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Speaker 1: comes to talking about and with this. All this conversation

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Speaker 1: Coffee guest line probably did not anticipate this would be

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Speaker 1: the question I'd be asking, But Joel, I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: By the way, when you were a kid, how big

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing about the thing about Wisconsin, the thing

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Speaker 2: I mean, the only major thing I think with the

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Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell's a quarterback, whisper Kevin O'Connell's quarterback whipper. Look

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Speaker 2: I had Arizona, Michigan, Houston.

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Speaker 1: Not bad Arizona, I always though would be a cool

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Speaker 2: My I have some I have some bracket picking rules

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Speaker 1: It is, no question about it, all right, Joel. What's

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Speaker 2: Well, we've got the owners meetings here in a week

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Speaker 2: to Baltimore. What what you know? What's what's what's going

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Speaker 1: To do that, all right, Joel, appreciate it. We'll be

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Speaker 1: looking for the coverage, appreciate the time as always, and

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Speaker 1: I'll we'll talk to you before then. But on race

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Speaker 1: Jaba House Colebrew Coffee guest line when it comes to

435
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Speaker 1: the badgers, who doesn't like the sound of that little badger?

436
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Speaker 1: Now we had just mentioned this. Uh you had mentioned

437
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Speaker 1: that badgers, which they're weasels, right, and then what you

438
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Speaker 1: said they're burrowing weasels that stay up all night. Yes,

439
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Speaker 1: so basically badger should be my nickname, right, and this

440
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Speaker 1: is what they sound like right here? Do we have

441
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Speaker 1: the sounder ready? You gave me the thumb up that

442
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Speaker 1: we have the sounder. I give you the thumb up

443
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Speaker 1: that we had. Tony East, Oh well, I knew that

444
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Speaker 1: Tony's more than thrilled to sit here and wait. Tony

445
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Speaker 1: knows that if he yeah, that badger sounds happy truthfully,

446
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Speaker 1: Tony East joining us on the program, Tony, I know

447
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Speaker 1: we're going to talk w NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement and

448
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Speaker 1: pacers as well. But I need to ask you this

449
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 1: first off, because I don't know the answer to this.

450
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Speaker 1: Do you know the difference between an otter and a beaver? No?

451
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Speaker 3: I don't, nor do I. You said, have some.

452
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Speaker 4: Portly, I was gonna make it joke at that soundboard

453
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Speaker 4: he played was actually me.

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Speaker 3: Not a soundboard.

455
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Speaker 1: But then they had to answer a trivia question if

456
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Speaker 1: you could Eddie get that fired up. I'm not saying

457
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Speaker 1: that Tony East is excited to join the program, but

458
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Speaker 1: we caught him on the hot mic just a couple

459
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Speaker 1: of minutes ago getting preps for the show, right, isn't

460
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Speaker 1: that right, Tony?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's begin with this. The w NBA Collective Collective

463
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Speaker 1: Bargaining Agreement. This has obviously come about because of the

464
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Speaker 1: television contract that's come in. I believe it's what three

465
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Speaker 1: hundred million that is part of the television contract. But

466
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Speaker 1: what are the specifics and is this now at finality?

467
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Speaker 4: Basically yes, I mean they haven't signed a term sheet

468
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Speaker 4: yet or actually put together in the document. You know,

469
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Speaker 4: lawyers will be working several hours a day. It's till

470
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Speaker 4: the end of the month to do that. But I

471
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Speaker 4: mean there are a lot of like boilerplate things that

472
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Speaker 4: just kind of happened. There was obviously a lot of

473
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Speaker 4: stuff they had to actually figure out, which is why

474
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Speaker 4: so you know, one hundred straight hours of mid March

475
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Speaker 4: negotiation to get it done, but.

476
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Speaker 3: Significant salary increases, and the players.

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Speaker 4: Really wanted you know, a net revenue you know, a

478
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Speaker 4: revenue number and not a profit slash net revenue number

479
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Speaker 4: that their salaries were based on.

480
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Speaker 3: They got that at.

481
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Speaker 4: Twenty percent, which is huge for them given how much

482
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Speaker 4: the league, because of the TV contracts we're talking about

483
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Speaker 4: and so many of the things has grown in the

484
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Speaker 4: last couple of years.

485
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Speaker 3: So a huge win for them. Jake minimum salaries.

486
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Speaker 4: Next year are going to be higher than the maximum

487
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Speaker 4: salary was for any player last year.

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Speaker 3: It's a huge change.

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Speaker 5: Now does this effect like Caitlyn Clark and Aliah Boston's

490
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Speaker 5: rookie contracts. Are they going to get a raise in

491
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Speaker 5: their salaries or are they still on the contract they

492
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Speaker 5: signed when they first got drafted by the Fever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds like again all this is what has

494
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Speaker 4: kind of been spilled out but not officially put in riding.

495
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Speaker 4: It sounds like as of now it will happen as

496
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Speaker 4: rookie contracts from players drafted twenty twenty two or later

497
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Speaker 4: will be bumped up to the minimum.

498
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Speaker 3: So Kaylen and Aalia will.

499
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Speaker 4: Both get salary increases, which will still be hell below

500
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Speaker 4: their actual market value if they were to be free agents,

501
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Speaker 4: but their salary will both be jumping up.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Tony, let me share with you what I mentioned yesterday,

503
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Speaker 1: and I want you to because you've been You have

504
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Speaker 1: covered the WNBA as thoroughly as anyone in this market

505
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: and probably in any market where there's a WNBA franchise.

506
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Speaker 1: The if you look, Tony at the different leagues that

507
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: are tried, right, I mean the football, Like every couple

508
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Speaker 1: of years we get a different league that comes out

509
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: and they're trying to compete with like Spring Football, compete

510
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Speaker 1: with the NFL, et cetera. And eventually the money runs out,

511
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Speaker 1: and so you know, they fold up tent and they

512
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Speaker 1: go home. The WNBA. There have been times where, especially

513
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Speaker 1: when the NBA franchises were not subsidizing any longer, where

514
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: it would have been the easy thing to do to

515
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Speaker 1: say enough is enough. But they weathered the storm. And

516
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Speaker 1: I think it's very smart. And you tell me if

517
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Speaker 1: there's accuracy to this, It would be my observation, as

518
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Speaker 1: I shared yesterday, what you're seeing now is a league

519
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: of young women that have their entire lives known no

520
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: other than to know that there is a professional league

521
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Speaker 1: under which to aspire. And there were pioneers Cheryl Swoops

522
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Speaker 1: and Cynthia Cooper and then you know Tamika Catchings. There

523
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Speaker 1: were pioneers for them to pattern their game after. And

524
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Speaker 1: while the league may have been underwater financially during those times,

525
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Speaker 1: what it was doing was setting precedent and benchmark for

526
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Speaker 1: improved quality of play for women's basketball in giving young

527
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Speaker 1: women a benchmark as to where to go, and that

528
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: has raised the level of play and the overall competition

529
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Speaker 1: and the stardom to the point where now finally this

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Speaker 1: has become a possibility for the league and for its players.

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Speaker 1: And it's all a testament to the pioneer work that

532
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Speaker 1: was done years ago when others wanted to throw in

533
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Speaker 1: the towel.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. Like, you know, a lot of

535
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Speaker 4: teams folded.

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Speaker 3: Along the way, right.

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Speaker 4: You want to draw parallels to those other sporting leagues

538
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 4: that try to pop up here and there, but you know,

539
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 4: it's like whatever you want to be the UFL or what.

540
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 4: I can't even name them. There's so many val NFL

541
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 4: versions out there now. But you know, the w NBA

542
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 4: is the premier women's basketball league, like those those leagues

543
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 4: are not that for whatever.

544
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 3: Sport they're trying to.

545
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Speaker 4: Start some other league for and that the w always

546
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 4: had that going for them if it was the best

547
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 4: collection of women's basketball players you could possibly get, and

548
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Speaker 4: that was worth in messing.

549
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Speaker 3: And it kept growing and growing and growing.

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Speaker 4: And it really helps to have that backing and a

551
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 4: lot of shared resources from NBA franchises.

552
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Speaker 3: I mean, for a while, over half.

553
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Speaker 4: The teams were maybe it was exactly half, I can't remember,

554
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 4: you know, under the exact same ownership and a lot

555
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Speaker 4: of the same.

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Speaker 3: Facilities in the same vein as the Fever.

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Speaker 4: But you know, the Sparks use a lot of Lakers facilities,

558
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 4: that's in the Liberty. You could go on and on,

559
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 4: and that really helped a lot of things keep going

560
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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 3: And so eventually it got to the point.

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Speaker 4: Where I mean it was like the NBA, right, It

563
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 4: took too the eighties for the NBA to really take off,

564
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 4: even though it had popularity and traction before that.

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Speaker 3: You know, it got the point now with the w

566
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Speaker 3: where it's like that.

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00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 4: Where it's really exploding. There's some stars that are super popular.

568
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 4: All the franchises are, you know, finally making money and

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Speaker 4: it's all paid off.

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Speaker 3: They kept getting seed funding.

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Speaker 4: I think the last round was in twenty twenty one,

572
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Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, I can't remember. It was right around COVID

573
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Speaker 4: And they'll finally be able to pay back some of

574
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 4: those creditors now with all this new money. Right, So,

575
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 4: it has been a really slow build from a lot

576
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 4: of the like the times you're talking about. But you know,

577
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 4: while the franchises themselves couldn't.

578
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: Stay supported or fulled or moved. You know, Tulsa was

579
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: a thing five years ago. They're in Dallas now.

580
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 4: The Aces moved from San Antonio to Vegas. It did

581
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 4: work out in the end, and now that they keep

582
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 4: adding teams, they're going to be three more by the

583
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Speaker 4: end of the decade. Like it's just it's a huge

584
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 4: deal now and the money shows it did.

585
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Speaker 1: The collective bargaining negotiation period and the uncertainty thereof that

586
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Speaker 1: stalled the ability for teams to obviously sign contracts. Correct.

587
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no one's done anything yet.

588
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Speaker 1: So does that mean the Fever basically have the possible ability.

589
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying the probability, but the possibility that they

590
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Speaker 1: are this year going to look a little bit like

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Speaker 1: Darren Dereze's first year in Indiana in terms of a

592
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: late developed roster. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I'll be very curious how this works because every single

594
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 4: player in the league, I think there were only two veterans,

595
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 4: Colnnie Brown and I can't remember the other one who

596
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: signed the multi year contracts last year. So basically the

597
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 4: entire w is free agents. And I am talking to

598
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Speaker 4: people like kind of around the league or connected or whatever,

599
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 4: have heard two trends of thought. One is that free

600
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 4: agency you'd want to be patient because there's so much

601
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Speaker 4: more money. You want to see what all is out

602
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 4: there for you survey your offers and see what you

603
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 4: can get. But the other line of thought is like

604
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 4: the whole free agency process is going to be in

605
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 4: like a week or less, because it'll be like right

606
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Speaker 4: around the draft and the training camp starts six days later.

607
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Speaker 3: If these off these and calendars are to be.

608
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Speaker 4: Believed, and if it's so fast, some people expect a

609
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 4: lot of people to just kind of default the familiarity

610
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 4: on like a shorter deal. So there's kind of two

611
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 4: ways of looking at it. Where with so much more money,

612
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 4: maybe some of the actual best players, their free agencies

613
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 4: are really dramatic and they're switching, But a lot of

614
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Speaker 4: the role players will just stay.

615
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Speaker 3: In their market.

616
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Speaker 4: They don't have a lot of time to explore and

617
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Speaker 4: then figure it out next year and years later when

618
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 4: the off seasons are more similar.

619
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Speaker 3: But I would I mean, the Fever have Clark.

620
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Speaker 4: And Boston or they already have two stars, so I

621
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Speaker 4: expect to look somewhat familiar, but at least a little

622
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Speaker 4: different like every team at the top.

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Speaker 5: Will Tony how many players last year did WNBA teams

624
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 5: have the choice of like freezing so the Golden State

625
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 5: Valkyries could not select them in an expansion draft?

626
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Speaker 3: The answer was six last year.

627
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's gonna be different with you know, with

628
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Speaker 4: the way like the Fever only had two players under contract.

629
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, exactly.

630
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Speaker 5: I was going to say, how's the timeline of all

631
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Speaker 5: this going to work now? Because, as you noted, like

632
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Speaker 5: ninety percent of the league or free agents, so none

633
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Speaker 5: of these teams have anybody to freeze. Does this mean

634
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Speaker 5: that you know, the two expansion teams get to select

635
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Speaker 5: from the free agents.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how this all works.

637
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so the the advantage you get as the expansion

638
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 4: teams is like you know that, we'll see how the

639
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 4: rules actually shake out. But like, for example, Kelsey Mitchell

640
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 4: is core eligible. It's basically the WNBA franchise tag, right,

641
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 4: she was an All W level player last year, so

642
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 4: she would be core eligible if she got picked by

643
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 4: Toronto or Portland as well. So that is a player

644
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 4: that Fever could protect to keep those rights restricted free agency.

645
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: That's the thing in the NBA as well. That's also

646
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 3: a thing in the w.

647
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Speaker 4: Like that would transfer to the new teams. If you

648
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 4: remember Tenny fag Benle from the Fever two years ago,

649
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: she was a restricted free agent. The Valkyrie is drafted

650
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 4: hurt in the expansion draft even though she was a

651
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 4: free agent, because they knew they were going to be

652
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 4: able to sign her in free agency because of that

653
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 4: restricted tag. So even though there are so many free

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Speaker 4: agents who are available, a lot of teams will have

655
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Speaker 4: to decide on their player their free agency rights. Basically

656
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Speaker 4: who they want to keep from that group and who

657
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Speaker 4: they want to lose, and it's going to be really

658
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 4: tricky for Portland Toronto to kind of feel the rosters

659
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 4: and actually get contracts on their team. But I think

660
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 4: they will be looking to draft free agents who they

661
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 4: can get their core rights, or they can get their

662
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 4: restricted rights, whatever, so they know under most circumstances they'll

663
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 4: be able to keep the actual players that they draft.

664
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Speaker 3: But Golden State last year picked a lot up.

665
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 4: International rights and things like that, so we'll see what

666
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 4: actual strategy those teams choose. But I think that is

667
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 4: where the Beaver will start as core elvia players, restricted players,

668
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 4: so you know, Lexi Hall, Kelsey Mitchell, things like that

669
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Speaker 4: will be their first choices to protect in the draft.

670
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Speaker 1: You know, it leads to kind of a fun question

671
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Speaker 1: on this end. Tony Tony East is our guest. He's

672
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Speaker 1: on the job a house Colbrew coffee guest line the

673
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Speaker 1: NBA if it's getting set in fact, to expand into

674
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Speaker 1: Seattle and Las Vegas. I'm old enough to remember when

675
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: the Heat and the Magic and then later the Raptors

676
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: and the Grizzlies came into the league, the way the

677
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: expansion drafts worked, and I remember some of the pace,

678
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Speaker 1: some of the players that the Pacers left unprotected. Right,

679
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: Scott Skiles is one of them that was unprotected. I

680
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: think Greg Dryling and Stuart Gray were left unprotected. Uh,

681
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Speaker 1: if the if there are going to be if there's

682
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Speaker 1: going to be an expansion draft and the Pacers had

683
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Speaker 1: to leave players on their roster that is expected to

684
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Speaker 1: be their next year or whatever, it's going to be unprotected,

685
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: who are guys that you would put in that category.

686
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Speaker 3: For the Pacers? Yes, yeah, the actual expensive draft is coming.

687
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Speaker 3: It sounds like in right, you know through three years?

688
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Speaker 1: And I is it three years? Though I didn't realize

689
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Speaker 1: it was that far away.

690
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: I think it's said twenty twenty eight twenty nine, and that's.

691
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Speaker 1: Probably hard to determine. That's probably hard to determine, right, But.

692
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Speaker 4: It actually is an interesting question of like do you

693
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Speaker 4: try to align your contracts to make it very obvious

694
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Speaker 4: at the time who.

695
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: Your six players are? Right?

696
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 4: Because they have outside of Tyre's Alibert and I think

697
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 4: Aaron Eastmath, they don't have anybody under contract for twenty

698
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: twenty eight twenty nine, right, So like do.

699
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Speaker 3: You want to add guys too many beyond that season?

700
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Speaker 3: You know?

701
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: How they strategize that will actually be fascinating because.

702
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: They have a clear top six right now.

703
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 4: But you know, if McConnell gets older, if some players

704
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 4: ago who knows Albert and looks posed to kills all

705
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 4: this stuff, like their salary cat situation could change. There's

706
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 4: so many variables at play for the next couple of years.

707
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 4: And there's currently a collectively bargained set of rules for

708
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Speaker 4: expansion drafts.

709
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: But I wonder if.

710
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 4: With two teams and with you know, new CBA rules

711
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 4: that have really kicked in and.

712
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: Kind of tightened the finances for teams, if they would

713
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: change them at all.

714
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 4: It's a little early to say, but right now it

715
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 4: seems like the six they would have in a contract

716
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 4: then are obvious.

717
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 3: But the NBA team has just changed so fast you

718
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: never know.

719
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Speaker 1: Okay, Tony, when you talk about the core six, clearly

720
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Speaker 1: zubots is one of those core players for next year

721
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Speaker 1: now that we and we don't see him yet with

722
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Speaker 1: all the time the guys that he's going to be

723
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Speaker 1: primarily running with next year, But how would you assess,

724
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Speaker 1: both offensively and defensively where he so far fits with

725
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Speaker 1: what they want to do.

726
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, he the power always really staying I mean, have

727
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 4: you been to any games he's played at Jakes.

728
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, So the thing that stood out to.

729
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 4: Me so far as for this team that obviously they

730
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 4: like got famous ish for their playoff defense the last

731
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 4: two years, being like very forceful and powerful and not

732
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 4: fun to play against the facers did. But they're a

733
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 4: tempo team, like, they're finesse, they're fast, and it works

734
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 4: really well for them because their players all fit that style.

735
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 3: So Zubat's being this very powerful player like.

736
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 4: Really stands out on some of these possessions where it's

737
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 4: just like a little slower and the balls thrown to

738
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 4: him and his defenders slightly overcommitted, and so he just

739
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 4: kind of overpowers a helper and dunks and draws the

740
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 4: fouts like, oh, like they haven't had that kind of

741
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 4: element in a while, which that alone has been really

742
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 4: fun for me to just soak up, like, oh, this

743
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 4: is different. How are they going to fit in a

744
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 4: player whose kind of natural gifts and style are a

745
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 4: little different than what they're used to. So it's been

746
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 4: kind of interesting so far. The thing that I think

747
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 4: has been not as good as maybe he would have

748
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 4: hoped or as advertised as his touch has been really poor.

749
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 4: He's missing a lot of those kind of hook shots

750
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 4: within eight feet so far that he's shooting like barely

751
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 4: over fifty percent on twoes to this point, even though

752
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 4: he was in almost seventy percent with the Clippers. His rebounding,

753
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 4: he's actually struggled. Clinging got him a lot last night.

754
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 4: The Knicks have messed him up a few times on

755
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 4: the glass, and that's supposed to be something that he's

756
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 4: good at.

757
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: He's still pulling in a lot of rebounds.

758
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 4: Eight to ten for night, but I think even he

759
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 4: even admitted after the first next game at home that

760
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 4: his rebounding was not getting up.

761
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: The mental Robinson gave him some trouble.

762
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Speaker 4: So those are the areas that I think he himself

763
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 4: would like to see morning. He's being putting a lot

764
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Speaker 4: of pick and roll coverages, but the power with the finishes.

765
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Speaker 3: Has been great.

766
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Speaker 4: I think he's already passing at a better level than

767
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 4: I expected him too. He's hitting the guys in the

768
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 4: bag side. He keeps it moving very quickly. And the

769
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 4: thing that looks awesome is his screening is just unbelievable.

770
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 4: I mean, he levels guys, it opens up so much space.

771
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 4: Last night when they were playing Portland, he set a

772
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 4: screen on Aaron Nesmith's defender City Sosco that freed Aaron E.

773
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 4: Smith up so for so much time that he shot

774
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: the ball, missed, tracked down his offensive rebound all before

775
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 4: his defender got back to him, and then he passed

776
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 4: into somebody else for a basket. So already adding things

777
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 4: they haven't had, certainly has some stuff that he would

778
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 4: like to work on with more time. But I would

779
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 4: like to also remind everybody that Pascal Thiakam's defense didn't

780
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 4: look particularly good right after he got traded, like they

781
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 4: had to figure out how he fit, he had to

782
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 4: figure out what he needed to do, and vice versa.

783
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 4: So I don't expect it to be perfect right away,

784
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 4: but it has been really fun to see just totally

785
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: new elements that this Pacers team hasn't a had basically

786
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 4: since the bonus.

787
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Speaker 1: I thought Tony Miles Turner heads some interesting comments about

788
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: zubots where he basically said, you know, one of the

789
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: things that's going to be a trick. I guess, for

790
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: lack of a better phrase, for Indiana to figure out

791
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: is Halliburton needs space. Halliburton works best when He's got

792
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: a ton of space, right, and with Turner you were

793
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: able to move things fluidly so that even if there

794
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: was an area that was clogged, it didn't take long

795
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: for the guys on the floor to reach space and

796
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: let Halliburton kind of kind of water bug around, right

797
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: and bounce around. Does zubots limit the way in which

798
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: you can do that?

799
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 4: I do wonder that, right, That's something that you know,

800
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 4: all the other skills that were talked about with him

801
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 4: when it came to fit and what he would add

802
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 4: and all that have all been shown in some way

803
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 4: except for any form of shooting. He has not even

804
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 4: like taken a jumper outside the paint to this point.

805
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 4: And that that Turner aspect, I mean, Haliburn talked about

806
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 4: that for years.

807
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: He always would talk about how he thought the best pick.

808
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 4: And roll partner for him was like a guy like

809
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 4: for Shaun Holmes, who was a very good screener who

810
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 4: had a really good floater game when they were partners

811
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 4: in Tech. But then working with Miles and seeing how

812
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 4: much the three point shooting and spacing helped him was

813
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 4: a big thing.

814
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: Like defenders, would.

815
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 4: You know, space out and and make sure that Turner

816
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 4: wasn't open. Even in the plot. Sometimes I thought defenses

817
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 4: were too scared of Miles Turner. But he can't make

818
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 4: in threes throughout the postseason right now is very important

819
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 4: for the Pacers. So they don't have that element now,

820
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 4: and so I wonder how they're going to manufacture that

821
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: with Zubots. Not that I don't think they can do it.

822
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 4: Lots of teams with not great shooting bigs can create space.

823
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: But I do wonder specifically.

824
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 4: How much again, having a better screener is going to

825
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 4: get Haliburn space right just his defender getting leveled by

826
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: the Viata zubots, what's that can open up Tony terms

827
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 4: of driving Lench.

828
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: When you look lastly, Tony, when you look at this roster,

829
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: and this is a fluctuating question because we've had this

830
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 1: discussion a lot with this group and this this gap

831
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: year for the Pacers. But I mean, this is no

832
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: disrespect to the players that you may name, but one

833
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: of the aquariusm if you will, are empty calorie guys.

834
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: Guys that are going out there and you realize like

835
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: they're giving you minutes, they're logging it, They're not doing

836
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: anything terrible. They're not. They don't. They're not hurting you

837
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: when they're on the floor, but they're just kind of

838
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: empty calorie guys that are logging minutes because you're in

839
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: a situation where somebody's got a log minutes. And then

840
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: when it comes to it and in reality you have

841
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: a representation of who you really are, they're not really

842
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form a part of who

843
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: you are. Give me Indiana's empty calorie guys.

844
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 4: I'm not sure they have very I mean, a lot

845
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 4: of these guys their team have contributed in the postseason before,

846
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 4: so it's hard to call them that specifically. Kobe Brown

847
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 4: right now feels like he ficks that bill a little bit.

848
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: I mean, he has been one of their best rebounders

849
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 4: on the perimeter, but certainly getting more chances than he

850
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 4: would in a competitive environment right now and taking a lot.

851
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: Of shots and swooping in for a lot of rebounds.

852
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 4: But I don't I don't even know if it'll be

853
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 4: on the team next year, and none the least playing,

854
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 4: you know, real rotation level minutes. A lot of their

855
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 4: two way guys who are playing certainly would fall that category,

856
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 4: mostly because they're young and inexperienced. Like, it's great that

857
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 4: they're playing well. It's it's meaningful for the future that

858
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 4: they're playing well. Not playing poorly obviously, but maybe not

859
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 4: super significant in terms of them doing this for real minutes.

860
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: Next season or anything like that.

861
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: But you know, it's really hard. It's like some of

862
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 4: these guys are putting up stats that are probably bigger.

863
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 3: Than they would in normal environment.

864
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 4: I think of Jars Walker and Ben Shepard in that way,

865
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 4: but I don't even consider them empty because one, they

866
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 4: need to be developing the skills they're doing, and two

867
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 4: we've seen them be good in real, non empty situation,

868
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 4: so their production being higher is still good, even if

869
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 4: it's not necessarily something I expect to be replicated next season.

870
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: Okay, finally, Tony, I need your final four. Give me

871
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: your final four and your college bracket. Give me your

872
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Speaker 1: upset special I have to.

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Speaker 3: Can I pull it up? I don't even remember.

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Speaker 1: Sure, obviously, something you strongly believe in your picks here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, big, go through Ken Pum and learn about who

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Speaker 4: these teams are.

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Speaker 3: Like right before I actually picked.

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Speaker 4: That's right, My champion is the Duke Blue Devils before

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Speaker 4: I click on it, see look at me very off

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Speaker 4: the beaten path.

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Speaker 3: My final four is Duke Illinois Michigan and.

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Speaker 1: Three final four or three big tens of the final four.

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Speaker 3: Do I have any big upsets in the first round?

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Speaker 3: Not really, not really.

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Speaker 1: Eighty That reminds me of nineteen eighty five because eighty

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Speaker 1: five you have three out of the Big East in

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Speaker 1: the final four.

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question about college basketball?

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, because the way I'd like, I always researched

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Speaker 4: the tournament the same way and it never actually helps me.

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Speaker 3: It's just like a fun thing to do.

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Speaker 4: Do you feel like nil is making upsets less likely

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Speaker 4: the like the worst teams in the tournament.

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Speaker 1: Are, Because that's what I talked about. If you look

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Speaker 1: at last night at Miami of Ohio, Miami of Ohio

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Speaker 1: represents the magic of the tournament because you have teams

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Speaker 1: that are really well coached, they space, they understand each other,

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Speaker 1: they've played, they've got experience there. You know they've got

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Speaker 1: each other's back. And I don't know that right now,

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Speaker 1: we're going to see the impact like it's going to

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Speaker 1: be in five years, when it's going to be harder

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Speaker 1: and harder to keep those teams together. And that's the challenge, right,

903
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Speaker 1: because it used to be. As I mentioned earlier, Tony,

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Speaker 1: there are two ways to make a dinner. One is

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Speaker 1: you buy one that you put in the microwave and

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Speaker 1: you pull it out and it's great and it's instantly ready,

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Speaker 1: and that's what like the one and done, loaded players

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Speaker 1: and teams are. The other is you have a crock

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Speaker 1: pot where you put stuff in and you let it

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Speaker 1: summer for a really long time and it's a really

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Speaker 1: good meal, but it's not as quickly available to you

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Speaker 1: as the first. And I don't know how many crockpots

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Speaker 1: we're going to have moving forward. Unfortunately. I think it

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Speaker 1: works itself out eventually, but I think we're going to

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Speaker 1: go through a basketball is a cyclical game, right, and

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Speaker 1: so we'll see how that works out.

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Speaker 4: It just feels like there's a wider gap and there's

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Speaker 4: less teams that I'm like, oh, that eleven seed very

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Speaker 4: clearly is awesome on offense or something like that, like

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Speaker 4: something that really pops like that.

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Speaker 3: And maybe there will be a lot of upsets. But

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Speaker 3: it just feels a little different to me for some reason.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that. The other thing that does

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Speaker 1: hurt a little bit, and it's still the magic is

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Speaker 1: still there. I mean, the one shining moment is still sentimental.

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Speaker 1: And the incredible matchups of eight nine's that you realize

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Speaker 1: how incredible the tournament was able to put together matchups

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Speaker 1: that are just perfectly coincided with one another. All of

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Speaker 1: that is still there. But the thing you lose now

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Speaker 1: is the familiarity of player. You know, Oh, man, wait

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Speaker 1: till this guy's a junior, how good he's going to be?

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Speaker 1: You know, because now it's like, who are these guys?

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Speaker 3: Right? But it's still some question I had. I was

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Speaker 3: talking to a basic player about yesterdaction too.

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Speaker 4: If you went to a non power five school, would

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Speaker 4: you rather win the NIT or make the ant tournament

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Speaker 4: but lose in the first round?

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Speaker 1: I think most would go with the latter. Would they say?

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Speaker 1: What was the answer?

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Speaker 4: I will not tell you who they were, what their

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Speaker 4: answers were, but I thought it was a fun discussion.

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Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, And like I said, last night, Prairie

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Speaker 1: View A and M they get in and they win

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Speaker 1: a tournament game and it's in the first four. But

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Speaker 1: you know what, they were the only game on TV.

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Speaker 1: Everybody was watching it, and it was awesome. And it

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Speaker 1: was fun and good for them. That's their final four.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: In Wyoming was awesome. I loved the first four.

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Speaker 1: It should always be in date and somebody's like, got

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Speaker 1: plugs are dump, but I don't care. It's a tradition

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Speaker 1: in dating every year first four. I love it, I

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Speaker 1: love Tony, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: It's family, guys,