1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Live from Vall Hartland and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: Boy Allan Baton, Donald Richard Gabagan Junior, Peter Alan Yay, 4 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: Terrence D. Gazini, Gary Paul Guidell Paul Hamilton Geyer. 5 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: And this is how it will go on for another 6 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: few hours. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be 7 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 3: with you. That is the reading of the names of 8 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 3: those lost on September eleventh, two thousand and one in 9 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 3: New York. 10 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: So this part of it came. 11 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 3: From a little after ten am Eastern, and that will 12 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 3: continue for still hours to. 13 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: Come as they are on the g's. 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: It's horrifying, and yet I consider this to be one 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 3: of the greater things we do, this recital. 16 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: It's funny. 17 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: The idea of names, while certainly mentioned throughout history, the 18 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: idea of that as memorial, it didn't really come up, 19 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 3: really didn't change until the Vietnam Memorial changed everything. Because 20 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: now when a memorial was created, I remember that. So 21 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 3: the Korean War Memorial was. 22 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: Created and you didn't have names on it, people were 23 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: infuriated by the way you hear the bell. 24 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: That's because at the time this played, it was ten 25 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: oh three, and that's when United Airlines Flight ninety three 26 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: crashed Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Now that's going to bring about its 27 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 3: own story about how I'm still alive. 28 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to get there, and they will continue reading names. 29 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 3: People were when they see now a memorial without names, 30 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 3: are like, wait, wait, what about And so when you 31 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: take a look at the memorial for. 32 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: September eleventh, the names are there all around. 33 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: And there's been a lot of controversy because there it 34 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 3: came out the amount of salaries these executives with the 35 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: nine eleven memorial making, and people are like, what in 36 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 3: the world is this. So now there's a theory that 37 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: the entire nine eleven memorial might be taken over by 38 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 3: the federal government in order to kind of eliminate that 39 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 3: level of abuse, which it certainly looks like to me. 40 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: But the commemoration, the reading of the names, this isn't 41 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 3: something that just happens. September eleventh should never be seen 42 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: as something that just happened. And I'm not saying you 43 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: take it that way, but it should be seen as 44 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 3: something that happened to people who who's suffered through this, 45 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: who was killed for no reason, It's one of the 46 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: reasons I believe, very very strongly, as I've discussed in 47 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 3: that on September eleventh, you need to watch the videos. 48 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 3: They're awful. You need to watch the plane strike the towers. 49 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: You need to watch people jump. And I know it's like, Tony, 50 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: what are you possibly kind of putting out there or 51 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 3: inferring there or preaching there. The heat was so intense 52 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: there was no escape, and some people thought that this 53 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 3: was an option. They jumped. They had to know they 54 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: were going to die. They had to know the minute 55 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: their feet left the ground it was over. But they 56 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: already believed they were dead. And this was somehow in 57 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 3: their minds as why they were going to live through it. 58 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 3: Somehow it was going to be okay. Somehow it was 59 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 3: going to work. I can't imagine. And it is to 60 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: that that I commend you to watching the videos. The firefighters, 61 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: the first responders, the Americans covered in dust. Eric swan 62 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 3: over there at Fox just announced that he has cancer 63 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: from his coverage of September eleventh. The struggles beyond sacrifice 64 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: of those who did everything they could to try and 65 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: rescue people, the people who were killed for no reason, 66 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: and the people who are still dying from September eleventh 67 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: because of what happened. It's imperative to watch these things. 68 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: It's imperative to go over these things again and again 69 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: and again, because. 70 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: To not see them and. 71 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 3: To simply say, oh, September eleventh is to be desensitized 72 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 3: to it. 73 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: It's the same way when. 74 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 3: We discuss the very concept of we don't use the 75 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: Holocaust as a political prop we don't talk about the 76 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: Holocaust is oh, this is a Holocaust. 77 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: That's all costs Nazi, that's Nazi, that Nazi the other. 78 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: We do not do that because in doing so, we 79 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: are denigrating it, we're diminishing it, as if somehow it 80 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 3: is something to be passed over. It should not be 81 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 3: nine to eleven, should not be passed over by any 82 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: stretch of the imagination. 83 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: Robert none, zero, less than zero. It should be this. 84 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: Brian F. Goldenberg, Jeffrey G. 85 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 4: Gold Slam, Stephen oh Wait, Michelle Goldstein, Monica Goldstein, Stephen 86 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 4: Ian Goldstein. 87 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 3: They have people reading it, and they make mistakes and 88 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 3: they flub and they're human, and but it's important, it's 89 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: unbelievably important. 90 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: Now. I have shared the story before and there's not 91 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: a day that goes by that I don't think about it. Enrique. 92 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: I was a restaurant manager on September eleventh. I worked 93 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 3: at the hard Rock Cafe in Washington, d C. I 94 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 3: don't think I was a good manager. As I look 95 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 3: back on it, I don't think I was bad, but 96 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: I was at the time a depressed guy, a miserable guy, 97 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 3: you know, having nothing to do with anybody, just just myself, 98 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 3: and I could not have been fun or enjoyable to 99 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 3: be around. 100 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: As as a manager. 101 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: Again, I don't think I was the worst person in 102 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 3: the world, but as I look back on it, my gosh, 103 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 3: what was I What was I doing? I needed help 104 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 3: And I don't think I handled September eleventh perfectly. 105 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: And I'll get into that as well. I was doing 106 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: a training. 107 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 3: We had a new employee and can kind of picture 108 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 3: him by for I forget his name. Uh. And I 109 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 3: was doing a training as I was a manager, and 110 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 3: some of the staff came in and said, you got 111 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: to see this, right, we have these TVs up. It 112 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: was hard Rock Cafe in d C. And this was happening, 113 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 3: and we're hearing about New York. And then you saw 114 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: the second plane hit. 115 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 4: That I wish I could share with you. 116 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: And then around d C, it was it was kind 117 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: of bedlam, right the Pentagon got hit. 118 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: Uh. 119 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 3: The the hard Rock Cafe is at ninth and E 120 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: letter E and it's right next to Ford's Theater where Abraham. 121 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: Lincoln was killed. And then across the street. 122 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 3: Is the FBI building, the Jaeger Hoover Building, and I 123 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 3: watched people run out of that building like ants out 124 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: of an anhill. That is a a strange and surreal experience, stranging, 125 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: surreal thing to witness. I called some people, right managers 126 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: and other general manager of what else? All right, we're 127 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: not gonna be open. Everyone go home. And I lived 128 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 3: in DC at the time. I lived at van Ness, 129 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 3: so by fifteen minute twenty minute depending on traffic commute 130 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: because I didn't drive the rush hour times, that took 131 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 3: three hours. And I put forth to you that the 132 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: people on flight ninety three who stormed the cockpit to 133 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 3: try to take back control of the plane before the 134 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 3: plane crashed in Shangshol, Pennsylvania, that plane was heading back 135 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: to Washington, d C. That plane, Michael multiple sources, heading 136 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 3: to see if it can crash at the White House. 137 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 3: We already had things going on with the Pentagon, and 138 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 3: there was also a lot of reports in DC about 139 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 3: car bombs all around. I remember that very very clearly. 140 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: Now it didn't happen to be true, but there was 141 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: constant reporting of that. And if it wasn't for those 142 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: on Flight ninety three trying to take back the cockpit 143 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: and that plane crashing in Shanksville, if that plane had 144 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 3: not crashed, that plane was heading for the White House. 145 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: Now the White House sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue has got 146 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 3: the OEO B on one side, got another building on the. 147 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: Other side, so it's a little bit tucked down. It's 148 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: a little hard to get to, Timothy. So what if 149 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: they didn't get to it. 150 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 3: What if they missed and they aimed just down Pennsylvania Avenue, which, 151 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 3: of course is the capital, the Capitol Rotunda, You've seen 152 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 3: it in every picture ever Donald And what if they 153 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: were aimed for that, and what if they missed in 154 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: between the Capitol and the White House? Is well, me father, 155 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: a couple of blocks up in Pennsylvania, but still there, 156 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: I am it is. It is plausible and has always 157 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 3: been in my mind that, yes, indeed, that plane could 158 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 3: have missed the White House, tried that at the Capitol, 159 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 3: crashed in between, and I wouldn't be alive. 160 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: Today. 161 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 3: I am convinced I cannot be told otherwise that those 162 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 3: people saved my life. I believe it in every single way, 163 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 3: and those people should not be forgotten. 164 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 5: Has not overcome it, like these people believe this ceremony 165 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 5: should not be forgotten. 166 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: Here today, we are the light. 167 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 5: The legacies are loved ones left for us to carry forward. 168 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 6: That is the light. 169 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 5: And America, the land of the free, home of the brave, 170 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 5: is the light. The darkness of terrorism will never overcome 171 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 5: the strength of that. Make God bless my cousin, Make 172 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 5: God bless you and your loved ones, And make God 173 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 5: bless the greatest country on earth, the United States of America. 174 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 3: I don't know who that guy is, but he could 175 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 3: run for office. That's why these things are so imperative. 176 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 3: That's why it's so imperative to go through it, to 177 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 3: remember every single year and every single day. It's why 178 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 3: I talk about watching these horrifying videos. 179 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: That's why I discuss the. 180 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 3: Importance of sharing and sharing with your kids and your grandkids, 181 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 3: and your aunts and uncles and your friends, and with 182 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 3: each other, with your spouse. Just taking a moment to 183 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 3: yourself and engage in that level of reflection, it matters greatly. 184 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: We got attacked. 185 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 3: We got attacked because others thought that we should not 186 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 3: exist our way, because somehow we were interfering with the 187 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 3: way they exist. And if you want to argue that 188 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 3: Osama bin Laden somehow had a noble cause, feel free. 189 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: There is no noble cause in this destruction. There is 190 00:11:54,559 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 3: no noble cause in this attack on innocence. Well, on 191 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: flight ninety three saved my life, and they were innocent, 192 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: and they still gave themselves freely knowing that even if 193 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 3: they didn't save themselves, they were going to save others. 194 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: Did they think it gosh? I hope so, I truly 195 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: truly hope. 196 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 3: So every September eleventh, I'm reminded of how lucky I am, 197 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 3: and I believe that to my soul to this day, 198 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 3: twenty four years later. Now I said I would share 199 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 3: how I don't think I handled September eleventh. 200 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: Well we will. 201 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 3: I don't think I understood the gravity of the situation 202 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 3: because while I was always a politically aware guy, I 203 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 3: was not a politically active guy. 204 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 7: Cail Mackenzie, Richard B. Hall, Stanley R. Hall, Basvol, George Hall, 205 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 7: Robert J. Halligan, st. 206 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: Gerard Poll. 207 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: The names continued. I mean we just got into the 208 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 3: h as, we were just in the g's. This is 209 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 3: going to go on. When I tell you that I 210 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 3: was not aware of this was terrorism, that's true story. 211 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: I didn't even think. I didn't know what had happened. 212 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 3: And even if the concept had hit me, it didn't 213 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 3: hit me until later as other people were discussing it. 214 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: I was always on the political right. 215 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 3: I was never not a conservative, but I certainly did 216 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 3: not put some things together into practice. It was it 217 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 3: was September eleventh that it's not that, you know, some 218 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: people refer to themselves as September twelve conservatives nine twelve conservatives. 219 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: That was not me. 220 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: That was not me, But rather it was the thing 221 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: that got me into I want to start talking about this. 222 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: I want to start discussing this. I want to start 223 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 3: sharing this. And started me studying, started me learning, started 224 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 3: me putting things out into the pub square and getting 225 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 3: my butt handed to me. Well you didn't think about 226 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 3: this and what about that? Oh that's a terrible idea. No, no, no, 227 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: this was tried over here, learning. 228 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: All the way around. 229 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 7: Daniel. 230 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: When I say I don't think I handled it well, 231 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 3: I think that I kind of at the time didn't 232 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 3: have an understanding of what resolved was. You know, a 233 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 3: lot of people could posture on social media, but you 234 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: ask yourself what it means. 235 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: And I was. I was never a touchy feely guy, 236 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: but that was kind of the direction I went, and Hey, 237 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: is how is everybody doing? And has everybody handling this? 238 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 3: You want to you know, are you having a you know, 239 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: what's on your head? 240 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: You got to be able to work that stuff through. 241 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: I don't know I was. I was a guy who 242 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: wasn't mentally all right, trying to think how other people 243 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: could be mentally all right. 244 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 3: When I look back on it, that was kind of Ridiculousies. 245 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: I don't think I became angrier. 246 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 3: I think I just simply said, wait a second, what 247 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 3: is the value of any statement, What is the value 248 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: of any thoughts? And what is the value of any act? 249 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: What are my statements, what are my thoughts, what are 250 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: my actions? And they are mine? And let other people 251 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: engage by example if they choose, not by some kind 252 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 3: of stroking of the hair. And saying, oh, poor baby, 253 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: But rather, hey, here's what happened. Are we all talking 254 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 3: about the same thing? 255 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: You know? 256 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 3: To what Dennis Prager has often talked about in his 257 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 3: illustrious radio career. I don't know if I want agreements, 258 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 3: but I certainly want clarity. I learned that later. It 259 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 3: all came later. Maybe for some people it didn't, but 260 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 3: it did for me. 261 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: I never looked back. That much is true. 262 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 3: As I started to get my head on straight, realize 263 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: what was wrong with me, confront those demons, work these 264 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: things through, everything became clearer, I became happier, and I 265 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: became more aware of how I can engage a conversation 266 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 3: better smarter. 267 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: I learned along the way. 268 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 3: I learned that there are things that I did not 269 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 3: know and things that I were not thinking, was not 270 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 3: thinking about that I needed to. I learned that there 271 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: I can't tell people how to feel. I can only 272 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 3: engage a way of how I am handling something and 273 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: engage the very concept of utilizing example. But I could 274 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: share a story and I wanted to, and I could 275 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 3: share a thought and I wanted to, And from that, 276 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 3: thank you kind of led me here, And I'm glad 277 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 3: I'm here with you, Peter. And it is a rough 278 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: day because it's September eleventh, twenty four years later. And 279 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: it is a rough day because we are twenty four 280 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 3: hours past the assassination of Charlie Kirktt is all rough. 281 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 3: The only thing I still feel I can do is say, listen, 282 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 3: here's how I'm going to deal with it. I woke 283 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: up today and I said today is going to be tough, 284 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: but I can get through it. And I'm going to 285 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: wake up tomorrow and I'm going to say to myself 286 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: it might be. 287 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: Rough, but I can get through it. 288 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 3: Anthony, good attitude, an understanding of the world, a respect 289 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 3: for rationality, games my values intact, and being unrelenting with them. 290 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 8: Philip. 291 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: So, if there's anything you can take from that by example, 292 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 3: I'm very happy. I think that's great. Maybe you can 293 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 3: do even better. And good on you. September eleventh, twenty 294 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 3: four years later. Thank you to the people of Flight 295 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 3: ninety three. This is Tony Kats today, John F. 296 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 8: Keefer, mcman, Michelle M. Heidenberger, Sheila ms heine H, Joseph 297 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 8: Heller Junior. 298 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 3: So I have article four, Do I hear Article five? 299 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 3: Tony Katz Tony Katz today, good to be with you. 300 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 3: This is Poland saying, hey, NATO, we just got hit 301 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 3: with a lot of Russian drones and they know they 302 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 3: did it, and it wasn't an accident. They did it 303 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 3: on purpose. They're escalating, So why don't we all just 304 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 3: recognize that Article five is coming next, which means an 305 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 3: attack on one is an attack on all. And if 306 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 3: that's the case, I expect you here at the house 307 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 3: at about five thirty guns drawn, ready to kill some Russians. 308 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 3: You in because you signed, you said you'd be in, 309 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: So let's just assume you're in. Okay, I'll let you know. 310 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: I'll let you know if we're doing that. All right, Thanks, 311 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 3: I mean, good gosh, this is happening, Tony Katz. Tony 312 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: Katz today, I forget some times if I say, hello, 313 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 3: you had these nineteen Russian military drones, some launch from 314 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: Belarus entering Polish airspace. This during a large scale assault 315 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 3: on Ukraine. Yes, there's a serious push from Russia on 316 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 3: Ukraine because what they're trying to do is further degrade Ukraine. 317 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 3: So Ukraine feels like they have to make a deal 318 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 3: by giving up land and Russia gets what it's wants, 319 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 3: if it has to come to some level of deal 320 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 3: and agree to something that the United States wants. And 321 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 3: look at us, right, they're just trying to engage the 322 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 3: pressure now to get what they desire. There's also a 323 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 3: theory that Donald Trump it's slow rolling aid to Ukraine 324 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: to get Ukraine to give in. And now you're seeing 325 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 3: Russia engage in this attack on Poland to get everybody 326 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 3: to say, hey, hey, hey, hey, what are you doing, 327 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 3: to which Russia says, well, if we just get some 328 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 3: more land, then oh, these mistakes will stop. 329 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: It's the Russians. 330 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 3: The stuff is never gonna stop until they're stopped. But yeah, 331 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 3: NATO is one step closer to a real fight. Europe 332 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 3: is in this fight, but the United States is compelled 333 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 3: by treaty. 334 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: And if anybody thinks that treaty. 335 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 3: Is not going to hold and we're not gonna come 336 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 3: to the aid of our allies in NATO, we don't 337 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 3: come to the aid of Poland, we don't live up 338 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 3: to our word, We're gonna lose a lot of friends. 339 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: And yes it matters. This is Tony Katz today. 340 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 3: I have never been one to not speak about my 341 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 3: Judaism but I don't think I've ever discussed the idea 342 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 3: of faith. For me, that's not my conversation as I 343 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: approach things here on the show, as I approach things 344 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: in my life, my judaism is. 345 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: There, But I talk about logic. 346 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: They're always about reason. They're always about what is the 347 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 3: principle for which we are standing engaging, And sometimes that 348 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: principle does have its faith components. But I find myself 349 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 3: always on the conversation of to each their faith and 350 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 3: let them have it and have at it. That is 351 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 3: different than you should keep it in the home and 352 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 3: quiet and not for the world. I don't believe that 353 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 3: at all. Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, good to be 354 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: with you into the discussion of the assassination of Charlie 355 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: Kirk yesterday at the age of thirty one, as he 356 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 3: was speaking at Utah Valley University. He was not one 357 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: to share that view. 358 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: We were not friends, we did not know each other. 359 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 3: We met once that I remember, But he was someone 360 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 3: who's folk of his faith. Regularly, Josh Hammer joins me 361 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 3: right now Newsweek Senior editor at large, host of The 362 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 3: Josh Hammer Show. 363 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: Josh writes frequently. 364 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 3: He has written about anti Semitism, writes about our political 365 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 3: climate and culture. And as you had posted on Twitter 366 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: X yesterday, you have a book coming out and you 367 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 3: were speaking with Charlie about it, and Charlie was going 368 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 3: to be utilizing the book and sharing information about the 369 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 3: book on this tour that he was doing, the American. 370 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: Comingback Tour and all the colleges that he would go to. 371 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: I did not know you guys were that close. 372 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 3: So let's start with your thoughts on Charlie Kirk and 373 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 3: this horrific assassination that took place. 374 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 6: Sure, Tonys going to shout to you. 375 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 5: Yes. 376 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 6: So my book actually came out earlier this year in March, 377 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 6: Israel and Civilization, the Fate of the Jewish Nation and 378 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 6: Destiny in the West. I went on the Charlie Kirk 379 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 6: Show on the publication day of the book actually, and 380 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 6: I signed a copy of the book for Charlie when 381 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 6: I saw him in person, I guess for the last time, 382 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 6: just over a month ago up in New York. So 383 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 6: we were in close touch about these issues pertaining to us, 384 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 6: his relations, Jewish Christian relations, rising anti Semitism. I've known 385 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 6: Charlie for years. I first got know him a little 386 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 6: bit when I was the opinion editor and Newsweek now 387 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 6: I have a different title. When I was running the 388 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 6: op ed section, Charlie was actually a regular columnist for 389 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 6: US for a while there, so I first got to 390 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 6: know him through that, and then he first invited me 391 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 6: to do a Turning Points conference event back in twenty 392 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 6: twenty one, and he loved the event we did so 393 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 6: much that we immediately ran them stairs afterwards do an 394 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 6: additional hour bonus Richilla for his podcast, And we kind 395 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 6: of got closer over the past year year and a 396 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 6: half or so, and it got to the point where 397 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 6: we were essentially daily communication at that was all these issues, 398 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 6: And it's true that I spoke with him, I guess 399 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 6: the final time less than twenty four hours before a 400 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 6: cowardly affets and gunned him down. We were doing a 401 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 6: little little just little zoom pow out just in advance 402 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 6: of this campus tour. This is the very first event 403 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 6: of what was supposed to be a prolonged, lengthy campus tours. 404 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 6: It was the very first event and we you know, 405 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 6: he asked for me and a couple others kind of 406 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 6: try to give him, you know, good talking points, you know, 407 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 6: good arguments when it comes to the inevitable, inevitable anti 408 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 6: Semitism and anti Israel sentiments that now kind of flows 409 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 6: out of a lot of these campus events these days. 410 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 6: And he had joked me, he said, you know, josh'n 411 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 6: just you know, points to your book. He said, Josh, 412 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 6: I'm going to help you sell so many book copies 413 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 6: on this book tour. So we had gotten close. He 414 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 6: was a really, really remarkable person, Tony, And you know, 415 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 6: I think at some point soon I will be able 416 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 6: to take some solace in all that he did and 417 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 6: be able to to double down in my motivation to 418 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 6: do that which I can to further all the causes 419 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 6: that he held, dear, But today is really just a 420 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 6: day where I'm still increaf in mourning and it's just 421 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 6: really difficult times. 422 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 3: Talking to Josh Hammer of Newsweek, now we've talked about 423 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 3: the book. 424 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: I had you on to discuss the book. 425 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: I didn't realize it was the same book Israel and Civilization, 426 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 3: The Faith of the Jewish Nation and the Destiny of 427 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 3: the West. You can get that at Amazon dot com 428 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 3: wherever fine books are sold. I didn't realize it was 429 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 3: the same book that was being referenced my mistake there. 430 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 3: But the very conversation of faith which has been on 431 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 3: the uptick, and I have heard about more people coming 432 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 3: to Catholicism than I ever have ever. And I'm like, 433 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 3: you know, the Jews are over here and we have 434 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 3: great food, but still coming to the Catholicism. This engagement 435 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 3: of faith and TOTO and really this public expression of faith, 436 00:24:54,080 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 3: I don't ever lie. It's being somebody with a over 437 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 3: public expressions of faith. It's not my way. 438 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I. 439 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 3: Discussed my Judaism here, but I don't engage. It's not 440 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 3: a daily part of what I do or how people 441 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 3: would think of me, my brand, how they know me. 442 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 3: But it certainly was for Charlie as you see American 443 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: engage conversations. Is it just that part of the world 444 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 3: that was paying attention to Charlie Kirk paying attention to 445 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: the campus tours or do you think that there is 446 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 3: a real faith resurgence going on in America? 447 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 6: Charlie was a particularly important voice from a safe perspective 448 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 6: in this exact moment that we find ourselves in, Tony. 449 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 6: And let me explain why that is so. First of all, 450 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 6: let me just say what ought to be obvious that 451 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 6: perhaps isn't for everyone. He genuinely was a cursion of 452 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 6: sincere faith. There are a lot of people in elected 453 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 6: Republican politics and conservative media who call themselves Christians but 454 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 6: don't necessarily walk the walk that's taught the talk was 455 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 6: a genuine, sincerely believing devouts Evangelic christian. He genuinely believed 456 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 6: Scripture to be the to be the ineffable word of God. 457 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 6: And I think even more relevant for that for the 458 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 6: current moment we find ourselves in, is that his form 459 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 6: of Christianity, his form of Prosentism, was the prosentism the 460 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 6: Christianity of the American Founding. I actually was just speaking 461 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 6: about this tony literally last week at the National Consurgent 462 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 6: and Conference in Washington, DC. My speech at the conference 463 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 6: was titled the Hebrew Bible and Western Civilization, and I 464 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 6: was basically making an appeal to Protestants and Evangelicals to 465 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 6: recover the Christianity of the American Founding, which rooted itself 466 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 6: in the Hebrew Bible, the Old Testament, as opposed to 467 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 6: some of the more fringe stuff that we see from 468 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 6: the folks of Tucker, Carlston and so forth. Charlie had 469 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 6: the same Christianity of the American founding. I mean, this 470 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 6: is a man Tony who literally observed his version of 471 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 6: about the Jewish Sabbath from Friday night to Saturday night. 472 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk would turn his phone off. You know, Charlie, 473 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 6: before you and I came on, I watched this amazing clip. 474 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 6: It's two man eclip on Instagram for the first time. 475 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 6: He and his wife Erica getting asked a question about 476 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 6: this exact point about Cupan the Sabbath and the way 477 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 6: that he was talking about it, about how God created 478 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 6: the world in six days and the seventh days for us. 479 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 6: He literally sounded like an Orthodox Jew. And this is 480 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 6: someone who has repeatedly said that the Torah, the Five 481 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 6: Books of Moses, is the underpinning not merely of Judaism, 482 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 6: but his own Christian faith. He speaks movingly, or he 483 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 6: spoke movingly about how he used to study trah with 484 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 6: Dennis Praeger, one of his mentors. Another one of his 485 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 6: mentors was the great late David Horowitz, who was also 486 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 6: a profound champion of the Geneo Christian Alliance and the 487 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 6: US Israel Alliance. This was really really core to Charlie's identity. 488 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 6: He was a robust, robust member of Teen Civilization versus 489 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 6: Team Barbarism. And he understood that it's not Christendom, it's 490 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 6: not merely Christianity, the religion that's built Western civilization. It's 491 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 6: not merely the Christians who are part of this Western 492 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 6: civilization alliance. He completely intuited and understood that the original 493 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 6: people of the book, that Jewish people have a very 494 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 6: special role to play in this alliance as well. And 495 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 6: that's one of the many reasons, many reasons why his 496 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 6: loss is just so devastating at this time, because there 497 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 6: are a lot of folks out there, a lot of 498 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 6: provocateurist propagandists who are trying really hard this moment to 499 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 6: not merely distance the US MI Israel, but trying to 500 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 6: distance Christians from Jews. And Charlie was one of the 501 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 6: most important voices, arguably the most important voice in the 502 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 6: country trying to keep the alliance together, trying to heal 503 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 6: that gap, trying to heal any wounds that were festering there. 504 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 6: And you know, I just pray Tony that that his 505 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 6: version of Christianity ultimately prevails in America and not Tucker 506 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 6: Carlston's version of Christianity, because that would look quite different, 507 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 6: not just for the Jews, but for America itself. 508 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 3: Talking to Josh Hammer of Newsweek, that story the Hebrew 509 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 3: Bible and Western civilization. You can find that at newsweek 510 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 3: dot com. A preview of the Josh Hammer Report. You 511 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: can check that out for yourself. It'll come straight into 512 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: your inbox if you subscribe, and you should do so immediately, 513 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 3: if not sooner. We could get into a conversation about 514 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 3: the provocatories. We could talk about what has happened with 515 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson and which is obscene, and certainly Candice Owens, 516 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 3: which maybe was always there, certainly, but rather sticking with 517 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 3: the focus here, sticking with Charlie Kirkin, sticking with what 518 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 3: has taken place, with the crowds that would gather and 519 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 3: the impact had you saw that impact take place? The 520 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: question that I got to not was whether or not 521 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 3: he was an important voice, which I don't disagree with, 522 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 3: but rather have have you seen a faith impact on 523 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 3: the same student body that would show up to these 524 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 3: you know, prove me wrong events where really a large 525 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 3: amount of it was watching Charlie bat around a progressive 526 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 3: nonsense like a cat with a mouse. 527 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 6: Well, Charlie knew what he was doing. I mean, he 528 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 6: knew what he was doing when he was putting himself 529 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 6: on these canvases. Now I'm not to say that he 530 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 6: knew that he was subjecting himself to a two hundred 531 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 6: yard sniper assassin's rifle, and that's obviously not what I'm saying, 532 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 6: But he knew that he was going into the lines. 533 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 6: Then he was well aware of that. 534 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: That was a big part of what he. 535 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 6: Was trying to do. Actually, I mean, it was not 536 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 6: his intent to simply try to just talk with those 537 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 6: part of the right wing conservative cause. Already, he was 538 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 6: not just trying to talk to turning point in USA 539 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 6: campus activists. He was actively trying to elicit trying to 540 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 6: draw out folks who robustly disagreed with him on all 541 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 6: drubn issues transgenderism, abortion, immigration, you name it. And those 542 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 6: are his most viral eclips over the years are the 543 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 6: left wing students who profoundly disagreed with him, and he 544 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 6: was trying to, among other things, model and example. He 545 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 6: was trying to model not merely courage and conviction and 546 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 6: standing for truth and principle in his Christian faith and conservatism. 547 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 6: But he also was trying to model a robust with 548 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 6: simple exchange of ideas. I mean, Tonny, he literally died 549 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 6: as a martyr for free speech. That is literally what 550 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 6: happened yesterday in Utah. Was he sitting under this canopy 551 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 6: that says, prove me wrong. So he's trying to elicit 552 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 6: in a free speech dialogue leftist to prove him wrong. 553 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 6: He believed robustly in free speech. This is actually one 554 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 6: of the things, to be clear, I also support free speech, 555 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 6: but sometimes when it comms SENNETI semitism on campus Title six. 556 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 6: You know, we had some nuanced disagreements over the limits 557 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 6: of free speech versus incitement and so forth there. But 558 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 6: he was a true free speech absolutist. He believed in 559 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 6: that with every single fiber of his being. And look, 560 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 6: I mean talking about, you know, getting someone down the 561 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 6: cron in his life at age thirty one, a young 562 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 6: father and husband. It's unconscionably horrific. It's just absolutely awful. 563 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 6: But I guess there's any silver line to this whatsoever. 564 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 2: It's that he. 565 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 6: Died as a martyr for one of the most cherished 566 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 6: ideals that he held, which was the right to civil 567 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 6: exchange and free speech, which, by the way, we have 568 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 6: a long ways to go really to recover that tradition 569 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 6: here in America, that is for sure, but Charlie's doing 570 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 6: more than anyone to make sure that hopefully happens. 571 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 3: I don't want anybody dying as martyrs to ensure that 572 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 3: we have free speech and the ability to engage, which 573 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 3: leads us to what's next. 574 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: You know, the amount of people who reach out to 575 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: me to ask me if I'm okay? All right? 576 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 3: I do local radio, I do national radio, not as 577 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 3: big as Charlie Kirk by any stretch of the imagination, 578 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 3: asking if I'm okay, And the answer is, well, I'm 579 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 3: as okay as anybody else. But eventually, if these people 580 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: feel in bold and they're going to come after everybody, 581 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 3: and I'm. 582 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: Certainly on that list like you, Josh would be on 583 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: that list. 584 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 3: So as you discussed with people, you talk about this 585 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 3: with people, will we still have about sixty seconds? 586 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: What's your advice on how to proceed? 587 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 6: Tony? I don't have all the answers. Unfortunately, the problem 588 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 6: that folks like you and I face is that a 589 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 6: lot of this rod is coming from the left. The 590 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 6: left has a disproportionately hyperpensity to political violence. There are 591 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 6: accountless examples now that prove that. And there's only so 592 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 6: much that folks on the right can do to try 593 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 6: to get the left's own house in order. So that's 594 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 6: part of the frustrating part is that I feel somewhat helpless. 595 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 6: A lot of it is the ultimately going to be 596 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 6: Democrats and the left kind of policing their own political 597 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 6: rhetoric and so forth there. But all the books that 598 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 6: you and I can do this moment is guest gree 599 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 6: for a lass, but to double down on the mission 600 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 6: to make sure that none of this ever, ever, ever, ever, 601 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 6: ever goes to vane, ever goes to waste, and that 602 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 6: we just fight harder than ever for all the various ideals. 603 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 6: But Charlie and all of us on the right hold 604 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 6: to be so dear. You know, rule of law, one nation, 605 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 6: under God, all men of create equal secure borders, national sovereignty, 606 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,240 Speaker 6: et cetera, et cetera. These are the ideals that motivated 607 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk, and these are the ideals that should motivate 608 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 6: you and I and all of our friends and Allies 609 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 6: Stelling coach. 610 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 3: Josh Hammer over there at newsweek dot com. The book 611 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 3: Israel and Civilization, The Fate of the Jewish Nation and 612 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 3: the Destiny of the West. 613 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,959 Speaker 1: Find that at Amazon dot com wherever fine books are sold. Josh, 614 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. More. Coming up, I'm Tony Katz. 615 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 3: So while we still have the manhunt for a shooter, 616 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 3: we did have the FBI come out to say there. 617 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: Was a bolt action rifle. This about, of course, the 618 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: assassination of Charlie Kirk. 619 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 3: We know how the shooter got through the building and 620 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 3: up to the roof, and then how oh I got 621 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 3: down and then running through a neighborhood. And the ammunition 622 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 3: in the shooting engraved with transgender, anti fascist ideology. 623 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: This is the Wall Street Journal reporting. 624 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 3: I had seen this reporting and wanted to get some 625 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:26,919 Speaker 3: confirmation that it was indeed accurate. Yes, yes, yes, yes, 626 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 3: the AMMA was inscribed this, I guess now a thing 627 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 3: that these violent people do horrifying on every level, but 628 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 3: the very idea that it had this kind of stuff 629 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 3: on it. 630 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: This doesn't surprise anybody. 631 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 3: Expressions of transgender and anti fascist ideology inside the rifle. 632 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 3: We're used to this. This has become the standard of 633 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 3: the violence. I appreciate you spending a very difficult day 634 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 3: with me. 635 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: You're loved. I've got you tomorrow. Everyone take care.