1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Gasoline prices can come on down pretty rapidly, can't they 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: They can, And we've taken a number of measures, as 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: you know, the kind of thing that you advocated when 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: you were in my spot, that we released the strategic reserve. 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: We coordinated with our allies to do so as well. 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: We increased ethanol production in the summer. So we've done 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: a lot to. 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: Put downward pressure on oil prices and gasoline prices, the 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: refined products. We waved the Jones acts of the refined 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: products could go from the Gulf of America to the 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: West Coast. We've taken a lot of steps and now 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: with hopefully the Piece deal being finalized by JD over 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: the weekend and the team, then things can get back 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: to normal really relatively quickly. 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 3: Relatively quickly, that is the phrase to track. That was 16 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 3: the National Economic Council director, and he is saying the 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: economic brain of the administration is like this. They're trying 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 3: to get the gas price normalization directly tied to Iran's 19 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 3: Piece deal. 20 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 4: Okay, so that's the chain here. 21 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 3: The ceasefire holds, the straight opens, the oil flows, the 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 3: prices fall. 23 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 4: You could follow that logic right again. But the logic. 24 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 4: That's hard to understand. 25 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: Is that when Operation Epic Fury broke out, the price 26 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: went up so quickly. But he says relatively quickly for 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 3: prices to come down, Well, how quick is that? What 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: is relatively quickly? I mean, that's kind of subjective. You 29 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 3: can come up with your own answer for that. But 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 3: one thing that you do have to note is that 31 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 3: when you have Kevin Hassett talking about the price of 32 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: gas and oil prices and the trajectory there, they're trying 33 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: to get ahead of the economic narrative. 34 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 4: Because they know inflation is the vulnerability. 35 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: So the Iran peace steal isn't just foreign policy, it's 36 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: now economic policy. 37 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think it's really interesting you rattled off 38 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 5: about four or five things there. It started with the 39 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 5: ceasefire has to hold, and you know, the straight of 40 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 5: Horror moves has to stay open. 41 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, oil has to flow, the prices have to fall, 42 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 3: a lot of things, A lot of dominoes, A. 43 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 5: Lot of dominoes have to fall, and we're really still 44 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 5: waiting for the first one. 45 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 4: JD still isn't even a main Pakistan yet. 46 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 5: No, and the ceasefire at this point in time is 47 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 5: tenuous at best. There were a lot of rocket fire 48 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 5: exchanges happening over the last forty eight hours or thirty 49 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 5: six hours since the ceasefire was announced. So we aren't 50 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 5: even with the first domino tipped over, and we've got 51 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 5: to get to Domino six or seven before our gas 52 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 5: prices start going down again. 53 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 4: So you're saying we got a long way to go 54 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 4: in a short time to get there. 55 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 5: Well, I, it's what we talked about a few minutes ago. 56 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 5: We kept hearing, you know when this war and I 57 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 5: ran started. Short term pain, long term game, short term pain, 58 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 5: long term. Okay, we've got the short term pain, and 59 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 5: he's talking about how, yeah, we're gonna see gas prices 60 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 5: drop relatively. 61 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 4: Quickly, relatively relatively quickly. 62 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 5: That's a debatable term as to how long this is. 63 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 5: It's funny we saw this with inflation during COVID. Inflation 64 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 5: shot up like crazy to nine percent during COVID, and 65 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 5: then it took for went down to eight percent, and 66 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 5: then it went down to seven percent, and even in 67 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 5: twenty twenty three it was like five or six percent. 68 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 5: It took forever to go back down to normal. We 69 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 5: should expect it. Look, whether it's right or wrong, whether 70 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 5: it makes any sense to anybody, the idea that as 71 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 5: soon as this thing in Iran is over, that immediately 72 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 5: the prices at the pump are going to be back 73 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 5: to the way they were before. That's not gonna happen. Way, 74 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 5: It's going to take some time. 75 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 4: Okay. 76 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna say a sentence, and I want you 77 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: to point out the most important word in the sentence. 78 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 5: Oh I like this game, It's fun. Kay. 79 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 4: Here's the sentence if long term piece is achieved in Iran. 80 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 5: If oh, there it is the first word in the sentence. 81 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: Right, I mean, talk about hedging your bets when you've 82 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: got the national ech. I'm a council director saying if 83 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: long term piece is achieved, we could see relatively quickly 84 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: gas prices come down. Okay, I'll just keep my fingers 85 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 3: crossed at this point. But what we have here in 86 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 3: the great State of Indiana is Governor Mike Braun declaring 87 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: a temporary gas tax holidays, suspending the seven percent state 88 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 3: sales tax also known as a use tax, this on 89 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: gasoline for thirty days, and this movement to reduce pain 90 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 3: at the pump. 91 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: As gas prices have climbed. 92 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: The suspension takes effect immediately and will it be extended. 93 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 4: Eh, maybe we'll see. 94 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, we gave Braun some credit for this at the 95 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 5: beginning of the show, and he certainly deserves it. He 96 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 5: was asked about this about a month ago. Hey, you 97 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 5: know gas price had gone through the roof. What about 98 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 5: givin Hoosier is a little bit of relief And he said, yeah, 99 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 5: if they're still that way in two or three weeks, 100 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 5: we'll take a look at it. So good for Mike 101 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 5: Braun on following up on that. Good for doing what 102 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 5: Eric Holcombe refuse to do back in twenty twenty two 103 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 5: when gas prices were at their all time record high. 104 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 5: Keep in mind, Casey, the all time record high for 105 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 5: gas in the state of Indiana five dollars and twenty 106 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 5: three cents in June of twenty twenty two. So we're 107 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 5: still well over a dollar below that. But keep in mind, 108 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 5: Eric Holcomb, people were begging for him to do something. 109 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 5: He told you that you were number one. 110 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 4: And spread after he called you a human peatri. 111 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 5: Dish absolutely no relief at the pumps. So yes, we'll 112 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 5: give Braun a little bit of credit for that. But 113 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 5: what I keep going back to and What is keeping 114 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 5: frustrating me is why we're in this position to start with. 115 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 5: Because the road problems, this is all supposed to be 116 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 5: solved in twenty seventeen when the state of Indiana passed 117 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 5: the new gas tax. By the way, when they did that, 118 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 5: they jacked it up ten cents, and then they said, oh, 119 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 5: in this, we're gonna peg this to inflation and so 120 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 5: we won't have to come back again and ask you 121 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 5: for more money. That was the pitch in twenty seventeen. 122 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 5: We're going to raise the gas tax. It's going to 123 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 5: fix the roads. And by the way, we're gonna peg 124 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 5: this increase to inflation so that the legislature doesn't have 125 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 5: to keep coming back and asking for more money. That's 126 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 5: how it was sold to us. And now, almost ten 127 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 5: years later, where are we at. Okay, they raised the 128 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 5: gas tax, they pegged it to inflation because it keeps 129 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,559 Speaker 5: going up all the time. Are the roads any better 130 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 5: than they were ten years ago? 131 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 4: No, even we did portnoy talking about it. 132 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 5: No, they're not any better. Has our road funding been solved? No, 133 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 5: absolutely not. We're not gonna have to come back. 134 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 4: You're even talking about toll roads and. 135 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 5: We're not gonna have to come back and ask for 136 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 5: more money. All except now we want to turn I 137 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 5: seventy into a toll road to supplement our road funding 138 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 5: because even though we pass this massive tax increase in 139 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 5: twenty seventeen with the gas tax, it's still not enough money. 140 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 5: So now they did have to come back and ask 141 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 5: ask us for more and this time they're doing it 142 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 5: in the form of a toll road on I seventy. 143 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 3: So you're going to save about seventeen cents per gallon 144 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 3: about two dollars off a full tank. Braun said he 145 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: may extend extend the suspension beyond thirty two if conditions warranted. 146 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 5: It sounds a lot like the last guy we talked to, 147 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 5: isn't it. 148 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 3: Lots of lots of ifs ands and butts. 149 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 5: Right, maybe we could, It's possible. 150 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 4: I don't know. Somebody ought to look into that. They 151 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 4: should take care of this. 152 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: Okay, let's hear from Governor Braun and his reasoning on 153 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 3: passing the gas tax suspension. 154 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 6: So I think we needed to see how long things 155 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 6: we're going to get to a point where we're seeing 156 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 6: some light at the end of the tunnel nationally, and 157 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 6: I think that since that's the motion. 158 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 5: I feel comfortable here. 159 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 6: Plus the fact that we've been running government more efficiently 160 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 6: in general for way over a year, and price of 161 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 6: gas has gone up, so sales tax on it has 162 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 6: been higher than normal. I wanted to make sure that 163 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 6: we don't derail things that depend on the revenue from it. 164 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 6: I feel comfortable. We're in a good spot now. I said, 165 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 6: if necessary, I'll look at be extending it, you know, 166 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 6: for another thirty days. 167 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: Okay, he doesn't want to derail things that depend on 168 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: that money. 169 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 4: Does that mean the roads are going to get worse 170 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 4: over the next thirty days? 171 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you know, And that's always the you know, 172 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 5: the ying and yang of this whenever I hear about 173 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 5: you know, we're cutting taxes at the federal level. Well, 174 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 5: that doesn't do me any good because the federal level, 175 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 5: you can just keep printing money, which is just going 176 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 5: to raise the cost of inflation and the prices for everything. 177 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 5: But on the state level, it is different. They do 178 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 5: have to have a balance budget every year. Their prices 179 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 5: and you know, their costs are fixed, and so when 180 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 5: you take away this revenue from the gas sales tax, 181 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 5: they do have to find another way to make it 182 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 5: up somewhere else, and so that way, at least we 183 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 5: know we're going to keep our spending kind of at 184 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 5: the same level, unlike the federal government, where all they 185 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 5: could just spend whatever they want, give whatever tax breaks 186 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 5: they want, and we're just going to print as much 187 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 5: money as we want. 188 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 3: This really makes me question is this going to be another 189 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: shell game? Because if they're suspending the gas sales tax, 190 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 3: it's going to save well about fifty million, I believe 191 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 3: is what he says, save taxpayers fifty min save taxpayers 192 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 3: fifty million, which is fifty million less that the state 193 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: will have. So is this going to be another property 194 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 3: tax game where it's going to be, Oh, we're going 195 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 3: to save you money on property taxes, but then all 196 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: of a sudden lit is raised. 197 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 4: It's like one big shell game. Yeah, are you going 198 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 4: to do that again? 199 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 5: I mean, hopefully not. We don't see it with this. 200 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 5: I mean, I guess it comes down to the point 201 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 5: where you know, I'm both the Republicans the Democrats in 202 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 5: the state of Indiana love spending your money so much. 203 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 5: Remember they raised your taxes a billion dollars last year. 204 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 5: I guess it's just fingers crossed that we can put 205 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 5: this money in our pocket now and hope they don't 206 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 5: raise them come the next legislative session in twenty twenty seven. 207 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 4: Here's more from Governor Braun. 208 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 6: We've looked at this and we feel this is within 209 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 6: the latitude of what I'm able to do. I don't 210 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 6: know how severe it was back then, but this is 211 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 6: this is something based upon what I said earlier. 212 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 7: The cumulative effect of twenty four percent of conflation at 213 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 7: twenty five delivered to US twenty two, twenty three, and 214 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 7: twenty four, and you can see how proactive we've been 215 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 7: on utility rates. There's been no action on that end 216 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 7: of it that I can think back Everard there's been 217 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 7: mostly a rubber stamp for investor owned utilities. 218 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 6: Rate payers are going to be taken into consideration just 219 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 6: as much as those that generate, and yes, we need 220 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 6: dependable generation, so we need to straddle. 221 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 5: That issue carefully. 222 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 6: This is something, regardless of what the conditions were in seven, 223 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 6: to be the conditions now right now. 224 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 3: The more of this, okay, so the details of how 225 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 3: it's going to work are just as important as the 226 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 3: fact of it. Are the retailers going to be monitored? 227 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 3: He said he was going to have the Attorney General 228 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: tasked with that enforcement mechanism is important. So these are 229 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: the questions that are going to determine whether this is 230 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: real relief or political theater. And that actually matters. It 231 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: seemed to me that what he was talking about, he 232 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 3: was deflecting a little bit, or he was trying to 233 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 3: tie a thread between affordability with your electricity costs and 234 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 3: gas costs. He's trying to wrap this bow around his 235 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 3: administration that he's looking out for you in all areas. 236 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, of course he's going to try and gain some 237 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 5: political points from this. That's just what politicians do. I 238 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 5: do like the fact that there is an enforcement mechanism 239 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 5: in here that he related to the Attorney General Todd Rokeda. 240 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 5: And look, there's some people that have problems with Todd Rokeda, 241 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 5: but there's one thing that Todd Rokeda is really really 242 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 5: good at. He loves suing people. I mean, he's had 243 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 5: all sorts of settlements exactly, he does all sorts of 244 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 5: consumer settlements. And that is one thing that Todd Rokeda 245 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 5: is outstanding at. He loves to sue people. And so 246 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 5: I think that if he gets a whiff that these 247 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 5: gas stations are not pass seeing these savings onto consumers. 248 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 5: He's going to start sharpening that pencil and file in 249 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 5: some lawsuits. That's my guess in this. 250 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: So the writers at USA Today either really love Indiana 251 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 3: or we had a lot of people go online and voting. 252 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: Four Indiana towns were among the best small places in 253 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 3: the Midwest according to the latest USA Today ten Best 254 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 3: Reader's Choice results. They make a top ten list in 255 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 3: out of the top ten, four were Indiana towns. 256 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 5: So this isn't like some goofy criteria that the editors 257 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 5: of USA Today create to see who's going to be 258 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 5: on here. These are actually voted on by. 259 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 4: The public by readers. Reader voting yes. 260 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: Now, there are expert nominations, and then they get windled 261 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: down by voters. 262 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 4: And the number one. 263 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: City ranked number one best small town in the Midwest 264 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: for twenty twenty six. The they Indiana, known for its 265 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: Swiss heritage, wine, culture, festivals, and historic charm along the 266 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 3: Ohio River. You also have Madison, Indiana ranked number two, 267 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 3: historic rivertown with a rich history, scenic views, outdoor activities, 268 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 3: and a vibrant downtown. You have Middlebury Indiana ranked number 269 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 3: six on the list. Now, I know you've been to 270 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: Middlebury before. That is in Amish country in northern Indiana, 271 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 3: scenic nature trails and famous local food and craft attractions. 272 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 4: Now the famous local food is the Amish food. 273 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 5: In Middlebury slaps, Amish food is fantastic, the doughnut joint, 274 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,359 Speaker 5: and there's some Riisin Roll locations here in Indianapolis. 275 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it started it. 276 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 5: It started in Middlebury. And in fact, when we used 277 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 5: to live up there, whenever we would drive by Middlebury, 278 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 5: we had to make as sure that we had to 279 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 5: stop at Riise and Roll to get some of those 280 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 5: cinnamon crunched donuts. 281 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 3: The other fourth city on the list that made the 282 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 3: top ten is Laporte, Indiana, ranked at number ten, Northwest 283 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 3: Indiana town with lakes, boating, festivals and outdoor recreation near 284 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: the Indiana Done. 285 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 5: This list is shocking to me. Why because normally when 286 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 5: we hear about the best small towns, we hear fishers, 287 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 5: and we hear carmel, and we hear all these other things. 288 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 5: They're not on the lake. They're not on the list. 289 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 5: We got places like Vivey, Indiana, and Madison and Middlebury 290 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 5: and Laporte. 291 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 3: What say the readers of USA Today apparently like their 292 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 3: outdoor activities, because that's what was mentioned in all of 293 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: these cities that made the list. 294 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 4: They're all smaller, smaller towns. 295 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, really small towns. That's a shocking list, very surprising. 296 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 4: You're listening to Casey and Jim. It is ninety three WIBC. 297 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 5: What is your problem? I got a lot of problems 298 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 5: with your people. We have a problem. 299 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 7: What's your problem. 300 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: I've got ninety nine problems on ninety three double hypc. 301 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 4: It is time for group therapy. What's your problem? Jim? 302 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 4: You got an issue? 303 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 5: I do well. You brought this story and I don't 304 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 5: have all the details on it. But this woman in 305 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 5: the military leaking classified information? Can we please just stop 306 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 5: leaking classified information, especially members of our military. What's the 307 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 5: deal with this? 308 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, whistleblowing has its place, but when it comes acrossing 309 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 3: the line into revealing sensitive national defense tactics, it's not patriotism. 310 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: It's jeopardizing national security. I also have a problem with 311 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 3: this for many reasons. I've got a problem with the 312 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: woman who did it. I have a problem that there's 313 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 3: more than one leaker. You probably have a problem with 314 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 3: this because when I say leaker, you're probably thinking about 315 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 3: the leak about the airmen. 316 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 4: This is a totally different leaker. 317 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll talk about that in a second, because that's 318 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 5: a different spin on all this. 319 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 3: So this is a forty year old US Army veteran 320 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 3: named Courtney Williams, and she was arrested and charged with 321 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 3: illegally leaking classified military information to a journalist. Sounds familiar, right, 322 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 3: totally different story. Prosecutors say that she provided classified national 323 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: defense details within about an elite commando unit, Delta Force, 324 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 3: to a reporter, including tactics and procedures. 325 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 4: And that is what you cannot do. 326 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 5: Now. 327 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 3: This all started because this reporter was writing a book 328 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 3: about trying to expose alleged issues within the unit, sexual 329 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: harassment issues. But this woman, Courtney Williams, went way beyond 330 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: just whistleblowing about sexual harassment and was giving up tactics 331 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 3: and procedures and resources. 332 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 5: For something ultra secretive like Delta Force. Yeah, there's a 333 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 5: lot going on here. 334 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 4: He's like one. 335 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: Hundred and eighty text messages, ten plus hours of phone calls, 336 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 3: multiple batches of classified documents were given to the journalist. 337 00:16:53,920 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: For publication classified documents. Just because your nosy doesn't mean 338 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 3: you have the right to know. 339 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, and look, if there are there are claims that 340 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 5: sexual harassment taking place at the base and within the military, 341 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 5: and those absolutely should be investigated. Yes, go ahead and 342 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 5: investigate those in the proper channels. But just because that 343 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 5: may or may not be happening, does not give you 344 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 5: the right to leak classified information to a journalist. And 345 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 5: I'm glad that there. You know, looks like this woman 346 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 5: is going to be held accountable. 347 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 4: The other thing is she's being charged with the espionage 348 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 4: jack that is a by. 349 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 5: The way, espionage potentially punishable up to death. So that's 350 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 5: a very very serious charge. But the other part of 351 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 5: the story that I find very interesting is obviously we 352 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 5: had the downed airmen in Iraq, and that was a 353 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 5: Iran thank you keep doing that, and that was a 354 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 5: great rescue story and wonderful. And then Donald Trump spent 355 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 5: a couple of days talking about how, hey, you know what, 356 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 5: there was a journalist that had leaked information that talked 357 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 5: about how that this person was down. We didn't want 358 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 5: that information to get out. We wanted to rescue them 359 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 5: before the public and before or Iran new about it, 360 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 5: and we're going to find out who that leaker is 361 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 5: and we're going to punish them. And then within twenty 362 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 5: four hours, the Pentagon comes out and says, hey, we 363 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 5: are charging a leaker. Now, what's gonna happen is, I'd 364 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 5: say probably ninety percent of the public is going to 365 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 5: assume that they found the leaker as it relates to 366 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 5: that downed airmen in Iran. It has absolutely nothing to 367 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 5: do with it. Now do you think the Pentagon is 368 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 5: going to correct that and point out, Oh no, no, no, 369 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 5: it has nothing to do with Iran. No, no, no, They'll 370 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 5: let the public continue. 371 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 4: Just assuming that it's the leaker. 372 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, you can believe that this had to do with 373 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 5: that downed airmen in Iran, but it actually had absolutely 374 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 5: nothing to do with it. It was a totally different 375 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 5: subject altogether. 376 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 377 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: So this woman, she previously worked at Fort Bragg, She 378 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: held a top secret security clearance, and she signed a 379 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 3: non disclosure agreement during her service, and so she agreed 380 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 3: to protect secrets and then just completely went back on 381 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: her word. The Justice Department and the FBI said that 382 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 3: the leak put the nation, war fighters and allies at risk. 383 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, and again, whistle blowing is one thing, and if 384 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 5: it has its. 385 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 4: Place in time, absolutely it's across the line. 386 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 5: And if there are sexual harassment claims at Fort Bragg 387 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 5: and those are serious, absolutely let's investigate those through the 388 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 5: proper channels. But it does not give you the right 389 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 5: to leak classified information about operations and tactics with inside 390 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 5: Delta Force. Just absolutely terrible. 391 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, leaks of classified info. 392 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 3: This is not a free speech issue, especially if you 393 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 3: sign a non disclosure agreement and you agree to protect secrets, 394 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 3: you do that, otherwise you're risking troops lives and you're 395 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 3: not just writing a book. 396 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 5: Yeah. So good thing that this woman is being charged 397 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 5: with espionage and being prosecuted and held it accountable for 398 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 5: leaking this classified information. 399 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're listening to Casey and Jim. It is ninety 400 00:19:47,400 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 4: three WIBC. We gotta talk about this big story. Locally. 401 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 3: You've got the Marion County Prosecutor's Office announcing charges today 402 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 3: against Bois County Sheriff Tom Kleinhelter, also the Clinton County 403 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 3: Sheriff Richard Kelly and Clinton County Jail Matron Ashley Kelly 404 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 3: klein Helter. The charges are false informing also official misconduct. 405 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 4: That's a felony. 406 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 3: Richard Kelly two counts of aiding, inducing and causing fraud, aiding, 407 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 3: inducing and causing theft official misconduct. 408 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 4: And then Ashley Kelly, the jail. 409 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 3: Matron charges are two counts of fraud, theft, official misconduct. 410 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 3: Of course, Kleinhelter's charges follow his reporting making multiple false 411 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 3: statements to the Indiana State Police during a theft in 412 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 3: fraud probe which happened in twenty twenty four. 413 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a pretty big deal. And look, it 414 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 5: was last year on this very program on these WIBC 415 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 5: airwaves where you have had Doug Carter, former superintendent to 416 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 5: the Indiana State Police, that came into this show and 417 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 5: started talking about it and really kind of was the 418 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 5: first one to raise this as a potential issue and 419 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 5: everything going on around it. And keep in mind, Clienthlter 420 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 5: is the sheriff in du Bois County. 421 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 4: He's only I believe he only is eight months left. 422 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 5: On his current term as sheriff down there, and obviously 423 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 5: now being indicted here this morning. So this has been 424 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 5: a story that's been talked about for a long time. 425 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 5: We're finally getting some movement on it. And I remember 426 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 5: when you had you know, Doug Carter on your show 427 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 5: and he was talking about this and the reaction. There 428 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 5: were a lot of people that were like, well, what's that. 429 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 5: There's no real proofs. That was really kind of a 430 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 5: nothing story. 431 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 3: And I think probable cause, Affidavid, I believe it was 432 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 3: like eighty four pages long. 433 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 5: There were a lot of moving pieces to this story. 434 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 5: But I think there were a lot of people that 435 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 5: were frustrated, that were like, hey, you know what happened 436 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 5: to that? What's going on with it? And it's a 437 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 5: good reminder that the wheels of justice never move as 438 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 5: quickly as we sometimes want them to move. But I mean, 439 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 5: this was a year ago about that you had Doug 440 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 5: Carter on the show, and that's how long it's taken 441 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 5: for this process to come to the point that it 442 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 5: is today where we did see these indictments come down. 443 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 5: And most of the time that's the case. These things 444 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 5: take time. Our judicial system does move slowly, right or wrong. 445 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 5: That is the fact of the matter that it does 446 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 5: move slowly. But here we are a year later, and 447 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 5: now we've got some movement on this issue. 448 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 3: The chargers were filed after joint investigations by the Indiana 449 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 3: State Police Public Integrity Division, also local prosecutors and other 450 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 3: law enforcement patterns. 451 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 4: But it does. 452 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 3: Represent a serious breach of public trust by those that 453 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 3: were supposed to be enforcing the law. Now, each person 454 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 3: charge could face felony convictions, I mean, just affecting their careers, 455 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 3: their rights, even their freedom if convicted. 456 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, and obviously everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and 457 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 5: all these are just allegations at this point. But we're 458 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 5: going to let the judicial process play out, and we 459 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 5: certainly had a huge step forward this morning during that process. 460 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 3: So you've got many Democrat lawmakers in Congress and they're 461 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 3: publicly calling for Donald Trump to be removed from office. 462 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 3: This is what they're saying after his aggressive attack towards Iran. 463 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 4: It's you can't win. 464 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: You can't win for losing with these guys, because when 465 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 3: he does it, when he begins Operation Epic Fury, what. 466 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 4: Is he doing? He's a crazy madman. 467 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: And then when he moves towards ceasefire, they call him 468 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 3: Taco Trump always chickens out. 469 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 4: It's like, you can't have it both ways. What do 470 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 4: you want? 471 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 5: Well? Democrat Senator John Fetterman summed it up better than 472 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 5: anybody else I've heard. And we had the audio a 473 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 5: few weeks ago on this show and somebody asked him, Hey, 474 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 5: who's the head of the Democrat Party right now? And 475 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 5: he said, Trump derangement syndrome is the head of the 476 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 5: Democrat Party right now, because that's all the Democrats know. 477 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 5: And here it is playing out in front of us 478 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 5: in real time again, because none of this has any chance. 479 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 5: Just so you know, they're talking about removing Trump from 480 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 5: office with the twenty fifth Amendment. Okay, that takes the 481 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 5: vice president. 482 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 4: They're trying to declare him unfit to serve, right. 483 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 5: And you can make that argument, but it's never going 484 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 5: to happen. It requires the vice president, the entire Caidate cabinet, 485 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 5: and a super majority from Congress to remove a president 486 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 5: under the twenty fifth Amendment. Oh, by the way, that's 487 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 5: the twenty fifth Amendment is designed to remove a president 488 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 5: that has been incapacitated in some fashion. There's no proof. 489 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 5: There's certainly lots of allegations from the Democrats that Trump 490 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 5: is losing his mind, but there's nowhere near any proof 491 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 5: that Trump is losing his mind. So there's no chance 492 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 5: that the twenty fifth Amendment is actually going to be invoked. 493 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 5: And by the way, isn't it just a little hypocritical 494 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 5: when the last time we talked about potentially invoking the 495 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 5: twenty fifth Amendment under President Biden, who clearly had some 496 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 5: capacity issues that were on full display every single day 497 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 5: and came to a peak during the first presidential debate 498 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 5: with Donald Trump, that was a disaster. Democrats were silent 499 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 5: on that, media was silent on that. In fact, it 500 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 5: was Joe Scarborough in the media that said, this version 501 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 5: of Joe Biden is the sharpest version of Joe Biden 502 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 5: I've ever seen. We were gas lit by the Democrats 503 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 5: and the media about Joe Biden's mental health, and now 504 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 5: it's the Democrats with the help from the media. This 505 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 5: is NBC News reporting this trying to do to Donald 506 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 5: Trump what they failed to do with Joe Biden four 507 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 5: years ago. 508 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 3: Democrats calling for Trump's removal over the Iran policy that 509 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 3: sixty six percent of Americans support. Also keep in mind 510 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 3: this is the party they shut down the government for 511 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 3: forty days while they're members vacation in Scotland, and now 512 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: they're calling for the removal of the President who got 513 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 3: a potential cease fire. The optics of this are awful 514 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 3: and you're thinking, oh, well, that was for the ceasefire. 515 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 4: Nope, no it wasn't. 516 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 2: The president did not kill an entire civilization last night. 517 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 5: Is impeachment really a productive or even feasible tool at 518 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 5: this point? 519 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 2: With Republicans in control of Congress. 520 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 8: Democrats must proceed with the filing of the impeachment articles. 521 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 8: We need to work as hard as we can to 522 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 8: put the Republican Party, which is morally bankfrult, which is spineless, 523 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 8: which wants to be in a witness protection program even 524 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 8: as moral atrocities are being planned in their name. We 525 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 8: must proceed towards the goal of removing Donald Trump from office, 526 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 8: and we must do this now. And that has to 527 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 8: be the democratic agenda. 528 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 3: That has to be the democratic agenda, not helping you, 529 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 3: not lowering the cost of things. The democratic agenda you 530 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 3: just heard it from Senator Ed Markey, has got to 531 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 3: be to be impeach Trump. 532 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 4: Why on what grounds? For bringing down. 533 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 3: Crime in major cities, for enforcing immigration laws, for fighting 534 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 3: corruption and fraud that's ripping off taxpayers, for getting countries 535 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 3: to invest trillions of dollars in the US economy, for 536 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 3: reducing deadly fentanyl from killing Americans, for making the United 537 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 3: States the number one oil producer, for what what grounds 538 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 3: because they don't like him. 539 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 5: Well, here's so let's do some political analysis on this. 540 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 5: And look, I'm no fan of the Democrats, obviously, but 541 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 5: they were really given a pretty good opportunity. Look at 542 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 5: what's lined up here. You got Donald Trump, whose poll 543 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 5: numbers aren't great objectively not great. They're certainly way down 544 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 5: from when he first came into office. The price of 545 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 5: everything and affordability in this country is a major problem. 546 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 5: Poll after poll after poll shows that we're in the 547 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 5: middle of a war with Iran, which is not popular. 548 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 5: Now we have the poll that the ceasefire is very popular, 549 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 5: but the war itself is not popular. And we're coming 550 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 5: up on the midterms, where traditionally the party that's out 551 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 5: of power dominates in the midterms. So you've got all 552 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 5: of these things that are lining up in the democrats 553 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 5: favor for these midterms coming up in November. Yet they 554 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 5: keep dropping the bag every opportunity they are given because 555 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 5: they have no leader in the Democrat Party. They're all 556 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 5: about Trump arrangement system syndrome. We've just heard that in 557 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 5: the clip that you played where they admitted it. Yes, 558 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 5: that is the most important thing getting rid of Trump. 559 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 5: They have no suggestions on policy going forward. They are 560 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 5: still on the wrong side of all of these eighty 561 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 5: twenty issues, whether it's you know, boys and girls bathrooms 562 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 5: and boys playing in girls sports, or whether it's shutting 563 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 5: down the border and deporting illegal immigration. The Democrats are 564 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 5: their own worst enemy. Everything has lined up for them 565 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 5: to totally dominate these midterms in November, and they can't 566 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 5: even get off the starting line with all of this 567 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 5: because they are obsessed with Donald Trump and Trump Arrangement syndrome. 568 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 4: Are we still in a government shutdown? 569 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 5: Yeah? By the way, you know, yes, the Department of 570 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 5: Home Land Security. Yeah, we are still in the middle 571 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 5: of a government checking. We hadn't talked about that in 572 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 5: a few days. Well we did. 573 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 4: I just want to make sure. 574 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 5: We did have the change that you know, they are paying. 575 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 4: The TSA agents are being paid. 576 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 5: THESA is now getting paid. 577 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 4: DHS is not fully funded. 578 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 5: DHS is in a government shutdown right now. And it's 579 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 5: probably what day forty five or something like that. 580 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 3: Here's the Senate Minority leader Chuck Schumer, and he said 581 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 3: the Democrats are going to force a vote next week, 582 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 3: and this is aimed at ceasing hostilities in Iran. 583 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 9: I'm announcing that today the Senate will vote next week 584 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 9: on the War Powers Resolution. Congress must reassert its authority, 585 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 9: especially at this dangerous moment. 586 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 4: Okay, wait, no, you could stop it. 587 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 3: Congress must reassert its authority in this moment. But when 588 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 3: it's things to help the American people what they don't 589 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 3: want to authority there of. 590 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 5: Course not no, because they're just playing party pol and again. 591 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 5: They just make it sure drop rather than sit. We know, 592 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 5: the most important thing to the American people right now, 593 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 5: it's not the war in Iran, it's not all these 594 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 5: other things going on. It is the affordability of daily life. 595 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 5: Yet the Democrats are wasting all of their time talking 596 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 5: about how they need to remove Trump, not letting the 597 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 5: government run because DHS is still shut down. They have 598 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 5: been given a golden opportunity and they are totally blowing 599 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 5: it because they just can't get out of their own way. 600 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 5: Shoot on the eighty twenty issues, I left out voter ID. Hey, 601 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 5: remember when we were talking about the Save Act. A 602 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 5: couple of weeks ago, and that was a big deal. 603 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 5: And eighty percent of the people in this country believe 604 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 5: in voter id laws. Yet the Democrats are on the 605 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 5: wrong side of that. This is the biggest political self 606 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 5: own that I have seen in decades, and the Democrats 607 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 5: are doing it right here, right now. They could be 608 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 5: offering ways and ideas and concepts on how to lower 609 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 5: the cost of living in this country and make life 610 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 5: affordable for Americans. That's what everybody wants, that's what all 611 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 5: the polls show. Yet all their time is being spent 612 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 5: trying to just be against everything that Donald Trump is for. 613 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 3: He said, Congress must reassert their authority. That's the same 614 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 3: Congress that went on Easter vacation while the government was 615 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 3: shut down, and they now want authority over military operations. This, 616 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 3: by the way, after there is already a ceasefire. 617 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 4: When that vote will mean nothing, it. 618 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 3: Really reveals the motivation. This isn't about courage. This is 619 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 3: absolutely about positioning. So Donald Trump met with the NATO 620 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 3: Secretary General at the White House. It was a private 621 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 3: discussion about what's. 622 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 4: Going on in Iran. 623 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 3: And of course you got to imagine that that Secretary 624 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 3: General got a little smack down. 625 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 5: Oh Donald Trump. Yeah. Yeah. 626 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 3: In that little private meeting, Trump has been very direct 627 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 3: about his criticism of NATO, saying that the alliance wasn't 628 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 3: there when he needed them, and now the United States 629 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 3: may not be there when NATO needs us. 630 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is gonna be and I think we're probably 631 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 5: gonna have to get this ran thing put to bed first. 632 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 5: But I think that's Donald Trump's next big foreign policy 633 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 5: push is what is he going to do with NATO? 634 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 5: And he's gonna Here's what I can tell you what's 635 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 5: gonna happen. There's gonna be a lot of rhetoric coming 636 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 5: from Donald Trump, and he's gonna talk about leaving NATO, 637 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 5: and then all the NATO partner's gonna talk about how 638 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 5: dom Donald Trump is and how this is outrageous and 639 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 5: he's throwing all this away. But what will likely end 640 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 5: up happening, in my estimation, is Donald Trump's gonna pick 641 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 5: a couple of countries within NATO and use them as 642 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 5: an example to all the rest. Because some of the 643 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 5: countries in NATO have been great in this and mostly 644 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 5: they're the Eastern Bloc countries like Latvia and Estonia and Poland, 645 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 5: and those sorts of countries. And yes, the UK started 646 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 5: this thing out terribly and then they realized, oh geez, 647 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 5: we probably made a mistake when we wouldn't let him 648 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 5: fly out at Diego Garcia, so they opened up their 649 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 5: air bases. But there are two countries in particular that 650 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 5: have been against Donald Trump more than others, and that 651 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 5: is Spain and that is France. Both of those countries 652 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 5: NATO allies would not let us use our military bases 653 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 5: in those countries to fly our planes out of not 654 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 5: only that, they would not allow our military planes to 655 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 5: fly within their airspaces. I've seen these images posted because 656 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 5: of course you can track any airplane in the world, 657 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 5: and you see these flights that our military airplanes have 658 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 5: to take, and they have to take this long route 659 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 5: and creating in the ocean all the way around Spain 660 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 5: and all the way around France just to get where 661 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 5: they're going. My prediction in all of this is Donald 662 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 5: Trump's probably going to pick out a couple of countries 663 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 5: like Spain and France, pull our military bases out of 664 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 5: those countries and say, hey, you guys are on your own. 665 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 5: Best of luck. 666 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 3: Root came to Trump, the Secretary General came to Trump, 667 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 3: that's the power dynamic. In one sentence, He's traveling all 668 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 3: the way to the United States just to manage the 669 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 3: president's anger about what's going on with NATO. So you've 670 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 3: also got the NATO allies failing to help, which does 671 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 3: put an exclamation point at the end of Trump's point 672 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 3: that they can't be relied on to protect Greenland. And 673 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 3: that is the big picture that Trump is trying to paint. 674 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, and of course NATO came to Trump. NATO needs 675 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 5: the United States ten times one hundred times more than 676 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 5: the United States needs NATO. Yes, the leaders of NATO 677 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 5: right now are pretty scared. They're worried Trump's going to 678 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 5: pull out of that treaty altogether or do something else crazier, 679 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 5: pull out all of our bases out of Europe. Yes, 680 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 5: NATO is trying to smooth things over with Trump right now. 681 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 4: So we hold the leverage here. Everybody in the room 682 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 4: knows it. Here's Marco Rubio talking about no more free rides. 683 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 10: When we need them to allow us to use their 684 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 10: military basis, their answer is no. Then why are we 685 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 10: in NATO? You have to ask that question. Why do 686 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 10: we have billions and billions of dollars, hundreds of billions 687 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 10: of dollars over the years, trillions of dollars, and all 688 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 10: these American forces stationed in the region. If we can 689 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 10: only use it, we can in our time need we're 690 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 10: not going to be allowed to use those bases. So 691 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 10: I think there's no doubt. Unfortunately, after this conflict is concluded, 692 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 10: we are going to have to re examine that relationship. 693 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 10: We're going to have to re examine the value of 694 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 10: NATO and that alliance for our country. Ultimately, that's a 695 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 10: decision for the president to make, and you'll have to 696 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 10: make it. We're going to finish the job here. As 697 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 10: I said, we're very very close to achieving our objectives 698 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 10: on all of these things that I've outlined. But I 699 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 10: do think, unfortunately we are going to have to re 700 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 10: examine whether or not this alliance that has served this 701 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 10: country well for a while is still serving that purpose 702 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 10: or has it now become a one way street. 703 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 3: So the NATO allies who didn't show up need to 704 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 3: understand the relationship is now transactional and the transaction has 705 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 3: to be mutual. 706 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, and look, Trump's going to make an example out 707 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 5: of somebody. It's just a question as to which countries 708 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 5: is he going to use as the example for the 709 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 5: rest of NATO. 710 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 3: That's basically like, hey, all of a sudden, they're sitting 711 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,919 Speaker 3: in the back of the room with their head down 712 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 3: right exactly, don't make our contact, don't pick us. 713 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 5: I'm over here, given Spain the business. After I'm done 714 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 5: with them, you want some of this? Probably not, So 715 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 5: that's what he's gonna do. 716 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 3: Absolutely, you're listening to Casey and Jim. It is ninety 717 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 3: three WIBC. Tiger Woods isn't there, but it does continue. 718 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 4: The Masters started today and you've got already. 719 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 3: A major golf champion being kicked out. How do you 720 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 3: say his name? 721 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 4: Mark Calcavecchia, Calcavecchia. 722 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 3: He was escorted off the grounds for violating the tournament's 723 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 3: strict no phone policy. 724 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, not allowed to have your phone on the property 725 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 5: there to augusta National, and he did, and they were like, 726 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 5: I don't care if you want a golf major. Been 727 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,439 Speaker 5: into PGA for decades, You're out of here, brother. 728 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 4: He's played the Masters eighteen times. What was he knew 729 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 4: the rules? 730 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 5: He did, of course, and he got caught and so 731 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 5: they kicked him out of there, but without Tiger Woods 732 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 5: playing in the Masters and everything, at least at this point, 733 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 5: because Tea Times just started this morning and the Master's 734 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 5: kicked off today. It's about the distractions. So it's Mark 735 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 5: Kalkovecia being removed. And then the big hubbub was yesterday 736 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 5: because Pat McAfee and Bert Kreischer and Jason Kelsey were 737 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 5: dressed up as caddies and doing some antics and jumping 738 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 5: in a pond, and all the golf snobs out there 739 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 5: were clutching their pearls talking about how they're. 740 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 4: We don't do that as a master, sullying. 741 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 5: The sanctity of Augustine National and the Masters, and how 742 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 5: awful this is, and so you better not have any 743 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 5: fun at the Masters or else we'll stop it right now. 744 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 3: Hey, another Tiger Woods news by the way, So the 745 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 3: prosecution is going after his medication records. That is the 746 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 3: direction that case is headed. Thank you, Jim, Thank you Kevin, 747 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 3: Thank you for listening. 748 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 4: This is Casey and Jim. It's ninety three WIBC.