WEBVTT - Carrie (50th Anniversary) 0:00:01.690 --> 0:00:04.150 The Frames Per Second Podcast. 0:00:09.530 --> 0:00:12.660 Welcome to another episode of The Frames Per Second Podcast. 0:00:12.700 --> 0:00:13.480 I'm your host for the evening. 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:15.180 My name is Mike. Next to me, I have Spike. 0:00:15.580 --> 0:00:15.860 What up? 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:17.180 Across from Spike, I have Ken. 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:17.580 Hola. 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:19.079 And next to Ken, I have Rod. 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:19.660 Yo, what up, man? 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:21.300 And yeah, we are. 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:23.459 In spooky season. 0:00:25.100 --> 0:00:30.780 So we're going to be covering some horror, some horror movies, y'all. And, yeah, 0:00:30.820 --> 0:00:33.120 we did a little scan to see what movies were 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.240 coming up on anniversaries. And to me, this was a no-brainer. 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:41.120 I don't know about the crew yet, but since Mike 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:43.630 Flanagan is either doing it or he's already done it, 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:46.000 I need to look that up. But he's going to 0:00:46.020 --> 0:00:48.910 be doing Carrie. So we decided to do the 1976 0:00:48.909 --> 0:00:51.409 version starring Sissy Spacek. 0:00:51.510 --> 0:00:52.769 I think you already done it. The series is about 0:00:52.790 --> 0:00:53.100 to come out. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:55.080 Yeah. Okay, okay. That's what I was trying to figure 0:00:55.100 --> 0:00:56.740 out because I keep seeing reviews for it. I'm like, 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:58.580 how do y'all already have reviews? Did it come out yet? 0:00:58.940 --> 0:01:00.050 But I guess they got early. I think it's going 0:01:00.060 --> 0:01:01.610 to be on Peacock or something like that. I'm about 0:01:01.630 --> 0:01:03.010 to get Peacock just for that month then. 0:01:05.130 --> 0:01:05.510 All right. 0:01:05.670 --> 0:01:08.470 So we're talking about Carrie. This was by Brian DePalma, 0:01:08.950 --> 0:01:13.470 who's the same guy that did Body Double, Untouchables, Carlitos Way. 0:01:13.530 --> 0:01:18.930 He did Scarface. But yeah, so I'm going to go 0:01:18.950 --> 0:01:21.490 around the room. Let's give some quick thoughts. Let me 0:01:21.530 --> 0:01:23.500 know if this is your first time seeing it. and 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:25.670 what you thought. I will not start with Spike. I'm 0:01:25.690 --> 0:01:28.530 going to start with Rod. No, this is not my 0:01:28.550 --> 0:01:29.709 first time seeing it. 0:01:30.090 --> 0:01:33.270 For the longest, I would see it like in patches 0:01:33.630 --> 0:01:35.490 or whatever, just kind of like on TV or something, 0:01:35.510 --> 0:01:38.130 maybe like FX or I don't know, whatever channel would 0:01:38.150 --> 0:01:42.090 pop up on occasionally. But never like actually sat down 0:01:42.130 --> 0:01:44.050 and watched the whole movie. So I think this is 0:01:44.130 --> 0:01:45.940 actually the first time I sat down and watched the 0:01:45.950 --> 0:01:47.560 whole thing, to be quite honest. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.420 And yeah, I think it's done really well, actually. 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:51.160 Yeah. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.660 You know, obviously it has like some, you know, that 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:59.440 old 70s going into the 80s kind of tropes in 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:05.100 a sense. But I like that, those nostalgic tropes or whatever. So, no, 0:02:05.740 --> 0:02:08.960 I thought they did a really good job with filming. 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:12.400 And it was very intentional with all of that stuff, filming, lighting. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:18.180 And that was big for like a, you know, horror movie. 0:02:18.630 --> 0:02:21.710 Horror stories. So yeah, I thought, oh yeah, this is 0:02:21.750 --> 0:02:25.530 a good job. You're not alone, Rod. 0:02:25.810 --> 0:02:29.000 I found out for the first time that my wife 0:02:29.300 --> 0:02:30.720 had not sat and watched. 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:34.120 The whole movie. She's only seen certain scenes as well. 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:35.360 I'm like, what? 0:02:35.460 --> 0:02:36.440 How is that possible? 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:40.260 But apparently it is. But no, I've seen this movie 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:45.540 multiple times, bro. It's definitely a classic. I thought it 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.770 was dope that I did find out that This was 0:02:48.810 --> 0:02:52.609 his first movie adapted to the bit screen, Stephen King. 0:02:53.030 --> 0:02:54.690 He was 26 at the time. I was just looking 0:02:54.710 --> 0:02:58.050 some stuff up after. But, nah. Nah, yeah. I was 0:02:58.090 --> 0:03:00.090 watching the movie when I was a kid. So, it 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.880 was on HBO. I was watching Gary. Never seen it 0:03:03.900 --> 0:03:06.459 and never watched it again. Wait, say that again? 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:10.060 Never seen it and will never watch it again. There's 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:12.450 nothing that was good about it to me. 0:03:12.460 --> 0:03:13.220 Game like the White City? 0:03:13.419 --> 0:03:13.480 Oh! 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:15.540 You mean the dirty pillows? 0:03:15.620 --> 0:03:18.210 I didn't like none of it. I didn't like none 0:03:18.220 --> 0:03:22.130 of it. None of it. Really? None of it, no. 0:03:22.810 --> 0:03:25.790 That's what's scary. It wasn't even there. I just thought 0:03:25.830 --> 0:03:29.030 it was dumb. That is funny. I just didn't like it. 0:03:29.090 --> 0:03:30.250 It was just dumb. Golly. 0:03:32.669 --> 0:03:35.270 Well, I have seen this movie many times. I think 0:03:35.310 --> 0:03:39.050 it's great. I've seen all of the adaptations, and they're 0:03:39.070 --> 0:03:41.730 all pretty decent, but this is still the best one. 0:03:42.990 --> 0:03:46.510 The one they had with Zac, what's his name? Zac 0:03:46.610 --> 0:03:49.870 Efron was a little mid, but there was one that 0:03:49.910 --> 0:03:52.029 came out in 2003 that was pretty good. But this one, 0:03:52.750 --> 0:03:55.950 this is the classic with Sissy Spacek. I think this 0:03:55.990 --> 0:03:59.790 movie is great. It's definitely one of those horror movies 0:03:59.810 --> 0:04:01.440 that if you just kind of watch it, you're just like, okay, 0:04:01.460 --> 0:04:03.400 it's just a horror movie about a girl that starts 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.200 killing people. But there's a lot of subtext. There's a 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.280 lot of nuance to this movie. We won't get into 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.640 it all. because these guys don't want to talk about it, 0:04:10.650 --> 0:04:12.750 but we're going to go ahead and get started. We 0:04:12.790 --> 0:04:15.950 meet 16-year-old Carrie White, who, after losing a volleyball game 0:04:15.990 --> 0:04:19.770 for her team, realized that she has her first period 0:04:19.850 --> 0:04:22.919 in the shower, and she's not knowing what's happening to her, 0:04:22.940 --> 0:04:25.300 and she starts to panic. So, Spike, this didn't set 0:04:25.310 --> 0:04:26.820 the movie off right for you? No. 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.220 It didn't make no sense. I do not have my 0:04:29.300 --> 0:04:31.239 real blood. It didn't make any sense. 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:36.060 What do you mean it didn't make any sense? 0:04:36.140 --> 0:04:36.400 I can't. 0:04:39.020 --> 0:04:40.430 They in high school, how she not know what to 0:04:40.460 --> 0:04:41.710 do when she on her period? 0:04:41.730 --> 0:04:43.450 When she first gets her period. 0:04:43.510 --> 0:04:46.490 I don't know. Yeah, they told us that. 0:04:47.250 --> 0:04:50.830 Yeah, but she ain't had no conversations about it? 0:04:50.870 --> 0:04:50.990 No. 0:04:51.010 --> 0:04:52.049 This is a surprise? 0:04:52.070 --> 0:04:52.950 You met her mom. 0:04:53.350 --> 0:04:54.370 That's crazy. Yeah. 0:04:54.630 --> 0:04:56.450 She has no friends, and yeah, her mom is crazy. 0:04:58.070 --> 0:04:58.490 All right. 0:04:58.850 --> 0:05:00.969 Anybody else? Was this a good way to kick the 0:05:00.990 --> 0:05:01.430 movie off? 0:05:04.290 --> 0:05:07.430 I will say, when I was watching this, I was like, yo, 0:05:07.550 --> 0:05:09.610 Brian De Palma was on some shit. 0:05:10.029 --> 0:05:10.730 Like, what? 0:05:10.790 --> 0:05:12.470 Slow-mo titties. Man. 0:05:12.490 --> 0:05:14.130 For whatever reason. 0:05:14.270 --> 0:05:15.250 Yeah, I'm like, bro. 0:05:15.300 --> 0:05:17.680 I know it was the time. I know that's how 0:05:17.700 --> 0:05:20.160 they got down. And I'm like, okay, now I see 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.460 why I was watching this when I was young. It's like, 0:05:22.900 --> 0:05:25.700 you had me hooked from the, I mean, we're talking 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:27.880 about a young kid, bro. I was like, oh, yeah, 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.380 no wonder I was in front of the TV. But 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:33.830 I was like, yo, like, and today, Today, in the present, 0:05:34.050 --> 0:05:37.130 watching this, and the way he just walked through that 0:05:37.170 --> 0:05:39.630 whole thing, and the way she was taking the shower, 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:40.760 I was like, yo, this. 0:05:40.650 --> 0:05:45.940 Dude was wild. It's like, golly. Yeah, that was crazy. 0:05:46.020 --> 0:05:47.740 He made it seem super seductive. 0:05:47.820 --> 0:05:50.159 Bro. Yeah. 0:05:50.580 --> 0:05:52.520 The way she doing this, and then the shower, I 0:05:52.540 --> 0:05:54.800 was like, yo, this dude tripping, bro. 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:58.539 Oh, yeah, the flaccid shower thing, like sprinkling out water. 0:05:58.600 --> 0:05:59.960 Like, yeah. Oh, he didn't care. 0:06:00.470 --> 0:06:04.550 I didn't pick up no flaccid dick squirting shower water. 0:06:04.570 --> 0:06:05.630 The fucking shower heads. 0:06:05.890 --> 0:06:07.930 Like, they made that very apparent. 0:06:08.089 --> 0:06:10.510 She was just like. Yeah, it was. 0:06:10.570 --> 0:06:13.020 You didn't notice that? No, y'all motherfuckers just horny. 0:06:13.060 --> 0:06:16.320 No. Y'all motherfuckers just horny. 0:06:16.339 --> 0:06:19.060 That's what they did. That's absolutely what they did. 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.659 Imagine this. I'm surprised. Yeah, I'm surprised. 0:06:21.700 --> 0:06:23.860 I'm really surprised you didn't miss that. I pick it 0:06:23.900 --> 0:06:25.609 up on the other part that we'll get to, but 0:06:25.670 --> 0:06:26.580 I didn't pick it up in the shower. 0:06:26.610 --> 0:06:27.469 Nah, this over there. 0:06:27.510 --> 0:06:30.340 Yeah, it looked like a dick. Had a little, little, 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:31.480 little spout. I ain't never seen a dick that looked 0:06:31.500 --> 0:06:31.820 like that. 0:06:32.020 --> 0:06:33.480 That shower head. 0:06:33.620 --> 0:06:36.060 I'm done. Yeah, no, I just didn't think about it. 0:06:36.260 --> 0:06:38.619 That shower head definitely squirted all over him. 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:39.700 I'm going to be like, I'm done. 0:06:39.740 --> 0:06:43.440 Damn, that's it. Yeah, it was, yeah. Yeah. You could 0:06:43.460 --> 0:06:45.290 have had any other shower head. Man, bro. 0:06:45.330 --> 0:06:48.670 Any other shower head, but you picked that one. 0:06:48.730 --> 0:06:49.950 Ron DePalma was wild. 0:06:49.970 --> 0:06:51.790 So y'all not going to your homeboy's house taking a 0:06:51.810 --> 0:06:53.070 shower if his shower head looks like that? 0:06:54.070 --> 0:06:55.100 Why am I in the shower? 0:06:55.140 --> 0:07:01.300 First of all, you know, forget about the cake. 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.320 This is why I go for a long ride. Forget 0:07:04.339 --> 0:07:05.900 about the cake. Forget about the hugs. 0:07:06.060 --> 0:07:08.530 I'm not taking a shower in your shower, bro. 0:07:08.589 --> 0:07:13.050 Hey, never mind. All right. So after this happens, you know, 0:07:13.090 --> 0:07:14.810 Miss Collins has to step in and help her. She 0:07:14.850 --> 0:07:16.450 ends up slapping the shit out of her and kind 0:07:16.490 --> 0:07:17.910 of bringing her back to reality and all that. 0:07:18.710 --> 0:07:23.360 Mike, this damn teacher, bro. Bro, she was slapping everybody. 0:07:23.500 --> 0:07:25.840 All the kids, bro. I was like, damn, how they 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.380 get away with that in the 80s, bro? The fuck 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.500 was up with the 80s? Say something. 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:32.200 I dare you to tell somebody. 0:07:32.260 --> 0:07:34.620 I dare you to tell somebody. I'm going to fuck 0:07:34.660 --> 0:07:38.220 up your child's process. Slap him, too. 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:39.980 She smacked the whole class. 0:07:40.100 --> 0:07:41.180 Yeah, damn. 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:42.860 Oh, my God. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.570 But, yeah, they make it to where she can go home. 0:07:46.250 --> 0:07:48.450 Carrie can go home. We ain't got to talk about it, 0:07:48.450 --> 0:07:49.770 but I like the part where she made that little 0:07:49.790 --> 0:07:51.130 punk-ass boy fall off his bike. 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.180 Oh, man, yeah, that was funny. Oh, yeah. 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.540 What did y'all think of Carrie's mom? Because we see 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.680 she stopped by Sue Snell's house to talk to him 0:07:58.700 --> 0:08:02.580 about Jesus. So was there anything that you took from 0:08:02.620 --> 0:08:03.040 this scene? 0:08:05.100 --> 0:08:08.600 That her mom was a psychopath. Damn, that's a critical psychopath, huh? Yeah. 0:08:08.660 --> 0:08:11.020 He must be of the devil. No. 0:08:12.460 --> 0:08:14.540 Yeah, they do kind of set up her mom being crazy. 0:08:14.580 --> 0:08:20.460 Yeah, they set it up being crazy. Yeah, and, you know, yeah, yeah, no, 0:08:20.500 --> 0:08:20.950 we move on. 0:08:22.570 --> 0:08:24.390 All right, so once home, Carrie and her mother have 0:08:24.430 --> 0:08:27.850 a conversation about why her period happened. So do y'all 0:08:27.870 --> 0:08:28.410 remember this? 0:08:29.110 --> 0:08:33.770 This part? Did she say she committed sin? Yes. Yeah, 0:08:33.809 --> 0:08:35.200 so she had sex? 0:08:35.510 --> 0:08:38.319 She didn't say she had sex, but she said that 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:41.839 she definitely sinned. And that's why the period started. That's 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:43.620 the only reason the period started, because you sinned. 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.100 See, I thought she was talking about sex, because she 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.530 was like, I didn't have sex, mama. Right. Or something 0:08:49.550 --> 0:08:51.030 like that. Or something like that. 0:08:51.050 --> 0:08:54.070 She said something about... She's making her repeat these things. 0:08:54.110 --> 0:08:56.070 And one of them was about intercourse. Right. 0:08:56.090 --> 0:08:57.840 So that's why I assumed she thought she had. 0:08:57.860 --> 0:08:59.360 I'm like, well, she didn't have sex. Like, what are 0:08:59.380 --> 0:09:02.300 you doing? Go ahead and ask the question, Spike. Her 0:09:02.340 --> 0:09:03.220 mama has a period. 0:09:04.420 --> 0:09:05.080 But she sinned. 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:06.480 Remember? 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:07.250 We'll get to that at the end. 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:08.720 But she sinned. Okay. 0:09:08.740 --> 0:09:09.819 That's how Carrie's here. 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:11.410 Gotcha. Gotcha. 0:09:12.850 --> 0:09:15.729 In the next scene, we meet Tommy Ross, who y'all 0:09:15.770 --> 0:09:18.230 might remember him from Greatest American Hero, if you're our age. 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.020 He was also in the movie House. 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:21.760 Okay, I'm the only one. 0:09:21.780 --> 0:09:22.300 That's okay. 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:26.780 Yeah, I didn't watch House. I didn't know he was 0:09:26.820 --> 0:09:27.079 in House. 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.699 He's the main guy. No, no, no, not the doctor. 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:31.420 The old horror movie House. 0:09:32.110 --> 0:09:34.150 Oh, you're missing out. The movie's great. 0:09:35.450 --> 0:09:36.370 But yeah, so. 0:09:37.790 --> 0:09:40.770 Carrie describes his poem as beautiful in class. But we 0:09:40.830 --> 0:09:44.630 also see that Carrie's even bullied by her teachers. That's 0:09:44.710 --> 0:09:47.870 something to keep note of. But again. 0:09:48.510 --> 0:09:48.670 Ms. 0:09:48.710 --> 0:09:52.050 Collins keeps sticking up for her, and she punishes the 0:09:52.090 --> 0:09:54.309 girls who picked on her by threatening their prom tickets 0:09:54.350 --> 0:09:56.780 if they don't straighten up. Most of the girls follow 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.560 the orders, but one of her main bullies, Chris Hargensons, 0:10:00.059 --> 0:10:04.939 who y'all would know as Louis from RoboCop, she refuses 0:10:05.059 --> 0:10:06.840 and she gets banned from the prom. This is the 0:10:06.860 --> 0:10:09.100 part y'all already talked about where she started slapping him. 0:10:09.140 --> 0:10:10.990 That was his partner in RoboCop. 0:10:11.020 --> 0:10:11.770 Yeah. 0:10:11.830 --> 0:10:15.230 I had fun with it. Yeah, me either. Damn. This was. 0:10:17.220 --> 0:10:20.020 No, I'm sorry. This was almost 10 years prior to 0:10:20.059 --> 0:10:22.360 her being in RoboCop. So she had her titties out 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:23.059 and everything. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.220 It was, you know, yeah. 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:33.830 So was Miss... Okay, so Sue Snell and her boyfriend Tommy, 0:10:33.850 --> 0:10:36.089 they come up with this plan. It's mainly Sue's plan 0:10:36.510 --> 0:10:40.449 to get Tommy to take Carrie to the prom. Was 0:10:40.490 --> 0:10:43.069 Miss Collins right for questioning Sue and Tommy to make 0:10:43.090 --> 0:10:43.770 sure everything was on the. 0:10:43.770 --> 0:10:44.100 Up and up? 0:10:45.220 --> 0:10:49.840 Yes um because she is fully aware of how the 0:10:49.900 --> 0:10:55.900 whole school views carrie yes and they uh abuse her 0:10:56.000 --> 0:11:01.300 they mistreat her um even in the gym before she 0:11:01.420 --> 0:11:04.880 threatened them you know we saw their painting they're drawing 0:11:04.900 --> 0:11:07.179 stuff on the walls and stuff like that carries a 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:08.969 witch whatever they said i can't remember exactly what it 0:11:08.990 --> 0:11:12.780 was written on there but Yeah, so, nah, she was 0:11:12.820 --> 0:11:19.100 completely right to question their intent. And she was spot on, 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.850 you know, as well. So her instincts were good. 0:11:22.970 --> 0:11:23.870 How was she spot on? 0:11:24.429 --> 0:11:26.250 She didn't believe that they were pure. 0:11:26.510 --> 0:11:27.230 But they were pure. 0:11:29.070 --> 0:11:29.930 He didn't like her, though. 0:11:30.809 --> 0:11:33.010 But it wasn't like a setup. 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.959 It wasn't a malicious. Okay, I see what you're saying. 0:11:36.980 --> 0:11:41.350 It wasn't the sort of evil malicious part. Like they 0:11:41.390 --> 0:11:43.750 were trying to embarrass her and make fun of her. 0:11:44.030 --> 0:11:47.089 So they had pure intent, but it still was main fashion. Okay, 0:11:47.110 --> 0:11:48.809 I got it. 0:11:49.010 --> 0:11:50.070 They weren't trying to do anything bad. 0:11:50.090 --> 0:11:50.870 Yeah, I see what you're saying. 0:11:50.890 --> 0:11:52.910 Miss Collins thought they were trying to do something bad. 0:11:52.929 --> 0:11:55.010 You're right, you're right, you're right. I'm wrong, yeah. 0:11:55.790 --> 0:11:56.350 Anybody else? 0:11:57.850 --> 0:11:58.350 All right. 0:11:58.910 --> 0:12:02.190 So we also meet Chris's boyfriend, Billy Nolan, who every 0:12:02.210 --> 0:12:03.890 time I see this movie, I forget that John Travolta 0:12:03.929 --> 0:12:04.290 is in this movie. 0:12:04.309 --> 0:12:05.850 I was like, bro, what is John Travolta doing? 0:12:06.870 --> 0:12:07.790 I never knew that. 0:12:07.809 --> 0:12:09.830 And he still looked like he, The same age. Same 0:12:09.890 --> 0:12:12.570 fucking person. Bro, yeah. He never age. 0:12:13.130 --> 0:12:16.030 So did y'all take anything from this part? Other than one, 0:12:16.090 --> 0:12:19.620 Billy doesn't like being called a dumb shit. And two, 0:12:19.900 --> 0:12:24.160 Sue Snell is talented. Because she gave a blowjob and 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.240 was just having a full sentence at the same time. 0:12:26.260 --> 0:12:30.140 I ain't never had nothing like that. I ain't never 0:12:30.179 --> 0:12:31.660 had that. That was insane. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:32.500 She was like, Billy. 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:37.199 She was talking out of ear. Must have been. I 0:12:37.700 --> 0:12:41.920 ain't never heard no shit like that. She said, Billy. Ooh, Billy. 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:45.660 I'm like, how is she doing that? Trying to see 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:46.730 what that's about. 0:12:46.970 --> 0:12:48.610 You know what I'm saying? 0:12:48.670 --> 0:12:49.110 Nice. 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:51.319 Yeah, nah. 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.870 No, no one has anything from this part. You didn't 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.870 get anything weird from Billy? Yeah. The motherfucker was an adult? Yeah. 0:12:57.890 --> 0:12:59.729 He's a grown-ass man. He's a grown-ass man, and he's 0:12:59.750 --> 0:13:01.670 over here dating a fucking 16-year-old? 0:13:01.690 --> 0:13:04.969 Yeah. Well, I think they were, wasn't he supposed to 0:13:04.990 --> 0:13:06.630 be like a dropout, a high school dropout? 0:13:07.670 --> 0:13:09.180 I don't know if he graduated, but he definitely wasn't 0:13:09.220 --> 0:13:10.140 in high school anymore. 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:11.000 Okay. 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:12.880 And I thought, he seemed like he was old. 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:17.240 He did. He did. He definitely wasn't given 16 at all. 0:13:17.580 --> 0:13:19.620 Not at all. Okay, yeah, so, nah, but. 0:13:20.510 --> 0:13:22.189 Sign of the times to a certain degree. 0:13:22.870 --> 0:13:24.940 Yeah, because they did that kind of stranger things, I thought, 0:13:24.980 --> 0:13:27.679 a little bit. That boyfriend went to school with her. 0:13:28.620 --> 0:13:29.020 Never mind. 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:30.079 He just looks dumb old. 0:13:30.260 --> 0:13:35.730 But no, that was her, you know, manipulating him into 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.510 doing this thing that he didn't want to do after 0:13:37.530 --> 0:13:41.610 being smacked around, you know, which may have, you know, 0:13:41.690 --> 0:13:42.950 and him not liking that. 0:13:43.030 --> 0:13:47.210 He was definitely a very violent partner. You know, towards her. 0:13:47.220 --> 0:13:48.600 You must learn that from Miss Collins, too. 0:13:48.820 --> 0:13:49.520 I guess so. 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.230 Maybe that's why she didn't like it and stormed off. 0:13:53.290 --> 0:13:54.910 Like, I get enough of this with my boyfriend. 0:13:54.929 --> 0:13:55.370 Right, right. 0:13:55.390 --> 0:13:56.390 Now you, too? 0:13:56.429 --> 0:13:57.929 He's going to give me some dick afterwards. 0:13:57.970 --> 0:14:01.640 He's going to slap me in front of everybody. But, yeah. Yeah, but... 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.220 And she didn't even tell him what she wanted. She 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:05.480 was waiting until after the fact. 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.460 That's right. That's the best time to tell a motherfucker 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:08.040 to do some shit. 0:14:08.059 --> 0:14:09.880 Yeah, it was like. 0:14:09.900 --> 0:14:10.520 Women know that. 0:14:10.540 --> 0:14:11.559 You know? Mm-hmm. 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.140 So, yeah, so with a little pressure, Tommy convinces Carrie 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:16.710 to go to prom with him. 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:17.240 A little pressure. 0:14:17.780 --> 0:14:20.440 Well, he did, yeah, he was being a little forceful. 0:14:20.460 --> 0:14:21.240 Yeah. 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:26.850 But Carrie's mom forbids her to go. So, Rob, what 0:14:26.870 --> 0:14:28.410 did you think of what happens at the table when 0:14:28.430 --> 0:14:29.770 they're talking about the prom? 0:14:31.370 --> 0:14:33.030 Refresh my memory on that part. 0:14:33.330 --> 0:14:37.070 Mama threw a fucking cup of tea in her face 0:14:37.110 --> 0:14:38.580 while she's in the middle of a sentence. 0:14:39.380 --> 0:14:41.190 Oh, yeah. I just contributed to the mom. 0:14:41.290 --> 0:14:43.270 Any scene with her, man, I'm just like, she's just 0:14:43.310 --> 0:14:44.190 fucking crazy. 0:14:44.230 --> 0:14:49.510 I don't know if the mom had much depth like that. 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.500 I just looked at her as crazy. Anytime she was 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:56.780 on screen, I'm just like, yeah, that's about right. I'm 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:00.190 not surprised. If she could do anything at any given moment, 0:15:00.210 --> 0:15:01.510 it's just kind of how I view the mother. 0:15:01.550 --> 0:15:05.250 So, yeah, it just wasn't. really impactful. I just pretty 0:15:05.270 --> 0:15:06.590 much knew how the scene was going to go with 0:15:06.610 --> 0:15:09.229 her mom. Yeah, she was definitely a wild card. It 0:15:09.250 --> 0:15:13.410 was a little extra for me. Extra? Yeah, a little extra. 0:15:13.470 --> 0:15:14.870 I thought she was overly active. 0:15:15.930 --> 0:15:17.310 I don't, I guess it's part of the movement probably 0:15:17.330 --> 0:15:19.530 why I didn't like, she was just doing too much 0:15:19.570 --> 0:15:21.170 and I didn't have a lot of context for it 0:15:21.210 --> 0:15:22.450 other than the religious part. 0:15:22.550 --> 0:15:26.280 Yeah, because like, where is like, child protective services? Like, 0:15:26.340 --> 0:15:27.940 where is like, Someone has to call them. 0:15:28.300 --> 0:15:29.560 Huh? Someone has to call them. 0:15:29.820 --> 0:15:32.600 Yeah, I know, but it's like, no one realizes like, 0:15:33.090 --> 0:15:35.590 how she's been treated in this household with her mom. 0:15:35.750 --> 0:15:37.230 Like, no. Yeah. 0:15:37.810 --> 0:15:39.170 Cause Carrie's not talking to anybody. 0:15:39.630 --> 0:15:42.650 I feel you, but she's like kind of slow. Yeah. 0:15:43.380 --> 0:15:45.420 No i didn't. 0:15:45.100 --> 0:15:47.320 Get that she's slow i just got that she's awkward 0:15:47.340 --> 0:15:47.900 because she. 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:49.800 Doesn't have any friends all right and she's okay all 0:15:49.830 --> 0:15:52.070 right today today we know today's times we. 0:15:52.010 --> 0:16:07.960 Know they have diagnosis They may not have said it 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:08.540 back then. 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:13.280 She don't know what a period is. She ain't saying 0:16:13.300 --> 0:16:15.230 nothing to nobody. 0:16:15.250 --> 0:16:17.470 I get beat at home. She's non-verbal. 0:16:17.630 --> 0:16:21.230 I've never got that. 0:16:21.290 --> 0:16:25.030 Something's wrong with her. I've never got that. There's a 0:16:25.050 --> 0:16:28.150 word for this. It's called mental abuse. 0:16:28.170 --> 0:16:37.870 Yeah, that's all I thought. Abuse. being picked on by her. 0:16:37.370 --> 0:16:41.890 Classmate you know the teacher don't even know her name 0:16:41.930 --> 0:16:46.910 kept calling her Cassie even after correction the teacher was 0:16:46.950 --> 0:16:49.190 making fun of her in the room and then she 0:16:49.230 --> 0:16:51.989 goes home and then you got this little punk ass 0:16:52.030 --> 0:16:55.240 kid who's doing some shit like you're too fucking young 0:16:55.250 --> 0:16:56.150 to be making fun. 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.140 Of me creepy Gary creepy Gary. 0:16:58.060 --> 0:16:59.680 Get the fuck out of here I'm gonna make you 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.320 fall and then you go home And then you got 0:17:03.340 --> 0:17:05.610 to deal with the mom. So you don't have any 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.230 sort of support or relief. The mom is the one 0:17:09.369 --> 0:17:11.210 thing that's supposed to protect you. 0:17:11.630 --> 0:17:11.870 Right. 0:17:11.950 --> 0:17:16.350 So she's catching it everywhere. And then you're at home 0:17:16.390 --> 0:17:18.490 trying to, and your mom don't believe. 0:17:18.230 --> 0:17:21.210 This thing is sincere and genuine. She was right. Their 0:17:21.250 --> 0:17:22.010 intent was pure. 0:17:22.490 --> 0:17:26.219 But, you know, she was right to suspect that they 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.080 were up to something because nobody's ever did anything. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:29.440 Good for Carrie. 0:17:29.700 --> 0:17:29.880 Right. 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.080 Like her own mom locks her in a closet. And 0:17:32.100 --> 0:17:34.639 then you see when we talked about the closet, is 0:17:34.700 --> 0:17:35.879 this part of the same with the closet? 0:17:36.220 --> 0:17:37.359 Yeah. Okay, yeah. 0:17:37.380 --> 0:17:38.850 Well, the closet part was earlier, but you can go 0:17:38.869 --> 0:17:39.120 ahead and. 0:17:39.070 --> 0:17:39.369 Talk about it. 0:17:39.369 --> 0:17:39.590 Okay, yeah. 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.470 So you see in the closet, she got pictures of 0:17:41.630 --> 0:17:44.369 Jesus and pins in it. So, yeah, Carrie. It was 0:17:44.390 --> 0:17:48.330 a doll. It was like a Jesus figurine or something. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, 0:17:48.430 --> 0:17:49.730 it's a lot of like. 0:17:49.850 --> 0:17:54.389 A Jesus G.I. Joe. It was. I'm just saying it 0:17:54.430 --> 0:17:57.020 was a Jesus figurine. Like, I ain't never seen that 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:58.580 like that. We'll get to that part. 0:17:58.710 --> 0:18:01.139 But, yeah, so anyway, so there's a lot being thrown 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:05.180 at her. And she just discovered she got powers. 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:06.760 She's got some issues, man. 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.760 Yeah. You can call it slow. Yeah. It's a lot 0:18:09.780 --> 0:18:13.260 happening to Carrie, bro. The mom is offering no comfort. 0:18:14.300 --> 0:18:17.980 I thought this scene was actually really good. I get 0:18:18.020 --> 0:18:20.810 you saying she's overacting, but I've seen Christians act like this. 0:18:23.270 --> 0:18:25.630 White Christians, 100%. 0:18:25.630 --> 0:18:26.390 Fucking weirdos. 0:18:27.050 --> 0:18:30.070 But the whole part about after the blood comes the boys. 0:18:30.460 --> 0:18:32.419 And they'll be sniffing around, trying to figure out where 0:18:32.460 --> 0:18:36.560 that scent comes from. Like, this is a fucked up scene. 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.700 But yeah, she's basically, she starts threatening Carrie that, you know, 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:42.660 if you go to this prom, we're going to move. 0:18:43.310 --> 0:18:44.570 You know, if you start hanging out with, not the 0:18:44.590 --> 0:18:46.990 prom yet. Well, yeah, it is the prom part. But yeah, 0:18:47.010 --> 0:18:48.290 if you go to this prom with this boy, we're 0:18:48.310 --> 0:18:50.850 going to move. So it's clear at this point, she 0:18:50.869 --> 0:18:52.490 just doesn't want her to have anything to do with boys. 0:18:54.109 --> 0:18:56.689 It's also in this part that Carrie reveals to her 0:18:56.790 --> 0:18:59.919 mom that she has powers. And her mom claims that 0:18:59.940 --> 0:19:04.220 she's possessed by a demon. So, yeah, we also find 0:19:04.340 --> 0:19:06.300 out what happened to Carrie's dad, which is that he 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:07.920 left with another woman. 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:08.590 Shocker. 0:19:08.900 --> 0:19:10.490 Yeah. 0:19:10.990 --> 0:19:11.190 Yeah. 0:19:11.410 --> 0:19:12.130 That was like, really? 0:19:12.150 --> 0:19:14.250 You kind of expected that. You know what I'm saying? 0:19:14.290 --> 0:19:17.010 You know. Fuck, ain't nobody staying there dealing with that. 0:19:17.830 --> 0:19:24.070 Your whole house is crazy. Oh, shit. I could deal 0:19:24.090 --> 0:19:24.540 with one of you. 0:19:24.630 --> 0:19:24.870 Right. 0:19:24.930 --> 0:19:27.670 But my wife and my daughter is crazy. I'm like, 0:19:27.770 --> 0:19:31.260 fuck this. But yeah, we also discover that Chris and 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.520 her boyfriend Billy are planning to do something terrible to 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.760 Carrie at the prom. But as Carrie's getting dressed for prom, 0:19:36.780 --> 0:19:39.560 her mom is still trying to convince her not to go. 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.369 So did y'all notice anything interesting with this scene? And 0:19:43.450 --> 0:19:46.070 was she right to be concerned about Carrie's dirty pillows 0:19:46.650 --> 0:19:47.470 kind of hanging out there? 0:19:49.070 --> 0:19:51.900 Dirty pillows. Oh, their breasts? 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.960 I have never, I mean, well, prior to this movie, 0:19:54.980 --> 0:19:57.420 of course, I had never heard the term dirty pillows. 0:19:57.460 --> 0:19:58.830 Me either. Yeah. 0:19:59.460 --> 0:20:02.310 I hadn't heard it until you said it. 0:20:02.390 --> 0:20:05.710 I'm trying to think. Outside of her just showing them off. 0:20:06.550 --> 0:20:07.910 She wasn't really showing them off. 0:20:08.070 --> 0:20:09.570 Well, they kind of was prominent. 0:20:10.410 --> 0:20:12.010 Well, the camera was showing him off. I don't think 0:20:12.050 --> 0:20:13.230 Kerry was trying to show everybody. 0:20:13.250 --> 0:20:14.210 No, it was the Palmer. 0:20:14.250 --> 0:20:16.090 It was the Palmer's perverted ass. 0:20:16.130 --> 0:20:18.169 Yeah, something up with him. 0:20:18.930 --> 0:20:21.570 Something up with him, man. Because the Scarface shit, too, 0:20:21.590 --> 0:20:24.649 with his sister. With the sister. Yeah, something up with him. Yeah, 0:20:24.670 --> 0:20:27.110 I need to go re-watch Carlitos Way. I bet something 0:20:27.170 --> 0:20:31.310 is up, too. I bet it is. Fucking weirdo. Yeah, 0:20:31.510 --> 0:20:34.490 I can't think of anything. I remember her calling him 0:20:34.510 --> 0:20:36.190 Dirty Pillows, but I don't. 0:20:37.170 --> 0:20:38.950 I don't think I had a takeaway as it relates 0:20:38.990 --> 0:20:41.150 to the film at large from this. 0:20:42.380 --> 0:20:44.040 Anyone else notice anything interesting from the scene? 0:20:44.300 --> 0:20:44.620 I didn't. 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:48.120 There's a couple, there's a couple of interesting things. So one, 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.080 Carrie's dress, which is more of a pink, but her 0:20:51.140 --> 0:20:53.619 mom says like, you're wearing red. So of course you're 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:57.639 wearing red because red is typically the sign of evil. Um, 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.140 and she warns her in that moment. She's like, they're 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.109 all going to laugh at you. You want to go 0:21:03.130 --> 0:21:06.100 to this prom, but they're all going to laugh at you. But, um, 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:10.200 One interesting part is, do you remember the cars honking outside? 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:12.700 And when she looks outside, did you notice what's on 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:16.320 the ground? There was an, there was an inverted cross 0:21:16.540 --> 0:21:20.090 on the ground outside of the house. So this all 0:21:20.140 --> 0:21:24.290 plays into, is this paranoia or is this stuff like, 0:21:24.369 --> 0:21:27.649 is Carrie really possessed by a demon? So that's what 0:21:27.670 --> 0:21:28.090 they're kind of. 0:21:28.090 --> 0:21:30.910 And her mom thinks so. Say again. Her mom thinks 0:21:30.930 --> 0:21:31.310 she's possessed. 0:21:31.369 --> 0:21:33.830 Her mom thinks she's possessed by a demon because she 0:21:33.890 --> 0:21:39.220 has these powers. Um, Because at the end of that conversation, 0:21:39.500 --> 0:21:41.740 Carrie's using her powers to make her stay. 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:43.540 On the bed. Oh, yeah. That shit was dope. 0:21:43.740 --> 0:21:47.159 And then her mom says, thou shalt not suffer a 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.530 witch to live. And then it cuts to the next 0:21:49.570 --> 0:21:50.210 part really quick. 0:21:50.230 --> 0:21:52.110 Shit, I've never seen that fucking cross. 0:21:52.590 --> 0:21:55.610 If you blink, you will absolutely miss it. I only 0:21:55.650 --> 0:21:57.370 noticed it because I've watched this movie so many times. 0:21:57.710 --> 0:21:59.449 I've watched it a lot, too, but I've never seen 0:21:59.470 --> 0:21:59.649 the cross. 0:21:59.670 --> 0:22:01.990 It's on the ground, and the two cars are going 0:22:02.030 --> 0:22:06.680 like this. It looks like a parking lot separator. but 0:22:06.859 --> 0:22:08.780 it's in the shape of an upside-down cross, if you 0:22:08.820 --> 0:22:12.870 look at it. It's really interesting. At prom, we see 0:22:12.900 --> 0:22:15.250 Billie might actually be falling for Carrie, so that's where 0:22:15.270 --> 0:22:17.550 I kind of disagreed with you earlier. I think Billie 0:22:17.590 --> 0:22:19.109 was actually kind of getting into her a little bit. 0:22:19.130 --> 0:22:22.050 Them dirty pillows were speaking to them. But her bullies 0:22:22.070 --> 0:22:24.370 have hatched a plan to switch out all the ballots 0:22:24.869 --> 0:22:27.270 so that Carrie wins prom queen, but then she and 0:22:27.350 --> 0:22:30.690 Chris go up on stage to accept... I mean, sorry, 0:22:30.710 --> 0:22:33.180 not she and Chris. She and Billie go on stage 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:37.159 to accept the award... Chris dumps a bucket of pig's 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:40.959 blood on her head. So just this particular scene, what 0:22:40.980 --> 0:22:42.040 did you think of this? 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:45.040 I had seen this before. This is the iconic scene 0:22:45.060 --> 0:22:46.740 in the movie. So yeah, I had seen this before. 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.379 There was nothing fine. 0:22:51.580 --> 0:22:54.400 I mean, I mean. All right, man. 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:59.030 Every time I watch this movie, every single time, I'm like, 0:23:00.270 --> 0:23:02.050 just run on stage and just get out of the way. 0:23:03.180 --> 0:23:06.280 I hate this part. It's so sad. I'm like, it's 0:23:06.540 --> 0:23:09.139 right there. The way she pulls on the rope and 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:12.760 see the rope and look, and then just slowly walking. 0:23:12.780 --> 0:23:14.900 So messed up. Oh my God. I'm like, and then 0:23:14.940 --> 0:23:16.290 the teacher stops her. 0:23:16.660 --> 0:23:17.010 Yeah. 0:23:17.150 --> 0:23:17.570 Oh my God. 0:23:17.670 --> 0:23:20.389 All this could have been avoided if she, oh, and 0:23:20.410 --> 0:23:21.490 then she looked under the stairs. 0:23:21.510 --> 0:23:23.190 I'm like, you don't have to look under the stairs. 0:23:24.050 --> 0:23:25.429 There's so many things played in my head. 0:23:25.510 --> 0:23:28.209 Every single time I watched this movie, I'm like, it 0:23:28.250 --> 0:23:29.470 just could have stopped her, man. 0:23:29.490 --> 0:23:33.840 Um, And, yeah, it's definitely iconic. 0:23:34.500 --> 0:23:38.960 It's probably one of the most tragic scenes in movie history, 0:23:39.619 --> 0:23:43.230 you know, for something to happen to her. But just 0:23:43.510 --> 0:23:45.510 speaking to this part, and then, you know, of course, 0:23:45.550 --> 0:23:47.130 when Billy get hit upside the head. 0:23:47.310 --> 0:23:50.109 Billy? Tommy. No, Tommy. Tommy, yeah. 0:23:50.190 --> 0:23:51.130 I might have said Billy earlier. 0:23:51.170 --> 0:23:52.010 No, you didn't. You didn't. 0:23:53.210 --> 0:23:56.270 No, you didn't. That was my mess up. Tommy getting 0:23:56.290 --> 0:23:59.940 hit upside the head, too. Yeah, all this was really, really, 0:23:59.980 --> 0:24:04.790 really tragic and could have been avoided. But every time 0:24:04.830 --> 0:24:06.590 I watch it, I do wonder if he was falling 0:24:06.609 --> 0:24:08.070 for her because he had a girl, didn't he? 0:24:08.930 --> 0:24:09.910 Sue was his girl, bro. 0:24:09.930 --> 0:24:10.890 Yeah, but he could have too. 0:24:11.510 --> 0:24:13.350 He probably could have, but yeah. 0:24:13.619 --> 0:24:17.260 I always wonder, was he really falling for her or 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:19.980 was he really, really just playing into it and just 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:21.300 trying to give her the time of her life? 0:24:22.180 --> 0:24:24.350 I don't know if he was definitely falling for her, 0:24:24.369 --> 0:24:27.530 but I think he was at least realizing like, oh, 0:24:27.570 --> 0:24:28.550 you're not that bad. 0:24:28.590 --> 0:24:30.130 You're actually pretty cool. You're all right. 0:24:30.190 --> 0:24:31.990 And you're pretty, you know. 0:24:33.170 --> 0:24:34.310 Why didn't she just use her powers? 0:24:35.109 --> 0:24:38.080 Why didn't she? Because she couldn't control him yet. She 0:24:38.100 --> 0:24:38.760 couldn't control him yet. 0:24:38.820 --> 0:24:39.240 She didn't. 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:42.760 We're seeing that she's only, huh? 0:24:42.820 --> 0:24:44.419 Stopped the bucket from far away. She didn't know the 0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:46.440 bucket was there. I thought you just said she was looking. 0:24:46.930 --> 0:24:51.330 The Sue. Sue was the one. Yeah, Sue was the 0:24:51.410 --> 0:24:53.490 one that got it. But the way they did it 0:24:53.550 --> 0:24:54.649 is so dope. 0:24:54.710 --> 0:24:57.070 It's so tense because you see the bucket just kind 0:24:57.109 --> 0:25:01.150 of doing that. And, you know, her smiling and her walking. Like, 0:25:01.380 --> 0:25:05.380 all of this was so well done. I agree. 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:10.420 I think this scene was done extremely well because they're 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:13.040 showing how the whole plan is getting hatched. 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Um, so Tommy is furious about this, but 0:26:18.150 --> 0:26:19.490 then he ends up getting bopped in the head with 0:26:19.530 --> 0:26:19.810 a bucket. 0:26:19.830 --> 0:26:20.550 So he passes out. 0:26:21.630 --> 0:26:23.730 Um, and as the kids start to laugh, Carrie hears 0:26:23.770 --> 0:26:25.970 her mom's warning of, they're all going. 0:26:25.869 --> 0:26:26.630 To laugh at you. 0:26:26.650 --> 0:26:28.550 They're all going to laugh at you. 0:26:29.410 --> 0:26:31.129 Over and over and over again. 0:26:31.670 --> 0:26:33.730 As well as the kids start chanting, plug it up, 0:26:33.850 --> 0:26:34.820 plug it up, plug it up. 0:26:35.550 --> 0:26:35.990 From earlier. 0:26:36.010 --> 0:26:38.630 This is from earlier when she was in the shower. Um, 0:26:38.890 --> 0:26:41.290 and the, the, this causes her to just start lashing 0:26:41.430 --> 0:26:43.470 out using her powers. So Rob, what'd you think of 0:26:43.590 --> 0:26:46.680 this as Carrie, wreaks havoc on these little punk-ass kids. 0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:49.140 Is that why they use the blood to circle back 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:51.440 to earlier on? Yes. That's why? 0:26:51.740 --> 0:26:55.399 Well, that's not why the... Well, yes. Yeah, that's why 0:26:55.500 --> 0:26:59.160 they use the pig's blood to dump on her head 0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:03.000 because they just want to fuck with her. And I 0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:07.300 think that Chris probably assumes she's afraid of blood. So 0:27:07.340 --> 0:27:09.320 maybe that's why she also did it. They never really 0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:10.379 got detailed into it. 0:27:10.380 --> 0:27:11.399 Gotcha, yeah. 0:27:11.790 --> 0:27:15.600 But it's all about, you know... Blood and coming of age, 0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:18.460 you know, puberty, all that stuff. 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:22.800 I guess, like, this part, like, I don't understand why 0:27:22.859 --> 0:27:27.470 she killed the coach. Because I feel like the coach 0:27:28.609 --> 0:27:29.890 was ultimately trying to help her. 0:27:31.070 --> 0:27:32.840 And who's the one girl that she didn't kill? 0:27:33.540 --> 0:27:35.330 Sue Gop. Sue got put out by Ms. 0:27:35.369 --> 0:27:35.790 Collins. 0:27:35.930 --> 0:27:37.410 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:27:37.430 --> 0:27:38.370 She killed everybody else. 0:27:38.570 --> 0:27:42.730 But she survived because she got put out. Yep. Oh, okay, okay, okay. 0:27:42.770 --> 0:27:43.750 Got you. 0:27:44.490 --> 0:27:46.470 But, yeah, the only thing about this is, like, yeah, 0:27:46.510 --> 0:27:51.420 I just didn't understand why she killed everyone. Like, yeah, yeah, 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:53.979 especially the coach. Because I feel like the coach had 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:55.040 her back for the most part. 0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:57.380 The coach did, but she had a psychotic break. 0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:01.639 So her mom had planted in her head, they're all 0:28:01.660 --> 0:28:05.040 going to laugh at you, and you saw it. That's 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:08.710 what she was seeing. That's all she saw. So, yeah, 0:28:08.810 --> 0:28:13.170 it didn't matter. Everybody in that room can get it. 0:28:13.430 --> 0:28:16.889 And I don't know if she intentionally killed her. I 0:28:16.910 --> 0:28:19.810 don't know if she made that piece fall and hit her. 0:28:20.050 --> 0:28:23.680 I don't know if she just was an innocent bystander. 0:28:24.140 --> 0:28:25.869 There were a lot of innocent box centers in that 0:28:25.910 --> 0:28:28.129 room because they weren't laughing. It was only like one 0:28:28.210 --> 0:28:31.550 person laughing. Everybody else was just still kind of in 0:28:31.570 --> 0:28:32.129 shock and awe. 0:28:32.490 --> 0:28:32.790 Yeah. 0:28:33.109 --> 0:28:36.399 But when it cuts to her, she sees everybody laughing. 0:28:36.740 --> 0:28:38.000 Including the teacher. 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:38.860 Yeah, including the teacher. 0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:40.020 Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. 0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:43.200 So she thinks everybody in that room. 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:43.720 Set her up. Right. 0:28:44.550 --> 0:28:44.890 Mm-hmm. 0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:47.400 So that's why she killed the teacher. Gotcha. 0:28:47.740 --> 0:28:47.960 Okay. 0:28:48.020 --> 0:28:51.800 Because in her mind, she saw everybody. Yeah. 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:54.640 That's part of that whole phrase of she saw red. 0:28:54.660 --> 0:28:56.310 Because if you. 0:28:56.270 --> 0:28:58.450 Notice, right before she kills her, she looks up at 0:28:58.490 --> 0:29:02.490 the lights and she changes the lights strictly to red. 0:29:02.510 --> 0:29:05.270 Did you notice what other color was prominent throughout a 0:29:05.310 --> 0:29:07.410 lot of this? It was red and one other color. 0:29:09.060 --> 0:29:09.360 Blue. 0:29:10.460 --> 0:29:13.900 So Billy's... Not Billy. 0:29:13.940 --> 0:29:14.680 Goddamn. Tommy. 0:29:14.700 --> 0:29:14.920 Tommy. 0:29:15.290 --> 0:29:18.710 Tommy's tux is blue there's this whole idea of red 0:29:18.750 --> 0:29:22.620 versus blue anger versus good good and evil yeah so 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.020 did you like this scene spike yeah i liked it 0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:28.360 uh the payoff was fine as far as her killing 0:29:28.500 --> 0:29:31.160 everybody i had the same question that raw had of 0:29:31.260 --> 0:29:33.990 why she would kill the teacher but your explanation makes 0:29:34.010 --> 0:29:38.240 sense yeah she basically lost control but this is where 0:29:38.260 --> 0:29:40.780 I did see the other phallic symbols, which is funny 0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:42.770 why I didn't see it in the shower. Did y'all 0:29:42.790 --> 0:29:44.330 pick up on this other phallic symbol? 0:29:45.430 --> 0:29:48.250 Mm-mm. I'll just be looking for dicks. 0:29:51.390 --> 0:29:56.880 I keep running across the dicks and they're nutting dicks 0:29:56.900 --> 0:29:59.120 too spike is the water hose so the water hose 0:29:59.140 --> 0:30:02.120 was like a like the phallic yeah i realized oh 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:03.100 the water hose. 0:30:02.980 --> 0:30:05.360 Because she's squirting i'm surprised you picked up on the 0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:08.240 showerhead squirting all over her but then she's using this 0:30:08.460 --> 0:30:12.730 very phallic symbol to squirt all because like why why 0:30:12.750 --> 0:30:15.219 would you use a water hose It's a weapon. She 0:30:15.260 --> 0:30:17.940 could throw tables at motherfuckers, but instead she's like, I'm 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:19.740 going to squirt everybody with a water hose. She did 0:30:19.780 --> 0:30:24.350 because one girl was like... She killed her. She died 0:30:24.390 --> 0:30:26.610 from the dick. She fell on the table and died 0:30:27.330 --> 0:30:28.770 from getting squirted with a water hose. 0:30:29.670 --> 0:30:30.430 But yeah. 0:30:31.170 --> 0:30:32.790 But yeah, I always took it that Miss Collins was 0:30:32.830 --> 0:30:35.320 killed because she lost control. And that was kind of it. 0:30:36.540 --> 0:30:39.280 But the scene where the fire erupts behind her because 0:30:39.300 --> 0:30:42.800 they squirted the lights and then that fire, that scene 0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:45.410 is so... fucking dope. 0:30:45.490 --> 0:30:46.010 Yeah, it was. 0:30:46.050 --> 0:30:49.850 Still to this day, it is so dope of a scene. 0:30:50.890 --> 0:30:53.120 But yeah, I like this scene a lot. I thought 0:30:53.130 --> 0:30:55.900 it was dope. I mean, Carrie wasn't fucking around with 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:57.780 these hoes, man. She killed everybody. 0:30:57.820 --> 0:31:00.239 Yeah, man. I was like, man, Carrie was probably more 0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:02.120 powerful than Jean Grey. She might be. 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:03.760 She might be. 0:31:04.740 --> 0:31:06.680 But yeah, Miss Collins didn't need to get it like that. 0:31:06.700 --> 0:31:07.690 Yeah, she didn't. 0:31:08.050 --> 0:31:10.550 Because she even yelled Carrie's name before that thing came 0:31:10.570 --> 0:31:11.190 out and crushed her. 0:31:11.210 --> 0:31:12.250 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 0:31:12.510 --> 0:31:14.210 But she was going to kill everybody in that room. 0:31:15.090 --> 0:31:15.530 Everybody. 0:31:15.830 --> 0:31:17.410 So on her way home, Billy and Chris try to 0:31:17.450 --> 0:31:19.490 run Carrie over, but Carrie causes their car to flip 0:31:19.530 --> 0:31:22.430 and catch fire, killing them both. But the wild shit 0:31:22.470 --> 0:31:26.880 is when Carrie gets home. She bathes herself upstairs to 0:31:26.940 --> 0:31:29.360 remove the blood, and then she has a talk with 0:31:29.380 --> 0:31:32.180 her mother. So not getting to all of the scene, 0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:35.810 but what did y'all think specifically about what her mom 0:31:35.850 --> 0:31:38.850 reveals to her in this moment about her father and 0:31:38.890 --> 0:31:39.570 her conception? 0:31:39.610 --> 0:31:47.740 Do y'all remember? Yeah, her dad left. After she got pregnant? 0:31:47.940 --> 0:31:50.160 Well, before that, like how she got pregnant. 0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:54.850 No, I don't remember the full details of that. 0:31:55.050 --> 0:31:57.390 So this is why she thinks she's sinned. So she's 0:31:57.430 --> 0:32:02.110 talking to Carrie about her relationship with her father and 0:32:02.130 --> 0:32:04.489 is describing how they would lay in bed together all 0:32:04.510 --> 0:32:06.630 the time and nothing would happen. But there was one 0:32:06.670 --> 0:32:07.790 time he came home and. 0:32:07.770 --> 0:32:08.430 He was drunk. 0:32:09.530 --> 0:32:13.270 And she liked the smell of it. And she let 0:32:13.310 --> 0:32:16.790 him have sex with her. And that's when Carrie was conceived. 0:32:16.810 --> 0:32:20.110 So she saw this as her giving into temptation and sin. 0:32:20.130 --> 0:32:22.050 And Carrie is the sin. And she blamed herself for 0:32:22.150 --> 0:32:23.330 all of this stuff happening. 0:32:23.570 --> 0:32:26.750 And Carrie ends up being a punishment for that. Yes, 0:32:26.970 --> 0:32:28.440 for that. And then she. 0:32:28.340 --> 0:32:33.820 Ends up having these powers which may have, even that 0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:36.840 one incident, probably led her to spiraling into the state 0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:37.940 that she's currently in now. 0:32:38.050 --> 0:32:38.270 Yeah. 0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:41.440 A lot of, a lot of, like, again, not the, like, 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:45.530 normal Christians, but, like, the weirdo Christians, they all see this, like, 0:32:45.620 --> 0:32:50.270 whole possession idea as, like, a trial and tribulations thing. 0:32:51.410 --> 0:32:54.890 Especially Catholics. Like, they have this whole, like, I forget 0:32:54.910 --> 0:32:58.850 what it's called, but they're always, like, punishing themselves, and 0:32:58.870 --> 0:33:01.390 they have this thing of, like, I am a martyr, 0:33:01.870 --> 0:33:04.300 all this weird shit. So she might have had that 0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:05.440 in her head. 0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.290 The newest Sidious movie kind of does a thing about 0:33:09.410 --> 0:33:13.150 mother to daughter sort of relationship of legacy and her, 0:33:13.730 --> 0:33:17.620 you know, passing stuff on, you know, down. 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:19.680 I'm going to take your word for it because I'm 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:20.200 not going to watch it. 0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:22.040 Oh, no, it wasn't a good movie, but they played 0:33:22.100 --> 0:33:22.860 on the same thing. 0:33:22.900 --> 0:33:24.960 So when I was watching it, you know, I was just, 0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:28.420 I missed that part of the story, but I was 0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.200 looking for like that sort of same thing. 0:33:32.470 --> 0:33:35.130 Did y'all notice her, after she washes the blood off, 0:33:35.870 --> 0:33:39.350 did you notice the color of her bathrobe? blue it 0:33:39.390 --> 0:33:44.370 was blue her bathrobe was blue so in the next 0:33:44.430 --> 0:33:48.570 scene carrie uh her mom stabs her in the back 0:33:49.310 --> 0:33:51.590 causing carrie to fall down the stairs but carrie uses 0:33:51.650 --> 0:33:55.040 her powers to kill her mother uh spike what do 0:33:55.060 --> 0:33:56.040 you think of this part. 0:33:57.000 --> 0:33:59.460 Yeah i'm crazy like i said my mama was crazy 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:01.900 stabbing in the back and pushing her down it says 0:34:01.940 --> 0:34:03.540 i didn't see that coming i didn't think that her 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:05.040 mom would do that I didn't think she was that 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:05.420 fucking crazy. 0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.060 She warned you earlier. She said, thou shalt not suffer 0:34:08.100 --> 0:34:08.960 a witch to live. 0:34:09.260 --> 0:34:11.260 Yeah. So that was very surprising. 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.379 And when she walked in, all them candles and shit, 0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:16.600 I'm like, oh, this motherfucker is crazy, crazy. 0:34:16.620 --> 0:34:19.490 Yeah, mom was gone, bro. Because she already knew what 0:34:19.510 --> 0:34:21.680 was up once Carrie left the house to go on 0:34:21.700 --> 0:34:22.629 this thing. Yeah, no problem, son. 0:34:22.710 --> 0:34:24.850 Because she had been saying all the things that was 0:34:24.870 --> 0:34:26.770 going to happen. If you go, this is going to happen, 0:34:26.790 --> 0:34:28.850 et cetera. So once she left and went out there, 0:34:28.890 --> 0:34:30.650 she already knew her daughter was going to come back. 0:34:30.850 --> 0:34:31.049 Yes. 0:34:31.270 --> 0:34:34.450 Possessed or evil. And that's exactly what happened. even though 0:34:34.489 --> 0:34:36.739 it didn't go the way it does, the result, how 0:34:36.780 --> 0:34:38.859 we got there. It doesn't matter. The only thing that matters, 0:34:38.900 --> 0:34:41.360 she came back and she was crazy. And, uh, she 0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:42.980 probably don't even know what happened at the house. She 0:34:43.020 --> 0:34:45.360 just was like, you left, you went back, you sin. 0:34:45.380 --> 0:34:48.180 Now I got to kill you. And, uh, and yeah, 0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:51.410 when she reached around and stabbed, I was like, Oh shit. Well, 0:34:51.770 --> 0:34:53.029 and then it was funny. 0:34:53.050 --> 0:34:54.529 Cause when she fell down, it was not a lick 0:34:54.570 --> 0:34:56.790 of blood on her. And when she hit the ground, 0:34:56.810 --> 0:34:59.649 it was all, yeah. Not when she, not when she, not, no. 0:34:59.710 --> 0:35:00.890 When she hit the ground, yeah. 0:35:00.930 --> 0:35:02.070 No, there was blood on her back. 0:35:02.570 --> 0:35:03.790 I didn't see it. 0:35:03.810 --> 0:35:04.510 I was looking. 0:35:04.530 --> 0:35:05.250 I was like. 0:35:05.370 --> 0:35:06.430 There's blood on her back. 0:35:06.969 --> 0:35:08.190 Are you sure? Positive. 0:35:08.310 --> 0:35:11.910 There's not enough blood for a fucking backstab, but there's, 0:35:12.010 --> 0:35:13.110 you can see where she stabbed it. 0:35:13.210 --> 0:35:15.049 I thought it was pretty clean. And then when she 0:35:15.070 --> 0:35:18.570 hit the ground, they put the little, little blood there, but. Okay. 0:35:18.590 --> 0:35:19.569 I'll take your word for it. They put the blood 0:35:19.590 --> 0:35:22.590 on her face, but. Yeah, but. Nah, when she, yeah, 0:35:22.610 --> 0:35:26.299 when she killed the mom, which looked like the figure. Mm-hmm. 0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:29.469 Um. yeah she kind of just lashed out then too 0:35:30.170 --> 0:35:31.729 and then i was in and then of course felt 0:35:31.810 --> 0:35:33.730 regret but yeah. 0:35:34.550 --> 0:35:37.469 Did you get anything no that's that's all needs to 0:35:37.489 --> 0:35:39.850 be said about that what else needs to be. 0:35:39.810 --> 0:35:42.509 Said about that yes i i think that we could 0:35:42.570 --> 0:35:45.890 also discuss how she was basically crucified she. 0:35:45.890 --> 0:35:48.799 Talked about the actual the scene oh i thought y'all 0:35:48.820 --> 0:35:51.580 some i thought y'all still talking about uh carrie uh 0:35:51.820 --> 0:35:54.510 uh Her mother trying to kill her. 0:35:54.530 --> 0:35:56.170 Now you're talking about Carrie trying to kill her. You 0:35:56.190 --> 0:35:56.730 know what I'm saying? 0:35:56.890 --> 0:35:59.030 I'm talking about when Carrie kills her. Oh, I'm sorry. 0:35:59.050 --> 0:35:59.310 Yeah, yeah. 0:35:59.350 --> 0:36:01.489 I didn't realize y'all had moved on to Carrie killing 0:36:01.530 --> 0:36:05.550 her mom. But no, yeah, yeah. The whole crucifixion thing, yeah. Yeah. 0:36:05.660 --> 0:36:08.219 Mm-hmm. I thought the scene where she was coming down 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:10.520 the stairs and she did the sign of the cross 0:36:10.540 --> 0:36:11.660 with a knife was pretty fucking creepy. 0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:11.899 Yeah. 0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.620 And she looks definitely creepy. If you were dating some 0:36:14.660 --> 0:36:17.219 girl and her mama came after you like that, you done, huh? Yes. 0:36:18.590 --> 0:36:20.130 I thought she acted her ass off in this scene. 0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:26.000 She plays a crazy ass white woman very well. But 0:36:26.060 --> 0:36:29.740 now let's talk about the prayer closet because we're approaching 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:32.400 the end. Carrie takes the mom's dead body into the 0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:35.360 prayer closet where they both die as the house collapses. 0:36:37.660 --> 0:36:40.620 I did not know this until very recently because I 0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:42.739 always watched this movie and was just like, oh, that's 0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:47.870 a good movie. Never really thought about why they zoomed 0:36:48.050 --> 0:36:49.410 in on the Jesus statue. 0:36:49.430 --> 0:36:50.149 Okay. 0:36:50.670 --> 0:36:53.960 Until this past time, I was like, wait, why are 0:36:53.980 --> 0:36:56.580 they zooming in on the Jesus statue like this? And 0:36:56.680 --> 0:37:00.339 why does Jesus have arrows in him? Did not realize 0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:06.010 that's not Jesus. That's actually someone named Saint Sebastian. Saint 0:37:06.030 --> 0:37:07.490 Sebastian was a Christian martyr. 0:37:07.870 --> 0:37:08.190 Damn. 0:37:08.430 --> 0:37:13.350 Who, when there was the Christian persecution in 300 AD, 0:37:14.130 --> 0:37:16.870 he was tied to a tree and they shot him 0:37:16.890 --> 0:37:17.450 with arrows. 0:37:17.690 --> 0:37:18.390 Fake Jesus. 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:20.460 He's Jesus adjacent. 0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:20.919 Right. 0:37:23.140 --> 0:37:27.020 But here's the fucked up part. He didn't die from 0:37:27.180 --> 0:37:30.969 those arrows. He was healed after that. But then he 0:37:31.030 --> 0:37:33.270 took his ass back to where they had tried to 0:37:33.290 --> 0:37:34.969 kill him before and tried to tell him that they 0:37:35.010 --> 0:37:37.090 made a mistake and they bludgeoned him to death. 0:37:37.270 --> 0:37:37.610 Damn. 0:37:38.410 --> 0:37:45.410 Here's what's interesting. The mom dies with all those knives 0:37:45.700 --> 0:37:50.779 stuck in her. So that's very similar to To St. Sebastian. 0:37:51.420 --> 0:37:55.080 Do y'all remember how Carrie died? I always thought this 0:37:55.100 --> 0:37:58.580 was a weird way to kill Carrie off until this time. 0:37:58.620 --> 0:38:00.739 Her dying in the closet? Yes. Burning up? 0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.020 She didn't burn up. 0:38:03.140 --> 0:38:04.899 Buried? Nope. 0:38:05.460 --> 0:38:07.540 A piece of the house falls and pops her in 0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:12.859 the head and she dies. Which is similar to what? 0:38:12.900 --> 0:38:14.240 Getting bludgeoned to death. 0:38:14.820 --> 0:38:14.900 Oh. 0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:18.880 I always thought that was so bizarre to kill her 0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:20.840 like that in the closet. Why y'all just drop a 0:38:20.940 --> 0:38:24.319 brick on her head and then she just die? And 0:38:24.340 --> 0:38:26.420 then it zooms in on that statue. 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:27.680 It shows the difference. 0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:31.489 So the whole idea of being tortured, being a martyr, 0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:35.950 dying for basically nothing. Because that's what her mom died for. 0:38:35.969 --> 0:38:37.070 Her mom died for nothing. 0:38:37.330 --> 0:38:39.469 How the fuck are we supposed to know that? We're 0:38:39.489 --> 0:38:41.290 not supposed to know that. We're just supposed to look 0:38:41.330 --> 0:38:41.760 into it. 0:38:42.130 --> 0:38:43.900 Yeah, if you like a movie, you look it up. 0:38:44.860 --> 0:38:46.980 I just never thought about, because I just thought she 0:38:47.020 --> 0:38:49.779 was crazy. I just thought she was crazy. She put 0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:53.280 arrows in Jesus. I never thought it might not be Jesus. 0:38:53.300 --> 0:38:54.920 That's super detailed. 0:38:55.100 --> 0:38:59.279 Because everybody would assume that's Jesus, but yeah, that's a 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:00.240 crazy detail. 0:39:00.860 --> 0:39:04.540 See, a lot of people, they look back at old 0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:07.930 horror movies from the 70s, 60s, 70s, and they're like, oh, 0:39:07.950 --> 0:39:12.070 they're just these stupid movies. There's nothing good. There's no nuance. 0:39:12.110 --> 0:39:16.050 There's no detail. There's no actual story. But they're wrong. 0:39:16.090 --> 0:39:18.480 A lot of these old movies, when you actually like 0:39:18.500 --> 0:39:20.520 them and you start thinking about who the director is, 0:39:21.580 --> 0:39:23.600 and especially when you relate the fact that it's fucking 0:39:23.620 --> 0:39:26.930 Stephen King, there's going to be something interesting there. You 0:39:26.950 --> 0:39:29.089 just have to figure it out. A lot of people 0:39:29.110 --> 0:39:30.700 just don't care to figure it out. because it's just 0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:33.540 crazy white girl starts killing people because you got blood 0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:33.970 dumped on her. 0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:36.480 And this is probably more Stephen King than Ron Paul. 0:39:36.500 --> 0:39:38.280 I was going to say, he probably explained it more 0:39:38.420 --> 0:39:42.839 in the book, too. Yeah, I never read the book. So, 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.500 were you taken by the way the movie ends here? 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:46.210 No, no. Alrighty, so. 0:39:48.510 --> 0:39:52.109 The movie basically ends with Sue. She goes to leave 0:39:52.150 --> 0:39:54.489 flowers on the spot where Carrie's house was and we 0:39:54.570 --> 0:39:58.719 see a for sale sign that's vandalized with Carrie White 0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:03.379 burns in hell. As Sue leaves the flowers, a hand 0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:05.700 comes up out of the ground and grabs her and 0:40:05.739 --> 0:40:07.700 she then wakes and we see that it's actually her 0:40:07.790 --> 0:40:10.130 mom waking Sue up from a nightmare. 0:40:11.450 --> 0:40:13.390 Did y'all, you're making faces. I'm sorry to you, Rod. 0:40:13.550 --> 0:40:14.870 What'd you think of the ending of this movie? 0:40:17.030 --> 0:40:20.810 I'm realizing that I didn't see that part of the movie. 0:40:20.850 --> 0:40:24.259 You sorry as hell, man. You turned it off. 0:40:24.780 --> 0:40:28.420 Once that house started burning raw, I was out of it. 0:40:28.739 --> 0:40:29.460 Oh, shit. 0:40:30.500 --> 0:40:32.080 Wow. Damn. 0:40:33.810 --> 0:40:35.410 Okay, cool. Ken. 0:40:35.700 --> 0:40:38.100 This part, yeah, I remember watching this as a kid. 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:40.020 This part scared me, bro. 0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:41.620 It still made me jump. 0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:42.120 Yeah, me too. 0:40:42.340 --> 0:40:45.940 I forget about it every time. See, I forgot too. No, 0:40:45.980 --> 0:40:49.120 we watched the part. Their hands jump out like that, bro. Yeah. 0:40:49.510 --> 0:40:49.950 Oh, my God. 0:40:50.050 --> 0:40:52.150 Dang. You didn't expect that shit? 0:40:52.870 --> 0:40:55.310 Yep. Who's hand was it? It was a dream. 0:40:55.330 --> 0:40:57.750 It was like a nightmare. It's supposed to be Carrie's 0:40:57.790 --> 0:40:58.890 hand coming out of the ground. 0:40:59.390 --> 0:40:59.810 Okay. 0:40:59.870 --> 0:41:02.150 But then it's really her mom shaking her, trying to 0:41:02.170 --> 0:41:03.219 wake her up. Yeah. 0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:07.029 Yeah. No, I did like this part. Because I'm like, oh, shit, 0:41:07.050 --> 0:41:08.330 Carrie alive. Uh-huh. 0:41:08.390 --> 0:41:11.230 Carrie back, y'all. You didn't care about this either? 0:41:11.370 --> 0:41:12.109 I did not at all. 0:41:12.290 --> 0:41:15.069 God damn, Spike. Did anybody notice the cars in the back? 0:41:15.110 --> 0:41:15.850 You hated the movie? 0:41:15.890 --> 0:41:16.410 Yeah, I hated it. 0:41:16.610 --> 0:41:17.660 Oh, you legit hated it. 0:41:17.660 --> 0:41:20.259 Legit was like, I was like, bro. I've been trying 0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:23.980 to be quiet. Like, I legit hated this movie. I 0:41:24.060 --> 0:41:28.000 hated this. Yo, this is a classic. I do not 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.900 know how. I have no idea how. this was a 0:41:30.940 --> 0:41:31.520 dream like. 0:41:31.420 --> 0:41:33.460 What is what is what happened this is a dream 0:41:33.500 --> 0:41:36.540 so the mom is on the phone and she's talking 0:41:36.620 --> 0:41:39.819 to someone and she's like yeah I didn't let Sue 0:41:39.860 --> 0:41:41.989 go to the funerals because she's young enough to where 0:41:42.010 --> 0:41:45.210 at some point she'll forget all the stuff that happened 0:41:45.730 --> 0:41:47.930 so we're just gonna you know kind of just move 0:41:48.010 --> 0:41:51.469 forward young enough I know that doesn't make any sense 0:41:51.489 --> 0:41:54.279 she's fucking 15 16 years old what are you talking 0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.840 about all of her friends died she's not gonna forget 0:41:57.900 --> 0:42:01.250 this you fucking weirdo but that's what she's saying so 0:42:01.270 --> 0:42:06.109 she's upstairs actually sleeping and then it transitions and you 0:42:06.230 --> 0:42:09.870 think it's actually another scene in real life when. 0:42:09.910 --> 0:42:13.160 It's not it's an image cut I don't know it's 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:15.980 called an image cut yeah I'll take your word for 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:19.120 it but did y'all notice the cars in the background 0:42:19.260 --> 0:42:23.920 there's two cars in the background which give which basically 0:42:23.940 --> 0:42:24.860 lets you know that this is a. 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:32.300 Dream because she wrecked yeah Well, the car that... Yes. Yes. 0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:33.840 There's two cars. 0:42:33.860 --> 0:42:34.800 They're both red. 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:39.520 And they're driving backwards. 0:42:39.540 --> 0:42:39.620 Hmm. 0:42:39.930 --> 0:42:40.339 So. 0:42:40.660 --> 0:42:43.250 I don't care. See, I wish I could go backwards 0:42:43.290 --> 0:42:44.729 and never watch this fucking movie. 0:42:44.790 --> 0:42:45.070 Right. 0:42:46.450 --> 0:42:48.390 I thought that was actually a really dope touch. It 0:42:48.489 --> 0:42:50.130 was very Nightmare on Elm Street to me. That's what 0:42:50.170 --> 0:42:50.850 I was just thinking. 0:42:50.890 --> 0:42:51.150 Yeah. 0:42:51.630 --> 0:42:51.830 But. 0:42:52.270 --> 0:42:55.410 But yeah, I mean, that's kind of it for the movie. 0:42:55.430 --> 0:42:58.469 So what are they saying with the ending? That this 0:42:58.510 --> 0:43:00.930 is trauma. That she's going to remember this. This is 0:43:01.030 --> 0:43:03.030 not something that she's just going to fucking forget. 0:43:03.650 --> 0:43:04.760 This is trauma. 0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:08.299 This girl is fucked for life. And the sad thing 0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:11.380 is she was trying to be a good person. She 0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:15.360 really was trying to help Carrie. But I think overall 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:19.460 the movie is really just about religious extremism and how 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:24.299 it's used to weaponized to oppress women. That's what this 0:43:24.340 --> 0:43:27.920 whole movie is about. Because even if you look at Sue, 0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:31.839 Sue was a good person. She was trying to help. 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:37.250 But she could have just been Carrie's friend. But instead, 0:43:37.810 --> 0:43:41.569 everything is filtered through this eye and this lens of 0:43:41.830 --> 0:43:44.430 men make things better. So I'm going to tell my 0:43:44.570 --> 0:43:48.370 man to take you to this prom because No one 0:43:48.410 --> 0:43:51.089 even asked Carrie what she wanted. There was no consent 0:43:51.650 --> 0:43:57.910 ever really until Tommy pressured her into going. But it's 0:43:57.969 --> 0:44:03.690 kind of like if you look at like especially like 0:44:03.750 --> 0:44:05.630 white liberals, they don't really talk to black people about 0:44:05.650 --> 0:44:06.149 what we want. 0:44:06.210 --> 0:44:08.370 They just go and they just– They know what's best 0:44:08.410 --> 0:44:08.650 for us. 0:44:08.650 --> 0:44:11.750 They know what's best for us. And this whole movie 0:44:11.910 --> 0:44:15.339 is basically everybody is doing that to Carrie. No one 0:44:15.489 --> 0:44:18.350 really sat down to analyze and figure out what Carrie 0:44:18.410 --> 0:44:20.850 wanted except for Miss Collins, and her ass died. 0:44:20.930 --> 0:44:21.850 You know why? 0:44:22.570 --> 0:44:22.810 Huh? 0:44:22.870 --> 0:44:25.989 You know why? No, I don't. Why? 0:44:26.010 --> 0:44:27.850 Because she kind of slayed. They knew. 0:44:28.750 --> 0:44:29.270 They knew. 0:44:29.390 --> 0:44:30.510 She's not wrong. 0:44:30.570 --> 0:44:32.090 Trust her to make no decisions? 0:44:32.130 --> 0:44:34.009 We got to do this for you. She's not wrong. 0:44:34.030 --> 0:44:36.690 Everybody in the movie knew. Jesus Christ, man. 0:44:37.830 --> 0:44:38.450 I hate you. 0:44:41.110 --> 0:44:44.750 Anyway, yeah, that's really it. I do think it's really 0:44:44.790 --> 0:44:46.770 cool that they threw this whole red thing in there 0:44:46.810 --> 0:44:49.750 because I didn't mention earlier that the kids that were 0:44:49.790 --> 0:44:53.030 sabotaging her with the ballots, all of them had something 0:44:53.090 --> 0:44:55.290 red on. They had like a red hat or like 0:44:55.310 --> 0:45:00.370 a red pin or whatever. They all had something red. Yeah, man. 0:45:00.410 --> 0:45:04.629 This movie is actually pretty detailed. Yeah, yeah. If you 0:45:04.690 --> 0:45:06.549 actually like it. If you don't like it, you don't 0:45:06.590 --> 0:45:07.200 care about this guy. 0:45:07.230 --> 0:45:10.219 She wasn't that damn slow, Spike. She knew Tommy was 0:45:10.300 --> 0:45:12.140 on some bullshit. That's why she was like, nah. 0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:15.080 You know, there'd be certain areas. 0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:19.000 You know, they got... I'm done. I fucking hate Spike. 0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:23.270 Send all the hate mail to Spike's ass. I am 0:45:23.330 --> 0:45:23.720 Spike Lee. 0:45:23.770 --> 0:45:24.469 I am Spike Lee. 0:45:24.590 --> 0:45:28.150 Jesus Christ, man. Well, let us know what y'all thought 0:45:28.370 --> 0:45:31.610 of this film. And if you feel like it, drop 0:45:31.660 --> 0:45:34.520 some comments, maybe on Reddit, and let us know what 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:37.580 classic horror films you want us to cover for the 0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:39.680 month of October. What other movies do you want to 0:45:39.739 --> 0:45:45.360 torture Spike with? And yeah, anybody got any final thoughts 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:48.830 on this since y'all really had, except for Ken, y'all 0:45:48.850 --> 0:45:51.030 didn't really have any starting or middle thoughts? 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:55.860 I told you my thoughts. All right. 0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:56.900 Still silent. 0:45:57.020 --> 0:45:57.410 Cool. 0:45:57.719 --> 0:45:58.210 All righty. 0:45:59.030 --> 0:46:02.669 We will be back next week with something different. But yeah, 0:46:02.730 --> 0:46:05.700 we'll see y'all next time. We're out. Peace.