WEBVTT - Tony Katz on His Newsmax Hit with Dennis Kucinich

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start with Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>It's now a battleground for the soul of the Democrat Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Tony does socialism went out today?

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<v Speaker 3>Now? The answer to that question is a little more

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<v Speaker 3>involved than what you can do on a TV hit.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was on Newsmax earlier today.

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<v Speaker 3>They pitted me against Dennis Kassinich, who I admit to

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<v Speaker 3>you I didn't know was still alive. Tony Katz, Tony

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<v Speaker 3>Katz today, so good to be with you. Find everything

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<v Speaker 3>I do at Tony Katz dot com. You remember the

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<v Speaker 3>name Dennis Kasinich was at one time in the nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 3>he was the mayor of Cleveland, and then he was

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<v Speaker 3>a longtime congressman until he was defeated I think in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twelve by Marcy Captor, who is still the member

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<v Speaker 3>of Congress. Marcy Captor was the one who, like two

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<v Speaker 3>days ago, was involved in a hit and run. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>she's a Democrat, represents that area of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone who hit her car as she was going to church.

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<v Speaker 3>She had person driving her hit the car, She got

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<v Speaker 3>really injured and then ran off. Crazy, crazy story. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>glad she's okay. I mean, we may disagree politically, but

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<v Speaker 3>tell I don't want her getting hurt in.

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<v Speaker 1>A car accident.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone reminded me that it was four years ago that

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<v Speaker 3>Congresswoman Jackie Wilarski was killed in a car accident.

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<v Speaker 1>She was in Indiana.

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<v Speaker 3>She was lovely Jackie Wilriski was lovely Republican, really really nice,

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<v Speaker 3>very nice to me. But she was in the car

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<v Speaker 3>where somebody else was driving, and two other staffers and whether.

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<v Speaker 1>Her car, I think it was the car she was in.

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<v Speaker 3>Went over the lines and the other car came head

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<v Speaker 3>on and everybody was killed. Awful, awful story. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>Dennis Caercentach. I swear to you. I didn't know Dennis

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<v Speaker 3>Coccentach was still alive. Dennis Cascinach has claimed to fame

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<v Speaker 3>was that Dennis Caercentach was a radicalized progressive before it

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<v Speaker 3>was cool. Dennis Cascinach was doing this before Bernie Sanders.

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<v Speaker 3>Dennis Kasinich has been on this for a tick. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>he is wrong about everything, but he comes from an older.

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<v Speaker 1>School of thought where you can actually talk.

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<v Speaker 3>And I knew this imediate like I did not know

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<v Speaker 3>I was on with Dennis until like ten minutes before

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<v Speaker 3>I was on because I knew that the topic, but

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know the person, and I was like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>my gosh, the original Kamie og Like that's who he is.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's a different, different, different mentality. Where I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 3>vehemently opposed to the politics, I don't have to be

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<v Speaker 3>vehemently opposed to the human beings. It's like, Okay, this

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<v Speaker 3>is very, very interesting. So we're talking about the Michigan race.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, we've got that primary Abduel Lsayed against Haley Stevens.

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<v Speaker 3>Haley Stevens is the representative. Abdulah l Sayed is the

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<v Speaker 3>communist who claims to not believe in monopolies but absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>wants force universal healthcare right medicare for all, but doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>believe in monopolies, which is so so adorable, so adorable.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh and speaking in mosques where people are violent against

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<v Speaker 3>Jews and call Jews parasites in the whole thing, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>not my guy. And I'd asked some people I know

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<v Speaker 3>in the area, you know, Michigan itself, where do they

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<v Speaker 3>think things are going? And if you're basing things on

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<v Speaker 3>your Facebook feed, your Facebook feed isn't going to give

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<v Speaker 3>you a good story and so I was listening, I'm like, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that, But out of that is going to

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<v Speaker 3>tell me do I think the polling is right? Do

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<v Speaker 3>I think the polling that had been lately trending for

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<v Speaker 3>LSIED is accurate. Some of those poles, like five or

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<v Speaker 3>six of them had him up double digits plus thirteen

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<v Speaker 3>and plus sixteen. I don't buy that. Do I believe

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<v Speaker 3>he could win? Yes, I do believe he could win.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was asked, let's start. So this is from

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<v Speaker 3>my appearance, it was Logan Radick asking the question, what

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<v Speaker 3>do I think is coming right here? Well, even if

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<v Speaker 3>it's Haley Stevens, you can argue that for the Democrats,

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<v Speaker 3>for where they're going, who they're supporting, who their leadership is,

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<v Speaker 3>who the leadership listens to, who their social media influences are,

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<v Speaker 3>that it is winning the day. Whether we talk about

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<v Speaker 3>on college campuses or we talk about anywhere else, they're

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<v Speaker 3>still going to be a force and a problematic one

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<v Speaker 3>for America's future.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if Haley Stevens pulls this out.

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<v Speaker 3>We shouldn't think that Haley Stevens has anything in her

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<v Speaker 3>that shows her to be a conservative, but the election

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<v Speaker 3>of Abdul lsayed for the political left, for those who

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<v Speaker 3>support the DSA and their communist desires, this is just

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<v Speaker 3>more fuel, more saying look how right we are, lookout

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<v Speaker 3>around the right track we are, and more for the Democrats,

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<v Speaker 3>people like Hakeem Jeffries to realize that you have lost

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<v Speaker 3>all control and all ability to have control of your

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<v Speaker 3>party if they should take back the House, which is

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<v Speaker 3>still something in great question, never mind what we might

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<v Speaker 3>see in the Senate as we see the Senate primary today. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>my Hakeem Jeffrey's point is taken. Although I should have

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<v Speaker 3>talked about the Senate first before the House. But I

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<v Speaker 3>want to dig in a little bit because that's correct

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<v Speaker 3>that win or lose, these communes ain't going no place.

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<v Speaker 3>Do we all understand that you could put all eyes

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<v Speaker 3>to the Senate primary, and certainly right now it is

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<v Speaker 3>all eyes on the Senate primary, and they can decide

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<v Speaker 3>that this is a referendum on whether or not the

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<v Speaker 3>communists have taken over the Democratic Party or not. But

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<v Speaker 3>we know better, we do. We're observing to people, We're

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<v Speaker 3>not going to buy into that play into that. We

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<v Speaker 3>know better, and what we know is that they have

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<v Speaker 3>already done the takeover and the fact that some election

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<v Speaker 3>may not go their way is not going to deter them,

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<v Speaker 3>not in the slightest.

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<v Speaker 1>They are who they are, and they are at where

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<v Speaker 1>they are at.

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<v Speaker 3>And the people in power have koutout and given in

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<v Speaker 3>to them.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is it.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what Representative Alexandria A. Cassia Cortes and Iana Presley,

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<v Speaker 3>Mahida Sealib and ilhan Omar and the squad and Bernie

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<v Speaker 3>Sanders and Chris van Holland, this is what they have wanted.

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<v Speaker 4>And it is here, and it's not going to go

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<v Speaker 4>away quietly. Why would anybody think that? The question now

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<v Speaker 4>goes to Dennis Cassinich.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, obviously the idea of lsa Ed winning is scary,

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<v Speaker 5>but Congressmen couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Elsayed victory perhaps be.

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<v Speaker 5>Good for Republicans in Michigan in the way that such

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<v Speaker 5>an extreme candidate would turn voters away from the Democrats

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<v Speaker 5>and maybe towards Republicans Mike Rodgers, for example, or kuld

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<v Speaker 5>say Ed's victory backfire.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, remember you've heard it here. First, l Siege is

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<v Speaker 6>going to be the next Senator from the state of Michigan,

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<v Speaker 6>and I'm going to explain why. First of all, he's

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<v Speaker 6>going to win the primary because of the very powerful

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<v Speaker 6>backlash among Democrats of corporations and political action committees like

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<v Speaker 6>APEX attempting to control the Democrat across this as number one. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 6>he'll win in November because the economy is going to

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<v Speaker 6>be in the shambles because of the unwise decisions that

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<v Speaker 6>the Trump administration has made with respect to foreign policy

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<v Speaker 6>that is increasing inflation, driving up the cost of energy,

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<v Speaker 6>and putting America in a very difficult position worldwide with

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<v Speaker 6>respect to our national security. He will be the next senator.

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<v Speaker 6>Just remember that I said that you can play this

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<v Speaker 6>back to day after the election.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I was shaking my head. I was shaking my head.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to jump in on this hard didn't. I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't I jump and said, who whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, this APAC talk is ridiculous. You sound silly.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I could have gone to a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>other things, But I did not jump in. The hosts

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<v Speaker 3>came back in and they were asking their questions and

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<v Speaker 3>the cop and but I wanted to make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>at least did respond to some of it. I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>respond to the apax part, but I did respond to

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<v Speaker 3>the economy part, because if you think the economy is

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<v Speaker 3>in shambles, you're wrong. As we discussed yesterday with doctor

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<v Speaker 3>Matt Will, economist at the University of Indianapolis, No no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>no no no. Even the GDP one point five percent

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't make any sense. It's way better and stronger than that.

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<v Speaker 3>Thus the question gets it comes to me, and I

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<v Speaker 3>gets asked.

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<v Speaker 2>Like this twenty eighteen, where l said was promising driver's

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<v Speaker 2>licenses to illegal immigrants.

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<v Speaker 1>He made the comments.

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<v Speaker 2>While he was running for governor in that primary against

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<v Speaker 2>Gretchen Whitmer, arguing illegal immigrants are quote stuck without licenses.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's exactly what he said.

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<v Speaker 7>We've also got to make sure that in this state

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<v Speaker 7>we are not discriminating by documentation status. Right now, if

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<v Speaker 7>you're undocumented, you don't get access to a driver's license,

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<v Speaker 7>so you're stuck. You don't get access to a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of the basic things the state offers everybody else. And

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's ridiculous, and so we've got to stop

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<v Speaker 7>discrimination to discriminating that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Election experts say the proposal would effectively legitimize illegal presence

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<v Speaker 2>in the US, as driver's licenses would serve as national

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<v Speaker 2>ID cards, opening doors to bank accounts, employment eligibility, and

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<v Speaker 2>apartment rentals.

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<v Speaker 3>Tony, your thoughts. So two things here. The first, I

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<v Speaker 3>address what Cacinich said earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>This ridiculous concept that the only issue with an illegal

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<v Speaker 3>immigrant is documentation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that they don't have papers. Well, a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, the idea a congressman that the economy

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<v Speaker 3>is in shambles. I'm not a guy who's a fan

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<v Speaker 3>of tariffs. I'm a guy who can see higher prices

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<v Speaker 3>at a grocery store. But if you take a look

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<v Speaker 3>at the one point five percent GDP, you have to

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<v Speaker 3>figure in the fact that government is doing much less spending.

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<v Speaker 1>If government spending has figured into.

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<v Speaker 3>Growth a domestic product, right, and how our country is doing,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a serious issue that Keynesian methodology is totally flawed

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<v Speaker 3>and shouldn't be considered.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand at all why.

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<v Speaker 3>Anybody would think that documentation is the issue when the

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<v Speaker 3>issue is whether or not you entered the country illegally.

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<v Speaker 3>What else Ayida is saying there is that nobody is illegal.

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<v Speaker 3>All you need is a piece of paper and everything's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>There is no conversation about how you entered in America.

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<v Speaker 3>Had this conversation. We put it to the test. We

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<v Speaker 3>went to the ballot box and we voted for President

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<v Speaker 3>Trump to ensure that people were in the country legally,

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<v Speaker 3>that we were removing the people in the country illegally.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the smart, proper, rational course. And what else

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<v Speaker 3>said is arguing here is that we should have open borders,

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<v Speaker 3>should have no borders, and that has been roundly rejected

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<v Speaker 3>by Americans, and I hope that continues even in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I missed something there. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>hit that well. Now, Dennis Casinich, as I said, was lovely.

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<v Speaker 3>He's wrong, but lovely. And this led into a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of a back and forth as he was asked the

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<v Speaker 3>next question.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, as we know, the battle isn't just over candidates,

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<v Speaker 5>it's also over their leading voices in the media, those

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<v Speaker 5>voices that are actually influencing this new wave of voters.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the most controversial, as we know, Hassan Piker.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's just a little bit of what he's recently said.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that how he lost his fuckings, I because he

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<v Speaker 1>got us looking. I hope America deserved nine to eleven. Dude,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, just listening to him talk, it's absolute insanity.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not sure how he has such powerful influence over people,

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<v Speaker 5>but that says a lot about this new wave of voters.

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<v Speaker 5>James Carvill, on that note, has threatened to leave the

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<v Speaker 5>Democratic Party if in fact, hasan Piker becomes a force,

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<v Speaker 5>saying quote, We're not going to be in the same party.

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<v Speaker 5>One of us is going to leave. So Congressman, who's

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<v Speaker 5>going to be the one leaving?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first of.

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<v Speaker 6>All, there are many different voices of people who want

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<v Speaker 6>to identify with both political parties. I don't really know

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<v Speaker 6>mister Piker. I've never met him, but I will say

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<v Speaker 6>that I don't agree that America deserved nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm hopeful that we're looking at an election where we

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<v Speaker 6>can actually focus on issues and not the personalities. The

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<v Speaker 6>issues ought to be America getting out of these foreign wars,

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<v Speaker 6>and right now we're looking at at a military budget,

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<v Speaker 6>a Pentagon budge to one point five trillion dollars, like

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<v Speaker 6>eight percent of domestic spending, discretionary spending going for that.

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<v Speaker 6>We can't sustain that. America has to start taking care

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<v Speaker 6>of things here at home instead of running around the

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<v Speaker 6>world looking for dragons to slay. I hope that that's

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<v Speaker 6>what this election becomes about. Because it's about personalities, it

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<v Speaker 6>just ends up. It just ends up being a mess.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you saw what he just did there, right.

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<v Speaker 3>The question was about Hassan Piker, who is the Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>mouthpiece right now, he's the COMMI mouthpiece. And what the congressman,

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<v Speaker 3>the former congressman, did hear is say I'm not going

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<v Speaker 3>to address that now. Were plenty of voices. Here's the

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<v Speaker 3>real issue. I did not let that go by.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a democratic right now.

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<v Speaker 8>An That's just an interesting deflection because the question was

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<v Speaker 8>about Hassan Piker, who Democrats are rallying around, who they

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<v Speaker 8>are connecting with, who they want to be seen with,

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<v Speaker 8>who they are campaigning with.

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<v Speaker 1>And we can't deflect too. We shouldn't be involved in

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<v Speaker 1>a war.

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<v Speaker 3>Iran, by the way, has been in a war with

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<v Speaker 3>us for forty seven years, and they must be dealt

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<v Speaker 3>with one way or another. But we can't deflect, and you, sir,

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<v Speaker 3>cannot deflect from where Democrats are. They are with this,

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<v Speaker 3>communist with this is Lomist, with us on Piker, and

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<v Speaker 3>a whole bunch of others in a lot of these

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<v Speaker 3>radical ideas, and I can't really be denied or deflected away, Tony.

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<v Speaker 6>I'd love to have a longer discussion with you. We

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<v Speaker 6>literally let me tell you something. The Democratic Party isn't

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<v Speaker 6>full of comedies. They're not full of socialists. They're capitalists,

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<v Speaker 6>except that we've got an inversion here where in America.

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<v Speaker 6>We have socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's not true. Although we can talk about subsidies

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<v Speaker 3>all you want. I really appreciate News Max letting me

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<v Speaker 3>go and engage this way eleven minutes on cable news.

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<v Speaker 1>Rare stuff. I'll have it posted on the YouTube channel.

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<v Speaker 1>Check it out for yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Just look for Tony Katz and at Tony kats dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Tony Katz today.