speaker 4: website called Black Economics with an SSPN dot org. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: what should we be doing? The first step is to

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Speaker 4: conceive in our minds and hearts what do we want

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Speaker 4: for ourselves? In other words, the most important First of all,

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Speaker 4: the most important thing in the universe is knowledge. And

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Speaker 4: what you say as your tagline, you know for your program,

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Speaker 4: information is the dont world. Information is nothing but knowledge.

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Speaker 4: And then of course you all want further today to

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Speaker 4: say it's the implementation of the information that's power. Well,

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Speaker 4: knowledge is the most important thing, but the most the

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Speaker 4: most powerful instrument in the universe is the mind. So

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Speaker 4: we have to reconfigure the black mind to get us

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Speaker 4: to realize that epigenetically we've been affected in so many

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Speaker 4: different ways. Adversely, let's get our mind straight first on

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Speaker 4: who we are, what we are what do we want

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Speaker 4: to accomplish and achieve, you know, in the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 4: Get the mind right, focused on it and say yes,

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Speaker 4: if we put our mind to it, we can get

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Speaker 4: it done. And then you begin to sit down together,

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Speaker 4: agree to trust each other and form a strategic plan.

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Speaker 4: Use what is existing, or modify it, or create a

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Speaker 4: new plan. That is so powerful because people get together

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Speaker 4: and agree on it, and then you proceed to implement it.

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Speaker 4: That's let's just you have to start with the mind.

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Speaker 4: If you don't get the mind right, everything else goes away.

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Speaker 4: Nothing else is possible. What do we say, you know,

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Speaker 4: just in plain simple colloquial expression, wherever the head goes,

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Speaker 4: the body follows. Correct.

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Speaker 7: So correct.

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Speaker 1: But having said that, at twenty five away from the

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Speaker 1: top of the host, Dr Robinson, what about the folks

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Speaker 1: who don't want you know, we've got a bunch of

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Speaker 1: folks who Dr Wilson say, they just they like the

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Speaker 1: where they are in the system of RACI and white supremacy.

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Speaker 1: They're just looking for a better spot. They're not trying

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Speaker 1: to overturn it. They're happy with what they are. They

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Speaker 1: don't see what the vision that what you're talking about?

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Speaker 1: How are you going to move those folk?

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Speaker 3: Folks?

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Speaker 1: How you're gonna get them to understand because their mind

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Speaker 1: is locked into one way that this is it and

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Speaker 1: we can't do any better and this is all we have.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just trying to make a trying to you know,

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Speaker 1: get a bigger biscuit and everything else.

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Speaker 3: I'm cool. How do you reach those folks?

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, you have to recognize that when

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Speaker 4: you begin a process, you know it's not you know,

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Speaker 4: it's not a snowball rolling down the side of a mountain. Right.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, it's not like that. It's like you get

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Speaker 4: who you can. One of our members, doctor Gil Frasier,

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Speaker 4: out of your gago, she said many times in our

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Speaker 4: meetings and our discussion. She said, her big mother, her

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Speaker 4: great grandmother, I think it was you should to say

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Speaker 4: to her, you look around, you see what you got,

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Speaker 4: You get it together. You take what you got and

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Speaker 4: do what you can. But we get those people, I

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Speaker 4: mean Black Americans who are interested in seeing improvements in

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Speaker 4: our well being. We have to come together, even if

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Speaker 4: it's just thirty or forty percent, starting off twenty thirty

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Speaker 4: forty percent, and then you start making cogress and then

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Speaker 4: others say, oh, by the way, yeah, I been reading address.

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Speaker 4: Let me look at that. Let me see if there's

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Speaker 4: some benefits to me. Look, political scientists all already know

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Speaker 4: that it's a very simple issue. People will not take

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Speaker 4: any right.

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Speaker 3: And doctor Robinson hold that though.

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Speaker 1: Right then we've got to start asund and caught up

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Speaker 1: with the latest news, trapped and with it a different scision.

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Speaker 1: We come back. I'll let you finish your thought in.

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Speaker 1: Cliff in Connecticut has a question for you family. You

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Speaker 1: two can join our conversation with doctor Brooks Robinson that

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Speaker 1: you you can find this information at blackeconomics dot org.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about black leaders this morning. What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six will

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Speaker 1: get you in. We'll take all your phone calls after

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Speaker 1: the news. Trafficking weather that's next, and Grand Rising family,

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Speaker 1: thanks of waking up with us on this Monday morning.

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Speaker 1: We're seventeen minutes away from the top of the out

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Speaker 1: Shout out to all our teachers getting ready to go

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Speaker 1: to work this morning and take care of our young people.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you'll hear something on the radio you can share

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Speaker 1: with our young people when you get to class this

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Speaker 1: morning anyway, I guess this doctor Brooks Robinson. Doctor Brooks

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Speaker 1: Robinson and his group, they've written a plan as a

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Speaker 1: long term strategic plan for Black America, and this morning

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Speaker 1: we're talking about black leadership eight hundred four or five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight to seventy six is so I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: call you'd like to speak to you before we do that, then,

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Speaker 1: let me just remind you. Later this morning, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: speak with the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice.

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Speaker 1: I'll be Attorney Malik Shabaz. Before we hear from Attorney Meliku.

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Speaker 1: International journalist and activist Brother Obi will join us. And

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Speaker 1: later this week you're going to hear from futuristic researcher

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Speaker 1: brother Sadekia mccari. Also the President General of the Universal

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Speaker 1: African People's Organization, Brother Zaki Breuti, will be here.

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Speaker 3: He's going to introduce us.

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Speaker 1: To Cuban freedom fighters and also economist the doctor Julian

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Speaker 1: Malveau Jonas as well. So if you're in Baltimore, make

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Speaker 1: sure you keep your radio locked in real tight on

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Speaker 1: ten ten WLB or if you're in the DMV, we're

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Speaker 1: on fourteen fifteen wol all right, doctor Robson, let me

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Speaker 1: let you finish your thought in Cliffin, Connecticut has a

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Speaker 1: question or a comment for you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the only thing I wanted to say was you

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Speaker 4: go back to the nineteen sixties and a pretty famous economist,

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Speaker 4: political scientist, Manager Oldson. He was at University of Maryland

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Speaker 4: right there, and he wrote a book, The Logic of

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Speaker 4: Collective Action. That book says simply this, political or economic

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Speaker 4: agents will take no action that is collective action, will

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Speaker 4: not engage in such collective actions. And that's what we're

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Speaker 4: talking about here, Black people getting together and doing work

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Speaker 4: that will you know, benefits. All people will not do

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Speaker 4: that work unless they can be assured that's the return

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Speaker 4: that they receive, the benefits they receive, uh, that those

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Speaker 4: benefits are going to be greater than the costs they're

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Speaker 4: going to incur to perform that work, which includes more

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Speaker 4: than just you know, the time and the energy and

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Speaker 4: the effort. You know, they may be putting themselves in

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Speaker 4: quite a position to take a strong stance which might

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Speaker 4: be antithetical to the status pro when it comes to

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Speaker 4: looking at lack America becoming more independent, because that's just

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Speaker 4: not the way it's ever, hasn't ever been that way

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Speaker 4: except for a few cases, and we know what's happened

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Speaker 4: in those few cases where black people were independent, went

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Speaker 4: across against the brain, became very successful, talking about Wilmington,

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Speaker 4: talking about Tulsa, talking about Rosewood. In those cases, people

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Speaker 4: suffered because the opposition the other side say, you know,

652
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Speaker 4: we don't, we don't, we won't content, we won't countenance that,

653
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Speaker 4: We're not gonna let it happen. And so when people

654
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 4: engage in collective action, they face costs. They understand those costs,

655
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Speaker 4: and they're not going to engage unless they're sure the

656
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 4: benefits they're going to receive will exceed the costs that

657
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Speaker 4: they will that they will incur.

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Speaker 1: Got you fourteen away from the top. As I mentioned,

659
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Speaker 1: doctor Robinson, Cliff is calling some Connecticut is online too,

660
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Speaker 1: Grand Rising Cliff, you're on with doctor Robinson.

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Speaker 8: Hey, grand prison brother Kylin. An excellent question in terms

662
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 8: of who is the black leadership? Maybe not pushed back disrespectful,

663
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 8: being disrespectful, but I want to say this is that

664
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Speaker 8: there is a leader amongst us that says given us

665
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 8: the blueprint to survival, you know, in terms of how

666
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 8: to eat, you know, how to live, what our political

667
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 8: agenda should be. Also to the point where he or

668
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 8: the organization even influence and instruct us not to take

669
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Speaker 8: the vast scene, you know. So I don't know whatever

670
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 8: individual or group has gone to that extent in order

671
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 8: to help black people to survive. So my question to you,

672
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 8: who would fit that category with the description I did.

673
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Speaker 4: He gave you? Yeah, well, I know who you're talking about,

674
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 4: and I think people who are awake today know who

675
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 4: you're talking about.

676
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 8: Who is that person? I'm asking you to name that person?

677
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 4: Oh, that that is the honormal Minister Lewis Farakhan. That's

678
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 4: how he's referred to. Wait a minute, now, wait a minute,

679
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 4: wait an okay, but don't forget the history. Okay, don't

680
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Speaker 4: forget the history. The history is he's a student and

681
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Speaker 4: he's up front of the most honorable La Muhammet. He's

682
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 4: a man. In my view, the most important book for

683
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Speaker 4: Black America the twentieth century was the book that the

684
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Speaker 4: most Elijah Mohammad put together called Message to the Black Man.

685
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 4: He meant black man and woman, boy and girl. But yeah,

686
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: it was a very powerful book and he laid out

687
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 4: the framework Black Americas still don't yet recognize the power

688
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 4: of what he did. But those who preceded him, like

689
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 4: Nobles grew Ali and h and Marcus Garvey, they set

690
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 4: the framework for him.

691
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 5: So it's a continuous.

692
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 4: Process of growth and development. But yeah, something it's North Farkhan,

693
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Speaker 4: but there are other factions or groups within the Islamic

694
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 4: tradition also doing important work too. You can't just you know,

695
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 4: highlight minis Rys Farkhan. He's very much Yeah, go ahead

696
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 4: right when I.

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Speaker 8: And I understand that and thank you for sharing that.

698
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 8: But I'm simply saying that that we do have a leader,

699
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 8: you know, and brother Carl also having you included. But

700
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 8: we as black people do not want to recognize our

701
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 8: potential black leaders, and we would rather be Americanized and

702
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 8: value a political party, a party, or even Caucasian people

703
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Speaker 8: as our leaders. That's what we do as brass roots

704
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 8: black people. We don't have that. That's our culture. So

705
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 8: it's our fault we ignore our potential and very valuable leaders.

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Speaker 4: In my opinion, the cliff, you didn't you didn't listen

707
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Speaker 4: and hear what we said. We said that, and as

708
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Speaker 4: mister Nelson said, well, how do we get this done?

709
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 4: How do we improve our situation. We said, well, the

710
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 4: political side of it, you know, we may have to

711
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Speaker 4: push that to the to the side, not pulling into

712
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Speaker 4: the background, because we are due the resources that come

713
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 4: from government and because we do pay to access. But

714
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 4: that what we're talking about is not ignoring what the

715
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Speaker 4: government is doing, but looking and instructing, creating an inventory

716
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Speaker 4: of our needs and seeing, you know, which needs are

717
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 4: not being met and not going to the government and say, oh,

718
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: if you've got to help us do this. But we're

719
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Speaker 4: looking when we look at that situation and say what

720
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Speaker 4: can we do for ourselves? And so we're not saying

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Speaker 4: that we got to look to only government and leadership

722
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Speaker 4: coming from government. We can't just look to a religious

723
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Speaker 4: leadership either, because even those who really believe in religion

724
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 4: know that there's no compulsion in religion. But everybody's not

725
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Speaker 4: religious in the same way. So we have to kind

726
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 4: of Malcolm used to say this, he said, you know,

727
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 4: put your religion aside, put your politics aside. The thing

728
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 4: that we need to worry about is black nationalism and

729
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: what can we do for ourselves to get the job done.

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Speaker 4: So that as we move further down the road, we

731
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Speaker 4: are increasingly improving better and better positions across the entire

732
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Speaker 4: socioeconomic spectrum. That's what we should be trying to do

733
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Speaker 4: in our view, and that's what the brassroots group that

734
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Speaker 4: I've been working with, the long term strategic Plans for

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Speaker 4: Black of Art, is trying to do. And this is

736
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Speaker 4: what we've been writing about, thankfully so and only so

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Speaker 4: for the last twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Ten minutes away from the top. The change America has changed?

739
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: Donald Trump?

740
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Speaker 3: Right up?

741
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: Donald Trump has changed America. Is this a great opportunity

742
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: for us now to change to respond to with these changes?

743
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: Do we need another Gary meeting? Doctor Robson, will you

744
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: come out and have a black agenda? Or how do

745
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: how do we formulate some of these ideas that you

746
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: have laid out in your plan? How do we how

747
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: do we make them put it into practice?

748
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Speaker 4: No, that's a very important point, and and that convention

749
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 4: and Jerry was a powerful situation. But then you need

750
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Speaker 4: to look at it and say, well, why wasn't there

751
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 4: more follow up? Same question ask after a millionaire in

752
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 4: much why wasn't there more follow up? Or we're gonna

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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say it this way, Misterdelle said we're

754
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 4: gonna have to have a kind of come to Jesus situation.

755
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 4: That's the way some people say it, you know, come

756
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Speaker 4: to Jesus meeting. Uh, That is, we're gonna have to

757
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 4: have a kind of Christ. It seems like we're gonna

758
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: have to have a kind of pleaser situation that's going

759
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Speaker 4: to force us to realize as one of the one

760
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Speaker 4: of one of my siblings that he says, we all

761
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 4: we got, you know, because in the end, Americans become

762
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 4: so fragmented every group, and there's so many now for themselves.

763
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Speaker 4: They're not worried about the other ethnic group, of the

764
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 4: other racial group now for themselves, and logically, so we

765
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 4: forget the fundamental first law of nature self reservation. And

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Speaker 4: so to even expect, you know, another group of people,

767
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 4: another ethnicity, another race, to look at us and favor us,

768
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Speaker 4: start writing checks to us and saying, oh, by the way,

769
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you half of what I got. That

770
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Speaker 4: it's not going to happen. So once conditions get worse.

771
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Speaker 4: You were talking about Andandelhammad, he said, hey, you got

772
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 4: to get people that are dissatisfied. People get dissatisfied, they'll

773
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 4: begin to take action in their own hands. And when

774
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Speaker 4: they do. If we come together in that situation, under

775
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 4: those circumstances, truly interested in writing the ship, truly interested

776
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 4: in writing a new history for ourselves going forward, then

777
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 4: we will come together in faith, will come together economically,

778
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 4: will come together religiously, We'll come together politically, we'll come

779
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 4: together educationally, in so many respects. And they all have

780
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 4: a plan, a Stratehitic plan. Work it, have faith in it,

781
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 4: and just stick with it until we get the job done.

782
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 4: But it may take you some force, some unforeseen force

783
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 4: right now that pushes us in that direction.

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Speaker 1: Sam manus away from the top of at doctor Brooks Robinson. So,

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Speaker 1: doctor Robinson that your thought on reparations. Should we eliminate

786
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: that from the calculations to moving forward to that we

787
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: need as an economic thrust, or should we just look

788
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: at some other place that we need to generate funds

789
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: to get our situation straight.

790
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 4: Well, we are due reparations. There's so many people in

791
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: the United States who've already gotten reparations. Okay, are there

792
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 4: people around the world who have got reparations? The people

793
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 4: who are bombing you know, Godza these days, you know

794
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 4: they're doing that because they got reparation stuff to get

795
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: a territory to start, you know, their own national government

796
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: and system. They got organized, they got reparations, and they

797
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 4: used it to build a nation. And now they're trying

798
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 4: to make sure they defend themselves in Sutuay that they're

799
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 4: never harmed again. And there's a certain logic to that,

800
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 4: and I'm saying that it's right. I'm just saying that

801
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 4: is a logic to it. The bottom line is we

802
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 4: should not exkew the idea of receiving reparations. We should

803
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 4: continue to pursue it. The question that people should be

804
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: asking is this, how in the world in twenty and

805
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 4: twenty four, during the run up to the election, all

806
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 4: we could hear all across the nation one reparation, reparation

807
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 4: up and once the political conventions began, you heard maybe

808
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 4: one or two words spoken about reparations in both conventions,

809
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 4: the one in chicagoan one in Milwaukee. The reality is, uh,

810
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 4: the political parties didn't give up, you know what about reparations.

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Speaker 4: It's not something they want to do have any interest

812
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 4: in providing to Black Americans. That doesn't mean that we

813
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 4: shouldn't still pursue it. And why is there so much

814
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 4: less noise, so much less talk about reparations after the election.

815
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 4: We we just don't have a strategic plan in place

816
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 4: that everybody agrees with, so that things that are important

817
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 4: we we you know, we go with the win. We're

818
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 4: the dust people. Uh and uh, we don't stick to

819
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 4: the issues that are important to us. So answer your question,

820
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 4: we should not, you know, just give up on reparations.

821
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 4: But we should not let it stop us from doing

822
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 4: what we need to do. You do what, as I

823
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 4: mentioned earlier, doctor Pagen said her grandmother or big grandmother

824
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 4: used to say, you take and look at you. Washington

825
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 4: said the same thing, missed up, reach down with your

826
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 4: with your buckets right where you are, and begin to

827
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 4: raise yourself up. And then if you're going to get

828
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 4: some icing on the cake, you know, so that's the

829
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 4: flow from somewhere else later on, then you just blend

830
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 4: it in and use it wisely. But don't let that

831
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 4: the absence of it right now, that is reparations stop

832
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 4: us from moving forward and making progress, the kind of

833
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 4: progress that we can make when we get our minds right,

834
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: get a plan, and get everybody on the same page.

835
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Speaker 4: Wanted to move forward, to improve our conditions.

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Speaker 1: All right, Hold up, all right there, we got to

837
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: check the trafficing weather in our different cities when we

838
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: come back, though, because you mentioned the issue, the talk

839
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: of reparations that sort of fizzled out after the elections,

840
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: the presidential elections that we had last year. So the

841
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: question is we too invested in the Democratic Party? Should

842
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: we be looking to other parties as well of the

843
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: interest And I'm going to get to your thoughts when

844
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: we come back. Family YouTube can join our conversation at

845
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: doctor Brooks Robinson. Reach out to us at eight hundred

846
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy sixty. We'll take

847
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: your phone calls after the trafficking weather together. That's next,

848
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising Family are starting your Monday with us.

849
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: I guess this is doctor Brooks Robinson. Doctor Brooks Robinson

850
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: has part of a group that's put together a long

851
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 1: term strategic strategic plan for Black America. You can find

852
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: all that information at different websites. Said one is Blackconomics

853
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: blaconomics dot org, and he'll give you the other one

854
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: before he leaves. But my question to doctor Romson, because

855
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about leadership and what we deserve

856
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: and how we should you know, craft our own plan

857
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: going forward. This is what his group has been doing.

858
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: If we made a mistake by putting our limiting ourselves

859
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: to one political party at doctor Robinson, should we spread

860
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: it out or should or so we just just shoot

861
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: politics and move on And it doesn't matter because it

862
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: seems like either way we get, you know, we get

863
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Speaker 1: the short end of the stick either either party.

864
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Speaker 4: But your thoughts, well, there are any ways to answer

865
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 4: that question, but the all point to one to one thing,

866
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 4: and that is uh I saw with Malcolm next he said,

867
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 4: you know you've got dogs at wolves, you know, and

868
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 4: you got foxes. You remember that one, right he was

869
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 4: talking about Republicans and the Democrats. He says, no matter

870
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 4: how you look at it, they're all of the canine family.

871
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 4: So that answer right there is basically, you know, you're

872
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 4: going to deal with the same situation whether you're with

873
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 4: the Democrats of the Republicans. Then we should not forget

874
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 4: once upon a time we were not primarily Democratic as

875
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 4: a voting block. We were primarily Republican following Lincoln after

876
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 4: his successful presidency, unfortunately his assassination. So that's one way

877
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 4: of looking at it. That we should not put all

878
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 4: the eggs in one basket, that we should be more diverse,

879
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 4: just like in your investments, they say diversity is diversification

880
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 4: is important. I'll make the finally two points that I

881
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 4: think are important as well. In twenty fifteen, you wrote

882
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: a short paper. We were blessed to write that paper

883
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 4: on the Black Economics dot org. So I just called

884
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 4: why not a Black political Party? And I think it's

885
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 4: worth reading for those who might want to plot for

886
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 4: him what we're trying to say. But let me add

887
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 4: that let us also not forget there have been many

888
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 4: efforts to create our own black political party. For example,

889
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 4: the man who the billionaire who has been just torn

890
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 4: down in the courts. And I'm not an expert on

891
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 4: the legalities of what happened or why he was sentencing

892
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 4: and all of that the way he was. But sehn

893
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 4: Toty Combs, what did he do back in about twenty

894
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 4: sixteen or thereabouts. He gave, He gave money, He put

895
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 4: his money where his mouth was, and he started trying

896
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 4: to formulate what he called our own political party, our

897
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 4: own black party. And that may in part be one

898
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 4: of the reasons why he was attacked the way he

899
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 4: was not that he did or did not do wrong

900
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 4: or did wrong. That's not for me to even discuss.

901
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: The point is, when you start trying to oppose the

902
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 4: status quo, the system, you're gonna confront, you know, some opposition.

903
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 4: But he put money into trying to start a new party,

904
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 4: a black political party, and if we use our vote

905
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 4: wisely strategically, we can optimize the outcome. The problem has

906
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 4: not then that we didn't have, you know, the ability

907
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 4: to do it. But go back to about twenty one

908
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 4: when the Democrats were in well, the Democrats were in

909
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 4: full rooms in both Houses of Congress and reparations was

910
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 4: coming up. But the Black caucus said, hey, no, we're

911
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 4: not going to force the issue because we want to

912
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 4: win the mid terms. As opposed to saying this is

913
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 4: what black American needs, let's push it forward. No, they said, no,

914
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 4: we'll go with the party leadership. So, yeah, we need

915
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 4: to think more independently. This is what we've been talking

916
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 4: about the whole program. Think more independently, do things for

917
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 4: ourselves the way we can. We cannot count on politics alone.

918
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 4: We have to get together at the grassroots level and

919
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 4: every other level and explore the resources all kinds of

920
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 4: resources that we have in a strategic plan that we

921
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 4: all agree to or most of us agree to and

922
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 4: are willing to work the plan to get things done

923
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 4: that need to be done to improve our situation. Our

924
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 4: politics is just one aspect of it. Economics very much

925
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 4: at the center of it, and maybe even more important

926
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 4: is the mental frame of mind, the mental frame of

927
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 4: reference where we feel empowered, where we feel that we

928
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 4: are do what we are do and we just ain't

929
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 4: gonna take it no more. And when we get to

930
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 4: that point people agree on that, then I think we

931
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Speaker 4: will make some real progress.

932
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: All right.

933
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: Basically, you're saying that we should have our own black agenda,

934
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: and you've you've created a framework for a black agenda.

935
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: People listening right now, How can they help get because

936
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're open to modifications because you know, things

937
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: change or people change. It's like a chessboard. You got

938
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: to keep moving stuff around. If people want to help you,

939
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: doctor Robson, how can they reach you?

940
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 4: Well, you're talking about the Long Term Strategic Plan for

941
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 4: Black America once again. The website is l t SP

942
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 4: s b A. It is the acronym for Long Term

943
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 4: Strategic Plan for Black America. Then dot org dot org

944
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 4: and once you go to that website you'll see that

945
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 4: you'll see the process that we went through to arrive

946
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 4: at this plan. It is open to modification UH and

947
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 4: the grassroots organization we call it an implementation team, and

948
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 4: we are thankful to those who have worked, you know,

949
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 4: diligently and tirelessly in many respects to bring what is

950
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 4: there about UH. There, We're all sitting there waiting for

951
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 4: you while we're working to come aboard. And here the plan.

952
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 4: Look at the executive summary is nothing more. Consider it

953
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 4: design where you want to fit in. We're talking about

954
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 4: nine different areas of life that you know we need

955
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 4: to work in. And then just write to us. You'll

956
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 4: see the contact information on the contact us page. Write

957
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 4: to us, email us and say that I want to

958
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 4: volunteer help Black America go forward. A little bit. I

959
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 4: can do or you can. We all have to start

960
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 4: somewhere and decide we don't make progress no matter what.

961
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 4: We we get that mindset again, working on the mind

962
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 4: then we'll make progress.

963
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 3: Gotcha?

964
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: So so DoD give us the email address, folks and

965
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: reach you again.

966
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 4: Well, you can reach me specifically, and I'm the I'm

967
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 4: the Rapper Tour. I'm serving as a rapper tour for

968
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 4: the for the Long Term Strategic Plan for Black America

969
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 4: Implementation Team. My email address is just L T. S P.

970
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 9: S b A.

971
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 4: That's Long Term Strategic Plan for Black America dot bb

972
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 4: R at gmail dot com. Otherwise, you can write to

973
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 4: us at our website as well, Black Economics at Black

974
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 4: Economics dot org, Black Economics one Word at Black Economics

975
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 4: dot org, and you'll find some of the same content

976
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 4: on both websites. The Plan for sure, on both websites

977
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 4: and other works that we share across websites. We're just

978
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 4: trying to get the information out so people can see

979
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 4: what they can do to make things better for Black Americans,

980
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 4: because if we don't do it, I can ensure it

981
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 4: ain't gonna get done.

982
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: That is so true, and that's why we have you

983
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: on here to share their information with us this morning.

984
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: But we want to thank you because what time is

985
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: she out there in Honolulu?

986
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 4: Well, you know, Elsa, you just just kind of extended

987
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 4: my night, you know, just a little bit. It's one

988
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning here, just after n in the morning,

989
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 4: after one I think it's h ten after seven your time.

990
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:54,919
Speaker 3: Right right right?

991
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, listen, we appreciate you getting up staying

992
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: up for us in Hawaii to share this information with

993
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: us and keep us in the loop though, because you've

994
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: got the plan. So what's next? If next time you

995
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: come on, tell us what's next? What you what are

996
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 1: the plan to implement the plan? If you will, because

997
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 1: I think that's the stage you're at, or you still

998
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: you still put in the finishing touches on the plan.

999
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 4: No, the plan is there. We just need people. We

1000
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 4: need people. We need people to come aboard and help

1001
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 4: us get the work done. We're doing what we can,

1002
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 4: but we need more people to help us move forward

1003
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 4: on all aspects of the nine areas that we have

1004
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 4: established as focus points for doing work. We already have

1005
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 4: detailed expectations and detailed plans for all of those areas.

1006
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 4: We just need people come on as responsible parties. We're

1007
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 4: calling them responsible parties. Become our responsible party. Take on

1008
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 4: the responsibility to work what you can and what you

1009
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 4: can do orther. You're talking about economics or hell or

1010
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 4: how can the community develop that? Our education, our repreation,

1011
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 4: religion and culture, our social proctive whatever you want to

1012
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 4: work on, find your niel, your expertise, come aboard and

1013
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 4: help us get the job done. And we are thankful

1014
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 4: for all of those people who have spent all their

1015
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 4: their energy and time helping get this website and the

1016
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 4: plan together. They're waiting for you to come aboard and help.

1017
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, doctor Robinson, thank you for sharing

1018
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: your thoughts, and thank you for putting this plan into

1019
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: action for us. All Oh yes, ten minutes at the

1020
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: top of this bringing brother Obie now into the conversation,

1021
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: Grant rising, Brother Obi, welcome back to the program.

1022
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 4: Good morning Africa.

1023
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: I'm still learning, brother Obie. I'm still learning. How about yourself?

1024
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 3: You're good.

1025
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 9: And every day we wake up and get to embrace

1026
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 9: our historical responsibility in the front line.

1027
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 4: It's a perfect day.

1028
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 9: And thank you for the opportunity to be on this morning.

1029
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: I understand you got some young people with you. You've

1030
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: got a new program you're working with.

1031
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 9: Can you share that with us? What's different today? We

1032
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 9: have with us the leadership of the Kwameterray Society at

1033
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 9: Howard University. You have the president LaTrece Johnson, and you

1034
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 9: have our sister Delaney Lennard, and we're on today to

1035
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 9: talk about a historical tribute to the fallen warrior Asada

1036
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 9: Olubaila Shakur that'll be taking place at Howard University tomorrow

1037
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 9: evening from five to seven in the Black One Center.

1038
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 9: So it is with honor that I present these two

1039
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 9: young warriors once again, Latrees Johnson and Delaney Leonard, and

1040
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 9: they're going to talk about the event that they have

1041
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 9: coming up tomorrow and I'll answer questions in.

1042
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: The back end right twelve at the topic. How let's

1043
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 1: start with LaTrece latrese granam rising, Welcome to the program.

1044
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,479
Speaker 10: Good morning, Thank you for having me.

1045
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 1: Tell us how this was received, this idea that you wanted,

1046
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: you guys wanted to present something on behalf of a

1047
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: side of your court. How did this come about?

1048
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 10: Yeah, so when asadash Court passed, this is about a

1049
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 10: month ago, we really started venerating her off the bat.

1050
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 10: So the Quamate to Ray Society for Africana Studies is

1051
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 10: a Pan African study group that meets on Howard's campus

1052
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 10: once a week and when we're together, we engage in

1053
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 10: study of our revolutionary ancestors as well as a current

1054
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 10: events of course, and it's just a space to raise

1055
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 10: our political consciousness. There were some of our members who

1056
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 10: had never read her before, so we started reading her

1057
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 10: autobiography the week that she passed. And the event kind

1058
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 10: of came from a collective want to meet and gather

1059
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 10: and venerate the ancestors. And we just know so many

1060
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 10: people in our network that have been involved with the Sada,

1061
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 10: either they met her directly or they were on her

1062
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 10: legal team or things of that nature. So we just

1063
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 10: kind of pulled everything together and we're like, we want

1064
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 10: to make this a really special event to show our

1065
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 10: love and our our again veneration or deep honoring of

1066
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 10: this ancestor.

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00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: All right, fourteen at the top of our family, two

1068
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: students from Howard University here and they having a program

1069
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: for a Sada Chakoll. Let me speak to Delaney and

1070
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: Delaney Grant Rising. Welcome to the program.

1071
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 11: Good morning, brother, how are you.

1072
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: We're still learning, Delaney, you're on college campus. We have learning,

1073
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: but we're still learning even though those days are over

1074
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: to many of us. But tell us what was the

1075
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: reaction when you guys started talking about a Sada Shakur.

1076
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Speaker 1: Was there any pushback where the students supportive of what

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Speaker 1: you guys are.

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Speaker 11: Doing Yeah, So I would say that we have not

1079
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 11: received any pushback in terms of kts's presence on campus.

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00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 11: There's been a lot of work done not only by

1081
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 11: I KTS but also other radical organizations on campus to

1082
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 11: really start building out a community of students that is

1083
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 11: far reaching. Obviously, the goal of you know, any political

1084
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 11: organization is you know, to get our ideology in the

1085
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 11: hands of our people so we can use that political

1086
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 11: consciousness for further struggle. So that's been a big goal

1087
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 11: that a lot of the organizers on campus have had

1088
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 11: this year. And I think because of that work, and

1089
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 11: we did drop the Asada event, we were really just

1090
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 11: met with excitement and just sort of like an eagerness

1091
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 11: to engage with her legacy understand more about you know,

1092
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 11: what does it mean that you know, she was in

1093
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 11: Cuba for the entire rest of her life, right, Like,

1094
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 11: what is that? What does that mean politically? What does

1095
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 11: that mean for us today? So I think definitely no

1096
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 11: pushback at all. I would say like acceptance honestly in

1097
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 11: terms of folks from the radical community wanting to venerate

1098
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 11: this ancestor, but also just folks that are not you know,

1099
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 11: on Howard's campus that are excited and ready to be

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01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 11: a part of this event.

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01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad to hear that because a few years ago,

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01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: for some time ago, actually, I know, there was a

1103
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: president or of the Black studies about it at a

1104
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: pow High school and he had a hard time getting

1105
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: the black students a freshmen to come in to take

1106
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: Black Studies even as elective. And he was saying, you know,

1107
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: they were thinking about merging his department with the Hispanics

1108
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: and all that and just have one giant minority department,

1109
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: but he couldn't get the younger black students to get in.

1110
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you guys are on Howard, so

1111
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: it's a little different. But some of these students going

1112
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: through these predominant white institutions, they don't feel like they

1113
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, they want to know about our history. But

1114
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: you say, you don't have that particular problem with Howard, right,

1115
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: But I to you, Oh, I'm looking at clock. Hold

1116
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: second delayey, I'll let you respond to that when we

1117
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: get back. We got take a quick break. Seventeen minutes

1118
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: after the top of the Our Family. You want to

1119
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: jump in on this conversation with the assistans from the

1120
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: coromittory to Ray Society at Howard University. They having an

1121
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: event for a scholarship corps. Reach out to us at

1122
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy sixty. We'll

1123
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: take your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising family, thanks

1124
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: for starting your week with us. At twenty minutes after

1125
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 1: the top there o brother Obie's got two sisters from

1126
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: Howard University. They're part of the Kwame Tora Society putting

1127
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: on an event for Asana Shakur sister Latertian's sister, Delaney. So, Delaney,

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Speaker 1: the question I asked you before, did you have any

1129
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: problems attracting students, because as I mentioned the story, I

1130
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: told you that with the school there is a predominantly

1131
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: wine institution. The head of the Africana Studies department, in fact,

1132
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: I had this is way back because doctor Wilson had

1133
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: Doctor Wilson calling and speak to the students and Tony

1134
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: Browner as well, trying to get these students excited, you know,

1135
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: and here's some of our great scholars. But I don't

1136
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: know how much it did because because he still complained

1137
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: that you couldn't get students to come to you know,

1138
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: take black studies programs weren't. They weren't concerned about black issues.

1139
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: But I guess it's different on your camps at Howard.

1140
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 11: Yeah, so I would say that, and I'm so sorry

1141
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 11: about my voice. I am losing it a little bit.

1142
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 11: But I would say that, you know, there are definitely

1143
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 11: differences in the struggle that is present for Africana studies

1144
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 11: on a PWI and an hbs TU campus. So I

1145
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 11: would say that I wouldn't necessarily say that there's an

1146
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 11: issue of interest on Howard's campus because there are a

1147
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 11: lot of folks in the Africanic department, there are a

1148
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 11: lot of folks that come to KTS, there are a

1149
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 11: lot of folks excuse me, there are a lot of

1150
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 11: folks in the radical space in general. But I would

1151
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 11: say that writ large, you know, the community that we've

1152
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 11: been able to cultivate of conscious students, you know that

1153
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 11: are ready to go out there and fight for the community.

1154
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 11: I would say it's still relatively small on Howard's campus

1155
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 11: in comparison to the entire population. So while I would say,

1156
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 11: you know, there isn't necessarily that struggle for like, are

1157
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 11: students interested in Africana studies, But I would say that,

1158
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 11: you know, there's always that battle for AFRICANMA studies that

1159
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 11: is president even on an HBCU campus, because the nature

1160
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 11: of the study, you know, it threatens the nature of

1161
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 11: the institution. So there's always going to be that battle

1162
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 11: of you know, trying to promote Africana studies on a

1163
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 11: campus that ultimately is not seeking to writ large. And

1164
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Speaker 11: I'm talking about Howard University as an institution at this point,

1165
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 11: as a really as a corporation.

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Speaker 9: You know.

1167
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 11: That the ideology of AFRICANMA studies does stand in opposition

1168
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 11: to that. So I would say that there's always that

1169
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 11: struggle present, There's always that tension present between AFRICANMA studies

1170
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 11: and the institution on campus. But I would say to

1171
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 11: your question about student interests, I would say that, you know, overall,

1172
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 11: the population of students interested in AFRICANMA studies and in

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01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 11: the work that KTS is doing at Howard's campus, it

1174
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 11: is small, but it is still quite large compared to

1175
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 11: you know, me and the treat's freshman year. I mean,

1176
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 11: we remember coming in in the radical community being very

1177
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 11: very very small. So it has greatly expanded. But you know,

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Speaker 11: I don't want to frame it as like, oh, you know,

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01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 11: like Africana studies is so well protected just because we're

1180
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 11: at an HBCU or otherwise.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks for that explanation twenty three at the top.

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01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: Let's go switch over to other trees. So trace tell

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Speaker 1: us about this event for a Sada Shakur.

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Speaker 10: So it will be in the Blackburn Center on Howard

1185
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 10: University's campus in Room one four, and we'll start at

1186
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 10: five pm. We'll have a performance by the mass Emphasis

1187
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 10: Children's Theater and they'll be doing a drum performance for us.

1188
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 10: After that, we plan to have a collective conversation with

1189
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 10: uncle brother James Early, who is a very excellent, excellent person.

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01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 10: He's a very like renowned Cuba expert, so I expect

1191
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 10: him to talk about the country of Cuba and uh

1192
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 10: it's connection with the Sada Shakur.

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01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 11: Then we have.

1194
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 10: A catchy Tayso who is a human rights attorney and

1195
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 10: she works with a SADA. And then we also have

1196
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 10: doctor Kimsley Monroe who is an alum of Howard University.

1197
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 10: She teaches Africana studies at Trinity College. We'll also have

1198
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Speaker 10: the Cuba Zimbabwe Friendship Association and so that's obi she's

1199
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 10: on here today. And we have HG Abolitionists, which is

1200
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 10: another student group along with the Commentary Society. So we

1201
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 10: plan it to be kind of a more casual conversation

1202
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 10: rather than like a lecturer or something like that, because

1203
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 10: we want people who attend, both students and community members alike,

1204
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 10: to feel like they're welcome to speak, ask questions, and

1205
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 10: just be in a collective conversation with all of the

1206
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:45,919
Speaker 10: invited guests.

1207
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Speaker 1: You know, you guys seem kind of young, so it's

1208
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: not a not but you guys do really seem kind

1209
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: of young. At what point did you become aware of

1210
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: a son as your core?

1211
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, I had heard Ada the invoked all the time,

1212
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 10: just throughout my time organizing. I think I started organizing

1213
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 10: at like sixteen. I joined the All African People's Revolutionary

1214
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 10: Party at sixteen, so of course, like I had heard

1215
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 10: her name be invoked all the time. But I won't lie.

1216
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 10: I didn't read her autobiography until last summer while I

1217
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 10: was doing study abroad in Nigeria. But it was a

1218
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 10: very timely read for me because things were just kind

1219
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 10: of aligning up in such a way that was very spiritual.

1220
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 10: So I had heard about her, but I didn't really

1221
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 10: interact with her in her work, her memory, her words.

1222
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: Until last summer, right twenty five after the top of

1223
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: our family and just checking in, I guess for two

1224
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: students from Howard University there part of the kwame terracial

1225
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: side of here, and they're putting on an event for

1226
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: a side of Shakur. They just heard from Latresa and

1227
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: sister Delany is also with us. So, Sister Delaney, when

1228
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: you guys did your research about Aside of Shakur, is

1229
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: there anything that stood out to you like, Wow, this sister,

1230
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: this sister was really really on a different level than

1231
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: most of the sisters of her time.

1232
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1233
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Speaker 11: So I would say that for me, Asada has been

1234
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 11: very foundational to my politic, just in terms of the

1235
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 11: way that in her autobiography she writes about caring about humans,

1236
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 11: caring about just existence, caring about people, particularly African people.

1237
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 11: It was just I've never seen, at least up to

1238
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 11: the point when I've read this, I've never seen that

1239
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 11: level of care and spirituality really embedded in a radical politic,

1240
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 11: a politic that ultimately was like I'm willing to take

1241
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 11: up arms for my people, I'm willing to die for

1242
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 11: my people. So I think that level of just dedication

1243
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 11: towards the African struggle is something that I've always looked

1244
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 11: to emulate. It's something that I've always felt very close

1245
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 11: to because I feel very similarly about African people, about

1246
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 11: colonized people becoming So to see a woman really embody

1247
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 11: that so unapologetically and be so demonized for it and

1248
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 11: never ever falter, I think it's just such a it's

1249
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 11: it's like beyond inspiration. It's almost like she kind of

1250
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 11: gave us the blueprint of, you know, how to really

1251
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 11: embody struggle. But I would say, to answer your question

1252
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 11: a little bit more specifically about anything that stood out

1253
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 11: when just kind of researching her understanding her, I would

1254
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 11: definitely say her relationship to Cuba is something that we

1255
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 11: should be really intentional about highlighting as you know, we

1256
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 11: kind of move forward with, you know, assadas transition. I

1257
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 11: think that it's so meaningful and so important that we

1258
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 11: recognize that it was a socialist state, right, a socialist state,

1259
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 11: a state that is full of African people from the

1260
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 11: Diaspa that are practicing African modes of being through religion

1261
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 11: and through resistance right historically and currently. And I think

1262
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 11: it's there's something to be said about that, the fact

1263
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 11: that she was able to be in this state for

1264
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 11: the remainder of her life without compromise, you know, considering

1265
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 11: all that Cuba is battling itself, right I've been to

1266
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 11: Cuba twice in the past year, and these folks are

1267
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 11: struggling intensely, not only because of the blockade but also

1268
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,839
Speaker 11: because of other reasons. But we know that the blockade

1269
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 11: is a huge, huge deal.

1270
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 4: And the fact that, you.

1271
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 11: Know, folks from the Cuban government were willing to say no,

1272
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 11: we're not willing to give up Asada to you know,

1273
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 11: get the blockade removed, this genocidal policy that is like

1274
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 11: stripping you know, the people of medical aid, of food,

1275
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 11: of all these different things. The fact that they were

1276
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 11: still willing to, you know, essentially stand on business and

1277
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 11: say no, we're not going to give up a soda,

1278
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 11: We're not going to give up this. I think there's

1279
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 11: something really important and meaningful about that, and I hope

1280
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 11: that kind of with the Sada transition, more African people

1281
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 11: will feel inclined to be in solidarity with the African

1282
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 11: people that are on the island right now, because folks

1283
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 11: are definitely struggling. But the work is still continuing even

1284
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 11: on So that's I hope that kind of answered your question.

1285
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 3: He sure does.

1286
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 1: At thirty minutes out at the top, they are family

1287
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: that the folks on the island are bracing for a

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Speaker 1: visit from Hurricane Melissa just on the doorsteps of Jamaica

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Speaker 1: as we speak right now, as a category five the

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Speaker 1: highest rating to us, there's going to be a lot

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01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: of destructions. It plows through Jamaica, going on the way

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01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: to southern Cuba around by the Guantanamo Bay with their

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01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: naval basis and moves on to the Turks and Caicus

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01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: and the Bahamas and probably Bermuda. So to keep those

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Speaker 1: family members in prayer for us, those brothers and sisters

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Speaker 1: down there, and had our ships it sailed differently, we'd

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Speaker 1: probably be down there as well. Having said that, they

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01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: move over to Latrese. And if you're just checking in

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Speaker 1: Latrese and you just heard from Delating to both of

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Speaker 1: these sisters from Howard University, they're part of the Kwami

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01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 1: to raise society and they putting down event for a

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01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: sad of court. That's how Cuba got in the picture,

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01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 1: and a sodas course, you know, as Delaying mentioned she

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01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: shoes exile on the island for quite some time, and

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01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: the Cubans refused to give her up. Even with all

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01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: the blockade they could have gotten federal terms of different

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01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: Cuban leaders. Even after Fidel left, they still steadfastly stock

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01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: by a side of shakur. But let Truch, let me

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01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 1: ask you this still it just what the program that

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01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: you have coming up on campus this week? Is it

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01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 1: a focus on that or does it focus because you

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01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: know many people, well the government would like us to

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01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: focus on what happened on the Jersey Turnpike and they

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01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: shootout and the escape and all of that. Did you

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01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: get into that or you just get into her ideology

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01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: when she moved to Cuba or before she moved to

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01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 1: Cuba as well, because she had the anology before she left.

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Speaker 10: Mm hmm.

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01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I think the conversation tomorrow, while we can't really predict

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01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 10: how it's going to go or what things people might

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01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 10: bring up, well definitely discussed it if it comes up.

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01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 10: But obviously assad as a corp, like her entire life,

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01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 10: doesn't boil down to just that moment. I understand like

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01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 10: it was a turning point in her life, so I

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01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 10: unders and if it does come up, but at the

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01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,480
Speaker 10: end of the day, like she lived for almost eighty years,

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01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 10: like that's so much to talk about, So I can

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01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 10: see it's definitely talking about her introduction into the radical

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01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 10: space because she was a student in college just like us.

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01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 10: We'll likely talk about her upbringing, her parents and all

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01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 10: of those who surrounded her and her family that kind

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01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 10: of made her the woman that she was. And of

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01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 10: course we'll talk about her time while she was incarcerated

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01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 10: and her time while.

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Speaker 9: She was free.

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Speaker 10: So I really see the conversation as kind of encompassing

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01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 10: her entire life, both things that might be considered to

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01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 10: be you know, the good parts, and then also the

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01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,600
Speaker 10: things that were really difficult and you know, kind of

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01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 10: hard to talk about. I think it's important that we

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01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 10: remain you know, realistic and honest about everything that happened,

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01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 10: just so that people are you know, in a have awareness,

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01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 10: are conscious about her life and its entirety.

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Speaker 1: Well, this twenty eight away from the top of our

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01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: Family I mentioned, you can check it out this conversation

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01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:06,799
Speaker 1: with Assistan Literrecia just heard her and sist At Delady

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01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: from Howard University and part of the Quame to Racist

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01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: Satday and they're doing a program for as Sadashi Corps

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01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Let me ask you this though, did you

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01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 1: think the Cuban government were they appreciative of a Solace Cord?

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01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: Did they align themselves with her philosophy or was it

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01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: just that they was it just to thumb their nose

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01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: at the United States? Was this something to get back

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01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: at America? Or was there really embracing Asata? What does

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Speaker 1: your research showed you?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think we'd be doing anything speak to this

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01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,879
Speaker 10: question a little bit more. But I really seek Kusa's

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01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 10: decision to accept her as an asilence seeker as a

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01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 10: stance of solidarity and understanding what she went through and

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01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,679
Speaker 10: understanding the condition of black people in America. I see

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01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 10: it as a you know, kind of correct political analysis

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01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 10: to support such a woman and to use their relative

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01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 10: sovereignty and autonomy to protect somebody who was being persecuted

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01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 10: by an imperialist state.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but did do you think that I'll let me

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01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 1: put it to delaneying, so it's just a Delaney twenty

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01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: seven away from the town. Do you think that same

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01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 1: question I was just a phrase of different ways. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that what made the Cubans stand behind a

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01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: statishy course, not because of a statishy court and what

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01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 1: she stood for the fact they wanted to, you know,

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01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 1: sort of thumb they noses in the US, trying to

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01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: get back at America.

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Speaker 11: So I would say, and this is going to be

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01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 11: Delaney Leonards analysis, right, I would say the answer to

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01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 11: that question is no. And the reason why I don't

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01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 11: believe that this was a play to sort of get

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01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 11: back at the United States versus just a genuine show

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01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 11: of solidarity is because of the Cuban government's history of

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01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 11: demonstrating solidarity with other African nations historically.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 11: So I'll bring up the example particularly of Angola, and

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01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 11: Gola is about to be invaded by the South Africans.

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01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 11: They're struggling, they're trying to maintain their sovereignty, right, and

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01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 11: Cuba sends I believe it's three thousand soldiers with African descent,

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Speaker 11: men and women who volunteer willingly. They want to go

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01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 11: and support the angle and struggle because they see it

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01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 11: as their struggle one and the same. Right, So Fidell intentionally,

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Speaker 11: you know, he calls this eating in Cuba on a

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01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 11: malacon and he's like, yo, what are we going to do,

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01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,719
Speaker 11: what do y'all want to do? And he intentionally calls

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Speaker 11: out to all the folks of African descent on the island, because,

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Speaker 11: like I said, it is a huge African population in Cuba.

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Speaker 11: A lot of folks don't really have that perception of

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Speaker 11: the island just because of the associations with like, you know,

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01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 11: white Miami Cubans. But I can attest to the fact

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01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 11: that it is truly like it is Africans everywhere. But

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01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 11: either way, these folks are like, yeah, we want to

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01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 11: go fight, we want to go support this struggle. We

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01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 11: see this as our struggle. And so they did, and

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01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 11: they did this. The Cuban government sent these folks without

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01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 11: relying on the Chinese, without relying on you know, the

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01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 11: Soviet Union. It was just done because Fidel understood how

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01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 11: important Africa was to Cuba. He understood the contributions that

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01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 11: the African continent had made on the island purely because

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01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 11: of the fact of colonization. Right the island was built

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01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 11: up by enslaved Africans. And so when you go to

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01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 11: the island and when you talk to people, you talk

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01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 11: to African people, and you see they understand. And I

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01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 11: will say, you know, there's a different understanding of race

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01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 11: down there, but folks still understand that I am somebody

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01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 11: that is of African. Just said, I am still connected

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01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,919
Speaker 11: to the continent, and you see this in the religious

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01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 11: back in the cultural practices, et ce. So to answer

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01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 11: your question on whether or not, you know, accepting Asato

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01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 11: was more so a political move to sort of get

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01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 11: back at the United States, I personally don't believe so,

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01:16:56,200 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 11: just because of the other previous examples of Cuban solidity

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01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 11: with African struggle historically that I can kind of back

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01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 11: up that, you know, this is something similar to what

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01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 11: my sisters said. It's really not the This is something

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01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 11: that the Cuban government did because of you know, having

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01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 11: correct politics of you know, seeing the situation that our

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01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 11: sister was in and understanding that they had the ability

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01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 11: to take her in and productor. And so that's what

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Speaker 11: my analysis would be.

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Speaker 3: All right, holdor.

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01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: Brother Obie, hold on a secon We got to get

1430
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: caught up on the latest traffic news, whether or not

1431
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: different cities. I let you respond when we get back. Also, sisters,

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01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: I want to hear from you, what's your thoughts about

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01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: asatas the court did she interact with the Cuban people

1434
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: or its just was she isolated when she was there?

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01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: And if so, do you talk about this? I let

1436
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: you get in all that. We get back twenty three

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01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,879
Speaker 1: minutes away for the top day. Our family. Brother Obie's

1438
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 1: got two sisters from Howard University from the Kwame Terree

1439
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: Society and they're putting on a package, a plan, a play.

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01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: If you're will for us sat as your court, it's

1441
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: going to take place campus tomorrow. You want more information,

1442
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: you want to join us, reach out to us at

1443
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

1444
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls after the news. That's

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01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week

1446
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 1: with us. I guesst His brother Obi's brought two sisters

1447
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: from Howard University. They're part of the kwameter Ray Society

1448
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 1: and they're putting on a program for a Slaship cour

1449
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: on Tuesday on campus and want all of us to attend.

1450
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: So we'll give you more information about that in the moment.

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01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: Let me just remind you come up later this morning.

1452
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 1: We're going to speak to the founder of the Black

1453
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: Lawyers for Justice. That'll be Attorney Malik Shabbaz and later

1454
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: this week, futuristic researcher brother Sideka Bakari will join us

1455
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: gives an update on what's going on in the land

1456
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: of artificial intelligence. Also, the President General of the Universal

1457
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: Lamkin People's Organization, Brother Zaki Buruti, will be here and

1458
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 1: economists that doctor Julian Malveaux will also join us. So

1459
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your

1460
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB or if

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01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: we're in the dmv R on fourteen fifty WL. All right,

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01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 1: brother Obi, I know you want to chime in with

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01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 1: some things that go ahead.

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01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:00,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm just real quickly, Brother carl As you know

1465
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,879
Speaker 9: how people approached this question. First of all, the question,

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01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 9: I mean, the answer is emphatically known because Robert Williams,

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01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 9: after he dealt with the situation in Monroe, North Carolina

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01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 9: and defended our people militarily, he went to Cuba and

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01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 9: they protected him the whole time. Asada was down there,

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01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 9: she had a comrade who was right by his side

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01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 9: named Na Honda Obia Doom, so they were protecting her too.

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01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:33,719
Speaker 9: So that and in nineteen sixty seven when Kwame Terray

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01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 9: went and spoke for he representing the Student Non Violent

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01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 9: Coordinating Committee for the Organization of Latin American Solidarity Comandante

1475
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 9: Pidel Castro said that the United States touched one grain

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01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 9: on his head, they would retaliate, So they have a

1477
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 9: track record. These are people who want to separate do

1478
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 9: struggle in the United States from the struggle in Africa.

1479
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 9: So when as Mtrees brought up Africa and Delaney brought

1480
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 9: up Africa, these are people who will trying to say

1481
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 9: that that is different. So we and there's a whole

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01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 9: list we can speak to now in relationship to how

1483
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 9: Asada moved on the island for security reason, that is

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01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 9: something that we cannot and will not answer. But what

1485
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 9: we can do is we will refer people to the

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01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,799
Speaker 9: interview that she gave to Nissa Islam Muhammad, the Washington

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01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 9: Bureau chief of the Final Call, twenty two years ago,

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01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 9: that was published in all two hundred newspapers that make

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01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 9: up the National Newspaper Publishers Association. So people can go

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01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 9: to that archives and pull that view up that our

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01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:44,759
Speaker 9: sister Nissa did that we helped arrange. And lastly, most

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01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:49,879
Speaker 9: people's information reference is Carlos Moor's book. Castro the blacks

1493
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 9: in Africa. They're questioning the authenticity of Cuba embracing the

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01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 9: African liberation struggling both in the diaspora and on the continent.

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01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,719
Speaker 9: But if people look at the introduction of that book,

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01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 9: Carlos More thanks Ambassador Andrew Young for taking him to

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01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 9: the Ford Foundation to get the grant to write that

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01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 9: book in the first place.

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Speaker 1: And let me ask you, yeah, brother Obi, did was

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01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: there any pushback by any of the Cubans on the island.

1501
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: Did they ever say, well, I don't they just give

1502
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 1: a sada so that they can end up blocking.

1503
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 3: Life will be good?

1504
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 12: Never, never, never, just like there was no pushback when

1505
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,879
Speaker 12: Robert Williams was there, there was no pushback when Nihanda

1506
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 12: Obia Don was there, and there's never been.

1507
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:43,839
Speaker 9: Any pushback for any work they've done in African nations

1508
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 9: or Caribbean nations. And this is the reason that we're

1509
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 9: coming together tomorrow to give people updates on projects we

1510
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 9: have in ASADA's honor, to bring up what we plan

1511
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 9: to do in Africa, what we plan to do in

1512
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 9: the Caribbean, which we won't talk about today because don't

1513
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 9: want to let the cut out the bad So no, no, no, no, no, no,

1514
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 9: that's nonsense and it shouldn't even be entertained anymore. We

1515
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 9: didn't entertain it when she was alive. We're not going

1516
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 9: to entertain it while she's passing. There's a trail of

1517
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,799
Speaker 9: service that Cuba has offered in a multitude of areas

1518
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 9: that cannot be challenged and not be disputed by anyone.

1519
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 9: And those who do it, they basically expose where their

1520
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 9: point of references are coming from. That's why I wanted

1521
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 9: to give it to you. It's a book called Castro

1522
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 9: The Blacks in Africa that was paid for by the

1523
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 9: Ford Foundation in case people did not.

1524
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 4: Know, well, thank you for sh that in relationship.

1525
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 9: Once again, nor Hold real quickly in relationship to her

1526
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 9: secure her movement on the island. That is something that

1527
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 9: the three of us are not equipped to answer and

1528
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 9: will not attempt to answer. But she gave field questions.

1529
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 9: When Nissa Islam Muhammad of the Final Call interviewed her,

1530
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 9: she went into that a little bit. Best to let

1531
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 9: her words capture the essence and magnitude of what that

1532
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 9: meant to her. All we're doing is highlighting projects we're

1533
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 9: doing moving forward in her name.

1534
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: Because brother Obi just heard brother Obi, and also he

1535
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: has two students from Howard University with us a family.

1536
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: We have a sister Latrece's assistant Delaney, having a program

1537
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 1: for the Satasha cour on campus tomorrow Tuesday, and we're

1538
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: gonna give you more information about that. So let me

1539
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 1: go back to the sisters. Then, I think we spoke

1540
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 1: to Latrice to the last, so let's go to a

1541
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: sister Delaney. So, Sister Delaney, of all the stuff that

1542
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 1: you heard about a Satasha court, when you present it

1543
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: to your group at Howard, were they receptive of doing

1544
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: the program that Brother Obi is outlined.

1545
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, absolutely. Just to touch on kind of a

1546
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 11: little bit more on how the program came into being,

1547
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 11: Brother Obi got connected with myself over the summer and

1548
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 11: I further introduced him to the rest of the leadership

1549
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 11: body as four of us, shady On, Julie, the Truth

1550
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 11: and myself, and we really just kind of started working

1551
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 11: with him and building with him. We knew that we

1552
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 11: wanted to start integrating more community based organizations such as

1553
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 11: His Mass Emphasis, Children's head and the Cuba Zimbabwe Friendship Association.

1554
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 11: We wanted to bring these folks onto campus and start

1555
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 11: integrating the like that Yeah, there's community organizing that it's

1556
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 11: happening right bias that is internationally focused, and that's really

1557
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 11: really important. So yeah, we kind of just I mean,

1558
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 11: really the event came into beings from a conversation that

1559
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 11: I had with Bobi on the phone following ASADA's passing,

1560
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 11: and we understand the significance of Howard, and we understand

1561
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 11: these significance of having an event to honor Asada at

1562
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 11: a place like Howard. So it was it was it

1563
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 11: was a pretty i would say, straightforward process in terms

1564
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 11: of actually formulating the event. When I came back to

1565
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 11: the rest of the group and told them about it,

1566
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 11: kind of similar to what Lichisa has said, Like Asada

1567
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 11: has been very foundational in all of our politics. We

1568
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 11: all understand her significance very deeply, and so it was

1569
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 11: kind of a no brainer to you know, bring her legacies,

1570
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 11: bring veneration of her onto campus, and allow it to

1571
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 11: be a space leffles from the community can also come

1572
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 11: and engage with as it kind of collectively grieve but

1573
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 11: also collectively think about what does her past and her

1574
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 11: transition mean for us moving forward? What work do we

1575
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 11: need to make sure that we are upholding and carrying

1576
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 11: forward all right.

1577
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 4: And as said.

1578
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 9: No and as delaying brilliantly outlined and chronicles, we were

1579
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 9: doing work around the Sada before her past, because when

1580
01:25:55,720 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 9: we met, you had us on. On July thirtieth, launched

1581
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:04,759
Speaker 9: a project called the Assada Shakur Pauline Lamouonba Project, which

1582
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 9: is to focus on assistant Cuba's medical efforts on the

1583
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 9: African continent and then her presidential Capacityltrese Johnson was the

1584
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:17,440
Speaker 9: first speaker, so they reaffirmed their solidarity to that project,

1585
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 9: and we did that in July, so that was our

1586
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 9: first interaction with each other.

1587
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 4: So it was a no.

1588
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 9: Brainer that we were going to do this, and I

1589
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 9: wanted to just highlight that because we've been collaborating on

1590
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 9: doing things and the working tributes to Asada before her passion.

1591
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 1: Let me go to La Tresa on this question Laterresa,

1592
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 1: do you have any any of your professors and the

1593
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 1: teachers the administrators at Howard who advised us and helping

1594
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 1: you guys navigate putting on events like this or this

1595
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 1: sort of just leave you guys to alone.

1596
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:56,839
Speaker 10: Oh, yeah, for sure. So kame Terra Society has existed

1597
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 10: for twenty five years, so this year actually makes it

1598
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:05,839
Speaker 10: twenty fifth cycle of KTS meeting. Officially, we have multiple

1599
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 10: professors that teach in Africana Studies in the Afro American

1600
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 10: Studies Department on campus that are KTS alumnis, so we

1601
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 10: work very closely with them.

1602
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 4: I'll just learn them.

1603
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 10: That would be doctor Joshua Miles and doctor Schmise Thompson.

1604
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 10: They both really keep they really keep in contact with

1605
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 10: us and we're you know that we can ask any

1606
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 10: type of questions. They're very supportive. Honestly, all of the

1607
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 10: Afrikana Department is very supportive of KTS initiatives. And then

1608
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 10: of course we have people like Obi, who I think

1609
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 10: he's a great resource because he just knows so many people.

1610
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 11: So when it.

1611
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 10: Came to organizing this event, it was more of a yeah,

1612
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 10: like we told like one person, Hey, we're trying to

1613
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 10: put on this event, like is there anyone that you

1614
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 10: think we should invite to come speak? And they're like yeah,

1615
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 10: Like here's their contact information. We reach out to them

1616
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 10: and they're like yeah, like I'll come. So it's just

1617
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 10: a very communal thing and yeah, we have a lot

1618
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 10: of support from the Alco American Studies Department.

1619
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: That's good to hear, because I know at some point

1620
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 1: Cometary did have some contentious events at Howard. So it

1621
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: seems like everything's forgiven now, or I guess time has

1622
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 1: erased the memory of what some people who are on

1623
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: campus at the time had disputes with him. So I'm

1624
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 1: glad to hear that, you know, the brothers and sisters

1625
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 1: coming together and honoring and keeping this.

1626
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,879
Speaker 4: Go ahead, real, no, real, quickly.

1627
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 9: Howard University always considered, they told Kwame on numerous occasions,

1628
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 9: and at his last conversation on campus in nineteen ninety

1629
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 9: eight in the Ranking Chapel, the fires Chat Conversation, they said,

1630
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 9: Howard University is his home away from home and one

1631
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 9: of his biggest fundraisers. When he was bottling the cancer,

1632
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 9: a thousand people came to crams. So, brother Kwame, he

1633
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 9: had whoever had opposition to kume. Yeah, campus watch in

1634
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 9: particular two Ray Archer and William King knowing in our

1635
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 9: community as demanded. So I just wanted to tell you

1636
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 9: that you, brother Climb, he had unconditional love on that campus.

1637
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,799
Speaker 9: And as a matter of fact, the All African People's

1638
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 9: Revolutionary Party in the United States was launched in nineteen

1639
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 9: seventy two on Howard's campus. So the support system for

1640
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 9: the AAPRP at Howard University, it goes without saying. So

1641
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 9: whoever had opposition to him, they had to whistle it,

1642
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 9: and they had to be very careful what they said

1643
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 9: and how they said it. I just wanted to share

1644
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 9: that very important to.

1645
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,560
Speaker 1: Know and I'm glad you did. And I'm glad to

1646
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 1: hear that as well. Four away from the top, dare

1647
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 1: we got to step aside and get caught up in

1648
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 1: the ladies trafficking weather in our different cities. When we

1649
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: come back that we'll close out with our group. If

1650
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 1: you just hear that's brother Obie. He's got two students

1651
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: from Howard University with us, Sister Latresa's. They're putting on

1652
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: a program for a Sadashi Corps. It's going to take

1653
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 1: place on the Howard campus on Tuesday evening and you're

1654
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 1: all invited. If you want more information, just reach out

1655
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,679
Speaker 1: to us right now at eight hundred four five zero

1656
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six. We'll take your phone calls. After

1657
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: the trafficking weather it's next and Grand Rising family, and

1658
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 1: thanks for starting your week with us. So we're speaking

1659
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:22,639
Speaker 1: with brother Obi. He's got two sisters from Howard University,

1660
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: a part of the Kwame Tore Society and they're having

1661
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 1: a program for a Satishi Corps on Tuesday, and Brother Obi,

1662
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: Sister Fahima has a question for you guys. She's on

1663
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:35,680
Speaker 1: Alligned seventy Grand Rising Sister for Hima. You're on with

1664
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 1: Brother Obi and also Latrice and Delaney.

1665
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 13: Yes, good morning, thank you for taking my call, mister

1666
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 13: Nelson and greening to my young fellow Addison sisters there

1667
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 13: and two Brother Obi. First, I want to make a

1668
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 13: comment and pose a question. When I was a student

1669
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 13: my first semester at Howard University, I was invited by

1670
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 13: sister Yahs to be on that planning committee for that

1671
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:07,719
Speaker 13: tribute that Brother Obi mentioned at Crampton Auditorium. I also

1672
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 13: had the pleasure of being in Rank and Chapel when

1673
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 13: the late ancestor Kwametory gave his historic presentation. And also

1674
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 13: there were two how To lumns who made sure that

1675
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 13: brother Kwamittoy got a posthumous doctorate degree from Howard University.

1676
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 13: And I'll let Brother Obi elaborate on that, but my

1677
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 13: question is will this event be live? Stream because unfortunately

1678
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 13: I won't be able to physically be there.

1679
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's a good question, and I know lots of

1680
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 10: people have not question as well. We pysically don't live

1681
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:54,440
Speaker 10: stream our events or our meetings for one reason. Security

1682
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:58,759
Speaker 10: is concerned for us. Sometimes we don't really know who

1683
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 10: is watching, and we value in person meetings and things

1684
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 10: like that. So we will definitely be sharing photos from

1685
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 10: the event and clips so you can if you have Instagram,

1686
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 10: you can definitely tap in and truck that after the event.

1687
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 10: But unfortunately know we won't.

1688
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:16,719
Speaker 14: Be live streaming.

1689
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 13: I do understand and respect that. And a brother Obi

1690
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 13: Kin briefly talk about the posthumous degree that was awarded

1691
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 13: to our ancestor Kwametoray during a commencement a number of

1692
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 13: years ago.

1693
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 9: Wow, my like mind function. Like mind function the way

1694
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 9: they do before we closed out, I was going to

1695
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 9: mention that in nineteen ninety nine, in its capacity as

1696
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 9: the student the use of student representative to the Board

1697
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 9: of Trustee, former Howard University Student Administration President Jonathan Hutson,

1698
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 9: who's the first Houston president to go to Cuba, by

1699
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 9: the way, went for the International Youth Festival. Shout out

1700
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 9: to him as he's listening. He spearheaded Jane a brother

1701
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 9: named Doc Randy Short twushed for James Farmer to get

1702
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 9: a degree, and Jonathan pushed for Kwame Terray to get

1703
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 9: an honorary degree from Howard University. So he got an

1704
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 9: honorary degree. Brother Paul and listeners honorary PhD from Howard

1705
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 9: University one year after his passing. And the very most

1706
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 9: interesting thing about that is Colin Powell was on the

1707
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 9: boarded trustees when that happened, and he moved out of

1708
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 9: the way and had nothing and didn't do anything about that.

1709
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 9: Because if you know their history, you know that they

1710
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 9: grew up in the same neighborhood, attended the same elementary

1711
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 9: school ps for thirty nine in the Bronx Colon Powell

1712
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 9: four years ahead of Quanton. And the very first thing

1713
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:00,560
Speaker 9: we did with the Kwameterray Society twelve years ago was

1714
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 9: our children's play, same neighborhood, different perspectives, a conversation between

1715
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 9: General Colem Powell and Kwameterra. So he had that level

1716
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 9: of support that Howard University. If you understand the bureaucracy,

1717
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:16,640
Speaker 9: if you understand the politics, there was no resistance whatsoever.

1718
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 9: To brother Kwame getting an honorary degree, and his beautiful

1719
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 9: mother May Charles as we affectionately call her the elder

1720
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 9: of Mabel Carmichael, was brought in in person to be

1721
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:33,600
Speaker 9: involved in that process, and later on she was honored

1722
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 9: as the National Council of Negro Women and doctor Dorothy

1723
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 9: Heyde told the story of how when Kwame was freedom writing,

1724
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,719
Speaker 9: he had ran up a phone bill and he couldn't

1725
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 9: get back into school, and the National Council of Negro

1726
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 9: Women and Dorothy Heyde paid off the phone bill. Wow,

1727
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 9: hope I didn't take up too much time responding.

1728
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 1: No, No, that's that's a beautiful story right there, b Obie,

1729
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 1: and we got that attorney leak shack. But before we

1730
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:05,280
Speaker 1: go to attorney league, brother Saku's calling from Baltimore. Has

1731
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:08,120
Speaker 1: a question for you or comedies online one grand rising

1732
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 1: brother sa Cou. You're only brother Obi, the sister Latrice

1733
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 1: and the.

1734
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 4: Sister John Bo. What's up? What's up? Sircuse?

1735
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,719
Speaker 14: Hey, brother Obie, did did you write the book Paying

1736
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 14: African Leadership?

1737
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 9: No?

1738
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 4: No, sir, the only the only writer. Yeah, I didn't.

1739
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:34,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, long long.

1740
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 14: Person, Okay, listen, we're where where the Kwame two wig

1741
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 14: uh event. We're focused on his envolvement from integration doing

1742
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 14: sittings to a revolutionary leader because you know I signed,

1743
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 14: I signed a lot of people.

1744
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 9: No, no, brother, cool, hold on, hold on the event.

1745
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:02,599
Speaker 9: The event tomorrow night is to honor Assarde of Shakur.

1746
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 9: It is being put on by the Kwame to raise society.

1747
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 14: Okay, I understanding that, But I think it's gonna be

1748
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:19,759
Speaker 14: hard not to talk about Quam correct because it will.

1749
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 4: Be it will be durn. But go ahead and ask

1750
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 4: you because as the question, Okay.

1751
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:31,919
Speaker 14: My question is will that event focus on the environment

1752
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 14: of t the m and supporting the liberation movements in

1753
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:42,960
Speaker 14: Africa that came to power under doctor nette and doctor

1754
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 14: Netteo's daughter boasting bragging about having become a billionaire. That

1755
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 14: is not the adjective of revolution, and folk have to

1756
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 14: be made to understand that that was a petty bourge

1757
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 14: wild reformation, just like the movement in South Africa under

1758
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 14: Nelson Man gently was a petty bourgeois reformation, which is

1759
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 14: why he's still underwag domination. But his sister shot outside

1760
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 14: of shot court. He is truly a revolutioner. And I

1761
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 14: know they are people who identify with her now after

1762
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 14: she's deceased, which they would not identify with her when

1763
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 14: she was lifted.

1764
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:24,680
Speaker 3: For your car.

1765
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 9: We yeah, we want to be generous with the time

1766
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,679
Speaker 9: we're running over because there's a response of the runover

1767
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 9: and thank you, Brother Karl, for being so generous of

1768
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 9: the time. So the answer is yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

1769
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 9: we we will. We will put all of that in

1770
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 9: context and in the time we're afforded, we will. We

1771
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 9: will do that because our time will be short. The

1772
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 9: young sisters want more of a conversation, but we promise

1773
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:54,160
Speaker 9: everybody we will. We will highlight those things. And Brother

1774
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 9: Carl is a very crafty brother. He tries to get

1775
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,320
Speaker 9: us to do the program before the program. So we

1776
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 9: still love them though, so we were purposely deliberately general today.

1777
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 9: We were purposely a deliberate, deliberate and wanting the sisters

1778
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 9: to be heard because of what they are doing to

1779
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 9: show the cross generational harmony, which was necessary to do this,

1780
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 9: and that's what we're doing. And Brother Carl, like he

1781
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 9: always does, is going to post the flyer we sent

1782
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 9: him on his Facebook page that thousands of people in

1783
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 9: the DC metropolitan area always look at so we off

1784
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:31,839
Speaker 9: to see them tomorrow.

1785
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:36,639
Speaker 1: All right, give us again the details of tomorrow time

1786
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 1: on campus where on campus.

1787
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 10: It'll be the room number in the Blackburn Center room

1788
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:51,639
Speaker 10: from five to seven pm plus tomorrow Tuesday, October twenty eight.

1789
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 4: All right, and thanks.

1790
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 9: You got from five to seven and we got to

1791
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 9: get out of there at seven o'clock too.

1792
01:38:58,439 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 4: So we're so.

1793
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 9: Thankful to the young sisters for making it happen. And

1794
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:04,719
Speaker 9: it's going to be an honor to share their time

1795
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 9: with so many people. Long live a Sada, Long lived Cuba,

1796
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 9: Long live the African fighting spirit.

1797
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:14,640
Speaker 4: Thank you Carl as always.

1798
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Brother Obi, thank you Litrice, thank

1799
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 1: you Delaney, Thank you guys, and keep up, keep up

1800
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 1: the spirit of a sada on campus even when this

1801
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 1: is over. Thank you guys for doing that. All right, family,

1802
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 1: ten after the top there, I lets bring another bison

1803
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 1: to the conversation here. That'll be a turning maleak Shabazz

1804
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 1: Grahind Rising, Attorney Malik, welcome back to the program.

1805
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 4: Rising Brother Carl Nelson and students at Howard University kwame

1806
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 4: to raise society and Brother Obie Booner, good morning to

1807
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:44,720
Speaker 4: you all.

1808
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 1: I know you you want to say something about his

1809
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 1: sister Shata as well.

1810
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 4: Oh I co signed the appreciation for Sister Queen the

1811
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:08,439
Speaker 4: Sataship Corps. We mourned her passing and we remember, you know,

1812
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 4: how she got to Cuba, why she got to Cuba,

1813
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:17,200
Speaker 4: and you know, in reviewing her history, we make no

1814
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:20,680
Speaker 4: pretensions about it. She was a she was a revolutionary.

1815
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 4: She was a major leader of the of the Black

1816
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 4: Liberation Army. She was a former black passer and honest

1817
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 4: to also soon be out of Okolie and Zaide Shakur

1818
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 4: comrades who fought it out on the New Jersey Turnpike.

1819
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 4: And she was liberated. She was liberated from a United

1820
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 4: States prison by other revolutionaries in nineteen seventy nine. And

1821
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:51,679
Speaker 4: that's how she got to Cuba. And and so Cuba

1822
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 4: is to be lauded, like I guess, standing up for

1823
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:57,720
Speaker 4: somebody that stood up for us. And we have to

1824
01:40:57,800 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 4: know that this sister here that we talk about us

1825
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:03,640
Speaker 4: out of Shakour, she's a She's a real live revolutionary

1826
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 4: to put it all on the line for a suffering

1827
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 4: and oppressed people. So I'll be at Howard University well

1828
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:12,920
Speaker 4: with the students that back in my Alma Mater and

1829
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:17,839
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be there with brother Obion and I'm honored

1830
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,679
Speaker 4: to participate in such activity.

1831
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 1: All right, twelve after the top hour, If we'll get

1832
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 1: into the meat of your conversation, a couple of legal

1833
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 1: updates you who you want to share with us from

1834
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:31,520
Speaker 1: as founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice.

1835
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, sir as lead as league counselor for Black

1836
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:39,599
Speaker 4: Lawyers for Justice, and uh in my law practice here

1837
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 4: in this area law officers of my leakship, buys. I

1838
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,640
Speaker 4: want to to say that we've reached a couple of

1839
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 4: resolutions between cases I've talked about here before. I've spoke

1840
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 4: on some music cases. I think the other week of

1841
01:41:55,439 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 4: Collin Muhammad's a State and their actions towards Deaf Jam Records,

1842
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:09,680
Speaker 4: Universal Records and that put out classic albums Macavelly, The

1843
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 4: Don Calluminati, the Seven Day Theory by Tupac's last album

1844
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 4: which features Kali Muhammad and public enemies. Awesome, legendary album.

1845
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:25,400
Speaker 4: Talking about it takes a nation of millions to hold

1846
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 4: us back. You know, it features Colin Muhammad and many

1847
01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 4: people don't know what Colin Muhammad is. That voice on

1848
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 4: the Night of the Living Base head as well. We did.

1849
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 4: We have litigation and court action against him in California

1850
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:44,639
Speaker 4: because we want doctor Colin Muhammad to receive his named

1851
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 4: credit and his royalties from these projects so that they

1852
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 4: can help his estate and the revolutionary work that is

1853
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:58,360
Speaker 4: a state is doing to keep his legacy alive. And

1854
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 4: so I say all that to say that that we

1855
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 4: did not and that we reached a resolution in one

1856
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:07,960
Speaker 4: of those matters. And that's what the brothers that were

1857
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 4: not soothed. But we were able to reach a resolution, uh,

1858
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 4: with the representatives of Pete Rock and Common, Pete Rock

1859
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:22,599
Speaker 4: and Common for their album that they released together joint

1860
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:26,840
Speaker 4: album last year on the Auditorium. It's called the Auditorium.

1861
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:32,759
Speaker 4: And on that song, so many people, uh, they used

1862
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 4: the voice of Kylie and Mohammad and and and I

1863
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 4: guess they didn't get it clear with his family or

1864
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 4: with us. But we're pleased to announce that amicably that

1865
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 4: we've we resolved this matter. We didn't have to go

1866
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 4: into court with against our brothers and their representatives, that

1867
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:55,799
Speaker 4: we have resolved it and that Kali Muhammad will forever

1868
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:00,599
Speaker 4: have named credit on this album, The Auditorium by Pete

1869
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:06,680
Speaker 4: Rock and common he has named credit he he and

1870
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 4: he and then for undisclosed royalties for past and future

1871
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:18,760
Speaker 4: that colin Muhammad's estate and his legacy, which is striving

1872
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:27,640
Speaker 4: to build a museum, training institutions and documentaries about College Muhammad.

1873
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 4: That that it has been resolved and you will forever

1874
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 4: see his name on that album. And we hope to

1875
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 4: reach similar agreements if we can with these other record

1876
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:44,160
Speaker 4: labels and executives, and hopefully this will resolve it so

1877
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 4: we don't have to enjoy put an injunction and stop

1878
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:49,040
Speaker 4: and shut all those labels down. We don't want to

1879
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 4: do that, and so we we we want to purport

1880
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:56,000
Speaker 4: some progress in that area. Okay, Also locally on a

1881
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:59,679
Speaker 4: case I think I've talked about here Hawkins versus Prince

1882
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 4: Jewe County.

1883
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 1: Right and hold, I thought right there a council, we

1884
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 1: got to take a step aside for a few moments.

1885
01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 1: We come back. I don't want to break the turn.

1886
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 1: I thought we'd come back. But also we had the

1887
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 1: anniversary of the million man march MILLI and woman march.

1888
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 1: But what about the million youth March. I want you

1889
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:16,680
Speaker 1: address that as well. And we get back and then

1890
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:19,240
Speaker 1: we talk about the court cases you're working on. Family,

1891
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 1: you want to join our conversation with our guest is

1892
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:23,679
Speaker 1: Attorney Elik Shabbas. He's the founder of the Black Lawyers

1893
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:25,720
Speaker 1: for Justice. You can reach us an eight hundred and

1894
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

1895
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:31,519
Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks

1896
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:33,639
Speaker 1: for starting your week with us. It's twenty minutes after

1897
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 1: the top of they out with our guest, attorney Elique Shabbaz.

1898
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,679
Speaker 1: Attorney Milik is the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice.

1899
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:40,880
Speaker 1: He's their lead council. Before we left, though, he was

1900
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 1: about to give us some information about the case he's

1901
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:45,400
Speaker 1: working on in Prince George's county. But before we do that, though,

1902
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 1: because last week we talked about the anniversary of the

1903
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 1: Million Man March or the Million Woman March, but no

1904
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 1: talk about the Million Youth March. I know you were

1905
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 1: involved with that with brother Colly, So what's going on

1906
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:57,599
Speaker 1: with that, Attorney Melik.

1907
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 4: Okay, we'll come right that Million Youth March again. But

1908
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:05,240
Speaker 4: I want to thank brothers Common and Pete Rock for

1909
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:09,400
Speaker 4: for being honorable and honoring black excellence and standing up

1910
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:13,920
Speaker 4: for college Muhammad and resolving that legal action. And I

1911
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 4: do want to say that another case that I talked

1912
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 4: about on here, which is against Prince George's County Police

1913
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:25,519
Speaker 4: officer Anthony Brooke. Anthony Brooke, you've read about him, heard

1914
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:29,840
Speaker 4: in the news with his with his text messages that

1915
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:33,920
Speaker 4: accused him of racism and the Prince George's County Police Department. Well,

1916
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 4: I want to say that that matter has been respolved

1917
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 4: in mister hawkins favor, has been resolved in mister hawkins

1918
01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 4: favor as his attorney, and mister Hawkins is a is

1919
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:50,519
Speaker 4: a happy man forgetting some justice and Officer Brooke was

1920
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 4: held accountable. Okay, So I want to come here to

1921
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:56,719
Speaker 4: the Million Youth March. Yes, we've honored the Million Man

1922
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 4: March very recently. Uh thirty year anniversary of the Million

1923
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 4: Man March took place around the country and I was

1924
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 4: wanted happy to be along with brother Obie, one of

1925
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:15,719
Speaker 4: the wrong organizers for that great effort of nineteen ninety

1926
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:19,639
Speaker 4: five and one of the children of the Million Men

1927
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:25,800
Speaker 4: March convened by doctor Khalied Mohammad, who also struggled for

1928
01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 4: that great march in ninety five. Well, the child of

1929
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:33,600
Speaker 4: the million Man March. One of its children, like the

1930
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 4: Million Woman March, was the Million Youth March convened by

1931
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 4: doctor Khalid Mohammad. I was in nineteen ninety eight Harlem,

1932
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:47,720
Speaker 4: New York. I was blessed to be his attorney and

1933
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 4: his youth organizer, and after several court battles in federal court,

1934
01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 4: we were victorious over a New York City government won

1935
01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 4: those rights to march, won the rights to march, and

1936
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 4: had convened this infamous rally in Harlem. And due to

1937
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:15,120
Speaker 4: the acrimony between Rudy Rudy Giuliani, y'all know Jiuliani on

1938
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:17,920
Speaker 4: a national level. We know him as a as a

1939
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:24,200
Speaker 4: Republican mayor of New York that powerted his strong strengths

1940
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:29,639
Speaker 4: against so called crime and his clash with doctor Khaleed

1941
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 4: Muhammad around this led to the infamous events of the

1942
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 4: September fifth, nineteen ninety eight Million Youth March. And it's

1943
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:44,880
Speaker 4: forever a great day in my life and Khaleed Muhammad's life.

1944
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:48,519
Speaker 4: And I'm happy to report to summarize. I'm happy to

1945
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:54,400
Speaker 4: report that in the spirit of continuation of why we

1946
01:48:54,479 --> 01:49:00,920
Speaker 4: mobilize Million Man March, Million Youth March, say that that

1947
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:06,200
Speaker 4: your brother Malik Zulu Shabaz, a student of Khalid Muhammad,

1948
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:13,440
Speaker 4: and Lewis Farakhan, amongst many others, still organizing and building

1949
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:17,640
Speaker 4: and fighting in this liberation struggle, which is the objectives

1950
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:20,640
Speaker 4: of those marches, that we keep struggling and fighting on

1951
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 4: a higher level. So I'm checking in and reporting in, Sir,

1952
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:25,559
Speaker 4: and I have a reporter.

1953
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 3: Well good.

1954
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 1: You know, some people didn't understand how the what happened

1955
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:33,400
Speaker 1: at the Million Youth March. Can you share that with us?

1956
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:37,400
Speaker 4: Okay? Well, what happened was again the build up of

1957
01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:42,240
Speaker 4: tensions here. In nineteen ninety eight, which was probably doctor

1958
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:50,160
Speaker 4: Khalid Muhammad's greatest revolutionary year, James Bird was murdered in Jasper, Texas,

1959
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:55,760
Speaker 4: and a militant and radical Khaleed Mohammad, appeared as the

1960
01:49:55,880 --> 01:50:00,320
Speaker 4: leader of the New Black Panther Party, the emerging New

1961
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:03,839
Speaker 4: Black Panther Party in honor of the legacy of the

1962
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:09,759
Speaker 4: notorious Black Panther Party, and so this made national news.

1963
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:14,160
Speaker 4: Was this put Collin Muhammad in a very strong political

1964
01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 4: position in nineteen ninety eight, and at the same time

1965
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:22,519
Speaker 4: we had moved on the James Bird situation and against

1966
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 4: the Klan running the Klan out of Jasper, Texas, and

1967
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 4: the New Black Panther Party came to light for that

1968
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:37,599
Speaker 4: armed demonstration and Muhammad at the center of it. The

1969
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:41,679
Speaker 4: same time, we were pressing for the Million Youth March

1970
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:47,040
Speaker 4: for September fifth, ninety eight in New York. At this time,

1971
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:52,360
Speaker 4: Colin Muhammad had been in limbo in his status with

1972
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:56,040
Speaker 4: the Nation of Islam, and as detailed in my book,

1973
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:59,280
Speaker 4: The Book of Colin, at this point in time nineteen

1974
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:04,760
Speaker 4: ninety eight, Aled Muhammad made a firm decision to advance

1975
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:10,519
Speaker 4: his leadership as best team knew how and so what

1976
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:16,600
Speaker 4: happened was a strong and fearless black man, Colin Mohammad

1977
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:22,000
Speaker 4: announced his event and a white man, Rudy Giuliani, who

1978
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:25,840
Speaker 4: was felt himself equally as strong as a white man,

1979
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:30,720
Speaker 4: and he controlled the city. They clashed, and Giuliani all

1980
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:35,760
Speaker 4: our negotiations with the city as the attorney. The negotiations collapsed.

1981
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:37,920
Speaker 4: We had to go into court. The court ruled in

1982
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:40,720
Speaker 4: our favor, but all along the way there was a

1983
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:46,839
Speaker 4: war of words between Mohammad and Giuliani, and Giuliani himself

1984
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:50,519
Speaker 4: admitted he had never heard rhetoric like this since the

1985
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:55,720
Speaker 4: nineteen sixties, as he had met his match with Kaled Mohammad,

1986
01:51:55,760 --> 01:52:00,160
Speaker 4: and Kaled Muhammad rose to be a black hero. Was

1987
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:03,519
Speaker 4: already well revered in New York. But I mean he

1988
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:07,639
Speaker 4: was a hero by the time this March came, and nobody,

1989
01:52:07,680 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 4: I mean, we couldn't go anywhere. He was a hero,

1990
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:13,679
Speaker 4: strongest black man in New York and because of everything

1991
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:17,240
Speaker 4: I said, considered to be one of the strongest black

1992
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:20,439
Speaker 4: men in America at that time. On our way, we

1993
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:23,640
Speaker 4: met the honorable Quality Terrey you know him some at

1994
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:27,040
Speaker 4: Stokely Carmichael. We met him in New York and sat

1995
01:52:27,120 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 4: down and got his revolutionary blessings, wisdom and guidance, and

1996
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:36,440
Speaker 4: so up on the March where Giuliani gets his revenge.

1997
01:52:36,479 --> 01:52:40,000
Speaker 4: Because he had lost in court, Colin Mahon had upbraided

1998
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:43,480
Speaker 4: him in the public. He had usurped all of Giuliani's

1999
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:46,479
Speaker 4: minions and blacks who had signed on to his payroll,

2000
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:51,120
Speaker 4: some of the Muslims, he wrote. Giuliani got his revenge.

2001
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:58,680
Speaker 4: He brought out five thousand police officers to police this

2002
01:52:58,680 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 4: this Million Years March events, which in itself drew about

2003
01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:06,760
Speaker 4: twenty thousand, well for every four persons there was a

2004
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:11,360
Speaker 4: police officer, There was five thousand cops. There was helicopters,

2005
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:16,479
Speaker 4: strimpers on the roofs foragers on the East River to

2006
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:22,040
Speaker 4: carry people away, armored vehicles all in the area. And

2007
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 4: there was a situation that was set for a clash.

2008
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:30,160
Speaker 4: And and and it was a great program, revolutionary from

2009
01:53:30,200 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 4: all across the country spoke, hip hop legends spoke. It

2010
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:36,960
Speaker 4: was a great program. It was a great day. But

2011
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:41,160
Speaker 4: it did clash. At the end of that day. It

2012
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:48,840
Speaker 4: did clash. And Colin Muhammad spoke a fiery speech at

2013
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 4: the end of that march, and he criticized the police strongly,

2014
01:53:54,040 --> 01:53:58,840
Speaker 4: and the court gave us a four o'clock deadline to end.

2015
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 4: And and normally, you know, you have a grace period

2016
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:08,240
Speaker 4: or whatever. But at four to one exactly, Giuliani sent

2017
01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:11,600
Speaker 4: the troops in with the with their shields and helmets,

2018
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:14,439
Speaker 4: and and they moved in like a battalion in a

2019
01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:19,000
Speaker 4: in a close, tight battalion in on the Million Youth

2020
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:23,640
Speaker 4: March defenses. And it was a big clash. And seventeen

2021
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:27,439
Speaker 4: cops went to the hospital, and seven of our men

2022
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:30,360
Speaker 4: went to the hospital. And and I'll take a break

2023
01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:32,320
Speaker 4: right now because I say it a lot, but that's

2024
01:54:32,360 --> 01:54:35,720
Speaker 4: what happened. It was a real live throwdown and then

2025
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:39,480
Speaker 4: it was a real live throwdown with the police. Ive

2026
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:41,360
Speaker 4: Mohammad was the keynote speaker.

2027
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that thirty minutes after the time the

2028
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:46,800
Speaker 1: brother Malik, What was what was the beef? What was

2029
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:48,800
Speaker 1: the fight about? It was because you guys were running

2030
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:49,240
Speaker 1: over time?

2031
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:55,160
Speaker 4: Was that? Is? That? Was that? All the fight was about? This?

2032
01:54:56,720 --> 01:55:02,480
Speaker 4: How there? And according to Giuliani, how dare collet Mohammad

2033
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:07,920
Speaker 4: challenged me, how dare him upbraid me? How dare him?

2034
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:13,120
Speaker 4: Uh call me the names that he's called going up

2035
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 4: to this march? And so I'm gonna show him? And

2036
01:55:16,840 --> 01:55:21,320
Speaker 4: so uh he had he set the stage. Giuliani set

2037
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:28,800
Speaker 4: the stage, uh for the confrontation by packing the march

2038
01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:32,880
Speaker 4: and the sides of it with the police. And uh

2039
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:38,160
Speaker 4: it could be fair to say that our revolutionary Muhammad

2040
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:42,200
Speaker 4: uh was offended by that or even triggered by that,

2041
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:47,520
Speaker 4: because uh uh as we got up to the deadline hour,

2042
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:50,480
Speaker 4: first of all, I mean, it's it's it's it's an

2043
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:54,200
Speaker 4: intricate story. He told me, my my dear eld my

2044
01:55:54,280 --> 01:55:59,200
Speaker 4: dead leader Colin Muhammad told me that he did not

2045
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:03,000
Speaker 4: intend to speak. And so when you watch the program,

2046
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:06,360
Speaker 4: you see DJ cool Herks, sister Erica Ford by all

2047
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:11,120
Speaker 4: of Plumbers Representative, you see any number of greats at

2048
01:56:11,200 --> 01:56:16,040
Speaker 4: Lambe Brass. They all youth and rappers come into the mic,

2049
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:20,480
Speaker 4: and it doesn't even seem like Coylin Muhammad was gonna speak.

2050
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:24,600
Speaker 4: But what he tells us at the Oberia Dempsey Center,

2051
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:29,480
Speaker 4: at the Slave Theater, guest of Altonmatics rest his soul.

2052
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:35,040
Speaker 4: What he tells us is that the situation became so

2053
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:42,200
Speaker 4: intense and that he anticipated a police attack on the marchers.

2054
01:56:43,240 --> 01:56:47,520
Speaker 4: And I agree with him. I agree with him that

2055
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:53,040
Speaker 4: they set the stage for attacks. So he it was

2056
01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:55,720
Speaker 4: his march, so I guess he was gonna make a statement.

2057
01:56:55,760 --> 01:57:00,720
Speaker 4: And his statement was a strong statement of intervention and

2058
01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:05,280
Speaker 4: and warning to the police and condemnation to the police.

2059
01:57:05,320 --> 01:57:09,200
Speaker 4: So you've heard him, some of you may have heard clips,

2060
01:57:09,240 --> 01:57:11,400
Speaker 4: or you can google it if you want to refresher

2061
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:16,600
Speaker 4: the Midi Youth March called Muhammad because he said uh

2062
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:20,520
Speaker 4: uh uh, because he's known for his famous words. On

2063
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:24,920
Speaker 4: that day and speaking to Juliani, he says, Juliani, he

2064
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:29,920
Speaker 4: say uh uh uh you you stacked your police all

2065
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:33,240
Speaker 4: in the aisles and all in the churches. But but

2066
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:36,360
Speaker 4: if you attack us today, by the power of our God,

2067
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:39,720
Speaker 4: if you attack us today, we'll we'll take those guns.

2068
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:43,240
Speaker 4: This is Muhammad's words. We'll take those guns off of

2069
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:48,000
Speaker 4: your hips and use those guns on you. And and

2070
01:57:48,200 --> 01:57:51,640
Speaker 4: made similar statements about the nightsticks that had been used

2071
01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:55,440
Speaker 4: on Albert uh that had been used on Louima to

2072
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:59,720
Speaker 4: sandomize Louima. Well, well, at this speech, Muhammad promised that

2073
01:58:00,120 --> 01:58:03,360
Speaker 4: those same night sticks would be used in the reverse

2074
01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:07,880
Speaker 4: direction against the police. And and so brother karled, that's

2075
01:58:07,960 --> 01:58:13,240
Speaker 4: what I guess, that's what triggered Giuliani also, And it

2076
01:58:13,320 --> 01:58:16,880
Speaker 4: could be fairly said that these two warriors triggered each other.

2077
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:21,800
Speaker 4: And so at four one pm there Giuliani let his

2078
01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:25,480
Speaker 4: troops and helicopters in and and it was a big

2079
01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:28,880
Speaker 4: fight and and and as I said, uh, it was

2080
01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:32,440
Speaker 4: a throwdown. And he took the stage by force, but

2081
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:36,240
Speaker 4: they didn't take it without a price. Seventeen of them

2082
01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:40,480
Speaker 4: went to the hospitals. Uh. Few of our men, well,

2083
01:58:40,760 --> 01:58:42,560
Speaker 4: two of our men were arrested.

2084
01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:43,520
Speaker 14: Uh.

2085
01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:47,920
Speaker 4: Muhammed was was Uh it was. It was a hell

2086
01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:52,160
Speaker 4: of a melee. Muhammad was taken out under emergency circumstances,

2087
01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:55,440
Speaker 4: and and and it was it was. It wasn't no

2088
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 4: smooth end. And I gotta it. Can't lie to you

2089
01:58:57,680 --> 01:59:01,760
Speaker 4: when they say a million man marched, but it was

2090
01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:03,840
Speaker 4: not as much as a piece of paper. They'll say,

2091
01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:06,240
Speaker 4: wasn't a piece of paper left on the ground, That

2092
01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:09,440
Speaker 4: it wasn't a joint smoked on the mall, and that

2093
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:12,720
Speaker 4: it was the most peaceful day? Were They're right about it?

2094
01:59:12,440 --> 01:59:15,680
Speaker 4: But this was different. This was college Muhammad. And it's

2095
01:59:15,720 --> 01:59:21,840
Speaker 4: probably fitting to his career and his character that his march.

2096
01:59:23,680 --> 01:59:28,160
Speaker 1: Was this controversy twenty six away from the top of that.

2097
01:59:28,360 --> 01:59:31,240
Speaker 1: Did he anticipate that things were going to go south?

2098
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:34,800
Speaker 1: Did he have contingency plans just in case the cops

2099
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:45,320
Speaker 1: were wilded out like they did? I, honestly speaking, when

2100
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:46,760
Speaker 1: I looked back at it, it.

2101
01:59:46,760 --> 01:59:50,520
Speaker 4: Was twenty seven sixties, seven years later. How many years

2102
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:53,040
Speaker 4: it is when I look back at it, I would

2103
01:59:53,080 --> 01:59:56,920
Speaker 4: have to say, no, I would have to say Mohammed

2104
01:59:58,760 --> 02:00:03,680
Speaker 4: was mostly our parading off of his his gut revolutionary

2105
02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:08,880
Speaker 4: instincts in the decisions and the choices he made that day.

2106
02:00:09,960 --> 02:00:14,520
Speaker 4: I can honestly praise. Remember her name, Sister Biola Plumber.

2107
02:00:15,160 --> 02:00:17,680
Speaker 4: She came up and to me at some point asking

2108
02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:21,800
Speaker 4: me what was the plan? What was the plan was it?

2109
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:26,000
Speaker 4: Was it fight or flight? She asking me, Well, she hill,

2110
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:31,200
Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean just just talking amongst each other.

2111
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:33,640
Speaker 4: I don't know what the plan was. All I know

2112
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:37,440
Speaker 4: is that Mohammed was in charge. And as the march

2113
02:00:37,560 --> 02:00:42,680
Speaker 4: got closed to four o'clock deadline, and as the tension built,

2114
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:46,480
Speaker 4: you could see things changing on the stage. I mean

2115
02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:50,600
Speaker 4: on the stage. We had honorable doctor Yusaf bin Yakan

2116
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:58,080
Speaker 4: on the stage and a host of of of revolutionaries

2117
02:00:58,120 --> 02:01:01,640
Speaker 4: honest and sister Mowena who helped us one of Kame

2118
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:05,919
Speaker 4: Toure's AATRP reps in New York. So the whole stage

2119
02:01:06,040 --> 02:01:09,839
Speaker 4: was packed during the program and everybody was fighting to speak.

2120
02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:13,760
Speaker 4: But you notice kind of strange that when it got

2121
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:18,120
Speaker 4: there all around four o'clock and Muhammad was about to speak,

2122
02:01:18,200 --> 02:01:20,800
Speaker 4: the stage is clear. I don't know what had We

2123
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:24,120
Speaker 4: gave no order, but somehow another doctor Ben was gone.

2124
02:01:24,240 --> 02:01:28,360
Speaker 4: The stage was clear, and by the time Colib Muhammad spoke,

2125
02:01:28,440 --> 02:01:31,560
Speaker 4: there was no chairs up there and it was myself

2126
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:35,680
Speaker 4: and brother TYLERB and one al X and some others

2127
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:39,800
Speaker 4: on security post, and I knew that I was in

2128
02:01:39,880 --> 02:01:44,280
Speaker 4: the back trying to manage both ends. I was moderating

2129
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:47,520
Speaker 4: the program and I was in the back holding trying

2130
02:01:47,560 --> 02:01:51,040
Speaker 4: to build the defensive line in the back with the

2131
02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:53,760
Speaker 4: men we had in the back. I was remember getting

2132
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Speaker 4: one man, some of the panthers from Dallas. Was there

2133
02:01:56,320 --> 02:01:59,760
Speaker 4: another whole host of men Patrese Peterson, who I laid

2134
02:02:00,040 --> 02:02:03,800
Speaker 4: offended in a criminal trial from the charge he caught there.

2135
02:02:04,160 --> 02:02:09,000
Speaker 4: I remember myself in the back yelling at the police

2136
02:02:09,200 --> 02:02:12,160
Speaker 4: to back up as they kept taking an inch step

2137
02:02:12,280 --> 02:02:15,600
Speaker 4: forward every minute, or have them paced. They was coming

2138
02:02:16,200 --> 02:02:20,360
Speaker 4: and at the same time mobilizing a line of men

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Speaker 4: in the back to cover the line in the back,

2140
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:27,120
Speaker 4: two lines of men. I think all week at Muster

2141
02:02:27,200 --> 02:02:31,520
Speaker 4: about thirty about thirty five men, and I tried to

2142
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Speaker 4: go back doing that.

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Speaker 1: Bill, Thank you for sharing that those men, the million

2144
02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:41,120
Speaker 1: youth marches or Attorney Malik Shabazi, he's talking about folks

2145
02:02:41,200 --> 02:02:42,800
Speaker 1: already want to speak for them, and you two can

2146
02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:44,960
Speaker 1: join our conversation. Just reach out to us at eight

2147
02:02:45,080 --> 02:02:48,120
Speaker 1: hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to seventy

2148
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Speaker 1: six and we'll take your phone calls next and grind

2149
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Speaker 1: Rising family. Thanks for sticking with us on this Monday morning.

2150
02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:55,240
Speaker 1: Thank you stawing your week with us. At nineteen minutes

2151
02:02:55,240 --> 02:02:57,839
Speaker 1: away from the top of that with Attorney Melie Schabazi.

2152
02:02:57,840 --> 02:02:59,920
Speaker 1: He's the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice. Before

2153
02:03:00,160 --> 02:03:01,560
Speaker 1: go back to it, let me just remind you. Coming

2154
02:03:01,640 --> 02:03:04,040
Speaker 1: up later this week, you're going to hear from futuristic

2155
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:07,600
Speaker 1: researcher brother Sidiki Bacari, also the President General of the

2156
02:03:07,720 --> 02:03:10,680
Speaker 1: Universal of African People's Organization, Brother Zaki Breuty will be

2157
02:03:10,760 --> 02:03:14,680
Speaker 1: here and economists doctor Julianne Malvol also join us. So

2158
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:16,880
Speaker 1: if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your

2159
02:03:16,920 --> 02:03:19,720
Speaker 1: RADI locked and tight on ten ten WLB or if

2160
02:03:19,720 --> 02:03:22,800
Speaker 1: you're in the DMV round fourteen fifteen WL. All right

2161
02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:24,800
Speaker 1: at tournay Malik, how mut you finish your thought? Then

2162
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:27,520
Speaker 1: Charles has a question for you from Baltimore.

2163
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:30,800
Speaker 4: I like to go to the microphone, but I just

2164
02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:35,400
Speaker 4: want to say that all that you hear from the

2165
02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:39,720
Speaker 4: legacy of Sister Queen A Saila Shakur formerly joe Ane

2166
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:46,160
Speaker 4: Chessama and Kalid Muhammad is just an inspiration to us

2167
02:03:46,200 --> 02:03:50,520
Speaker 4: for our ancestors, of the sacrifices they made and the

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02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:53,920
Speaker 4: fighting spirit that they have, and we can't let that

2169
02:03:53,960 --> 02:03:56,760
Speaker 4: fighting spirit die. It has to live in us. I

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02:03:57,080 --> 02:03:58,840
Speaker 4: go to the phone line, all.

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02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:01,840
Speaker 1: Right, Charles in Baltimore's online one, Kevin Grand Rising, Charles,

2172
02:04:01,880 --> 02:04:03,760
Speaker 1: your own Shabbos.

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02:04:04,720 --> 02:04:11,480
Speaker 15: Yes, greetings, happy meetings, greetings, my brother. All right, all

2174
02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:14,800
Speaker 15: right now, I gotta say, you know, my arms are

2175
02:04:14,880 --> 02:04:19,320
Speaker 15: not broken, but it seems like we are powerless and

2176
02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:25,680
Speaker 15: we have no tools for self defense. I mean, how

2177
02:04:25,720 --> 02:04:33,080
Speaker 15: can we be disrespected, degraded, dehumanized. I mean, we have

2178
02:04:33,160 --> 02:04:40,120
Speaker 15: been reclassified and obedient as you know, a superficial race.

2179
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Speaker 15: I mean it's really no.

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Speaker 4: I can't can't. My mind just can't wrap around how

2181
02:04:49,240 --> 02:04:53,200
Speaker 4: we're so powerless. I mean, why don't we have a

2182
02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:59,360
Speaker 4: word like anti semitic and somebody that can back it up.

2183
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:04,800
Speaker 4: This this whole thing about us having civil rights, I.

2184
02:05:04,760 --> 02:05:05,720
Speaker 14: Mean it's a joke.

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02:05:05,880 --> 02:05:10,160
Speaker 4: It hasn't meant anything, this affirmative action. We don't have

2186
02:05:10,240 --> 02:05:13,280
Speaker 4: any lawyers to defend us, but all they have to

2187
02:05:13,320 --> 02:05:17,600
Speaker 4: do is say the magic word, you know, oh, anti semitic,

2188
02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:21,920
Speaker 4: and everybody comes to their defense. They start, presidents start

2189
02:05:22,040 --> 02:05:25,280
Speaker 4: running to their defense. You got governments that have said,

2190
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:28,240
Speaker 4: oh dare you you know we're gonna hold you accountable.

2191
02:05:28,920 --> 02:05:32,920
Speaker 4: Why isn't that happening when people disrespect us and do

2192
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:36,200
Speaker 4: what they do to us, and we are the original people,

2193
02:05:36,600 --> 02:05:40,360
Speaker 4: were the first people. I mean, where are our lawyers?

2194
02:05:40,680 --> 02:05:41,840
Speaker 4: Where's our defenses?

2195
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:46,160
Speaker 3: The people are respond thanksobs.

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Speaker 4: It's a great it's a great statement you've made, my brother.

2197
02:05:51,880 --> 02:05:54,880
Speaker 4: But I don't want you to uh to let I

2198
02:05:54,920 --> 02:05:59,120
Speaker 4: would say pessimism. I don't want pessimism to overtake you,

2199
02:05:59,280 --> 02:06:03,640
Speaker 4: even though what you have said bears great truth. I

2200
02:06:03,640 --> 02:06:06,880
Speaker 4: think what we must understand here is black men and

2201
02:06:07,160 --> 02:06:10,400
Speaker 4: at this point in time, that that we have to

2202
02:06:10,440 --> 02:06:14,720
Speaker 4: be conscious of where we are in time and in history,

2203
02:06:15,400 --> 02:06:19,120
Speaker 4: and to know what our our goal and duty is

2204
02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:23,160
Speaker 4: within this span of time called our lifetime, so that

2205
02:06:23,320 --> 02:06:26,280
Speaker 4: you and I can make our contribution in this time

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02:06:26,360 --> 02:06:30,560
Speaker 4: and we can, we can, we can ease that pessimism. I,

2207
02:06:30,760 --> 02:06:34,480
Speaker 4: like you, my brother, want the ability to respond to

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02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:38,000
Speaker 4: to the white man and white racism and imperialism and

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02:06:38,120 --> 02:06:41,800
Speaker 4: zionism in just the terms that they've given it to us.

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02:06:42,200 --> 02:06:45,000
Speaker 4: I like you, my brother, hurt and ache when I

2211
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:48,000
Speaker 4: when I when I read in history how the British

2212
02:06:48,280 --> 02:06:51,160
Speaker 4: went up in the or what they call Nigeria, up

2213
02:06:51,200 --> 02:06:55,000
Speaker 4: the rivers and shot out and shot down and burned

2214
02:06:55,080 --> 02:06:58,560
Speaker 4: up kings and villages of our leaders from from uh

2215
02:06:58,680 --> 02:07:03,800
Speaker 4: Nigeria took to to Zimbabwe and and everywhere else in between.

2216
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:07,520
Speaker 4: And I, like you, sir, I want I want artillery

2217
02:07:07,600 --> 02:07:12,800
Speaker 4: and aircraft and aircraft carriers and and everything the enemy has.

2218
02:07:12,920 --> 02:07:15,560
Speaker 4: I want that in the black possession and in my

2219
02:07:15,720 --> 02:07:19,920
Speaker 4: black superpower, so I can answer them and we can

2220
02:07:19,960 --> 02:07:22,200
Speaker 4: answer them the way they have they have done us,

2221
02:07:22,240 --> 02:07:25,360
Speaker 4: and we can have that kind of power. However, we're

2222
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:29,080
Speaker 4: in a certain stage of history and and and where

2223
02:07:29,120 --> 02:07:33,480
Speaker 4: we have hopefully understood many painful lessons of history. Failure

2224
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:39,920
Speaker 4: to to to to modernize, failure to militarize, failure to industrialize,

2225
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:45,000
Speaker 4: failure to technic, to advance technology. I mean, to a

2226
02:07:45,040 --> 02:07:48,800
Speaker 4: certain extent, your anks represents the angst of our entire race.

2227
02:07:49,560 --> 02:07:52,120
Speaker 4: But to summarize, my dear brother, what I want to

2228
02:07:52,160 --> 02:07:54,720
Speaker 4: say is that you have you have to and I

2229
02:07:54,840 --> 02:07:57,840
Speaker 4: have to, and we have to must make our mark

2230
02:07:57,920 --> 02:08:01,160
Speaker 4: in advancement. And this limit, it's it's space and time

2231
02:08:01,240 --> 02:08:05,320
Speaker 4: we have to begin the reversal of this. Now we

2232
02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:08,240
Speaker 4: do have some bright spots. We may not have as

2233
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:11,200
Speaker 4: many black lawyers out there that we need. We may

2234
02:08:11,240 --> 02:08:14,080
Speaker 4: not have Attorney Maddox no more, we may not have

2235
02:08:14,160 --> 02:08:19,240
Speaker 4: Attorney Johnny Cochran anymore. But we do have some good

2236
02:08:19,320 --> 02:08:22,440
Speaker 4: black lawyers on the singe. Some are fighting. I may

2237
02:08:22,480 --> 02:08:26,840
Speaker 4: not mean much to many, but Attorney my league Zulusha

2238
02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:31,240
Speaker 4: Baz thirty twenty some years after the Million Youth March,

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02:08:31,320 --> 02:08:34,520
Speaker 4: or thirty years after the million Man March, you can

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Speaker 4: say that I'm on my post and I can tell

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02:08:37,240 --> 02:08:40,920
Speaker 4: you I know other black lawyers that are respected around me.

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02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:45,680
Speaker 4: Attorney Donald Temple, Attorney Greg Latimer, Attorney Jeanette Henry, my

2243
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:48,760
Speaker 4: partner's hearing. Black lawyers for Justice, Well, you may not

2244
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:51,400
Speaker 4: read about us, but they are helping out people in

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02:08:51,560 --> 02:08:55,560
Speaker 4: need every day. And so the great son of obi

2246
02:08:55,600 --> 02:08:59,360
Speaker 4: Egboona of the Daddy, well you just heard his son

2247
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:03,200
Speaker 4: Obik Booner here on the line of carrying out the

2248
02:09:03,240 --> 02:09:06,400
Speaker 4: revolutionary work of his father's. So I don't want to say,

2249
02:09:06,440 --> 02:09:09,320
Speaker 4: my dear brother, is that uh is that I'm here

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02:09:09,400 --> 02:09:12,160
Speaker 4: for you as a brother, my league, resolution as I

2251
02:09:12,200 --> 02:09:15,320
Speaker 4: feel and understand your pain. But if you want to,

2252
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:19,680
Speaker 4: if you want a constructive way to try to break

2253
02:09:19,880 --> 02:09:23,520
Speaker 4: the cycle of the things you complained about, then I'll

2254
02:09:23,560 --> 02:09:27,200
Speaker 4: give out my number and you just join in with us, brother,

2255
02:09:27,320 --> 02:09:30,400
Speaker 4: so we can try to transfer us some pain into

2256
02:09:30,440 --> 02:09:32,680
Speaker 4: some power from black power.

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Speaker 1: Go the way from the top of what he's saying though,

2258
02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:38,080
Speaker 1: is kind of correct, But does it take on a

2259
02:09:38,160 --> 02:09:41,240
Speaker 1: new significance now because the political state of the country's

2260
02:09:41,240 --> 02:09:41,920
Speaker 1: in right now.

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02:09:43,640 --> 02:09:48,480
Speaker 4: It takes on a strong political state because right now

2262
02:09:48,520 --> 02:09:52,920
Speaker 4: where we're in, we're in a situation where well and

2263
02:09:52,680 --> 02:09:59,680
Speaker 4: and and intensified attack from the right wing has intensified.

2264
02:10:00,360 --> 02:10:06,120
Speaker 4: And as fascism has intensified, and the expected result of

2265
02:10:06,280 --> 02:10:11,160
Speaker 4: Donald Trump and Maga's rise is supposed to be a

2266
02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:18,800
Speaker 4: corollary rise for black empowerment, for self determination, for black

2267
02:10:18,840 --> 02:10:23,880
Speaker 4: people being able to defend themselves against against slander, against ice,

2268
02:10:23,960 --> 02:10:27,400
Speaker 4: against whatever's going on. We're supposed to be rising also,

2269
02:10:28,360 --> 02:10:32,120
Speaker 4: So it does his statement does take significance and and

2270
02:10:32,120 --> 02:10:37,200
Speaker 4: and some black people can be frustrated everybody's making their

2271
02:10:37,320 --> 02:10:43,320
Speaker 4: move on the planet. For all they want thesionists, the American,

2272
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:48,360
Speaker 4: the Chinese, or the North Korean everybody's making their move, uh,

2273
02:10:48,440 --> 02:10:51,080
Speaker 4: and and black people in America want to know what

2274
02:10:51,200 --> 02:10:54,040
Speaker 4: our move is. And and we see some moves in

2275
02:10:54,120 --> 02:10:57,919
Speaker 4: Africa that are positive, certainly with the shy El States.

2276
02:10:58,000 --> 02:11:01,480
Speaker 4: But black people in African people are we human like

2277
02:11:01,560 --> 02:11:05,400
Speaker 4: anybody else. We we we have worries and fears that

2278
02:11:05,560 --> 02:11:08,680
Speaker 4: we'll never get out this condition. And we have worries

2279
02:11:08,720 --> 02:11:11,320
Speaker 4: and fears that everybody is going to continue to pass

2280
02:11:11,400 --> 02:11:14,960
Speaker 4: us by. I understand, I understand the questions.

2281
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:19,280
Speaker 3: And the question is, so what do we do? What's

2282
02:11:19,360 --> 02:11:19,840
Speaker 3: y'all move?

2283
02:11:21,680 --> 02:11:25,400
Speaker 4: Man? What I'm what I move is to is to

2284
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:32,520
Speaker 4: continue to struggle and to organize and to I guess,

2285
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:36,440
Speaker 4: in the in the general sense, I would say come together,

2286
02:11:37,120 --> 02:11:40,960
Speaker 4: but the specifics, in the specific sense, everybody has to

2287
02:11:41,200 --> 02:11:47,960
Speaker 4: meet their revolutionary obligation. Uh. I can't. I can't worry

2288
02:11:47,960 --> 02:11:52,160
Speaker 4: about the hugeness of the elephant of the problem in

2289
02:11:52,200 --> 02:11:56,760
Speaker 4: my day. My day is so full of responding for

2290
02:11:56,920 --> 02:11:59,880
Speaker 4: calls to help black people. My day is so full

2291
02:11:59,920 --> 02:12:04,640
Speaker 4: of of other black people needing my help that I

2292
02:12:04,680 --> 02:12:09,120
Speaker 4: don't have time to lament on the hugeness of the problem,

2293
02:12:09,240 --> 02:12:12,840
Speaker 4: because my day is filled with service towards my people,

2294
02:12:12,920 --> 02:12:15,800
Speaker 4: my weake is filled, my mother is filled. You know. Now,

2295
02:12:15,960 --> 02:12:18,560
Speaker 4: I want us to move in a stronger way. I

2296
02:12:18,640 --> 02:12:23,240
Speaker 4: want us to unite, but I don't know if we're

2297
02:12:23,240 --> 02:12:25,520
Speaker 4: gonna get over all that honestly. I mean, I have

2298
02:12:25,640 --> 02:12:28,520
Speaker 4: to be honest. Now, the third light, for example, I

2299
02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:33,160
Speaker 4: mean this might sound personally but it is. But it

2300
02:12:33,440 --> 02:12:36,600
Speaker 4: personally is a part of this. Okay. So it's thirty

2301
02:12:36,720 --> 02:12:40,240
Speaker 4: years after the Million Man March. Now now I'm here

2302
02:12:40,240 --> 02:12:43,280
Speaker 4: in my city and I'm wanted the key organizers of

2303
02:12:43,320 --> 02:12:46,840
Speaker 4: this in my city and around the country. I'm one

2304
02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:53,360
Speaker 4: of the co conveners of the Million Man March Anniversary,

2305
02:12:53,480 --> 02:12:56,240
Speaker 4: the Millions More Movement of two thousand and five with

2306
02:12:56,480 --> 02:13:03,840
Speaker 4: Minister Lewis Farkhave, And I'm doing this justice work some

2307
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:08,560
Speaker 4: of the keep legal work and political work always have

2308
02:13:08,840 --> 02:13:13,160
Speaker 4: around this country. I ain't getting not one call from

2309
02:13:13,400 --> 02:13:18,600
Speaker 4: nobody in my city or area or nothing, not one call,

2310
02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:23,480
Speaker 4: not one invite to nothing. And so what I'm saying

2311
02:13:23,640 --> 02:13:28,280
Speaker 4: is that as a people, we not gonna get out

2312
02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:31,760
Speaker 4: of this condition, and as leadership, We're not going to

2313
02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:34,120
Speaker 4: get out of this condition until we get over some

2314
02:13:34,160 --> 02:13:39,120
Speaker 4: of the the mental hang ups and the personal hang

2315
02:13:39,200 --> 02:13:42,240
Speaker 4: ups and and to be honest, honest, to get over

2316
02:13:42,320 --> 02:13:46,600
Speaker 4: the competition, rivalries, jealousy and envies that we have amongst

2317
02:13:46,680 --> 02:13:50,640
Speaker 4: one another. Now, now I will say that if I

2318
02:13:50,720 --> 02:13:53,080
Speaker 4: have to digress at all, I will say that I

2319
02:13:53,080 --> 02:13:56,400
Speaker 4: would lamit, that I still would see that that the

2320
02:13:56,560 --> 02:13:59,920
Speaker 4: key thing that that kwame wanting, and that the meal

2321
02:14:00,160 --> 02:14:02,800
Speaker 4: in mad March wanting, and that all our leaders wont

2322
02:14:02,840 --> 02:14:08,360
Speaker 4: it was a was better unity amongst each other. I

2323
02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:11,160
Speaker 4: still don't see that easy. And I don't see Black

2324
02:14:11,240 --> 02:14:15,040
Speaker 4: leaders willing to work with each other and to communicate

2325
02:14:15,120 --> 02:14:18,120
Speaker 4: with each other and organize with each other. No way

2326
02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:23,120
Speaker 4: near the way that they could to advance all levels

2327
02:14:23,160 --> 02:14:26,440
Speaker 4: of our struggle, you know. And I can't lie to

2328
02:14:26,520 --> 02:14:29,480
Speaker 4: you that I got some magic solution on this phone line,

2329
02:14:29,520 --> 02:14:32,000
Speaker 4: but I say that my line is open. But there's

2330
02:14:32,160 --> 02:14:36,200
Speaker 4: much more progress we could make to fulfill every complaint

2331
02:14:36,200 --> 02:14:39,320
Speaker 4: that we have, if our people would be strong and

2332
02:14:40,040 --> 02:14:41,600
Speaker 4: would work better together.

2333
02:14:43,000 --> 02:14:44,200
Speaker 3: How much of they ask you this?

2334
02:14:44,600 --> 02:14:47,840
Speaker 1: The Council is that deliberate to keep us fighting against

2335
02:14:47,880 --> 02:14:50,160
Speaker 1: each other, keep it to each other's throat. So we

2336
02:14:50,240 --> 02:14:54,280
Speaker 1: take our eye after the real problem, which is the oppressure.

2337
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:56,720
Speaker 1: Is it as simple as that we have some people

2338
02:14:56,840 --> 02:14:59,040
Speaker 1: deliberately doing that and keeping us divided.

2339
02:15:03,400 --> 02:15:07,800
Speaker 4: Tell no lies and claim no easy victories. As I

2340
02:15:07,840 --> 02:15:09,960
Speaker 4: was taught by either France or No or a mill

2341
02:15:10,080 --> 02:15:13,400
Speaker 4: coocker ball. I can't recall right now, but I know

2342
02:15:13,480 --> 02:15:17,120
Speaker 4: that that's the truth. Can't tell no lies and blame

2343
02:15:17,200 --> 02:15:20,480
Speaker 4: this on the white man and say that that there's

2344
02:15:20,520 --> 02:15:24,840
Speaker 4: some hid in hand that's keeping us divided, and and

2345
02:15:24,920 --> 02:15:27,240
Speaker 4: that the white man is keeping us against each other.

2346
02:15:28,360 --> 02:15:30,760
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to say. I could say that it

2347
02:15:30,840 --> 02:15:34,120
Speaker 4: was the white man's mind that has been put in us,

2348
02:15:34,160 --> 02:15:37,320
Speaker 4: that that we're like on a plantation, and we are

2349
02:15:37,400 --> 02:15:39,680
Speaker 4: out here competing to see who's gonna be the biggest

2350
02:15:39,720 --> 02:15:43,360
Speaker 4: Negro on the plantation, who's gonna get the most likes

2351
02:15:43,360 --> 02:15:44,280
Speaker 4: on the plantation?

2352
02:15:44,480 --> 02:15:44,680
Speaker 6: Who?

2353
02:15:45,080 --> 02:15:48,240
Speaker 4: Who? I mean, that's so trivial and so trite, but

2354
02:15:48,280 --> 02:15:51,400
Speaker 4: that is part of our problem. But then you could

2355
02:15:51,400 --> 02:15:54,960
Speaker 4: go back three four five hundred years and and you couldn't.

2356
02:15:55,440 --> 02:15:58,560
Speaker 4: You couldn't necessarily say that it was the white man's

2357
02:15:58,680 --> 02:16:03,000
Speaker 4: mind that that made us, that had some of us

2358
02:16:03,200 --> 02:16:07,120
Speaker 4: collaborate with an invader and a slave trader. Well, the

2359
02:16:07,200 --> 02:16:10,840
Speaker 4: white man wasn't there yet, and so we must take

2360
02:16:10,920 --> 02:16:14,960
Speaker 4: some self responsibility, is what I'm saying that and recognize

2361
02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:20,160
Speaker 4: that a key part of our problem is us ourselves,

2362
02:16:20,640 --> 02:16:25,200
Speaker 4: our attitude towards ourselves as a people, our love, degree

2363
02:16:25,200 --> 02:16:29,280
Speaker 4: of love and respect for ourselves. That has made us

2364
02:16:29,360 --> 02:16:36,040
Speaker 4: fight ourselves more than fighting for ourselves shoes. I mean

2365
02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:38,240
Speaker 4: we could, we could. We need to work on that.

2366
02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:42,199
Speaker 4: So to that extent, I would just say that one

2367
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:44,400
Speaker 4: thing that I recommend. All I can do is make

2368
02:16:44,440 --> 02:16:47,800
Speaker 4: a recommendation. I don't have a magic prescription, but my

2369
02:16:47,920 --> 02:16:54,320
Speaker 4: recommendation is for it's for better communications, better communications and

2370
02:16:54,920 --> 02:16:59,400
Speaker 4: conversations with each other, that instead of assuming things about

2371
02:16:59,440 --> 02:17:04,160
Speaker 4: each other, harboring ideas about each other, it's best to

2372
02:17:04,240 --> 02:17:07,360
Speaker 4: break bread and talk with each other. I ran and

2373
02:17:07,400 --> 02:17:09,879
Speaker 4: the brother Obie on the yard. I'm gonna be with

2374
02:17:09,959 --> 02:17:12,960
Speaker 4: brother Obie on Tuesday. But brother in Obie and I

2375
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:16,920
Speaker 4: guess something went on online. It was it was small,

2376
02:17:17,000 --> 02:17:21,240
Speaker 4: it was lightweight, but we as soon as we talked

2377
02:17:21,280 --> 02:17:24,120
Speaker 4: about it, as soon as we had a conversation about it,

2378
02:17:24,160 --> 02:17:27,440
Speaker 4: we really knew how much we respected each other. And

2379
02:17:27,480 --> 02:17:31,480
Speaker 4: that's why I'm gonna see him on Tuesday. But it

2380
02:17:31,520 --> 02:17:35,200
Speaker 4: was done through communication. It's gone through talking. So so

2381
02:17:35,320 --> 02:17:37,480
Speaker 4: all I can say is that as a people, and

2382
02:17:37,520 --> 02:17:40,360
Speaker 4: that works with the family, that works with relationships, that

2383
02:17:40,400 --> 02:17:45,680
Speaker 4: works with your children, conversation and honest communication amongst those

2384
02:17:45,720 --> 02:17:49,440
Speaker 4: who really believe in this struggle will help us make

2385
02:17:49,520 --> 02:17:51,160
Speaker 4: prop make some progress.

2386
02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:54,320
Speaker 1: I totally agree for a way from the top step.

2387
02:17:54,320 --> 02:17:56,879
Speaker 1: Aside for some of my stations identifying themselves down the

2388
02:17:56,879 --> 02:17:58,400
Speaker 1: line were come back. I've got a bunch of folks

2389
02:17:58,480 --> 02:18:00,840
Speaker 1: want to talk to you a tena min week. Family,

2390
02:18:00,840 --> 02:18:03,160
Speaker 1: you want to join this discussion, reach out to us

2391
02:18:03,160 --> 02:18:05,720
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight is

2392
02:18:05,720 --> 02:18:08,680
Speaker 1: seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next and

2393
02:18:08,800 --> 02:18:10,920
Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week with

2394
02:18:11,040 --> 02:18:13,680
Speaker 1: us this final week of October twenty twenty five. I

2395
02:18:13,720 --> 02:18:15,680
Speaker 1: guess is the founder of the Black Lawys for Justice,

2396
02:18:15,720 --> 02:18:18,280
Speaker 1: Attorney Malague Shabaz. We've got some folks who want to

2397
02:18:18,320 --> 02:18:20,880
Speaker 1: speak with Attorney Malik Shabaz. Let's go on line four

2398
02:18:20,959 --> 02:18:24,320
Speaker 1: for Mike's calling from DC. Grand riseing Mike, he're on

2399
02:18:24,360 --> 02:18:26,840
Speaker 1: with Attorney Malik. It's Mike there on line four.

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02:18:27,760 --> 02:18:31,160
Speaker 4: Yes, good morning, Grand Rise and mister Dolson, mister Kevin

2401
02:18:31,320 --> 02:18:34,359
Speaker 4: and your guest spot on. Thank you for Charles respons

2402
02:18:34,400 --> 02:18:36,320
Speaker 4: Let's spot on. I was gonna say thank you very

2403
02:18:36,400 --> 02:18:37,560
Speaker 4: much for that was really good.

2404
02:18:37,600 --> 02:18:38,440
Speaker 9: Thank you very much.

2405
02:18:39,360 --> 02:18:42,959
Speaker 1: You have a question or comment from attorneyment Shabbaz oh.

2406
02:18:42,959 --> 02:18:44,680
Speaker 1: I think he must have hung up. All right, let's

2407
02:18:44,680 --> 02:18:46,360
Speaker 1: go to I didn't hear what he said. Let's go

2408
02:18:46,360 --> 02:18:50,440
Speaker 1: to line two. Elder Jabu is calling from Indianapolis, Grand Rising,

2409
02:18:50,520 --> 02:18:53,199
Speaker 1: Elder Ajabu with Attorney Malik Shabaz.

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02:18:53,440 --> 02:18:56,800
Speaker 7: Grillion Rising, and thank you for the opportunity to speak.

2411
02:18:57,600 --> 02:19:01,720
Speaker 7: And I just wanted to let Attorney Shabbas knows that

2412
02:19:01,879 --> 02:19:04,960
Speaker 7: the rendition and the history that you gave of the

2413
02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:11,800
Speaker 7: million youth in March was so inspiring, I mean, just rich.

2414
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:19,480
Speaker 7: And I wanted to actually ask you about some international

2415
02:19:19,520 --> 02:19:22,760
Speaker 7: things going on. But there's one thing that I wanted

2416
02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:25,680
Speaker 7: to also share about the times in which we live.

2417
02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:31,800
Speaker 7: Now Here in America, there is a tyrannical government that

2418
02:19:31,959 --> 02:19:39,120
Speaker 7: is ruling America right now. Any time that legal citizens

2419
02:19:40,040 --> 02:19:44,960
Speaker 7: are arrested illegally, then that is an act of tyranny.

2420
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:53,760
Speaker 7: And the direct declaration of independence gives citizens the right,

2421
02:19:55,440 --> 02:20:01,360
Speaker 7: if not the duty, to change that government by any

2422
02:20:01,879 --> 02:20:07,120
Speaker 7: means necessary. And so the Black Panther movement is pushing

2423
02:20:08,040 --> 02:20:13,400
Speaker 7: the governor of Chicago, our brother Johnson, and our sister

2424
02:20:13,440 --> 02:20:20,000
Speaker 7: out in California, Karen Bass, to file something in court

2425
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:27,160
Speaker 7: to get a ruling against the government for being tyrannical,

2426
02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:32,480
Speaker 7: so that now the legal use of force reverts from

2427
02:20:32,520 --> 02:20:36,360
Speaker 7: the government into the hands of the people, and then

2428
02:20:36,400 --> 02:20:40,680
Speaker 7: we can respond in the way necessary to respond in

2429
02:20:40,879 --> 02:20:46,840
Speaker 7: order to stop that tyranny from advancing itself. I know

2430
02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:55,160
Speaker 7: that we look at the local situation or the country situation,

2431
02:20:55,760 --> 02:20:59,400
Speaker 7: and Brother Charles asked a very salient question which I

2432
02:20:59,480 --> 02:21:02,720
Speaker 7: want you to expound on, Brother Malik.

2433
02:21:03,080 --> 02:21:04,160
Speaker 16: And that is.

2434
02:21:05,560 --> 02:21:07,400
Speaker 8: The move that.

2435
02:21:09,120 --> 02:21:14,400
Speaker 7: Was made recently here, I think yesterday in Mali, to

2436
02:21:14,480 --> 02:21:21,520
Speaker 7: whereas Duck has taken the visa restrictions off of Mali

2437
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:24,360
Speaker 7: because Mali says that if you do that to us,

2438
02:21:24,440 --> 02:21:28,120
Speaker 7: we're going to do that to you. And if you

2439
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:32,480
Speaker 7: could talk about how we are nurturing that relationship so

2440
02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:36,560
Speaker 7: that type of attitude not only exists within the hell,

2441
02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:40,440
Speaker 7: but we hook up in it exists right here to

2442
02:21:40,520 --> 02:21:46,440
Speaker 7: whereas that we can respond in a way that if

2443
02:21:48,320 --> 02:21:55,160
Speaker 7: people respond when somebody says something that somebody says this antasimitic,

2444
02:21:56,160 --> 02:21:58,959
Speaker 7: that we can say, look, you can't talk about us

2445
02:21:59,080 --> 02:22:04,040
Speaker 7: like that. We will respond and if you would also

2446
02:22:04,200 --> 02:22:08,880
Speaker 7: give an update on the situation in Cameroons, we would

2447
02:22:08,959 --> 02:22:10,280
Speaker 7: appreciate that so much.

2448
02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:16,040
Speaker 4: She appreciates all right, thank you, Elder, Yes, sir, thank

2449
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:21,120
Speaker 4: you brother elder Elder at Jabu one of the Pan

2450
02:22:21,240 --> 02:22:26,440
Speaker 4: African representative of the Black Panther movement. And you know

2451
02:22:26,560 --> 02:22:31,920
Speaker 4: also we've come off of the October fifteenth is also

2452
02:22:32,720 --> 02:22:38,520
Speaker 4: the anniversary of the Panther Party founding and I think

2453
02:22:38,680 --> 02:22:43,760
Speaker 4: ultimately the Panther, the Panther itself is going to be

2454
02:22:43,959 --> 02:22:48,720
Speaker 4: a significant factor as we go forward. I was just

2455
02:22:48,800 --> 02:22:53,160
Speaker 4: saying a word, bro, the Elder at Jabu, that I

2456
02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:59,080
Speaker 4: do come in Mayor Brandon Johnson of Chicago. Mayor Johnson

2457
02:22:59,160 --> 02:23:02,879
Speaker 4: of Chicago was uh in him standing up to to

2458
02:23:03,000 --> 02:23:08,400
Speaker 4: Donald Trump UH and and his his military occupation of

2459
02:23:08,480 --> 02:23:12,879
Speaker 4: the community is UH that it's admirable and I do

2460
02:23:12,959 --> 02:23:17,920
Speaker 4: give him UH thumbs up for that. He has not

2461
02:23:18,000 --> 02:23:20,640
Speaker 4: been able to stop ice. He has not been able

2462
02:23:20,640 --> 02:23:24,600
Speaker 4: to stop ice. UH. And I and the honesty speaking,

2463
02:23:24,640 --> 02:23:27,400
Speaker 4: I don't think that the federal courts or the Supreme

2464
02:23:27,480 --> 02:23:31,120
Speaker 4: Court is going to stop the the immigration UH. The

2465
02:23:31,160 --> 02:23:37,400
Speaker 4: militarization of the immigrations forces that that are currently going

2466
02:23:37,560 --> 02:23:41,640
Speaker 4: rogue in Chicago and other areas. Yes, they're meeting resistance

2467
02:23:41,680 --> 02:23:45,320
Speaker 4: on the streets. But and and in some instances, the

2468
02:23:45,440 --> 02:23:49,120
Speaker 4: National Guard has been checked and its authority to arrest

2469
02:23:49,240 --> 02:23:53,160
Speaker 4: people in different cities. But uh, I don't see the

2470
02:23:53,240 --> 02:23:58,800
Speaker 4: Supreme Court uh or the federal courts effectively checking ice

2471
02:23:59,080 --> 02:24:02,680
Speaker 4: in this hour. And uh uh that's just a reality

2472
02:24:02,720 --> 02:24:05,680
Speaker 4: we got to deal with. You have aggressive president that's

2473
02:24:05,720 --> 02:24:10,800
Speaker 4: operating by fiat, operating by decree or executive order, and

2474
02:24:11,080 --> 02:24:15,520
Speaker 4: he's using that power to to his ability. Uh. Shifting

2475
02:24:15,560 --> 02:24:18,640
Speaker 4: to the international scene, because it's all tied together. As

2476
02:24:18,640 --> 02:24:22,960
Speaker 4: you mentioned about Molly, if you if you right now

2477
02:24:23,000 --> 02:24:26,000
Speaker 4: you got the United States, is UH is preparing to

2478
02:24:26,040 --> 02:24:29,120
Speaker 4: invade Venezuela. I mean this is this is not no,

2479
02:24:29,720 --> 02:24:33,040
Speaker 4: this is not no bluff. This is not a uh

2480
02:24:33,560 --> 02:24:35,800
Speaker 4: this is not a fake out game. They are going

2481
02:24:35,920 --> 02:24:39,720
Speaker 4: to My my prediction is unfortunately, but I have to

2482
02:24:39,760 --> 02:24:44,240
Speaker 4: deal with reality is that uh uh and it's tied

2483
02:24:44,280 --> 02:24:47,520
Speaker 4: to this immigration question that that they are going to

2484
02:24:47,640 --> 02:24:51,400
Speaker 4: go in and they are going to uh use some

2485
02:24:51,520 --> 02:24:59,520
Speaker 4: kind of special operations to arrest uh. President Maduro, Nicholas Maduro,

2486
02:25:00,240 --> 02:25:05,960
Speaker 4: it was likely to be arrested by American military forces,

2487
02:25:06,920 --> 02:25:10,800
Speaker 4: claiming that because they got a fifty million dollar bounty

2488
02:25:10,800 --> 02:25:14,360
Speaker 4: out on him, they got fifty million dollar reward out

2489
02:25:14,400 --> 02:25:17,200
Speaker 4: on his head. So just if you're looking at what's

2490
02:25:17,240 --> 02:25:20,120
Speaker 4: happening around the world, they're going to go in like

2491
02:25:20,200 --> 02:25:23,280
Speaker 4: on Manuel Noriega, and they're going to go in on

2492
02:25:23,400 --> 02:25:29,519
Speaker 4: Maduro and arrest him on the allegations of drug tracking.

2493
02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:34,880
Speaker 4: And they're already just extra judicially murdering people out in

2494
02:25:34,920 --> 02:25:39,000
Speaker 4: the Caribbean without trial or eviden it's just just outright

2495
02:25:39,200 --> 02:25:42,840
Speaker 4: murdered them. So I foresee that happening soon. As soon

2496
02:25:42,840 --> 02:25:46,680
Speaker 4: as there's some movement on Ukraine, I predict that they're

2497
02:25:46,680 --> 02:25:48,960
Speaker 4: going to try to go in and grab Maduro and

2498
02:25:49,000 --> 02:25:53,240
Speaker 4: bring him back to America, Okay, And so so I

2499
02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:56,879
Speaker 4: will say that in terms of Africa and Mally, you

2500
02:25:57,000 --> 02:26:01,640
Speaker 4: mentioned that Molly did a quid pro quote on the

2501
02:26:01,760 --> 02:26:04,879
Speaker 4: United States wave because United States said that if you

2502
02:26:05,160 --> 02:26:08,160
Speaker 4: come here, you got to put up as a fire

2503
02:26:09,720 --> 02:26:14,320
Speaker 4: dollars to come to America if you're from that country. Uh.

2504
02:26:14,360 --> 02:26:16,600
Speaker 4: And then Molly said, okay, well you got to put

2505
02:26:16,680 --> 02:26:20,520
Speaker 4: up ten thousand to come over here. And I know,

2506
02:26:21,280 --> 02:26:23,600
Speaker 4: I think we all like that because one of the

2507
02:26:23,720 --> 02:26:29,400
Speaker 4: main things we like Elder about the Sahl, about all

2508
02:26:29,440 --> 02:26:34,720
Speaker 4: of the Sahel States. We're talking about Ibraheim, Trejore, Bekuina

2509
02:26:34,800 --> 02:26:43,480
Speaker 4: Fosso obdual rockmand To Johnny and Gota, Uh, President Assimi

2510
02:26:43,640 --> 02:26:49,160
Speaker 4: Goiter of Bekina, Fossil, uh Uh and and Molly. Is

2511
02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:52,199
Speaker 4: what we're saying is that they stand up and they

2512
02:26:52,440 --> 02:26:59,520
Speaker 4: they purport to represent Uh equality and strength and and

2513
02:26:59,520 --> 02:27:01,640
Speaker 4: and now what you do to us, We're going to

2514
02:27:01,720 --> 02:27:05,920
Speaker 4: do to you over here in the Sahale States. That's

2515
02:27:05,920 --> 02:27:08,680
Speaker 4: why we like them. I think what we have to

2516
02:27:08,720 --> 02:27:12,959
Speaker 4: do right now is beyond guard. We have to be

2517
02:27:13,160 --> 02:27:16,400
Speaker 4: on guard to make sure that that these nations in

2518
02:27:16,480 --> 02:27:21,879
Speaker 4: Africa that we love Mali, uh and Thekina, Fossil in

2519
02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:25,520
Speaker 4: the and Niger, that these three great nations that this

2520
02:27:25,720 --> 02:27:29,600
Speaker 4: that this liberation and revolution is sustained. That that's the

2521
02:27:29,680 --> 02:27:32,760
Speaker 4: main thing we look at right now, that that revolution

2522
02:27:32,959 --> 02:27:38,120
Speaker 4: is sustained, and that what it represents for Pan africanness,

2523
02:27:38,120 --> 02:27:42,840
Speaker 4: for all African people is sustained, and that the hope

2524
02:27:43,480 --> 02:27:50,440
Speaker 4: for a Pan African remedy to our problem and the

2525
02:27:50,600 --> 02:27:55,039
Speaker 4: part of it that those states play in it, that

2526
02:27:55,040 --> 02:27:59,320
Speaker 4: that sustained and our hopes are not dashed. Uh. That's

2527
02:27:59,360 --> 02:28:01,520
Speaker 4: one thing we got to be concerned about and a

2528
02:28:01,600 --> 02:28:03,879
Speaker 4: part of to make sure that the people's hopes are

2529
02:28:03,920 --> 02:28:08,680
Speaker 4: not dashed. Because on this radio line, there's any number

2530
02:28:08,760 --> 02:28:14,760
Speaker 4: of persons whose hopes have been taken up about any

2531
02:28:14,840 --> 02:28:18,120
Speaker 4: number of things, of promises in our community, any number

2532
02:28:18,160 --> 02:28:23,120
Speaker 4: of marches ours included, any number of organizations. Their hopes

2533
02:28:23,160 --> 02:28:28,480
Speaker 4: are up. And then when the people's hopes are steinmied

2534
02:28:28,760 --> 02:28:31,400
Speaker 4: or they don't see the results, they can get frustrated.

2535
02:28:32,040 --> 02:28:34,680
Speaker 4: So we want to let everybody know that's listening that

2536
02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:38,600
Speaker 4: we are, that we are. We are in tight with

2537
02:28:38,720 --> 02:28:44,119
Speaker 4: the government and our brothers of Bekina Fosso, the great

2538
02:28:44,160 --> 02:28:47,520
Speaker 4: Ambassador Kula Ballet and the others here who are working

2539
02:28:48,000 --> 02:28:54,160
Speaker 4: to unite broken nowadays around the America and to build

2540
02:28:54,280 --> 02:28:57,360
Speaker 4: up where we hope to be a promise land for

2541
02:28:57,440 --> 02:29:01,200
Speaker 4: black people, be Kina Fossil. They were all into that

2542
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:05,160
Speaker 4: process and we support the King of Fossil and their independence.

2543
02:29:05,600 --> 02:29:08,760
Speaker 4: We're all in with them. But we want to also

2544
02:29:09,240 --> 02:29:12,640
Speaker 4: let everybody know that we're in it for the Pan

2545
02:29:12,800 --> 02:29:17,520
Speaker 4: African interest. And we're also saying that we will give

2546
02:29:17,600 --> 02:29:22,200
Speaker 4: Africa everything. We will give Africa our lives, and we

2547
02:29:22,360 --> 02:29:27,200
Speaker 4: also say that Africa stands up for us, that our

2548
02:29:27,760 --> 02:29:31,440
Speaker 4: brothers in Africa the name of Pan Africanism, that they

2549
02:29:31,879 --> 02:29:37,240
Speaker 4: stand up for us, our rights to return, our rights

2550
02:29:37,320 --> 02:29:41,680
Speaker 4: for to live in Africa, our rights for citizenship, our

2551
02:29:41,760 --> 02:29:46,080
Speaker 4: right to do business in Africa, our right to to Africa.

2552
02:29:47,040 --> 02:29:49,080
Speaker 4: We got that right too. Here. We didn't ask to

2553
02:29:49,160 --> 02:29:52,480
Speaker 4: be over here. We got over here. We were we were.

2554
02:29:52,560 --> 02:29:55,200
Speaker 4: Some deal was made to get us over here. We're

2555
02:29:55,280 --> 02:29:59,200
Speaker 4: not responsible for it. So I just summarize that to

2556
02:29:59,280 --> 02:30:01,960
Speaker 4: say that every we are steadily working on the Pan

2557
02:30:02,000 --> 02:30:06,200
Speaker 4: African front, but we're working for it on behalf of

2558
02:30:06,360 --> 02:30:10,800
Speaker 4: Africans in the West. And we believe in a mutual

2559
02:30:10,920 --> 02:30:17,000
Speaker 4: relationship of mutual respect and mutual progress, and so we're

2560
02:30:17,040 --> 02:30:20,080
Speaker 4: working on some things. We want to hear President Ibraheim

2561
02:30:20,200 --> 02:30:24,280
Speaker 4: Trejore live. We want to hear him live. We're tired

2562
02:30:24,400 --> 02:30:28,640
Speaker 4: of AI, artificial intelligence and memes telling us what he's saying,

2563
02:30:28,760 --> 02:30:32,120
Speaker 4: and we see his AI. I mean, so we got

2564
02:30:32,160 --> 02:30:34,560
Speaker 4: some serious Pan African work to do, and I want

2565
02:30:34,600 --> 02:30:37,200
Speaker 4: to elaborate any further off but let it be known

2566
02:30:37,240 --> 02:30:41,040
Speaker 4: that we're on the case and we expect some developments soon.

2567
02:30:41,160 --> 02:30:43,879
Speaker 4: But we're working strong behind the scenes. And thank you

2568
02:30:43,959 --> 02:30:45,160
Speaker 4: for your work, brother Elder.

2569
02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:48,760
Speaker 1: All right, thirteen half, that's fort on the Colonna. Go

2570
02:30:48,800 --> 02:30:51,160
Speaker 1: back to Venezuela. As you mentioned, the US has put

2571
02:30:51,160 --> 02:30:54,920
Speaker 1: a fifty million dollar bounty on Venezuelan's president's has Maduro.

2572
02:30:55,560 --> 02:30:59,720
Speaker 1: And obviously it's not about drugs. It's not about the

2573
02:30:59,760 --> 02:31:03,400
Speaker 1: fence that he says it's there. They're going after Venezuela.

2574
02:31:03,400 --> 02:31:06,000
Speaker 1: It's not even about their oil because the Maduro offered

2575
02:31:06,720 --> 02:31:08,520
Speaker 1: gave it. He says, I'll give it the oil. He

2576
02:31:08,600 --> 02:31:12,480
Speaker 1: offered that, and they rejected. It's about regime change. Why

2577
02:31:12,520 --> 02:31:15,960
Speaker 1: does he want to change the regime in Venezuela. Do

2578
02:31:16,040 --> 02:31:16,800
Speaker 1: you have any idea?

2579
02:31:18,560 --> 02:31:22,800
Speaker 4: Leak, I got some idea, I got Well, I think

2580
02:31:22,879 --> 02:31:26,960
Speaker 4: we all will. We students of history, we're familiar with

2581
02:31:27,000 --> 02:31:32,600
Speaker 4: the Monroe doctrine and President Monroe of eighteen twenty three

2582
02:31:32,840 --> 02:31:38,640
Speaker 4: or started the declaration of the Western Hemisphere was to

2583
02:31:38,680 --> 02:31:44,360
Speaker 4: be policed by America. As America got stronger around nineteen

2584
02:31:44,440 --> 02:31:48,080
Speaker 4: oh four, then you had Teddy Roosevelt. He came out

2585
02:31:48,080 --> 02:31:53,680
Speaker 4: with the Roosevelt Corollary, which pertains the Caribbean and Latin

2586
02:31:53,720 --> 02:31:59,360
Speaker 4: America and Roosevelt Corollary, which the corollary is a policy.

2587
02:32:00,040 --> 02:32:02,720
Speaker 4: And what it stated was that essentially that we are

2588
02:32:02,840 --> 02:32:06,800
Speaker 4: the policemen and the judge of the affairs of Latin

2589
02:32:06,840 --> 02:32:11,640
Speaker 4: America and the Caribbeans, and we will use military force

2590
02:32:13,000 --> 02:32:17,640
Speaker 4: at our just at our wheel or discretion. And that's

2591
02:32:17,720 --> 02:32:20,200
Speaker 4: been the US policy. And so we've seen it carried

2592
02:32:20,240 --> 02:32:25,120
Speaker 4: out against Maury's bishop in Grenada. UH. We've seen it

2593
02:32:25,240 --> 02:32:29,959
Speaker 4: carried out obviously against Cuba over the years, or tried

2594
02:32:30,080 --> 02:32:34,360
Speaker 4: to be carried out against Cuba over the over the years.

2595
02:32:34,560 --> 02:32:37,879
Speaker 4: Or we see in the US invasion Dominican Republic. We

2596
02:32:37,959 --> 02:32:42,160
Speaker 4: saw the UH the countries and and and ran Reagan

2597
02:32:42,280 --> 02:32:46,520
Speaker 4: and the intervention in Nicaragua and UH, and we saw

2598
02:32:46,600 --> 02:32:49,879
Speaker 4: them go in. We saw Poland power with the b

2599
02:32:50,040 --> 02:32:53,040
Speaker 4: one with the big bombas and go in. And they

2600
02:32:53,080 --> 02:32:56,200
Speaker 4: went in and got Noriega and they just locked Noriega up.

2601
02:32:56,320 --> 02:33:00,000
Speaker 4: So what we're saying is that America views Venezuela as

2602
02:32:59,800 --> 02:33:04,720
Speaker 4: its property of his backyard. And and he's a he's

2603
02:33:04,760 --> 02:33:10,840
Speaker 4: a disciple of Hugo Chavez. UH is Maduro Is. So

2604
02:33:10,959 --> 02:33:13,959
Speaker 4: we could say, you could theorize that because he's a

2605
02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:20,400
Speaker 4: socialist and he's a disciple of Chavez, that that's why

2606
02:33:20,440 --> 02:33:23,640
Speaker 4: they're going to get him. You could say that, Okay,

2607
02:33:23,720 --> 02:33:26,720
Speaker 4: well he offered up I just that he offered up

2608
02:33:26,840 --> 02:33:30,879
Speaker 4: some of his oil and his minerals tom and his

2609
02:33:31,080 --> 02:33:35,000
Speaker 4: rare earth minerals to America. That he's offered up some

2610
02:33:35,040 --> 02:33:38,520
Speaker 4: of that, And well, they still got the warships on

2611
02:33:38,600 --> 02:33:41,240
Speaker 4: them and the troops ready to go in, and and

2612
02:33:41,280 --> 02:33:44,240
Speaker 4: so obviously they're not going to be satisfied until they

2613
02:33:44,280 --> 02:33:49,280
Speaker 4: get him. Like Kadaffi, See, Kadafi was our brother, our

2614
02:33:49,400 --> 02:33:52,519
Speaker 4: most honorable president, Muamar Kadaffi.

2615
02:33:53,280 --> 02:33:53,400
Speaker 9: Uh.

2616
02:33:53,720 --> 02:33:56,560
Speaker 4: At one point he thought he could negotiate with with

2617
02:33:56,640 --> 02:34:00,600
Speaker 4: the West, and and he had. They've came into the embassy's,

2618
02:34:00,640 --> 02:34:04,840
Speaker 4: he had Condoleeza Rice and he was shaking hands with Obama.

2619
02:34:05,040 --> 02:34:08,240
Speaker 4: I'm not knocking Kadashki. I love Kadassi, but I'm just

2620
02:34:08,280 --> 02:34:10,480
Speaker 4: saying he tried to make a move to cut a

2621
02:34:10,520 --> 02:34:13,680
Speaker 4: deal with the West, and I guess his terms was

2622
02:34:13,720 --> 02:34:16,960
Speaker 4: nowhere good enough. The only term they wanted was complete

2623
02:34:17,040 --> 02:34:20,000
Speaker 4: control of the country. So that's what they want. Complete

2624
02:34:20,040 --> 02:34:23,480
Speaker 4: control of the country, complete control of the count council.

2625
02:34:24,360 --> 02:34:26,920
Speaker 4: And they claim they got evidence that he is a

2626
02:34:27,040 --> 02:34:30,160
Speaker 4: drug trafficker and they have indicted him in America and

2627
02:34:30,280 --> 02:34:32,520
Speaker 4: got a fifty million dollar bounty on his head.

2628
02:34:32,600 --> 02:34:33,880
Speaker 1: All right, hold, I thought, right then we got to

2629
02:34:33,920 --> 02:34:35,640
Speaker 1: step aside real quick. I'll let you finish your thought

2630
02:34:35,720 --> 02:34:37,160
Speaker 1: and get back. We got a bunch of folks want

2631
02:34:37,200 --> 02:34:38,600
Speaker 1: to talk to you at eight hundred and four or

2632
02:34:38,640 --> 02:34:41,400
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your

2633
02:34:41,400 --> 02:34:44,720
Speaker 1: phone calls next and grand rising family, and thanks for

2634
02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:46,800
Speaker 1: rolling with us on this Monday morning. Thanks for starting

2635
02:34:46,800 --> 02:34:48,720
Speaker 1: your week with us. At twenty minutes after the top

2636
02:34:48,800 --> 02:34:51,039
Speaker 1: that with I guess the turning Malik Shabasha covering a

2637
02:34:51,040 --> 02:34:53,640
Speaker 1: lot of areas this morning with a tournament wik sobody,

2638
02:34:53,760 --> 02:34:55,240
Speaker 1: how let you finish your thought? Then we got some

2639
02:34:55,240 --> 02:34:56,240
Speaker 1: folks who want to talk to you.

2640
02:34:57,000 --> 02:34:58,959
Speaker 4: Well, we go straight to the phone lines. Let's go

2641
02:34:59,000 --> 02:35:00,000
Speaker 4: straight to the phone line.

2642
02:35:00,480 --> 02:35:02,720
Speaker 1: All right, Line one, Money Mike's calling and I think

2643
02:35:02,760 --> 02:35:06,520
Speaker 1: it's in Baltimore, Money Bike, your thoughts or your question

2644
02:35:06,720 --> 02:35:08,160
Speaker 1: for Attorney Malik Shabbaz.

2645
02:35:08,400 --> 02:35:11,360
Speaker 4: Grand Rosen called Gran ros and mister Shabbaz, how you

2646
02:35:11,400 --> 02:35:13,080
Speaker 4: doing Hello.

2647
02:35:13,879 --> 02:35:15,680
Speaker 3: Can you hear money?

2648
02:35:15,720 --> 02:35:15,879
Speaker 6: Mike?

2649
02:35:15,959 --> 02:35:17,959
Speaker 4: Oh? Sorry, grand Rise And it's a pleasure to be

2650
02:35:18,000 --> 02:35:21,879
Speaker 4: on with you this morning. Same thing, sir, Same things. Look,

2651
02:35:21,879 --> 02:35:26,720
Speaker 4: I want to first address Charles's question, and my suggestion

2652
02:35:26,920 --> 02:35:31,880
Speaker 4: is to him and every other African American male and female,

2653
02:35:32,200 --> 02:35:35,360
Speaker 4: is to do what uh Minister Farkoon talked about at

2654
02:35:35,360 --> 02:35:38,600
Speaker 4: the million man March. Go home and first get your

2655
02:35:38,720 --> 02:35:41,960
Speaker 4: family on board. You know you can't. We can't get

2656
02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:44,520
Speaker 4: that together, then we can't do anything. And I'm talking

2657
02:35:44,560 --> 02:35:46,959
Speaker 4: about speak to the young people. I'm gonna give you

2658
02:35:47,000 --> 02:35:50,240
Speaker 4: some suggestions. When you have a family reunion, speak and

2659
02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:53,680
Speaker 4: address your family, tell them what's going on. Tell them

2660
02:35:53,760 --> 02:35:57,760
Speaker 4: what radio station to listen to. Not everybody has a

2661
02:35:57,959 --> 02:36:02,240
Speaker 4: wl or w l B in their town. Some people

2662
02:36:02,280 --> 02:36:05,400
Speaker 4: aren't getting this information. We think it's it's it's here

2663
02:36:05,480 --> 02:36:08,480
Speaker 4: because we get it every day, we don't really appreciate it.

2664
02:36:08,720 --> 02:36:14,560
Speaker 4: The next thing, uh, misters Shabbaz, is that you talked

2665
02:36:14,600 --> 02:36:20,160
Speaker 4: about Cardiffe. Cadiffe got murdered, murdered, assassinated because he wanted

2666
02:36:20,240 --> 02:36:24,160
Speaker 4: Africa to unite and form one currency. You want to

2667
02:36:24,160 --> 02:36:27,040
Speaker 4: talk about Venezuela. Why why the Americans are going to

2668
02:36:27,080 --> 02:36:28,920
Speaker 4: invave Venezuela. It's you said it.

2669
02:36:29,480 --> 02:36:32,160
Speaker 5: They're going after the rare earth metals and going after

2670
02:36:32,280 --> 02:36:35,240
Speaker 5: all And the main thing for us is we can't

2671
02:36:35,360 --> 02:36:39,959
Speaker 5: understand the power of the dollar. President Trump is in

2672
02:36:40,080 --> 02:36:44,920
Speaker 5: China and in Asia trying to secure some some some

2673
02:36:45,160 --> 02:36:49,080
Speaker 5: trade deals, and it's all about money, and we can't

2674
02:36:49,080 --> 02:36:51,760
Speaker 5: seem to get that simple point through our heads. If

2675
02:36:51,800 --> 02:36:55,560
Speaker 5: we would control our own money. You talk about designers,

2676
02:36:55,560 --> 02:36:57,840
Speaker 5: you talk about the Jews, they slander or they say

2677
02:36:57,879 --> 02:37:01,080
Speaker 5: you won't talk about Jewish people, you would the Holocaust

2678
02:37:01,240 --> 02:37:05,360
Speaker 5: because they're you, because they control the money. It's all

2679
02:37:05,400 --> 02:37:08,200
Speaker 5: about money people. So if we can't get that through

2680
02:37:08,240 --> 02:37:11,280
Speaker 5: our heads that we have to save, we have to invest,

2681
02:37:11,640 --> 02:37:15,280
Speaker 5: we're doomed. And sometimes you got to hit people with

2682
02:37:15,400 --> 02:37:17,959
Speaker 5: it hurts, and you gotta hurt their feelings. But I'm

2683
02:37:18,040 --> 02:37:21,520
Speaker 5: telling you, we won't get anywhere if we don't learn

2684
02:37:21,560 --> 02:37:24,800
Speaker 5: how to unite and control our own economics. And that

2685
02:37:24,920 --> 02:37:25,960
Speaker 5: starts with the family.

2686
02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:29,240
Speaker 3: All right, Thanks, Thanks Mike.

2687
02:37:30,520 --> 02:37:33,400
Speaker 4: Okay, Mike, I mean there's some truth in what you're saying.

2688
02:37:34,320 --> 02:37:36,120
Speaker 4: There's a lot of truth in what you're saying. We

2689
02:37:36,200 --> 02:37:39,800
Speaker 4: must we must unite the family, and we must we

2690
02:37:39,879 --> 02:37:46,400
Speaker 4: must control our economy and politics without economics, it's symbol

2691
02:37:46,480 --> 02:37:49,560
Speaker 4: with our sustance. We get what you're saying and and

2692
02:37:49,640 --> 02:37:51,279
Speaker 4: we we appreciate you, brother.

2693
02:37:52,160 --> 02:37:52,520
Speaker 3: All right?

2694
02:37:52,600 --> 02:37:55,279
Speaker 1: Twenty three after the top down. Jean's in Pikesville, Maryland.

2695
02:37:55,600 --> 02:37:58,640
Speaker 1: He's online. Five Jane grand rise you alway to turning

2696
02:37:58,760 --> 02:37:59,360
Speaker 1: lash your boys?

2697
02:38:00,240 --> 02:38:02,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, grand robbing everybody.

2698
02:38:02,920 --> 02:38:06,920
Speaker 17: Okay, So my question the centate around OPEC and bricks

2699
02:38:07,320 --> 02:38:09,840
Speaker 17: and also what Mike said in reference to when we

2700
02:38:09,879 --> 02:38:12,959
Speaker 17: get our families together that we should come to a

2701
02:38:13,080 --> 02:38:14,000
Speaker 17: common agreement.

2702
02:38:14,400 --> 02:38:16,000
Speaker 6: Is that agreement going to.

2703
02:38:15,920 --> 02:38:22,440
Speaker 18: Be assimilation or separation? We know when we get together

2704
02:38:22,480 --> 02:38:26,039
Speaker 18: with our family, sir, what what position are we taking?

2705
02:38:29,440 --> 02:38:32,359
Speaker 4: I love I love you, your your innocence and your statement.

2706
02:38:33,320 --> 02:38:35,320
Speaker 4: You know. But I do want to say this, my brother,

2707
02:38:36,320 --> 02:38:39,440
Speaker 4: if in twenty twenty five, if our people still trying

2708
02:38:39,480 --> 02:38:43,720
Speaker 4: to figure out what position they gonna they gonna, if

2709
02:38:43,720 --> 02:38:47,560
Speaker 4: they were still trying to figure out, and then then

2710
02:38:47,680 --> 02:38:50,480
Speaker 4: that I can say of our leadership that, okay, well,

2711
02:38:50,480 --> 02:38:52,840
Speaker 4: then I want to say that our leadership has failed

2712
02:38:52,879 --> 02:38:58,320
Speaker 4: to educate, yes, maybe advocate the correct position. And then

2713
02:38:58,360 --> 02:39:00,760
Speaker 4: I will and then all of them say, our people

2714
02:39:00,800 --> 02:39:03,320
Speaker 4: as a whole we got to wake up. There's only

2715
02:39:03,400 --> 02:39:04,160
Speaker 4: one position.

2716
02:39:05,200 --> 02:39:10,280
Speaker 6: When when Martin Luther King was assassinated, Roy ENnies and

2717
02:39:10,440 --> 02:39:16,840
Speaker 6: Core moved in the direction of of integration and assimilation,

2718
02:39:18,080 --> 02:39:20,560
Speaker 6: and and we've been moving in that past every since.

2719
02:39:22,320 --> 02:39:25,000
Speaker 4: Well we had well, we tried to move in that path.

2720
02:39:25,160 --> 02:39:27,959
Speaker 4: Our position, we ain't. We don't have no other position

2721
02:39:28,040 --> 02:39:33,000
Speaker 4: to take, brother because uh, the Magna and Donald Trump

2722
02:39:33,040 --> 02:39:35,520
Speaker 4: and white people in America are telling you that there's

2723
02:39:35,600 --> 02:39:39,480
Speaker 4: going to be severe curves on your integration. Your integration

2724
02:39:39,680 --> 02:39:43,880
Speaker 4: is your integration. You're not You're you're not You're not accepted.

2725
02:39:44,120 --> 02:39:46,520
Speaker 4: I mean, the handwriting has been on the wall and

2726
02:39:46,520 --> 02:39:49,800
Speaker 4: it's on the wall in our face right now that

2727
02:39:49,920 --> 02:39:56,360
Speaker 4: we're not accepted. We're not accepted here uh in in society.

2728
02:39:56,600 --> 02:40:02,160
Speaker 4: And they're therefore self determination and the position of Malcolm

2729
02:40:02,360 --> 02:40:06,400
Speaker 4: X and Marcus Garvey and and at his best Lewis

2730
02:40:06,440 --> 02:40:10,200
Speaker 4: Fara Khan, the almost silence Mohammad Colin Muhammad, those are

2731
02:40:10,200 --> 02:40:13,360
Speaker 4: all those are the best positions. The only position to

2732
02:40:13,400 --> 02:40:17,000
Speaker 4: be taken in this hour is for self determination, for

2733
02:40:17,120 --> 02:40:21,040
Speaker 4: doing for self and in whatever form we can get it.

2734
02:40:21,120 --> 02:40:23,960
Speaker 4: The highest form is in the complete liberation of Africa.

2735
02:40:24,879 --> 02:40:31,960
Speaker 4: Self determination here is otherwise called black power. I mean,

2736
02:40:31,959 --> 02:40:33,920
Speaker 4: can you say black power? You want to know what

2737
02:40:34,040 --> 02:40:36,760
Speaker 4: position to adopt? Throw your fists up right now in

2738
02:40:36,800 --> 02:40:39,840
Speaker 4: this radio and say black power and live it out

2739
02:40:39,879 --> 02:40:41,959
Speaker 4: every day because that's all you got left.

2740
02:40:43,400 --> 02:40:45,120
Speaker 1: But let me join me here at twenty six at

2741
02:40:45,160 --> 02:40:46,720
Speaker 1: the top of the council. Let me ask you this

2742
02:40:46,800 --> 02:40:50,280
Speaker 1: because you know, we had this discussion earlier with Black

2743
02:40:50,320 --> 02:40:54,840
Speaker 1: Economics Dot Org, doctor Brooks Ramison callings from Hawaii and

2744
02:40:54,879 --> 02:40:58,680
Speaker 1: they were talking about leadership. There's a third of black leadership.

2745
02:40:58,760 --> 02:41:00,840
Speaker 1: Is this what we need we look looking for? You

2746
02:41:00,920 --> 02:41:04,040
Speaker 1: mentioned you can mention Malcolm Marcus, Malcolm that the whole

2747
02:41:04,120 --> 02:41:08,520
Speaker 1: nine yards were there, even Jesse's an extented minister fire

2748
02:41:08,560 --> 02:41:11,320
Speaker 1: Cohon that the whole But it seems like there's nobody

2749
02:41:11,320 --> 02:41:13,920
Speaker 1: on the scene right now. Is this what you've seen?

2750
02:41:14,360 --> 02:41:18,400
Speaker 1: Just is it just maybe something something that's illusionary or

2751
02:41:18,440 --> 02:41:21,560
Speaker 1: temporary or are we still looking for that savior to

2752
02:41:21,560 --> 02:41:22,560
Speaker 1: come and save us?

2753
02:41:24,760 --> 02:41:27,640
Speaker 4: Okay, Brolly boy, you come into some heavy questions. So

2754
02:41:28,240 --> 02:41:30,440
Speaker 4: we want to say that we have to admit that

2755
02:41:30,480 --> 02:41:34,920
Speaker 4: there is a leadership crisis. He is a leadership crisis,

2756
02:41:35,000 --> 02:41:40,360
Speaker 4: and we're normally used to a minister Lewis far Khan

2757
02:41:40,640 --> 02:41:43,800
Speaker 4: being robust and on the scene, but he's obviously in

2758
02:41:43,840 --> 02:41:46,920
Speaker 4: his nineties and he hasn't been seen in public in

2759
02:41:47,000 --> 02:41:52,320
Speaker 4: a while. We're normally used to seeing a strong Vislam

2760
02:41:52,480 --> 02:41:56,800
Speaker 4: under his leadership in any number of ways. We were

2761
02:41:56,879 --> 02:41:59,880
Speaker 4: normally used to on a civil rights level, seeing Jesse

2762
02:42:00,120 --> 02:42:05,720
Speaker 4: Jackson very active and uh and uh, I guess Sharpton's

2763
02:42:05,720 --> 02:42:08,920
Speaker 4: still around, but I'll leave him to the side for

2764
02:42:08,959 --> 02:42:12,480
Speaker 4: a minute. So I just say to the central part

2765
02:42:12,480 --> 02:42:17,360
Speaker 4: of your question, where is the where is the black leadership?

2766
02:42:17,480 --> 02:42:19,920
Speaker 4: Or they could we could say that there is a

2767
02:42:19,959 --> 02:42:25,200
Speaker 4: black leadership vacuum, there is a black leadership desert in

2768
02:42:25,240 --> 02:42:31,720
Speaker 4: this hour. But uh, I wouldn't spread too much, is

2769
02:42:31,720 --> 02:42:35,199
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, because unless there's a vacuum, unless there's

2770
02:42:35,240 --> 02:42:40,120
Speaker 4: a boy, there's no chance for something new to come about.

2771
02:42:40,720 --> 02:42:43,720
Speaker 4: And sometimes what you're looking for is right in your

2772
02:42:43,720 --> 02:42:47,560
Speaker 4: face all the time. And so we have to look

2773
02:42:47,600 --> 02:42:51,680
Speaker 4: within ourselves, sisters and brothers. We don't need to we're

2774
02:42:51,680 --> 02:42:55,400
Speaker 4: not looking. We're not really looking for a new Jesus

2775
02:42:55,400 --> 02:42:58,720
Speaker 4: in this hour or a new type of Savior in

2776
02:42:58,760 --> 02:43:05,600
Speaker 4: this hour. Uh. Beyond that power that is within ourselves

2777
02:43:05,200 --> 02:43:08,560
Speaker 4: and there's going to be something new that comes about.

2778
02:43:08,840 --> 02:43:15,480
Speaker 4: These situations shall produce new leadership, and uh I wouldn't

2779
02:43:15,480 --> 02:43:21,160
Speaker 4: worry too much about having some strong leadership. Let me

2780
02:43:21,200 --> 02:43:24,439
Speaker 4: push you another many There are many out there and

2781
02:43:24,440 --> 02:43:26,600
Speaker 4: and you got one of them on this phone line.

2782
02:43:27,080 --> 02:43:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, let me let me throw this at you.

2783
02:43:29,440 --> 02:43:32,280
Speaker 1: At Toornament League. Some people say that the United States

2784
02:43:32,400 --> 02:43:35,760
Speaker 1: is going down. You know, they said Rome fell, Greace

2785
02:43:35,840 --> 02:43:39,640
Speaker 1: fell fell as well. So this is what's going to happen.

2786
02:43:39,640 --> 02:43:41,760
Speaker 1: We're on the precipice or we're all sliding down that

2787
02:43:41,879 --> 02:43:45,520
Speaker 1: hill towards that. Is there a pathway? Is there a

2788
02:43:45,560 --> 02:43:50,119
Speaker 1: way for Black America or black people globally to to

2789
02:43:50,120 --> 02:43:53,000
Speaker 1: to to survive whatever's going to happen, because some people

2790
02:43:53,000 --> 02:43:56,039
Speaker 1: think it's inevitable. You know, this is it. This is

2791
02:43:56,200 --> 02:43:58,600
Speaker 1: you know people. Some people are cheering it on because

2792
02:43:58,600 --> 02:44:00,680
Speaker 1: they said what they did to us answers as they

2793
02:44:00,720 --> 02:44:03,760
Speaker 1: deserve whatever they get. And some people are having, you know,

2794
02:44:04,000 --> 02:44:06,280
Speaker 1: second thoughts that they voted for Donald Trump and you

2795
02:44:06,320 --> 02:44:08,120
Speaker 1: know it was out of the question that it's just

2796
02:44:08,160 --> 02:44:11,280
Speaker 1: too late. So my question to you is what do

2797
02:44:11,320 --> 02:44:13,959
Speaker 1: we do as black people? What what what's our role,

2798
02:44:14,120 --> 02:44:16,040
Speaker 1: What's what? What hand do we play?

2799
02:44:19,160 --> 02:44:23,480
Speaker 4: Once again, I think the answers have been have been

2800
02:44:23,560 --> 02:44:24,360
Speaker 4: given to us.

2801
02:44:24,440 --> 02:44:24,560
Speaker 7: Now.

2802
02:44:24,600 --> 02:44:27,520
Speaker 4: If I'm a black man in Washington, d C. And

2803
02:44:27,640 --> 02:44:36,120
Speaker 4: I am uh, I think we must. I hate to

2804
02:44:36,280 --> 02:44:38,360
Speaker 4: use things that have been repeated so much, but when

2805
02:44:38,400 --> 02:44:42,800
Speaker 4: they say think globally and act locally, that's that's what

2806
02:44:42,959 --> 02:44:46,360
Speaker 4: reminds That's what comes to my mind. I mean, right now,

2807
02:44:46,520 --> 02:44:50,920
Speaker 4: there's so much that we can be doing that we

2808
02:44:50,959 --> 02:44:57,160
Speaker 4: don't need instructions for that relate to larger events. I mean,

2809
02:44:57,200 --> 02:44:59,800
Speaker 4: there's no black man on this line, for example, right

2810
02:44:59,800 --> 02:45:03,480
Speaker 4: here Washington, DC. I mean, now, I'll be embarrassed if

2811
02:45:03,480 --> 02:45:07,000
Speaker 4: I'm a black man and the only way crime can

2812
02:45:07,040 --> 02:45:13,920
Speaker 4: be reduced in my city is if Donald Trump or

2813
02:45:13,959 --> 02:45:18,040
Speaker 4: the white man sends the US military into my neighborhood

2814
02:45:18,280 --> 02:45:20,840
Speaker 4: or into my city. That's the only way I can

2815
02:45:20,879 --> 02:45:24,600
Speaker 4: see the murder ray drop. I mean, I mean, I'm

2816
02:45:24,600 --> 02:45:28,200
Speaker 4: gonna be offended by that. I'm not going to be

2817
02:45:29,480 --> 02:45:32,000
Speaker 4: acting like I don't have anything to do. I mean

2818
02:45:32,000 --> 02:45:33,959
Speaker 4: that means I got a mission to do. If I

2819
02:45:33,959 --> 02:45:36,360
Speaker 4: don't have an organization to get with, if I don't

2820
02:45:36,440 --> 02:45:40,160
Speaker 4: have a messiah to follow, I do got some black

2821
02:45:40,240 --> 02:45:48,560
Speaker 4: men and some activity in crime reduction and raising up

2822
02:45:48,680 --> 02:45:53,119
Speaker 4: black youth and black people in my area, in my neighborhood. See,

2823
02:45:53,400 --> 02:45:56,160
Speaker 4: so I can't say that any black man listening to

2824
02:45:56,200 --> 02:46:00,240
Speaker 4: this conversation who knows of another black man, Black thank you,

2825
02:46:00,840 --> 02:46:05,560
Speaker 4: Black area of Black project or Black territory that they

2826
02:46:05,600 --> 02:46:08,960
Speaker 4: shouldn't be making a contribution to that would get me,

2827
02:46:09,160 --> 02:46:11,840
Speaker 4: That would keep me busy already if I couldn't find

2828
02:46:11,920 --> 02:46:16,080
Speaker 4: a my league Zulu or or some other leader or

2829
02:46:16,240 --> 02:46:19,760
Speaker 4: organization to get with too. I know for a fact

2830
02:46:20,200 --> 02:46:23,040
Speaker 4: that I know where there are some black youth, there

2831
02:46:23,040 --> 02:46:25,640
Speaker 4: are some black women are in need. So what I'm

2832
02:46:25,680 --> 02:46:28,440
Speaker 4: saying is we got an enormous social problem out here

2833
02:46:28,920 --> 02:46:31,760
Speaker 4: that they stick the US military on. That's when you're

2834
02:46:31,800 --> 02:46:35,480
Speaker 4: seeing what we're talking about Brandon Johnson and mury L.

2835
02:46:35,560 --> 02:46:38,400
Speaker 4: Bowser and they trying to fight off Donald Trump, and

2836
02:46:38,440 --> 02:46:42,840
Speaker 4: then were they doing our job as black men? They

2837
02:46:42,879 --> 02:46:46,080
Speaker 4: are getting involved in a problem that we as men

2838
02:46:46,440 --> 02:46:49,440
Speaker 4: talking on this Million Man March anniversary of men have

2839
02:46:49,560 --> 02:46:53,320
Speaker 4: long have solved, should have solved. We should have solved

2840
02:46:53,360 --> 02:46:57,240
Speaker 4: this as men already and rendered the question moot. I mean,

2841
02:46:57,280 --> 02:47:00,840
Speaker 4: nobody can come on here talking about is the anniversary

2842
02:47:00,879 --> 02:47:06,480
Speaker 4: of the Million Man March, Million Man March thirty year anniversary.

2843
02:47:06,640 --> 02:47:10,400
Speaker 4: I mean, most of those objectives have not been fulfilled.

2844
02:47:11,440 --> 02:47:14,879
Speaker 4: We were giving instructions to go back to our community

2845
02:47:14,959 --> 02:47:21,040
Speaker 4: and to organize and to stop many of the wicked

2846
02:47:21,160 --> 02:47:24,000
Speaker 4: acts that we have been committing against each other. Have

2847
02:47:24,120 --> 02:47:27,440
Speaker 4: we done that? Have we have black men driven down

2848
02:47:27,520 --> 02:47:31,760
Speaker 4: the murder rate in our community? Have we have we mentored?

2849
02:47:31,879 --> 02:47:34,880
Speaker 4: Have we raised up an army out here? Do black

2850
02:47:34,959 --> 02:47:39,600
Speaker 4: women feel safer? I mean, we got man. You shouldn't

2851
02:47:39,600 --> 02:47:45,280
Speaker 4: even be asking. Nobody should be frustrated from lack of work.

2852
02:47:45,879 --> 02:47:49,440
Speaker 4: We should be frustrated from overwork. We're just working too

2853
02:47:49,480 --> 02:47:52,360
Speaker 4: hard in the black community because there are too many

2854
02:47:52,560 --> 02:47:57,240
Speaker 4: immediate social objectives. I mean, I'm still walking out here

2855
02:47:57,320 --> 02:47:59,240
Speaker 4: every day. I see when I go into a local

2856
02:47:59,280 --> 02:48:05,040
Speaker 4: store on it's either my Ethiopian brother or sister, or

2857
02:48:05,160 --> 02:48:11,080
Speaker 4: it's Asiatic person from Asia running the store, or white people.

2858
02:48:11,600 --> 02:48:16,000
Speaker 4: They're not Black people from America. We're not serving food

2859
02:48:16,080 --> 02:48:19,400
Speaker 4: in our community. I mean, if you in the real estate,

2860
02:48:19,440 --> 02:48:22,840
Speaker 4: you should be all the way busy trying to combat gentrification.

2861
02:48:23,240 --> 02:48:26,359
Speaker 4: If you're in the restaurant business or the economic business.

2862
02:48:26,640 --> 02:48:29,080
Speaker 4: You should be triple time over time trying to get

2863
02:48:29,080 --> 02:48:32,560
Speaker 4: back to black market. Hell, I'm fighting all of these

2864
02:48:33,560 --> 02:48:37,320
Speaker 4: problems here and dealing politically here, but I'm on a

2865
02:48:37,360 --> 02:48:41,480
Speaker 4: personal mission to take back the civil detrt market in

2866
02:48:41,560 --> 02:48:45,920
Speaker 4: my community, the damn personal injury market. I'm looking around

2867
02:48:45,920 --> 02:48:50,240
Speaker 4: here and Morgan and Morgan and Top Dog Law and

2868
02:48:50,320 --> 02:48:54,560
Speaker 4: a bunch of outsiders have come in and taken billions

2869
02:48:54,680 --> 02:48:58,800
Speaker 4: just in my area. Billions and injury claims suck the

2870
02:48:58,879 --> 02:49:02,680
Speaker 4: blood right out of our community. So my schedule is

2871
02:49:02,720 --> 02:49:05,160
Speaker 4: full because just part of mind jen is taking the

2872
02:49:05,400 --> 02:49:09,920
Speaker 4: injury market back from outsiders and enemies that don't give

2873
02:49:09,920 --> 02:49:14,600
Speaker 4: a damn about us. So I'm just capitalized. That to

2874
02:49:14,680 --> 02:49:20,240
Speaker 4: say is that no one has the right to despair.

2875
02:49:21,240 --> 02:49:23,959
Speaker 4: No one has a right to despair. With as much

2876
02:49:24,480 --> 02:49:28,279
Speaker 4: obvious work as it is to be done, as leadership,

2877
02:49:28,520 --> 02:49:31,240
Speaker 4: we're supposed to weave it together and make it all

2878
02:49:31,280 --> 02:49:36,000
Speaker 4: make sense. With some of our elders passing, we have challenges.

2879
02:49:36,400 --> 02:49:39,039
Speaker 4: We could do better, but we can do better. With

2880
02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:41,640
Speaker 4: the next generation. We can do better. We hope to

2881
02:49:41,720 --> 02:49:44,120
Speaker 4: do better. We hope to do better with this generation

2882
02:49:44,240 --> 02:49:47,480
Speaker 4: I'm in and the generation coming after. But no one

2883
02:49:47,560 --> 02:49:50,280
Speaker 4: here can say that they don't have a social work

2884
02:49:50,320 --> 02:49:54,920
Speaker 4: to do, an economic work to do in our community.

2885
02:49:54,959 --> 02:49:57,560
Speaker 4: As we are under attack right now, there's lots of

2886
02:49:57,600 --> 02:49:58,000
Speaker 4: work to do.

2887
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:01,840
Speaker 1: Tenty five away from the tap of the out, let's

2888
02:50:01,879 --> 02:50:04,560
Speaker 1: see twenty four. So let's take the break and we

2889
02:50:04,600 --> 02:50:06,160
Speaker 1: come back. We got a bunch of folks want to

2890
02:50:06,200 --> 02:50:08,480
Speaker 1: talk to you, Attorneyment League family. You two can join

2891
02:50:08,560 --> 02:50:10,879
Speaker 1: our conversation. Reach out to us at eight hundred four

2892
02:50:10,959 --> 02:50:13,880
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

2893
02:50:13,879 --> 02:50:16,800
Speaker 1: your phone calls next and grind Rising family, thanks for

2894
02:50:16,879 --> 02:50:18,840
Speaker 1: rolling with us on this Monday morning. Thanks for staring

2895
02:50:18,840 --> 02:50:20,560
Speaker 1: your week with us. And this is the final week

2896
02:50:20,600 --> 02:50:23,080
Speaker 1: of October twenty twenty five. I guess it is the

2897
02:50:23,120 --> 02:50:26,000
Speaker 1: founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice Attorneyment League. Shabaz

2898
02:50:26,440 --> 02:50:29,120
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six.

2899
02:50:29,480 --> 02:50:32,279
Speaker 1: Carls reaching out to us from Palm Beach County in Florida.

2900
02:50:32,320 --> 02:50:36,280
Speaker 1: He's online one, Carl grand Rising your question for attorneyman

2901
02:50:36,360 --> 02:50:38,440
Speaker 1: League Grand Rising Family.

2902
02:50:39,520 --> 02:50:41,920
Speaker 16: Malik, I kind of looked at things a little bit

2903
02:50:41,920 --> 02:50:45,240
Speaker 16: differently when I think about the responsibility for us to

2904
02:50:45,320 --> 02:50:50,160
Speaker 16: find a responsible leader, and all of the information that

2905
02:50:50,200 --> 02:50:52,520
Speaker 16: I've been receiving, like from the Minister and the others,

2906
02:50:52,600 --> 02:50:55,800
Speaker 16: is that we're supposed to develop the God within ourselves

2907
02:50:56,000 --> 02:51:00,600
Speaker 16: and with us understanding that we've been miseducated, and even

2908
02:51:00,680 --> 02:51:04,120
Speaker 16: with people like doctor Fox he have the addicted to

2909
02:51:04,160 --> 02:51:07,280
Speaker 16: White to show us the process. We have a brother

2910
02:51:07,360 --> 02:51:10,240
Speaker 16: that from the FBI who came to tell us about

2911
02:51:10,240 --> 02:51:13,320
Speaker 16: the count in tail pro and the different things that

2912
02:51:13,360 --> 02:51:16,120
Speaker 16: are the different tenets of improvement that we are very

2913
02:51:16,480 --> 02:51:19,600
Speaker 16: we don't invest in. And that's the problem that I see.

2914
02:51:20,280 --> 02:51:23,920
Speaker 16: We don't invest in education, and we don't invest in

2915
02:51:24,080 --> 02:51:26,520
Speaker 16: a new education, not the same education, not giving our

2916
02:51:26,520 --> 02:51:29,720
Speaker 16: scholarships like what we've been doing, but investing in getting

2917
02:51:29,720 --> 02:51:32,400
Speaker 16: it proper information to us, because I think many times

2918
02:51:32,680 --> 02:51:35,360
Speaker 16: the people that are leading us, supposedly leading us, they

2919
02:51:35,400 --> 02:51:39,000
Speaker 16: never went into an introspection of themselves to see that

2920
02:51:39,080 --> 02:51:41,560
Speaker 16: they was a knowledge but truly about the things that

2921
02:51:41,680 --> 02:51:44,560
Speaker 16: impede our progress. And I was just wondering, how did

2922
02:51:44,600 --> 02:51:48,039
Speaker 16: you factor in the miseducation of the Negro, the count

2923
02:51:48,120 --> 02:51:51,039
Speaker 16: in tail pro and looking at the fact that we

2924
02:51:51,120 --> 02:51:53,800
Speaker 16: are all gods, children are the most high God, and

2925
02:51:53,800 --> 02:51:56,879
Speaker 16: we need to look at the God within for that

2926
02:51:57,000 --> 02:51:59,280
Speaker 16: kind of superior guidance. And I was just wondering what

2927
02:51:59,320 --> 02:51:59,959
Speaker 16: you think of that.

2928
02:52:01,520 --> 02:52:05,440
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, I appreciate the intention and the science of

2929
02:52:05,520 --> 02:52:11,520
Speaker 4: your question. Of course, were all taught to look for

2930
02:52:11,560 --> 02:52:17,800
Speaker 4: the leader within, or to look for the God within ourselves.

2931
02:52:17,560 --> 02:52:21,200
Speaker 4: That's very true. That's what the black man must do

2932
02:52:21,320 --> 02:52:25,040
Speaker 4: right now, in order to be a man. So I

2933
02:52:25,040 --> 02:52:30,040
Speaker 4: do agree that there's divine power or within every person

2934
02:52:30,160 --> 02:52:33,640
Speaker 4: that is listening to me in this hour and specifically

2935
02:52:33,680 --> 02:52:37,200
Speaker 4: speaking to the black man. But I do want to

2936
02:52:37,240 --> 02:52:41,640
Speaker 4: say that the white man have a leader. The white man,

2937
02:52:43,200 --> 02:52:46,320
Speaker 4: he may be doing whatever he's doing in his spear

2938
02:52:46,520 --> 02:52:50,520
Speaker 4: or his field or economics business, but they clearly got

2939
02:52:50,560 --> 02:52:55,200
Speaker 4: a leader. They got an eighty year old leader named

2940
02:52:55,200 --> 02:52:59,720
Speaker 4: Donald Trump, and that's who they have put their national

2941
02:53:00,480 --> 02:53:07,000
Speaker 4: aspirations behind. To give effect to what their objectives for,

2942
02:53:07,200 --> 02:53:09,920
Speaker 4: they give it in the form of a leader in

2943
02:53:09,920 --> 02:53:13,000
Speaker 4: this case, and form of a government, a powerful government,

2944
02:53:13,480 --> 02:53:17,520
Speaker 4: the United States Government of America. So we'll say that

2945
02:53:18,280 --> 02:53:22,600
Speaker 4: it's unquestionable that we do need leadership that we can

2946
02:53:22,640 --> 02:53:27,240
Speaker 4: get behind, and hopefully we'll stop being hard headed and

2947
02:53:27,360 --> 02:53:31,560
Speaker 4: get behind leadership that has been given to us because

2948
02:53:31,600 --> 02:53:34,720
Speaker 4: we really, my brother, can't say that we've been miseducated.

2949
02:53:34,800 --> 02:53:38,480
Speaker 4: I mean we've had doctor Francis cresh Welson. We have

2950
02:53:38,640 --> 02:53:42,560
Speaker 4: had doctor James Small, Professor James Small. We've had doctor

2951
02:53:42,959 --> 02:53:47,600
Speaker 4: Yusef ben Yakunin. We've had doctor Khalib Mohammad honorible silence,

2952
02:53:47,680 --> 02:53:52,400
Speaker 4: Mohammed Honoba Lewis Farakhan. I mean, this show right here

2953
02:53:52,480 --> 02:53:55,879
Speaker 4: is just spreading out reams of education. I mean this

2954
02:53:55,959 --> 02:53:59,119
Speaker 4: is all. This is a university in and of itself. Now,

2955
02:53:59,120 --> 02:54:05,560
Speaker 4: our people are are not devoid for a lack of knowledge.

2956
02:54:06,080 --> 02:54:10,280
Speaker 4: They have the knowledge, but they have they have. We

2957
02:54:10,400 --> 02:54:13,520
Speaker 4: have not achieved the goal yet. So what I want

2958
02:54:13,560 --> 02:54:19,120
Speaker 4: to say, my dear brother, is stay tuned. I guess

2959
02:54:19,360 --> 02:54:21,360
Speaker 4: I should give out a number at a certain point.

2960
02:54:21,360 --> 02:54:25,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start giving out a number at a certain point.

2961
02:54:26,040 --> 02:54:29,560
Speaker 4: But we have to have leadership, brother, We have to

2962
02:54:29,600 --> 02:54:33,800
Speaker 4: have leadership. But it's true that our leaders should come together,

2963
02:54:34,520 --> 02:54:38,760
Speaker 4: and the white man has maga they have. That's a coalition.

2964
02:54:38,959 --> 02:54:42,440
Speaker 4: They have come together. But they do have a strong man,

2965
02:54:42,640 --> 02:54:46,800
Speaker 4: a leader that carries out their objectives and from their perspective,

2966
02:54:47,280 --> 02:54:50,040
Speaker 4: he's serving them well. Whether we like him or not.

2967
02:54:50,240 --> 02:54:52,960
Speaker 4: We don't like him, so we cannot say that he's

2968
02:54:53,040 --> 02:54:55,840
Speaker 4: not taking care of some business whether we like it

2969
02:54:55,959 --> 02:54:58,800
Speaker 4: or not. So so hopefully we'll get wise up and

2970
02:54:58,879 --> 02:55:00,800
Speaker 4: we want you know, we've had we had plenty of

2971
02:55:00,879 --> 02:55:03,720
Speaker 4: leadership in front of us that we didn't obey. We

2972
02:55:03,760 --> 02:55:06,879
Speaker 4: didn't obey Lewis for our time. We didn't obey the

2973
02:55:06,879 --> 02:55:10,280
Speaker 4: Honorable Elijah Muhammed. We didn't obey Minister Malcolm X. We

2974
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Speaker 4: didn't obey Minister I mean, we didn't obey the Honorable

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02:55:13,400 --> 02:55:17,000
Speaker 4: Marcus Mozaiah GARDI. We left Huey Newton hanging out there

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Speaker 4: to a great extent, we left Kawame Tiray hanging out there.

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Speaker 4: So I believe that from the from divine guidance, we'll

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02:55:24,840 --> 02:55:29,240
Speaker 4: be giving a few more chances. And uh and we

2979
02:55:29,280 --> 02:55:32,880
Speaker 4: can't waste those chances. And uh so, let me give

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02:55:32,879 --> 02:55:36,480
Speaker 4: a couple of numbers our brother for those for legal reasons.

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02:55:36,920 --> 02:55:40,360
Speaker 4: If a person is seeking me for legal reasons, you

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02:55:40,440 --> 02:55:47,080
Speaker 4: can text two for zero fixate eight zero seven three

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02:55:47,160 --> 02:55:53,000
Speaker 4: five two four oh six eight eight zero seven three five. Again,

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02:55:53,080 --> 02:55:55,160
Speaker 4: we have been, we have been taking on a certain

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02:55:55,200 --> 02:55:59,679
Speaker 4: amount of false arrest and police cases dealing with the

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02:55:59,720 --> 02:56:02,680
Speaker 4: police at least crack down in Washington, d C. And

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Speaker 4: in other areas. That's two four oh six eight eight

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02:56:06,879 --> 02:56:10,199
Speaker 4: zero seven three five. If you have those reports and videos,

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Speaker 4: will take them. And as I said before at two

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Speaker 4: four oh six eight eight oh seven three five, that's

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Speaker 4: also the personal injury line of Attorning Malik. I make

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02:56:23,680 --> 02:56:26,240
Speaker 4: no mistake about it. As a businessman, I'm trying to

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02:56:26,280 --> 02:56:31,040
Speaker 4: take our share of this personal injury market back. So

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02:56:31,120 --> 02:56:35,200
Speaker 4: it comes back to the liberation struggle. Two four oh

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Speaker 4: six eight eight oh seven three five for legal causes

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02:56:39,959 --> 02:56:44,640
Speaker 4: including personal injuries and police cases. But now if you

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02:56:44,680 --> 02:56:49,080
Speaker 4: are a brother like the gentleman who's here and other activists,

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02:56:49,080 --> 02:56:53,240
Speaker 4: and you just want to reach us because you want hope,

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02:56:53,280 --> 02:56:57,680
Speaker 4: political hope, and you want support and you don't want

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02:56:57,680 --> 02:57:01,800
Speaker 4: to feel like it's over for black folks, you can

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02:57:01,920 --> 02:57:07,400
Speaker 4: text two O two three six nine nine nine eight

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Speaker 4: six three six nine nine nine eighty six and many

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02:57:11,840 --> 02:57:14,480
Speaker 4: of the great organizers that you hear on this station,

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02:57:14,720 --> 02:57:21,560
Speaker 4: brother Elder Ajabu, brother Obi ek boone, the Mississippi candidate,

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Speaker 4: Sister Priscilla Till if you want to help black people

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02:57:25,840 --> 02:57:31,280
Speaker 4: and text two O two three six nine nine, nine

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02:57:31,400 --> 02:57:35,840
Speaker 4: eighty six. And whether it's Bekina, Fossil, Mississippi, or somewhere else,

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02:57:36,400 --> 02:57:39,120
Speaker 4: we'll get you plugged in so you can make your

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02:57:39,440 --> 02:57:42,240
Speaker 4: contribution towards our rise.

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Speaker 1: Right turn away from that, Brother Williams calling you from Memphis, Tennessee.

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02:57:48,760 --> 02:57:51,360
Speaker 1: Attorney Shabaz wants to speak with their grand rising brother

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02:57:51,400 --> 02:57:53,599
Speaker 1: William The attorney Malik Shabbaz.

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02:57:54,200 --> 02:57:56,240
Speaker 9: Frand rising a Malakum family.

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Speaker 14: Thank you for taking my call.

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Speaker 19: I have a question and a comment. I am very

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02:58:02,320 --> 02:58:04,120
Speaker 19: fool and I know our time is short, so I'll

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Speaker 19: try to condense it as much as I can. One

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02:58:07,240 --> 02:58:13,880
Speaker 19: of the best ways that a teacher and a leader

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02:58:14,640 --> 02:58:22,720
Speaker 19: measures his teachings is the way the student takes to

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02:58:23,440 --> 02:58:27,560
Speaker 19: those teachings. When they take that information that's given to

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Speaker 19: them and then they take it and run with it

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Speaker 19: and turn it into themselves or create their own cipher,

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02:58:36,640 --> 02:58:39,080
Speaker 19: then that teacher is proud.

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Speaker 4: They know that they.

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Speaker 20: Did their job because we took what they gave us

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Speaker 20: and we made it. So so all of the leaders

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Speaker 20: that came before us, all of them that contributed, just

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02:58:56,520 --> 02:59:00,400
Speaker 20: like brother Attorney said, we you know, we we failed

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Speaker 20: a little bit, or we failed a lot. We just

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Speaker 20: passed the thirtieth anniversary of the Million Man March as

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Speaker 20: well the twentieth anniversary of the Minions More Movement. All

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Speaker 20: of our answers were in that lecture that the Minister

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Speaker 20: day on the Nine Ministries and the Millions More Movement.

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Speaker 20: That would have freed us over night. We have not

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Speaker 20: picked up that that that torch to carry it like

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02:59:39,440 --> 02:59:45,600
Speaker 20: we hear it. It needs to be rebusiness chick quickly

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Speaker 20: because this door is about to close. I don't know

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Speaker 20: what happened to the co conveners of the Minions More Movement,

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Speaker 20: But brother Karl, the Minister, the mini he put that

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Speaker 20: movement in the hands of the people. He put it

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Speaker 20: in the hands up the people. I gave you the

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Speaker 20: ideal take it now and run with it, and we

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Speaker 20: didn't do it. We have to stop looking at the Minister.

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Speaker 20: We love him, we respect to me. Is our guide,

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Speaker 20: but we have to stop looking at him and take

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Speaker 20: what he said and make it so.

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Speaker 3: Right in the question for him, respond.

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Speaker 20: Yes, sir, yes, My question is what happened, brother Malie.

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Speaker 20: Why did we not move through? Why did we not

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Speaker 20: take up that manner of the megas morbully that was

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Speaker 20: the greatest decision for us that would have freed us overnight.

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Speaker 4: Thank you brother. What is your brother you have made?

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Speaker 4: First of all, what is your name? In what city

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Speaker 4: you're calling from? My name is brother William Mohammed out

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Speaker 4: of Memphis, Tennessee. I'm in see miles fifty five. Okay,

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Speaker 4: my dear brother. I want to say, I want to

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Speaker 4: say honestly that that God speaks to you and God

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Speaker 4: speaks through you. Because as much as we hear about

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Speaker 4: the Million Man March, sometimes I ask myself, well, why

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Speaker 4: doesn't the Nation of Islam remember the Millions More Movement

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Speaker 4: of two thousand and five or or their other anniversaries,

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Speaker 4: because that in some of those other anniversaries, specifically the

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Speaker 4: one you cite, the Millions More Movement of two thousand

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03:01:46,680 --> 03:01:51,800
Speaker 4: and five, there's a process there, and there's a foundation

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03:01:52,080 --> 03:01:56,879
Speaker 4: there that is that is very, very important and bears

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Speaker 4: witness to what you're saying. The nine Ministries proposed by

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Speaker 4: the Nation of Islam and Minister Lewis farchived as was

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Speaker 4: believable at that time, because not only were there nine

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Speaker 4: ministries with his power of organizing or attraction, there was

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Speaker 4: the personnel at the table to fulfill those ministries at

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Speaker 4: least substantively or a foundationally. I mean, you had doctor

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Speaker 4: Julianne Malveaux, she's great in education. You had black nationalists

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Speaker 4: at my table, we had attorneys, and you had any

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Speaker 4: number of specialists, and you had a platform. And so

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03:02:47,920 --> 03:02:51,959
Speaker 4: a question would be what happened. It's too long to

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Speaker 4: get into. I was one of the co convenience for

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Speaker 4: that movement, and it could be too long to get

3078
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Speaker 4: into other than to say that that all of that

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03:03:05,560 --> 03:03:09,040
Speaker 4: could have and should have been followed up on stronger

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Speaker 4: and better. It could have and should have been strong

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Speaker 4: followed up on stronger and better by by a number

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Speaker 4: of parties, by a number of parties. And I agree

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Speaker 4: with your assessment that the door is closing to fulfill

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03:03:24,920 --> 03:03:30,600
Speaker 4: some of these objectives. You know, brother, all I will

3085
03:03:30,680 --> 03:03:34,440
Speaker 4: say to you is that again I've given my numbers

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03:03:34,480 --> 03:03:38,120
Speaker 4: out and uh, I'm willing to talk. We're willing to

3087
03:03:38,200 --> 03:03:42,119
Speaker 4: talk with with the leadership of the Nation of Islama

3088
03:03:42,120 --> 03:03:46,920
Speaker 4: at any time. We feel like what the honorable Elijah

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03:03:47,000 --> 03:03:50,200
Speaker 4: Muhammad offered before he passed, in terms of what he

3090
03:03:51,000 --> 03:03:55,320
Speaker 4: accumulated and accomplished, it was a real remedy. I'm talking

3091
03:03:55,320 --> 03:04:01,320
Speaker 4: about black banks, farm land, fisheries, opertise. I mean, all

3092
03:04:01,360 --> 03:04:04,840
Speaker 4: of that is a remedy to poverty, gentrification. And we

3093
03:04:04,879 --> 03:04:08,640
Speaker 4: feel like the Honorable Lize Muhammad solution is is probably

3094
03:04:08,640 --> 03:04:11,280
Speaker 4: the best solution that's ever been given to us. And

3095
03:04:11,320 --> 03:04:14,360
Speaker 4: to that extent, that makes the nation of Islam Lam

3096
03:04:14,600 --> 03:04:19,039
Speaker 4: very important, and it makes some of these revelations that

3097
03:04:19,120 --> 03:04:23,120
Speaker 4: you spoke on these ministry is very important. And so

3098
03:04:23,760 --> 03:04:28,280
Speaker 4: again our text here for political causes, for political reasons

3099
03:04:28,280 --> 03:04:34,360
Speaker 4: are two oh two three six nine nine eight six

3100
03:04:34,480 --> 03:04:39,200
Speaker 4: two o two three six eighty six. Uh. And we

3101
03:04:39,280 --> 03:04:43,800
Speaker 4: must say that that the program of the Honorabilize Muhammad

3102
03:04:43,800 --> 03:04:48,440
Speaker 4: and carried out intelligently absolutely will keep us busy and

3103
03:04:48,440 --> 03:04:50,959
Speaker 4: well and will really help us get out this condition.

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03:04:51,640 --> 03:04:53,560
Speaker 4: And I thank you for your words, Sir.

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Speaker 1: All right, and I thank you Brother Malik, thank you

3106
03:04:56,879 --> 03:04:58,520
Speaker 1: for sharing your thoughts with us this morning.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Sir, I just want to say again for legal

3108
03:05:05,640 --> 03:05:10,440
Speaker 4: reasons and legal purposes only you can either text two

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03:05:11,160 --> 03:05:17,240
Speaker 4: two four oh six eight eight zero seven three five

3110
03:05:17,959 --> 03:05:21,600
Speaker 4: two four oh six eight eight zero seven three five.

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03:05:22,080 --> 03:05:25,800
Speaker 4: That's the law Office of Malik Shabbazz and Black Lawyers

3112
03:05:25,840 --> 03:05:33,120
Speaker 4: for Justice. That's for civil litigation, police litigation, and personal injuries,

3113
03:05:33,160 --> 03:05:38,360
Speaker 4: personal injuries and even accidents. But for political reasons. If

3114
03:05:38,400 --> 03:05:41,640
Speaker 4: you want to help bring about black unity and you

3115
03:05:41,720 --> 03:05:45,320
Speaker 4: want to be able to carry out some dialogue between

3116
03:05:46,920 --> 03:05:50,400
Speaker 4: all of these fractured organizations and causes and try to

3117
03:05:50,400 --> 03:05:53,320
Speaker 4: make some sense out of this, you can text us

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03:05:53,840 --> 03:05:58,160
Speaker 4: text us at two O two three six nine nine

3119
03:05:58,480 --> 03:06:02,760
Speaker 4: nine eight six, and Black Lawyers for Justice, the Black

3120
03:06:02,800 --> 03:06:08,279
Speaker 4: Panther Movement, friends of President Ibraheim Trail, and all forces

3121
03:06:08,280 --> 03:06:12,760
Speaker 4: that I'm associated with. We make ourselves available to all leaders,

3122
03:06:13,160 --> 03:06:17,720
Speaker 4: to all the public, to all other tribes that are

3123
03:06:17,720 --> 03:06:22,920
Speaker 4: out there listening. Whatever you were, our arms are open

3124
03:06:23,080 --> 03:06:25,720
Speaker 4: regardless to whatever happened in the past. As you hear

3125
03:06:25,800 --> 03:06:28,959
Speaker 4: on this line, our people are suffering. They want some hope.

3126
03:06:29,400 --> 03:06:32,640
Speaker 1: We're here and that's about so we're just done for

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03:06:32,640 --> 03:06:35,000
Speaker 1: the day, you said, coming on, Kevin's getting ready to

3128
03:06:35,040 --> 03:06:37,440
Speaker 1: get us out of the studio. But thank you, Attorney Leak,

3129
03:06:37,520 --> 03:06:40,600
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing your thoughts with us this morning. Hey,

3130
03:06:40,640 --> 03:06:44,680
Speaker 1: family clashes dismissed. School's over for the day. Stay strong,

3131
03:06:44,720 --> 03:06:47,400
Speaker 1: stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning,

3132
03:06:47,480 --> 03:06:50,480
Speaker 1: six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB,

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03:06:50,800 --> 03:06:54,000
Speaker 1: then at DMV on fourteen fifty wol