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Speaker 1: share several techniques to respond to current news events and

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Speaker 1: for Doctor Nichols, author and Bibewa in Shanghai will preview

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Speaker 1: his new book twenty forty eight. Momentarily, Baltimore activist dave

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Speaker 1: On Love will join us. But first let's get Kevin

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, Carl Nelson, I'm bringing the flame with me

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Speaker 2: for the for the full Nelson.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have the full Nelson doors.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna need it as chilly as it is outside, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, you know the You know what a full

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Speaker 2: Nelson is, right in wrestling or in martial arts, right,

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Speaker 2: So that's what I'm doing there.

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Speaker 3: The weather is like that, it's got us in a

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Speaker 2: Man, it was ten degrees this morning, and uh as

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Speaker 2: their weather forecast predicts that. You know, there's still a

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Speaker 2: Just realize you got to wrap up man. Uh as

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Speaker 2: Additional cold weather advisories are likely each night through at

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Speaker 2: full I like the full Nelson analogy. Anyway, afternoons will

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Speaker 3: Where you are and what were you saying about?

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Speaker 1: What did you see on the feel like? You know,

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Speaker 1: I remember the nature of the surprise will Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well it's not bad. It's gonna be colder in New

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Speaker 2: You know that, even though we know it's possible, that

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Speaker 1: How do you dress for that? You know when you

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Speaker 2: They are man's it's passion keeping them warm. Man, You

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Speaker 1: Right before we go to the boycott though, one more

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Speaker 1: The only problem with these one day boycotts Kevin, Yes

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Speaker 1: Right, it's gone, or you missed it and need to

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Speaker 2: Well, we're helping spread the word. Okay, you know it's

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Speaker 2: That's why the affirmation here is we're still learning.

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Speaker 3: That's what I did there. Hey, look another news.

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Speaker 1: You think it could be? But at some point, you know,

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Speaker 2: This is right, right, When you upgrade your life, you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess Mike hasn't. His policies hasn't affected

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Speaker 1: So you know, maybe you you don't want to burn

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Speaker 2: Time, the time traveling president back to the future. You

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Speaker 5: Hey, thanks having me on.

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Speaker 1: Oh Man, Yes, because you've been you've been in the

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Speaker 6: black youth as engaged in rational decisions to carry fires

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Speaker 6: to protect themselves, that they're seen as criminal because of

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Speaker 6: those societal statements.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me jump in twenty eight after the top

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Speaker 1: there with daveon Love. Davion is from the group of

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Speaker 1: leaders of a beautiful struggle. Dave, So what do they

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Speaker 1: say about white youngsters carry guns? Do they carry what

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Speaker 1: are they carrying for? For sport? Show off? They carry

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Speaker 1: guns for differently than our young people.

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Speaker 6: Well, and and one important structural dynamic in our community

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Speaker 6: is that, you know, white folks can expect law enforce

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Speaker 6: I mean, I guess that you know these days against

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Speaker 6: a little bit more question, but white folks have a

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Speaker 6: have generally a greater expectation that law enforcement will attempt to.

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Speaker 5: Keep them safe.

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Speaker 6: Right, we know the history that our community has a

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Speaker 6: law enforcement you know, whether it's the their collaboration with

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Speaker 6: co Intel pro whether that's the you know the history

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Speaker 6: of rampant police brutality. Right, white folks don't have you

456
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Speaker 6: know that history that we do with law enforcement. So

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Speaker 6: white folks can reasonably expect law enforcement to address themselves

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Speaker 6: to their faiety, whereas for our community, you know, it's

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Speaker 6: the common joke. Whereas some of our you know, we

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Speaker 6: call police, they may show up an hour later, right there,

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Speaker 6: don't show up on time. If they show up, it's

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Speaker 6: a question of like whether we get treated lie suspects

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Speaker 6: as opposed to the person kind of calling because we

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Speaker 6: have a concern, and so so if we don't have

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Speaker 6: that kind of protection, right, then people will take that

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Speaker 6: responsibility into their own hands, right, And so I would

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Speaker 6: say that's the kind of major extinction. Where again, like

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Speaker 6: white you know, white folks have law enforcement.

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Speaker 7: We don't.

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Speaker 6: And so it often puts our young people, our community

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Speaker 6: in general, and our young people, for the purposes of

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Speaker 6: this conversation, in a position where if they want safety

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Speaker 6: that's not gonna come from police, they have to bring it.

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Speaker 6: They have to bring that themselves, right. And that's one

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Speaker 6: of those things that unfortunately doesn't occur to many of

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Speaker 6: the judges and prosecutors, again given their socialization and this propaganda.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I guess they had a reality checkup a

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Speaker 1: few days ago, right, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: That's why it's kind of you know, now now it's

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Speaker 6: kind of a more open question, you know, But but yeah,

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Speaker 6: I think I think that's the My hope is that

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Speaker 6: people understand that these societal notions that, you know, because

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Speaker 6: I think sometimes people don't connect how these stigmas impact

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Speaker 6: how policy is implemented, right, you know, through through the

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Speaker 6: entire process. And you know, if if you are believed

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Speaker 6: to be inherently a force of negativity and disruption because

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Speaker 6: you're black, or in the case of what happened in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 6: because you're trying to push back against fascism, right, in

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Speaker 6: both cases, these are stigmas that justify the use of force.

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Speaker 6: It's just that when it comes to black people, the

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Speaker 6: threshold for the justification of the use of violence against

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Speaker 6: us as way way lower than what it is for

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Speaker 6: our white counterparts.

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Speaker 1: All right. Twenty nine away from the top of that

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Speaker 1: with Davon Love. Davon's from the group called Leaders of

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Speaker 1: a Beautiful Struggling in Baltimore, and one of the issues

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Speaker 1: they're taking on these days is changing the Maryland juvenile

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Speaker 1: justice system. Too many of our young people are caught

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Speaker 1: up in and he says eighty percent of those are

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Speaker 1: our children, our youngsters. The question I have for you

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Speaker 1: the people, the administrators who run the juvenile justice system,

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Speaker 1: many of them look like us as well. Do they

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Speaker 1: parrot what their white counterparts do, and you know, giving

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Speaker 1: harsher sentences to our young people, sending them to the

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Speaker 1: adult penitentiary instead of keeping them in the juvenile justice system,

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Speaker 1: or even get just looking at them and said, you know,

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Speaker 1: this probably made a mistake, probably with the wrong crowd,

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Speaker 1: or they just are they in the same frame of

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Speaker 1: mind and reference as their white counterparts and doing their jobs.

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Speaker 1: How do you say it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, I would I would

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Speaker 6: say is generally mixed. I think part of the you know,

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Speaker 6: and I've talked about this on your show before, you

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Speaker 6: know Sinclair Broadcasting, which is owned by you know, the

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Speaker 6: EXECUTI chairman, David Smith, that the right wing agenda that

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Speaker 6: emerges there. I think just that's so much harm in

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Speaker 6: shaping the way that people in Baltimore, and I think

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Speaker 6: unfortunately some of our own people think about our young people,

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Speaker 6: you know, as inherently pronent criminality. And part of the

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Speaker 6: way that that shows up and we think about in

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Speaker 6: the lasts election for states attorney where Ivan Bates defeated

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Speaker 6: Maryland Moseby, who Maryly Mosby when she was in office,

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Speaker 6: was helpful to the work that LBS does as it

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Speaker 6: relates to push it back against the criminal and juvenile

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Speaker 6: justice system. You know, she she, you know, overwhelmingly was

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Speaker 6: someone who would be supportive, would testify and support and

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Speaker 6: submit written testimony and support you know, the kinds of

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Speaker 6: issues that you know, we're talking about this morning of

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Speaker 6: the work that ALBS is doing now with having Bates

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Speaker 6: who was elected on a kind of you know, tough

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Speaker 6: on crime, so called tough on crime mandate. You know

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Speaker 6: a lot of the financial and political support he received

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Speaker 6: are from you know, elements of the corporate sector who

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Speaker 6: want harsher penalties, that want a more strict criminal juvenile

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Speaker 6: justice system. Because these are you know, gave about Sinclair

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Speaker 6: and the folks that are approximate to they're wealthy, white

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Speaker 6: corporate business people who see Baltimore as a place of

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Speaker 6: financial opportunity to see black people as being in the

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Speaker 6: way of them being able to maximize their business opportunities,

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Speaker 6: and so, you know, so they put significant pressure and

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Speaker 6: many of them were the ones that you know, financed

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Speaker 6: and supported Ivan Bates's election, and so what we see

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Speaker 6: from him, particularly on this issue. You know, he has

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Speaker 6: come out pretty strongly in support of maintaining this policy

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Speaker 6: of not automatically charging as adults. And one of the

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Speaker 6: things that I've said to him, and I've said to

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Speaker 6: other people, is that because one of the things they

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Speaker 6: often say is that they are concerned about the victims

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Speaker 6: of crime, that you know, people like myself spend so

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Speaker 6: much time dealing with the quote unquote suspects and not

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Speaker 6: those are the victims of crime. And one of the

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Speaker 6: things that I say to them, you know, I have

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Speaker 6: to say debate, you know, stats Attorney Bates and to others,

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Speaker 6: is that those children who are in the adult prison

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Speaker 6: system are just as much victims as a person that's

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Speaker 6: carjacked or rob right, They're both victims. They're both are

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Speaker 6: subjects to violence that will cause trauma, you know, in

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Speaker 6: their lives, and it should be equally important. But even

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Speaker 6: you know, I would argue that I've inbates position on

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Speaker 6: this issue to maintain the practice of automatically charging to

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Speaker 6: the adults. It is based in a recognition that there

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Speaker 6: are elements within our own community. So we already have

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Speaker 6: you know, as I mentioned before, the white business elite

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Speaker 6: that want to propagate this image of inherent criminality so

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Speaker 6: that they can justify harsher penalties and do more business.

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Speaker 6: But there are even elements of our own community right

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Speaker 6: that are susceptible to those media representations that are supporters

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Speaker 6: of the kinds of policies like maintaining the automatic charging

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Speaker 6: these adults, and I've inbated it is a convenient tool

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Speaker 6: right of the you know, Maryland State's Malaitan's Attorney's Association,

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Speaker 6: where the prosecutors again have a political interest in selling

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Speaker 6: the constituencies that they are trying to get to vote

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Speaker 6: for them. We was gonna lock up more of these.

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Speaker 1: Children twenty four away from the top there I would

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Speaker 1: come from a breakthiewd soon. Well, my question to you

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Speaker 1: is can you provide or do you know of any

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Speaker 1: way that these people who support what Bates is doing

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Speaker 1: and what he wanted to do, are they benefiting financially?

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Speaker 1: Do they have any interest financial interest in building some

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Speaker 1: of these structures to house these young people, or or

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Speaker 1: any other way, or they deserve them with the food

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Speaker 1: or or catering or clothing, or can you connect any

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Speaker 1: of those thoughts for us, Is that possible?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think most of it. Yeah, I

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Speaker 6: think there have been arguments generally about the criminal justice

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Speaker 6: system and the prison industrial complex and the monies that

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Speaker 6: you know, inst you shouldn't serve to make, and there

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Speaker 6: is certainly that. But I think the thing that I

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Speaker 6: think that is at least equally important is that, you know,

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Speaker 6: when you think about things like the movie Birth of

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Speaker 6: a Nation, or you think, you know, the motion picture

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Speaker 6: you know, nineteen fifteen Stream in a White House, the

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Speaker 6: general plot of it, where is black people being you know,

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Speaker 6: criminal in a threat to white womanhood, Or you know,

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Speaker 6: you think about the notion crack baby, a pop culture

596
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Speaker 6: term has no medical basis, but was used as a

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Speaker 6: as a trope to justify notions of inherent inferiority amongst

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Speaker 6: black people. You know, these are the kinds of things that,

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Speaker 6: you know, again, impact how people think about black people

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Speaker 6: and how this impacts our youth. And what ends up

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Speaker 6: happening is that in particularly some of those more suburban jurisdictions,

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Speaker 6: those populations resonate politically with stories and narratives where you know,

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Speaker 6: a prosecutor or an elected official will say, you know, oh,

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Speaker 6: you know, there are a few car jackets. We're going

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Speaker 6: to make stricter policies to ensure that these kids are

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Speaker 6: so called held accountable. And so what ends up happening

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Speaker 6: is selling that. And so what happens is that the

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Speaker 6: policies that get sold to those constituencies are about, you know,

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Speaker 6: tightening or stiffening penalties as opposed to ensuring that each

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Speaker 6: individual young person and their circumstances treated on a case

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Speaker 6: by case basis, so that young people who are otherwise

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Speaker 6: better serve outside of prison aren't subject to it.

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Speaker 1: And Davon hold up thought right there, We've got to

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Speaker 1: check the news. I'll let you finish your thought on

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Speaker 1: the other side. Twenty two minutes away from the top

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Speaker 1: day our family, you two can join our conversation with

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Speaker 1: Davon Love. Reach out to us at eight hundred four

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Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

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Speaker 1: your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for

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Speaker 1: starting your Thursday with us at fifteen minutes away from

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Speaker 1: the top of that with brother Davon. Loved Brother Davions

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Speaker 1: part of a group called Leaders a Beautiful Struggle, and

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Speaker 1: they take on different issues and One of the issues

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Speaker 1: they're discussing this morning is the juvenile justice system in Maryland.

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Speaker 1: Said man. Let me just shout out brother Jabbari from

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Speaker 1: Conscious Heads Barbershopping. He says he's been out there shoveling

627
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Speaker 1: snow and fadly if you got to do that, because

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Speaker 1: it's tiresome and it's and it can be you know,

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Speaker 1: and it can be working on you on your health

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Speaker 1: if you're out there in the cold weather. So please,

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Speaker 1: you know, butl up if you're doing it, Bundle up

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Speaker 1: if you're doing it, and please, you know, if you

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Speaker 1: can help somebody else who's uh driveway needs clearness, will

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Speaker 1: help them as well. So thank you brother Jabbarro for

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Speaker 1: reminders so that it's just got to bed doing all

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Speaker 1: that kind of work this morning. Later this morning, though,

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Speaker 1: we're going to join by industrial psychologist doctor Edwin Nichols,

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Speaker 1: and also we're going to be joined by brother m

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Speaker 1: Biba and Shanga. He's got a new book he wants

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Speaker 1: to talk about it. And tomorrow, of course it's Friday,

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Speaker 1: and we invite Hues to join us for another edition

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Speaker 1: of our open Phone Friday program. You know, our programs

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Speaker 1: here are always interactive you're not. You don't hear me

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00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: getting on a soap box and speaking for one and

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Speaker 1: two or three hours. Every time you hear a guest

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Speaker 1: down here, You've welcome to call in and tomorrow. We

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Speaker 1: want to hear from you, what's going on in your neighborhood,

648
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: what you think of some of the folks we talked to,

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00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: and maybe some of the stories that we missed. We

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Speaker 1: want to hear from you. You can reach us an

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight, seveny

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Speaker 1: six right here in Baltimore at six in the morning

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Speaker 1: on ten ten WLB and also in the DMV on

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen WL. All right, Davin, I'm to let you

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Speaker 1: finish your thoughts.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and so, just the point that was making to

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Speaker 6: your question about, you know, the incentive for you know,

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Speaker 6: the prosecutors and judges and our young people being tracked

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Speaker 6: into the system, is that, particularly prosecutors and judges that

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Speaker 6: are running for election, that because of those societal stigmas,

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Speaker 6: it's it's a political currency to say that I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: be harsher would be tougher, even if you're tracking a

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Speaker 6: bunch of people into the system, that would be as

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Speaker 6: served outside of the juvenile justice system. And that's what

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Speaker 6: we're dealing with. We're dealing with a situation where you know,

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Speaker 6: whether or not a young person's in the adult system

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Speaker 6: or the juvenile system them you know, they, you know,

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Speaker 6: in the situation we're talking about there being detained. It's

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Speaker 6: a question of where those young people start, and them

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Speaker 6: starting in the adult prison facility. The only reason why

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Speaker 6: a person would support that policy is if they were

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Speaker 6: indifferent to the trauma that it causes those young people.

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Speaker 6: But again, I think that indifference comes as a result

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Speaker 6: of those societal stigmas that those young people are inherently criminal,

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Speaker 6: and that as a result of that, that they deserve

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Speaker 6: to be in the you know, in the adult system.

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Speaker 6: And that's why a person likes States Attorney Ivan Bates

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Speaker 6: would would support leaving that practice intact.

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Speaker 1: Amara all right, twelve away from topic a tweet question

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Speaker 1: and tweeted reflecting on when we talked about the black

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Speaker 1: folks who in a position to make decisions when our

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Speaker 1: young people come before them if they're accused of doing

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Speaker 1: something they shouldn't be doing. And Tuia goes on and say,

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Speaker 1: why don't they care for our children? I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you can answer this question, Devon, but take a

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Speaker 1: shout at it. Treeta, says dave On. Why don't they

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Speaker 1: care for our children?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just think I think it's easier to you know,

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Speaker 6: I think about I mentioned a few moments ago the

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Speaker 6: notion crack baby, which you know, I read a medical

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Speaker 6: apartheid years ago when it came out around twenty eleven

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Speaker 6: where it details you know, it's assister named Harret Washington

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Speaker 6: was a medical journalist, and you know, she talked about

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Speaker 6: the fact that there's no such medical term as crack baby.

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Speaker 6: There's nothing about a child that is born to a

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Speaker 6: mother dependent on crack that is better or worse than

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Speaker 6: a kid, you know, born to a mother addicted to

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Speaker 6: alcohol other kinds of drugs. But there was a particular

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Speaker 6: pop culture tool, or or pop culture aspect of the

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Speaker 6: term crack baby, which is to the note a you know,

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Speaker 6: the a notion that you know, these kids are again

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Speaker 6: more apherently prone to criminality, that these young people are

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Speaker 6: you know, less human, and that that then would justify

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Speaker 6: a harsh, overly punitive approach to enforcing law enforcement and

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Speaker 6: other kinds of policies. And so I remember being a

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Speaker 6: kid and you know, cracking on each other, calling each

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Speaker 6: other cracked babies. Like those notions are things that we

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Speaker 6: then take on and then weponize against each other and

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Speaker 6: becomes again those kind of societal stigmas that are circulated

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Speaker 6: that justify these kinds of policies. I would say that

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Speaker 6: there's just so much conditioning, like so much societal propaganda

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Speaker 6: that conditions, you know, the general population to you know,

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Speaker 6: see black kids as you know, guilty until proven innocent,

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Speaker 6: you know, And because of that notion again, it makes

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Speaker 6: it so that judges and prosecutors are more likely to

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Speaker 6: decide that those jump people deserve harsh punishment as opposed

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Speaker 6: to the kind of support and intervention that our young

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Speaker 6: people need.

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Speaker 1: All right, ten away from the tap of Davon, what

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Speaker 1: can we do on this program? We like to talk

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Speaker 1: about solutions because we know what our problems are. But

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Speaker 1: we got to come up with some solutions. How can

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Speaker 1: we help you? Because you mentioned earlier that eighty five

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Speaker 1: percent of the young people charge as adults and going

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Speaker 1: to the adults institution or our children, and once they're

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Speaker 1: getting those institutions, they become institutionalized. If they weren't criminals

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Speaker 1: before had leaning to become a criminalize it. It's like

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Speaker 1: going to grad school for some of them. How can

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Speaker 1: we keep them out of there? What do we need

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Speaker 1: to do?

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Speaker 5: Davon, Well, so this is a policy.

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Speaker 6: The changing this policy is something that's been on the

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Speaker 6: table for you know, fifteen years, without you know, very

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Speaker 6: much success. I'm grateful to say that. You know, there

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Speaker 6: have been some changes in our state legislature and leadership,

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Speaker 6: particularly with the new speakers oustin Penia Melnik, and some

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Speaker 6: shifts that she's made to major committees in the in

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Speaker 6: the House of Delegates in Maryland, and so you know,

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Speaker 6: we actually are in a position where the chairs of

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Speaker 6: both Senate and the House to this year at committees

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Speaker 6: in are in the Maryland state capital are both chaired

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Speaker 6: by black folks, and this year they are the sponsors.

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Speaker 1: I hope we have a lost Davon sounds sounded like

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Speaker 1: it's line dropped, Kevin. Can you see if you can

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Speaker 1: get him back for us? Nine minutes away from the

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Speaker 1: top of I guess it's da Davon Love. Davon is

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Speaker 1: part of a group called Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle,

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Speaker 1: and they take on different issues in the state of Maryland,

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Speaker 1: and weren't. Now they're looking at the juvenile justice system

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Speaker 1: and and you know, the punishment that's given to our children,

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Speaker 1: our young youngsters is it seems like it's one sided.

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned, eighty percent of all the youngsters involved

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Speaker 1: in the gymeralized just system caught up in that system

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Speaker 1: or our children, our people. And some people say, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's not my child, it's somebody else's child. It's your child.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're up because that's why we say we're

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Speaker 1: a family. We're still a family. It may not be

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Speaker 1: a blood job, but it is your child. So Davin,

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Speaker 1: we got you back. So I'll let you finish your thought.

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Speaker 6: Yep, and so quickly the and so those two chairs

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Speaker 6: of those committees are black, and they're both the sponsors

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Speaker 6: of the bill that would seek to bring us a

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Speaker 6: lot closer to ending this practice.

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Speaker 9: And so.

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Speaker 6: LBS Baltimore, if you go to our website, sign up

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Speaker 6: for our listser or on our social media, we actually

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00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 6: put out action alerts where people will be able to

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Speaker 6: call their legislators, you know, to you know, press them

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Speaker 6: to support the move to end this policy. So I

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Speaker 6: actually feel pretty confident that we're going to make some

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Speaker 6: headway during this Maryland General Assembly. They go from January

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Speaker 6: to April to go a long way ending this practice.

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Speaker 6: And so if you sign up to be on our

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Speaker 6: lists Serve, then you'll get at those action alerts where

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00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 6: we give you the you know, you don't have to

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Speaker 6: come up with an original email, We give you the language,

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Speaker 6: we tell you the contact information the legislators. It provides

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Speaker 6: you the opportunity to make those emails and make those calls.

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Speaker 6: And I know for some people that sound small, but

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Speaker 6: it goes a law, it goes a very long way.

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Speaker 6: I mean, when I'm in Annapolis, you know, legislators get

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Speaker 6: a whole bunch of emails. People will pull me aside,

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Speaker 6: Dave when I saw all these emails, man, which I

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Speaker 6: want right that, like the pressure is there, and so

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Speaker 6: really encourage people, you know, to sign up on our

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Speaker 6: list Serve and if you feel so inclined, you know

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Speaker 6: where we're not a nonproper ware LLC. And that allows

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Speaker 6: us to be independent and allows us to be able

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Speaker 6: to say the things that unfortunately other organizations that people

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Speaker 6: can't say. So if you want to be a sustainer,

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Speaker 6: you can also go on our website and sign up

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Speaker 6: to be a recurring contributor to our work so that

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Speaker 6: we can retain our independence, so that we can be

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Speaker 6: kind of militant revolutionary Pan Africanists in the legislative of

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Speaker 6: reading advocate unapologetically for our people.

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Speaker 1: All right, sticks away from the top, I would come

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Speaker 1: up on a break boak before we do that. My

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Speaker 1: question to you is what would you like to see?

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Speaker 1: How would you saying you want to stop it? What

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Speaker 1: you've got somehow, you've got to got to have another

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Speaker 1: action because some of these children have done wrong and

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Speaker 1: they need to be you know, called on about it.

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Speaker 1: So what would you like what sort of action would

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Speaker 1: you like to see done for these children who you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe made a misstep in life.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think in terms of in particular, like the

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Speaker 6: different circumstances that would bring young people into the system,

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Speaker 6: it's important that each individual situation is dealt with on

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Speaker 6: a case by case basis, because I think sometimes what

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Speaker 6: happens is that you know, we may hear or police

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Speaker 6: call a young person with a gun, and we don't

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Speaker 6: think about the range of the different things that might

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Speaker 6: have contributed to that young person, you know, carrying that

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Speaker 6: gun and so so I think a part of it

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Speaker 6: is like ensuring that each young person is dealt with

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Speaker 6: on a case by case basis, because some of those

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Speaker 6: situations we're talking about aren't necessarily young people, you know,

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Speaker 6: committee crimes against sometimes that they're in a car with

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Speaker 6: a friend of theirs has a gun, right, or if

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Speaker 6: they get into a fight, you know, because they you know,

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Speaker 6: something pops off or right. All of these things are

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Speaker 6: necessarily you know, indicators of you know, criminal intent. So

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Speaker 6: making sure that each case is treated individually, and then

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Speaker 6: for those cases that do require some intervention on the

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Speaker 6: front end, you know, it's important to invest more in

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Speaker 6: community based cristers organizations, you know, the organizations in Baltimore

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Speaker 6: like we are us Baltimore Brothers and Challels to Change

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Speaker 6: and Today a Family and Save Streets, and the list

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Speaker 6: goes on and on of organisms, you know, Baltimore Peace Movement.

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Speaker 6: But I can go on and on in terms of

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Speaker 6: organizations that are working directly with our community as it

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Speaker 6: relates to helping people get the support they need, helping

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Speaker 6: address you know, folks to make better decisions about their life,

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Speaker 6: and that those organizations need continued investment. Unfortunately, as I

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Speaker 6: mentioned Sakelar Broadcasting. They are engaged in a political attack

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Speaker 6: against organizations I give government investment in the kinds of

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Speaker 6: organizations that that I listed that are pivotal in providing

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Speaker 6: some of those supports to our young people. So it's

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Speaker 6: extremely important that.

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Speaker 1: Right and right there, we got to check the Yeah

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Speaker 1: who euthorr the day. But I'll let you fishing when

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Speaker 1: we get back. We gott to check the trafficing weather

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Speaker 1: and at different cities and produce in Baltimore. Well, let

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Speaker 1: me ask you this though when we get back as well.

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Speaker 1: Should it be age appropriate? Should a six year old

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Speaker 1: who got caught with a gun have the same punishments

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Speaker 1: as a thirteen or a sixteen year old? I'll let

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Speaker 1: you answer that question we get back. Family YouTube can

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Speaker 1: join our conversation with Davon Lovely. Daveon's from the group

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Speaker 1: called Leaders have a beautiful struggle and they're trying to

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Speaker 1: change the justice juvenile system in Maryland. What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we take a phone calls,

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Speaker 1: we check the traffic and weather. That's next and Grand

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Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for starting your Thursday with us. I

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Speaker 1: guess this dave On Love. Davon is part of a

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Speaker 1: group called leaders Are a Beautiful Struggle in Baltimore, and

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Speaker 1: they take on different issues and one of the issues

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Speaker 1: that they're discussing this morning, one of the issues on

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Speaker 1: their plate is the juvenile justice system, which unfairly impacts

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Speaker 1: our youngsters in Baltimore. They want to change it in Maryland,

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Speaker 1: the entire state of Maryland. And so, David, how let

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Speaker 1: you finish your thought? And then my question to you is,

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Speaker 1: how do we deal with a youngster, say a six

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Speaker 1: year old or a five year OL's caught with a

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Speaker 1: gun and a fifteen year old who's got with the gun.

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Speaker 1: Should they similar circumstances? How should they be dealt with?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

869
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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, certainly it should be different. I think,

870
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 6: you know, many states of Maryland is a state that

871
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 6: you know, if a young person is younger than ten,

872
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 6: then it isn't the criminal justice system it gets involved,

873
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 6: but it's you know, mental the you know, social services,

874
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 6: you know, those are kind of entities that get involved there.

875
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 6: I think we're fifteen year olds, you know, who have

876
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 6: kind of more understanding of this, their environments and more

877
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 6: ability to you know, make certain kinds of assess meant

878
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 6: that you know, there there are that gets determined by

879
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 6: department given our services by prosecutors to determine whether or

880
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 6: not you know, that young person act that criminally or not.

881
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 6: And I just think that it's important, as I mentioned before,

882
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 6: that we deal with each individual situation from a case

883
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 6: by case vantage point, because I think when we paint

884
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 6: too broad of a brush, then what ends up happening

885
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 6: is that those kids, but again might be better served

886
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 6: with some alternative to incarceration, are treated just like the

887
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 6: kids who actually are a problem that do need to

888
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 6: be removed from the community.

889
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: So, David, how can folks help you listen to you

890
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: right now? And do they have to be in Maryland?

891
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: In TA State? America's people outside of the stake and

892
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: they help as well.

893
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you don't have to be in Maryland. As

894
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 6: I mentioned before, you know, folks that want to contribute

895
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 6: to being sustained us. You know again, it's usually helpful

896
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 6: for us to do the work that we do with

897
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 6: the independent voice that we have. And also again sign

898
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 6: it up for our listener. You know, we're you know,

899
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 6: we're again we're in our Maryland Journal Assembly. Now it's

900
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 6: when our state legislature is in session from January to April.

901
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 6: It's a very compressed time and so when people do

902
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 6: like fill out those action alerts, like send those letters,

903
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 6: make those calls, that make a huge difference. And again,

904
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 6: I think this is a policy that we that folks

905
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 6: have been working to change for fifteen years. This might

906
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 6: be the year that Maryland goes a significant way and

907
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 6: ending the practice of automatically charging you as adult, right.

908
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: And keep us in the loop on that, because we've

909
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: been following that as well. And I'm glad that you

910
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: taking the lead and trying to make that change at Daylon,

911
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: So thank you for sharing your thoughts with us this morning.

912
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks for having me on.

913
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: All right, family, that's Stavon loving again. Just google the

914
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: leaders of a beautiful struggle in Maryland. They're trying to

915
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: change right now. This is one of the they do

916
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: different things. We're right now. They're trying to change the

917
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: driven lot justice system in the state of Maryland. Eighty

918
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: per cent of the youngsters look like us who are

919
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: caught up in that system. So we've got to do

920
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: something about it. The other folks don't care you know,

921
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: as long as our children are being harmed, they don't

922
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: really don't care. So it's up to us to make

923
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: the change. All right, Let's change over now to our

924
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: next guest. Who's brother and b we at shangy. I

925
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: hope I'm pronounce your name correctly. Welcome back to the program,

926
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: Grand Rising, sir.

927
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 5: It's right, it's brother Man, it's boy Bay. How you doing.

928
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm still learning. I'm still learning. Absolutely, we are a

929
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: learn some stuff for you because you've got a new

930
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: book out twenty forty eight. And you know, before we

931
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: get into the book, though, you think we need some

932
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: more more writers who look like us on the planet.

933
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 5: Oh man, Absolutely.

934
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 10: I'm a big advocate of being the vanguard of our

935
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 10: story and I think now more than ever is there

936
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 10: a need for more writers, simply because our story needs

937
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 10: to be translated to the next generation. And also with

938
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 10: this technology needs to be put in the database. If

939
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 10: you are familiar with your chat gbts and things of

940
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 10: that nature. These llmc's large language models. They receive information

941
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 10: from the Internet. So if we want to talk about

942
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 10: our story, or someone wants to put in a prompt

943
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 10: to find out about our story, they're going to pull

944
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 10: from what's from the internet, and if we're not the

945
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 10: one telling that story, then they're going to get a

946
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 10: biased view and that's not going to do us any

947
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 10: good in regards to us holding on to our history

948
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 10: and our legacy.

949
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: That's an excellent point. So how do we do that? Though?

950
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 10: I think the biggest part is understanding that, you know,

951
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 10: I'm an advocate for history, knowing who we are, but

952
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 10: then as an artist, there is a piece of us

953
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 10: that needs to figure out how we can do this

954
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 10: more on the artistic level. So for me, it's, you know,

955
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 10: writing this latest book. I've written eight to date that

956
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 10: this is my eighth one, but this is my first

957
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 10: one that is dealing with fiction. So I actually feel

958
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 10: like folks are more prone to want to read something

959
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 10: that is fiction than nonfiction. But as a as an

960
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 10: advocate for history and it being told correctly, I think

961
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 10: that we need to kind of merge or kind of

962
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 10: you know, yeah, kind of morph the two together so

963
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 10: that we are actually weaving truth in with fantasy.

964
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: How does that relate to with AI artificial intelligence? Can

965
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: we just you know, just because you can just put

966
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: a subject and just put the you know, some contents

967
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: that you want in a particular book and they'll they'll

968
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: do it for you. So how's that going to help us?

969
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 10: I think the biggest part is that a lot of

970
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 10: us c AI for that CI is is that way

971
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 10: is okay? Well, I can I don't really have to

972
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 10: do anything. I don't have to be creative at all.

973
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 10: I can just put something and it'll do it for me. However,

974
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 10: AI is still learning. And if we are not the ones,

975
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 10: as the distollers of our story putting out correct information,

976
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 10: then again that information that it's pulling from is going

977
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 10: to pull from some other source. And no one can

978
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 10: tell our story better than we can. I think, as

979
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 10: as creative uh and as I say, vanguards of our story,

980
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 10: it's important that we do tell our story. We do

981
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 10: do it in written format, in audio, in other ways,

982
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 10: in movies or whatever way that we can, because the

983
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 10: technology is enabling us to convey it in different ways now,

984
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 10: and we have uh, you know, generations that we need

985
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 10: to be thinking forward for because as technology becomes more

986
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 10: and more available and accessible, so will I think people's

987
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 10: attention levels in regards to being able to even receive

988
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 10: and or even create. So I think the biggest part

989
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 10: for us is to look into using AI as a

990
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 10: as a tool, not as the go to, but to

991
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 10: actually teach AI on how to tell our story correctly.

992
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: All right, family the top of the head, brother and

993
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: we be hope on pronoun correctly if bank, yes, sir

994
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: like mis mispronouncing folks name. But anyway, how can we

995
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: get down young people involved in this because the the

996
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: ones who are usually around the new media.

997
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's that's the part that I am an advocate

998
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 10: for is that everyone has a voice. And if we

999
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 10: think about the way technology has evolved. Prior to your

1000
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 10: YouTube or even social media, if you wanted to get

1001
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 10: something out, you probably had to be discovered by someone, right,

1002
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 10: You probably had to have an agent. If you wanted

1003
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 10: to create any type of video, you had to have

1004
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 10: a budget. You had to have all of these things

1005
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 10: before you can even begin telling your story. Uh, technology

1006
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 10: has not made it accessible for you to do it

1007
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 10: practically with sweat EQUI just putting in time. If you

1008
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 10: know how to do the technology, then you could do

1009
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 10: it yourself. So the thing that I feel with youth is, uh,

1010
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 10: they have stories themselves, they have experiences themselves. And as

1011
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 10: I would say, jagnas and not mentors. Is that the

1012
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 10: biggest thing that we can do is to help bring

1013
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 10: that out of them by to example, showing them the

1014
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 10: ways of how to express yourselves. Do it in an

1015
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 10: artistic way, if it's written, if it's oral, it's the music, entertainment, etc.

1016
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 10: But the point is that we should as those that

1017
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 10: are these these creators, these artistic creators, it is our

1018
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 10: obligation to both bring in the history of our culture,

1019
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 10: as I mentioned, but then also bring in the responsibility

1020
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 10: as a scribe to not only tell your story, but

1021
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 10: to do it in the realms of thinking. Not for

1022
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 10: it to do receive just for today, but how will

1023
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 10: it be received fifty years from now? We are the chronicles.

1024
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 10: We live off of information that we've read from people

1025
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 10: that don't no longer hear. So it's important for us

1026
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 10: to see it's the same way, how can I create

1027
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 10: this information to be available for one hundred years from now.

1028
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 10: That's the part that by reaching through the youth and

1029
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 10: getting them involved, understanding their role, their level of contribution

1030
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 10: is so vital that as Anthony bid will talk about

1031
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 10: their transition to thirteen, where we don't want to get

1032
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 10: into a point we forget that we've forgotten. It's the

1033
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 10: point we need to make sure that we are there

1034
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 10: to tell our story there to pass it on in

1035
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 10: a palatable way for the next generation to receive it.

1036
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 5: Right.

1037
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: That's something that the late doctor Renal Karoshida embraced as well.

1038
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: We've got to tell our story letting other people tell us.

1039
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 5: Absolutely, there's so.

1040
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: Many rich stories that we have for ancient ancestors that

1041
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: the people look like us, when people came before us. Well,

1042
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: we've got to figure out a way how to get

1043
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,479
Speaker 1: get it into the hands of our young people using

1044
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: the new media. Do you have any ideas we can

1045
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: do that?

1046
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 5: Absolutely?

1047
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 10: I mean the thing is sitting down with them and

1048
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 10: showing them how it can be done. I mean, I

1049
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 10: think because of the the this wave of technology that's

1050
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 10: coming that folks are being you know, lullaby and the creativity.

1051
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 10: Oh just put in a prompt and it'll do it

1052
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 10: for you. That takes away the personal touch. It takes

1053
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 10: away the the responsible contribution that I think one should feel.

1054
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 10: So I think getting youth involved is you know, for me,

1055
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 10: it's reading is most important obvious that we need to

1056
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 10: get back into the reading. If it's not just reading,

1057
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 10: it's listening audio visual, it's the arts, it's stem, you know,

1058
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 10: it's it's these type of educational measures as a basis

1059
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 10: to get folks to understand young folks in particular, how

1060
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 10: great our story is, but how also vitally is in

1061
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 10: today's time and jeopardy of losing it again if we

1062
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 10: do not do our part. So it's kind of like

1063
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 10: an obligation in regards to teaching our kids and letting

1064
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 10: them understand the importance of your role and playing your

1065
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 10: role as far as understanding it and then being able

1066
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 10: to cultivate it for your generation and then also be

1067
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 10: thinking of that the generations after, because I will be here,

1068
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 10: you won't be here in a fifty somewhe year, So

1069
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 10: who's going to be there to teach them if we

1070
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 10: don't start teaching them now.

1071
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: It's some real talk right there. And top down mentioned

1072
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: AI versus AI ancestral intelligence is that the way we

1073
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: should approach it.

1074
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 5: Absolutely.

1075
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 10: I mean the thing that I think about we're in

1076
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 10: the information age, and before even AI is going into AI,

1077
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 10: I think is the information age I A depends on AI.

1078
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 10: You know, this information that is AI is being able

1079
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 10: to put out and you know, basically function on is

1080
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 10: based again upon the type of information that's already available.

1081
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 10: So when we talk about our ancestral intelligence, this is

1082
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Speaker 10: what really moved me in writing this novel. It is

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00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 10: because ancestor intelligence, I think predates artificial intelligence, and artificial

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Speaker 10: intelligence actually has the ability to tap into that ancestral

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00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 10: intelligence provided we are the vanguard and telling that story. Again,

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00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 10: that's my point. So I think that you know, AI

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00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 10: is really it's a baby. It's a very dangerous baby

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00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 10: to some respects, because it can and it will overpower

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00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 10: us in regards to intellect and accessibility and scale. We're

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00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 10: seeing this right now. I mean everyone is, you know,

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00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 10: talking about CHATGPT, whereas two or three years ago they weren't.

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Speaker 10: So imagine what the next two or three years are

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00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 10: going to look like when we see more and more

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00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,959
Speaker 10: with augmented reality and virtual reality coming on the scene.

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00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 10: I mean, we're starting to see these things happening. So

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00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 10: people are having that wild factor of what technology brings.

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Speaker 10: But the question is where are we in this space?

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Speaker 10: Where do you see yourself? Where do we share our

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00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 10: those as a culture in this space, and if we

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Speaker 10: don't take control of our story again, it'll be told

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Speaker 10: by someone else, So how do.

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Speaker 1: We do that? How do we grab a hold of

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00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: it and make sure because other people probably get the

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00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: story too and try to distort it so our youngctions

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00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: will think, you know, some of our heroes were actually criminals,

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Speaker 1: So how do we and you know, sort of stop

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Speaker 1: them from doing that? Or can we?

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Speaker 10: I think the the best fighting chance we have is

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00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 10: for everyone to take responsibility individually to educate themselves about

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Speaker 10: our story, about our history, uh to learn about those

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00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 10: that have done the work with John Henry Clark's your

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Speaker 10: Chances to Williams, and even the living ones onto the

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00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 10: living ones of you know, your Wayne Chandlers and Anthony Browners.

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Speaker 10: The point is that if we are not, our focus

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00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 10: should be about understanding that story about us that made

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00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 10: us who we are. So that and I'll even dare

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00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 10: say throw one in your Octavia Butler's because afrofuturism and

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00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 10: technology has always been part of our story. And that's

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Speaker 10: what I think fantasy or fiction allows you to now do.

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Speaker 10: That allows you to not just be inundated with historical

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Speaker 10: dates and things that may some folks may find as boring,

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Speaker 10: but then now you can bring in fuse in fantasy,

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Speaker 10: you can fuse in metaphysics, you can prove fuse in

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Speaker 10: all these other components of art that makes us who

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Speaker 10: we are as a people and make it more attractive.

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Speaker 10: And I think that's what allows that that will target

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Speaker 10: that younger demograph, even the older demograph right through.

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Speaker 1: Right there sixteen at the top there. I gotta step

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Speaker 1: aside and b we shine your outcast. He's an author.

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Speaker 1: In one of his books, he's talking out. We're going

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Speaker 1: to discuss this book. Also a brother Sidikia Bakarab here

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Speaker 1: next week to talk about the AI artificial intelligence as

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Speaker 1: well and some of the things that brother and b

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Speaker 1: We is sharing with us this morning. Family, want to

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Speaker 1: join our conversation, reach out to us at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight to seventy six and we'll

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Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks

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Speaker 1: for rolling with us on this Thursday morning with our guests.

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Speaker 1: He's an author and Braadwey I got the question for you.

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Speaker 1: We're telling us that we have to tell our long

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Speaker 1: story we as adults, but inwe many of our adults

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01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: don't know our story. So hipkins, can they tell it

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Speaker 1: to the children.

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Speaker 10: Well, that's that's where those that know need to be

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01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 10: more vocal and create the information in a way that's accessible.

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01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 10: We just can't just write. We need to do audio,

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01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 10: We need to do like So it's it's again, I

1148
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 10: think it's a call of arms. If you would think

1149
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 10: about Alcoban, is that you know, there's a call of

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Speaker 10: arms for ascribes to come forth with the information and

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01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 10: bring it to the people. Now, you also have to,

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01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 10: as you mentioned, convince people that to learn to want

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01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 10: to be exposed to certain things. And I understand, you know,

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01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 10: us being under dispelled the rat race psychosis. We feel

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01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 10: we don't have the time to learn about our things

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01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 10: because we're too busy working and trying to pay bills

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Speaker 10: and everything. I understand that part that is a that

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01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 10: is a challenge. But at the same time, when is

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01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 10: it that we get to a point where we're tired

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Speaker 10: of being you know in the audience on the sideline

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Speaker 10: watching things happen in the world. You know, we have

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Speaker 10: we know more information and now have access to more

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01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 10: information now than we ever have, and yet it seems

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01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 10: like it can be information over low because you feel

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01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 10: like it's just too much that we don't want to

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Speaker 10: deal with it at all. But I think there's a

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01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 10: certain level of responsibility or if you don't do anything

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01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 10: that whatever happens in the world, you can't blame. And

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Speaker 10: you know, Jim ron had said this thing. I quote

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Speaker 10: this all the time. Jim Rohn has said that if

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Speaker 10: you don't design your own life plan, chances all your

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Speaker 10: fall and someone else's plan and guess what they have

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Speaker 10: planned for you.

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Speaker 5: Not much.

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Speaker 10: So I think as adults that are not, you know,

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Speaker 10: aware of our story, it is your responsibility to become aware.

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Speaker 10: And there's no excuse. You can't say that I'm too

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Speaker 10: tired or you know, I was unaware. You have the

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Speaker 10: access in your hand every day. We flip through the

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Speaker 10: phone every day looking at information out.

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Speaker 5: What type are you looking for?

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Speaker 10: So I think it's the onus of the reader or

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01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 10: the audience that wants to know about our story. But

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Speaker 10: it's also as creatives we need to create more. I

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01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 10: think we need to, you know, really do a they're

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01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 10: there's a great need for us to put more information

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Speaker 10: of our story out there and again in different measures,

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01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 10: not just books, but another form of technology that people

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01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,919
Speaker 10: can receive this information. Again, if not, then you know, again,

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Speaker 10: this information can get get lost and forgotten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm gonna jump in here, and how do

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Speaker 1: you know what you don't know? You don't know what

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Speaker 1: you don't know?

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Speaker 10: I think what I think the best thing is what's

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Speaker 10: that There's The principle is if you want to study

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Speaker 10: the known, I know, study the known. And uh that's

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Speaker 10: a principle of one of my principles is that we

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Speaker 10: understand that, uh, we do know what's going on in

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Speaker 10: the world.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 10: Anyone that says that they don't know our story, we

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Speaker 10: definitely know that the world isn't working in our favor.

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Speaker 10: Uh So even starting there, and this is actually what

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Speaker 10: prompted me to write.

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Speaker 5: The book for I wrote this book from Railroads to Robots.

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Speaker 10: Talking about the oligarch cinem monopolies and how the mindset

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Speaker 10: has been that we have been created, had this docility

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01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 10: in our minds to do things for ourselves. We just

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01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 10: accept what's given to us. In our core, we all

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01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 10: know that things aren't right, So the question is what

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01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 10: do you intend to do about it? So I really

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Speaker 10: don't believe that there's a time for excuses. It's a

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Speaker 10: matter of whether you accept what's happening, And if you

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01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 10: do accept what's happening, then you can't complain about what

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01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 10: you receive. But if you do want to change something,

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Speaker 10: then it takes the courage. And it's not even courage,

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Speaker 10: it's just living. It's wanting to do better for yourself,

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01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 10: to want to do better for your family and your community.

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Speaker 10: So I think it's beyond the whole point of I

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Speaker 10: don't know, and I don't know how to figure out

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Speaker 10: how to know in this respect, going to chat you

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Speaker 10: BT and ask well, what is African history if you

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Speaker 10: really need to do that, or what Give me some

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Speaker 10: folks that are written about African history, Give me some authors,

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Speaker 10: give me some books. The information is available. It's just

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Speaker 10: a matter of you going and applying yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but let me share something with you. And we've

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Speaker 1: had people call up and if we talk about history

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Speaker 1: when it would be a Tony Browner or a doctor

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Speaker 1: ben about the clock or when they were here, and

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01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: people say, well, what can I do with this? How

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01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: is that going to get me on the metro? What

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Speaker 1: would your response speak?

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Speaker 10: I think that we're looking for that silver bullet solution,

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Speaker 10: and uh, it's it's a mental deprogramming or unlearning that

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Speaker 10: one must go through in order to understand, you know,

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01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 10: the reason the way things are. And it's again as

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Speaker 10: a writer, this is why I write books about these

1239
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 10: specific things. There's a mental psychosis that we need to unlearn.

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Speaker 10: How do we become so docile in our thoughts? You know,

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Speaker 10: it's coming to the educational system. Well if you and

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Speaker 10: I would even offer reading my book for Roaster Robots

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01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 10: will break it down for you, so that could for

1244
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 10: you and you could read books like that. The Bubba

1245
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 10: brought is written in regards to the broader files. It's

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01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 10: a matter of getting the right information and it's you know,

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01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,919
Speaker 10: it starts with you wanted to know. If you don't

1248
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 10: want to know, then you won't know. If you want

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01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 10: to know and you apply yourself, that's the best thing

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01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 10: I can say. I mean, each for each individual. I

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01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 10: can't say there's one specific way to do. With other

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01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 10: bands going out and finding it's it's available, it's there,

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Speaker 10: and if you need a source.

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Speaker 5: I'd be happy to be that source at that starting point, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, twenty five away from the top of our brother

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01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,959
Speaker 1: ra is our guest, and we got some folks want

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Speaker 1: to talk to you. In eight hundred four five zero,

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six. Bob's out in Buffalo. He's online too,

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising Bobby are on with brother m brabe.

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Speaker 9: It's a blessed little family. A couple of things the

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01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 9: brother said triggered something in me to call in. One

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Speaker 9: is the idea of AI and he mentioned the idea

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Speaker 9: of i A which is a different flip on the

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Speaker 9: whole process. And he mentioned something about stem st e M.

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Speaker 9: I was one ofering where he thinks about steam, steam

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Speaker 9: adding arts to the whole process, and the question about

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Speaker 9: how does it help to get on the how does

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01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 9: it get help you get on the bus or on

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01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 9: the railroad. Brother has a story. He says, if you

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01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 9: leave your house in the morning, you don't know where

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01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 9: you're going. How do you even know when you get there.

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Speaker 9: We all have a story to tell, and that story,

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01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 9: that testimony, is something that is valuable for other people.

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Speaker 9: So we all need to tell our story. We all

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01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 9: need to know the history always of everything that happened,

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Speaker 9: but we need to tell our story.

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Speaker 5: So I was one of us.

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Speaker 9: Brother thinks of steam adding the arts to stem and

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Speaker 9: can you explain more the IA as opposed to the AI,

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Speaker 9: Thank you brother.

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Speaker 10: Yes, thank you brother, I say yes so definitely. In

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01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 10: regards to steam, I actually prefer steam. A is a

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Speaker 10: very part, important important part. I actually teach stem and

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Speaker 10: steam and A arts is the biggest part of the

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Speaker 10: also ad astronomy and astrology. There's so many other acronyms

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Speaker 10: that we could use A for it as well as

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Speaker 10: the other letters. But the part that is very vital

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01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 10: the artistic component of our creativity. We are all artists.

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Speaker 10: You don't have to be a singer, a rapper thing

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01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 10: to be considered an artist. If you are a creator,

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01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 10: you're an artist. You can create something. So that's one

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Speaker 10: of the things I feel it's a good way to

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Speaker 10: reach off age groups, not just our youth, but you know,

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Speaker 10: even elders, to understand that when we were kids, you know,

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Speaker 10: we had some creativity. We knew how to just create

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Speaker 10: amount of our imagination. Tapping back into that is is

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Speaker 10: a course to our greatness. I think that's very key.

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Speaker 10: And in regards to the information age, AI, as you know,

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Speaker 10: we're in the age of Aquarius, and this is where

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Speaker 10: we can see that in the last I would say,

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Speaker 10: since the age of Aquerations has begun, we've seen this

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Speaker 10: overflow of information being available, you know, not just through

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Speaker 10: the Internet, but also through social media. When people are

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Speaker 10: on social media, you can tell when you're seeing people.

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Speaker 10: If you're walking out on the street, you can see

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Speaker 10: more people that have their eyes locked on their phone

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Speaker 10: looking down walking opposed to looking up and or looking

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Speaker 10: at other people around them. We're constantly being inundated with

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Speaker 10: information on that phone. So this information age can dictate

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Speaker 10: how you live your life. If you are into a

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Speaker 10: lot of chaos and you know nonsense, your algorithm is

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Speaker 10: going to show that in your feed. If you are

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Speaker 10: into something that is holistic, that is positive, and that

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Speaker 10: nature the same thing. So we can train our algorithms,

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Speaker 10: and I think that that's the thing about our youth,

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Speaker 10: is that we need to train our kids on what

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Speaker 10: to how to control your algorithm. How can you get

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Speaker 10: the right type of information coming onto your pages so

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Speaker 10: that you are being fed good information opposed to the

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Speaker 10: nonsense that we see.

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Speaker 5: That's happening out here, the gossip and etc.

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Speaker 10: So I feel like AI depends on ia the type

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Speaker 10: of information, and we as those creators, have the ability

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Speaker 10: to dictate the type of information that this age will receive.

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Speaker 5: It's just a matter of for just stepping up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty minutes after the top of the brother and

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Speaker 1: Bayway is I guess this morning family. He's got a

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Speaker 1: new book out. We talked about his book were Ryan

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Speaker 1: and I were talking about aid and he says, we

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Speaker 1: need to control our story. But there's so much misinformation.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about the Internet, for example, social media, so

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Speaker 1: much misinformation, so many I've get calls with artists that

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Speaker 1: supposedly died and said do you know so? And so

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Speaker 1: I said, no, that's not true. And I think some

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Speaker 1: other artists get people doing stuff for clicks. How can

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Speaker 1: the average person because these people meanwhile and very well intelligent,

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Speaker 1: but they fall for the okid dog. So how can

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Speaker 1: we how can they? How can we tell what's what's

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Speaker 1: right and that's not wrong If we're using the internet

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Speaker 1: as a as a measuring stick.

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Speaker 10: I think there's a level of critical analysis that one

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Speaker 10: must develop. And I think that also stems from your

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Speaker 10: basis on how you think and how you process. We

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Speaker 10: know now that the reading copper and some levels where's

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Speaker 10: so low these days, in addition to the low attention

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Speaker 10: rates that folks can't even process information more than one

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Speaker 10: hundred and forty characters at a time. So it's it's

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Speaker 10: a point of you know, if you can read a paragraph,

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Speaker 10: most people can't even understand or break that down. So

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Speaker 10: there is that, there is that challenge of reading comprehension, right,

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Speaker 10: and the other part is, well how can you break

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Speaker 10: that spell? Is again you know I tell kids that

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Speaker 10: I that I teach all the time. Let's look at

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Speaker 10: your social media page and let's look at your search index.

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Speaker 10: What are you searching? What are you looking at on TikTok?

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Speaker 10: What are you looking at on ig or or or

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Speaker 10: you know they have the newer ones us old folks

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Speaker 10: are the Facebook, et cetera, things of that nature. But

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Speaker 10: what are you searching for? And this is what the

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Speaker 10: algorithm feeds. So if you're looking up you know, what

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Speaker 10: is Nicki Mina saying? Or if you're looking up what

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Speaker 10: about p Diddy, then you're going to get all this

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Speaker 10: information related in that space. But if you're looking up

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Speaker 10: something about holistic remedies or a d wise or spirituality

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Speaker 10: or meditation or that sort. And it's not to say

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Speaker 10: you can't do it any or a mixture of the two,

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Speaker 10: but most of us are o ding on the negative.

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Speaker 10: So that's the challenge is that this type of information

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Speaker 10: is coming through your feed is predicated upon your behavior.

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Speaker 10: So if you are allowing me jump in.

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Speaker 1: Here for a second. But so many people have a

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Speaker 1: proclivity for negativity. I don't know what it is. It's

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Speaker 1: just they just like anything that's just just if it's

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Speaker 1: it's pure, they don't want to hear about. But it's

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Speaker 1: something negative that somebody said or done or they think

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Speaker 1: they did. They renish that kind of stuff. So many

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Speaker 1: people in our community do that. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's part of our programming that they're programming, they have

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Speaker 1: been deprogrammed. How do you deal with those folks?

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Speaker 5: Well you can.

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Speaker 10: We could talk about conspiracies all day about how and

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Speaker 10: why I will. I do believe that it's all systemically designed.

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Speaker 10: One nugget out put out There is frequency. We're living

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Speaker 10: in a very low frequency the times that they are

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Speaker 10: very low in frequency, and I think part of that

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Speaker 10: is because, for instance, there's been a study where I

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Speaker 10: can't remember exactly what era that was, I think it

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Speaker 10: was just over a century ago, where they removed a

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Speaker 10: lot of the bells in major cities. The bells that

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Speaker 10: you would hear from the church bells would be a

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Speaker 10: way of breaking off negative energy. So we have to

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Speaker 10: think about the environment we're in in addition to all

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Speaker 10: other things that is around it. So it's systemic, yes,

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's not something that I feel like you

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01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 10: can just snack yourself and work yourself out of. It's

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Speaker 10: taking an assessment of what you have been consuming, both food, water, exposure,

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Speaker 10: as far as what you're watching, what you're hearing. All

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Speaker 10: these things are systemically designed. If you look up these

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Speaker 10: companies that are responsible for the type of information and

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Speaker 10: the air we breathe, and the food we eat, and

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Speaker 10: it's water we drink, they're all in cahoots with the

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Speaker 10: behavior of or basically falling in line with John D.

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Speaker 4: Vaka.

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Speaker 10: Feller said, even in the nation of thinking of workers

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Speaker 10: and our thinkers. So we're seeing the benefits of his

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01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 10: is crazy work that he's done over a century ago,

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Speaker 10: manifested even today. So breaking out of the spell, I

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01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 10: don't think that it's going to be something that we

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01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 10: can all break a wake up out of overnight. However,

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Speaker 10: I still feel that as a person that sees this,

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01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 10: that it is my obligation to do what if I

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01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 10: can to push the needle and speed up our real

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01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 10: waken This cultural abotomy that that we're suffering from can

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01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 10: be reversed. It's just a matter of consistency and scale.

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Speaker 1: Got you twenty six away from the topic, Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about your book twenty forty eight. How does this conceive?

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Speaker 1: How do you call it? How do you conceive this book? Why?

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Speaker 5: So? Yeah, this is this is my baby.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 10: The thing is, if you're familiar with George Orwell, he

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Speaker 10: came up with the book nineteen eighty four in nineteen

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Speaker 10: forty nine, and it's one of the first books I

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Speaker 10: read because I used to be this heavy, heavy conspiracy theorist,

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01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 10: and I read this book earlier in my twenties and

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Speaker 10: never forgot the book. But I later learned that the

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Speaker 10: book was originally titled nineteen forty eight, and he changed

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Speaker 10: the title to nineteen eighty four for a couple of reasons.

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Speaker 10: One is what my theory is that pretty much that

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Speaker 10: had he kept it at nineteen forty eight. During nineteen

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Speaker 10: forty eight, people weren't really in the mindset of conspiracies

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Speaker 10: as of yet as it is today. You know, there

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01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 10: were more people that trusted the government, that didn't believe

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Speaker 10: in shadow governments or espionage within on American soil as

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Speaker 10: we do today. So I'm not sure that it would

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Speaker 10: have been easily he would have been able to convince

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Speaker 10: folks so much that it was happening at that time,

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Speaker 10: although it was. But I also know that he wrote

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Speaker 10: change the title to nineteen eighty four because he was

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Speaker 10: giving people and unnoticed, look, this is what's happening. And

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Speaker 10: if we don't do anything in nineteen eighty four, we're

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Speaker 10: going to start seeing these things. So speaking that era,

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Speaker 10: and look at lo and behold, we are seeing this now.

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Speaker 10: So that as the route when I was writing from

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Speaker 10: Railroad to Robots and understanding the Second Industrial Revolution of

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Speaker 10: your John Rockefellers, your JP Morgan's, and your Carnegie and

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Speaker 10: Andrew Carnegie and their oligarchy of controlling the masses through

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Speaker 10: their wealth of oil still, et cetera, that they wanted

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Speaker 10: to control the world. They want to control how people

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Speaker 10: could think. And then I realized, well, we have some

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Speaker 10: of those oligarchs today. We have Bill Gates, we have

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Speaker 10: your Emil Muski of your Jest basis, et cetera. So

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Speaker 10: I did a comparison with that book. But as I

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Speaker 10: was writing that book, twenty forty eight just came to me.

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Speaker 10: It was like a download for the Anceston and it

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01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 10: was like, you need to write this book speaking about

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Speaker 10: what the world will look like in the next century,

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Speaker 10: but twenty years from now, pretty much twenty two years

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Speaker 10: from now, what will things be like as we see

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Speaker 10: this this growing of technology. And that created this story,

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Speaker 10: making me realize I can tell history to fantasy. So

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Speaker 10: that made me have the idea of doing a novel

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Speaker 10: and writing this book in a way that we actually

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Speaker 10: can can include two serials and heroes and how a

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Speaker 10: family from Brooklyn basically was able to ancestry connect with

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Speaker 10: a family in Keagali, Rwanda was a sovereign city that

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Speaker 10: wasn't caught under the oustices of the control of Big

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Speaker 10: Brother and be able to fight one of the villains

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Speaker 10: being called BB forty eight or for Big Brother twenty

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Speaker 10: forty eight.

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Speaker 1: Wow, oh, that's all right. Then we got to check

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Speaker 1: the news and traffic and we're out different cities. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, I want to get in too more

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Speaker 1: than twenty forty eight. That's the title of your book,

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Speaker 1: he says. It's a novel. It's fiction. What's your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: What do you think the world be like in twenty

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Speaker 1: forty eight? Family, you two can join this conversation with

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Speaker 1: our guest brother M Wayway. Reach out to us at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

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Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls as we check the news,

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Speaker 1: trafficking weather that's next for the hour on this Thursday

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Speaker 1: morning with our guest brother m waibey I finally got

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Speaker 1: it in the pronunctation of his name. He's an author

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Speaker 1: and he's written a book that we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about twenty forty eight. Before we go back to mvelements,

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Speaker 1: just remind you come up later this morning. We're going

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Speaker 1: to speak with industrial psychologist doctor Edwin Nichols. Doctor Nichols,

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Speaker 1: by the way, was one of the co founders of

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Speaker 1: the National National Association of Black Psycholoists. He'll be here

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Speaker 1: later this morning and he's going to share some techniques

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Speaker 1: with us how to respond to the current news events

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Speaker 1: and help us, in his words, not to take debit.

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Speaker 1: Also tomorrow, I want to remind you it's an open

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Speaker 1: form Friday. This is when we give you a chance

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01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 1: to free your mind, and all that means is the

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01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: thing for yourself. I want to hear from you what's

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01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 1: going on in your community, or some things that you

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Speaker 1: want to share with us, or some of the guests

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Speaker 1: that you heard what you think about them. And you

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01:18:58,040 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: can reach us at eight hundred four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six. We'll start taking any phone calls

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Speaker 1: at six a m. Eastern time right here in Baltimore

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Speaker 1: on ten ten WLB. I'm also in the DMV on

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen w L. All right, Brother m Wabe, tell

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01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: us about the book again. Get into the book for us.

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01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: You tell us why you wrote the book. But what

1506
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: do you see? He says, it's fiction, But what do

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01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: you see in twenty forty eight? What do you see

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01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 1: for us as a people?

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01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 5: I actually see that there's a.

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01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 10: I don't want to be David Downer, but I definitely

1511
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 10: see that there is a saculum. I don't know if

1512
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 10: you're maybe with the term saeculum, but a seculum is

1513
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 10: an era roughly about eighty eight to five years when

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01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 10: we start to see a cycle of change. And as

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01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 10: I mentioned before, time is kind of, you know, impeccable

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01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,560
Speaker 10: in regards to we are living in the benefits of

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01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 10: what John D. Rocket felt that planted nearly a century

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01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 10: over a century ago, rather with his mindset of creating

1519
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 10: the dependency on the system and us becoming ill equipped

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01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 10: being independent. Well, I feel like with the structure of

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01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 10: the world being as it is now, there's going to

1522
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 10: be a lot of those therefore and also a very

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01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 10: large growing number of those that are against it, those

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01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 10: that will not to come. We're in the in the

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01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 10: realm of not far from now, where they'll will be

1526
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 10: in a chip chip technological world where people are going

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01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 10: to have to be their id's are going to be

1528
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 10: based upon what's embedded in your palm or your hand.

1529
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 10: And if you want to get religious, we know what

1530
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 10: that is in levirus is six sixty six.

1531
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:36,799
Speaker 5: You know, we've been and we've seen this thing.

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01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 10: Where technology is going to be a way of dictation

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01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 10: and control and there's no.

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01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 5: Privacy right.

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01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I do believe that there

1536
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 4: is a space where those that will rebel, those that

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01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 4: do fight and will not comply and live in their

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01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 4: own type of sovereignty. Is we're amongst that space where

1539
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,639
Speaker 4: finally people are going to say enough is enough.

1540
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 5: I need to get away.

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01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 10: From this or do my own thing. So although we

1542
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 10: might find some hard times coming, I also do believe

1543
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 10: that there's going to be a realm of time where

1544
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 10: folks are going to become more independent, because we're.

1545
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 5: Going to have to be.

1546
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 10: If you don't want to accept what they're giving, you're

1547
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 10: going to have to go and create your own.

1548
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 5: And I think that this is.

1549
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 10: The time and space where we create great women and

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01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 10: men in this respect, So I welcome it. No no

1551
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 10: one wants to go through any hard times. But at

1552
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 10: the same time, if it means that to wake us up,

1553
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 10: to get us become more independent and take control of

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01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 10: the lives that we're supposed to be living naturally, I'm

1555
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 10: here for it.

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01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, iss who have away

1558
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: from the top, are we still going to be at

1559
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 1: the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder or going to be

1560
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 1: Does this fiction knowledge you wrote do you give us

1561
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 1: a leg up? Did we move up the polls at

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01:21:57,800 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: some point?

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01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 5: Truly?

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01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, I'm going to The beautiful thing

1565
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 10: about again about fiction is that you get to create,

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01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 10: you get to paint the canvas, and you know we're

1567
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 10: going to be victorious and I think that we will

1568
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 10: be victorious.

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01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 5: Now it's not about fighting the.

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01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 10: Machine, it's about remembering who you are. When you understand

1571
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 10: your core of who you are before this, that fear

1572
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 10: is based upon an emotion that really isn't an actual thing.

1573
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 10: It's an emotion, and we can rid ourselves of that emotion,

1574
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 10: of that fear and step into it courageously, step into

1575
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 10: the world that was supposed to be living the way

1576
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 10: that our ancestors be it from a few blood lines

1577
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 10: that go in to a millennium generational blood linds back

1578
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 10: that we were always a adaptive type of people. We

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01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 10: struggle as in our blood, but also sovereignty is in

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01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,600
Speaker 10: our blood. The ability to do for ourself is in

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01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 10: our blood. And so I think that this is going

1582
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 10: to really wake us up. And as Harriet Tubmans you know, said,

1583
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 10: you know, she could have free more if we knew it.

1584
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 10: So I don't expect us all to get there. And

1585
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 10: I'm not saying that I'm found and I'm going to

1586
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 10: be there. I have my ticket, but I do believe

1587
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 10: that I'm of the mindset that I'm not going to

1588
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 10: be eagerly complying to what it.

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01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 5: Is that they want to offer us.

1590
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 10: I am awful about predominantly about doing herself and finding

1591
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 10: those like minded folks that feel the same way. And

1592
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 10: if it's just myself, then it so be it. But

1593
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 10: the bottom line is, I think that we have the

1594
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 10: ability to do what it is that we chart out

1595
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 10: to do, and today we get to actually be to

1596
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 10: actually prove it because our blood lines teach your blood

1597
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 10: lines depend on it.

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01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: Got you and we got some calls people want to

1599
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 1: have to spell your name and way to get your book.

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01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: Will do that before you leave. Brother, But I got

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01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:52,560
Speaker 1: to ask you this though, you know, a lot of

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01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: times it seems some of us, some people just just

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01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: by sitting here in front of this microphone, some people

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01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: are waiting for a leader. You know, we've always whether

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01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 1: it be a Malcolm or Marcus or Martin or Farakhan

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01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: or somebody else, to come out and lead us as

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01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: a people. In your book, do you identify a leader?

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01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: If so, that could right now, if your book comes

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01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: to fruition, that leader is probably a child right now

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01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: and maybe taking us to the quote unquote the promised

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01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: land wherever that is. So do you identify a leader in.

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01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 10: The book, I actually identify leaders. And that's the thing

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01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 10: that I think we need to break is trying to

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01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 10: find it within one person. Actually, the leader starts with

1615
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 10: yourself as inward, it's in you. If we are looking

1616
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 10: for a leader, we have the history. Just do an

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01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 10: analysis of our history.

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01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 5: We have a leader, what do we do?

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01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 10: We push them up to the top to make the snipers.

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01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 10: You know, if they want to be sniped, they can

1621
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 10: make the aim all that more precise if we operate

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01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 10: in the respect of ubutu and that you know, out

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01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 10: of many or one, we are all part of this

1624
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 10: bigger things. That it's harder to break a batchel of

1625
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 10: sticks than it is to break one, as the Kenyan proverb. Right,

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01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 10: So if we understand that it's not about me looking

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01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 10: for someone to leave me, but can I leave myself?

1628
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 10: And what examples can I attribute to this movement that

1629
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 10: helps well, in my book, it isn't about having one person.

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01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 10: Is actually folks that have particular skills and they bring

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01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 10: those things together. It's like kind of like Volton, if

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01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 10: you want to use that old analogy. And so I

1633
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 10: think that that's the goal that I advocate for folks

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01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 10: that will read this book, is that we need to

1635
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 10: get involved with this technology, not as consumers. We need

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01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 10: to both as adults and or so for our children,

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01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 10: teach them about coding, understand what coding is, understanding what

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01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 10: reverse engineering for mechanics are. And it's not about all

1639
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 10: we have to be these nerds. But at the same

1640
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 10: time we do because it's the nerds that are running

1641
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 10: the world, you know. So if we want to have

1642
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 10: any say about what's happening for ourselves, we need to

1643
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 10: learn how to not And additionally to learn these things,

1644
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 10: these skills, we need to learn the life skills. How

1645
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 10: to capture water, how to grow food, how to create shelter,

1646
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 10: how to recycle these type of things. And people might think, oh,

1647
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 10: this is the whole longsry list of things to do. Yes,

1648
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 10: it may be that way, but in a space where

1649
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 10: the structure collapses, you're going to have to do it anyway.

1650
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 10: So you might as well have the awareness and the

1651
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 10: do it all or the ability to be aware of

1652
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 10: how to do these things. How do I create fuire

1653
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 10: for heat?

1654
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 5: You know? Do I have to have wood and matches

1655
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 5: or can I use alcohol?

1656
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 8: Like?

1657
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 10: What can I use to sustain just the basic levels

1658
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 10: of life? And when you understand those type of things.

1659
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 10: Then it allows you to then think, Okay, well what

1660
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 10: else can I What's the next thing I need to

1661
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 10: take on.

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01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting and I'm glad that you say it's fiction,

1663
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: but in the fiction, because a lot of the fiction

1664
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 1: becomes reality. You mentioned George Allway's book as well, But

1665
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: in your book do you see us being in depend

1666
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: did you write the way independent? We're not dependent on

1667
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: any group, any other person, or any other tenancy.

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01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 5: Would be.

1669
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 10: One of the places that in this book is a

1670
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 10: sovereign city is in Kigali, Rwanda, and UH this city

1671
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 10: they are both technologically advanced and they also tapped into

1672
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 10: ancestral intelligence, so they understand their core of who they are.

1673
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:34,480
Speaker 10: They have a direct connection with the frequency of our ancestors.

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01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 5: There's UH.

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01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 10: They use plant medicine to go and learn and UH

1676
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 10: stay connected with uh the past so that they alassan

1677
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 10: cofa to bring it into the present and into the future.

1678
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 10: And it's it's it's kind of like a sci fi

1679
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 10: but also a historical, like a back back in time

1680
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:01,719
Speaker 10: type of thing, because there is no really time capsule

1681
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 10: about our store. We've always been here, you know, in

1682
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 10: respects of how we've existed. So what I use is

1683
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 10: the powers and abilities that we've had back in you know,

1684
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 10: let's go back to today's push and in our valley

1685
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 10: and how technological advanced state were. They had electricity, they

1686
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,560
Speaker 10: had running water, they had underwater sewage. So this is

1687
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 10: not a modern marble. That's the things that we did.

1688
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 10: These are carbon copies of what we did before. So

1689
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 10: what we understand that and that's why he's through steam,

1690
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 10: is that we've done these things, you know, the Cola

1691
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 10: Tesla and what he's done with electricity and solar power.

1692
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 10: He learned that from us. So we understand that we

1693
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 10: are the stowers and originators of this technology and science.

1694
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 10: Then it plans that it reawakens that city, and must

1695
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:51,879
Speaker 10: understand that we are the creators, We are the innovators,

1696
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 10: we are the alchemists, and therefore we are can take

1697
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 10: that same type of energy and propel it to protect

1698
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 10: it to our future. We can't control the type of

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01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 10: future we want to inherit and in the book Kagali

1700
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 10: would want of those type of people existed and they

1701
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 10: created this sovereign nation that was off grid, wasn't called

1702
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 10: up in Two Big Brothers monopoly and was able to

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01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:15,639
Speaker 10: actually fight and defeat.

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01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting five away from the top because

1705
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 1: your book it expands your consciousness. Many of us are

1706
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:27,440
Speaker 1: trapped into our reality. We can't see beyond our own communities.

1707
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 1: We never think that you're talking about Kagley that you asked.

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01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,600
Speaker 1: Probably many of our folks. I don't know what Kagalley is.

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01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: So how did you expand the mind?

1710
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 5: Though?

1711
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 1: Because you've got to do that. If you write a

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01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: book let the twenty forty eight talking about twenty forty eight,

1713
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 1: and hopefully he said, we won't be as stagnant as

1714
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,799
Speaker 1: we are today because many of our folks they refuse

1715
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 1: to get beyond their their You know, people in Washington,

1716
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 1: d C. Many of them haven't even left in DC,

1717
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 1: some of them having as small as it is, this

1718
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 1: and that's their entire world. And they don't see a

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01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 1: reason to do that because they're comfortable in their situation.

1720
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: So how do you expand their mind? And I'll tell

1721
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:05,680
Speaker 1: you what. I'm looking at the clock here. We've got

1722
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 1: to take a short break and check the traffic and

1723
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 1: weather and the news in some of our cities. We

1724
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 1: come back, I'll let you I'll let you respond to

1725
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 1: that question. Also, Monte, calling from the Pentagon City's war room,

1726
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 1: has a question for you family. You two can join

1727
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 1: our conversation with brother m Babey Mwaibay. He's an author.

1728
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred and four or

1729
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll taking phone

1730
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: calls after traffic and weather.

1731
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 5: That's next.

1732
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us on

1733
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: this Thursday morning. It's call Thursday morning on the East Coast.

1734
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 1: I guess his brother m Waebe and he's written a

1735
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 1: book about the future. It's called twenty forty eight. And

1736
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 1: I'll forego my question in the interest of time because

1737
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 1: we've got doctor Edwin Nichols on deck. But Monte has

1738
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: a question for you. He's calling from what he calls

1739
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 1: the Pentagon City war Room. So Monte Grand Rising, you're

1740
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 1: on with brother m Beebe.

1741
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 5: Grand Rogie.

1742
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1743
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 5: Carl.

1744
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,719
Speaker 11: I was calling this morning because I have a question

1745
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 11: for you and I want I respect your knowledge and

1746
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 11: it's you know, you seem like you're an expert. Do

1747
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:07,680
Speaker 11: you think the Democrats is doing enough for us? And

1748
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 11: I know the Reverend Green from Texas fled in peachment

1749
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 11: charges against Truck, but he found impeachment charges knowing we

1750
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,799
Speaker 11: don't knowing the Democrats don't control any of the houses,

1751
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 11: and basically knowing the outcome was gonna be nothing. I

1752
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 11: just want to know, do you feel like the Democrats

1753
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:31,719
Speaker 11: right now are doing enough to help black people towards

1754
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 11: the future? Or are the Democrats just there so we

1755
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 11: could have a buffer so we don't go full you know,

1756
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:40,879
Speaker 11: strike or rebellion against the government.

1757
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 12: It seems like they just there.

1758
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 11: It's a buffer, you know, the commers down all right?

1759
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 1: Tell let me put it in the ways of the

1760
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 1: brother Conncer. Is this going to be an issue book?

1761
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 1: Thank you sir? Is this going to be an issue

1762
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 1: twenty in your book? Would this be an issue twenty

1763
01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 1: forty eight? In twenty forty eight?

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01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 10: The political regime to me is going to be changed

1765
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 10: in twenty forty eight, because when we look at the

1766
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 10: technology and where it's going, I mean, I really don't

1767
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 10: see as much maybe not so much in twenty forty

1768
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 10: but definitely that next century. I mean, folks are not

1769
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 10: going to have as much control those those innovators of

1770
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 10: this technology. For some reason, they think they can harness it.

1771
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 10: And we've seen it in the movies like Terminator, where

1772
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:26,639
Speaker 10: they thought they could control these things. You're creating something

1773
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 10: that is going to be able to out.

1774
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1775
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 10: So Politically, I'm not sure what the political regime is

1776
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 10: going to look like in the next you know, you know,

1777
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 10: quarter century to fifty years, but I definitely believe that

1778
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 10: those powers that be will not be as much control

1779
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 10: as we think they are.

1780
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 1: Do you right about that in the book?

1781
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 4: Uh?

1782
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 5: No, I don't.

1783
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 1: Okay, well listen, we gotta let you go. Before I'll

1784
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 1: let you go, call, I want you to spell you

1785
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 1: and how can they ad a copy of your book?

1786
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 10: Okay, yes, thank you so much for the time and

1787
01:32:57,320 --> 01:32:57,799
Speaker 10: for listeners.

1788
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 5: I appreciate you.

1789
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 10: The crrect spelling of my name is m Boybe. That's

1790
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 10: m b w e b e and you can find

1791
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 10: me at m boybeishangi dot com. That's m b w

1792
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 10: e b e I s h A n g I

1793
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 10: dot com. That's m b w e b e I

1794
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 10: s h A n j I g g I dot com.

1795
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: And the title of the book one more time now.

1796
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 10: The book is twenty forty eight Sovereignty and the Age

1797
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:30,639
Speaker 10: of Control.

1798
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 5: When big brother murders.

1799
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: With AI all right, looking forward to reading. Thank you, brother,

1800
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing your thoughts with us this morning.

1801
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 1: Thank you for putting out that book as well. But

1802
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: I say ah shay, all right, family five. At the

1803
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 1: top there I was bringing doctor Edward Nichols, Doctor Nichols,

1804
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:48,719
Speaker 1: grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

1805
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 4: Good morning, Good morning.

1806
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 5: How are you.

1807
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:54,720
Speaker 1: We're still learning, doctor Nichols, and we know we're going

1808
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 1: to learn some stuff from you this morning. Man, let

1809
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 1: me just tell the family, doctor Nichols. It's one of

1810
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:01,560
Speaker 1: the co founders of the Nationalistation of Black Psychologists, and

1811
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 1: you said here this morning to help us. He's going

1812
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: to share with us some techniques how to respond to

1813
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: all these changes, these current changes we see in the

1814
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 1: news because you know that way thinks they send us

1815
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 1: up to take the bait or sometimes we don't. We

1816
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: don't you know, understand what they're really trying to do.

1817
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,680
Speaker 1: But doctor Nichols is going to break it down for us. So,

1818
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 1: doctor Nichols, what are some of the first things we

1819
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 1: should be doing when we hear news different things are

1820
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 1: changing that impact us as a people as a group.

1821
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 4: Well, I think one of the most good learning. First

1822
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 4: of all, to everyone, I'm very glad to have the

1823
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 4: opportunity to share concepts and ideas with you. I think

1824
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 4: that it's very important that we recognize we are in

1825
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 4: a society where, according to the African proverb, when two

1826
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:56,480
Speaker 4: elephants fight, the grass gets tremples. Right now, the Republicans

1827
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 4: the Democrats represent the two elephants, and they are fine,

1828
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:06,640
Speaker 4: and we, as the black population, are part of the

1829
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 4: grass can be trampled. And I peasingly say to my friends,

1830
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 4: roll up your little piece side, cut it out, rolled up,

1831
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 4: and put on the side until that they get killing

1832
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 4: each other off or trampling. Now, the reason I hear

1833
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 4: that that ancient thing with you is that very often

1834
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:32,680
Speaker 4: we get swept up in what the one side of

1835
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 4: the other, and we get swept up in ideas. But

1836
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 4: we have to remember that it is their right and

1837
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 4: we're control damage that can be put into the fight

1838
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 4: to ignite it or to get in a different direction.

1839
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 4: And so the biggest thing is don't take light. There

1840
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:02,719
Speaker 4: are many provocations that have come law and are very gooying,

1841
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 4: very aggravating, demoralizing.

1842
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 5: I'll give you one example.

1843
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 4: In Philadelphia, George Washington lived in Philadelphia because Philadelphia was

1844
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 4: the original capital of the United States in its development,

1845
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 4: and he took his slaves to Washington Philadelphia. When he

1846
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 4: got there, he didn't realize before the state of Pennsylvania

1847
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 4: had all saying if you'd been a slave in this

1848
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 4: state for six months, then you're free. So what George

1849
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 4: Washington did was to rotate his slaves. He with him

1850
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 4: out before that in their six months, bring in a

1851
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 4: new crew. Rotate out, bring in a new crew. And

1852
01:36:56,280 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 4: he also had a policy that it's one tries to

1853
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 4: run away that he would track down. Of course were

1854
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:07,679
Speaker 4: the most famous one was this one who he tracked

1855
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:12,640
Speaker 4: into electrically her death, but she remained on as she

1856
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:17,680
Speaker 4: was never captured. Now those things are hero stories that

1857
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 4: our children should be cognizant out. They should also becaugness

1858
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:25,679
Speaker 4: of the founder of our country, the defind of liberty.

1859
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:29,600
Speaker 4: All that had slaves, it wasn't that it was a

1860
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 4: benevolent guy. He treated them, he trusted down. He did

1861
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 4: everything that any other person would do to property, because

1862
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 4: for him, we were property. Now, there were some tablet

1863
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 4: sly court, some finds made out of like a gredet

1864
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:54,440
Speaker 4: or something at where he lived in Philadelphia had explained

1865
01:37:54,640 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 4: some of these aspects of slavery. The Trump administration had

1866
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 4: been removed. Now it put a big protest to the

1867
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 4: big site, yell and scream and dwells of that to

1868
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 4: fail because takes the date. My atbude is those inscriptions.

1869
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 4: So signs that were up there and what they said,

1870
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 4: they should be put on TikTok or on public menia

1871
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 4: so that they're passed around and our children be them,

1872
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 4: so you can utilize the technology that we have to

1873
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 4: our advantage. Why do I say do that, because how

1874
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 4: many of children realize the odiousness of battle latry and

1875
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:59,599
Speaker 4: the first president that they're seeing all these gloss thinks

1876
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:04,600
Speaker 4: about flaws. It isn't sing that he didn't do the

1877
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:08,400
Speaker 4: wonderful things that he did, but it says in terms

1878
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:14,600
Speaker 4: of our reality, he wasn't. He wasn't all that that

1879
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 4: one would hold for. So the message that I'm giving

1880
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 4: is that we must not take the bait, and we

1881
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 4: must end vehicles by which we can dicate the population

1882
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 4: and our children through public media as to what is

1883
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 4: happening and why it's happening, what we can do about it?

1884
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 1: All right, A question for you, doctor Nichols, because some

1885
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:50,679
Speaker 1: folks see what's going on with Ice and say, they're

1886
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 1: not attacking us. It's not our fight. You know, they're

1887
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 1: going after the Latinos or so, and they've never helped us.

1888
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 1: So let's stay in our corner and just watching the

1889
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 1: pumps up pop going and have fun and let them

1890
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,680
Speaker 1: duke it out and let them deal their thing. That's

1891
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: not that's kind nothing to do with us. What say you,

1892
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:08,040
Speaker 1: doctor Nichols.

1893
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 4: Well, when you talk about different ethnic groups, ethnic groups

1894
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:21,839
Speaker 4: have thought that they were secure. Hispanics thought they were secure.

1895
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 4: If you look personally right here in Washington, d C.

1896
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:32,320
Speaker 4: If you look back fifteen years, twenty years, some of

1897
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 4: the young Hispanic coming here started to own businesses and

1898
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 4: they are successful businessmen with contracting and things like that.

1899
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 4: If you out the window here in Washington, d C.

1900
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 4: Where you go, you see teams of workers doing public

1901
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 4: with contracts with the city to do road repair, everything

1902
01:40:54,000 --> 01:41:00,919
Speaker 4: that you can imagine, construction, everything, and Spanish is married language.

1903
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 4: Now Washington, d C. Basically a black city with the

1904
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:08,720
Speaker 4: contracts are well, now you'll have one two blacks on

1905
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 4: a contract perhaps, but not always. What they came here,

1906
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 4: they think the American dream. You work hard, which as together,

1907
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 4: pull yourself together and act like you're suppose, with family values,

1908
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 4: you will become an American. Now, there are two words

1909
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 4: I want are to be cognizant of. There is a

1910
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 4: culturating followed by assimilation. So once these Hispanics that came

1911
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 4: here from Central America and other places at a culturrated

1912
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:56,720
Speaker 4: that if they had their businesses, they had jobs, they

1913
01:41:57,640 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 4: gone to school, they had done all of these things.

1914
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 4: Then a country brings them into whiteness.

1915
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 5: That's called white vivilege.

1916
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 4: Technically, there are two books that you want to bury

1917
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:18,560
Speaker 4: old now, but you want to pull them out and

1918
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:22,400
Speaker 4: read them. Once is when the Irish became White, and

1919
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 4: the other one says when Jews became white. These are

1920
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:29,400
Speaker 4: two books that demonstrate a group of people who came

1921
01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:35,080
Speaker 4: from Europe that were not cultrated into American society and

1922
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:39,040
Speaker 4: therefore could not be assimilated into the main stream, which

1923
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 4: is in essencete of whiteness. We as African Americans have

1924
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:52,920
Speaker 4: been a culturted for injuries, but we have never been elimilated,

1925
01:42:54,840 --> 01:43:00,639
Speaker 4: and that is our exorcisilistic reality. Now, the Hispanics thought

1926
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:08,760
Speaker 4: that they would now be ascilated into the mainstream, so

1927
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:15,840
Speaker 4: McColl them. However common, they were still seen as outsiders.

1928
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 4: A lot of that has to do with complexion and

1929
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:26,760
Speaker 4: hair and other things like that, but more importantly it

1930
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:31,639
Speaker 4: has to do with money. If you can keep them

1931
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Speaker 4: out of the mainstream and then you can get contracts

1932
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:39,719
Speaker 4: for them that are lower, they'll get lower, they'll pay less,

1933
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:42,320
Speaker 4: they'll take less for their work.

1934
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Speaker 5: So that's one misuse of them. But those who were.

1935
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Speaker 4: Successful thought they would, it'd be right a part of

1936
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:57,240
Speaker 4: the group they voted for quote unquote family values. Here's

1937
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 4: a situation we must be talking about. Many odors vote

1938
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 4: on single issues. What they want more than anything else

1939
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:13,520
Speaker 4: is that issue, and if your party promises and delivers

1940
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:17,040
Speaker 4: on giving them that issue, then they don't go out

1941
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:25,519
Speaker 4: anything else. So the single issue for Catholics is abortion,

1942
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,840
Speaker 4: no abortion, no burken to notes, all of those things.

1943
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:32,519
Speaker 4: If you just do that, in spite of all the

1944
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:37,600
Speaker 4: things that Trump does and says and behavior, if there

1945
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:40,600
Speaker 4: were any other person, he would never would never be

1946
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 4: elected in the first place, where he talked very vulgarly

1947
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:50,760
Speaker 4: about his behavior with women. So the reality again is,

1948
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:55,200
Speaker 4: here's a group of people who thought they had been

1949
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:59,560
Speaker 4: efficiently acculturated enough to be assimilated into the mainstream.

1950
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:01,839
Speaker 5: For some of them, they were as similar.

1951
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:05,920
Speaker 4: Now we get to simical and however comma.

1952
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 5: And that is the rightning.

1953
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:15,360
Speaker 4: The rackning is once you're out of here. There are

1954
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:20,639
Speaker 4: too many out here. You're disrupting names in terms of our.

1955
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 5: Wealth, our growth, we want.

1956
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 4: What you develop is ice. It's already there, and you

1957
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 4: implement it into a military force. Now there's no other

1958
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 4: whole issue here. What is ice all about? Why are

1959
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:50,760
Speaker 4: you being more people into Minnesota in ice than in

1960
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:59,640
Speaker 4: the police department or for Minneapolis Minneapolis. It's if you

1961
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 4: can yet, if if the if the camo can get

1962
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:06,879
Speaker 4: the nose of the camel to the tent, the rest follows.

1963
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 4: So those into all of the cities, particularly those that

1964
01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:18,840
Speaker 4: are democratic and a lot of those who have black mars. Yeah,

1965
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:23,320
Speaker 4: they put the they put this force in. This force

1966
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:29,320
Speaker 4: is is they look the way they're going?

1967
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:31,519
Speaker 5: Do we know who they are?

1968
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:32,480
Speaker 4: They're anonymous?

1969
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 5: Can they come to a nice door?

1970
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:41,040
Speaker 4: Yes? Do they follow any other constitutional realities like do

1971
01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 4: you have a warrant to come into my house?

1972
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 8: No?

1973
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:50,439
Speaker 4: They break down doors, go in, get an old man

1974
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:55,720
Speaker 4: in his unware and bring him out. His son has

1975
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 4: to put a blanket over his shoulder.

1976
01:46:58,280 --> 01:46:59,160
Speaker 5: That turns out.

1977
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 1: Citizens and hold that thought right there, Doctor Nichols, We've

1978
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:06,040
Speaker 1: got to step aside for a few moments and let

1979
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 1: you come back and explain to us what's going on here. Family.

1980
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 1: Our guess is Doctor Edwind Nichols, DTR Nichols is a

1981
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:15,479
Speaker 1: clinical and industrial psychologists. He's giving us some tips, some

1982
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:18,559
Speaker 1: techniques though we won't get caught up in what's going

1983
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 1: on in the news. What are your thoughts? You two

1984
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:22,599
Speaker 1: can join our conversation. Reach out to us at eight

1985
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:25,880
Speaker 1: hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we

1986
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 1: take you calls next and grand Rising family, just checking in.

1987
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:31,200
Speaker 1: Our guess is doctor Edwin Nichols. Doctor Nichols, who is

1988
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:35,000
Speaker 1: one of the founders of the National Association and Black Psychologists.

1989
01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:35,200
Speaker 8: Here.

1990
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:37,760
Speaker 1: He's given us some techniques to use because we're getting

1991
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:40,720
Speaker 1: may get swept up in some of the information in

1992
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 1: the news that's coming on, and he wants us to

1993
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:45,160
Speaker 1: be quite aware of what's gone how to deal with

1994
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:48,080
Speaker 1: with situations you hear coming in the news. But before

1995
01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:51,000
Speaker 1: we go back to Dtor Nichols, brother Tyrone has an

1996
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:53,040
Speaker 1: important announcement he's got to make real quick for us.

1997
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:55,960
Speaker 1: So Brother Tyrone, Grand Rising, what's going on? Your family

1998
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:56,960
Speaker 1: needs to know? Real quick?

1999
01:47:57,760 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, real quick.

2000
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 5: Call. The state school boards ruled that the eight.

2001
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 7: Hundred thousand dollars a year that they have been withholding

2002
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:10,519
Speaker 7: from doctor event is due to them, and he feels

2003
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:13,600
Speaker 7: that in order to complete this, he wants to have

2004
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:16,679
Speaker 7: a meeting today at six pm. They want to close

2005
01:48:16,720 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 7: the school and he's trying to he's an appeal process now,

2006
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 7: and so he feels that it's very important. From speaking

2007
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 7: to him personally, he feels that it's very important that

2008
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:27,479
Speaker 7: we be at that school at six o'clock. If you

2009
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:29,479
Speaker 7: make it, be at the school at six o'clock today,

2010
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:33,599
Speaker 7: twenty five to twenty five kirk Avenue, Baltimore, Maryland, twenty

2011
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 7: five to twenty five kirk Avenue, Bollvere, Maryland, six pm.

2012
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 7: He wants all supporters to be there and he feels

2013
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:42,559
Speaker 7: like that will since the deal, so please can be there.

2014
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:45,200
Speaker 5: Be there. Twenty five, twenty.

2015
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:49,559
Speaker 7: Five Kirk Avenue, Baltimore, Maryland, two to one shoot out

2016
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:52,200
Speaker 7: even had a Zipps Bonmom Maryland should be enough and

2017
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:55,000
Speaker 7: that school has a diverse sense success rate for getting

2018
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 7: black boys out of high school. So and it can't

2019
01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:01,880
Speaker 7: be matched schoolsers at all. They want to show it

2020
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:02,559
Speaker 7: down so.

2021
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:06,720
Speaker 1: Again and we'll mention it before we get off the

2022
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 1: are as.

2023
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:07,160
Speaker 8: Well.

2024
01:49:07,240 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 1: That's again because we've been fighting to help keep this school,

2025
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 1: black boys school in Baltimore open and the city is

2026
01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 1: trying to close it. And they have a meeting today

2027
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:18,759
Speaker 1: at six o'clock twenty five, twenty five Kirk Avenue in Baltimore,

2028
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:21,320
Speaker 1: the Collegius School for Boys in Baltimore. So family out

2029
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:23,880
Speaker 1: there in Baltimore, and if you're in from well, if

2030
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:25,639
Speaker 1: you want to take the track up there and help

2031
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:28,759
Speaker 1: keep the school open, we appreciate you. Thank you again, Tyron,

2032
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:30,799
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing that with us, and we'll announce

2033
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 1: that before we leave as well. But doctor, let's go

2034
01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 1: back to doctor Nichols, Dodtor Nicholas. I'm gonna let you

2035
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:38,280
Speaker 1: continue helping us out here because we're being inundated with

2036
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 1: different you know, different stimuli from different groups, news reports,

2037
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:44,680
Speaker 1: and we see things that are happening. We and as

2038
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 1: I mentioned before we left for the break, we see

2039
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:49,040
Speaker 1: the ice is coming in now and they're going after

2040
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 1: the Latinos, and some of the people in our community

2041
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:54,720
Speaker 1: say we should just stand by and just watch, you know,

2042
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:57,280
Speaker 1: just just let them do their thing, because the Hispanics

2043
01:49:57,400 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 1: never helped us. But you is that what you is

2044
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:03,400
Speaker 1: that something you concur with though? Should we be effectively

2045
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 1: on the front lines with them? How do you see it?

2046
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:11,960
Speaker 4: Well, we need to our assistance to them in the

2047
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 4: ways that we can. It is not confrontational directly. In

2048
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:21,720
Speaker 4: other words, if there's a Hispanic sale community that you know,

2049
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:25,080
Speaker 4: and they need to go shopping but they can't because

2050
01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 4: they're afraid to go, you could.

2051
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:27,000
Speaker 5: Go shop for them.

2052
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:30,519
Speaker 4: If they're children are at school, you could take the

2053
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:32,880
Speaker 4: children's school and bring them back and they'd be less

2054
01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:37,120
Speaker 4: likely stop by ice. Someone does things like that. These

2055
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 4: are personal things, and they and hear that group of

2056
01:50:42,479 --> 01:50:46,439
Speaker 4: people that you individually help become like a mass people

2057
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 4: and they're in tear. There's an endearment between us then,

2058
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:56,520
Speaker 4: But in terms of fighting or going out in mass demonstration,

2059
01:50:57,080 --> 01:51:01,080
Speaker 4: unless everybody is going out, let me give you an example.

2060
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:10,680
Speaker 4: When George Floyd was murdered, everyone went out and that

2061
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:16,080
Speaker 4: was significant because everyone outreached and everyone went out. The

2062
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:25,640
Speaker 4: recent murder of this p pe Wtt when he was

2063
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:31,760
Speaker 4: the nurse was shot and killed. Everyone went out. Well,

2064
01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:33,640
Speaker 4: you can join those groups because you can be a

2065
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:38,880
Speaker 4: part of everyone, but to be on the front going out,

2066
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:45,240
Speaker 4: that is what goes on television, and that's what makes

2067
01:51:46,439 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 4: white people who are on the other side, who believe

2068
01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:59,400
Speaker 4: everything you see on Fox, very insecure. It corroborates service

2069
01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:06,320
Speaker 4: fear the blacks are coming. So we have to be

2070
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:10,479
Speaker 4: mindful of the image that has been portrayed about the

2071
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 4: black man who used to be a benevolent guy in

2072
01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:17,320
Speaker 4: play for your uncle Tom, just taking toward the poor children,

2073
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:21,800
Speaker 4: even bread, putting their hair. All right, this monster that

2074
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:25,640
Speaker 4: we now see of black men just walking in the

2075
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:29,639
Speaker 4: president you get this fear and fright of the black man.

2076
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:33,280
Speaker 4: So if you have army of black men out there walking,

2077
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:38,120
Speaker 4: it's frightening being in terms of what happened here in Washington,

2078
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:45,799
Speaker 4: we had this street where the Black Lives Matter is gathering,

2079
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:52,439
Speaker 4: and you had a termining time and you had to

2080
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:54,600
Speaker 4: be off of the off of the street. You had

2081
01:52:54,640 --> 01:53:00,640
Speaker 4: to get back. Well, because the presidents wanted to be

2082
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:04,360
Speaker 4: on television, he needed to do what he was going

2083
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 4: to do in time for it to be on the

2084
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:12,400
Speaker 4: eating television. So he began at least twenty minutes before

2085
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:15,320
Speaker 4: the time when everyone's to be all out of way

2086
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:18,599
Speaker 4: and off of that street, to push people back, even

2087
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:23,120
Speaker 4: with horses. So now and then, of course we have

2088
01:53:23,240 --> 01:53:25,720
Speaker 4: the same nature of him holding the Bible upside down.

2089
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 4: I'm sharing with you is that if we're visible, then

2090
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:36,800
Speaker 4: we're liable to be engulfed in what are going on.

2091
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:40,320
Speaker 4: There are other words to help. Let me give you

2092
01:53:40,360 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 4: an example. These people don't have food. You can go

2093
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,559
Speaker 4: to the food altered places and package food. You can

2094
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:49,160
Speaker 4: go to shop for them. You can pick your children

2095
01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:51,519
Speaker 4: up from school. You can do all kinds of things

2096
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:54,800
Speaker 4: that are on a personal role which will endear and

2097
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:58,080
Speaker 4: see the relationship between you and that group people.

2098
01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:02,120
Speaker 1: Here for a second, doctor doctor Nichols, I think the

2099
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:05,240
Speaker 1: question is why should we do this? Because people are

2100
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:07,800
Speaker 1: saying they didn't do it for us, so can we

2101
01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:10,080
Speaker 1: before we can do.

2102
01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:14,559
Speaker 5: Well? They they thought that they were right.

2103
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:20,360
Speaker 4: Does that make sense? They thought they were assimilated into

2104
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:25,080
Speaker 4: the mainstream. They were culturated. They were these people, they

2105
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:29,120
Speaker 4: had jobs, they had all these things. They were being educated.

2106
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:31,080
Speaker 4: Some of the kids go to college and so forth.

2107
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:36,680
Speaker 4: All those are that an education and the reality that

2108
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:42,160
Speaker 4: your group of people had been acculturated into the society.

2109
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:46,840
Speaker 4: Now you will be assalated and become one of us,

2110
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:56,360
Speaker 4: but they had assimilatable. They represent a threat, economic threat. Oh,

2111
01:54:56,960 --> 01:55:02,240
Speaker 4: they didn't do anything for us, many of them, they didn't.

2112
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:05,800
Speaker 4: Now the Puerto Ricans was that, you know, they have

2113
01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:09,000
Speaker 4: more black blood some of them and recognized what was

2114
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 4: real and they voted differently. Then you go down to

2115
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:17,520
Speaker 4: some of the people of Central America and certainly from

2116
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:22,120
Speaker 4: the Cubans. Is you just go down Florida, that whole peninsula,

2117
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 4: you can see the changes in who hotel. In essence,

2118
01:55:26,440 --> 01:55:30,800
Speaker 4: they have vowed their lesson, they've learned their lessons. They're

2119
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:36,760
Speaker 4: not white, they're vulnerable. So if you if you have

2120
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:40,200
Speaker 4: nothing to do with it, there's no bond. But I'm

2121
01:55:40,280 --> 01:55:42,400
Speaker 4: saying you don't have to make a public service annount.

2122
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:46,000
Speaker 4: It's just small individual things. Now, let's go back to

2123
01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 4: our axiology.

2124
01:55:47,120 --> 01:55:51,320
Speaker 5: Where the highest valuelized in the relationship. They are the

2125
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:54,040
Speaker 5: same people as we are in terms of relationships. They

2126
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 5: don't want to.

2127
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:59,520
Speaker 4: Be dissed and it has happened to them. Now with

2128
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 4: eyes is they as a group. People had been dissed

2129
01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:08,320
Speaker 4: and there is no relationship now, so we wanted to

2130
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:11,360
Speaker 4: capitalize on there as much as we can. So we

2131
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:16,440
Speaker 4: didn't have, indeed a real partner. Now some of them

2132
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:18,080
Speaker 4: are not going to be there because he makes enough

2133
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:22,840
Speaker 4: money that they belonged to the group. But the people

2134
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 4: that wrote in enough to unquote a mass.

2135
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:30,280
Speaker 5: Bok a difference will make a difference.

2136
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:32,440
Speaker 4: That's how I see it.

2137
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:36,600
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this a jump in here

2138
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:39,000
Speaker 1: thirty minutes after the top of that doctor Nichols with

2139
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:42,720
Speaker 1: with the Latino group Hispanics where they played against us,

2140
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:46,000
Speaker 1: did you if so, did they understand that because many

2141
01:56:46,040 --> 01:56:48,040
Speaker 1: of us in the black community saw that, you know,

2142
01:56:48,120 --> 01:56:49,800
Speaker 1: they were trying to get us to attack them, and

2143
01:56:49,880 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 1: they said they're taking our jobs and all this kind

2144
01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:54,000
Speaker 1: of stuff is if the white folks had jobs for

2145
01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:56,480
Speaker 1: us airmark black jobs or what is a black job?

2146
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Speaker 1: We went through all of that that issue with them.

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01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:02,440
Speaker 1: Did but did they Hispanics of the Latinos, did they

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01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:06,680
Speaker 1: understand that they were being jexaposed against us by the

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01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:07,760
Speaker 1: other society.

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01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:16,680
Speaker 4: Well, I don't bear two groups. The agricultural workers who

2151
01:57:16,760 --> 01:57:19,200
Speaker 4: come and work in the fields and none of us

2152
01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:22,640
Speaker 4: want the jobs. We've done those before, we don't want

2153
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:26,320
Speaker 4: those anymore. Where you out there in the field from

2154
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:29,400
Speaker 4: before the sun goes comes to when the sun goes

2155
01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:32,680
Speaker 4: down and there are no public toilets out there. Okay,

2156
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:37,760
Speaker 4: making strawberries one strawberry at a time, So we've done that.

2157
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:40,240
Speaker 4: But the others are the ones who have the large

2158
01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:42,960
Speaker 4: contract that works in the city and had the contra

2159
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:46,920
Speaker 4: for cement and contract for the contract for that are

2160
01:57:47,160 --> 01:57:49,360
Speaker 4: so if you want to do a new bathroom in

2161
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:51,240
Speaker 4: your house, they are those who come with a contract

2162
01:57:51,320 --> 01:57:55,760
Speaker 4: into that. Now, that group of people, for that period

2163
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 4: of time thought they were doing everything that was going

2164
01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:08,080
Speaker 4: to make them assimilatable into the American mainstream. Reality was

2165
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:13,800
Speaker 4: they're not, And just this last period of time has.

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01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:14,400
Speaker 5: Brought them.

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01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:21,120
Speaker 4: To that reality. That's the they didn't they had They

2168
01:58:21,200 --> 01:58:25,760
Speaker 4: had a misperceiption. You know, if you're told if you

2169
01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:27,880
Speaker 4: do this and this and this, we've been told that,

2170
01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:32,680
Speaker 4: how many times have we build you know, brush your teeth, rushers,

2171
01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:36,200
Speaker 4: call your hair, cut it all off, whatever, and you

2172
01:58:36,280 --> 01:58:42,440
Speaker 4: will be the bright young black, get your degree. Fine,

2173
01:58:42,600 --> 01:58:46,080
Speaker 4: who you want to We got to see, we've done

2174
01:58:46,120 --> 01:58:52,720
Speaker 4: all those things that are culturational things, but the system

2175
01:58:52,840 --> 01:58:58,080
Speaker 4: will not assimilate us into the mainstream. They thought they

2176
01:58:58,160 --> 01:59:03,960
Speaker 4: were assimilated into the mainstream, but this particular period of

2177
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:10,320
Speaker 4: time with Ice demonstrates to them that don't belong. They

2178
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:13,040
Speaker 4: are not part of the mainstream, and they want them out.

2179
01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:20,640
Speaker 4: So what their behavior was in this earlier is not

2180
01:59:21,160 --> 01:59:24,320
Speaker 4: the reality of that behavior can get you what you

2181
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:26,560
Speaker 4: thought you were going to get. And now we have

2182
01:59:26,640 --> 01:59:32,040
Speaker 4: an ally if we utilize that ally, does that make sense?

2183
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:32,880
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.

2184
01:59:34,040 --> 01:59:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, But Kenny, this is the same thing we said

2185
01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:38,640
Speaker 1: about some of our folks who have made it quote

2186
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:40,680
Speaker 1: unquote whatever that is, they've made it. Then in the

2187
01:59:40,760 --> 01:59:42,760
Speaker 1: money group, and we've got we've got a bunch of

2188
01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:46,440
Speaker 1: millionaires and billionaires in our group, do they feel the same?

2189
01:59:46,760 --> 01:59:48,920
Speaker 1: Are they a sort of complacent when it comes to issues?

2190
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:52,120
Speaker 1: They feel they're they're insulated from all that the problems

2191
01:59:52,200 --> 01:59:54,600
Speaker 1: that we who don't have as much money as they have.

2192
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:58,920
Speaker 1: Is it the same thing, yeah, Well.

2193
02:00:01,600 --> 02:00:04,840
Speaker 4: You have a mindset from some people saying I made it,

2194
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:06,840
Speaker 4: I came out of nothing.

2195
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:07,520
Speaker 5: I made it.

2196
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:10,320
Speaker 4: If you do the same thing, you can make it.

2197
02:00:11,080 --> 02:00:13,280
Speaker 4: So the other part of it is even though they

2198
02:00:13,320 --> 02:00:18,040
Speaker 4: had money, they're not secure because of the weight you

2199
02:00:18,160 --> 02:00:20,880
Speaker 4: can have income tax people come down on you and

2200
02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:25,920
Speaker 4: wipe you out right here in northwest Washington, d C.

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02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:30,880
Speaker 4: And I'm going back now thirty years. But there were

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02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:33,920
Speaker 4: a group of black doctors who were doing exceptionally well,

2203
02:00:35,160 --> 02:00:37,600
Speaker 4: and they begin to buy a rosebice.

2204
02:00:38,600 --> 02:00:40,040
Speaker 5: One bought one, bought one.

2205
02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:43,840
Speaker 4: Well the moment they bought that, there was one man

2206
02:00:45,200 --> 02:00:48,240
Speaker 4: in the Baltimare area, which is responsible for income tax

2207
02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:53,160
Speaker 4: in the district, that went through their income tax back

2208
02:00:53,520 --> 02:01:00,600
Speaker 4: ten to fifteen years and bankheted them because was they

2209
02:01:00,720 --> 02:01:08,680
Speaker 4: didn't have it. Vast group of people are not as

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02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:09,959
Speaker 4: secure as they thought.

2211
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:10,240
Speaker 5: They would be.

2212
02:01:11,320 --> 02:01:15,120
Speaker 4: You say, rattle the chains anyway. They feel that they

2213
02:01:15,200 --> 02:01:15,680
Speaker 4: can lose.

2214
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:18,000
Speaker 5: So what they do is they.

2215
02:01:18,360 --> 02:01:22,440
Speaker 4: Separate themselves and go with the same life. You worked

2216
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:25,080
Speaker 4: hard as I did and to do this as I did,

2217
02:01:25,160 --> 02:01:29,080
Speaker 4: and so let's you be here where I at. The

2218
02:01:29,160 --> 02:01:36,040
Speaker 4: reality is, oh, well, hopefully we.

2219
02:01:36,120 --> 02:01:38,440
Speaker 1: Have a lost of doctor Nichols. Kevin sounded like his

2220
02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:41,280
Speaker 1: line dropped twenty five minutes away from the top of

2221
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:43,120
Speaker 1: their family. To try to get doctor Nichols back. You

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02:01:43,200 --> 02:01:45,200
Speaker 1: got questions for doctor Nichols. Just reach out to us

2223
02:01:45,240 --> 02:01:48,760
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

2224
02:01:48,920 --> 02:01:51,040
Speaker 1: Convene this drop when we just about to take the break.

2225
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:52,640
Speaker 1: So let's take the break, Kevin, then come back and

2226
02:01:52,680 --> 02:01:56,160
Speaker 1: get doctor Nichols on the line. Vest you've got questions again,

2227
02:01:56,240 --> 02:01:58,080
Speaker 1: you know how to reach us eight hundred four or

2228
02:01:58,120 --> 02:02:01,040
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your

2229
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:04,120
Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks to staying

2230
02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:06,280
Speaker 1: with us on this Thursday morning call Thursday morning on

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02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:09,200
Speaker 1: the East Coast with our guest, doctor Ed Nichols. Doctor

2232
02:02:09,320 --> 02:02:11,120
Speaker 1: Ed Nichols is one of the smartest brothers we have

2233
02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:13,960
Speaker 1: in our communities. Retired now is one of the founding

2234
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:17,760
Speaker 1: members of the National Association for Black Psychologists. It also

2235
02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:21,320
Speaker 1: discusses the philosophical aspects of cultural difference. That's what we've

2236
02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:24,240
Speaker 1: discussing previously. But right now he's given us some of

2237
02:02:24,240 --> 02:02:26,720
Speaker 1: the techniques that we can use to fend off what

2238
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:29,400
Speaker 1: we will see later on some of these where that's

2239
02:02:29,480 --> 02:02:31,800
Speaker 1: trying to rope us into what's going on with ice

2240
02:02:31,880 --> 02:02:35,000
Speaker 1: and these demonstrations. He's explained to us what we should which,

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02:02:35,200 --> 02:02:38,240
Speaker 1: what we should be doing so, please listen to him closely. Also,

2242
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:40,280
Speaker 1: got to remind you there's a big meeting taking place

2243
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:43,480
Speaker 1: tonight at six o'clock. Actually this is for the Collegiate

2244
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:45,640
Speaker 1: School for Boys on the campus at twenty five twenty

2245
02:02:45,720 --> 02:02:49,000
Speaker 1: five Kirk Avenue. Remember the Board of Education in Baltimore

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02:02:49,160 --> 02:02:52,839
Speaker 1: voted to close the school. Is somehow they've gotten a reprieve,

2247
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:54,440
Speaker 1: if you will, and they want to explain that. But

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02:02:54,520 --> 02:02:56,360
Speaker 1: they need folks to come out and show up tonight

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02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:59,320
Speaker 1: at six o'clock at twenty five, twenty five Kirk Avenue. Also,

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Speaker 1: tomorrow is going to be an open film Friday. We'll

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02:03:01,120 --> 02:03:02,440
Speaker 1: give you a chance to free your mind. All that

2252
02:03:02,480 --> 02:03:04,560
Speaker 1: means is thing for yourself. You can reach your starting

2253
02:03:04,600 --> 02:03:07,080
Speaker 1: at eight o'clock and right here in Baltimore on ten

2254
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:11,120
Speaker 1: ten WLB and also in the DMV on fourteen fifteen WL. So,

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Speaker 1: doctor Nicholson, I'm not sure where your line drop, but

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02:03:13,960 --> 02:03:15,880
Speaker 1: I'll let you just finish your thought. And then a

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Speaker 1: brother Collus has a question for you.

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02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:23,600
Speaker 4: Okay, what I'm what I'm saying is that the amount

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02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:28,320
Speaker 4: the number of black women that were fired when is

2260
02:03:28,640 --> 02:03:32,120
Speaker 4: more than three hundred thousand. So what does that do

2261
02:03:32,360 --> 02:03:37,320
Speaker 4: in terms of family life for blacks. This corroborates now

2262
02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:39,520
Speaker 4: because you have these women who don't have a job.

2263
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:42,760
Speaker 4: Now you go back to the thing that they're lazy,

2264
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:44,880
Speaker 4: they're shifts, they don't do this, they don't do that.

2265
02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:47,840
Speaker 4: You can you can carry the myth because they're not working.

2266
02:03:48,200 --> 02:03:51,160
Speaker 4: Now we don't go to why they're not working. It's

2267
02:03:51,200 --> 02:03:54,840
Speaker 4: the myth. Now, is this the first time that the

2268
02:03:54,920 --> 02:03:59,840
Speaker 4: civil federal civil service has been slashed in terms of

2269
02:04:00,600 --> 02:04:03,400
Speaker 4: reducing the number of blacks or cutting the income of blacks.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 4: Woodrow Wilson is the person who segregated physically the civil service.

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02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:16,360
Speaker 4: So two post office workers, a white woman in one

2273
02:04:16,440 --> 02:04:19,520
Speaker 4: window and a woman a black man and another and

2274
02:04:19,720 --> 02:04:23,400
Speaker 4: his wife saw it and said that can't be. And

2275
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:27,600
Speaker 4: in addition to that, blacks were having the same income

2276
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:30,120
Speaker 4: as whites because they were both civil services at the

2277
02:04:30,120 --> 02:04:34,960
Speaker 4: same level. And he cut the income of blacks almost

2278
02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:39,040
Speaker 4: in half. So if you had bought property, house, everything

2279
02:04:39,480 --> 02:04:45,160
Speaker 4: contingent upon your income, now you were a bankrupt. So

2280
02:04:45,880 --> 02:04:48,320
Speaker 4: the fedral system itself.

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Speaker 5: Is not a detection.

2282
02:04:50,480 --> 02:04:53,800
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is that it is a cycle in

2283
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:57,720
Speaker 4: which we build and are destroyed, build and destroyed, build

2284
02:04:57,760 --> 02:05:01,680
Speaker 4: and destroyed. And that's the interesting to reality. Now, when

2285
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:04,840
Speaker 4: the destruction takes place, we can't go into a shell

2286
02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:08,560
Speaker 4: and start talking about oh lord, oh us. We have

2287
02:05:08,760 --> 02:05:12,120
Speaker 4: to take this moment and do the education of our children.

2288
02:05:13,640 --> 02:05:16,640
Speaker 4: You are just talking about high school closing. I don't

2289
02:05:16,640 --> 02:05:20,160
Speaker 4: know anything about it. I'm assuming that it must have

2290
02:05:20,520 --> 02:05:23,760
Speaker 4: top products that they turn out to have to ask

2291
02:05:23,800 --> 02:05:28,440
Speaker 4: you a question, why is it being closed? But if

2292
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:31,040
Speaker 4: they're turning out the products that they say they're turning out,

2293
02:05:31,840 --> 02:05:34,000
Speaker 4: and you have a large number of graduates from this

2294
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:37,080
Speaker 4: school than you do from the general population of high

2295
02:05:37,080 --> 02:05:42,440
Speaker 4: school graduates black men, then why would you close it? Well,

2296
02:05:42,600 --> 02:05:44,800
Speaker 4: there's a lot of things that go on under cost

2297
02:05:45,080 --> 02:05:51,160
Speaker 4: effective and cost beneficial. Sometimes it's cost effective to close

2298
02:05:51,200 --> 02:05:55,560
Speaker 4: the school because of the staff hiring and all the

2299
02:05:55,640 --> 02:05:58,640
Speaker 4: different things. So the building that has to be leased

2300
02:05:58,680 --> 02:06:00,360
Speaker 4: in order for them to have that and so on,

2301
02:06:01,120 --> 02:06:06,520
Speaker 4: and it's just not economically feasible, so it's not cost effective.

2302
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:11,360
Speaker 4: But cost beneficial is how many young men graduate from

2303
02:06:11,400 --> 02:06:13,400
Speaker 4: that school and go to college, or how many black

2304
02:06:13,480 --> 02:06:16,400
Speaker 4: guys graduate from high school that would not graduate from

2305
02:06:16,480 --> 02:06:20,080
Speaker 4: high school. So these are all dependent variables that we

2306
02:06:20,200 --> 02:06:23,240
Speaker 4: as black people, have to constantly be aware of and

2307
02:06:23,400 --> 02:06:29,240
Speaker 4: conscious use in order to keep the ball rolling. It's

2308
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:31,640
Speaker 4: like two steps forward a half step back. But we

2309
02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:34,920
Speaker 4: have to keep pushing but recognize that these forces are

2310
02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:38,600
Speaker 4: always there to keep us down. We rise a little

2311
02:06:38,600 --> 02:06:43,960
Speaker 4: bit and then keep us down. It's like dough. You

2312
02:06:44,120 --> 02:06:47,080
Speaker 4: have dough and it rises and they punch it back down,

2313
02:06:47,400 --> 02:06:51,320
Speaker 4: but it rises again. So that is our reality. And

2314
02:06:51,480 --> 02:06:54,960
Speaker 4: once we accept that, we are in a better position

2315
02:06:55,080 --> 02:06:59,880
Speaker 4: to survive a storm until it's over to the next,

2316
02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:03,640
Speaker 4: to the next peak in which we have our rising

2317
02:07:03,800 --> 02:07:06,240
Speaker 4: that we talk about all the time. I want to

2318
02:07:06,280 --> 02:07:08,800
Speaker 4: talk about something else very quickly, because it's very funny

2319
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:15,240
Speaker 4: to me. You have a situation in Baltimore where the

2320
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Speaker 4: black congresswoman from that area was attacked on television with

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02:07:21,720 --> 02:07:23,720
Speaker 4: this guy with a syringe that turns out there was

2322
02:07:24,080 --> 02:07:27,320
Speaker 4: apple cider vinegar in it. And he comes up there

2323
02:07:27,400 --> 02:07:30,320
Speaker 4: with his name that you cannot pronounce it because it

2324
02:07:30,360 --> 02:07:35,200
Speaker 4: has so many consonants in it, and uh, he spies her,

2325
02:07:36,600 --> 02:07:38,440
Speaker 4: and of course everyone grabs him at what have you?

2326
02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:42,560
Speaker 4: But you have to look at that moment this black

2327
02:07:42,640 --> 02:07:46,400
Speaker 4: woman instead of backing her way oh oh oh, she

2328
02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:49,280
Speaker 4: goes with her sisters like she's going to beat him

2329
02:07:49,360 --> 02:07:51,680
Speaker 4: to after death. They better hold on to it because

2330
02:07:51,720 --> 02:07:53,320
Speaker 4: if she got to him, she would have heard it.

2331
02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:56,760
Speaker 4: The reason I share that with you because that is

2332
02:07:56,960 --> 02:08:02,320
Speaker 4: the that is, that's the power of our black women.

2333
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:06,120
Speaker 4: This woman did not backway. She was going to go

2334
02:08:06,200 --> 02:08:09,920
Speaker 4: get a piece of him, okay. And I share that

2335
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:12,440
Speaker 4: with you because you can see it on the television.

2336
02:08:13,720 --> 02:08:15,960
Speaker 4: Her sister is balled up. And then this morning she

2337
02:08:16,080 --> 02:08:18,920
Speaker 4: was teased. She said they held her back because she

2338
02:08:18,960 --> 02:08:23,080
Speaker 4: would probably be arrested for, you know, beating somebody up

2339
02:08:23,120 --> 02:08:27,240
Speaker 4: in public or something crazy like that. Our black women

2340
02:08:27,480 --> 02:08:33,000
Speaker 4: have always been the bedrock of our relationships. And as

2341
02:08:33,080 --> 02:08:37,040
Speaker 4: long as we recognize the strength of the black woman

2342
02:08:37,880 --> 02:08:42,040
Speaker 4: as our partner, not carrying the load all by herself,

2343
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:47,120
Speaker 4: but as our partner that will carry us through many

2344
02:08:47,200 --> 02:08:51,160
Speaker 4: times any stroubles that we have. We have to see

2345
02:08:51,200 --> 02:08:53,640
Speaker 4: our black women as our partner. Now, all these women

2346
02:08:53,720 --> 02:08:55,560
Speaker 4: over there in PG County that don't have a job,

2347
02:08:57,480 --> 02:09:02,240
Speaker 4: Your governor said, come to this Maryland Civil Service will

2348
02:09:02,240 --> 02:09:06,000
Speaker 4: sells me bass that we have. So and I'll think

2349
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:09,440
Speaker 4: about that, think about what other governor would do something

2350
02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:14,760
Speaker 4: like that, And then look to see how many times

2351
02:09:14,840 --> 02:09:19,280
Speaker 4: they tried to destroy him, discredit him. Be mindful of

2352
02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:25,120
Speaker 4: the game and don't get caught up in it. We

2353
02:09:25,240 --> 02:09:25,800
Speaker 4: had a question.

2354
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, hold up, thought, brother Carls has a question for you.

2355
02:09:29,880 --> 02:09:33,120
Speaker 1: He's calling from Waldorf. He's on my one grand rising,

2356
02:09:33,160 --> 02:09:34,680
Speaker 1: brother cors you with doctor Nichols.

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02:09:35,880 --> 02:09:38,840
Speaker 13: Grand Rising, My dear brothers, and thank you so much

2358
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Speaker 13: Carl and doctor Nichols for your analysis and so forth.

2359
02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:48,880
Speaker 13: Just for clarification of that congressman was from Minneapolis. That

2360
02:09:49,080 --> 02:09:55,120
Speaker 13: was elham Omar, the Somalian congress person that got that

2361
02:09:56,120 --> 02:10:02,800
Speaker 13: injection or what have you fluid thrown at her? But

2362
02:10:03,960 --> 02:10:07,760
Speaker 13: small point. I wanted to ask you about the name

2363
02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:10,560
Speaker 13: if you could help me with the We are dealing

2364
02:10:10,640 --> 02:10:16,720
Speaker 13: with the nature and the temperament of the European manu

2365
02:10:17,480 --> 02:10:24,600
Speaker 13: particularly and how this is war. They were against the

2366
02:10:25,160 --> 02:10:30,520
Speaker 13: melanated people as opposed to the non melinated people. In

2367
02:10:30,720 --> 02:10:35,800
Speaker 13: Michael Bradley's book, The Iceman's Inheritance is called the Cronus Complex,

2368
02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:38,720
Speaker 13: and I just cook it's just one short sentence that

2369
02:10:38,840 --> 02:10:42,200
Speaker 13: he has in there. He says that survival and the

2370
02:10:42,320 --> 02:10:50,880
Speaker 13: warm glaciation or the European environment demanded a specialized kind

2371
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:57,920
Speaker 13: of man with physical adaptations beyond mere cultural tools. And

2372
02:10:58,120 --> 02:11:01,880
Speaker 13: on the front of the book it shows the White

2373
02:11:02,040 --> 02:11:08,839
Speaker 13: hand with a rock, bloody rock, coming out bashing everything

2374
02:11:09,160 --> 02:11:12,360
Speaker 13: that's in front of him to say, if you don't

2375
02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:15,880
Speaker 13: do what I want you to do, I'm going to

2376
02:11:16,040 --> 02:11:18,960
Speaker 13: crash you. I'm going to bash you ahead in and

2377
02:11:19,120 --> 02:11:23,400
Speaker 13: so forth. And what I'm asking is, can you give

2378
02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:28,040
Speaker 13: me some insight into that complex that comes out of

2379
02:11:28,080 --> 02:11:32,480
Speaker 13: that glacial environment called the Iceman's inheritance if I would

2380
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:36,000
Speaker 13: appreciate that, Bert, my dear brother, thank.

2381
02:11:35,880 --> 02:11:39,320
Speaker 4: You, all right, thank you, thank you for the question.

2382
02:11:40,240 --> 02:11:46,080
Speaker 4: All right, let's examine where they come from. When you

2383
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:49,520
Speaker 4: go back to the origin of your team people at

2384
02:11:49,560 --> 02:11:52,680
Speaker 4: the end of the last Ice age in Europe, you

2385
02:11:52,920 --> 02:11:57,360
Speaker 4: find a place where you may have three months of

2386
02:11:58,000 --> 02:12:01,200
Speaker 4: whether in which you can grow a product. And not

2387
02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:03,400
Speaker 4: only is what you have to do in the three months.

2388
02:12:05,000 --> 02:12:08,680
Speaker 4: You have to till the soil, find the seeds till

2389
02:12:09,680 --> 02:12:12,040
Speaker 4: you have to be able to eat it. And when

2390
02:12:12,080 --> 02:12:14,080
Speaker 4: it comes to fruition you have to harvest it.

2391
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:15,480
Speaker 5: You have to.

2392
02:12:17,200 --> 02:12:23,800
Speaker 4: Preserve it and store it for nine months. Now nine

2393
02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:27,120
Speaker 4: months for the three months of work says that if

2394
02:12:27,160 --> 02:12:30,440
Speaker 4: you don't do it in that timeframe, then you're out.

2395
02:12:31,400 --> 02:12:34,560
Speaker 4: So for the European time begins at A and ends

2396
02:12:34,600 --> 02:12:38,200
Speaker 4: at B. But if you come from a tropical area,

2397
02:12:38,320 --> 02:12:42,480
Speaker 4: there is no A and B. Food is zomnipresent. So

2398
02:12:42,760 --> 02:12:46,720
Speaker 4: for the European the object was food to survive the

2399
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:52,240
Speaker 4: nine months, and whatever is necessary to survive, like taking

2400
02:12:52,400 --> 02:12:56,440
Speaker 4: that rock and going to your neighbor and bashing out

2401
02:12:56,480 --> 02:12:59,839
Speaker 4: his brains for whatever food he had so you could survive,

2402
02:13:00,680 --> 02:13:05,160
Speaker 4: was the norm. Sharing does not come into Europe as

2403
02:13:05,200 --> 02:13:10,480
Speaker 4: a concept until Christianity comes, so it's a long way

2404
02:13:10,760 --> 02:13:14,200
Speaker 4: for Europeans to have had no concept or no caring

2405
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:18,920
Speaker 4: for sharing. I have, and it's if you look at

2406
02:13:19,000 --> 02:13:22,720
Speaker 4: anything that they talk about poschi to er coosoom I

2407
02:13:22,920 --> 02:13:27,520
Speaker 4: think therefore I am, everything is I, and everything is

2408
02:13:27,600 --> 02:13:32,480
Speaker 4: focused on the ignus of the European male. It was

2409
02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:36,560
Speaker 4: because they did not have enough. They could not survive

2410
02:13:36,760 --> 02:13:39,480
Speaker 4: all of those nine months unless they were able to

2411
02:13:40,280 --> 02:13:43,400
Speaker 4: take it from someone else or defend it from someone

2412
02:13:43,480 --> 02:13:47,560
Speaker 4: else getting theirs. So that's the idea of.

2413
02:13:47,600 --> 02:13:49,280
Speaker 5: This savage kind of individual.

2414
02:13:49,960 --> 02:13:54,560
Speaker 4: Now, when they began to travel around the world, they

2415
02:13:54,640 --> 02:13:58,160
Speaker 4: saw things that were completely different. You were in places

2416
02:13:58,200 --> 02:14:02,320
Speaker 4: where food was omnipresent. This is where the whole world

2417
02:14:02,480 --> 02:14:05,760
Speaker 4: was different from what you experienced in Europe. And so

2418
02:14:06,600 --> 02:14:11,280
Speaker 4: because they had the imprint of I have to have

2419
02:14:11,480 --> 02:14:17,960
Speaker 4: it all now. When the job situation back in the

2420
02:14:18,640 --> 02:14:23,080
Speaker 4: late eighties, they were talking about blacks having a piece

2421
02:14:23,240 --> 02:14:24,200
Speaker 4: of the pie.

2422
02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:26,480
Speaker 8: For jobs.

2423
02:14:27,640 --> 02:14:35,000
Speaker 4: Well, in the European mind, that's our pie you don't have.

2424
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:38,520
Speaker 4: You're an American citizen, you're part of America. You should

2425
02:14:38,520 --> 02:14:43,760
Speaker 4: be a part of the pie. No, that's our pie. Begrudgingly,

2426
02:14:45,200 --> 02:14:48,840
Speaker 4: they accept the fact that, Okay, this piece of our

2427
02:14:49,040 --> 02:14:53,720
Speaker 4: pie is going to go to you. Now when the

2428
02:14:53,800 --> 02:14:58,360
Speaker 4: other group's Hispanic Asians, that others began to demand a

2429
02:14:58,480 --> 02:15:04,000
Speaker 4: piece of the pie, Isa, no, no, the minority piece

2430
02:15:04,040 --> 02:15:06,640
Speaker 4: of the pie is one of the bright people have.

2431
02:15:06,720 --> 02:15:08,720
Speaker 4: You got to get a piece of that. So that's

2432
02:15:08,720 --> 02:15:11,160
Speaker 4: when you get the slittering and splinnering and splintering, not

2433
02:15:12,280 --> 02:15:15,840
Speaker 4: proportionally from the big pie, but each person, each ethnic

2434
02:15:15,920 --> 02:15:20,960
Speaker 4: group deserves, or their population wise, but always just in

2435
02:15:21,080 --> 02:15:24,200
Speaker 4: this little piece. Begrudgingly, that's all we're going to give

2436
02:15:24,200 --> 02:15:31,520
Speaker 4: to minorities. So the whole idea of white survival in

2437
02:15:31,720 --> 02:15:34,920
Speaker 4: order to survive and thrive in the climate in which

2438
02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:38,160
Speaker 4: they found themselves in north central Europe at the end

2439
02:15:38,240 --> 02:15:42,200
Speaker 4: of the last ice age develops these behaviors that you're

2440
02:15:42,240 --> 02:15:48,040
Speaker 4: talking about, their behaviors to survive and thrive. And if

2441
02:15:48,080 --> 02:15:51,160
Speaker 4: I have to take a stone and bash your brains

2442
02:15:51,200 --> 02:15:53,720
Speaker 4: out so that I can get the food you're storing,

2443
02:15:54,160 --> 02:15:57,000
Speaker 4: to take care of my family and best.

2444
02:15:56,880 --> 02:16:01,720
Speaker 1: The game, all right, hold up through right there, doctor Nickols.

2445
02:16:01,720 --> 02:16:03,200
Speaker 1: Weve got to step aside and take a short break

2446
02:16:03,200 --> 02:16:05,640
Speaker 1: so our stations can identify themselves down the line. But

2447
02:16:05,720 --> 02:16:07,160
Speaker 1: when we come back, I want to ask you. We

2448
02:16:07,280 --> 02:16:09,920
Speaker 1: had a debate on the program a few weeks ago

2449
02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:12,840
Speaker 1: about whether or not black should join the military. Many

2450
02:16:12,920 --> 02:16:16,680
Speaker 1: folks fail that we shouldn't they, you know, stood by

2451
02:16:16,760 --> 02:16:19,200
Speaker 1: what Muhammad Ali did, And some other folks say, yeah,

2452
02:16:19,200 --> 02:16:22,880
Speaker 1: we should. It's patriotic, we should fight for this country

2453
02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:25,440
Speaker 1: that gave give us birth. What are your thoughts. I'll

2454
02:16:25,480 --> 02:16:27,160
Speaker 1: let you respond to that when we get back, because

2455
02:16:27,200 --> 02:16:29,200
Speaker 1: I know you've been in the military as well. Family,

2456
02:16:29,240 --> 02:16:31,320
Speaker 1: you two can join our conversation with our guest, doctor

2457
02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:33,440
Speaker 1: Edwin Nichols. He's one of the smartest brothers we have

2458
02:16:33,800 --> 02:16:35,840
Speaker 1: on the planet. These are one of the founders of

2459
02:16:35,879 --> 02:16:39,080
Speaker 1: the National Black National Association of Black Psychologists. You want

2460
02:16:39,120 --> 02:16:40,920
Speaker 1: to reach him, hit us up at eight hundred four

2461
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:43,760
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

2462
02:16:43,800 --> 02:16:46,760
Speaker 1: a phone calls next and Grand Rising Family, thanks us

2463
02:16:46,760 --> 02:16:48,880
Speaker 1: sticking with us on this Thursday morning. Call first and

2464
02:16:48,920 --> 02:16:51,520
Speaker 1: morning here on the East Coast. Our guests is doctor

2465
02:16:51,640 --> 02:16:54,240
Speaker 1: Edward Nichols. Doctor Nicholson mentioned before the break was one

2466
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:58,160
Speaker 1: of the founding members of the National Association of Black Psychologists.

2467
02:16:58,400 --> 02:17:00,560
Speaker 1: It's one of the smartest brothers we have on the planet.

2468
02:17:00,640 --> 02:17:02,320
Speaker 1: Before we go back to the let me just remind

2469
02:17:02,360 --> 02:17:05,240
Speaker 1: you there's a special meeting for a family in Baltimore.

2470
02:17:05,360 --> 02:17:09,280
Speaker 1: It seems like the Collision School for Boys has gone

2471
02:17:09,320 --> 02:17:11,920
Speaker 1: some sort of a reprieve. You know, the city council

2472
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:14,080
Speaker 1: is trying to close the school. So they have a

2473
02:17:14,120 --> 02:17:16,720
Speaker 1: big meeting tonight at six o'clock. And the school's located

2474
02:17:16,760 --> 02:17:19,880
Speaker 1: at twenty five twenty five Kirk Avenue in Baltimore. See

2475
02:17:19,879 --> 02:17:20,880
Speaker 1: if you can make it to go out there and

2476
02:17:20,920 --> 02:17:22,960
Speaker 1: show your support because we're trying to help them keep

2477
02:17:22,959 --> 02:17:26,400
Speaker 1: the school for black boys open. Doctor Nichols, as I mentioned,

2478
02:17:26,440 --> 02:17:28,840
Speaker 1: before the break too. You know, we had this discussion.

2479
02:17:29,400 --> 02:17:32,119
Speaker 1: We broke down on both sides by joining the military

2480
02:17:32,160 --> 02:17:34,800
Speaker 1: for black men, should black men join the military? I

2481
02:17:35,040 --> 02:17:37,520
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on that. You know, in

2482
02:17:37,640 --> 02:17:40,280
Speaker 1: my age, it was we were following with Muhammad Ali

2483
02:17:40,440 --> 02:17:42,160
Speaker 1: told us, she says, those folks are the viet Cong

2484
02:17:42,440 --> 02:17:44,800
Speaker 1: and they never call us the end where we don't

2485
02:17:44,840 --> 02:17:46,039
Speaker 1: have a beef with them. We don't even know where

2486
02:17:46,160 --> 02:17:48,720
Speaker 1: Vietnam was at the time, so we weren't going. And

2487
02:17:48,840 --> 02:17:51,520
Speaker 1: I followed that that trend of thought. But some people

2488
02:17:51,560 --> 02:17:53,560
Speaker 1: felt that they owe the country something. That's what they

2489
02:17:53,600 --> 02:17:56,200
Speaker 1: tell us. Is it a generational thing? Because I know

2490
02:17:56,320 --> 02:17:59,200
Speaker 1: you were in the military. What say you about should

2491
02:17:59,520 --> 02:18:03,080
Speaker 1: should and women at this point now you join the military.

2492
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:09,760
Speaker 4: Well, the military has been and is a door opener

2493
02:18:09,879 --> 02:18:12,280
Speaker 4: for many blacks. It's an opportunity.

2494
02:18:13,080 --> 02:18:13,600
Speaker 14: There are a lot.

2495
02:18:13,720 --> 02:18:15,880
Speaker 4: Let me give you an example. If you're if you

2496
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:19,680
Speaker 4: are a child that has been raised in the system

2497
02:18:20,320 --> 02:18:24,640
Speaker 4: of where you've been taken away from your parents and

2498
02:18:24,760 --> 02:18:29,880
Speaker 4: raised within the system with foster parents. At eighteen on

2499
02:18:30,080 --> 02:18:32,640
Speaker 4: that day, that's when you are out of the system

2500
02:18:32,680 --> 02:18:35,080
Speaker 4: and you have no place to go. There's no money,

2501
02:18:35,280 --> 02:18:37,720
Speaker 4: there's no They give you a little stipend, but there's

2502
02:18:37,760 --> 02:18:40,959
Speaker 4: no place that you can go. You have no skills, nothing,

2503
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:45,119
Speaker 4: And many people enter into the military it's been two

2504
02:18:45,240 --> 02:18:48,680
Speaker 4: years or four and they come out with some skills,

2505
02:18:48,760 --> 02:18:53,040
Speaker 4: some training and what have you. That's one avenue that

2506
02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:57,520
Speaker 4: is used now. The other thing is that I personally

2507
02:18:57,640 --> 02:19:03,560
Speaker 4: feel that at least least one year should be mandatory.

2508
02:19:04,480 --> 02:19:10,360
Speaker 4: Now why because a lot of the young men that

2509
02:19:10,840 --> 02:19:16,680
Speaker 4: drop out of high school don't have any skills at all,

2510
02:19:18,080 --> 02:19:22,200
Speaker 4: and they don't have any sense of organization of their day.

2511
02:19:23,520 --> 02:19:28,280
Speaker 4: In other words, they get up late, they don't do anything,

2512
02:19:29,000 --> 02:19:31,279
Speaker 4: and then that's how they get into difficulty in trouble

2513
02:19:31,360 --> 02:19:35,400
Speaker 4: because there is no direction. When you're in the army.

2514
02:19:35,520 --> 02:19:40,560
Speaker 4: They make you get up, get dressed, go outside into formation,

2515
02:19:41,240 --> 02:19:46,240
Speaker 4: and then go to your detail and work. That is

2516
02:19:46,360 --> 02:19:49,120
Speaker 4: a structure that many people don't have or don't know

2517
02:19:49,240 --> 02:19:49,720
Speaker 4: how to do.

2518
02:19:52,720 --> 02:19:52,760
Speaker 5: It.

2519
02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:56,320
Speaker 4: So there's two ways of looking at this. I see

2520
02:19:56,360 --> 02:19:59,520
Speaker 4: it as a skill they need to learn for a year.

2521
02:19:59,680 --> 02:20:03,080
Speaker 4: Others see it in times of we're going to fight

2522
02:20:03,200 --> 02:20:07,680
Speaker 4: for causes that are not always ours. So it's an

2523
02:20:07,760 --> 02:20:12,080
Speaker 4: individual thing. I'm not giving a mass thing for everyone.

2524
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:15,800
Speaker 4: I'm simply saying that if it were like a peace

2525
02:20:15,879 --> 02:20:18,360
Speaker 4: Corps or some other not not peace corps, but like

2526
02:20:20,959 --> 02:20:27,400
Speaker 4: the job corps, where again, get up, get dressed, have

2527
02:20:27,520 --> 02:20:31,879
Speaker 4: your breakfast, all of these routines that many children unfortunately

2528
02:20:31,959 --> 02:20:36,800
Speaker 4: don't have. Let me give you an example. There were

2529
02:20:37,040 --> 02:20:41,200
Speaker 4: there were other situations where the school calls the psychologist

2530
02:20:41,280 --> 02:20:44,080
Speaker 4: in to find out by this kid is always sleeping

2531
02:20:44,120 --> 02:20:47,200
Speaker 4: in class and always looks to shovels when they come

2532
02:20:47,240 --> 02:20:50,840
Speaker 4: to school. Well, you can say what's going on in

2533
02:20:50,920 --> 02:20:53,840
Speaker 4: the home, but what's going on in the home is

2534
02:20:53,920 --> 02:20:57,400
Speaker 4: the child sleeps on the couch, but people are sitting

2535
02:20:57,480 --> 02:21:00,359
Speaker 4: on the couch watching television until two in the morning.

2536
02:21:00,959 --> 02:21:03,760
Speaker 4: So where's he's sitting up in a chair trying to sleep.

2537
02:21:04,600 --> 02:21:06,880
Speaker 4: Finally he gets into the dead, then it's time to

2538
02:21:06,920 --> 02:21:11,119
Speaker 4: get up and go to school. These are not uncommon realities.

2539
02:21:11,720 --> 02:21:15,560
Speaker 4: So for an individual to be in an environment where

2540
02:21:15,720 --> 02:21:19,960
Speaker 4: they have obligations and responsibility to get up, get trusted

2541
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:22,200
Speaker 4: and do that. There are enough people who need that

2542
02:21:22,360 --> 02:21:25,959
Speaker 4: kind of structure for others. If you grow up at

2543
02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:29,680
Speaker 4: my mother's house and that was not an issue, okay,

2544
02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:33,680
Speaker 4: no dirty issues in the sink, Okay, don't leave the

2545
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:35,560
Speaker 4: glass in the sink or anything. We're not gonna have

2546
02:21:35,720 --> 02:21:40,240
Speaker 4: roaches in this house. So depends on where you were raised.

2547
02:21:40,280 --> 02:21:43,280
Speaker 4: But there are enough people who don't have a sense

2548
02:21:43,320 --> 02:21:48,200
Speaker 4: about get up and do something that the army gets

2549
02:21:48,200 --> 02:21:53,880
Speaker 4: structured to. So you know, are you going to fight

2550
02:21:54,080 --> 02:21:59,760
Speaker 4: for I don't know. Maybe we were in the Korean conflict,

2551
02:22:00,160 --> 02:22:03,160
Speaker 4: that's when I was in the military, but we had

2552
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:08,040
Speaker 4: black officers from World War Two, and the fact that

2553
02:22:08,120 --> 02:22:16,000
Speaker 4: we had black officers the army generals, in spite of

2554
02:22:17,440 --> 02:22:21,560
Speaker 4: President Truman's executive orders saying that you have to integrate

2555
02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:25,000
Speaker 4: the forces, they didn't want to integrate us. So we're

2556
02:22:25,000 --> 02:22:29,240
Speaker 4: at Fort Was Washington and we're an all black unit,

2557
02:22:29,360 --> 02:22:35,680
Speaker 4: including colonel to majors, lots of captains. That meant if

2558
02:22:35,720 --> 02:22:39,120
Speaker 4: they broke us up, Pr. Nichols was no problem, just

2559
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:45,080
Speaker 4: stop being any white battalion. But our officer Corps would

2560
02:22:45,120 --> 02:22:49,000
Speaker 4: say that you're going to have black officers over white

2561
02:22:49,120 --> 02:22:52,960
Speaker 4: officers in combat for the first time in American history,

2562
02:22:53,000 --> 02:22:54,600
Speaker 4: and we didn't know who would kill home, so they

2563
02:22:54,760 --> 02:22:58,720
Speaker 4: kept us at Fort was Washington. This is a time

2564
02:22:58,879 --> 02:23:02,160
Speaker 4: when the when there were draft quarters that had to

2565
02:23:02,200 --> 02:23:05,920
Speaker 4: be met the South met their draft quotas with black men.

2566
02:23:07,000 --> 02:23:11,000
Speaker 4: They filled their quarta with blacks. They shipped them out

2567
02:23:11,000 --> 02:23:13,280
Speaker 4: to forts Washington. Here you have all these black men

2568
02:23:13,360 --> 02:23:16,240
Speaker 4: on Lily White Fort was Washington, and we're don't do

2569
02:23:16,280 --> 02:23:19,720
Speaker 4: with them. They changed our battalion from combat engineer battalions

2570
02:23:20,640 --> 02:23:24,280
Speaker 4: to a combat engineer battalion, but for training. So all

2571
02:23:24,360 --> 02:23:26,560
Speaker 4: the black guys that came through were trained to be

2572
02:23:26,680 --> 02:23:31,240
Speaker 4: combat engineers and then sent to Korea. Eventually, they send

2573
02:23:31,320 --> 02:23:35,360
Speaker 4: us to occupation in Germany. And you cannot imagine how

2574
02:23:35,440 --> 02:23:38,160
Speaker 4: much we cried, Oh, please, don't send us to Germany

2575
02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:41,880
Speaker 4: to occupation. Please don't send us over there. We'll have

2576
02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:44,520
Speaker 4: to sit in beer gardens and drink. We'll have to

2577
02:23:44,600 --> 02:23:47,240
Speaker 4: go out and dance and have all the fun. Don't

2578
02:23:47,280 --> 02:23:49,480
Speaker 4: send us, Please don't send the Well they sent us,

2579
02:23:49,959 --> 02:23:53,600
Speaker 4: we had did all the things. Now here's something interesting

2580
02:23:53,680 --> 02:23:58,320
Speaker 4: that you wouldn't see in the records. The idea was

2581
02:23:58,440 --> 02:24:02,560
Speaker 4: that the Russians would come across the Order and into Germany,

2582
02:24:03,360 --> 02:24:04,880
Speaker 4: and the first thing that they would do would be

2583
02:24:04,959 --> 02:24:08,240
Speaker 4: to build the bridges so that Americans couldn't get across.

2584
02:24:09,080 --> 02:24:13,359
Speaker 4: Combat Engineer Battalion has to build pontoon bridges or treadway

2585
02:24:13,400 --> 02:24:17,640
Speaker 4: bridges across the Rye to get American troops across. Should

2586
02:24:17,680 --> 02:24:23,200
Speaker 4: that occur. Our battalion in nineteen fifty two built a

2587
02:24:23,320 --> 02:24:28,040
Speaker 4: treadway bridge across the ride on a Sunday, and the

2588
02:24:28,240 --> 02:24:30,920
Speaker 4: record the time that it took us to build it

2589
02:24:31,360 --> 02:24:34,960
Speaker 4: has never been beaten since nineteen fifty two. That's a

2590
02:24:35,040 --> 02:24:36,680
Speaker 4: black battalion with black officers.

2591
02:24:40,440 --> 02:24:42,640
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, though, Nicholas, how did

2592
02:24:42,680 --> 02:24:46,520
Speaker 1: it feel you did and you fought in an combat

2593
02:24:47,120 --> 02:24:49,680
Speaker 1: and he came back and you're still discriminating against Did

2594
02:24:49,800 --> 02:24:52,760
Speaker 1: you have a bias remorse coming back to the States

2595
02:24:52,800 --> 02:24:53,360
Speaker 1: after the Eagle?

2596
02:24:53,400 --> 02:24:53,560
Speaker 8: Look?

2597
02:24:53,600 --> 02:24:55,080
Speaker 1: I just fought for these guys, and look at how

2598
02:24:55,080 --> 02:24:57,120
Speaker 1: they're treating me and people that I fought against it.

2599
02:24:57,240 --> 02:25:00,080
Speaker 1: When they come here they get treated better than and

2600
02:25:00,200 --> 02:25:02,160
Speaker 1: I am. Does that bother you at all?

2601
02:25:03,480 --> 02:25:07,440
Speaker 4: Well, you have you have a pill. Half of it's bitter,

2602
02:25:07,560 --> 02:25:10,400
Speaker 4: half of its sweet. The sweet part was I got

2603
02:25:10,440 --> 02:25:13,080
Speaker 4: the GI Bill four years of education and I was

2604
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:16,920
Speaker 4: able to get my degree. I would not have had

2605
02:25:17,600 --> 02:25:20,920
Speaker 4: the money be able to go away to school and

2606
02:25:21,440 --> 02:25:24,520
Speaker 4: all that that the GI Bill afforded me. So you

2607
02:25:24,640 --> 02:25:27,039
Speaker 4: have to weigh out what it is that you want

2608
02:25:27,160 --> 02:25:31,720
Speaker 4: to do, what do you want to accomplish. So if

2609
02:25:32,120 --> 02:25:34,560
Speaker 4: GI bill is what is going to get you through college,

2610
02:25:34,640 --> 02:25:38,640
Speaker 4: then you have to swallow that pill. Now, you know,

2611
02:25:39,000 --> 02:25:42,120
Speaker 4: in terms of how I feel about the wars and

2612
02:25:42,200 --> 02:25:45,360
Speaker 4: all that sort of stuff, I'm able to voice myself

2613
02:25:45,480 --> 02:25:49,880
Speaker 4: now or what have you. But I, you know, I

2614
02:25:54,440 --> 02:26:00,240
Speaker 4: it's just it's just very difficult to say. We thought

2615
02:26:00,280 --> 02:26:02,280
Speaker 4: in every single ward those countries that have had and

2616
02:26:02,440 --> 02:26:06,320
Speaker 4: of course we still are mistreated. That is because once

2617
02:26:06,400 --> 02:26:11,520
Speaker 4: again we are culturated but not assimilated. And the assimilation

2618
02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:15,600
Speaker 4: is to keep an outside. You have an other that

2619
02:26:15,720 --> 02:26:19,520
Speaker 4: you can always attack. That's what we are in this

2620
02:26:19,800 --> 02:26:24,160
Speaker 4: in this culture, we are the other. So whatever comes up,

2621
02:26:24,240 --> 02:26:27,520
Speaker 4: you can always point to the other. They didn't do this,

2622
02:26:27,800 --> 02:26:32,640
Speaker 4: they lived like this. They're bad, They're all the others.

2623
02:26:32,840 --> 02:26:35,920
Speaker 4: That's who we are. Now. How we can change that,

2624
02:26:37,240 --> 02:26:40,800
Speaker 4: there's no magic formula for it. It's only it's only

2625
02:26:40,920 --> 02:26:44,560
Speaker 4: going to come, and it's coming now. When poor whites

2626
02:26:44,600 --> 02:26:48,800
Speaker 4: for the first time realize that they had been used

2627
02:26:48,959 --> 02:26:53,720
Speaker 4: and misused in their voting to get to keep the

2628
02:26:53,840 --> 02:26:59,440
Speaker 4: country divided, see the mindset of many of those people

2629
02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:02,120
Speaker 4: like in West Virginia and other places like that eastern

2630
02:27:02,200 --> 02:27:05,280
Speaker 4: part of Kentucky and so on. Is that I would

2631
02:27:05,400 --> 02:27:08,320
Speaker 4: rather do without health care. Here are my teeth rottening

2632
02:27:08,400 --> 02:27:11,840
Speaker 4: in my head. I have black lung disease, but I

2633
02:27:12,080 --> 02:27:15,200
Speaker 4: would go without any healthcare at all, just to make

2634
02:27:15,240 --> 02:27:20,200
Speaker 4: sure that you didn't get any That is the psychological

2635
02:27:20,400 --> 02:27:24,280
Speaker 4: thing that we have to change. And it is not

2636
02:27:24,440 --> 02:27:26,800
Speaker 4: something that we as an individual group can change. It

2637
02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:29,800
Speaker 4: is a It is a change that comes from the

2638
02:27:29,959 --> 02:27:33,680
Speaker 4: whole of the country. The best example I can give

2639
02:27:33,720 --> 02:27:38,800
Speaker 4: you is now when George Floyd everybody marched March to

2640
02:27:38,920 --> 02:27:44,080
Speaker 4: March March. Nothing changed. Other times March March, March, March March,

2641
02:27:44,240 --> 02:27:49,080
Speaker 4: nothing changed at this time to two white women, a

2642
02:27:49,160 --> 02:27:55,360
Speaker 4: white woman and a white man killed and ice is

2643
02:27:55,400 --> 02:27:57,000
Speaker 4: coming out of Minnesota today.

2644
02:27:57,440 --> 02:27:58,120
Speaker 5: That's the news.

2645
02:28:00,520 --> 02:28:04,640
Speaker 4: When it becomes a part of their group, their reality,

2646
02:28:05,480 --> 02:28:08,000
Speaker 4: then that's when it's going to be changed, and that's

2647
02:28:08,040 --> 02:28:11,240
Speaker 4: when it has merit. But let me share something with you.

2648
02:28:11,400 --> 02:28:17,240
Speaker 4: There's a very famous little shoe lines here. It's by

2649
02:28:17,480 --> 02:28:24,959
Speaker 4: a German pastor. His name is Martin I. Mulla. Pastor

2650
02:28:25,080 --> 02:28:32,160
Speaker 4: Muller was a Lutheran pastor and he writes this which

2651
02:28:32,280 --> 02:28:37,680
Speaker 4: is always talked about. He says, first they came for

2652
02:28:37,800 --> 02:28:42,520
Speaker 4: the communist and I did not speak out because I

2653
02:28:42,640 --> 02:28:46,520
Speaker 4: was not a communist. Then they came for the socialist.

2654
02:28:47,360 --> 02:28:50,119
Speaker 4: I did not speak out because I'm not a socialist.

2655
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:55,440
Speaker 4: Then they came for the trade unionist and I did

2656
02:28:55,520 --> 02:29:00,200
Speaker 4: not speak out because I'm not a trade unionist. Then

2657
02:29:00,280 --> 02:29:03,400
Speaker 4: they came for the Jews. I did not speak out.

2658
02:29:04,240 --> 02:29:08,920
Speaker 4: I'm not a Jew. Then they came for me and

2659
02:29:09,120 --> 02:29:12,440
Speaker 4: there was no one left to speak out for me.

2660
02:29:14,280 --> 02:29:18,960
Speaker 4: So that is what we have to do, speak out

2661
02:29:19,480 --> 02:29:22,560
Speaker 4: to be a part of those speak out that on

2662
02:29:22,680 --> 02:29:23,080
Speaker 4: the front.

2663
02:29:25,720 --> 02:29:27,680
Speaker 1: Do you think the thirteen half the at top of

2664
02:29:27,720 --> 02:29:30,120
Speaker 1: the doctor nixas, are we at that point now, at

2665
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:32,680
Speaker 1: this inflection point, now that two whites have been killed.

2666
02:29:33,280 --> 02:29:35,600
Speaker 1: We've been going through this since we've been here. Now

2667
02:29:35,640 --> 02:29:37,560
Speaker 1: there's two white folks have been killed. Do you think

2668
02:29:37,600 --> 02:29:39,760
Speaker 1: this is a turning point all of a sudden. Now

2669
02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:42,720
Speaker 1: it's not just us as being you know, the victims

2670
02:29:43,440 --> 02:29:47,480
Speaker 1: of you know, race soldiers, but now what they're involved too.

2671
02:29:47,800 --> 02:29:50,120
Speaker 1: Are looking at this through a different lens, if you will.

2672
02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:54,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think this is very clear to us

2673
02:29:55,720 --> 02:29:58,200
Speaker 4: when as long as it was somebody else. It didn't matter.

2674
02:29:58,520 --> 02:30:01,200
Speaker 4: I mean, we marched sid It's bad and what have you.

2675
02:30:01,720 --> 02:30:06,560
Speaker 4: But an action taken to actually change something is now

2676
02:30:06,600 --> 02:30:09,040
Speaker 4: taking place. Because you have two white people that were killed.

2677
02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:17,800
Speaker 4: They this morning, they are taking the ice out of Minnesota. Okay,

2678
02:30:18,120 --> 02:30:22,520
Speaker 4: they're coming out. And that's because it happened to white people.

2679
02:30:23,720 --> 02:30:28,320
Speaker 4: Now white people are beginning to be very concerned about

2680
02:30:28,879 --> 02:30:32,120
Speaker 4: what's going on. What is going on is the President

2681
02:30:32,280 --> 02:30:36,400
Speaker 4: is trying, through the Supreme Court, to be able to

2682
02:30:36,600 --> 02:30:43,240
Speaker 4: send troops into cities. The Constitution says that the military

2683
02:30:43,400 --> 02:30:48,080
Speaker 4: may not be used for civilian situations. In other words,

2684
02:30:48,120 --> 02:30:51,600
Speaker 4: you can't have an army fighting their own people. You

2685
02:30:51,720 --> 02:30:55,040
Speaker 4: can't have that. The army has to stay out. I

2686
02:30:55,120 --> 02:30:57,720
Speaker 4: can have a National Guard that protects you can have

2687
02:30:57,920 --> 02:31:00,240
Speaker 4: all kinds of things like that. But you can have

2688
02:31:00,360 --> 02:31:03,280
Speaker 4: the United States Army march into a city and take

2689
02:31:03,320 --> 02:31:08,440
Speaker 4: over the city and brutalize its population. It's against the Constitution.

2690
02:31:09,480 --> 02:31:09,760
Speaker 5: Okay.

2691
02:31:10,480 --> 02:31:17,720
Speaker 4: Now, through manipulation of ancient laws and anything possible, this

2692
02:31:17,920 --> 02:31:22,320
Speaker 4: president is trying to be able to do that, to

2693
02:31:22,520 --> 02:31:26,800
Speaker 4: bring troops in the question is why is he doing that.

2694
02:31:29,080 --> 02:31:30,959
Speaker 10: He knows that.

2695
02:31:31,680 --> 02:31:35,120
Speaker 4: Mid year you lose one of the houses, and he's

2696
02:31:35,120 --> 02:31:39,800
Speaker 4: afraid he might lose both. So what is he doing.

2697
02:31:40,720 --> 02:31:43,760
Speaker 4: He is putting the nose of the camel into the

2698
02:31:43,879 --> 02:31:47,280
Speaker 4: tent by trying to see if this will work, or

2699
02:31:47,360 --> 02:31:50,360
Speaker 4: that will work, or this will work. And the moment

2700
02:31:50,520 --> 02:31:55,959
Speaker 4: he gets an opening legal or otherwise that he can

2701
02:31:56,120 --> 02:32:02,440
Speaker 4: put troops into the city, then he can then control

2702
02:32:02,520 --> 02:32:07,760
Speaker 4: the ballot boxes. He can say that the ballots are

2703
02:32:07,879 --> 02:32:12,800
Speaker 4: being jeopardized in Washington, d C. What we don't have

2704
02:32:12,879 --> 02:32:16,360
Speaker 4: that much to do with in Atlanta, and he can

2705
02:32:16,480 --> 02:32:20,280
Speaker 4: go into all the districts that would be voting against him,

2706
02:32:21,200 --> 02:32:25,840
Speaker 4: pick up the ballot boxes to protect them, and then

2707
02:32:25,879 --> 02:32:26,400
Speaker 4: who knows.

2708
02:32:26,320 --> 02:32:27,200
Speaker 5: What happens to them.

2709
02:32:28,800 --> 02:32:31,119
Speaker 4: White people are coming to that awareness and they're talking

2710
02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:35,520
Speaker 4: about it. They're talking about it, and they're concerned about it.

2711
02:32:36,760 --> 02:32:43,760
Speaker 4: So if that group becomes alarmed about it sufficiently, then

2712
02:32:44,120 --> 02:32:46,600
Speaker 4: the election will come up. But to let me tell you,

2713
02:32:46,760 --> 02:32:49,160
Speaker 4: this election is going to be a hard, hard thing.

2714
02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:52,879
Speaker 4: There's going to be a lot of ballot recounting. There

2715
02:32:52,959 --> 02:32:58,200
Speaker 4: wad be ballots that are lost. Here. The post office

2716
02:32:58,280 --> 02:33:01,320
Speaker 4: always had when the mail comes in stamped, and you

2717
02:33:01,600 --> 02:33:05,160
Speaker 4: know when it came in. Now it's being held in

2718
02:33:05,240 --> 02:33:08,160
Speaker 4: a dance until such time as they get enough of it,

2719
02:33:08,240 --> 02:33:11,280
Speaker 4: and then they'll stamp it. What kind of nonsense is that?

2720
02:33:13,000 --> 02:33:15,760
Speaker 4: So if you're going to mail your ballot in, take

2721
02:33:15,840 --> 02:33:18,480
Speaker 4: it to the post office and have it physically stamped,

2722
02:33:20,120 --> 02:33:24,120
Speaker 4: then your ballot counts. Put it into the mailbox, it

2723
02:33:24,240 --> 02:33:27,320
Speaker 4: may not be counted until there's efficient enough number to

2724
02:33:27,560 --> 02:33:30,800
Speaker 4: run them through and dated with that day. See, you

2725
02:33:30,959 --> 02:33:34,120
Speaker 4: have to be vigilant in terms of what is it,

2726
02:33:34,400 --> 02:33:37,480
Speaker 4: what are they doing? Why are they doing this? Why

2727
02:33:37,560 --> 02:33:40,520
Speaker 4: are they changing the post office system that they had

2728
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:43,640
Speaker 4: for a thousand or it's better organization, it's more modern,

2729
02:33:43,680 --> 02:33:44,560
Speaker 4: it's more up to dated.

2730
02:33:45,040 --> 02:33:45,640
Speaker 5: Is it really?

2731
02:33:47,879 --> 02:33:52,200
Speaker 4: So many people the only thing that they have is

2732
02:33:52,480 --> 02:33:55,200
Speaker 4: look at the postmark. That's when I sent it in.

2733
02:33:56,320 --> 02:33:59,400
Speaker 4: That's the only thing that they have to justify their cost.

2734
02:34:00,080 --> 02:34:04,000
Speaker 4: And for years that's been all that was necessary. His

2735
02:34:04,120 --> 02:34:08,400
Speaker 4: foot is the postmark on the on the envelope. But now,

2736
02:34:09,320 --> 02:34:12,199
Speaker 4: well it might be three four days later.

2737
02:34:12,720 --> 02:34:14,800
Speaker 1: Right, and hold up thought. You just got to take

2738
02:34:14,800 --> 02:34:16,480
Speaker 1: a quick break, So hold that thought right down. Let

2739
02:34:16,520 --> 02:34:18,600
Speaker 1: you finish your thought when you come back, and we've

2740
02:34:18,640 --> 02:34:20,600
Speaker 1: got some folks want to talk to you. Eighteen minutes

2741
02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:22,480
Speaker 1: after the top, they have family. I guess it's doctor

2742
02:34:22,600 --> 02:34:24,600
Speaker 1: Edward Nichols. You want to speak to him eight hundred

2743
02:34:24,720 --> 02:34:27,760
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll

2744
02:34:27,840 --> 02:34:30,520
Speaker 1: take all your calls. Next and Grand Rising family, I

2745
02:34:30,600 --> 02:34:33,200
Speaker 1: guess it's doctor Edward Nichols. And Doctor's got some folks

2746
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:34,200
Speaker 1: who want to talk to you. But I got a

2747
02:34:34,240 --> 02:34:36,400
Speaker 1: real quick question for you, because we talked about the

2748
02:34:36,520 --> 02:34:41,120
Speaker 1: two folks that were killed by ice unfortunately, and America's

2749
02:34:41,680 --> 02:34:43,880
Speaker 1: grappling now with his conscience. We saw the same thing

2750
02:34:43,920 --> 02:34:46,480
Speaker 1: happen after George Floyd. Because we've been telling them about

2751
02:34:46,480 --> 02:34:49,000
Speaker 1: these race soldiers for decades. We've been tell them this

2752
02:34:49,120 --> 02:34:51,600
Speaker 1: thing goes on, but it was there was no camera,

2753
02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:54,959
Speaker 1: there's nothing to do, you know, memorialize it so people

2754
02:34:54,959 --> 02:34:57,840
Speaker 1: could see it that it took place. But it happened.

2755
02:34:57,920 --> 02:35:00,280
Speaker 1: George went from the our eyes. So after that there

2756
02:35:00,280 --> 02:35:03,280
Speaker 1: was a period of which I call, you know, white

2757
02:35:03,320 --> 02:35:05,800
Speaker 1: folks whore bending over back was oh, this is we're sorry,

2758
02:35:05,840 --> 02:35:07,920
Speaker 1: and you're giving me this and yeah, we didn't know

2759
02:35:08,040 --> 02:35:10,400
Speaker 1: it before and it was unfortunate that I make sort

2760
02:35:10,400 --> 02:35:11,960
Speaker 1: of help. And then all of a sudden it dissipated,

2761
02:35:12,120 --> 02:35:15,120
Speaker 1: they went back to being what they what they really are.

2762
02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:17,160
Speaker 1: Do you think we're going to see a period of

2763
02:35:17,240 --> 02:35:19,119
Speaker 1: that now with what happened to these two white folks

2764
02:35:19,600 --> 02:35:21,560
Speaker 1: that they got lost their lives, and they's going to

2765
02:35:21,640 --> 02:35:24,480
Speaker 1: have that period of warning and everybody's national events and oh,

2766
02:35:24,560 --> 02:35:26,280
Speaker 1: let's get rid of ice and all that then and

2767
02:35:26,360 --> 02:35:28,720
Speaker 1: then after a couple of months, if it dissipates and

2768
02:35:28,800 --> 02:35:30,920
Speaker 1: they go back to being who they really are, you

2769
02:35:30,959 --> 02:35:31,840
Speaker 1: think that's going to happen.

2770
02:35:33,480 --> 02:35:37,160
Speaker 4: Well, I think that we're at a point where it

2771
02:35:37,400 --> 02:35:40,240
Speaker 4: may not happen. In other words, you're going to be compromises.

2772
02:35:40,400 --> 02:35:45,240
Speaker 4: It won't be you won't completely not sunned ice, but

2773
02:35:45,400 --> 02:35:48,160
Speaker 4: you may have a significant change and how the money

2774
02:35:48,280 --> 02:35:53,920
Speaker 4: is spent, okay, so that in other words, it won't

2775
02:35:53,959 --> 02:35:56,800
Speaker 4: go everything won't go back completely as it was before.

2776
02:35:56,879 --> 02:36:02,480
Speaker 4: You have watch dogs watching it, and you'll have to

2777
02:36:02,640 --> 02:36:05,680
Speaker 4: have a pattern by which ice can be moved out

2778
02:36:05,720 --> 02:36:09,119
Speaker 4: of the state. Once a pattern is established, and others

2779
02:36:09,160 --> 02:36:14,800
Speaker 4: can utilize the same pattern. So there's there's a there's

2780
02:36:14,840 --> 02:36:19,400
Speaker 4: a growing conscious awareness among white people that something is

2781
02:36:19,480 --> 02:36:24,560
Speaker 4: happening to our democracy, and some are very disturbed about it,

2782
02:36:25,520 --> 02:36:29,920
Speaker 4: and and wanting change. But the president is very vindictive.

2783
02:36:30,160 --> 02:36:34,680
Speaker 4: If you cross him, he'll get you. And there are

2784
02:36:34,680 --> 02:36:37,200
Speaker 4: a lot of people who want to keep their positions

2785
02:36:37,240 --> 02:36:40,240
Speaker 4: in the Senate and in the Congress, and they go

2786
02:36:40,360 --> 02:36:46,520
Speaker 4: along to get along. And that's that is changing. Not

2787
02:36:47,280 --> 02:36:49,600
Speaker 4: as much or as rapidly as we wanted. It's going

2788
02:36:49,640 --> 02:36:55,199
Speaker 4: to take a couple more events that are shattering the change.

2789
02:36:55,440 --> 02:36:58,480
Speaker 4: You would have thought that January sixth would have changed

2790
02:36:58,520 --> 02:37:01,840
Speaker 4: a lot of people's minds, and they said so as

2791
02:37:01,920 --> 02:37:04,400
Speaker 4: it was occurring, but there was within a week they

2792
02:37:04,520 --> 02:37:09,000
Speaker 4: changed their mind I mean, just think of what that

2793
02:37:09,200 --> 02:37:11,360
Speaker 4: storming was of the of the Capitol. Look at all

2794
02:37:11,400 --> 02:37:17,000
Speaker 4: those people rioting them up. And of course within forty

2795
02:37:17,000 --> 02:37:19,400
Speaker 4: eight hours they were back to saying, well, you know

2796
02:37:20,160 --> 02:37:23,480
Speaker 4: this is our president. This is blah blah blah, and

2797
02:37:23,600 --> 02:37:24,560
Speaker 4: they re elected him.

2798
02:37:26,480 --> 02:37:30,320
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, folks, want to talk to you.

2799
02:37:31,480 --> 02:37:39,039
Speaker 4: Yes, right ahead, No, I before we close, there are

2800
02:37:39,040 --> 02:37:40,680
Speaker 4: a couple of books that I want to talk about,

2801
02:37:42,400 --> 02:37:45,640
Speaker 4: one for children, one for adults, and some of the

2802
02:37:45,800 --> 02:37:49,400
Speaker 4: some remedies that we can use in this time when

2803
02:37:49,440 --> 02:37:50,600
Speaker 4: there's so much confusion.

2804
02:37:57,120 --> 02:37:59,879
Speaker 1: Glo, yeah, go ahead. Mentioned the books that we got

2805
02:38:00,120 --> 02:38:01,120
Speaker 1: follows questions for you.

2806
02:38:01,720 --> 02:38:03,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, get the questions.

2807
02:38:03,000 --> 02:38:03,840
Speaker 5: I'll take the questions.

2808
02:38:03,879 --> 02:38:06,160
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's all with Johnny's Gone from Long

2809
02:38:06,200 --> 02:38:09,280
Speaker 1: Beach in California's online Wine Grand Rising Johnny with doctor

2810
02:38:09,360 --> 02:38:11,199
Speaker 1: Nichols The Rise.

2811
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:11,720
Speaker 5: Of the both of you.

2812
02:38:12,760 --> 02:38:15,760
Speaker 8: Doctor. You know, I had a choice to make when

2813
02:38:15,760 --> 02:38:19,440
Speaker 8: I was twenty one, you know, and I chose to

2814
02:38:19,520 --> 02:38:22,320
Speaker 8: go into the military. Well, I you know, I you know,

2815
02:38:22,360 --> 02:38:26,240
Speaker 8: I had you know, I called in this call show

2816
02:38:26,400 --> 02:38:28,760
Speaker 8: and said that I would the same thing. You said

2817
02:38:28,800 --> 02:38:33,280
Speaker 8: that perhaps, you know, young men should take a year,

2818
02:38:33,840 --> 02:38:37,119
Speaker 8: you know, going to the military and learn something, get

2819
02:38:37,160 --> 02:38:38,800
Speaker 8: off the streets and that. And that's what I was

2820
02:38:39,360 --> 02:38:42,480
Speaker 8: concerned about. Being on the street. Eventually, you're gonna get

2821
02:38:42,480 --> 02:38:45,560
Speaker 8: in trouble because a best friend of mine, he saw

2822
02:38:45,640 --> 02:38:47,800
Speaker 8: where I was heading, and he invit, you know, he

2823
02:38:48,480 --> 02:38:50,440
Speaker 8: he convinced me to go in the military because I

2824
02:38:50,920 --> 02:38:53,920
Speaker 8: thought i'd never go. It was the best move I

2825
02:38:53,959 --> 02:38:57,920
Speaker 8: could have made for myself in my life. And some

2826
02:38:58,280 --> 02:39:02,039
Speaker 8: you know, some people decided, know, I made a bad mistake,

2827
02:39:02,080 --> 02:39:04,119
Speaker 8: and I had other choices. Actually I didn't have any

2828
02:39:04,160 --> 02:39:08,160
Speaker 8: other choices. And the choices that I had, I was

2829
02:39:08,280 --> 02:39:11,760
Speaker 8: just been frustrated my life, you know, would have any chaos,

2830
02:39:12,360 --> 02:39:14,800
Speaker 8: you know, but I made the best move that I

2831
02:39:14,920 --> 02:39:18,160
Speaker 8: made at the time. And and right now you know

2832
02:39:18,240 --> 02:39:21,960
Speaker 8: how the DA works. You know, I had the issues

2833
02:39:22,000 --> 02:39:25,080
Speaker 8: and I'm getting ready to be a procedure that there's

2834
02:39:25,160 --> 02:39:27,240
Speaker 8: no way I would have been on the paper these

2835
02:39:27,280 --> 02:39:29,440
Speaker 8: procedures if I had not joined the military.

2836
02:39:30,360 --> 02:39:31,160
Speaker 5: That's level.

2837
02:39:32,440 --> 02:39:37,040
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, all right, that's uh, that's co operating

2838
02:39:37,120 --> 02:39:42,279
Speaker 4: my point, Nicholas.

2839
02:39:42,320 --> 02:39:44,680
Speaker 1: Let me jump in here though, because when Johnny was

2840
02:39:44,720 --> 02:39:47,680
Speaker 1: talking about in my generation and we're talking about Vietnam,

2841
02:39:48,240 --> 02:39:50,000
Speaker 1: and you know what it was. We were on the

2842
02:39:50,080 --> 02:39:53,040
Speaker 1: front line in Vietnam and Kevin Kevin, Kevin just a

2843
02:39:53,040 --> 02:39:55,360
Speaker 1: little after us. So when he decided to get in,

2844
02:39:55,440 --> 02:39:58,600
Speaker 1: there was no Vietnam. The body bags coming home and

2845
02:39:58,720 --> 02:40:01,960
Speaker 1: most of those body bags are well us brothers. Then

2846
02:40:01,959 --> 02:40:04,920
Speaker 1: they put on shore. Sure, So can you address that?

2847
02:40:06,400 --> 02:40:10,120
Speaker 4: Okay, well, yeah, that was the time when we had

2848
02:40:10,200 --> 02:40:12,880
Speaker 4: the draft and you had no option in terms of

2849
02:40:13,000 --> 02:40:17,200
Speaker 4: going to the going into the military. Is if you

2850
02:40:17,320 --> 02:40:21,880
Speaker 4: recall I told you that every state had a quota

2851
02:40:22,000 --> 02:40:25,520
Speaker 4: of the number of men they had descend, and the

2852
02:40:25,680 --> 02:40:30,760
Speaker 4: southern states filled their quotas with black men. If somebody

2853
02:40:30,840 --> 02:40:33,680
Speaker 4: from the South was white and came in as a

2854
02:40:33,800 --> 02:40:36,480
Speaker 4: draft d in that quota. You knew they were a

2855
02:40:36,560 --> 02:40:40,160
Speaker 4: troublemaker and that's why they were caught up in the draft.

2856
02:40:40,959 --> 02:40:43,200
Speaker 4: So what you have is you have an abundance of

2857
02:40:43,400 --> 02:40:47,040
Speaker 4: black soldiers coming into the military and going to the front,

2858
02:40:47,120 --> 02:40:50,840
Speaker 4: and they were killed. Out of that. You have some

2859
02:40:51,040 --> 02:40:55,960
Speaker 4: who returned problems with drugs because drugs were omnipresent over there,

2860
02:40:58,280 --> 02:41:00,360
Speaker 4: And you had some others who came back when took

2861
02:41:00,400 --> 02:41:04,160
Speaker 4: the GI Bill and they've done quite well. So again

2862
02:41:04,280 --> 02:41:08,800
Speaker 4: it's choices. But at that time, there were people that

2863
02:41:08,959 --> 02:41:11,640
Speaker 4: didn't go. They went to Canada and other places. I

2864
02:41:11,680 --> 02:41:14,720
Speaker 4: had white people who left them went to Canada at

2865
02:41:14,760 --> 02:41:18,119
Speaker 4: blacks that did the same thing. Those are individual choices,

2866
02:41:19,360 --> 02:41:23,000
Speaker 4: but I'm saying to you what the system did from

2867
02:41:23,040 --> 02:41:25,440
Speaker 4: the South was to take and fill their quarter with

2868
02:41:25,560 --> 02:41:29,440
Speaker 4: black men. And that's where you have the issue of

2869
02:41:29,600 --> 02:41:34,400
Speaker 4: why am I going to fight against some people that

2870
02:41:34,520 --> 02:41:37,040
Speaker 4: had never done anything to me and in my own state,

2871
02:41:37,480 --> 02:41:42,920
Speaker 4: I'm still segregated. It's a drinking found So that's when

2872
02:41:42,959 --> 02:41:46,680
Speaker 4: you have that reality clashing, and a lot of people

2873
02:41:46,760 --> 02:41:51,640
Speaker 4: had said I'm not going and did not go. You know,

2874
02:41:51,840 --> 02:41:56,600
Speaker 4: it's could all the black people have said, no, we're

2875
02:41:56,640 --> 02:41:58,880
Speaker 4: not going. I don't think so.

2876
02:42:02,520 --> 02:42:05,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the why. That's the way I felt, you know,

2877
02:42:05,560 --> 02:42:08,280
Speaker 8: because I couldn't take off to go to camera, you

2878
02:42:08,360 --> 02:42:11,760
Speaker 8: know I did. I couldn't afford to do anything like that.

2879
02:42:11,959 --> 02:42:13,400
Speaker 8: You know, I was, I was young, I was you know,

2880
02:42:15,040 --> 02:42:16,040
Speaker 8: I was married, you know.

2881
02:42:16,200 --> 02:42:17,480
Speaker 4: And it's like and and I.

2882
02:42:17,520 --> 02:42:22,280
Speaker 8: Had a choice, you know, between you know, which I chose.

2883
02:42:22,840 --> 02:42:25,320
Speaker 8: I ended up in listening, you know, to be air forced,

2884
02:42:25,400 --> 02:42:26,840
Speaker 8: you know, and I thought that I was a safer

2885
02:42:26,959 --> 02:42:30,039
Speaker 8: move to make in joining the Army of the Marine Corps.

2886
02:42:31,800 --> 02:42:32,720
Speaker 4: It wasn't too dumb.

2887
02:42:33,120 --> 02:42:34,040
Speaker 5: It wasn't too dumb.

2888
02:42:34,080 --> 02:42:36,680
Speaker 8: It's like, you know why I want to go in

2889
02:42:36,800 --> 02:42:38,560
Speaker 8: and carry a gun and shoot at people I don't

2890
02:42:38,640 --> 02:42:39,039
Speaker 8: know who.

2891
02:42:39,040 --> 02:42:40,040
Speaker 5: Never done anything to me.

2892
02:42:40,160 --> 02:42:42,400
Speaker 8: But I can go behind the lines and be being

2893
02:42:42,440 --> 02:42:45,119
Speaker 8: the air Force. And and I learned skills in there

2894
02:42:45,760 --> 02:42:49,400
Speaker 8: to this day. You know, I appreciate that. So, but

2895
02:42:49,520 --> 02:42:51,480
Speaker 8: thanks for taking my car, not that you guys racing,

2896
02:42:51,560 --> 02:42:55,440
Speaker 8: mister Clott. You know, I really enjoyed talking to you.

2897
02:42:56,920 --> 02:43:01,480
Speaker 1: All right, folks want talked to you. Doctor Nichols Glaud

2898
02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:05,040
Speaker 1: is calling from Baltimore's online too. Glaud your question for

2899
02:43:05,160 --> 02:43:05,840
Speaker 1: doctor Nichols.

2900
02:43:07,160 --> 02:43:10,280
Speaker 12: Yes, good morning, doctor Nichols. The name was Glaury mcgaran

2901
02:43:10,320 --> 02:43:13,720
Speaker 12: from Baltimore. I went into service in nineteen seventy five

2902
02:43:13,879 --> 02:43:16,880
Speaker 12: and I ets in eighty three. The whole time I

2903
02:43:17,040 --> 02:43:19,480
Speaker 12: was in before I, you know, went into the reserve,

2904
02:43:19,560 --> 02:43:21,440
Speaker 12: I was gonna transfer over, but I was checking it

2905
02:43:21,600 --> 02:43:24,440
Speaker 12: out first, gone through basics and everything. It was a

2906
02:43:24,520 --> 02:43:27,040
Speaker 12: lot of prejudice, a lot of prejudice even through even

2907
02:43:27,080 --> 02:43:30,039
Speaker 12: through school and the schools, a lot of us went

2908
02:43:30,160 --> 02:43:32,200
Speaker 12: in and when they had the draft, a lot of

2909
02:43:32,240 --> 02:43:34,600
Speaker 12: my bodies went in. They never came back. They was

2910
02:43:34,680 --> 02:43:37,440
Speaker 12: in the body bags and everything. So we know what

2911
02:43:37,520 --> 02:43:41,840
Speaker 12: the deal was when they went in, and the whole time,

2912
02:43:43,000 --> 02:43:46,080
Speaker 12: the whole time you know that they was in. Well,

2913
02:43:46,120 --> 02:43:48,720
Speaker 12: the purpose of going in for to get the skills,

2914
02:43:48,840 --> 02:43:51,360
Speaker 12: like you said, Yes, we needed some skills. That's all

2915
02:43:51,440 --> 02:43:54,440
Speaker 12: we could do. We had a choice, you know, to

2916
02:43:54,800 --> 02:43:57,600
Speaker 12: give up our lives, learn the skills and the one

2917
02:43:57,680 --> 02:44:00,200
Speaker 12: that had made it back and made it back. And

2918
02:44:00,360 --> 02:44:02,160
Speaker 12: then when you go out there looking for a job,

2919
02:44:02,600 --> 02:44:06,760
Speaker 12: it was still rough, still rough. And I had socialized

2920
02:44:06,760 --> 02:44:10,160
Speaker 12: and met officers in high ranks, and they were saying

2921
02:44:10,200 --> 02:44:12,400
Speaker 12: that like in World War Two, is to speed with

2922
02:44:12,520 --> 02:44:16,120
Speaker 12: them left. But they couldn't get jobs. In order to

2923
02:44:16,160 --> 02:44:19,440
Speaker 12: get a job, you could not tell the employees that

2924
02:44:19,600 --> 02:44:21,520
Speaker 12: you had an injury when you was in the service

2925
02:44:21,560 --> 02:44:24,400
Speaker 12: because they used that ski against you and were not

2926
02:44:24,640 --> 02:44:28,160
Speaker 12: harm are you Just like that movie of Glory, you

2927
02:44:28,280 --> 02:44:31,560
Speaker 12: know Denzel Washington played and a lot of blacks went

2928
02:44:31,680 --> 02:44:33,920
Speaker 12: in and they know they weren't gonna come back. They

2929
02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:37,560
Speaker 12: gave their lives because they wanted to get some income

2930
02:44:37,720 --> 02:44:40,879
Speaker 12: for their family. And that was that was the problem.

2931
02:44:41,240 --> 02:44:45,440
Speaker 12: And the last thing is when Obama they finally had

2932
02:44:45,480 --> 02:44:49,320
Speaker 12: a black president and Obama people was man. They was

2933
02:44:49,440 --> 02:44:52,520
Speaker 12: putting up flag poses on the front lawn and everything.

2934
02:44:53,040 --> 02:44:55,600
Speaker 12: But I was always being surprised that it took so

2935
02:44:55,760 --> 02:44:58,119
Speaker 12: long to do that. But we know why, we know, why,

2936
02:44:58,680 --> 02:45:00,879
Speaker 12: come on, now take that loan to put a black

2937
02:45:00,920 --> 02:45:03,600
Speaker 12: president in there? Make didn't want to use in abuse

2938
02:45:03,640 --> 02:45:08,080
Speaker 12: down which they did and everything. But uh and and

2939
02:45:08,840 --> 02:45:11,160
Speaker 12: I said, lastly, but the thing is, I tell a

2940
02:45:11,240 --> 02:45:13,680
Speaker 12: lot of single parents when I was growing up, we

2941
02:45:13,840 --> 02:45:16,720
Speaker 12: need to start our own school, not to set them

2942
02:45:16,720 --> 02:45:19,200
Speaker 12: in the herb in the service for discipline. How to

2943
02:45:19,640 --> 02:45:21,600
Speaker 12: make the bed up, take the trash out, and do

2944
02:45:21,760 --> 02:45:24,840
Speaker 12: certain things, you know. So that's what we needed. I

2945
02:45:25,000 --> 02:45:27,240
Speaker 12: just go in the army to learn that trade, which

2946
02:45:27,280 --> 02:45:29,520
Speaker 12: would have been nice because that was it helped a

2947
02:45:29,560 --> 02:45:32,200
Speaker 12: lot of us when we got out, you know, So

2948
02:45:32,879 --> 02:45:36,320
Speaker 12: it helped me too. But I still understand how he

2949
02:45:36,560 --> 02:45:40,480
Speaker 12: was treated, and I'm wondering now or a lot of

2950
02:45:40,680 --> 02:45:44,360
Speaker 12: soldiers in the service still having problems. You know, it's

2951
02:45:44,560 --> 02:45:46,720
Speaker 12: unfortunately so right.

2952
02:45:48,560 --> 02:45:50,400
Speaker 1: Glad, I think you for sharing that with us. You know,

2953
02:45:50,720 --> 02:45:53,960
Speaker 1: doctor Nicholson. In my generation of Vietnam generation, when those

2954
02:45:54,000 --> 02:45:56,200
Speaker 1: brothers came back, that had a hard time finding jobs

2955
02:45:56,240 --> 02:45:59,760
Speaker 1: because people thought that there's something, you know, emotionally wrong

2956
02:45:59,840 --> 02:46:03,480
Speaker 1: with many of them because they were so traumatized from Vietnam,

2957
02:46:03,800 --> 02:46:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, Agent Orange and all this other stuff. They

2958
02:46:06,200 --> 02:46:08,320
Speaker 1: had hard time people, you know, employees didn't want to

2959
02:46:08,360 --> 02:46:10,200
Speaker 1: deal with them because they thought they might go off

2960
02:46:10,240 --> 02:46:12,640
Speaker 1: and go postal if you will, on them on the job.

2961
02:46:13,120 --> 02:46:15,039
Speaker 1: So I feel Glory was talking about.

2962
02:46:17,400 --> 02:46:24,240
Speaker 4: I As a therapist. I treated several Vietnam veterans who

2963
02:46:24,360 --> 02:46:29,120
Speaker 4: had what we now call post traumatic stress syndrome, and

2964
02:46:31,440 --> 02:46:35,000
Speaker 4: I'm quite cognizant of the pain and the suffering that

2965
02:46:35,160 --> 02:46:38,880
Speaker 4: these guys went through, and the mental anguish that a

2966
02:46:38,959 --> 02:46:41,560
Speaker 4: lot of them carrying, and the nightmare that they have

2967
02:46:41,959 --> 02:46:46,039
Speaker 4: of being That was the first war in whish. There

2968
02:46:46,160 --> 02:46:49,240
Speaker 4: was no front that you go to the front to

2969
02:46:49,360 --> 02:46:51,480
Speaker 4: fight and then you leave the front and come back

2970
02:46:51,560 --> 02:46:54,200
Speaker 4: and rest, then you go back to the front and fight.

2971
02:46:54,280 --> 02:46:57,360
Speaker 4: There was no front. There was no place in which

2972
02:46:57,400 --> 02:46:57,959
Speaker 4: you were saying.

2973
02:46:58,959 --> 02:46:59,800
Speaker 10: They were around you.

2974
02:47:00,080 --> 02:47:02,120
Speaker 4: Everywhere. They would come up out of the ground and

2975
02:47:02,240 --> 02:47:04,160
Speaker 4: be right on top of you and your and you're

2976
02:47:04,160 --> 02:47:07,840
Speaker 4: puppednt with you. So it was a very traumatic war

2977
02:47:08,040 --> 02:47:12,600
Speaker 4: which we lost. And there's no other way other than

2978
02:47:12,720 --> 02:47:13,320
Speaker 4: to say it, and.

2979
02:47:13,360 --> 02:47:14,080
Speaker 10: It cost us.

2980
02:47:15,080 --> 02:47:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said we lost. Is there a war that

2981
02:47:17,040 --> 02:47:18,640
Speaker 1: we have won? When was the last war we won?

2982
02:47:18,879 --> 02:47:19,640
Speaker 1: You can say we won?

2983
02:47:20,520 --> 02:47:23,720
Speaker 4: Uh, we we haven't. Before we've lost. And because we

2984
02:47:24,200 --> 02:47:27,480
Speaker 4: go in with an idea that the military force is sufficient,

2985
02:47:28,520 --> 02:47:32,120
Speaker 4: and we're finding people who are very determined that they're

2986
02:47:32,200 --> 02:47:34,320
Speaker 4: not going to You're not going to take us. You're

2987
02:47:34,320 --> 02:47:39,080
Speaker 4: not going to do it. So you know, we we

2988
02:47:42,680 --> 02:47:47,640
Speaker 4: certain lives are expendable. That's how things are reckoned. That

2989
02:47:47,800 --> 02:47:52,000
Speaker 4: we can afford to lose x thousands of men to

2990
02:47:52,080 --> 02:47:54,920
Speaker 4: accomplish this goal and that's what it takes. Then that's

2991
02:47:54,959 --> 02:47:59,279
Speaker 4: what we spend, and that's what we do. And unfortunately,

2992
02:48:01,160 --> 02:48:03,400
Speaker 4: if there's a draft, there's nothing you can do about

2993
02:48:03,440 --> 02:48:06,560
Speaker 4: it other than to go to Canada or do something

2994
02:48:06,680 --> 02:48:13,560
Speaker 4: like that. But you know it's wrong. It's wrong. There's

2995
02:48:13,600 --> 02:48:17,560
Speaker 4: no question that it's not right. But in terms of

2996
02:48:17,680 --> 02:48:22,400
Speaker 4: what can you actually do differently, you can say I'm

2997
02:48:22,440 --> 02:48:25,520
Speaker 4: not going and you can go to jail, fine, but

2998
02:48:25,680 --> 02:48:28,840
Speaker 4: what does that do in terms of after you come

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02:48:28,879 --> 02:48:33,760
Speaker 4: out of jail? There there is no real answer to

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02:48:33,959 --> 02:48:37,160
Speaker 4: whether to go or whether or not to go. Everyone

3001
02:48:37,320 --> 02:48:44,560
Speaker 4: goes for their own different reasons, and for some it's

3002
02:48:44,600 --> 02:48:48,440
Speaker 4: a successful experience and for others it's that or it's

3003
02:48:49,240 --> 02:48:53,160
Speaker 4: permanent disabilities or what have you. I don't have a

3004
02:48:53,240 --> 02:48:57,120
Speaker 4: real answer or that. I'm not blaming anyone for whatever

3005
02:48:57,680 --> 02:49:02,720
Speaker 4: choices they need to make. Your own choices. Suddy elected

3006
02:49:02,879 --> 02:49:04,680
Speaker 4: not to go, and they didn't go when they went

3007
02:49:04,720 --> 02:49:08,200
Speaker 4: to jail or whatever they had to do. Fine, But

3008
02:49:12,520 --> 02:49:15,800
Speaker 4: I you know, when people are killed and come back

3009
02:49:15,840 --> 02:49:18,040
Speaker 4: in a bolling bag and had nothing to do with

3010
02:49:18,120 --> 02:49:21,279
Speaker 4: it other than they were drafted and sent and killed.

3011
02:49:21,400 --> 02:49:25,879
Speaker 4: And when you look at that wall, that memorial wall,

3012
02:49:26,000 --> 02:49:29,800
Speaker 4: and see all those names up there. You realize what

3013
02:49:30,440 --> 02:49:34,440
Speaker 4: a great sacrifice all these people made and how unfair

3014
02:49:34,560 --> 02:49:38,600
Speaker 4: it was. So I don't have an answer in terms

3015
02:49:38,600 --> 02:49:40,560
Speaker 4: of whether you should go or should not go. It's

3016
02:49:40,560 --> 02:49:45,560
Speaker 4: an individual choice, right, But I did treat guys who

3017
02:49:45,640 --> 02:49:48,160
Speaker 4: came back with post traumatic stress syndrome.

3018
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Speaker 1: We're got to take a short break here, last break

3019
02:49:53,360 --> 02:49:55,360
Speaker 1: twenty three away from the topee. I was interesting that

3020
02:49:55,480 --> 02:49:57,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned that because Donald Trump is not thinking about

3021
02:49:57,600 --> 02:50:00,760
Speaker 1: going to Iran, and young people who were already in

3022
02:50:00,800 --> 02:50:04,039
Speaker 1: the military or think about joining the military, they probably,

3023
02:50:04,440 --> 02:50:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, enjoy what you just said and take it,

3024
02:50:06,680 --> 02:50:08,800
Speaker 1: as you know, either take us a grain of salt

3025
02:50:09,120 --> 02:50:11,120
Speaker 1: or just move with it as well. Family, what are

3026
02:50:11,120 --> 02:50:14,000
Speaker 1: your thoughts. It's an almost it open phone Friday. I'm

3027
02:50:14,920 --> 02:50:17,520
Speaker 1: caught up here on this conversation with doctor Nichols, but

3028
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Speaker 1: you want to speak to you and reach out to

3029
02:50:19,160 --> 02:50:21,200
Speaker 1: us at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

3030
02:50:21,240 --> 02:50:23,760
Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we ticket phone calls next and

3031
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Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this

3032
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Speaker 1: Thursday morning with our guest doctor Edwin Nichols, and mentioned

3033
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Speaker 1: doctor Nichols, one of the one of the baddest brothers

3034
02:50:31,280 --> 02:50:33,320
Speaker 1: out there. He's one of the co founders of the

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Speaker 1: National as Black Social Black Psychologists. Before we go back

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Speaker 1: to him, though, let me just remind oh, yeah, we

3037
02:50:39,840 --> 02:50:42,600
Speaker 1: got to remind our folks in Baltimore. There's a very

3038
02:50:42,640 --> 02:50:44,960
Speaker 1: important meeting tonight at six o'clock. We're trying to save

3039
02:50:45,000 --> 02:50:48,119
Speaker 1: this black boys' school in Baltimore. The city decided closely,

3040
02:50:48,160 --> 02:50:51,039
Speaker 1: but apparently they've gotten a reprieve and an editwin event

3041
02:50:51,120 --> 02:50:52,840
Speaker 1: who runs the school once it's come out to this

3042
02:50:52,959 --> 02:50:55,720
Speaker 1: meeting at six o'clock tonight. The school's located at twenty

3043
02:50:55,760 --> 02:50:58,640
Speaker 1: five twenty five Kirk Avenue in Baltimore. So family show

3044
02:50:58,720 --> 02:51:01,400
Speaker 1: up for that also tomorrow ours Friday, so it'll give

3045
02:51:01,400 --> 02:51:02,800
Speaker 1: you a chance to free your mind. Is open for

3046
02:51:02,879 --> 02:51:05,640
Speaker 1: on Friday. You can restart at six am Eastern time

3047
02:51:05,720 --> 02:51:08,320
Speaker 1: right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also

3048
02:51:08,400 --> 02:51:12,240
Speaker 1: in the DMV on fourteen fifteen wol Doctor Nicks Forteking

3049
02:51:12,240 --> 02:51:14,480
Speaker 1: on the coffee you correct that Donald Trump is winding

3050
02:51:14,520 --> 02:51:19,520
Speaker 1: down or he's de escalating the controversial deportation tactics in Minneapolis.

3051
02:51:19,920 --> 02:51:22,200
Speaker 1: But it also and this is because the two the

3052
02:51:22,280 --> 02:51:25,080
Speaker 1: white person got shot and killed there. But it's also

3053
02:51:26,240 --> 02:51:29,520
Speaker 1: he's getting pushed back from the MAGA group. They're upset,

3054
02:51:30,200 --> 02:51:32,760
Speaker 1: so are they not like us? I mean, after George

3055
02:51:32,760 --> 02:51:35,200
Speaker 1: Floyd everybody. And it was lasted for a while, but

3056
02:51:35,240 --> 02:51:38,520
Speaker 1: the magagroup said with Donald Trump for pulling back in

3057
02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:42,800
Speaker 1: Minneapolis this morning, well you see.

3058
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Speaker 4: What has happened is when you get only one station Fox,

3059
02:51:47,040 --> 02:51:51,760
Speaker 4: and you see one set of reality, the other parts

3060
02:51:51,800 --> 02:51:55,320
Speaker 4: of it you don't see. In other words, if you

3061
02:51:55,440 --> 02:51:59,200
Speaker 4: took the NAGA group and showed them what was on

3062
02:51:59,320 --> 02:52:02,400
Speaker 4: the other chap, they might have changed their mind. But

3063
02:52:02,600 --> 02:52:05,360
Speaker 4: it's the only thing they see is on Magnet group,

3064
02:52:05,400 --> 02:52:08,119
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden the president changes his behavior.

3065
02:52:09,000 --> 02:52:12,080
Speaker 4: You're angry because what you have seen, you see, That's

3066
02:52:12,240 --> 02:52:18,160
Speaker 4: that's classical conditioning. Fox gives one point of view, and

3067
02:52:18,959 --> 02:52:21,880
Speaker 4: it only gives that point of view, and it's constantly

3068
02:52:22,000 --> 02:52:26,440
Speaker 4: reinforcing that as the truth. And we now know those

3069
02:52:26,520 --> 02:52:30,280
Speaker 4: are what we call what was called by the the

3070
02:52:30,400 --> 02:52:35,520
Speaker 4: press agent for the president years ago was the alternative facts,

3071
02:52:35,680 --> 02:52:40,120
Speaker 4: alternate facts. How can you have facts that are alternate

3072
02:52:40,400 --> 02:52:45,560
Speaker 4: that just stiffs? Does it make sense? That's fetish Brooklet's

3073
02:52:46,240 --> 02:52:51,600
Speaker 4: double talk. So the reality is that they are upset

3074
02:52:51,680 --> 02:52:55,280
Speaker 4: because the only thing they have seen is Fox, and

3075
02:52:55,440 --> 02:52:58,760
Speaker 4: it's all you have seen is Fox and he changes

3076
02:52:58,800 --> 02:53:03,640
Speaker 4: the rules. Why why would he do that? This person

3077
02:53:04,800 --> 02:53:07,600
Speaker 4: was a conspiraby going to come and shoot a whole

3078
02:53:07,600 --> 02:53:10,240
Speaker 4: lot of people and what have you. Well, that's because

3079
02:53:10,320 --> 02:53:15,199
Speaker 4: they only see one channel. They are socialized and conditioned

3080
02:53:15,320 --> 02:53:18,560
Speaker 4: by Fox as to what is true. Now, what does

3081
02:53:18,680 --> 02:53:21,320
Speaker 4: Nichols do to keep a balance within my head so

3082
02:53:21,480 --> 02:53:24,560
Speaker 4: I can know what the other side is thinking. I

3083
02:53:24,720 --> 02:53:29,440
Speaker 4: literally forced myself to watch Fox and Fox News at

3084
02:53:29,520 --> 02:53:33,080
Speaker 4: least twice a week, or if something significant comes up

3085
02:53:33,200 --> 02:53:37,000
Speaker 4: like this last situation, I turn on Fox and I

3086
02:53:37,080 --> 02:53:39,520
Speaker 4: sit there holding my nose and I make myself watch

3087
02:53:39,640 --> 02:53:43,560
Speaker 4: to see what is the socialization that that group of people,

3088
02:53:43,800 --> 02:53:49,160
Speaker 4: his base are being told. They never look at anything else,

3089
02:53:49,200 --> 02:53:52,120
Speaker 4: they never listen to any other commentary. That's the only

3090
02:53:52,360 --> 02:53:56,240
Speaker 4: information that they have, and that's pure propaganda, and it

3091
02:53:56,360 --> 02:53:59,840
Speaker 4: socializes them to believe that what is said on this

3092
02:54:00,560 --> 02:54:03,920
Speaker 4: is the truths, not eight truths?

3093
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Speaker 1: Gotcha? Hold? I thought, dad, I got a bunch of

3094
02:54:07,800 --> 02:54:09,720
Speaker 1: mother folks want to talk to you. Eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six. Go to Connecticut

3096
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Speaker 1: Cliff Waiting for US Online three and Cliff, your question

3097
02:54:15,840 --> 02:54:17,400
Speaker 1: for doctor Nichols the.

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Speaker 14: GRANDFVISD to you both, doctor Nichols and for the car

3099
02:54:20,879 --> 02:54:23,600
Speaker 14: My question is going back to the election, how fair

3100
02:54:24,040 --> 02:54:27,360
Speaker 14: and how accurate is the problem? Go back to voting,

3101
02:54:27,520 --> 02:54:31,920
Speaker 14: the electoral college and when Trump won this time, you

3102
02:54:32,040 --> 02:54:37,000
Speaker 14: can actually hear him saying that he had fake electors,

3103
02:54:37,560 --> 02:54:40,280
Speaker 14: and then also the popular vote. He put a lot

3104
02:54:40,360 --> 02:54:43,360
Speaker 14: of emphasis on this past election and the popular vote,

3105
02:54:44,040 --> 02:54:47,840
Speaker 14: meaning that I truly believed that Kambla Harris won the vote.

3106
02:54:48,360 --> 02:54:49,800
Speaker 5: So my question to you is do you.

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02:54:49,920 --> 02:54:53,200
Speaker 14: Actually believe that Donald Trump won the popular vote? And

3108
02:54:53,320 --> 02:54:56,720
Speaker 14: how accurate is the Is the electoral college.

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02:54:59,600 --> 02:55:02,360
Speaker 4: The question? And it's irrelevant because we're getting ready to

3110
02:55:02,440 --> 02:55:05,280
Speaker 4: face another and we've got to have in place those

3111
02:55:05,360 --> 02:55:10,680
Speaker 4: things that prevent whatever happened before as from happening again.

3112
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, I personally feel that, you know,

3113
02:55:18,560 --> 02:55:23,680
Speaker 4: he won, but I'm you know, I'm black, so I

3114
02:55:23,760 --> 02:55:27,240
Speaker 4: have a little paranoia about some of the things that happened,

3115
02:55:28,440 --> 02:55:32,080
Speaker 4: But that's because I'm black. That's my own personal paranoia.

3116
02:55:32,920 --> 02:55:35,360
Speaker 4: But I do know with his new election that there

3117
02:55:35,400 --> 02:55:37,280
Speaker 4: are a lot of people who are not black who

3118
02:55:37,320 --> 02:55:40,600
Speaker 4: are very concerned about it, and so it's going to

3119
02:55:40,680 --> 02:55:45,160
Speaker 4: be a situation where the ballot boxes are seized and

3120
02:55:45,480 --> 02:55:47,520
Speaker 4: we don't know what happens to them once they're seized.

3121
02:55:48,360 --> 02:55:53,480
Speaker 4: Now he's going into to Atlanta and he's taking all

3122
02:55:53,520 --> 02:55:57,920
Speaker 4: the the ballots out of Georgia and recounting them. They've

3123
02:55:57,959 --> 02:56:01,480
Speaker 4: been counted and hand counted in every anything else, and.

3124
02:56:01,760 --> 02:56:03,039
Speaker 5: For what reason?

3125
02:56:03,120 --> 02:56:05,840
Speaker 4: To what goes? You have to always ask yourself to

3126
02:56:06,040 --> 02:56:09,160
Speaker 4: what end is this action being taken? So why would

3127
02:56:09,200 --> 02:56:12,640
Speaker 4: they go in and take all these records to do what?

3128
02:56:14,120 --> 02:56:18,920
Speaker 4: Three times it's been gone through and said what they

3129
02:56:19,000 --> 02:56:23,240
Speaker 4: talent and counted was correct and accurate. So what is

3130
02:56:23,320 --> 02:56:28,360
Speaker 4: he going to find now with this new In other words,

3131
02:56:29,440 --> 02:56:31,840
Speaker 4: can you rely on what you're going to be told

3132
02:56:32,040 --> 02:56:34,120
Speaker 4: or is he going to come up something that his

3133
02:56:34,320 --> 02:56:38,119
Speaker 4: base wants to hear that they stole the election from him?

3134
02:56:40,400 --> 02:56:44,480
Speaker 4: So that's that's that's those are the quandaries that we

3135
02:56:44,600 --> 02:56:46,360
Speaker 4: have to have. But I think now we have a

3136
02:56:46,360 --> 02:56:52,760
Speaker 4: sufficient number of white people in their administration of the

3137
02:56:52,920 --> 02:56:55,400
Speaker 4: ballot and what have you that are really going to

3138
02:56:55,440 --> 02:56:59,440
Speaker 4: be vigilant and fighting against the possibility that the ballots

3139
02:56:59,480 --> 02:57:00,000
Speaker 4: can be stolen.

3140
02:57:02,000 --> 02:57:05,680
Speaker 1: Let me again, doctor Nichols. We talked about what's going

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Speaker 1: on in Minneapolis, and now it seems they're trying to

3142
02:57:09,080 --> 02:57:12,040
Speaker 1: tamp down with the with the ice agents. Do you

3143
02:57:12,080 --> 02:57:15,680
Speaker 1: think the plan was there to irritate the residents of

3144
02:57:15,720 --> 02:57:18,800
Speaker 1: Minneapolis and hopefully that there would be more protests and

3145
02:57:19,080 --> 02:57:22,080
Speaker 1: then it could call Insurrection Act or something and and

3146
02:57:22,840 --> 02:57:26,039
Speaker 1: prolong it so they wouldn't too cosse too far away

3147
02:57:26,120 --> 02:57:28,520
Speaker 1: from the elections, that we won't have any elections. Do

3148
02:57:28,520 --> 02:57:30,880
Speaker 1: you think that's all part of a master plan?

3149
02:57:32,480 --> 02:57:35,640
Speaker 4: Now? They were trying to see how far they could

3150
02:57:35,760 --> 02:57:41,400
Speaker 4: go and get the courts. Have the court five five

3151
02:57:41,560 --> 02:57:44,440
Speaker 4: people who wrote always on the block so they always win.

3152
02:57:46,440 --> 02:57:49,240
Speaker 4: As far, how far can you get the courts to

3153
02:57:49,920 --> 02:57:54,600
Speaker 4: corroborate what you want so that when the time comes

3154
02:57:54,680 --> 02:57:59,920
Speaker 4: to send in federal troops, which is against the contributions constitutions,

3155
02:58:00,360 --> 02:58:07,200
Speaker 4: to control the civilian population, you can do it. So

3156
02:58:07,480 --> 02:58:12,480
Speaker 4: these are all tests, you know, it's it's it's like

3157
02:58:12,560 --> 02:58:16,720
Speaker 4: a tease. How far can you How far can you

3158
02:58:17,280 --> 02:58:20,959
Speaker 4: pokes the tiger before he bites you? How far can

3159
02:58:21,040 --> 02:58:25,200
Speaker 4: you bully people before they lose it, and and come

3160
02:58:25,280 --> 02:58:28,080
Speaker 4: after in a big fight knowing that they will lose.

3161
02:58:30,560 --> 02:58:36,800
Speaker 4: See that, there's a very interesting thing. There was a bully,

3162
02:58:37,320 --> 02:58:38,600
Speaker 4: big guy.

3163
02:58:39,320 --> 02:58:40,520
Speaker 5: He beat up everybody.

3164
02:58:40,800 --> 02:58:44,960
Speaker 4: He even beat up women. And he came up with

3165
02:58:45,400 --> 02:58:48,840
Speaker 4: to this one sister and he said, you know what

3166
02:58:48,920 --> 02:58:51,720
Speaker 4: I do to women, don't you? And she said, well,

3167
02:58:52,680 --> 02:58:55,880
Speaker 4: you may win, but everybody will know that you've been

3168
02:58:55,959 --> 02:59:00,840
Speaker 4: in a fight. So he had to see before he

3169
02:59:00,959 --> 02:59:04,640
Speaker 4: jumped into that fight. So we are at a time

3170
02:59:04,800 --> 02:59:09,360
Speaker 4: where they might win, but everybody will know they've been.

3171
02:59:09,280 --> 02:59:09,760
Speaker 5: In a fight.

3172
02:59:12,760 --> 02:59:14,840
Speaker 1: Got you ten away from the top of a sister

3173
02:59:14,840 --> 02:59:19,400
Speaker 1: of Kashiva's colonist from Silver Spring. She's online one Sister Kashiba,

3174
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Speaker 1: your question for doctor Nichols.

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Speaker 15: Grand Rising Carl and doctor Nichols. I just have a

3176
02:59:27,480 --> 02:59:33,000
Speaker 15: quick statement regarding the military and the restitution of the

3177
02:59:33,120 --> 02:59:39,080
Speaker 15: draft or any action against a power such as Iran.

3178
02:59:41,240 --> 02:59:43,440
Speaker 15: Over fifty years ago, I was in the Peace Corps

3179
02:59:43,879 --> 02:59:48,440
Speaker 15: and one of the things that my White Peace Corps,

3180
02:59:48,520 --> 02:59:52,280
Speaker 15: the white male Peace Corps person did was that's how

3181
02:59:52,360 --> 02:59:56,640
Speaker 15: they got out of Vietnam. They joined the Peace Corps. Also,

3182
02:59:57,040 --> 02:59:58,760
Speaker 15: you have to look at it if you are a

3183
02:59:58,920 --> 03:00:02,080
Speaker 15: contra inches of ject. I don't know why some black

3184
03:00:02,800 --> 03:00:08,840
Speaker 15: men don't acquire conscientious objective status. You don't have to

3185
03:00:08,920 --> 03:00:11,200
Speaker 15: fight as a you don't have to fight as a

3186
03:00:11,280 --> 03:00:17,800
Speaker 15: conscientious objector. You don't have to fear killing somebody. You

3187
03:00:17,879 --> 03:00:19,880
Speaker 15: can do other things in the military. You don't have

3188
03:00:19,959 --> 03:00:22,800
Speaker 15: to be on the front line. Is that not possible

3189
03:00:23,520 --> 03:00:27,320
Speaker 15: to consider? Although I don't know now. In the Peace

3190
03:00:27,400 --> 03:00:29,680
Speaker 15: Corps you may have to have a college degree. But

3191
03:00:30,760 --> 03:00:35,880
Speaker 15: there are ways I think to avoid military service in

3192
03:00:36,000 --> 03:00:40,880
Speaker 15: case they reinstitute the draft or you're already in their military.

3193
03:00:42,200 --> 03:00:43,199
Speaker 15: I'd like your opinion.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

3195
03:00:46,040 --> 03:00:49,840
Speaker 4: Well, thank you for that information because it's very accurate,

3196
03:00:50,040 --> 03:00:54,600
Speaker 4: and it's an alternative for people to look into it

3197
03:00:55,320 --> 03:01:02,600
Speaker 4: as a possibility to to to avoid military that goes

3198
03:01:02,640 --> 03:01:08,240
Speaker 4: to the front and could be killed. That's, you know,

3199
03:01:08,360 --> 03:01:15,920
Speaker 4: that's that's a very difficult thing. There are alternatives, and

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03:01:16,040 --> 03:01:20,080
Speaker 4: I thank you very much for sharing those possible alternatives

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03:01:20,160 --> 03:01:22,879
Speaker 4: to us, as it gives hope to some people who

3202
03:01:23,840 --> 03:01:26,240
Speaker 4: are in a situation where they fear they may be

3203
03:01:26,440 --> 03:01:30,279
Speaker 4: drafted or called into something. Right now, the draft doesn't exist,

3204
03:01:30,360 --> 03:01:33,680
Speaker 4: but they haven't. Their numbers are down and of course,

3205
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Speaker 4: when their numbers are down, they have to promise all

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Speaker 4: kinds of things to get people to join.

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Speaker 1: All right, saving away from the top, Let's go to

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn Bedstide. To be exact, Brother Shaheed is waiting for us.

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Speaker 1: He's online too, My brother, Shahid grand Rising. Your question

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Speaker 1: a comment for doctor.

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Speaker 8: Nicholas grand Rising, grand Rising.

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Speaker 5: Hello, Yes you're on the air.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 8: Yes you're on brother, Yes grand Rising doctor and grantizing

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Speaker 8: brother called listen, Uh the idea of joining the military?

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Speaker 8: Doctor respond to this first thing, and then a comment, uh,

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Speaker 8: what is the value? What is the important of black

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03:02:23,000 --> 03:02:28,760
Speaker 8: and people in this country being oppressed under white supremacy

3219
03:02:28,879 --> 03:02:35,200
Speaker 8: and uh, white man domination. That would amount of black

3220
03:02:35,360 --> 03:02:40,160
Speaker 8: men in such dire straits that they would see the

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Speaker 8: military as a way out, as an option. My own example,

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Speaker 8: for example, I had no damn place to go to live,

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Speaker 8: and I refused to live on the street. I wasn't

3224
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Speaker 8: going to just go to jail. So the military gave

3225
03:03:02,560 --> 03:03:08,120
Speaker 8: me They say, three hots and a cop and that

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03:03:08,760 --> 03:03:13,200
Speaker 8: my family, my family from South Carolina. They were not

3227
03:03:13,760 --> 03:03:18,840
Speaker 8: savvy to the politics of the country like that to

3228
03:03:19,160 --> 03:03:24,600
Speaker 8: instilled in me verbally things that would prepare me.

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Speaker 5: As right.

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Speaker 1: Now, put in a question from Nichols can respond.

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Speaker 5: So, the.

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Speaker 16: Importance of white supremacy and having black men view the

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03:03:41,680 --> 03:03:46,680
Speaker 16: military as their option out and not even considered the

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Speaker 16: risking over their own lives.

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Speaker 4: Well, again, like you said, there was no place for

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Speaker 4: you to go, and so you got a bed, you

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Speaker 4: got three meals and a cop and orse. That's the

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Speaker 4: existentialcy creality of many black men and many white many

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Speaker 4: you know, significant numbers of white guys too. But again

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Speaker 4: the military, let's let's let's look at who's been in

3241
03:04:14,240 --> 03:04:21,320
Speaker 4: the military in the Caribbean. You had a black naval

3242
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Speaker 4: officer four star that was in charge of the navy

3243
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Speaker 4: for the whole Caribbean and he was removed by a

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Speaker 4: man that had been National Guard major I thing or

3245
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Speaker 4: captain something like that. He removed him. Why do you

3246
03:04:39,200 --> 03:04:41,760
Speaker 4: think he removed him because he had an agenda that

3247
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Speaker 4: he wanted to insist on imposing that were seen as

3248
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Speaker 4: at best perhaps legal but more illegal just bombing people

3249
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Speaker 4: in boats, Okay, and then to go into another country

3250
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Speaker 4: and another uh national figure because we said he is

3251
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Speaker 4: and he is. So the military it's always an individual choice.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's a it's a toss up. Can I

3253
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Speaker 4: risk what might possibly happen for what I hope will

3254
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Speaker 4: be a possible reality of some place to go. Uh,

3255
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Speaker 4: Job Corps used to be a place that you could

3256
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Speaker 4: have gone, but you know, Job Corps practically abolished.

3257
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Speaker 5: So and.

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Speaker 1: They want to give the names of those books.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I want to do this very quickly. There's one

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Speaker 4: book that's called Nelson Meets Sparky. This is a book

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Speaker 4: for small children to learn about programming. On his father

3262
03:05:53,720 --> 03:05:57,000
Speaker 4: gives him a gift of a of a robot ball

3263
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Speaker 4: and he doesn't He's expecting to say to Sparky, do

3264
03:06:02,120 --> 03:06:04,280
Speaker 4: this and do that, and he doesn't know that Sparky

3265
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Speaker 4: has to be programmed. So he learns what an algorithm is,

3266
03:06:07,879 --> 03:06:11,120
Speaker 4: what data is, what sensitive patterns, all of these things.

3267
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Speaker 4: And this book tells you what the definition is of

3268
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Speaker 4: an algorithm, and it also tells you in the story

3269
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Speaker 4: where is an algorithm discussed. It's one of the best

3270
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Speaker 4: books for small children for young people to read, and

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Speaker 4: it's called Nelson Meets Sparky and Ballinger is the author,

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Speaker 4: Ballenger and the press is Innovative Ink. But if you

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Speaker 4: just put into Amazon Nelson meets Sparky, will look.

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Speaker 1: What you want and doctor we have to cut the

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Speaker 1: book of course is.

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Speaker 4: Real on epigenetics and okay, we.

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Speaker 1: Got got that. We'll give it to them on Friday

3278
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Speaker 1: because we just flat out of time. We want to

3279
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Speaker 1: thank Nichols.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much for the opportunity to share concepts

3281
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Speaker 4: and ideas with others.

3282
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Speaker 1: All right, finally we're out of here. Stay strong, stay positive,

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Speaker 1: please stay healthy. We'll see tomorrow morning at six