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Speaker 1: I just feel like the Pacers are and this is

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Speaker 1: before the game, the Pacers will honor Nancy Leonard, who

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Speaker 1: and I have talked plenty about this, Tony East again

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Speaker 1: to the landscape of sports in Indianapolis today, because Nancy Leonard,

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Speaker 1: in driving the Pacers into the NBA, facilitating for the

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Speaker 1: will be honored pregame, and it is requested by and

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Speaker 1: I think planned for the Pacers that after the tribute

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest pillars, not just for the Pacers,

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Speaker 1: now on the Java House Peel and poor guest line

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Speaker 1: talking about tonight's game, and Tony, let's begin with this

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Speaker 1: the the year in itself and we can get into

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Speaker 1: the stuff that I was just talking about with this

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Speaker 1: but I want to focus right now just on the

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Speaker 1: team itself. So much discussion about Tyrese, Haliburt, Myles turn

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this team without Tyrese and Miles and recent seasons

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Speaker 2: me about what you said earlier, like pretty close to

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Speaker 2: winning half their games right without Tyree's last year, I

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Speaker 2: think they went what like three and four, four and

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Speaker 2: This year, they can do that. They will have time,

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Speaker 2: They had just had a full training camp, all beit

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Speaker 4: But the other part of this is like.

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Speaker 2: How many of their rotation players are still young and

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Speaker 2: So it's not a fun win win scenario, but it's

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Speaker 2: if you're gonna have a year without Haliburn, at least

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Speaker 2: Like if he puts all that together, now that's obviously

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Furfee to me, let me tell you, Tony,

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Speaker 1: But the style that they do this year may not

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Speaker 2: Those two players are quite good at it. So to

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Speaker 2: But maybe even slightly faster than they did last year.

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Speaker 2: This is actually going to look like, because not only

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Speaker 2: To have all this come out right after their season starts, too,

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Speaker 1: Which is what Porter did correct Tony when he claimed

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Speaker 1: Here's the ultimate irony in all of this, Okay, the

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Speaker 2: Yes, and and well, and that's the thing like that,

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Speaker 2: Right, So it's really hard to like conflate the perfect

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Speaker 4: Be number one.

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Speaker 2: You have to have people watching, believing and knowing, knowing,

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Speaker 2: And it's just all so much pointing in opposite directions,

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Speaker 4: Am I allowed to do that?

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Speaker 1: Again, the Pacers are going to have a moment of

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Speaker 1: Tony appreciate it and we will look forward to talking

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Speaker 1: Ralph Reef dot com is the website where you can

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Speaker 1: read about his expertise. Again REEF spelled r e I

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Speaker 1: f F Executive Performance Solutions, REEF Executive Performance Solutions. Talking injuries, Ralph,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to begin with this one. You ready, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Sir Taekwon Lewis, you know, has a groin injury that

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Speaker 1: groin injury. It means he hurt the inside of his leg.

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Speaker 5: attached to the pelvis at different points in the pelvis

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00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 5: up high and they terminate down.

438
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 4: Somewhere, all in different spots.

439
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 5: On the femur midshaft a little further down the femur,

440
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Speaker 5: and so think of it as a single arm crane

441
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 5: that is anchored to the ground, and it's just your

442
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 5: basic one span crane that hooks onto something and pulls

443
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Speaker 5: it to another direction.

444
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 4: That's what the adductor does.

445
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 5: And the biggest deterrent to somebody getting back into play,

446
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 5: and has a fair amount to do with why the

447
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 5: injury curred to begin with, is that muscle group has

448
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 5: a lot to do with single legs, stance, stability, and

449
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 5: you see it all the time in sports. Watch the

450
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 5: NBA game tonight and watch somebody underneath the basket getting

451
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 5: a little off balance and they land on one leg

452
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 5: going for rebounder.

453
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 4: After shot or whatever.

454
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 5: The adductor muscle group is very very important in stabilizing

455
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 5: the body so the athlete can keep going.

456
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Speaker 1: And so a groin, so the ad douctor, if you will,

457
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Speaker 1: you said six basically six cables. Is that a fair

458
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: way of saying it?

459
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right.

460
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Speaker 1: Okay, so those six cables in once you the six

461
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: of them combined are listed as groin. Is that fair?

462
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 4: Yes, that is very fair.

463
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Speaker 1: So does this mean when you see somebody that has

464
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Speaker 1: a groin injury, could that mean that any one of

465
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: those six cables is compromised or does it usually mean

466
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Speaker 1: all six across the board?

467
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 5: Nope, it's usually a combination of one, two, three, four.

468
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Speaker 4: Rare, rare to have.

469
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Speaker 5: Six all six components involved in the injury.

470
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Speaker 6: Ralph, we just witnessed this with Caitlin Clark during the

471
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Speaker 6: DOUNBA season. She suffers a groin injury.

472
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Speaker 1: I think it was.

473
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Speaker 6: I think was on the left side of her body.

474
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Speaker 6: Then they rush her back too quickly minutes the right side.

475
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 6: I may have that backwards. But either way, if you

476
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 6: rush this injury back, is there a chance for you know,

477
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 6: trying to overcompensate. Next thing, you know, you compromise the

478
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 6: other part or the other leg in the groin area.

479
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 5: You're exactly right, that compromising does occur. And one of

480
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 5: the great challenges in sports medicine in with soft tissue injuries.

481
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 5: So the adductor muscles, the hamstring, quadriceps, soft tissue injuries,

482
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 5: the calf. When the human body doesn't have a have

483
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 5: indicator light on it, right, it doesn't have a green, yellow, red,

484
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 5: And so we really have to rely upon the athletes

485
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 5: feedback during their normal routine of things going up and downstairsteps,

486
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 5: getting in and out of a car, swinging your leg,

487
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 5: lifting your body up single leg out of a car seat.

488
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Speaker 4: All of those.

489
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 5: Things are part of the discernment to the athlete of saying, hey,

490
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 5: I can't.

491
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Speaker 4: Even get myself out of the car.

492
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 5: There's no way I can play my position. But then

493
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 5: they start walking around and doing things and they're able

494
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 5: to function normally. Well, there's no way to reproduce the

495
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 5: intensity of a practice or a.

496
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 4: Game until you do it.

497
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Speaker 5: You know, we we haven't yet designed the machine or

498
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 5: the mechanism to put somebody into a device and say, okay,

499
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 5: we're going to replicate the speed and intensity and adrenaline

500
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 5: of a game to see if that adductor hamstring, quadricep

501
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 5: is ready to go. That's always the danger. And so

502
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 5: when you say got them back too fast, Well, that's

503
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 5: the rear view mirror, right. But it's it's a very

504
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 5: very challenging injur a soft tissue injuries, very challenging for

505
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 5: the return to play. And I think Kenny Moore, who

506
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 5: did not practice yesterday, is very interesting to me.

507
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 4: I'll just leave it at.

508
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: That, okay. And I want to piggyback off that, Ralph,

509
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Speaker 1: because you know Kenny Moore, I believe it's achilles is

510
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: the listed injury on why he did not practice correct, Yes, okay.

511
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: And so when you say it's very interesting, is that

512
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: because that is an area of intricacy that can fluctuate

513
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: from one week to the next.

514
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, so's there's a white spectrum. The medical staff, coaches,

515
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 5: Kenny Moore, his agent may have all said, let's agree

516
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 5: upon the fact that we're going to reduce the repetitions

517
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 5: for Kenny going forward. So therefore he's not going to

518
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 5: practice on Wednesdays. That may have been agreed upon. So

519
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 5: there may be absolutely nothing to read into the fact

520
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 5: that he did not practice yesterday. Accept the fact that

521
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 5: somewhere in all of those stakeholders there's a level of concern.

522
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 5: You get what I'm saying, Yes, there's some level of.

523
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: Catern In other words, if he was completely clear and

524
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: he's out there, right or he's limited or whatever else, right,

525
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: I mean there has to be and I guess Ralph

526
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Speaker 1: in tapping into your expertise here, Okay, when you say

527
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: there has to be a level of concern, I guess,

528
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: first off, are you are you basing that just on

529
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: past precedent of example.

530
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, dealing with dealing with these injuries forever.

531
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Speaker 4: We always have butterflies in.

532
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 5: Our stomach when we put an athlete back into play

533
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 5: with soft tissue injuries, just because, as I said before,

534
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 5: there's no indicator light, so we don't know truly what

535
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 5: that soft tissue is thinking, doing, how it's going to

536
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 5: respond near a lot to play, all those things, so

537
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 5: it becomes a challenge.

538
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: And with that and by the way, Ralph, Ralph Reef

539
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: is our guest, he's on the Java House Peel and

540
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: poor guest Line Reef Executive Performance Solutions of course, longtime

541
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: athletic trainer. And to be clear for those that because

542
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: Ralph you are obviously somebody who has been involved with

543
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: and been around the sports scene on all levels for

544
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: a long time, you don't specifically work with Kenny Moore.

545
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that people do know that.

546
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: I mean to protect you there, but you have you know,

547
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: more expertise in precedent, like I said, than really anybody

548
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: in town typically speaking with an Achilles, when you said that,

549
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: there's no like caution light there when you see that

550
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: he didn't practice, and that that would mean that there's

551
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: a reason for that in some way, even if it

552
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: is the most precautionary of things. Does that seem to

553
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: you to be atypical? In other words, if he had

554
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: played on Sunday typically, would that mean that he is

555
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: then cleared and good to go? And that's why this

556
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: seems unusual.

557
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 4: Well, let me unpack that a little bit.

558
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 5: Obviously he played, he played well. I don't know how

559
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 5: many minutes he played, or or opportunities on plays where

560
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 5: you know how many reps? Again going back to that,

561
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 5: how many reps he had? But now you go, you know,

562
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 5: and you have Monday off, you have Tuesday off, you

563
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 5: take Wednesday off.

564
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 4: I see that again.

565
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 5: I think there might have been some very upfront with

566
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 5: the physicians therebody to negotiate and say, hey, going forward,

567
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 5: Kenny's a veteran, he knows what's going on.

568
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 4: We have great.

569
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 5: Confidence in him. He doesn't need to be out there

570
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 5: on Wednesday. That's one way of looking at that, and

571
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 5: just saying from the standpoint of the history of soft

572
00:28:53,800 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 5: tissue injuries across time, when my whole career of dealing

573
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 5: with athletes, I was.

574
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 4: Begging coaches at times to give guys less reps.

575
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 5: And sometimes we got it done, sometimes we didn't. And

576
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 5: there's all kinds of factors that go into that age experience.

577
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 5: You know, you need numbers for a practice, all those

578
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 5: kinds of things, and so this just my my gut

579
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 5: tells me that this was partially negotiated, pre planned day

580
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 5: off as well as HM, maybe it just doesn't feel

581
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 5: perfect to Kenny.

582
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: Raph Ralph Reef is our guest. Let's go to the hamstring,

583
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, TJ McConnell, for example, with a hamstring injury. Right,

584
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: I assume basically what we're talking about with hamstring is

585
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: kind of the same sort of conversation is growing just

586
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: like more on the backside. Is that a fair way

587
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: of saying it.

588
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, There's there's three big muscles. There's only three

589
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 5: muscles in the hamstring, and the one that if you

590
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 5: are standing up or you're sitting in a chair and

591
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 5: you put your hand under the back of your leg

592
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 5: and you pull your heel back towards the chair.

593
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 4: The muscle you're going to.

594
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 5: Feel is the biceps muscle, the biceps femmerist. That's the

595
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 5: big bulky does ninety two percent of the work of

596
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 5: flexing the knee, of stabilizing the pelvis when you go

597
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 5: from a squatted position up, so when you accelerate that

598
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 5: biceps femerists that is a big, important muscle that really

599
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 5: has to work on its own. The two other muscles

600
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 5: are there sort of riding shotgun but not doing much.

601
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Speaker 1: So they're me the other two. Right, That's what we're

602
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: gett out of here, Right, that's me and Eddie. We're

603
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: waiting for the big one to show up. That's the

604
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: problem here, right, Ralph, you're.

605
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 3: The big one.

606
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 1: Actually, Eddie and I are just the two shotgun riders.

607
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: Right.

608
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Speaker 1: Is there a whether it be? You know, it's interesting

609
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: because hamstring and growing up the two injuries we hear

610
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: the most just about typically in sport, and I was

611
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: curious of this what injury the injuries that we hear

612
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: a lot about, what is the one from a training

613
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: standpoint that can come with the largest variety of ways

614
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: in which it could have happened. In other words, is

615
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: there an injury that you look at it and you go,

616
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: you tell me where what this guy's injury is, and

617
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: then give me the game tape, and I'm going to

618
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: be able to immediately say, Yep, it's right there, because

619
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: that movement right there is ninety five percent of the time.

620
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: What causes it? What is the injury that has the

621
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: widest variety where you look, It would be impossible for

622
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: me to know which play this happened because it can

623
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: happen from so many different areas.

624
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to immediately jump to anterior knee pain.

625
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 5: Pain on the front of the knee.

626
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 4: It can happen so many different ways.

627
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 5: It can be residual from an anti cruise ligament repair,

628
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 5: surgical repair, and six months after the repair, you still

629
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 5: got this lingering antior knee pain. Yet we know where

630
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 5: it's coming from. He had he or she had surgery,

631
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 5: But did it really come from that or did it

632
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 5: come from a weakness in the quadrucep did it come

633
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 5: from weakness in the hamstrings, the calf, and so anterior

634
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 5: knee pain is a mystery, and so we really take

635
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 5: a lot of time to ask a lot of questions.

636
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 5: When somebody gets ANTIERR knee paint runners running down the Monon,

637
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 5: and I've said this before, all of a sudden they're

638
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 5: running down the Monon. Everything's been fine, and then we

639
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 5: had big wins the last couple of days. So there

640
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 5: might be a branch on the Monon trail and somebody

641
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 5: just sort of takes a longer stride and jumps over it,

642
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 5: and then three days later their anti your knee is

643
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 5: painful going up and downstairsteps getting out of a car.

644
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 5: So you got to trace that back. Was it truly

645
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 5: from that of a longer stride?

646
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 4: And we say, yep, that's what.

647
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 5: Caused it, Well, why did it happen?

648
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 4: And anti knee pain? And then we do all kinds

649
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 4: of things.

650
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 5: Might do injections of cortizone, you do anti inflammatory medicines,

651
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 5: you do PRP injections, and none of that helps, and

652
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 5: you get this yoyo effect. It helps for a day

653
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 5: or two and then oh that discomforts back again. And

654
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 5: so anti knee pain is the one that really I'd

655
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 5: run as far away from that as I can in

656
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Speaker 5: dealing with athletic injuries, stop really tough.

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Speaker 1: When I was a kid who played basketball, everybody, I

658
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Speaker 1: mean everybody I was in eighth grade, everybody one of

659
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: the Converse weapons. Everybody wore high top basketball shoes. Yea,

660
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: our Jordan's all of it. Right. You don't see that,

661
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: really you? I mean I look at NBA games and

662
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: virtually everyone is wearing you know, low top as we

663
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Speaker 1: call them shoes. I'm not saying I have no idea

664
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Speaker 1: there are more ankle injuries today than there used to be.

665
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: Sprained ankles, rolled ankles in the NBA. Was that a myth?

666
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Speaker 1: I mean that in my mind, I was like, I

667
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Speaker 1: have high top shoes, so therefore I'm never going to

668
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Speaker 1: sprain my ankle. Now I did, granted, but is the

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Speaker 1: ankle protected by high tops or is that a fashion deal?

670
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Speaker 5: So it's not proven to be effective by research. So

671
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 5: let's go back in time. So, as you mentioned you

672
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 5: know about motorsports. Eventually, what people learn in IndyCar, it

673
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 5: transitions eventually to the streetcar, right, the automobile you and

674
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 5: I buy. Same thing happens in sports medicine. So in

675
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 5: the fifties, the sixties, the seventies, high top shoes, whether

676
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 5: it's pony or Converse or or Adidas high top shoes

677
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 5: were the limited manner in which some support could be

678
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 5: provided to the ankle. There weren't a lot of people

679
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 5: taping ankles. Cloth wraps was a technique that was used,

680
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 5: but you needed somebody else around to do that for you, right,

681
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 5: And then ankle braces.

682
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 4: Really weren't coming to any kind.

683
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 5: Of excellent level until the late eighties, and so that

684
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 5: wasn't very long ago, right, So those of us who've

685
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 5: been around a little bit and put shoes on in

686
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 5: the sixties, seventies and eighties, high top shoes was a

687
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 5: pretty good idea for intermural basketball and so forth. Well,

688
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 5: today we know that through research that the collar heights

689
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 5: of the shoe, you know, and there's midcuts, there's low cuts, midcuts,

690
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 5: high cuts, and so that collar height really does not

691
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 5: it's not a reliable preventative measure.

692
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 4: And so that's why I wouldn't call it a myth.

693
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 5: It was absolutely the best thing we could do when

694
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 5: that's all we knew.

695
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: But now, like you said, I mean, now guys are

696
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: going out and you know, you see Aaron Neesmith wearing

697
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: his low cut shoes, he's got ankle tape and all

698
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff supporting his ankle underneath his socks. Right,

699
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: I mean fair to.

700
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 5: Say well, and I would almost guarantee that Aaron Nesmith

701
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 5: and just pick four hundred and fifty other NBA players

702
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 5: behind the scenes that you don't see. They're barefooted doing

703
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 5: single leg balance movements. They're getting on balance items too

704
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 5: that are unstable. That they're working their lateral and medial

705
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 5: in front and back motion in a very controlled environment

706
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 5: to work the neurologic components of that. These are all

707
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 5: things we've learned over time, Jake that if I were

708
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 5: to tell your audience, hey, what's one thing I can

709
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 5: do for my eleven year old daughter who's playing basketball

710
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 5: in middle school, I would say, have them stand single leg,

711
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 5: barefooted on carpet and hold that balance as long as

712
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 5: they can and then switch to the other leg.

713
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: Flamingo spend thirty minutes today being a flamingo.

714
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 5: Right, It does not take thirty minutes balance balances. You

715
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 5: can activate it pretty quickly. You spend a thirty seconds

716
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 5: single leg stance and then you go.

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00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 4: Up on your to There's all. So my point is

718
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 4: we now have exercises, we know what can be done.

719
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 5: So when you talk about the NBA player, the collegiate players,

720
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 5: our strength coaches at Butler, along with our athletic training staff,

721
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 5: we spent a lot of time throughout the year working

722
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 5: on ankle mobility, big toe strength and mobility, all to

723
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 5: prevent ankle sprains.

724
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: Ralph, the fair assumption. One thing that we know in

725
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: sport there are always going to be other injuries that

726
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: pop up, and therefore I would love to have you

727
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: back on the program perhaps next week to go over

728
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: those as well, and also just to let everybody know

729
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna wear my Adida's top ten high tops

730
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: now simply for fashionable purpose, right, But we appreciate the

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00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: time as always, Ralph.

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Speaker 4: What else is my pleasure? Jake? Thank you? All right?

733
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Speaker 1: Ralphrief joining us again Java House, Peel and Port guest line.

734
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: Matt Taylor as the voice of the Colts, joins us

735
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: on the Java House Peel and Poor guest line. Colts

736
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: and Titans coming up for twenty five. Keep in mind

737
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: later kick on Sunday from Lucas Oil Stadium. Matt, let's

738
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Speaker 1: get right to this. I thought yesterday and we had

739
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: ralphriefon earlier. We were talking about interesting that Kenny Moore

740
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: did not practice yesterday with that achilles injury that he's

741
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: been dealing with. Where do things stand just in terms

742
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: of who still we think may be of question on

743
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: Sunday and who is now definitely a go.

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00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely watching Kenny Moore, that's a big one. Samson

745
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: Abacom sounds like he's going to be week to week

746
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 3: And I don't know what that means for Sunday, but

747
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: you know, you you put the week, the week in

748
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: front of his injury, it probably doesn't look good for

749
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: the first week. I think that's probably a you know,

750
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: a safe assumption, but we'll see. Taekwon Lewis probably gut

751
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: wise has more of a chance to play on Sunday

752
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: from the defensive end. He's listed as day to day.

753
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: Great signing. That are great signing. I should say that

754
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 3: Ashton Dulan was back to practice, Josh Downs was back.

755
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: There has been back to practice this week, but he

756
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 3: still hasn't one hundred percent been cleared. But the fact

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00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: that he's you know, taking these steps this week and

758
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: is practicing, you know, especially late in the week here

759
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: on Thursday, that's that's a good sign. But we'll see

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Speaker 3: where that stands. But yeah, definitely, Uh, I think Kenny

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Speaker 3: Moore is probably one of the bigger ones and Sampson

762
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Speaker 3: evercom uh based on the severity of that injury. Hopefully

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Speaker 3: it's not too long. But with him on Sunday, it's

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Speaker 3: it's probably not looking good.

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Speaker 1: Did kennymore practice today?

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Speaker 3: Uh, well, we don't know yet. We don't know yet.

767
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: The the injury report hasn't come out yet, so we're

768
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 3: only out there the media, that is, we're only out

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00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: there for a handful of minutes, you know, watching stretching

770
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Speaker 3: in the early parts of the team drills or a

771
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: individual period. But you know, we'll see where he is.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully he's got at least a limited participation on him,

773
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: hopefully more than that. But you know, it's kind of funny, Jake.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he played a ton of snaps last week

775
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 3: and he had a season high eight tackles and he's

776
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Speaker 3: coming off an achilles injury. I mean, just that word

777
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: is just so I mean, it sends a lot of

778
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: shivers down people's spine, you know, just because we're so

779
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: triggered with with high profile injuries in this market. Getting

780
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 3: the achilles injury, so I wouldn't be surprised if they

781
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Speaker 3: kind of take this approach the rest of the year

782
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Speaker 3: based on the severity and just a type of injury

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Speaker 3: that it is.

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Speaker 1: Matt Taylor's our guests, he's the voice of the Colts.

785
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: He's on the Java house peeling poor guest line, Matt,

786
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: the you know when you're you're talking about, for example,

787
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: Josh downs in the protocol, and I want to make

788
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: sure I'm I'm clear on my understanding here. When a

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Speaker 1: player goes into concussion protocol, one of the things that

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Speaker 1: is of note, and you tell me if I if

791
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: I misunderstood this, it is an independent neurologist that then

792
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: ultimately has the final saying clears the player. In other words,

793
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: there is no chance that the team itself would try

794
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: to accelerate a guy back. Do I have that correct?

795
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: That is correct. That that's the last phase in the process,

797
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 3: and it usually doesn't happen until you know, Friday or

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00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 3: Saturday before a game, just because they want that independent

799
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: neurologist that you know, that that works for the league,

800
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: that has you know, no no dog in the fight,

801
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 3: you know, completely objective. You either can or you can't

802
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: play based on what we see in your reaction times

803
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 3: and uh, you know the focused level that you have

804
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 3: that way, you know that the teams aren't being guilty

805
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: of rushing a guy back, and there's no you know,

806
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: for lack of a better term, there's no you know,

807
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 3: responsibility on the team for rushing a guy back because

808
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: it's not their decision. Anyways, Matt, I.

809
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: Was saying earlier, and this is going to sound crazy,

810
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: I realized, but I was saying earlier that I almost

811
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: feel like this game might be the biggest coaching challenge

812
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: so far of the year for Shane Steiken. And what

813
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: I mean by that is there's nothing about Tennessee that

814
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: jumps out at you. You know, they're a regrouping team,

815
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: they have a young quarterback, you know, a rookie quarterback

816
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: that is feeling his way. They've made a coaching change,

817
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: and so just trying to keep guys focused and get

818
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: them engaged with the task at hand, I would think

819
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: would be a challenge. Now, with that said, and I

820
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: know they're pros, I get it right, But with that said,

821
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: do you see any sort of variation to the way

822
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: Shane Steiken has approached or tried to keeping guys his

823
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: guys for this particular week invested, No, I haven't.

824
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Speaker 3: I mean it's a good question. I mean it's human nature.

825
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just it. I mean, we're all we're

826
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 3: all just so conditioned to feel good about ourselves when

827
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: things are going well and to have just a natural,

828
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 3: you know, pat on the back, especially when you have

829
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: a huge win. I thought that was a statement win.

830
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 3: I thought that was a signature win. You know, most

831
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: people don't believe in those, or some don't believe in those,

832
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: but I mean you go on the road and you'd

833
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: beat a pretty good Chargers team. They're four and two,

834
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 3: and it was an upper echelon quarterback too. That's what

835
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: it was. I mean, you be the guy like Justin

836
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: Herbert at his place and you go, you know, sort

837
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: of toe to toe with him offensively, scoring points, and

838
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: then you win by fourteen and the game really wasn't

839
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: even that close. You just, you know, naturally, you're feeling

840
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 3: good about yourself and to take you know, what you're

841
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: saying maybe a step further sounds like the Titans aren't

842
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: gonna have well, I know they're not gonna have With

843
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: Jerrus Snead, he was placed on IR sounds like they

844
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 3: there's a decent chance of them not having Jeffrey Simmons,

845
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: who's their best player on defense, So that that would

846
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: you would think, add even more to the you know,

847
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 3: possible complacency issue for the Colts. But no, I don't

848
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: think they're seeing any of that. And I think that's

849
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 3: the responsibility of the head coach to continue to game plan,

850
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 3: just continue to go about your processes. You know, this

851
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: is what we do on Tuesday, this is what we

852
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 3: this is how we attack Wednesday, Thursday and Friday and

853
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: so on and so so so long and so so forth,

854
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: I should say, And I think it's hard to get

855
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: out of that routine when you're just so conditioned. Uh,

856
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 3: you know when when every game in this this league

857
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 3: comes down to the last four minutes, you know, you

858
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: don't take anything lightly. And I think the guys have

859
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: the same mindset and approach this week as they did Heck,

860
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: you know three weeks ago and they're getting ready to

861
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: take on you know, the Broncos or you know the Rams,

862
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 3: or you know, whatever the case is. I think the

863
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: guys have the same focus and there's they're just as

864
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 3: dialed in now despite a one in sixteen. That's down

865
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 3: some key players, and I think that's a testament to

866
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 3: the leadership they have in the locker room and their

867
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: professionalism that they bring with them every day.

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Speaker 1: Matt, I think the world of Justin Herbert, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just think he's I really like his skill set.

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Speaker 1: But the reality is this, he had a porous offensive

871
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: line in front of him that was literally at the

872
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Speaker 1: bottom of its own depth with the attrition that the

873
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: Chargers have had, and yet the Colts didn't and they

874
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Speaker 1: did do a good job at times of getting to him.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to pretend like they didn't at all,

876
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Speaker 1: but ye, but even still, it felt like that was

877
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Speaker 1: the ultimate Littnus test, and it again illuminated the Colts

878
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Speaker 1: necessity to address pass rush before you start getting into it,

879
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Speaker 1: in particular the postseason, when that becomes so important. Do

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Speaker 1: you agree with that.

881
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it is what it is right now.

882
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Speaker 3: I mean, you're right. I mean, you look at the numbers.

883
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: It's a high volume defense right now, but the point

884
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: total is pretty good and at the end of the day,

885
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 3: you know, points allowed is really what it's all about.

886
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 3: But you know, to your point, you know, I agree

887
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 3: with you. You can't ignore eight hundred and forty five

888
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 3: yards allowed in the last two games combined. You can't

889
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 3: ignore seven hundred and forty passing yards allowed in the

890
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: last two games combined. You can't ignore the fact that

891
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: you got three sacks last week, but they didn't come

892
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: until the fourth quarter. So you know, you look at

893
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: the pass rush numbers, the sacks and the pressures, they're

894
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 3: they're very respectable league wide. But if you go back

895
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 3: and you watch the games, I think that's what you're

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Speaker 3: alluding to.

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Speaker 4: It's like you.

898
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Speaker 3: Want to see more, you want to see more consistency,

899
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Speaker 3: you want to see it show up in other parts

900
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: of the game. And I think without Tarvarius war in

901
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: the back end, and you know, you're playing with guys

902
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Speaker 3: like Jonathan Edwards and Makai Blackman, who you give them

903
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: a ton of respect over, you know, just their roles.

904
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Speaker 3: But you know, everybody knows these guys really weren't on

905
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Speaker 3: the radar at the beginning of training camp, especially Blackman

906
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 3: because he wasn't here, right they traded for him, uh,

907
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: you know, right at the end of the preseason because

908
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: they need a depth. But these guys are battling and

909
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: they're scratching and Klawn and again you got to give

910
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 3: him a lot of respect. But you know, until Ward

911
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 3: comes back, you know, the secondary is going to be

912
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Speaker 3: you know, kind of just got to you got to

913
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Speaker 3: make it work. And lou Ana Rumo's doing a good

914
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 3: job of, you know, throwing the kitchen sink at these

915
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: at these offenses, you know, trying to gain some sort

916
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: of advantage. Kenny Moore coming back last week was really important.

917
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: But you know that's I think what this defense is

918
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 3: going to be now until they get some stability, you know,

919
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Speaker 3: and also too, you know, hopefully one of these guys

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00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: up front like a lot to or you know, hopefully

921
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Speaker 3: when Ebcom comes back, or maybe it's Taekwon Lewis, if

922
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Speaker 3: he gets more run, one of these guys hopefully can

923
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Speaker 3: turn into just like a stud, you know, like a

924
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: guy that's at the end of the year going to

925
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: be flirting with twelve to fifteen sacks. I don't know,

926
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Speaker 3: we'll see, but until then, I think the defense is

927
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Speaker 3: going to be just sort of a game changing, clutch

928
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 3: playmaking defense right where they maybe they give up yards

929
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: and they give up points.

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00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: You know, I get the fact, and you know this,

931
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Speaker 1: I mean checking an egg theory, you can we can

932
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: we consider and discuss till the cows come home whether

933
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Speaker 1: or not pass rush, you know, leads to good defensive

934
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Speaker 1: coverage play, or if a good defensive backfield then you know,

935
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Speaker 1: necessitates for or less time you need for a pass rush,

936
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Speaker 1: et cetera. The reality is this, when the Colts were

937
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: in their heyday, offensively speaking, Bill Pollion said, look, I'm

938
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Speaker 1: going to get two bookends and Matthison Freeney that are

939
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: going to go after the quarterback because I know teams

940
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: are gonna have to throw against us for the last

941
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Speaker 1: two and a half quarters of a game because we're

942
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Speaker 1: going to get out to leads with Peyton Manning and

943
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Speaker 1: people are going to be playing from behind. And this offense,

944
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: the way it's playing, historically speaking, doing things with efficiency

945
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Speaker 1: that not even those offenses did, only further shows the

946
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: necessity to be able to take advantage of the fact

947
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Speaker 1: that teams are going to be throwing against them. But

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Speaker 1: we'll see if that happens. Coming up on Sunday with

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Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans. Matt will be on the call again

950
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Speaker 1: for twenty five kick. You can hear it on ninety

951
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Speaker 1: seven point one our sister station, Hank FM. Matt, appreciate

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Speaker 1: the time as always, man and enjoy this weekend, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, all right, appreciate you guys. Have a good week

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Speaker 3: coming up, all right.

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Speaker 1: Matt Taylor, the Voice of the Colts, joining us on

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Speaker 1: the Java House Peel and poor guest line