1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:00,520 Speaker 1: Casey. 2 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know, but people are pretty 3 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: interested in this Trump Epstein, What in the world's going on? 4 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 3: Thank you don't say it's been going on for a 5 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 3: while now. 6 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: Well, we have obviously spent much of the past couple 7 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: of weeks talking about this whole thing, because it's so 8 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 2: bizarre how somebody can go from campaigning on something to 9 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 2: then just. 10 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: I don't understand what the big deal is. 11 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 3: Nothing to see here, move along, people, and. 12 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Then really kind of going at hard. People have been 13 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: ordinate supporters of his who are simply saying, look, we're 14 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: very concerned about a human sex trafficking ring. We're very 15 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: concerned about who these people were and what they were doing, 16 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 2: and we've just found it a little off that he 17 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: has responded in this manner. 18 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, and now if you're asking questions, you're deemed a 19 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 4: trouble maker. 20 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: So there's so much now about what Trump saying, Well, 21 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: I'm asking the DOJ to ask the court to release 22 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: this and release that and nothing legally, let's find out 23 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: what's actually going on here. And luckily when it comes 24 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: to our version of legal stuff, yeah, we got one 25 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: of the best in the business. We got a guy 26 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: he's an attorney to the stars. His name is Stephen p. 27 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: New. 28 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: He's represented many, many famous people throughout the great Fruited 29 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: Plains of America. 30 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: He joins us. Now, Stephen p New, Hello. 31 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 5: How are you guys doing? Good morning? Great? 32 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 2: So I thought, okay, first of all, start with this 33 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: is how hard is it to go to a court 34 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: like in t I'm saying, I'm asking the DOJ to 35 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: tell the court to release this information. How hard is 36 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: it to get a court to release grand jury information? 37 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 5: Okay, Well, the answer to every question in law school 38 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 5: was it depends all right, So upon what does it depend? Then, 39 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 5: would say my astute professors of. 40 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 6: Law at the West Virginia University College of Law. 41 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 5: And that was the tough part. So upon what does 42 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 5: it depend? Here? 43 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 6: In a case like this, you have had Jeffrey Epstein 44 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 6: and just Laying Maxwell charged with sex trafficking. Okay, one 45 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 6: would think that unless miss Maxwell were trafficking the children 46 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 6: to Epstein and or Epstein solely back to her, those 47 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 6: would be the only two people involved in the conspiracy. 48 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 6: So the only way that files might not be released, 49 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 6: or that the DOJ may not approach a judge to 50 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 6: say judge unseal these files would be if there is 51 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 6: an ongoing criminal investigation. We haven't heard anything about an 52 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 6: ongoing criminal investigation concerning Epstein or just laying Maxwell associates, 53 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 6: or the files could still be unsealed yet redacted with 54 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 6: victims information of the victims information, even if there were 55 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 6: no ongoing criminal investigation. If Congress, for instance, thought that 56 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 6: there was foreign influence over elected officials in the United 57 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 6: States and Congress wanted to subpoena these records, Congress could 58 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 6: subpoena these records and there would be intelligence committees or 59 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 6: other committees in Congress that the Court could release those 60 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 6: same files to remaining under seal. So for Pambondi's DOJ 61 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 6: to act like this is a nothing burger. When Pambondi 62 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 6: cash to Tel Dan Bongino on a podcast for four 63 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 6: solid years said release the Epstein files. 64 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 5: JD. 65 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 6: Vance on THEO Vaughn released the Epstein files. We got 66 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 6: to We've got to release the Epstein files and see 67 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 6: what's there. 68 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 5: And then just a couple of weeks ago come out and. 69 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 6: Go all right, look, we've looked in every file drawer 70 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 6: and we've checked the you know, three hundred gigs of data, 71 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 6: which is nothing. By the way, my opioid file is 72 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 6: for garabyite date. But that's there. 73 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 5: Hey, Steven, let me hundred gins of data. I hate 74 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 5: that for. 75 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: Breakfast, Steve, Steve, Steven, let me introduce you to your 76 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: audience in case he's dying to get in here, Steven P. 77 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: Who is our guest attorney to the stars. We're trying 78 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: to walk through legally, what in the world actually is 79 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: going on with the Epstein stuff and what should be 80 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: going on? 81 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: Casey go ahead? 82 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, you had mentioned that Congress can release the files, 83 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 4: but Speaker of the House Mike Johnson said he doesn't 84 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 4: allow he doesn't plan to allow any of those voting 85 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 4: measures to happen until after the recess, possibly. 86 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: Not until September. 87 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 6: Why wait, No, politics, that's the only reason why Mike Johnson, 88 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 6: UH would would want to wait about this, that they 89 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 6: don't want to give political opponents any ammunition. But I 90 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,119 Speaker 6: will tell you if this continues to fester, their base 91 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 6: is turning on them. 92 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: Stephen pu our guest. All right, so legally, I think 93 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: you did a great job of laying out why there 94 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: really is no case on why this wouldn't be released. 95 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: We see all the time, and you. 96 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 2: Know this as a as an attorney, that prosecutors when 97 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: they have a high profile case, they'll lay out the 98 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: evidence to the public to try to sway the public 99 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: on their side. Even this stuff, if it wasn't released 100 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: to a grand jury, they have the evidence, right. Is 101 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 2: there anything legally that would prevent them Stephen from laying 102 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: this out to the public. Here's what we took. Here 103 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 2: was the evidence that we took to the grand jury. 104 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 5: Like I said, the only reason why. 105 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 6: You wouldn't do it would be if you had an 106 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 6: ongoing criminal investigation. 107 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 5: Notice that Pam Bondy, by. 108 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 6: The way, Stetson University Law School in Saint Petersburg's very 109 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 6: nice law school. 110 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 5: They have their own pool. I was there a few 111 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 5: weeks ago. She said. You know, she's never said. 112 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 6: We're not releasing these files because of an ongoing criminal investigation. 113 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 5: In fact, she said the opposite, that there was no 114 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 5: other unindicted co conspirators for instance. So Pambondi has specifically. 115 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 6: Said, not only is there no ongoing criminal investigation, there 116 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 6: are no unindicted co conspirators. And we know better than 117 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 6: that because Prince Andrew settled a defamation case against one 118 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 6: of the young ladies from the modeling agency, and the 119 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 6: tentacles of this with the Wexler guy who founded Victorious 120 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 6: Secret and bed Bath and Beyond, and Epstein running that 121 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 6: guy's finances, and then the modeling guy that ended up 122 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 6: dead in a French prison in twenty twenty two. 123 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 5: I mean, this stuff is crazy. 124 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 6: And notice also when I'm doing cases, I listen for 125 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 6: what the other side doesn't say. What Pambondy did didn't 126 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 6: say was that Jeffrey Epstein was acting on behalf of 127 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 6: a foreign government who had blackmail information with compromised United 128 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 6: States politicians and high profile celebrities. 129 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 5: She never said that. 130 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: Stephen Pu is our guest at Turning to the Stars. 131 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: He has represented many famous people over the years, and 132 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: he does civil litigation, criminal litigation. If you were to 133 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: ever be on the wrong side of Stephen Pu, I've 134 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: seen him in action some of his more okay, No, 135 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: it's not okay, So, Steven, is there anything we the 136 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: public can do? Is there a sort of like law 137 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: suit or anything they could file to try to force 138 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: the hand on this. 139 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 6: There's really not, because there's no way absent the family 140 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 6: of Jeffrey Epstein bringing a wrongful death lawsuit against the 141 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 6: Federal Bureau of Prisons, or just Laine Maxwell asserting her innocence. 142 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 5: Notice, if I. 143 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 6: Were just Laine Maxwell's attorney, I would have already piled 144 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 6: the motion. Yeah, but short of one of those two things, 145 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 6: there's nothing really the public can do other than political 146 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 6: pressure to say, look, if you are a publican and 147 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 6: you are a MAGA, and Trump Vance Bondi Patel Bonginie 148 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 6: campaigned on We're going to get to the bottom of 149 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 6: what Biden's DJ's covering up here and why they won't 150 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 6: release the Epstein list, well, you know you were put 151 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 6: in office for that. 152 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 5: If I'm a MAGA, I. 153 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 6: Say, look, I voted for you in part because I 154 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 6: wanted to find out whether our government was compromised and 155 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 6: who these high profile people were on this you know, 156 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 6: sex trafficking list, and now you've. 157 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 5: Completely abandoned me on that. 158 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 6: So political pressure from both the left and the right 159 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 6: is the only thing that's going to get to. 160 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 5: The bottom of this. 161 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: Hey, before we let you go, I wonder this, like 162 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: when baseball players, retired baseball players are old timey base 163 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: players watch baseball games, do they like are they super 164 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: critic of the game, or like I would hit the 165 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: ball down. Stephen, when you watch criminal cases, do you 166 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: do that? Like if you do, you do you play 167 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: along at home? Or if I was just laying Maxwell's attorney, 168 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 2: here's what I would have done. 169 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: Do you do that? 170 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 5: Absolutely? Absolutely, and I'll do that until the day I die. 171 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 6: That the all they do in law school is program 172 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 6: you to think like a lawyer and surgically remove your heart, 173 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 6: you know, so you're you're a lawyer until the day 174 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 6: you die. 175 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 5: And absolutely When when when. 176 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 6: Pam Bondi came out and uh said there is no 177 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 6: Epstein file, I immediately thought them, why is just laying 178 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 6: Max in prison? 179 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the deal, casey. If someone ever comes at 180 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: me for because I'd of course never commit any sort 181 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: of felonious actions or crimes against you. Man, if somebody 182 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 2: comes at me or if you want to get tangled 183 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: some sort of civil action, the law firm of Stephen 184 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: pnu is is who I'm going with, So you better 185 00:09:58,800 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 2: get ready. 186 00:09:59,360 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: That makes a lot. 187 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 4: I think that would be a good choice, Stephen. Before 188 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 4: we let you go, I have one last question for you. 189 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 4: The Wall Street Journal was banned from Trump's Scotland trip 190 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 4: over this Epstein story and the alleged picture and birthday note. 191 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 4: And Trump of course has threatened to sue the Wall 192 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 4: Street Journal. Anything there? 193 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 5: Why was jd Vance. 194 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 6: With Rupert Murdoch three days before that journal story broke. 195 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm just being a conspiracy theorist again. Oh my, 196 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 6: my stars and garters. So here's the thing. The Wall 197 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 6: Street Journal's been sued for defamation. Truth is an absolute defense. 198 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 6: If the letter from the Wall Street Journal is authentic, 199 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 6: they win that case. 200 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 2: Is it possible they could have have been allowed to 201 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: print that without definitive proof because they had to know 202 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: what was coming. 203 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 5: Oh it's tricky. 204 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 6: I mean, if they had a reliable source to so, 205 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 6: and yes, this is an authentic copy of a Donald 206 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 6: Trump letter and signature and et cetera. Through the lawsuit process, 207 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 6: they are going to have to prove the authenticity of that. 208 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 5: Document, that the document is what. 209 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 6: They said in their story that it was. And if 210 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 6: they can't do that, then Trump's going to win. If 211 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 6: they can do that, then Trump's got a lot of 212 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 6: egg on his face because he said things like I 213 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 6: don't draw pictures. Of course, and of course there's about 214 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 6: twelve of his pictures hanging galleries in different places, but 215 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 6: that's neither here nor there. 216 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 5: So I am watching. 217 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 6: I have a defamation case against New York Times right 218 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 6: now in Alabama concerning a former Alabama basketball player. It 219 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 6: goes to trial in May twenty twenty six, and I 220 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 6: am going to be watching the Wall Street Journal Trump 221 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 6: case with baited breath. 222 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: Stephen P the best in the business. Thank you, my friend. 223 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 5: Thank you for having me on. Guys, great to talk 224 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 5: to you as always. 225 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 4: You're listening to Kettle and Casey on ninety three WIBC. 226 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm all for people trying to do the right thing. 227 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: My concern is. 228 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 2: The pure mechanics of trying to do this thing are 229 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 2: vague and the devils in the details. 230 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: And I don't think this. 231 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: Works from just an x's and o's point of view. 232 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 2: So it's Kennelly, Casey, Sean Rob that's Casey we're talking about. 233 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: There's this growing chorus of people in the legislature who 234 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 2: want the State of Indiana to take over the downtown 235 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: area for lack of a better term. 236 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's a couple of aspects of this. You've 237 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 4: got state Senator Mike Young. He suggested that the state 238 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 4: police take over jurisdiction of the Indianapolis Miles Square. Yes, 239 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 4: and then you also have State Rep. Andrew Ireland calling 240 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 4: for legislation that would allow the General Assembly to impeach 241 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 4: prosecutors and judges who fail to enforce state laws. 242 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: Okay, so couple of things. 243 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: One, if you're not going to solve the problem, which 244 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 2: is out of control violence and that people think they 245 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: can do whatever they want to do by just putting 246 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: up what I guess the state police in the downtown area. 247 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: First of all, the state leaders are not equipped to do. 248 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 2: That's not what they do. They're not patrol officers, most 249 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: of them. They're not trained in that. Again, I equated 250 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 2: it to it's like playing golf in the British Open 251 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: when it's you know, sixty degrees and wind blowing in 252 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: the side, versus trying to play at Augusta, Georgia where 253 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 2: it's seventy five and sunny. It's still the same game 254 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: of golf. It is a different way. You got to 255 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: hit the ball, got to move the ball, the course 256 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 2: is different. Not trained to do that. So are you 257 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: going to then create a whole new class of officer 258 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: who is trained to work like IMPD works. Well, who's 259 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 2: gonna pay for that? How much is that gonna cost? 260 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: You're gonna have a group of people reporting what to 261 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: the governor and then a group of people that still 262 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: report to hog Set. Okay, whatever, let's just pretend you 263 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: we're gonna do that. When I was in my twenties, 264 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: there was a clear movement of violence in the city 265 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: between downtown and Broad Uple. And what would happen and 266 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: this was like it was ping pong, even your odd ear. 267 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: The violence would be out of control in Broad Ruple. 268 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: There'd be a bunch of headlines. The cops would flood 269 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: Broad Ruple village and you would just see a starting 270 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: at about midnight, you'd see a row of cars down 271 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: the main strip in Broad Rupple for the remainder of 272 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: the evening, and then it would all get under control 273 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: because they couldn't get away with it there, and then 274 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: violence would get out of troll downtown, and so the 275 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: next year you would see the cops flood back in 276 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: the greater downtown mile area and violence would get under 277 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: control here and would go back to Broad Ripple like 278 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: they're not going to stop being violent. You aren't going 279 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: to stop killing people. They're going to stop doing their criminals. 280 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: So if you're going to say well and say it 281 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: out loud, well, hey, the one mile greater downtown area 282 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: is such an economic driver. Their lives are the people's lives. 283 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: They are more important than other people's lives. We're gonna 284 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: flood it and we're just not gonna let it happen here. Okay, 285 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: we're gonna have that conversation, but let's at least admit 286 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 2: out loud what we're saying, because this is not going 287 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: to stop violence in the city of Indianapolis just simply 288 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: letting the state take over the downtown area. 289 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 4: So Mike Young proposes that the mile square boundary is north, south, east, 290 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 4: and West streets, which includes the State House and the 291 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 4: Government Complex, Monument Circle, the Indiana War Memorial Circle, Center Mall, 292 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 4: and also Gamebridge Field House. And how he wants this 293 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 4: to be governed is that a commission is appointed by 294 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 4: the governor and then they have a five member council, 295 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 4: one member who's appointed by the governor, two by the House, 296 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 4: two by the Senate, and then residents are going to 297 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 4: be able to vote on whether to retain these council members. 298 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: So wait, wait, so. 299 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: We're going to create it's even worse than I thought. 300 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: He's going to create a whole new level of government. 301 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 4: Well, he says, it's not going to cost the city 302 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 4: any money. They won't lose it. Actually, they'll be able 303 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 4: to do a better job because they have less duties 304 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 4: to perform, so they can move them outside of the 305 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 4: townships to perform. 306 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: Those who's going to pay for it? 307 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 4: He says, it's like solo wash just but who reassign 308 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 4: where they're working? 309 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: This does not And again, if we're going to say 310 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: out like it's this thing, never say the thing out loud. 311 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: Just say it out loud, Senator Young, we think the 312 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: people and the stuff in downtown is more important than 313 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: the rest of the city of Indianapolis. 314 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: Okay, great, let's hap to number secon of. 315 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 3: The reasons I asked you. 316 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 4: Okay, where is this Indianapolis mile that he's talking about? 317 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 3: Does it include the State House? 318 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: It does, of course. 319 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: Okay, now we're being honest brokers with each other. Where 320 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: the lives of the people in downtown because all the 321 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: money they generate are more important than the people on 322 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: the east side. Okay, great, let's have the conversation. Now, 323 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 2: we can have that, But it's just all this we 324 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: just dance around the issue at play. 325 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: Here. 326 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 4: He's saying, we don't have to take any money out 327 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 4: of the budget to do it, and we won't have 328 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 4: to have anyone outside of the miles square actually. 329 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 3: Have to pay for it. 330 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 2: So is the money fairy just going to leave palettes 331 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: of cash for this new Have we ever formed a 332 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: new layer of government that didn't cost anyone anything? keV 333 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 2: Casey has a new layer of government really, which has 334 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: I guess, elections and people voting, and that's not going 335 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: to cost anyone anything. 336 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 4: These are the law enforcement changes that he's proposing. 337 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 3: So the Indiana State Police. 338 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 4: Would become the primary law enforcement agency for this area. 339 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 2: Okay, where where are those officers going to come from? 340 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: People off the highways of the highways? 341 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 3: Correct, they would just be reassigned, so. 342 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: There's now fewer people policing the rest of the state. Okay, 343 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: Now we're having an honest conversation here. We're we're screwing 344 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: everyone else because hog Set and Mears can't get their 345 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 2: act together, and we think these people's lives are more 346 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 2: important than the rest of the state. Okay, good, now 347 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: we're having the conversation. 348 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: There's more. 349 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 4: The attorney General would prosecute crimes in the district, not 350 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 4: Ryan Mehers. 351 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: The attorney General doesn't have any Roketa made that very 352 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 2: clear with Diego. He doesn't have any criminal authority. But 353 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 2: now we're going to give him m. 354 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 4: So hey just to prosecute crimes in the district. That 355 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 4: would include the state House though. 356 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: So okay, So Todd Rokeita, if indeed he is still 357 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 2: the is if he indeed is still the attorney general 358 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: is going to let's say it's a because you know, 359 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 2: Young is going to be prosecuting all those marijuana offenses. 360 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 2: He's gonna be prosecuting dimebags. Todd Rokeita for the prosecution. 361 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 2: Uh really, but did you. 362 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: Hear what I said? 363 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 4: The Attorney General then would be able to prosecute crimes 364 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 4: in the district. Within the district is the state House. Yes, 365 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 4: but and all those people who work there and do 366 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 4: what they do. 367 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: Well, that's a great point. No, that is I I 368 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: just saw. 369 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 2: The life settled, settled, settled. 370 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: Settled, suttle. You're on board, hoss, do it? 371 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 3: Greenlight? 372 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: Oh, another law enforcement. 373 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 4: Change that he's proposing is that the Indian Helblois Fire 374 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 4: Department Station thirteen would be transferred to state control. 375 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 3: It would be part of the Department of hot. 376 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: I don't even care about any of this. 377 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: Now we start prosecuting people in the state House, although 378 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: that would involve Urketa having to do it, and we've 379 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 2: seen who he's given money to, so I have no 380 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: faith in that. 381 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: But well, if we could. 382 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 2: Start prosecuting the people in the state House, that all 383 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 2: it takes is a pen from the Attorney General, we 384 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: get somebody decent in there. 385 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So. 386 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: Now stay wrapped Andrew Ireland. 387 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 4: He says that he wants lawmakers to consider giving the 388 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 4: General Assembly the power to impeach prosecutors and judges who 389 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 4: fail to enforce state law. 390 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: Just I don't realistically think and we gotta get to 391 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 2: a break. I just don't think this is going to 392 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: change until the City of Indianapolis, the people here demand 393 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 2: that it changes, and that means you got to start 394 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: electing better people. 395 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 4: You're listening to Kendall and Casey. It is ninety three WYBC. 396 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 2: Okay, we got to provide an update on something we 397 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 2: talked about yesterday. Yeah, it turns out that thing is 398 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 2: real and it's spectacular. 399 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: Uh huh, what thing? 400 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: Okay, So, if you missed yesterday's show, I posed the 401 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 2: question somebody had brought to my attention. There is some 402 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 2: sort of Facebook group. 403 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, are we dating the same guy? 404 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: Are we? 405 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 2: That's the actual name of the group in which women 406 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 2: can get on there under a not and I guess 407 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: men I don't know. Can are men allowed to participate too? 408 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 2: Or is it just I don't believe? 409 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 6: So? 410 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: Oh you can't. But if you're a man dating the 411 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: same man, do you not have the right to know? 412 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 3: It's a different, different group, always different group. 413 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: Okay, so it's just for women, So if you're a woman, 414 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: you can get on there under some sort of anonymous 415 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: screen name. However, you told me there's some sort of 416 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: vetting process so that people just are supposing there's an 417 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: admin of some sort who knows who all the top secret. 418 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: Names, verifies before you get approval to post. 419 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 4: Okay, by the way, my handle's big Booty Judy. 420 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 2: Yes, it's the names in the thing in which I 421 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 2: sent you appeared to just be a bunch of digits, right, 422 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: The thing that I sent you, Yeah. 423 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 3: It was like anonymous user yea TK four two one. 424 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 2: But you were telling me there is some great and 425 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: powerful OZ who knows who these people are and verifies 426 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: that they're legitimate human beings. Okay, And they had posted 427 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 2: someone that. 428 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: I know was a legend. 429 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: Engaged in some sort of social interaction with multiple women. 430 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 2: And then what had given me pause though, was that 431 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: the picture they were using was from one of these 432 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 2: dating sites. And so then I thought, Okay, how do 433 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: we even know that's the person? What if someone is 434 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: do they have they met this guy in person? Are 435 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: they both interacting on this dating site? How do you 436 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: even know this is this person? Could I create an 437 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: account on some dating site portinuing to be Kevin McNamara, Like, 438 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 2: what is the vetting of this? This seems like there 439 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: could be some red flags. Maybe I'm being set up 440 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 2: for some sort. 441 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 3: Of stooge test, right, But you found out. 442 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: Then I found out through a third multiple third parties 443 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: who apparently have investigated this and confirmed that. 444 00:22:59,000 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a right. 445 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: I can't even begin to go into the story because 446 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 2: I don't want this person to be outed. They I 447 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 2: don't think they've actually done anything worth outing whatever. But 448 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: indeed yes, that that is correct, that they had caught 449 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: it appears this right person, that person was in fact 450 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 2: engaging in with multiple But I don't but I don't, 451 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,239 Speaker 2: But I don't think it's I don't think it's as 452 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 2: clear this is the thing. I don't think it's as 453 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: clear cut as people like lead it. And I don't 454 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 2: even know how to say it without outing, potentially outing 455 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: the person. I'm not going to do that to them, 456 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: even though they probably deserve it. But if that turns 457 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: out that website appears to be very legitimate a way 458 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 2: of tracking who's dating who, right, or at least somewhat reputable. 459 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 3: I don't know exactly. So this is just a lesson. 460 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 3: If you don't have the word exclusive conversation. 461 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well this was who could be checked on. This 462 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: was my question. Okay, so this is through my mind. Okay, 463 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 2: this person I believe would be new to the market 464 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: and or the field of play or whatever. 465 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: Kevin, you guys call this thing. 466 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: Now and do you have to do you have I mean, 467 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: do you have to on the first date, Kevin, do 468 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: you have to say now, this is not I'm not 469 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 2: exclusively engaging in social interaction with you. 470 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: Do you have to spell that out. 471 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: I mean, unless there's a perception that you are exclusive, 472 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 2: do you have to spell out that it's not? 473 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: I mean, why are we on the website, Kevin? 474 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 3: Do do people still ask do you want to be 475 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 3: my girlfriend? Do you want to be my boyfriend? 476 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 5: Yeah? 477 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 7: I feel like the conversation happens meeting, not the first 478 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 7: date though. 479 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: So that's my point. 480 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 4: Yes, So like, you don't have to You shouldn't assume 481 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 4: that you're exclusive unless you have the. 482 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: Talk, because then I was even thinking, well, what if they're. 483 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: Not just meeting but engaging in some sort of interpersonal interaction. 484 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: But then even that, don't you have to have that conversation? 485 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: And if you don't have that kind conversation, then does 486 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 2: that make you a bad guy if you're engaging in 487 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: the stuff with other people? If there's not the we're 488 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 2: exclusive conversation? Should you be outed on the internet unless 489 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 2: you're promising some sort of you know you and only 490 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: you baby forever and ever type of thing? Do you 491 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: deserve to be outed on the internet? 492 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 4: Probably not unless it's been a while, right, Like, have 493 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 4: you played Shoots and Ladders multiple times? What if you've 494 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 4: played Shoots and Ladder? What is that it's a board game. 495 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: Oh, if you. 496 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 3: You know, if you've done that multiple times. 497 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: What is it? What's the premise of the game. 498 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 3: It's like candy Land with shoots and ladders. 499 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: Okay, if you've done that multiple candy Land either, what 500 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: is that? 501 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 3: Seriously? Have you ever played Monopoly? 502 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: I have played Monopoly. 503 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: Okay, if you played Monopoly multiple locus you're. 504 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: Just taking like a specific game for a reason. I didn't. 505 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: I just know you're just taking random board games. Yes, 506 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: very good. It could have been Hungry Hungry Hippo for 507 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: a right. 508 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 4: Okay, if you've played Hungry Hungry Hippo many times, you 509 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 4: might start to assume that you're exclusive. 510 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: Of Oh I got you, I got you. So you're saying, 511 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: is there a number? 512 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 5: Is there? 513 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: Is there a number? Kevin? You're you're in this world? 514 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: What's the number? How many? 515 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 2: How many transactions have to take place? Ifhere you're assuming 516 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: that you're the only person, only bank you're banking with, Like, 517 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 2: what's the number? 518 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 7: Depends? 519 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: I guess. 520 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 2: But you don't have the you don't have the right 521 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 2: if you choose, if you choose to hop into the 522 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 2: Saccharino with some guy on the first or second date 523 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 2: and you don't have this conversation, you don't have any 524 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 2: right to declare that that guy's the only guy. 525 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 3: Now. 526 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 2: That may make you mad, but I don't think that 527 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 2: guy should get outed on the internet. 528 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, there's a lot of situationships as they call 529 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 7: it nowadays, thank you, it's you know, it's pretty loose. 530 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 3: I think maybe it's a check and balance for the ladies. 531 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 4: Like, Okay, before I get my heart set on this fella, 532 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 4: I have to make sure that he's looking only at 533 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 4: me as well. 534 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: But then you got to ask. 535 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 3: You got to ask him, not the internet. 536 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: Keep your underwear on until you ask and get an answer. 537 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: How about that? I mean, right, I mean, isn't that 538 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: just that simple? Just keep your underwear on until you 539 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: get an answer? 540 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 3: Now, why you gotta go sleuthing around? 541 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: And then even if you know, do you really know? See? 542 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: This is why, no, you never know exactly. See, this 543 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: is why I came up with years ago what I 544 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 2: off the play with the Kevin Bacon thing when I 545 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 2: called the six degrees of separation, which is I got 546 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 2: to talk. Well, I don't have to talk to anybody now, 547 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: but back in the day, you used to have to 548 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 2: talk to six people that knew the person that I 549 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 2: was pondering transactional encounters with. And I always said the 550 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: averages are, if you talk to six people, if there's 551 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: anything to know, because we are a gossipy society, yeah, 552 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 2: then you're gonna know it from six people. And if 553 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: you've been as through a six person vetting process, right, 554 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: then your chances of whatever you're about to engage with 555 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: or more get. 556 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 3: Through that vetting process. 557 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 4: If it's somebody that you just met from a dating app, 558 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 4: like you don't know their friend group, you haven't met anybody, 559 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 4: they all with. 560 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: No, No, this is I'm talking about, like when you 561 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 2: actually used to do real work like you used to. 562 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: Facebook used to be a dating site. See. 563 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: The death of Facebook has been one of the worst 564 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 2: things for humanity because originally Facebook was predominantly college kids, 565 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: and it was predominant. 566 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: Everybody knew why they were there. It was to see 567 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: are you hot or not? 568 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 2: And I'm as slide in your DMS and I'm going 569 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: to tell you some story either too rich to believe 570 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: or a sob or whatever I think you need to 571 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: feel to engage in getting to know me. And then 572 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 2: you knew you could tell based on you the mutual 573 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,239 Speaker 2: friends were, and then work off of that. I have 574 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: no idea on the things now, I don't know, Kevin, 575 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: how would you do that? You don't know who their 576 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: friends are? 577 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, you're just meeting a bunch of random Do 578 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 7: you use real names on these? 579 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: Well? Could I find you on Facebook? 580 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 7: I feel like most of the time it's real names, 581 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 7: but there's a lot of fake. 582 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: Do you go by Kevin or is it Gerald? I 583 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 2: just I use my real name. You make your real name. 584 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 7: Women are more common for them to use fake stage names. 585 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 1: See that. 586 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: But again, if you go on a date with someone 587 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: and you can just keep your underwear on, you should 588 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: be able to learn their actual name, which means then 589 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: you can do the thing. You just gotta have a 590 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: little more patience than you used to have to a. 591 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 4: Well, maybe not keeping the underwear on was the entire 592 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 4: goal of the date. 593 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: Well then, but then you're being hobo sexual all right 594 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: to the break we go. 595 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 4: It's Kennily Casey on ninety three WIBC. 596 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: I love how outraged you are that they're trying to 597 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: save Colbert. 598 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 3: It's kind of bothering me. 599 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 4: It's being a reported that Jimmy Fallon, Seth Myers, and 600 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 4: John Stewart. They're all going to appear on The lad 601 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 4: Show with Stephen Colbert and show who is it Jimmy Fallon, 602 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 4: Seth Myers and John Stewart. 603 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: Oh, the other hosts, the other host that's right. 604 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 4: They're going to show solidarity with him for his show 605 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 4: being canceled. Not to entertain you, not to inform you, 606 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 4: but just to mourn the loss of their own influence. 607 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 4: But why are they so outraged? This guy made millions 608 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 4: of dollars. 609 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: He can right off to. 610 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 4: The sunset and have a wonderful fall. 611 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: Of his life because they're next. They know, like it's 612 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 2: hitting home like this, this is over. It's over. Like 613 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 2: people don't want it, they don't like it, they don't 614 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 2: like you. They know they're probably next. So they're trying 615 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: to show some sort of you know, hey, we're all 616 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: in it together, when the reality is that show lost 617 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: a lot of money, the advertisers were not supporting it, 618 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 2: people were not watching it. And again, let's face it, 619 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: network television mostly dead, but network television mostly a thing 620 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 2: of the past. 621 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, with the exception of sports and some local news. 622 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 2: Yes, because you know, it's like our WIBC does extremely well. 623 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 2: We could look, you look at the ratings, you look 624 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 2: at the numbers. We are one of the few radio 625 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: stations out there that is not crack the code, is 626 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: not the right message. But in terms of a radio 627 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 2: industry which continues to have some struggles, we do very 628 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 2: well because we give the people what they want. And yeah, 629 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 2: we're competing against podcasting that can be more edgy, you know, 630 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 2: we're competing against satellite radio, which can be more edgy. 631 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 2: One of the reasons we do so well is we 632 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: bring people local stuff that they can't get anywhere else 633 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 2: and commentary on it. Because of the way we view 634 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: the world and the way we view these people that 635 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 2: they can't get anywhere else, so they'll keep tuning in. 636 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: But network television. 637 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 2: Other than sports, one one off type events, and to 638 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: some extent, the local news, they're just they're not they're 639 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 2: not giving people that anymore. So they're they're not they're 640 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: not tuning in. And in a world I mean, you know, 641 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 2: you're old enough to remember late night comedy used to 642 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: be the thing, right, what's Carson going to say tonight? 643 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: But even to extent from my generation, doesn't it was 644 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: the battle of Letterman and Leno. Who you know, who's 645 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: side are you on? It's Coke and PEPSI. You know, 646 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: oh did you see you? So and so had on? 647 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 2: Just nobody cares anymore. We're so connected into the world. 648 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: Like Kevil appreciate this. There was a time where you 649 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 2: might tape the late night show, even if you were 650 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 2: a late night than because my favorite band is going 651 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: to be on tonight. 652 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: Oh boy, I can't wait. You know you do that. 653 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 2: You see your band all the time, Like every concert 654 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: is on YouTube. You know, that's just not there's nothing 655 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,719 Speaker 2: they're offering anymore. It's like it's like the fax machine. 656 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: It's just a it's something from a bygone era. 657 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, and the guests would just be on there pushing 658 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 4: their latest project. 659 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 3: And the other thing is like Colbert had like twenty. 660 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 4: Riders on his staff and they still couldn't get the eyeballs. 661 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 5: Yeah. 662 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 2: And do you think about who's more funny, Shane Gillis 663 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 2: or Stephen Colbert. Who's more funny Dave Chappelle or Stephen Colbert. 664 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 2: There's all these theovonn or you know, like Stephen theovonn. 665 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 2: Just sit Kevin need to just like sitt his house 666 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 2: or something to talk to people. 667 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, but he's naturally funny and effortless for him, he's not. 668 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: He's not a natural ale. 669 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 2: And for so many years guys of his generation, No, 670 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 2: you're laughing, that's the truth. They came up in the system. 671 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 2: The system anointed the next guy. He was connected to Stewart, 672 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 2: he becomes the next guy. I can behavior do whatever 673 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 2: I want. People just think I'm funny. No, it works anymore. 674 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 2: People have options. 675 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: You're right. 676 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: Theobann's a super cool, hyper likable dude who talks about 677 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 2: stuff in normal ways that people want to see. 678 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: So thus he's gonna blow U about that. 679 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 3: You've got You've got him. 680 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 4: He might have one or two people helping him switch 681 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 4: you know on his podcast. Compare that you know shoes 682 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 4: string budget compared to the millions that they sunk into 683 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 4: all authenticity. 684 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: Authenticity is the key. 685 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 2: We do a number one rated radio program in which 686 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 2: over fifty thous and people a day tune in to 687 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: hear this program. And it's you and it's me, and 688 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: it's keV Right, it's just us, a couple of cackling 689 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 2: hens making it up as we go along. Because We're 690 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 2: authentic everywhere that comes out of that. We don't need 691 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 2: a ton bunch of time to prepare. We need twenty 692 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 2: people to write for us. We don't need a you know, 693 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 2: somebody booking all the gap like it's just real. Those 694 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 2: guys are not real. The whole thing is ridiculous. It's 695 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 2: losing money. 696 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: Audios. I hope they all go with him, Foulon Kimmel, 697 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: all of them out of here. 698 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 4: They're saying goodbye. You're listening to Kendall and Casey. It 699 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 4: is ninety three WIBC