1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Indy. A Capital Chronicle has this article about a bunch 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: of library people who are whining about how they're going 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: to make do with the quote unquote cuts that are 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: coming from this new property tax bill. So let's just 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: do a brief reset for everybody on sort of how 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: we got here and what's going on. New people coming 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: in all the time, all right, So from basically twenty 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: twenty till present day, we have seen an explosion in 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: revenue going to local governments by local governments. For most 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: people with their property taxes, it makes up the following 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: things your school, your city or town, your township, the county, 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: the public library, and if you have a fire territory. 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,639 Speaker 1: Those are the six things when you pay property taxes. 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: Now many cities like the fire department is part of 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: the city tax, but some have fire churches. So the 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: five or six things you're gonna pay for. And from 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty through present day you've seen an explosion of 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: revenue to each of these government entities because they all 19 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: get a little portion of this pie. Because of the 20 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: assessment disaster, in which because the government shut down, society 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: then printed a bunch of money. People said, I've got 22 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: to have somewhere for this money to go. And it's 23 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: so cheap that I'll just put it into housing, which 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: skyrocketed the price of houses here in central Indiana. And 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: because taxation is done off of assessment, well, all the 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: government entities got all this extra money, and instead of 27 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: doing the right thing, or the decent thing of saying, hey, 28 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: you know what, we ought to anticipate this not lasting forever, 29 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: why don't we take a few of these shekels and 30 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: put it in a bank account somewhere and hope for 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: our citizens. This is the thing that makes me the 32 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: most angry. The government roots against the people. The government, 33 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: the all these local government entities root for you to 34 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: get screwed. They root for as much of your money 35 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: to be taken from you as humanly possible. Because if 36 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: they had any decency about themselves whatsoever, they would have said, hey, 37 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: we really hope this gets corrected pretty quick, because people 38 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: seeing their property taxes triple, that's just not right. That 39 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: would be the decent thing to do if any of 40 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: these people had an ounce an ounce of caring about 41 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: you whatsoever, and they would say, you know, we really 42 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: ought to put this money away. We got to store it. 43 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: I mean, heaven forbid, you actually lower your tax trick 44 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: to offset some of these increases. But let's keep all 45 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: of this and then hope something good happens. Like you know, 46 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 1: people get a property tax cut, No, they spent it. 47 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: It became their new baseline of spending. Was all this 48 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: new money that flooded in. There was no inticipation, whether 49 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: it's the schools or these towns or whatever, of Hey, 50 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: this gravy train may not ask forever. And now they're 51 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: crying rivers over here. The libraries, which, by the way, 52 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: I think you could make a case in the modern era, 53 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: the best thing the public library does, with everything being online, 54 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: is provide internet access to low income people. It probably 55 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: would have been cheaper just to flood these people with 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: internet access. They continue to fund the public library system, 57 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: but that being what it is now, even the library, 58 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: because they can't manage their money properly, they're crying about 59 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 1: you getting some money back. 60 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: Well, we heard it time and time again during their 61 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: property tax fight, was that if the government's not growing, 62 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: it's dying. 63 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have become a slow We talk about this 64 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: on Friday, right, you are but a slave to the 65 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: government and these local governments only see you as some 66 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: worker bee that pays money to them. That's all you are. 67 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: They don't appreciate you, they don't care about you. They 68 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: just see you as someone who your job is to 69 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: shut up and pay more money. The library casey. 70 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: Yes, we are. 71 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: We gonna run out of books. 72 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: The Johnson County Public Library Director Lisa Lindner. She hosted 73 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: two public meetings and they were called Funding in the 74 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: Future of JCPL, and she was walking people through the 75 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: library discussing how it was funded and how SEA one 76 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: was going to affect the future. She said, with the 77 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: passage of SEA one, which was the property tax bill, 78 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: they're going to have to begin petitioning our county council 79 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: for lit funds in twenty twenty seven. 80 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: So here's why the library's got in trouble. I'm seeing 81 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: it happen. I don't know if they're in trouble, but 82 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: I've seen this happen in my own town again. So 83 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: much money flooded in. We got to do something with it. 84 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: They've done these massive expansion projects. There's a nation yeah, 85 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: your library. And by the way, it ain't just like, hey, 86 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: let's create a way to put one hundred more books 87 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: on the shelf. They're doing massive infrastructure expansions in these 88 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: public libraries, which again, sorry, dying industry. Most people are 89 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: getting stuff at home on the internet. And if you 90 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: were in a library, that's no I have a I 91 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: still have a library card. Okay. So I'm not trying 92 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: to indict the people that work there or say you're 93 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: awful people, but that's a dying industry. And what we do, 94 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: because it's government that never has to be accountable anything, well, 95 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: just pump a bunch of money into it because it 96 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: flowed in because of the assessment stuff. So now they're 97 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: gonna cry to you and go, oh, we must get 98 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: more revenue. Unlike every other business in this world, who 99 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: if there's less revenue coming in, they got to figure 100 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: out how to make it work. They got to figure 101 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: out how to reinvent the wheel. They got to figure 102 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: out how to have a new business model. Like I 103 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: went for I took the tyrant to the baby playground 104 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: this weekend and I'm like, I'm looking at did you 105 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: know we have two football fields in Brownsburg? 106 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: Now? 107 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that and and two like legitimate astro turf bleachers. 108 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: You can go conduct any sort of event you want to. 109 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: And then I'm looking at they've like draped the bleachers 110 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: with this giant Brownsburg Bulldogs tarp type thing, and it's bleach. 111 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: It's not like you can see in like you'd see through. 112 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: It is like somebody would stand at the fence and 113 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: try to see through these bleachers to watch the game. 114 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: There's no purposes. And then it just looks cool because 115 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: we made it look more like a college football stadium. 116 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: We made it. They did these massive renovations to the 117 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: press box again, and yet I watched these meetings where 118 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: the Brownsburg school system is crying rivers over the fact 119 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: that Senate Bill one might take some money from them, 120 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: and you know what they're gonna do. And they're the 121 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: good guys in the equation right now, because at least 122 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: they're not referendum people. This is where we're at. This 123 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: is how bad it's gotten, Casey, that the good people 124 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: they're still screwing you. But you're like, well it could 125 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: be worse. We could be our neighbors to get say 126 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: where they're talking about, well, we'll just get around this 127 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: by raising our tax right, they already know they're gonna 128 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: get around it. But this will never stop because the 129 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: governor's a coward. He wouldn't stand up to the General Assembly. 130 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: The General Assembly writes laws that nobody can understand, and 131 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: by the way, they do the bare minimum. They do 132 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: the bare minimum because they're actually more afraid of the 133 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: schools and the libraries than they are you. But think 134 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: about the The library's mad you're getting three hundred dollars back. 135 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: This article is talking about the public library. People are mad. 136 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: Sure your property taxes have tripled, which means conceivably, if 137 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: your property taxes have tripled, they've gotten triple the revenue 138 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: from you. They weren't mad about that. They didn't care 139 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: about that. They don't care about you being able to 140 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: pay your bills or stay in your home. They're mad 141 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: you're getting three hundred bucks back, and they're basically trying 142 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: to make you think they're going to shut the door. 143 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: So this is just an example. But the Johnson County 144 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: Library gets forty percent of its operating budget from LIT money, 145 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: and the director there said by twenty twenty eight, many 146 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: of the library districts could see devastating outcomes if LIT 147 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: funding is not approved. So give us more money. Two 148 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: questions for you, though, one did we ever hear if 149 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: the governor and the Lieutenant governor said yes that they 150 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: would go canvas houses for that avon referendum. 151 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: Okay, so first of all, I just want to clear 152 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: when you're saying lit that's local income tax, yes, which 153 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: under Senate Bill one, sure you're getting that little property 154 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: tax cut, which will go away in about four years 155 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: because property taxes will keep going up so it'll be offset. 156 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: But now the local governments can raise your income tax. 157 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: And you're already hearing the sweet sorrows of the library 158 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: people practically begging now there to be income tax increases 159 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: to offset your property tax increase. So I wanted to 160 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: explain her by what they're advocating for their money, so 161 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: we know what they're talking about. Okay. No, those scumbags 162 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: down an avon the Amon school system because they they 163 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: were very upset that the new property tax law you're 164 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: gonna have to go to even years where people show 165 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: up to vote. And these school systems depend on people 166 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: not knowing there's referendums going on. They depend on people 167 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: not knowing them happening when people don't normally vote, because 168 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: they'll get all their people there. They decided they were 169 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: going to sprint to the finished line and do a 170 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: referendum in the fall this year and odd year because 171 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: that law now is is in effect, and they passed 172 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: their referendum to go to referendum before the new law 173 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: took effect, which I told Thompson and I told Braun, 174 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: and I told all these people this is going to happen. 175 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: But neither here nor there. Now what Casey's asking is 176 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: the Lieutenant Governor, I believe, told us this on our 177 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: radio program that he would go knock on doors for 178 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: any referendum and try to defeat any referendum. And the 179 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: Governor told me in our famous well our last encounter together. 180 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: You know, it was the final time the Governor I 181 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: ever appeared in the same room together and spoke words 182 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: and well, I'm so glad. 183 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: Mary patted you on the head and said they're there. 184 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: I told you will be fine. 185 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: I told Governor dementia patient that I said, these people 186 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: are going to be sprinting to the referendum turnstiles and 187 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: at one point he said, well I would, I would knock. 188 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: I said, are you going to go knock on doors 189 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: to help them? And he said, well yes, And I said, 190 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: I looked at everybody in the room and said, y'all, 191 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: transcribing that that the governor said he would go knock 192 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: on doors. So the people in Avon because they're being 193 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: forced to fight a referendum because just like the library people, 194 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: the Avon School System school board administrators clearly don't give 195 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: a damn about their taxpayers. They have reached out to 196 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: the governor and Lieutenant Governor in a feverish fashion to 197 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: find out when they're going to come knock on the doors. 198 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: I said publicly, whatever day they commit to, I will 199 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: come with them, show them how to do it, and 200 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: we will all in full force try to help the 201 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: people of Avon, Rob Kendall, the governor and the Lieutenant governor. 202 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: And thus far crickets, no return o elfono callo. 203 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 2: So that's not happening right now. 204 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: And Micah and Braun have such a strong, strong connection 205 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: to the truth case see and there's no track record. 206 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: Where is Micah Well, I don't know. I have not 207 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: seen nor heard, nor has anybody on social media. There's 208 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: been no verifiable photo that I have seen of the 209 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: Lieutenant governor in the past what I believe six days. 210 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: So if somebody has seen or heard from him. That's 211 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: kind of weird, isn't it. 212 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. The other question that I have for you, yes, 213 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 2: was regarding property taxes. We were told that that would 214 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: be readdressed in the next session, that's right, which starts 215 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: in January. 216 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: They Braun told me we're coming back for more. I 217 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: believe the direct quote was I'm coming back for more. 218 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: And I said you are coming for nothing. 219 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: Okay. 220 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: So have we heard the plan? No? No, and which 221 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: is we're in September. 222 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: I know that they're very focused on a special session, 223 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: whether they will or won't have that. 224 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, no, No, I've not heard anything. Which I 225 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: mean Orgay is November, so that's September October. They basically 226 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: got two and a half months. Yeah, because everything gets 227 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: sort of set by org Day. 228 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised.