Speaker 1: Let's start with Michigan.
Speaker 2: It's now a battleground for the soul of the Democrat Party.
Speaker 1: Tony does socialism went out today?
Speaker 3: Now? The answer to that question is a little more
Speaker 3: involved than what you can do on a TV hit.
Speaker 1: But I was on Newsmax earlier today.
Speaker 3: They pitted me against Dennis Kassinich, who I admit to
Speaker 3: you I didn't know was still alive. Tony Katz, Tony
Speaker 3: Katz today, so good to be with you. Find everything
Speaker 3: I do at Tony Katz dot com. You remember the
Speaker 3: name Dennis Kasinich was at one time in the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 3: he was the mayor of Cleveland, and then he was
Speaker 3: a longtime congressman until he was defeated I think in
Speaker 3: twenty twelve by Marcy Captor, who is still the member
Speaker 3: of Congress. Marcy Captor was the one who, like two
Speaker 3: days ago, was involved in a hit and run. All right,
Speaker 3: she's a Democrat, represents that area of Ohio.
Speaker 1: Someone who hit her car as she was going to church.
Speaker 3: She had person driving her hit the car, She got
Speaker 3: really injured and then ran off. Crazy, crazy story. I'm
Speaker 3: glad she's okay. I mean, we may disagree politically, but
Speaker 3: tell I don't want her getting hurt in.
Speaker 1: A car accident.
Speaker 3: Someone reminded me that it was four years ago that
Speaker 3: Congresswoman Jackie Wilarski was killed in a car accident.
Speaker 1: She was in Indiana.
Speaker 3: She was lovely Jackie Wilriski was lovely Republican, really really nice,
Speaker 3: very nice to me. But she was in the car
Speaker 3: where somebody else was driving, and two other staffers and whether.
Speaker 1: Her car, I think it was the car she was in.
Speaker 3: Went over the lines and the other car came head
Speaker 3: on and everybody was killed. Awful, awful story. So it's
Speaker 3: Dennis Caercentach. I swear to you. I didn't know Dennis
Speaker 3: Coccentach was still alive. Dennis Cascinach has claimed to fame
Speaker 3: was that Dennis Caercentach was a radicalized progressive before it
Speaker 3: was cool. Dennis Cascinach was doing this before Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 3: Dennis Kasinich has been on this for a tick. Oh,
Speaker 3: he is wrong about everything, but he comes from an older.
Speaker 1: School of thought where you can actually talk.
Speaker 3: And I knew this imediate like I did not know
Speaker 3: I was on with Dennis until like ten minutes before
Speaker 3: I was on because I knew that the topic, but
Speaker 3: I didn't know the person, and I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, the original Kamie og Like that's who he is.
Speaker 3: But it's a different, different, different mentality. Where I'm I'm
Speaker 3: vehemently opposed to the politics, I don't have to be
Speaker 3: vehemently opposed to the human beings. It's like, Okay, this
Speaker 3: is very, very interesting. So we're talking about the Michigan race.
Speaker 3: Of course, we've got that primary Abduel Lsayed against Haley Stevens.
Speaker 3: Haley Stevens is the representative. Abdulah l Sayed is the
Speaker 3: communist who claims to not believe in monopolies but absolutely
Speaker 3: wants force universal healthcare right medicare for all, but doesn't
Speaker 3: believe in monopolies, which is so so adorable, so adorable.
Speaker 3: Oh and speaking in mosques where people are violent against
Speaker 3: Jews and call Jews parasites in the whole thing, Yeah,
Speaker 3: not my guy. And I'd asked some people I know
Speaker 3: in the area, you know, Michigan itself, where do they
Speaker 3: think things are going? And if you're basing things on
Speaker 3: your Facebook feed, your Facebook feed isn't going to give
Speaker 3: you a good story and so I was listening, I'm like, Okay.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, But out of that is going to
Speaker 3: tell me do I think the polling is right? Do
Speaker 3: I think the polling that had been lately trending for
Speaker 3: LSIED is accurate. Some of those poles, like five or
Speaker 3: six of them had him up double digits plus thirteen
Speaker 3: and plus sixteen. I don't buy that. Do I believe
Speaker 3: he could win? Yes, I do believe he could win.
Speaker 3: But I was asked, let's start. So this is from
Speaker 3: my appearance, it was Logan Radick asking the question, what
Speaker 3: do I think is coming right here? Well, even if
Speaker 3: it's Haley Stevens, you can argue that for the Democrats,
Speaker 3: for where they're going, who they're supporting, who their leadership is,
Speaker 3: who the leadership listens to, who their social media influences are,
Speaker 3: that it is winning the day. Whether we talk about
Speaker 3: on college campuses or we talk about anywhere else, they're
Speaker 3: still going to be a force and a problematic one
Speaker 3: for America's future.
Speaker 1: Even if Haley Stevens pulls this out.
Speaker 3: We shouldn't think that Haley Stevens has anything in her
Speaker 3: that shows her to be a conservative, but the election
Speaker 3: of Abdul lsayed for the political left, for those who
Speaker 3: support the DSA and their communist desires, this is just
Speaker 3: more fuel, more saying look how right we are, lookout
Speaker 3: around the right track we are, and more for the Democrats,
Speaker 3: people like Hakeem Jeffries to realize that you have lost
Speaker 3: all control and all ability to have control of your
Speaker 3: party if they should take back the House, which is
Speaker 3: still something in great question, never mind what we might
Speaker 3: see in the Senate as we see the Senate primary today. Now,
Speaker 3: my Hakeem Jeffrey's point is taken. Although I should have
Speaker 3: talked about the Senate first before the House. But I
Speaker 3: want to dig in a little bit because that's correct
Speaker 3: that win or lose, these communes ain't going no place.
Speaker 3: Do we all understand that you could put all eyes
Speaker 3: to the Senate primary, and certainly right now it is
Speaker 3: all eyes on the Senate primary, and they can decide
Speaker 3: that this is a referendum on whether or not the
Speaker 3: communists have taken over the Democratic Party or not. But
Speaker 3: we know better, we do. We're observing to people, We're
Speaker 3: not going to buy into that play into that. We
Speaker 3: know better, and what we know is that they have
Speaker 3: already done the takeover and the fact that some election
Speaker 3: may not go their way is not going to deter them,
Speaker 3: not in the slightest.
Speaker 1: They are who they are, and they are at where
Speaker 1: they are at.
Speaker 3: And the people in power have koutout and given in
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 1: And this is it.
Speaker 3: This is what Representative Alexandria A. Cassia Cortes and Iana Presley,
Speaker 3: Mahida Sealib and ilhan Omar and the squad and Bernie
Speaker 3: Sanders and Chris van Holland, this is what they have wanted.
Speaker 4: And it is here, and it's not going to go
Speaker 4: away quietly. Why would anybody think that? The question now
Speaker 4: goes to Dennis Cassinich.
Speaker 5: Now, obviously the idea of lsa Ed winning is scary,
Speaker 5: but Congressmen couldn't.
Speaker 1: Elsayed victory perhaps be.
Speaker 5: Good for Republicans in Michigan in the way that such
Speaker 5: an extreme candidate would turn voters away from the Democrats
Speaker 5: and maybe towards Republicans Mike Rodgers, for example, or kuld
Speaker 5: say Ed's victory backfire.
Speaker 6: Well, remember you've heard it here. First, l Siege is
Speaker 6: going to be the next Senator from the state of Michigan,
Speaker 6: and I'm going to explain why. First of all, he's
Speaker 6: going to win the primary because of the very powerful
Speaker 6: backlash among Democrats of corporations and political action committees like
Speaker 6: APEX attempting to control the Democrat across this as number one. Secondly,
Speaker 6: he'll win in November because the economy is going to
Speaker 6: be in the shambles because of the unwise decisions that
Speaker 6: the Trump administration has made with respect to foreign policy
Speaker 6: that is increasing inflation, driving up the cost of energy,
Speaker 6: and putting America in a very difficult position worldwide with
Speaker 6: respect to our national security. He will be the next senator.
Speaker 6: Just remember that I said that you can play this
Speaker 6: back to day after the election.
Speaker 3: Now, I was shaking my head. I was shaking my head.
Speaker 3: I wanted to jump in on this hard didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't I jump and said, who whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
Speaker 3: First of all, this APAC talk is ridiculous. You sound silly.
Speaker 3: And then I could have gone to a bunch of
Speaker 3: other things, But I did not jump in. The hosts
Speaker 3: came back in and they were asking their questions and
Speaker 3: the cop and but I wanted to make sure that
Speaker 3: at least did respond to some of it. I didn't
Speaker 3: respond to the apax part, but I did respond to
Speaker 3: the economy part, because if you think the economy is
Speaker 3: in shambles, you're wrong. As we discussed yesterday with doctor
Speaker 3: Matt Will, economist at the University of Indianapolis, No no, no,
Speaker 3: no no no. Even the GDP one point five percent
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense. It's way better and stronger than that.
Speaker 3: Thus the question gets it comes to me, and I
Speaker 3: gets asked.
Speaker 2: Like this twenty eighteen, where l said was promising driver's
Speaker 2: licenses to illegal immigrants.
Speaker 1: He made the comments.
Speaker 2: While he was running for governor in that primary against
Speaker 2: Gretchen Whitmer, arguing illegal immigrants are quote stuck without licenses.
Speaker 1: Here's exactly what he said.
Speaker 7: We've also got to make sure that in this state
Speaker 7: we are not discriminating by documentation status. Right now, if
Speaker 7: you're undocumented, you don't get access to a driver's license,
Speaker 7: so you're stuck. You don't get access to a lot
Speaker 7: of the basic things the state offers everybody else. And
Speaker 7: I think that's ridiculous, and so we've got to stop
Speaker 7: discrimination to discriminating that way.
Speaker 2: Election experts say the proposal would effectively legitimize illegal presence
Speaker 2: in the US, as driver's licenses would serve as national
Speaker 2: ID cards, opening doors to bank accounts, employment eligibility, and
Speaker 2: apartment rentals.
Speaker 3: Tony, your thoughts. So two things here. The first, I
Speaker 3: address what Cacinich said earlier.
Speaker 1: Then I talk about.
Speaker 3: This ridiculous concept that the only issue with an illegal
Speaker 3: immigrant is documentation.
Speaker 1: It's that they don't have papers. Well, a couple of things.
Speaker 3: First of all, the idea a congressman that the economy
Speaker 3: is in shambles. I'm not a guy who's a fan
Speaker 3: of tariffs. I'm a guy who can see higher prices
Speaker 3: at a grocery store. But if you take a look
Speaker 3: at the one point five percent GDP, you have to
Speaker 3: figure in the fact that government is doing much less spending.
Speaker 1: If government spending has figured into.
Speaker 3: Growth a domestic product, right, and how our country is doing,
Speaker 3: that's a serious issue that Keynesian methodology is totally flawed
Speaker 3: and shouldn't be considered.
Speaker 1: I don't understand at all why.
Speaker 3: Anybody would think that documentation is the issue when the
Speaker 3: issue is whether or not you entered the country illegally.
Speaker 3: What else Ayida is saying there is that nobody is illegal.
Speaker 3: All you need is a piece of paper and everything's fine.
Speaker 3: There is no conversation about how you entered in America.
Speaker 3: Had this conversation. We put it to the test. We
Speaker 3: went to the ballot box and we voted for President
Speaker 3: Trump to ensure that people were in the country legally,
Speaker 3: that we were removing the people in the country illegally.
Speaker 3: This is the smart, proper, rational course. And what else
Speaker 3: said is arguing here is that we should have open borders,
Speaker 3: should have no borders, and that has been roundly rejected
Speaker 3: by Americans, and I hope that continues even in Michigan.
Speaker 3: I don't think I missed something there. I think I
Speaker 3: hit that well. Now, Dennis Casinich, as I said, was lovely.
Speaker 3: He's wrong, but lovely. And this led into a bit
Speaker 3: of a back and forth as he was asked the
Speaker 3: next question.
Speaker 5: Well, as we know, the battle isn't just over candidates,
Speaker 5: it's also over their leading voices in the media, those
Speaker 5: voices that are actually influencing this new wave of voters.
Speaker 5: One of the most controversial, as we know, Hassan Piker.
Speaker 5: Here's just a little bit of what he's recently said.
Speaker 1: Isn't that how he lost his fuckings, I because he
Speaker 1: got us looking. I hope America deserved nine to eleven. Dude,
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I mean, just listening to him talk, it's absolute insanity.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure how he has such powerful influence over people,
Speaker 5: but that says a lot about this new wave of voters.
Speaker 5: James Carvill, on that note, has threatened to leave the
Speaker 5: Democratic Party if in fact, hasan Piker becomes a force,
Speaker 5: saying quote, We're not going to be in the same party.
Speaker 5: One of us is going to leave. So Congressman, who's
Speaker 5: going to be the one leaving?
Speaker 1: Well, first of.
Speaker 6: All, there are many different voices of people who want
Speaker 6: to identify with both political parties. I don't really know
Speaker 6: mister Piker. I've never met him, but I will say
Speaker 6: that I don't agree that America deserved nine to eleven.
Speaker 6: I'm hopeful that we're looking at an election where we
Speaker 6: can actually focus on issues and not the personalities. The
Speaker 6: issues ought to be America getting out of these foreign wars,
Speaker 6: and right now we're looking at at a military budget,
Speaker 6: a Pentagon budge to one point five trillion dollars, like
Speaker 6: eight percent of domestic spending, discretionary spending going for that.
Speaker 6: We can't sustain that. America has to start taking care
Speaker 6: of things here at home instead of running around the
Speaker 6: world looking for dragons to slay. I hope that that's
Speaker 6: what this election becomes about. Because it's about personalities, it
Speaker 6: just ends up. It just ends up being a mess.
Speaker 1: Now you saw what he just did there, right.
Speaker 3: The question was about Hassan Piker, who is the Democrats
Speaker 3: mouthpiece right now, he's the COMMI mouthpiece. And what the congressman,
Speaker 3: the former congressman, did hear is say I'm not going
Speaker 3: to address that now. Were plenty of voices. Here's the
Speaker 3: real issue. I did not let that go by.
Speaker 1: That's a democratic right now.
Speaker 8: An That's just an interesting deflection because the question was
Speaker 8: about Hassan Piker, who Democrats are rallying around, who they
Speaker 8: are connecting with, who they want to be seen with,
Speaker 8: who they are campaigning with.
Speaker 1: And we can't deflect too. We shouldn't be involved in
Speaker 1: a war.
Speaker 3: Iran, by the way, has been in a war with
Speaker 3: us for forty seven years, and they must be dealt
Speaker 3: with one way or another. But we can't deflect, and you, sir,
Speaker 3: cannot deflect from where Democrats are. They are with this,
Speaker 3: communist with this is Lomist, with us on Piker, and
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of others in a lot of these
Speaker 3: radical ideas, and I can't really be denied or deflected away, Tony.
Speaker 6: I'd love to have a longer discussion with you. We
Speaker 6: literally let me tell you something. The Democratic Party isn't
Speaker 6: full of comedies. They're not full of socialists. They're capitalists,
Speaker 6: except that we've got an inversion here where in America.
Speaker 6: We have socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not true. Although we can talk about subsidies
Speaker 3: all you want. I really appreciate News Max letting me
Speaker 3: go and engage this way eleven minutes on cable news.
Speaker 1: Rare stuff. I'll have it posted on the YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: Check it out for yourself.
Speaker 3: Just look for Tony Katz and at Tony kats dot com.
Speaker 3: This is Tony Katz today.