1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: I was sharing with the live stream the madness of 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: social media these days. And I've talked about it before, 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: but I used to in fits engage in it, and 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: I was wrong because it never it never got anywhere. 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: Very rarely did you end up having some kind of rational, 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: reasonable back and forth. And disagreement is fine, it's the irrationality. 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: It's just so just so ugly and so destructive. Tony Katz, 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today, great to be with you. And certainly 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: you could argue that social media is not real life, 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: and I used to believe this. I would engage here 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: on the show, engage in the live stream. I do 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: speak engagements, no problem, and I do understand that when 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm in disagreement with somebody and in an argument with somebody, 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: let's say they're not the person I'm trying to convince. 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: And this is still advice that I would give anywhere. 16 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: If you are engaged in a we'll call in an 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: argument for lack of a better word, with anybody, very 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: rarely are they the person you're trying to convince. They're 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: dug in their entire raise on debt, is in their 20 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: political opinion. This whatever the person you can convince is 21 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: the person listening because they're not emotionally invested, So you 22 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: want to be I'm a believer of facts, logic, reason. 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: You want to be engaging in that way so you 24 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: can reach them, so they can be like, hmm, that's interesting. 25 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: So that's always my approach. That's always the philosophy. But 26 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: even with the social media, I would engage sometimes and 27 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: it never really went anywhere. Very rarely was it successful. 28 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: But I will tell you that things are different after 29 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: the assassination of Charlie Kirk because what we have seen, 30 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: and if you're not aware of this, I think it 31 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: should be. What we have seen is the excusing of murder. 32 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: We saw this with the CEO of United Healthcare, Brian 33 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: Thompson I believe was his name, murdered by this guy 34 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: who ladies were swooning over, which was you know, liberal 35 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: white women. Ah, he killed the United Healthcare CEO, and 36 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: people said, well, you know, healthcare in America, there's a 37 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: real problem. I didn't mean to sound like Christopher walk 38 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: In there. I wasn't trying to do an impression. People 39 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: are we dismissing the murder? It's crazy? And then they 40 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: assassinated Charlie Kirk, and people said, well, you know he uh, 41 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: he had it coming is his skirt was too short. Oh, 42 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: it's just a terrible, terrible person. I mean, I mean, 43 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: you can't be surprised. And there was this woman at 44 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: this No Kings event and her commentary like like, there 45 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: was the guy who said he wanted to kill Stephen Miller. 46 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: He's gonna kill nazis how Steven Miller's a naz exa. 47 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: I disagree with him, so I'll killing And there was 48 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: this woman, middle aged woman, liberal, white woman, as you 49 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: know is always the problem is, well, Charlie Kirk was garbage. 50 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk was terrible. He said terrible things about women 51 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: and minorities. And Hitler's dead. And I don't feel bad 52 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: about that. I don't know about you, but that has 53 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: had an absolute effect on me. It certainly has an 54 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: effect on how I engage in social media. Has it 55 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: changed my commentary Now? I discuss what I think is important. 56 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: I share my ideas on what I think is important. 57 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: I share them how I believe them and how I 58 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: believe they should be phrased, and and the chips are 59 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: going to fall where they fall, right. I'm fully aware 60 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: that the person who assassinated Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk had 61 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: a large microphone and someone didn't like what he said 62 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: and they felt justified in killing him. And the left said, 63 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: you're justified in killing him. That's what they've said. I've 64 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: got a smaller microphone, but a good sized microphone, and 65 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: I'm aware of someone's gonnacide. I don't like what Tony 66 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: Katz has to say and could try and engage in 67 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: something very very awful. Just this week, I upped the 68 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: security at my house. I attended an event this week 69 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: for the first time ever, I had my own security. 70 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: Me what, I had a guy follow me to the bathroom. 71 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: I once gave a speech at a university where they 72 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: had a police officer for me in security. I'm like, yeah, 73 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: I don't need this, and it was weird. And now 74 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: me no question. And I have made the argument that 75 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: your microphone, post on Facebook, post on social we can 76 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: say smaller than mine, smaller than Charley's. But someone can 77 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: side I don't like that and decide to engage because 78 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: they have been given carte blunch by half of America 79 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: that things that killing the people they politically disagree with 80 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: is somehow a value any thought that I had that 81 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: somehow on social media, which I there's a dumpster fire 82 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: that somehow you could get through to people gone. I 83 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: don't believe that anymore. I don't believe it at all. 84 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,679 Speaker 1: Since I am not as good with the written word 85 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: as I am with being able to speak, I'm going 86 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: to go where my strengths are. The people who want 87 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: to act as influencers and put something out there for clickbait. Right, 88 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: that's their game. There's a financial opportunity. I don't like it, 89 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: but they're going to keep doing it. I don't see 90 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: why I would continue to engage with these people. Now, 91 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: someone might say to me, Satni, you're letting them win, 92 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: letting who win. Every day I show up here, my 93 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: faces is on camera, my voice is on a microphone. 94 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: I didn't say, you know what. I'm so scared of 95 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: these people. I have to leave. I have to stop 96 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: doing this. I'll go sell cars. There's nothing wrong with 97 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: selling cars. I think I'd be great at and you 98 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: would totally get the clear code if I was your guy. 99 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying that I think I got to put my 100 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: time only into the things that are valuable, and not 101 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: into the places where people only want to engage in 102 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: some level of threat or insanity. Have the places where 103 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: people can respond. But don't put yourself in any place 104 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: where you think you have to respond back. And sometimes 105 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: social media creates this idea that you need to respond back, 106 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: and I think that's what's detrimental, because not only is 107 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: it madness, the responding back gets that descent into madness. 108 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: And maybe that's really what it's about that watching this 109 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: happen to this country I love in real time, I 110 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: don't have the ability to to fall into the madness. 111 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: I don't have the I don't have the time to 112 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: put into the possibility of me getting crazed. The people 113 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: are already crazy. The thing I need to most keep 114 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,559 Speaker 1: is my head, and I think you do too, Which 115 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: how do I tell you if getting things out on 116 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: social media it's helpful to you not to do that. 117 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: I don't actually want to do that. But once you 118 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: realize that there is half of the country, why not 119 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: be a full half that looks at political assassination and goes, well, 120 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: what do you expect? Well, then I have to change 121 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: the way I engage, and change how I engage and 122 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: possibly who I engage with. I don't want to engage 123 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: with those people. Can't win those people over. Can't win 124 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: somebody over who thinks that killing Charlie Kirk in front 125 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: of his family is well, what did you expect? What 126 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: did I expect? I expect him to go home for dinner. 127 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: It's but this is happening, and it goes to the 128 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: overarching that I've shared many times. The only way out 129 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: is through guys. My conversation here isn't going to get 130 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: it to stop. Although I may have reached one or 131 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: two people who are like, yes, that's how I feel, 132 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: and you're not alone, there's the left, all of a 133 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: sudden going to say we shouldn't kill people we disagree with. No, No, 134 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: sadly no. So here we are waiting on the White 135 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: House Press Briefing, I'll bring it to you. This is 136 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today