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Speaker 1: in college, he had played on a softball team sponsored

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Speaker 1: by the Bottle Shop that had kind of blue and

435
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Speaker 1: yellow striped jerseys, and he was at the Dunk Contest

436
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, hey, you're with the Nets now,

437
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: but you're here as a representative technically of the Pacers

438
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: because that's who you played with over the year. And

439
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: he didn't have any Pacer stuff with him, so he

440
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: went ahead and he had a Bottle Shop softball jersey

441
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Speaker 1: and he wore that during the Dunk Contest, and thus

442
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: those shirts have been sold, which are pretty cool. I

443
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Speaker 1: actually have one. I should wear it tomorrow. But he

444
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Speaker 1: would be the first in terms of if you want

445
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Speaker 1: to go that way pacers in the dunk contest, then

446
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: others doing it. Arren Stansbury got completely robbed with his

447
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 1: statue of Liberty Dunk. I remember Paul George being in it.

448
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: I think Jonathan Bender was in it one year. But

449
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Speaker 1: those that have won it as pacers.

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Speaker 2: Victor Oladipo was also in it as a pacer.

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Speaker 1: Oh the depot was I do remember that.

452
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Speaker 2: So it was Glenn Robinson.

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Speaker 1: Glenn in the third one it yep, so he won

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Speaker 1: it so too to Freddy Jones, That's what I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say. Those are the two. So but Mac McClung

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Speaker 1: was Gerald Green a pacer when he entered. He was

457
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Speaker 1: definitely in it before becoming a pacer. I think he

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Speaker 1: might have also is a pacer right, been in it

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Speaker 1: Gerald Green. Jerald Green is the classic example of a

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Speaker 1: guy that could dunk, could leap, but then the rest

461
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Speaker 1: of the game. Wasn't necessarily a pure basketball player.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Mack McClung, on the other hand, you think of him

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Speaker 1: as the dunker. He has multiple times been an NBA

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Speaker 1: dunk Champion. He played with Orlando for like a cup

466
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Speaker 1: of coffee. He has been on a few ten day contracts,

467
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Speaker 1: but now he has a multi year deal with the Pacers,

468
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Speaker 1: And as Rick Carlisle had said, you might think that

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Speaker 1: they're just getting this guy for highlight purposes in a

470
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Speaker 1: depleted backcourt and to dunk. But guess what, maybe there's

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Speaker 1: more there.

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Speaker 4: Well, he could score or he's a hard playing guy.

473
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Speaker 4: For all the things we did in the workout yesterday,

474
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Speaker 4: he didn't dunk the ball once, So let's get off

475
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Speaker 4: of the dunking thing. Is is kind of the attraction here.

476
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Speaker 4: You know, we need a guy that has energy, can

477
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Speaker 4: go hard, is healthy, I think is healthy is probably

478
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Speaker 4: the number one thing. And that can play a couple

479
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Speaker 4: of positions. So you know, he can play point, he

480
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 4: can play playoff the ball. You know he's had some

481
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Speaker 4: very good ADA games. Although I think this is true,

482
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Speaker 4: I believe this is the first NBA contract he's just signed.

483
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 4: I know he's been in he's been on a two

484
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Speaker 4: way with some clubs and gotten some NBA time as

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Speaker 4: a two way, but I don't believe he's ever gotten

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Speaker 4: any time or or signed a uniformed player contract, veteran

487
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Speaker 4: player contract ever before this. So it's a big opportunity

488
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Speaker 4: of big momentar M.

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Speaker 1: Now you heard him mention the fact of like ten

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Speaker 1: day kN tracks and you know guys kind of hardship

491
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Speaker 1: type contracts. It's interesting because I was talking to and

492
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Speaker 1: by the way I realized, I say the term it's

493
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Speaker 1: interesting way too much. But I was talking with J

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Speaker 1: and V at the Colts game on Sunday, and we

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Speaker 1: were discussing just the Pacers in general and their game. Eddie,

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Speaker 1: When was that that the Pacers played in Minnesota? That

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Speaker 1: would have been Saturday night, Sunday Memphis was Saturday. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's it. And so what I was telling talking with

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Speaker 1: John about me and this might have been yesterday and

500
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Speaker 1: talking about that Minnesota game was I kept going back

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Speaker 1: to the game against Orlando. I believe it was immediately

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Speaker 1: following the brawl and thera. Sometimes it feels like fifty

503
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Speaker 1: years ago and sometimes it feels like two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: When I worked at WRTV Channel six, there is and

505
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Speaker 1: I was everything there from an editor to a producer,

506
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Speaker 1: to a reporter to a fill in anchor. But I

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Speaker 1: mean primarily, especially in the later years, there was basically

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Speaker 1: Dave first and I were the entire sports department. And

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Speaker 1: the video that I remember editing more than any other

510
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Speaker 1: video in terms of getting it ready that aired on

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Speaker 1: a newscast was that of the brawl. It seemingly was

512
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Speaker 1: our lead story or lead sports story for I mean,

513
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Speaker 1: I don't have to tell people here six months between

514
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Speaker 1: the I mean trials and appeals and suspensions and you

515
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Speaker 1: name it, just on and on and on and on

516
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Speaker 1: and on and on. But after the brawl, there was

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Speaker 1: this love affair with you know, Free Run, our Test

518
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: and Steven Jackson and the emotions of it all, you know,

519
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: kind of went all across the map, and then people resented,

520
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: et cetera. But that very first game after the brawl,

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Speaker 1: they went out and you know, Fred Jones had like

522
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Speaker 1: thirty six Kroscher was on the floor. And then they

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Speaker 1: eventually went out and signed like Britton Johnson and Tremaine

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Speaker 1: Folks and Maci O Baston and players just seemingly ten

525
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: day contract level players. And it was to me reminiscent

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Speaker 1: when I was watching the other night with all of

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Speaker 1: these injuries and all the players we've mentioned that are injured,

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Speaker 1: you know, Andrew n Imhart injured, and obviously Tyrese Haliburton injured,

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Speaker 1: and TJ McConnell injured, and you know it's you just

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Speaker 1: go on and on, Benn Nick Mathern injured and all

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Speaker 1: of these injuries that have taken place. And I kept

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Speaker 1: going back to that game immediately following the brawl, and

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Speaker 1: that's why I was fascinated by and it popped and

534
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Speaker 1: I went, yeah, see, I know I'm not crazy when

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Speaker 1: I'm staring at the ceiling during my brain droppings. Because

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Speaker 1: Rick Carlile was talking about the overall injuries to this

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Speaker 1: particular roster and told Kevin Bowen this morning what he

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Speaker 1: thought when Kevin asked if he'd ever been through anything

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Speaker 1: like this.

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Speaker 4: Not like this. I mean, you know, we went through

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Speaker 4: the brawl stuff, and we were very depleted as a

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Speaker 4: team during that and we had to bring in a

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Speaker 4: lot of reinforcements, and you know, there was a lot

544
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Speaker 4: of stuff going on with suspensions at that time, so

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00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 4: we actually had less players available in a few of

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Speaker 4: the games at that time. But this is different. One

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Speaker 4: thing you can you can surmise from this looking at

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Speaker 4: us in Oklahoma City. I think Oklahoma City has seven

549
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Speaker 4: guys out or did leading to last night. They played

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Speaker 4: Dallas last night. We now have eight guys out and

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Speaker 4: both teams played to the very last day of the season.

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Speaker 4: So very possible playing that number of games may may

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Speaker 4: be part of this, you know, it may not. Some

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Speaker 4: of these injuries really something related to a left shoulder,

555
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 4: like with Nemhard, you can't really trace that to, you know,

556
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Speaker 4: playing a lot last year and having a short summer.

557
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Speaker 4: But you know, Ben stepping on a guy's foot in Memphis,

558
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 4: that's you know, that's that's bad luck, certainly more than anything.

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Speaker 4: But it's an interesting coincidence.

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Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of injuries in Dallas, Cooper Flagg

561
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Speaker 1: has a sore shoulder. I think he is expected to play, however,

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Speaker 1: when the Pacers take on the MAVs. But as for

563
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Speaker 1: the center position that we talked about as well, in

564
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Speaker 1: order to make room for Mac McClung, then James Wiseman

565
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Speaker 1: was waived or released, And that means now that you

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Speaker 1: are at Isaiah Jackson, you're at Jay Huff, obviously you

567
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: can play top it at that position. There are things

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Speaker 1: that you know, Tony Bradley's on the roster, who is

569
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Speaker 1: a big rebounding type center Rick Carlisle though on the

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Speaker 1: different faces now in situations present at the center position, well,

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Speaker 1: all of.

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Speaker 4: Them have gotten pretty significant opportunity. They all bring some

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Speaker 4: unique skill set stuff that's going to be very important

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Speaker 4: to our team. And so you know, we need all

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Speaker 4: of them in terms of, you know what, what does

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Speaker 4: this thing look like? You know, who the who's the

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Speaker 4: definite starter, who's the definite backup, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: You know, the other night, we started Huff at four

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Speaker 4: because of our roster situation and just simply simply trying

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Speaker 4: to balance it out so that you know, we could

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Speaker 4: we could sub on a more or less normal basis,

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Speaker 4: and he did some good things, you know, as the

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Speaker 4: start forward. So Memphis and Minnesota both teams that start

584
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Speaker 4: the game. Big Dallas is another big team. So you know,

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Speaker 4: if he doesn't start it for you know, he is

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Speaker 4: a very good chance he'll see some some more minutes

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Speaker 4: of that position. And you know, right now a lot

588
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 4: of guys are getting their feet wet, doing some different

589
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 4: things than probably they've ever done. But we're gonna have

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Speaker 4: to turn those things into positives.

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Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle again this morning, he is kind enough to

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Speaker 1: do that each and every Tuesday, mostly Tuesdays, but certainly

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Speaker 1: once a week on the Fan Morning show, and presumably

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Speaker 1: we'll be doing so throughout the course of this basketball season,

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Speaker 1: all right, when we come back. Sometimes in sports, I

596
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: think it is when people are down that everything comes

597
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: out of the woodwork. Sometimes I think it's unjust. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I think, hmm, I wonder what took so long. I'll

599
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: explain next. When you hear this song, Eddie, you think immediately.

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Speaker 2: Of what Gary Bracket doing the drums before a Pacers game,

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Speaker 2: or on PACER's Amy Colts game in the RCA dom

602
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Speaker 2: as he's stretching out on the field.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there's that famous video the two kids that allegedly

604
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Speaker 1: are hearing it for the first time. Right, I think

605
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: of risky business. But it's I think, in risky business,

606
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 1: the train scene. It's not the drum. It's the beginning

607
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: of the song, not the drum portion. College football news,

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Speaker 1: we haven't really gotten into this, but I do think

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Speaker 1: that it could have potentially some local impact. Brian Kelly.

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Speaker 1: Brian Kelly's a very good football coach, and I think

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Speaker 1: in Notre Dame people knew he was a very good

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00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: football coach. But the problem is that Notre Dame, at LSU,

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00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: at Penn State, at Alabama, You've got to be an

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Speaker 1: elite football coach. And I think Brian Kelly is very good.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know Brian Kelly. I've not been around

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Speaker 1: Brian Kelly. I don't know that I've ever even interviewed

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Speaker 1: Brian Kelly. But there were already hints of Brian Kelly

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Speaker 1: being just a complete what's the word I could use here?

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Speaker 2: You know what?

620
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: Jerk? Right?

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Speaker 2: You know the thing?

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00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Pat Knight? You could quote Pat Knight? Could you?

624
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Speaker 1: No? No, because Pat Knight can say blame my language

625
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: on my dad. I can't write.

626
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: But if you have two of these, they breed.

627
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: That's right. You can have one, but if you have two,

628
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: they breed. Look it goes without saying, not a b hole.

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Speaker 1: I guess it technically be all right, really arrogant. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's the best way to say Brian Kelly, at least

631
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: by reputation, very very arrogant guy and difficult and demanding.

632
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: And there's an element of Yes, there's an element of

633
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: demanding that needs to be there in order to be,

634
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, a great coach. I mean that goes without saying,

635
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: but you know, and we can go back to and

636
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: and rest his soul, and you know, God bless his family,

637
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: Declan Sullivan. It can't be an easy time for his

638
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: family right now, because he is the student manager that

639
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: was up in a scissor lift videotaping a Notre Dame

640
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: football practice when in the forecast, you know, everybody knew

641
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: the weather was going to be adverse, and he himself

642
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: had even sent a post on social media before the

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Speaker 1: practice began saying, oh gosh, high winds forecasted today. I

644
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: guess I've lived long enough. I'm paraphrasing, but that's pretty

645
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: close to accurate to what he said. And then when

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Speaker 1: he was up there, he sent another post about how

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Speaker 1: terrifying it was being that high up in a lift

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Speaker 1: during the wind. Now, whether or not Brian Kelly demanded

649
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Speaker 1: he be up there and said like, no, he's not

650
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: to come down. You know, we can go round and

651
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: round over the validity of that. But obviously, Declan Sullivan,

652
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: the scissor lift blew over and he was fatally injured

653
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: in a terrible tragedy. But beyond that, and not to

654
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: say that that's not case enough. If Brian Kelly was

655
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 1: in the wrong there, you know. I mean, that's obviously

656
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: terribly egregious, but his overall demeanor just now that he's

657
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: been fired at LSU, it's coming out of the woodwork

658
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: now of people tell stories of Hey, I met this

659
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: guy here and he was a complete jerk. And certainly,

660
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean we've seen even like three weeks ago, he

661
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: was a complete condescending jerk to a reporter after a

662
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: game that asked a completely legitimate question about his offensive

663
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: inefficiency for his football team, and he just was always

664
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: like this red faced, smartest guy in the room. And

665
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: I get to an extent as a coach and as

666
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: a leader, sometimes you got to get in guys grill.

667
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: I get it. And we live in like a softer

668
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: society and I get all of that. I'm not here

669
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: to argue any of that. But there's also a way

670
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: in which you can go about doing it where you

671
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: don't come off like you are again just completely like

672
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: condescending and et cetera, and pompus pompus, Yes, egotistical all

673
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: of it. And the latest, you know, there's another story

674
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: that's from somebody that two of the assistants, both of

675
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: which went on to big time coaching careers that were

676
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: assistants of his from Michigan that when they were younger assistants,

677
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: he Brian Kelly had a party at his multi million

678
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: dollar home in Michigan during the wintertime, and his two

679
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: assistants both thought that they were being invited in order

680
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: to go and be, you know, just guests of the party.

681
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: And they got there and he was like, hey, you

682
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: know what, like you're going to park cars and shovel

683
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: the driveway. And as story goes, they went back and said,

684
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: you know what, We're never treating people that way. And

685
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: now at LSU that he's been fired, I've seen multiple

686
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: stories of people like, hey, he did this when I

687
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: was a camp or he was this way that way.

688
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: I saw a player say something about, you know, he

689
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: got injured and he was you know, he's a key contributed.

690
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: I forget the guy's name, but he gets injured and

691
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: has to medically retire, and Brian Kelly went from talking

692
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: to him all the time to not talking to him

693
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 2: at all once he got injured, and he won't touch

694
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: base with him ever since.

695
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur was the one of the assistants by the

696
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: way that was involved in the party, and yes, I

697
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: just seems like a guy that has time for you

698
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: when it can help him, and has no time for

699
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: you if you can't help him. Right, and now he's

700
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: on the outside looking in. And you wonder this. You

701
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: wonder if if Brian Kelly his pedigree is that of

702
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: an upper echelon coach, if Brian Kelly was a super

703
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: nice guy, if Brian Kelly had the personality of Marcus Freeman,

704
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: seems like a really good dude.

705
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 4: Right.

706
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Speaker 1: I don't know Marcus Freeman, but his persona is that

707
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: he's very likable. I think Kurt Signetti is actually a

708
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: task master, and I think Kurt Signetti is probably in

709
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: his moments, pretty difficult to deal with. But his persona

710
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: is that of happy, go lucky, fun to be around.

711
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: You know, has a sense of humor. The only time

712
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: I ever saw Brian Kelly have a sense of humor

713
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: was when he tried to use the old John McKay

714
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: line and he was asked, what do you think of

715
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: your team's execution? And he's like, I think it's a

716
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: good idea. But he was so unconvincing in delivering the

717
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: humor that it went off the wrong way to Alex plannagan.

718
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: But people are coming out of the Woodbrook now and

719
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: I think a big part of that is just the

720
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: way in which he went about his business. Sometimes the

721
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: way that you be the one thing sports can teach

722
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: us lessons in life. And I've always felt like when

723
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: the going gets tough, and it does at some point

724
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: for all of us, for all of us, no matter

725
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: what line of work you're in, no matter what you do,

726
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: there are times in life when you get tested a

727
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, and all of a sudden, and

728
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: sometimes it happens they come in threes, right, like the

729
00:44:53,440 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: challenges and the way that you treat people usually you know,

730
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: it's like karma. The way that you treat people, though,

731
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: can come back to really help you, or it's going

732
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: to come back to bite you if by nature you

733
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: just treat people the wrong way. And it feels like

734
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 1: he has. But Pat asked an interesting question the other day,

735
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: My buddy Pat to me of how often do we

736
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: see it where you have two coaches that were previous,

737
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: that were preseason ranked in the top ten, that are

738
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: both mid season fires. And you have it now with

739
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly at LSU and then obviously with James Franklin

740
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: at Penn State. And the reason I bring it up

741
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: is because it does make you wonder with the coaching carousel, Now,

742
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: what does that mean in terms of locally? You know

743
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: Signetti already and I mean I think he's locked in now, right,

744
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: we know that. But Marcus Freeman, Marcus Freeman allegedly now

745
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: has turned down LSU and reportedly has turned down Florida,

746
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: and the reason being because Notre Dame's a better job

747
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: than both of those. Just is Notre Dame might be

748
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: the number one job in the country. But when you

749
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: look at Indiana and what Signetti was able to do

750
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: in Indiana for any coach anymore, when you look at

751
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: an LSU, and I think LSU may have aired here

752
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: as well. Now in Brian Kelly's case, I think they

753
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: just want to get rid of the guy. He lost

754
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: three games. I think he gave them reason to move

755
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: on from it, and partially because he was just pompous

756
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: to everybody. And in Penn State's case, I think Penn

757
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: State is Penn State football has become what Indiana basketball

758
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: was for a while there, where they just assumed that

759
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: people would line up to coach there, and it's like, yeah,

760
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: don't be so sure about it. But for those jobs

761
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: are there are those jobs? Did Indiana break the code?

762
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: Not just Indiana? You look at you know, Vanderbilt correct

763
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 2: their football success, Georgia Tech another one. So in today's

764
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: age at college athletics, any power for school, Yeah, to

765
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: be competitive if you get the right coach, Yes, as

766
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 2: the right system and.

767
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: Enough in I own money and if you are build

768
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: the team, if you're a coach, you're looking at it.

769
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: You're going wait a minute, If I can go win

770
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: in Bloomington, if I can go win at Vanderbilt, then

771
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: why do I want the headache in the hassle of

772
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 1: one hundred and five thousand seat stadium with one hundred

773
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: and four thousand general managers there that all are convinced

774
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: that can do the job better than I, that are

775
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: going to call for my head and all of the

776
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: pressures that come with it. It seems like in college

777
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: football the Kurt Signetti Indiana experience is a boulder in

778
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: the stream to the way a ton of things have happened.

779
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: And in speaking of Indiana football and it being the

780
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: epicenter of the college football world, there was one person

781
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: this weekend that is on absolute top zenith, number one

782
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: arguably on the planet within their sport, that took in

783
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: college football really for the first time and did so

784
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: by watching Indiana and said this is captivating and I'm

785
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: all in. And I said, then you got to come

786
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: on the show and talk about it. And they're going

787
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: to join us at an hour. By the way, if

788
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: you are into the recruiting sort of thing, I admittedly

789
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: have always been a bit of a skeptic when it

790
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: comes to that, a bit of a cynic when it

791
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: comes to recruiting, but I know people truly enjoy it.

792
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: Micah Fleming, who is a corner out of Alabama, a

793
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: three star recruit, just recently posting how much fun he

794
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: had this weekend at Indiana, but also now I believe

795
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: two four to seven Sports is the one to be

796
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: presenting this. But LeVar Keys, who is a three star

797
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: for whatever that's worth, but a top one hundred recruit

798
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: out of Damatha in Maryland, Domatha Catholic, one of the

799
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: huge schools in the country athletically. He was a Penn

800
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: State commit at wide receiver. Apparently now is going to

801
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: as the kids call it, flip and it looks like

802
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: he would be announcing for Indiana. That's where things stand

803
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: as of right now for the Hoosiers and Kurt Signetti

804
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: as they get set to take on speaking up Maryland

805
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: the Maryland Terrapins coming up. That would be this coming

806
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: Saturday in Maryland. Indiana schedule pretty favorably heading down the

807
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: stretch now between obviously Maryland and then Penn State Wisconsin

808
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 1: and Purdue to finish things off.

809
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 2: Are you concerned at all moving forward about IU and

810
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 2: the fact of, you know, being able to compete following

811
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 2: this season when a bunch of those GM you guys

812
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 2: that he brought over, like notably Aidan Fisher for example,

813
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: D'Angel Pond's another name, will no longer be on the team?

814
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: Does that concern you at all? Not as much as.

815
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: This This chair is really noisy, By the way. What

816
00:49:51,680 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: concerns me for Indiana is the following Kurt Signetti. If

817
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: you had to describe Eddie kurtz Signetti, how would you

818
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: describe him?

819
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: I would say he's demanding, but he's also like very

820
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: not his style, But how would you describe his persona?

821
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: His person I mean, I guess that's confident, confident, Yes,

822
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 2: Google me.

823
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah right, cocky, yes.

824
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: Arrogant and at least publicly, that's how he seems that

825
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: entire mo.

826
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: When he was at JMU. Good buddy of mine Doug Wiler,

827
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: native of Doylestown, Pennsylvania. Doug and I met when I

828
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: was an intern in New York City. I was interning

829
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: for MTV and Doug was interning for a company in

830
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: the World Trade Center and we lived together in the

831
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: dorms at NYU during the time that we were in

832
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: New York City. And Doug went to JMU and he's

833
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: a huge James Madison football fan, went to their national

834
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: title games all that. And when Signetti was hired at Indiana,

835
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, so, what can you tell me

836
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: about him? He's like, dude, he is totally confident and

837
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: he is just a great coach because they will be

838
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: the better prepared team in every game that they play.

839
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: And part of that and it wasn't the case at

840
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: JMU because they would have been playing against other teams

841
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: of their you know, in their league in there at

842
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: the same level. But when he came to Indiana a

843
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: year ago, I think that part of what and especially

844
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: bringing all those players from James Madison, that knew his system,

845
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: that knew what he wanted, that knew what he was

846
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: all about. It tells you it It should tell you

847
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: everything you need to know about the guy that he had,

848
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: that many players that were willing to step up in

849
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: terms of the division in which they were playing in

850
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: a league that is as good as any in college football,

851
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: and they were willing to make that move and move

852
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: away from JMU to come to Indiana to go with

853
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: their coach. So clearly he is a guy that players

854
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: buy into. But part of what he gets on that

855
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 1: buy end is this. If you look at Indiana's roster,

856
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 1: whether you're talking about Sarah, whether you're talking about Omar Cooper,

857
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: whether you talk about Aden Fisher that you just mentioned

858
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: for that matter, even for an out of Mendoza, Mendoza

859
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: was not a blue chip recruit. I mean he blue chip, yes,

860
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: but he was not a can't miss. This guy is

861
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: unquestionably a top ten quarterback recruit level player.

862
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: Like you know dj Ui Youngla at a high Trevor

863
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: Lawrence justin Field, all Cjes.

864
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: There are guys that when they come out, every you

865
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: know about them the time that they walk onto campus

866
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: and Indiana's roster is made up primarily. And again I've

867
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: not been a big I'm not big into the whole

868
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: recruiting five star level thing because more often than not,

869
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: I see guys that like it never lives up to it,

870
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: and then other guys that I go back to this

871
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: point all the time. The nineteen ninety recruiting class for

872
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: Indiana actually eighty nine recruiting class for Indiana basketball. And

873
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: I use that example because it's my wheelhouse number one.

874
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: But it was a huge class and you had, I mean,

875
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: I can still tell you who Lawrence Thunderbrook, Pat Graham,

876
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: Greg Graham, Chris Reynolds, Chris Lawson, Calbert Cheney, and Todd Leary.

877
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: Seven players one class. The highest recruit out of all

878
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: of them was Lawrence Thunderbrook, who was a very good player,

879
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: but he was there for six games. The second highest

880
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: recruit out of all of them was probably Pat Graham,

881
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: he was a McDonald's All American. And then the lowest

882
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: recruit out of all of them was Calbert Cheney, who's

883
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: the all time leading score in Big Ten by point

884
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: being recruiting as a crapshoot. However, Indiana's roster from a

885
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: football standpoint is made up right now largely of guys

886
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: that buy into Kurt Signetti, because, like Kurt Signetti, they

887
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: are players that have something to prove. They are players

888
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: that were a little bit overlooked or people thought they

889
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: should be playing one rung of the ladder below where

890
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: they are and they've completely bought in to what it

891
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: is that Kurt Signetti is selling because and that has

892
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: worked for them, and they are relishing on defying the odds.

893
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: They are buying into and getting pumped up for proving

894
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: people wrong and just maintaining and staying. And now what

895
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: you're seeing, which I don't know that Kurt Signetti ever

896
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: had before, even at James Madison, what you were seeing

897
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: is the recruiting profile escalating for Indiana. And as a

898
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,479
Speaker 1: result of that, what is going to happen if and when?

899
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: And listen, one thing about Kurt Signetti that I'll give

900
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: him all the credit in the world, and I think

901
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: that this will maintain. I think it will maintain. But Signetti,

902
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: as I mentioned before on this show, by all account

903
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 1: and people have talked to, is somebody that if you're

904
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: going to play football at Indiana. He has watched hours

905
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: and hours of tape on you. And this is not

906
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: guys that you know. I think Bob Knight in his

907
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: later years in Indiana got in trouble a little bit

908
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: because he started trusting the recruiting to the wrong people,

909
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: or he started just almost assuming that, like Indiana was

910
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: going to sell itself, and he changed and went away

911
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: from the style of player that had worked for so

912
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: long at Indiana. And if Signetti is going to go out,

913
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: one thing that I will say is if in fact

914
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: he is somebody that watches hours upon hours of tape

915
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: on guys before even deciding if they are a Curt

916
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: Signetti style player. We've seen guys before from a coaching standpoint,

917
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: that have their convictions about the way that they want

918
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: to play, and then all of a sudden, the mystique

919
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: of the bigger fish starts drawing them away a little

920
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: bit and they start buying into it. You know. People

921
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: start saying like, no, no, no, you got it. You don't understand.

922
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: You've got to get this guy. Well, I haven't seen

923
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: a lot of tape on him. No, no, no, But you

924
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: don't understand. He can do this, he can do that,

925
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: he can do this, he can do that, and you

926
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: get away a little bit from your roots on it.

927
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: And I'm very curious to see, Eddie what happens with Indiana,

928
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: because it's inevidably going to happen when you are arguably

929
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: the best team in college football, when you are going

930
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: to be in the playoff for the second year in

931
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: a row, when you are going to play and I

932
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: think they are. I really do believe Indiana is going

933
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: to play for a national championship. I really truly believe

934
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: that if that happens, then all of a sudden, you

935
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: start getting into a completely different stratosphere a player that

936
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: wants to come to Indiana. And I hope that Signetti

937
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: stays true to his roots and rooting those things out

938
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: and weeding those things out and vetting those that may

939
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: have every gift that God can give to a football player,

940
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 1: but they got a little bit of knucklehead in him,

941
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: or they don't have. More importantly, that chip on their

942
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: shoulder that Signetti relishes in and taps into. I think

943
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: he taps into players that drive and desire that comes

944
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: from proving people wrong. And when you start getting into

945
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: players that are naturally gifted, that have been coddled since

946
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: seventh or eighth grade. They don't have that chip because

947
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: they've never had any reason for it.

948
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: I go back to his day. The reason why I'm

949
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: not concerned at all, Jake about moving forward in Kurt

950
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: Signetti and being able to either attract, you know, high

951
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: school kids to come to Indiana or in the portal

952
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: like he's been doing so far through the first two

953
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 2: seasons with the Hoosiers is the fact that his time

954
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: with Alabama underneath Nick Saban and I feel like that

955
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: has a lot to do with how he approaches things

956
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 2: in the way that he goes about his business. Because

957
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: you learn from one of the best college football coaches

958
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: of all time, and you're aiding him and what he

959
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: wants during the time in the heyday of which Alabama

960
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: football was the Krim de la Crim. So he understands

961
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: how to recruit, how to retain, how to replenish talent,

962
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: and how to keep the program continuing year after year

963
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: after year for sustained success.

964
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, I mean, that's that's fair.

965
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: The Alabama things a very good point because he was

966
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: the recruiting coordinator there.

967
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: Right, that's a very good point. But then you know,

968
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: once once he he was the guy going out and

969
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: shopping for it. But he wasn't necessarily then cooking the meal, right, right.

970
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: He was the one that was going out and doing

971
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: all the research for these guys to figure out who

972
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: who works and who does right. Yeah, and then you like, hey,

973
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 2: coach Savan, can you come close to the other I

974
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 2: think that's got to be really good for us.

975
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: What level recruit were you in baseball?

976
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: Excuse me?

977
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: Were you recruited for baseball?

978
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 3: No?

979
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: What's the what is the area where you like, what

980
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: is the time in your life or skill that you

981
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: possessed where you have felt the most coveted.

982
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 2: Uh, that's a great question.

983
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't know because I can't imagine what it would

984
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: be like. Surreal and bizarre. For sure. College athletics fascinates me,

985
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: and high school athletics fascinate me for this reason. When

986
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: I was in high school, I think a lot of

987
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: guys are like this, and I'll admit it. I mean,

988
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: I totally admit this. You know, I played sports and

989
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: I was around it and my buddy I certainly had

990
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: buddies that were far better players than I, but I

991
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: really wanted to be I was on the periphery of greatness. Yeah, Okay,

992
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: I was on a team that started out twenty and

993
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: oho and was beating everybody by literally thirty points. And

994
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 1: we knew we were really good. And we knew when

995
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: we went to other schools and got off the bus

996
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: that people were like, man, this is like, you know,

997
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: the Beatles showing up.

998
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 2: Now.

999
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: It was Greg Black and Dewey Williams and Camer McDaniel

1000
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: and Wesley Rainer and Matt Klein that were doing that.

1001
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: And I just happened to be on the roster, right.

1002
01:00:54,120 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: But I was within the periphery of great And then

1003
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: as we got older, there were guys that I you know,

1004
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: and I was doing. Adam Alexander and Mack Ingle and

1005
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: myself were the three guys doing play by play broadcasting

1006
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: on the radio station for football and basketball in Faked

1007
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: five hundred broadcasts. Yes, with Jason Venturi that is correct,

1008
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: playing the keyboards right again. Venturi very good football player.

1009
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: His dad was a coach for the Colts. I was

1010
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: within the periphery of greatness, right, but I didn't personally

1011
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: have it or feel it.

1012
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 2: But but you're with greatness right now every day, okay,

1013
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 2: noon to three right.

1014
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: Here, and you know, like my buddy do he was

1015
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: going to five star basketball camp, and like you know,

1016
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: I I had gone to elementary school with Alan Henderson

1017
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: and all those things, but but not me. But even

1018
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 1: then I was fascinated by and really wanted to be

1019
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: a somebody. Admittedly I wanted to be a somebody and

1020
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: like most kids, right, I think most guys when you're younger,

1021
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: that's the case. So for those that are, for those

1022
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: that are, and I mean I was around well before

1023
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: the rivals you know two four seven sports, ESPN dot

1024
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: Com recruiting rankings. I mean, we knew. I went to

1025
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: high school with Derek Mays, who was a wide receiver

1026
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. We knew that he was a great player

1027
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: because he was, you know, looking at Penn State, Alabama

1028
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: and Notre Dame. So you're like, well, he must be

1029
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: pretty good. But it was a different era. You didn't

1030
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: have the lights and the glitz and the glamour. You

1031
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: had Scholastic Sports America doing a thing on Saturday mornings.

1032
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: That was it. But my long winded point here is

1033
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: even I fell a little bit victim to being within

1034
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: the periphery of greatness. So I can't imagine how it

1035
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: would impact you to be that at that age. And

1036
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: one of the things that I think is impossible to

1037
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: gauge is what happens when a person, a young person

1038
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: at that age, has all of that in fact and

1039
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: greatness is already attached to them at sixteen or seventeen,

1040
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: and then they are expected automatically to carry it on

1041
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: at eighteen, nineteen, twenty, twenty one, twenty two. It's a

1042
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: huge burden and responsibility and challenge and it doesn't necessarily

1043
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: translate for every kid. And then, so what happens once

1044
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: you get to Indiana and Kurt Signetti or Notre Dame

1045
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: and Marcus Freeman or you know, any of the different

1046
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: places that guys can go and play. And I think

1047
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: it's one of the most inexact sciences in sports, is

1048
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: that of recruiting, because the element that you can never

1049
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: factor in is how a person matures. In my case,

1050
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, it was weird because I was so badly

1051
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: wanted to be a somebody at that age, and then

1052
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: by the time I was probably and it took a while,

1053
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: but by the time I was twenty five or twenty eight,

1054
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: like being a somebody was the last thing on my mind,

1055
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying I am, but I'm saying like

1056
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: I think a lot of things start coming to you

1057
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: once you quit worrying about it, just success or path

1058
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: in general. But young people, when they are being recruited,

1059
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: it is so invested in them to never quit that pursuit.

1060
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 2: Yep.

1061
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: That then what happens, you know, it goes back to

1062
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: did you ever see the movie Eddie? It's a documentary

1063
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: Hoop Dreams. No, Hoop Dreams is it should be required viewing.

1064
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: It should be required viewing for young people. Hoop Dreams

1065
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: is about Arthur ag and William Gates. I believe it

1066
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: is his last name, and they were two like top

1067
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: one hundred recruits just so happened to be in my

1068
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: senior year of high school. But the documentary came out

1069
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: in the mid nineties. They followed these two players, Arthur

1070
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: ag and William Gates, who were inner city Chicago kids.

1071
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: They followed him from the time they were like freshmen

1072
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: through senior year of high school, literally followed everything about him,

1073
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: the recruiting process that William Gates ends up transferring from

1074
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: an inner city school to Saint Joseph's out in Westchester, Illinois,

1075
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: which is where Isaiah Thomas and Darryl Thomas had gone.

1076
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: Arthur Ag went through the Chicago public school system. They

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Speaker 1: were contemporaries of one another and played against one another.

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01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: And then Gates kind of goes one direction in terms

1079
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: of their schooling career and age. Stays in the Chicago

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01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: public City schools and they were big time recruits. And

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Speaker 1: there's a line in that movie that I have never

1082
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: forgotten where William Gates. It's at the end of the

1083
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: documentary where he says, and he ended up going to Marquette,

1084
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: had knee injuries and was an okay player. Arthur Ag

1085
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: went to Arkansas State. But William Gates says, and this

1086
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: is a young man at eighteen years old that had

1087
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: this sort of epiphany. And he says, and I think

1088
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: it's a great lesson for everybody to think about. But

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01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: he said, every day, teachers, coaches, teammates, their parents, they

1090
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: all say the same thing to me. It became a

1091
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: patented line because he was a top level, top point

1092
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: guard in America as a high schooler. And he said,

1093
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: everybody says to me, don't forget about me when you

1094
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: get to the NBA. And he said, and I always

1095
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: want to say back to them, don't forget about me

1096
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: if I don't. Don't forget about me if you get

1097
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: to the NBA, And he said, and I always want

1098
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: to say to them, don't forget about me if I don't.

1099
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: And I think that that pursuit for so many young people,

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01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: we put such an emphasis on it. You're a five

1101
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: star recruit, You're destined for greatness at this school, that school,

1102
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: this school, that school, and guys get there and then

1103
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: if it doesn't happen to them right away, because they've

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01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: been conditioned and ingrained and raised to believe that it's

1105
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: a phata com plea that they're going to have greatness,

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01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: and then they fall into the periphery of greatness. And

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01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: at that point, then what is going to be the

1108
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: internal response? And it takes a great coach like a

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01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: Kurt Signetti perhaps will see to be able to continue

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Speaker 1: to push those buttons that when guys in fact are

1111
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: not going to be the guy all the way through,

1112
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: that they still find greatness within them to contribute to

1113
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: a great team even if they are not the one

1114
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: getting the limelight. And there are other guys like a

1115
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly that I truly think what happens is players

1116
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: feel like that guy is in fact because the greatness

1117
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: isn't coming out of them in terms of the individualized effort.

1118
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: Then they feel like that coach dispatches them immediately and

1119
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: moves on, and then they just kind of sulk in

1120
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: a corner and it brings everything down. And there's such

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01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: a fine balance there between those two things. I think

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01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: it's one of the fascinating things to see about the

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Speaker 1: recruiting game, the analysis and also the one thing that

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01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: is almost impossible to predict, and that is the mental

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01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: fortitude of how somebody responds when they have to back

1126
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: down into the periphery. And in the case of Indiana's

1127
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 1: recruiting profile, you raise an excellent point there ready, and

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Speaker 1: that is that Kurt Signetti has already been exposed to

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01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: those players in Alabama. He was If he's recruiting for Alabama,

1130
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: he is dropping his line in the water of a

1131
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: totally different fish than that at James Madison. And it's

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01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: interesting that at James Madison he's able to get those

1133
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: fish to swim in the pond with him in Bloomington,

1134
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 1: But can he now get those fish to swim in

1135
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: Bloomington when he's now going and getting them out of

1136
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: the same pond as Alabama. And to your point, one

1137
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: would hope that the answer to that is going to

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Speaker 1: be yes, because of the experience he has their Stevenholder

1139
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: ESPN dot Com Colts trade deadline a week from today,

1140
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: might we see some movement. We'll find out next I

1141
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: completely aired and it's one hundred percent on me. I

1142
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: told you, I told you earlier. It's a sleep deprivation Tuesday.

1143
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: Not to make excuse, simply explanation, but of course, as

1144
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: a diehard eight weeks into it now about to turn

1145
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: week nine fan of the Toronto Blue Jays, I was

1146
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: up until the wee hours of the morning watching the

1147
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: eighteen inning marathon that was Game three of the World Series.

1148
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, the Blue Jays themselves aired last night

1149
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: by getting too aggressive, not once, but twice on the

1150
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: base paths. But that's what happens when teams force you,

1151
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: like the Dodgers with that offense, and Otani in particular,

1152
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: you get aggressive because you are terrified of the fact

1153
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: that that is an offensive explosion in LA's case, that

1154
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: can happen at any time. So you're trying to get

1155
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: that one run that elusive run to close things, and

1156
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: it did in the Blue Jays last night. I ended

1157
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: up watching it for eighteen innings. That was up late,

1158
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: and so my apologies that I aired Steven Holder actually

1159
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 1: is at two fifteen and Scott Agnes joins us now

1160
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,719
Speaker 1: from Fieldhouse Files talking about the Pacers, who a year

1161
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: ago forced teams to play their pace. Indiana would go

1162
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: in and teams I think would end up taking bad shots,

1163
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: enforcing themselves offensively because they knew that the Pacers were

1164
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 1: a team that could explode at any time and they

1165
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 1: could start hitting threes, and that kept teams off kilter. Now,

1166
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes's question becomes for Indiana, it's not even a

1167
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: matter of running the same pace as a year ago,

1168
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: but simply at this point finding bodies because we now

1169
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,839
Speaker 1: know that mac McClung is in. The former dunk champion

1170
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle had said that it is offensively a skill

1171
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: set that is more intriguing to them than dunks. They

1172
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: think that he can score. But James Weisman and the

1173
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 1: release thereof to make room for that was intriguing to me.

1174
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: Were you surprised first off that that's where they made

1175
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: the roster space.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, good afternoon, Jake. I was not entirely surprised, only

1177
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 7: because he had seemed to produce very little during his

1178
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 7: minutes out there. It felt like something was off over

1179
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 7: the weekend when he started in Memphis. I know, it

1180
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 7: was a kind of a fun reunion game. He graduated

1181
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 7: from school there and then went to University of Memphis.

1182
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Speaker 7: But he showed nothing in twenty minutes. It felt like

1183
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 7: that was, hey, here's your last try, let's see what

1184
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 7: you can do. And he didn't show much. So the

1185
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 7: only surprise I guess would be because he's the one

1186
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 7: player on this roster. He was I'm sorry, Tony Bradley

1187
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 7: was the one player on this roster with non guaranteed deal,

1188
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 7: so they had to eat one million dollars of his

1189
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 7: contract two part ways with him. But it made all

1190
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 7: the sense in the world. They need help at guard.

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01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's go back to that needing help at

1192
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 1: guard when you look at it, Okay, Halliburton obviously out

1193
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: for the year, Andrew Nemhard is out, TJ. McConnell is out.

1194
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 1: Innim Hard's case, it's what a shoulder spray. In McConnell's case,

1195
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: I believe that's hamstring, right, correct? You know even that,

1196
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 1: like you know Taylor Peter for example, is is nursing.

1197
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: I think it's a groin injury. Where do you when

1198
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,839
Speaker 1: you look at timetable Scott, I guess a two part question.

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Speaker 1: The first is when do you believe they will have

1200
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: full arsenal back? And the second is do you think,

1201
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 1: knowing all that goes into this year anyway, that they

1202
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: don't get over aggressive in when they bring people back?

1203
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, so first of all, I wouldn't expect most are

1204
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 7: a handful of those back forward until mid November. So

1205
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 7: I think best case scenario Jake would be mid November.

1206
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 7: That all but Halliburton could potentially be available already. The

1207
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 7: only timeline we know for certain is that Cam Jones,

1208
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 7: the rookie, is dealing with the stress reaction in his back.

1209
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 7: He's out until then. And the same thing with TJ.

1210
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 7: McConnell's hamstring strain. They did get Quentin Jackson back over

1211
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 7: the week on which I would color that a little

1212
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 7: bit as a surprise given it was a hamstring strain

1213
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 7: and he didn't miss more time. But look, you got

1214
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 7: eight guys on the injury report. What we top in

1215
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 7: was the newest addition over this past game, and so

1216
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 7: it's gotten to the point they're going to continue to

1217
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 7: I believe Jake play their style that pace, the randomness,

1218
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:29,959
Speaker 7: the chaotics style, but who brings it up is obviously

1219
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,759
Speaker 7: one of the biggest concerns. And you're going to see

1220
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 7: and we have seen Pascals have to take on an

1221
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 7: entire new workload. Now in terms of your second you

1222
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 7: take it slower, be overly cautious. I think you do

1223
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 7: to a certain extent, but only from the level of

1224
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 7: like hamstring strains. You don't want to linger anything like that.

1225
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 7: I don't think you're doing it in the broader context

1226
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 7: of this season, given what it could be on a

1227
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 7: worst case scenario, because this team's sole focus is heading

1228
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 7: back to the playoffs and having that. And remember last

1229
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 7: season they got off to an awful start the first

1230
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 7: six weeks, and so maybe it's just replicating what happened

1231
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 7: last year, and you hope they can find some good

1232
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 7: out of all this.

1233
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Speaker 2: Scott, after Tomorrow's game against Dallas, are the Pacers now

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01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 2: eligible to sign someone to a hardship deal?

1235
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, great question, Eddie.

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01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, the hardship would be available after the third game.

1237
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 7: Because it requires four players to be out at least

1238
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,879
Speaker 7: three games and miss at least the next two weeks,

1239
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 7: and so in all likelihood you already have three for

1240
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 7: certain with Tyreees, with Cam Jones and TJ McConnell, and

1241
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 7: then I mean Andrew Nemhart could be a candidate for that.

1242
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 7: We did see Johnny Furfey play briefly in the second game.

1243
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 7: I think it was so it doesn't seem like he's

1244
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 7: another two weeks away there, But all along, I was

1245
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 7: expecting the Pacers to make a move midweek this week

1246
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 7: to take advantage of that hardship exception and become the

1247
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 7: second team we've seen the Memphis Grizzlies already do it.

1248
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 2: So same for Bendict Matherin. By the way he after

1249
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,759
Speaker 2: Wednesday's game, he would fall into that category, right Scott.

1250
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 2: With Johnny furfy no, because he's been Friday, sorry, Friday's game,

1251
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 2: then after he has missed three games, so it would

1252
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 2: be after Saturday's game, assuming he misses here time. They

1253
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 2: have not put a timetable on it. I have not

1254
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 2: gotten updates from his test. He was scheduled to get

1255
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 2: some tests on Sunday and Monday and determined based off

1256
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 2: those we'll see on the injury report coming up at

1257
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 2: five o'clock.

1258
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: I think tonight, by the way, Scott, were you up

1259
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: late watching the World Series? By any chance?

1260
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 7: I gave up after like the tenth inning something like that.

1261
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 7: I'm not a baseball guy anyway. That was the first

1262
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 7: baseball I had watched all year.

1263
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: Your voice sounds deeper this morning. Are you getting enough sleep?

1264
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 7: That's never the case.

1265
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,759
Speaker 1: Did you hit puberty at like two in the morning

1266
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: your voice sounds Is it just me Eddie or does

1267
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: his voice sound deeper? I think it's just to you

1268
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: a little more, little more bass in the voice. I

1269
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 1: don't mean that in a bad way, Scott. I'm just saying, like,

1270
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: you know how I take it. You know what I mean, like, yeah,

1271
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: it's a very dulcet tone. I'm going to give you

1272
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: two players. I want you to give me your critique

1273
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: on where you think, you know how they're playing so

1274
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: far this year, albeit through just you know, less than

1275
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: a handful of games.

1276
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 7: Jaris Walker, I just I would say, see kind of average,

1277
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 7: slightly below average to this point. I would expect more,

1278
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 7: but yeah, we're just a weekend.

1279
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 1: Do you think they would tell you the same thing.

1280
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: In terms of expect more, I.

1281
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 7: Would say so absolutely, especially from a general sense here, Jake,

1282
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 7: because everybody's got to give them more, just because of

1283
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 7: the all the different injuries we talked about, and so

1284
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 7: even if they were at full health and he was

1285
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 7: out there, I would I would have expected a little

1286
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 7: bit more. I think it was the first game where

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Speaker 7: he played well and kind of showed some some bright spots,

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Speaker 7: but very non memorable performance. As the last couple, I

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Speaker 7: think Ben shephard say about what we expected. Especially here's

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Speaker 7: the other thing. He's not one hundred percent right, and

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Speaker 7: so he's playing through Shepherd.

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Speaker 1: This is kind of the case with everybody, but it

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Speaker 1: seems to me that Ben Shepherd has been asked to

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Speaker 1: play a little more out of natural position. Yeah, totally agree.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he was brought in and drafted for his defense

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Speaker 7: for his three point shooting, and he's has having to

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Speaker 7: communicate out there and lead in addition to kind of

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Speaker 7: running some point and bringing the ball up a lot more. So, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I would say he's he's done above what I would expected,

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Speaker 7: especially due to the injury that cost him all of

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Speaker 7: training camp.

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Speaker 1: Basically, what player would you say Scott Agins is our

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Speaker 1: guest field House Files. He's on the Java House peeling

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Speaker 1: port guest line Java house dot Com. Jake twenty five

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Speaker 1: the code by the way, for twenty five percent off.

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Speaker 1: What player would you say, Scott so far for the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers based on the injury attrition is the one

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Speaker 1: that has had to play the most and maybe even

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Speaker 1: most successfully played above and beyond their normal place they

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Speaker 1: would slot.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to go Pascal Siakam. He is doing so

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01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 7: much that from the long term for this season, Jake,

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Speaker 7: I'm a little bit worried right like he's over exerting

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Speaker 7: himself and having to lead and produce and score and

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Speaker 7: defend and bring the ball up, and I don't I

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Speaker 7: wonder if that is sustainable. So while he is the

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Speaker 7: best player available right now on this team, in the

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Speaker 7: top scorer this past season, to me, he's the guy

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Speaker 7: that is as elevated as his job, even more so,

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Speaker 7: and that's why they've been able to stay in some

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Speaker 7: of these games.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned James Weisman. Scott Agnes our guest. I

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Speaker 1: hate to say this guy because I love him and

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Speaker 1: I know it's so early. I mean, it almost feels

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Speaker 1: silly to go there with this, but because it's so early,

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Speaker 1: I've wanted to see anything out of Isaiah Jackson and

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet. Tell me I'm too critical.

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Speaker 7: No, I would agree with that, again, very early, but

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Speaker 7: still you. I mean, the biggest concern for me Jake

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Speaker 7: and all this has been the foul trouble. Two of

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Speaker 7: the three games, he's had four plus fouls, playing less

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Speaker 7: than fifteen minutes per game. We saw in the preseason

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Speaker 7: how that was obviously an issue in all but one

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Speaker 7: of those games, And so that's where it starts with

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Speaker 7: him for me, because he should be able to give

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Speaker 7: them twenty minutes per game. And I think I would

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Speaker 7: say that whole center position has behole has been wholly

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Speaker 7: underwhelming to me, outside of maybe a brief stint this

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Speaker 7: pass game in Minnesota with Tony Bradley, And that's why

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Speaker 7: I think they ultimately said, hey, look it's kind of

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01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 7: a wash right now what we're getting at the center spot,

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Speaker 7: but we badly need help with that guard spot, so

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Speaker 7: let's make a move. And Wiseman clearly has been the

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Speaker 7: one that has shown them the least, and so it

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Speaker 7: was a worthwhile Like Spearman, I think. But unfortunately he

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01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 7: was here just one year, played just two games and

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01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 7: twenty five minutes, and he made out nicely with the contract.

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Speaker 7: But I think that was a worthwhile gamble for this franchise.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Scott, here's how we're gonna do this. I'm looking

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01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: right now. I got on the Pacers website and there's

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01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: an ad on here for a many game package that

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01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: you can buy. Okay, h the Gold Plan and the

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Speaker 1: Blue Plan. Now, I'm going to read you the two plans.

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Speaker 1: I want you to tell me, Scott Agnes, if I

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Speaker 1: was going to buy them for you, which of the

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Speaker 1: two plans you would take? Which one do you think

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01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 1: is the better option in terms of your viewing pleasure?

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Speaker 1: And then Eddie's gonna get the one you don't pick,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna see whether Eddie is happy or unhappy

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Speaker 1: with that. Okay, Okay. The Blue Plan allows you to

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Speaker 1: go see the Golden State Warriors, the Milwaukee Bucks, the

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Speaker 1: Boston Celtics, the Memphis Grizzlies, the LA Clippers, and the

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia seventy six Ers. Those are the games that you

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Speaker 1: would get with the Blue Plan. The Gold Plan means

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Speaker 1: that you would go see the Pacers play Oklahoma City, Milwaukee,

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Speaker 1: the New York Knicks, the Calves, the Rockets, and the

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Speaker 1: LA Lakers.

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Speaker 7: Before I answer this from your your standpoint, is it

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Speaker 7: even close?

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Speaker 1: I don't believe it is me neither. It's Gold all day, Eddie.

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Speaker 1: Would you be happy with that?

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Speaker 2: I'd be happy with attending any game, James, I don't

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Speaker 2: care who the opponent is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Gold to Eddie, Gold seems the better because you well,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, you're a little late on the Gold

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01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: plan because Oklahoma City has already been here.

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Speaker 7: Right even then, though the other five games are nice,

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01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 7: Milwaukee crosses both, so you're good there. You're facing two

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Speaker 7: of your last opponents in the playoffs. Rockets could be

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Speaker 7: one of the best teams in the league, and Lakers.

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Speaker 7: You're taking a gamble because that's the end of the season.

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Speaker 7: You know it never know with health and what they're

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Speaker 7: looking like. But between Lebron and Luca and the potential

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Speaker 7: even resell value, say you don't even care about those

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01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 7: two that that's a high mark.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the Blue is not bad. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: get staph right, you get Milwaukee again, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: Boston is still Boston. The Grizzlies, I guess John Morant, right,

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Speaker 1: Clippers doesn't do much for me in the six Ers.

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Speaker 7: Might be Zach Edie for Memphis for some of that,

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01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 7: but he's out right now with injury, and same thing

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Speaker 7: with Boston.

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Speaker 1: Don't do much for me, right, I mean, I total

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01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: sixers are going to be good, but they don't. They

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01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:05,719
Speaker 1: don't do much for me either.

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Speaker 2: One.

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Speaker 7: You never know who's going to be available on the

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Speaker 7: given night, and that's the challenge, right If seventy six

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Speaker 7: ers it was Embiid, Paul George, Eric Gordon for certain,

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Speaker 7: Sure that's a little bit intriguing, but those guys missing

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Speaker 7: out a lot. So you're you're certain about like Tyrese

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01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:23,440
Speaker 7: Maxey and then the Clippers what Kyrie and the opportunity

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01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:25,719
Speaker 7: to chant some things at the Clippers. That's probably about

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Speaker 7: me about it, right, Yeah?

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01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean that the Clippers, Yeah, you know, the Clippers

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01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: to me, the Clippers and Sixers both. To me, the

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01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 1: Clippers are the Sixers of the West, right, like they

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01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: have They've had all the talent over the course of

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01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 1: the years, and you just keep you know, you're like,

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01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: what's happened here? Right? Absolutely? That's worth all right, it

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Speaker 1: is Pacers and MAVs tomorrow night in Dallas. Scott Agnes

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01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: will have all of the coverage Fieldhouse files. He has

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Speaker 1: been our guest on the Java House Peel and por guests.

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01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: I met as a compliment about your voice. By the way,

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01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: it's got a little base to it.

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01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 7: This morning I took it that way as well. Maybe

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01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 7: it was the morning coffee or something.

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01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 1: I hope it's from Java House. All right, Scott, appreciate it,

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01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 1: you bet. Thanks guys, got Agnes joining us on the

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01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: guest line. As I mentioned Stephen Holder, I aired on

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01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 1: that that's thirty minutes from now, Colts deadline talk and

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01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 1: they're gonna make a move. Holder's been busy. We'll find out, Eddie.

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01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: How well do you know the song?

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01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 2: Ah? What do you mean?

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01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the words, the et cetera.

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01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 2: I mean probably seventy five percent.

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01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:39,679
Speaker 1: True or false. In Billy Jean, true or false, Michael

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01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 1: Jackson is the father of Billy Jean's child.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:55,719
Speaker 1: Billy Jean is not my love. She's just a girl

1432
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 1: who claims that I'm the one. But the kid is

1433
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: not my son, right right. The most underrated aspect of

1434
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: that underrated is the wrong word, overlooked aspect of that

1435
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:14,480
Speaker 1: song that people don't pay attention to is At the end,

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01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 1: he essentially confesses because he says, Billy Jean showed a

1437
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: photo to my baby, presumably meeting his girlfriend, and my

1438
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 1: baby cried because his eyes were like mine because we

1439
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: danced on the floor in the round. Thus, he at

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01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 1: the end subtly confesses that, yes, in fact, Billy Jean

1441
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 1: was the affair that he had. Anyway, that's more info

1442
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 1: than anybody needed to know. There is rumor that now

1443
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: with Brian Kelly being fired at LSU, not to sit

1444
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 1: here and talk about Brian Kelly and LSU all day,

1445
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 1: but does have implication, as I mentioned earlier, potentially within

1446
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 1: the Big ten. Did you see who? The latest in

1447
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:58,839
Speaker 1: the coaching carousel rumor is to potentially land in Baton Rouge.

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01:24:59,040 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 2: I have not seen this.

1449
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: That would be none other than uh And I'm hoping

1450
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: I say his last name correctly here because I have

1451
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 1: a mental block with this one from time to time.

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01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 2: Dan Lemming at Oregon, Right, Dan Lanning Lanning, thank you? See,

1453
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 2: Like I told you, I'm a mental block with it.

1454
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 2: I don't know who I'm thinking of with Lemming. I

1455
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 2: always think Ellie, M M I and GM. But who

1456
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 2: was it? Who did he replace it Oregon? Was it

1457
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly? It wasn't chip Kelly?

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01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 6: Was it?

1459
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: It might be? That might be right? Yeah, I mean

1460
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Speaker 1: Oregon's obviously had in the last fifteen years kind of

1461
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, they've they've been able to just kind of

1462
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 1: plug and play with coaches. But that would leave a

1463
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 1: vacancy at Oregon. Oregon, to me is an interesting one

1464
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 1: because they are in the upper echelon of the Big ten.

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Speaker 1: I think that we could easily say that, ooh wrong,

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Speaker 1: hold on, let me I know this right.

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Speaker 2: So it was Chip Kelly, then it was Mark Helfrick.

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01:25:55,439 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 2: Really Taggart this coach interim for one season or for

1469
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 2: one game? I should say the interim was Brian mcclindon,

1470
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Speaker 2: because this Tart go.

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Speaker 1: Did Taggart go to Florida State? Am I wrong in.

1472
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Speaker 2: That Taggart was at Oregon for one year because he

1473
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 2: went to Florida State?

1474
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's right? And who was before him?

1475
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 2: Mark Helfrick?

1476
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: And where did he go?

1477
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 2: Let me pull up his coaching card here, and then

1478
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 2: I can answer that question by the way. He was

1479
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks coach at Ball State from ninety eight to

1480
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 2: two thousand. He went from let see, I can't even

1481
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 2: find it, Oregon to Chicago Bears is their offensive coordinator

1482
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 2: from twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen.

1483
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 1: The but Oregon. When you think about the Big Ten

1484
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 1: and the power shift of the Big Ten, you obviously

1485
01:26:56,280 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 1: have Ohio State and they ain't going anywhere. I think

1486
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: we could safely say that Michigan, you know, even though

1487
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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with just Michigan in general.

1488
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 2: But why you didn't guess the coach that he replaced.

1489
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 2: What's that you didn't guess the coach that he replaced,

1490
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 2: Dan Lanning.

1491
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 1: But you said it was just a one game interim, right.

1492
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 2: Because this coach left Oregon for another school.

1493
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:22,839
Speaker 1: So this is not the interim.

1494
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 8: This is.

1495
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 2: The interim coach coached the bowl game because the head

1496
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 2: coach left, right. Okay, so for another college school, you're

1497
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 2: asking me for the head coach and this coach is

1498
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Speaker 2: I know this. I believe they're in the top ten

1499
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 2: right now. I'm almost confident that they are in the

1500
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 2: top ten right now.

1501
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: I know this because it was a big deal when

1502
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 1: he left. Right, people were screaming at the radio right now,

1503
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 1: They're like, dude, how do you not know this?

1504
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 2: And this season was arguably a year in which he

1505
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 2: needed to get this school on track or he was

1506
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 2: probably among the list of coaches that was going to

1507
01:27:58,240 --> 01:27:58,759
Speaker 2: be fired.

1508
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: Okay, it's not Kyle de Bord because he was at.

1509
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 2: Washington, right, correct, not Kaitlin.

1510
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see again. Can you tell it's a sleep

1511
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 1: deprivation Tuesday? Oh yeah, it's not Lane Kiffin right at

1512
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,719
Speaker 1: Old Miss because he had been at Tennessee and amongst

1513
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: other places.

1514
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 4: Right.

1515
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 2: Oh wait, but who's at A and M. And it's

1516
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 2: not Elko? It is not Mike Elko.

1517
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:33,839
Speaker 1: Okay, chryst of All is Miami?

1518
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 4: Right?

1519
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: Ingo? Is that who it is? Yes? I don't remember

1520
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 1: him being in Oregon.

1521
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mario Christobal was there from twenty seventeen to twenty

1522
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 2: twenty one.

1523
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: I do not remember that.

1524
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 2: Brian mcclindon was the interim coach for one game for Oregon.

1525
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: So, but Oregon, Ohio State, and Michigan are always going

1526
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: to be the in terms of traditional Big ten power.

1527
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 1: There you go, right, Indiana has arrived in that discussion

1528
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:00,959
Speaker 1: and is right there in the party. The question then becomes,

1529
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 1: does if Oregon and I don't know that this is

1530
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: going to be the case, but if Oregon again has

1531
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:10,719
Speaker 1: to go back into the coaching you know, search Oregon.

1532
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 1: Because of the Nike money and the cachet of Oregon,

1533
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,639
Speaker 1: one would assume is going to be there for a while.

1534
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: But you know, can they go through it again?

1535
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 2: Lanning's buyout is around twenty million dollars though, Yeah, but

1536
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 2: you already paid what was it.

1537
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 1: Fifty two million to Brian Kelly, right exactly. I mean,

1538
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,879
Speaker 1: you know, just when you when you're talking, so seventy

1539
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: two million. I'm telling you. These the boosters and the

1540
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: alum and the fan base of an LSU one of

1541
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 1: the advantages that LSU has. Yes, I know that, and

1542
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 1: the Saints are a huge deal, and they're a regional deal.

1543
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 1: But for a to a big extent, LSU is the

1544
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,679
Speaker 1: bigger job in lous Siana than even New York. Like that,

1545
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 1: that's the bigger program, you know what I mean? Like

1546
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 1: that is for most of the state, that is their

1547
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: pro team, and you get boosters and money coming all

1548
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 1: over the place. I had mentioned that Indiana had somebody

1549
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: that is at the very top of his game, that

1550
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 1: was there watching the Hoosiers over the weekend. He has

1551
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 1: set to join us just a couple of minutes and

1552
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 1: Steven Holder about eighteen minutes from now two o'clock hour

1553
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. For that matter, it's the two o'clock hour

1554
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 1: everywhere in the Eastern time zone. My name is Jake

1555
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison. The other voice you hear on this program,

1556
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: we call it Query and Company here on ninety three

1557
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: five and one oh seven five the fan. We've been

1558
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: talking a lot about, of course, with this being football season,

1559
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 1: the Colts, the best team in the NFL, Indiana is

1560
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 1: now primed and hoping to put themselves in position to

1561
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 1: land a top two spot within the college Football playoff.

1562
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 1: And when you want to win and you want to

1563
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 1: have greatness, why not have on your sideline somebody that

1564
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 1: knows a little about both. He is the four time

1565
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 1: champion of the IndyCar Series, the reigning Indy five hundred champion,

1566
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:09,560
Speaker 1: and he was wearing his Indiana Hoosiers jersey on the sidelines.

1567
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,639
Speaker 1: Alex Polo is now an official Hoosier and he joins

1568
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 1: us on the Java House. Peel and Poor guest line, Alex,

1569
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 1: how are you?

1570
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 8: I'm great. I am the biggest Hoosier.

1571
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: Now listen, I want to get to this. There's a

1572
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 1: couple of things I want to talk to you about

1573
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: with this because I love you know I'm here for it.

1574
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: As the kids say, the first is and be honest.

1575
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 1: You know you grew up just outside of Barcelona, Spain.

1576
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,719
Speaker 1: I would imagine that American football would not be amongst

1577
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 1: the top sports of interest from a spectating standpoint during

1578
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 1: your childhood. When did you become a football fan? Or

1579
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: is this still a work in progress?

1580
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 3: You're right, I mean, honestly, I didn't even know it

1581
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 3: existed when I was a kid. That's when I was

1582
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 3: like a young kid in school. I only knew about

1583
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 3: basketball soccer.

1584
01:31:58,080 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 8: Soccer is the.

1585
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 3: Main ninety nine percent of people in Spain play soccer.

1586
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 3: I found out obviously when I was growing up and

1587
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 3: I had access to internet and MTV, But I did

1588
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 3: not understand the game, and I did not understand the

1589
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:16,600
Speaker 3: game for the first two three years that I was

1590
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 3: here in the US, but then started getting to the

1591
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 3: games at the cold started getting into it. Colds started

1592
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 3: to get really really good and started to get fun

1593
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:32,680
Speaker 3: and I started getting interested. So I would say the

1594
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 3: last three years I've been following and learning, especially this year.

1595
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 8: This year it's been it's been amazing.

1596
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 1: Okay, so you have been to and I know you

1597
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: were at a colts game because they did one time the

1598
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 1: like celebrity lookalike thing and then they actually show you

1599
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:51,600
Speaker 1: in the crowd and everybody cheers, right, And then this

1600
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 1: weekend you were at Indiana and you were there on

1601
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 1: the sidelines for Indiana's really you know, blowout when a UCLA.

1602
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:03,160
Speaker 1: Do you have or have you noticed at all a

1603
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 1: difference between the pro game and the college game, which

1604
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 1: one you found yourself more liking.

1605
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I had no idea that college football was

1606
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:17,599
Speaker 3: so big, So I'm not used to it. In Spain, college, well,

1607
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 3: college and sports, they don't go together like here in

1608
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 3: the US, which I think it's amazing that you have

1609
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 3: that opportunity to do both at the same time.

1610
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 8: I do both at the highest level.

1611
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 3: But so I went to the game with expectations, basically

1612
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 3: because my neighbor got me into watching I You on

1613
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:44,599
Speaker 3: Saturdays the past three weeks and he's a big, big fan,

1614
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:49,560
Speaker 3: so I already knew a little bit but honestly, the experience,

1615
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 3: the event, the atmosphere was ten times better than I

1616
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 3: thought that it was going to be. I had so

1617
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 3: much fun. The game was super fast. I just felt

1618
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 3: like it was. There was a lot more plays that

1619
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 3: I did not expect or you would see. Yeah, just

1620
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 3: a lot more action than at some calose games.

1621
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 8: So I really liked it. I had the best time.

1622
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 3: I think I was at the game that was probably

1623
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 3: one of the best, with the margins that we won,

1624
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 3: with how good the team was playing, and all the fans,

1625
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 3: how excited they were. But yeah, I just had the

1626
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 3: best Saturday, honestly.

1627
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 1: So here's what's funny. I was I was talking to

1628
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 1: Buddy Mine that that was kind of your I don't

1629
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 1: know if I would say your host, but a guy

1630
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 1: that I grew up around, Jeremy Gray is his name,

1631
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 1: and he works for IU, and his wife had lived

1632
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 1: in Barcelona, and I think was maybe talking to your

1633
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 1: wife a little bit, and Jeremy told me that at

1634
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 1: one point during the game that you said like, and

1635
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing here, but basically you said, you know, I

1636
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 1: feel kind of bad for these UCLA guys. And Jeremy said, yeah,

1637
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 1: but I mean, do you feel bad when you've led

1638
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 1: the Let you know, if you're leading the field by

1639
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: two laps and Jeremy said that, you said, well, yeah,

1640
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:01,640
Speaker 1: but I mean, tho, I'm not hurting those guys, like

1641
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:06,680
Speaker 1: hurting these guys, right, it's a collision sport, right. I

1642
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 1: mean you had to have like so up close and

1643
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: up personal. Is that a true recount of what your

1644
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:15,719
Speaker 1: emotion was watching that? Yeah?

1645
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 3: It was, it was, and it was it was very fun.

1646
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 3: And I mean when when they were playing so good,

1647
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 3: they just felt like we were able to move the

1648
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 3: ball wherever we wanted. We were able to get touchdowns

1649
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 3: almost every time, and UCLA wasn't able to So I just, yeah,

1650
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 3: I was laughing a little bit and being a bit funny.

1651
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 3: But I mean, these guys, these guys are crazy.

1652
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 8: All of them.

1653
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 3: Like they have a lot of contact, Like they get

1654
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty pounds of people on top of

1655
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 3: them and they stand out, stand up again in like

1656
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 3: two seconds and they are ready to go again.

1657
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 8: And I just feel like it's so hard to do that.

1658
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 3: Like I would not be able to do that if

1659
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 3: I get somebody hitting me or trying to get me

1660
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 3: to the ground that fast.

1661
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, Alex, I don't know if anybody's told you

1662
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 1: this or not, but you drive two hundred and thirty

1663
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 1: eight miles an hour eight inches from a concrete wall,

1664
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 1: you know.

1665
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 3: Okay, but that's not the same. I don't have somebody

1666
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,559
Speaker 3: trying to kill me because I'm carrying a football.

1667
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 8: I got that.

1668
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I find it fascinating. I think I

1669
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 3: am very lucky to do what I do. I don't

1670
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,640
Speaker 3: have I have people trying to chase me, or I'm

1671
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 3: trying to chase people, but when I get there, I

1672
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 3: pass them and on a polite way. And it's not

1673
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 3: like football. But honestly, it's amazing. It's amazing to see

1674
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 3: the game and once you understand it, once you're able

1675
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 3: to cheer for teams.

1676
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 8: Like the IU or the Calls.

1677
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 3: That are doing so amazing this year, it just makes

1678
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 3: it so fun to be part of.

1679
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 1: Alex blows my guest on the Java House pil and

1680
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 1: poor guest line of course Polo driving car number ten

1681
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 1: for Chip Ganassi Racing and the Raining Indy five hundred

1682
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 1: winner and Indie Car Champion. Alex, you know when you

1683
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 1: won the five hundred, you came to the Pacer game.

1684
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:07,760
Speaker 1: It was pretty awesome. You know, you still had the

1685
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 1: wreath on, some of the flowers were off of it.

1686
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 1: We talked, you know after shortly after that. But I'm

1687
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:16,640
Speaker 1: curious of this. You know, you grew up in one

1688
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 1: of the most beautiful regions of the world, you know,

1689
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 1: outside of Barcelona, and I've been there and it's absolutely gorgeous.

1690
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 1: The people are fascinating and awesome and fun. And yet

1691
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 1: you come to Indianapolis and you have really, seemingly in

1692
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 1: the last year, maybe even last six months, really dove

1693
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 1: into the culture here, going to the games, being a

1694
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 1: part of it, soaking in the Pacer Games, and really

1695
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:42,680
Speaker 1: doing anything that's asked in terms of going out and

1696
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:45,720
Speaker 1: just trying to grow the sport and grow you know,

1697
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 1: your name in general. Why is that? Why do you

1698
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:51,640
Speaker 1: feel the obligation to do all of those things and

1699
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 1: soak it all in.

1700
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would say it's been before that, like it's

1701
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:00,760
Speaker 9: and it's not an obligation wish for it, Like I

1702
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 9: pushed to try and get to the Pacer Games or

1703
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 9: to the calls or.

1704
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:05,719
Speaker 1: To the IU.

1705
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 3: Honestly, it was Yeah, they just told me if I wanted,

1706
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:12,440
Speaker 3: and I was like absolutely, but it's not an obligation

1707
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 3: for me. It's it's a privilege that I get to

1708
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 3: do these things, like I've been going I would say

1709
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:22,519
Speaker 3: at least twice a year for the past years, but

1710
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 3: this year already been to like three calls games too,

1711
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 3: like one, I you not to the pacers yet for.

1712
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 8: This season, but I am I. I love it.

1713
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:35,439
Speaker 3: I feel that the city has welcomed me and they

1714
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 3: give me the opportunity to be part.

1715
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 8: Of And I love Barcelona. I love Spain.

1716
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 3: I know that's that's my that's always going to be

1717
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 3: there for me, and I grew up there and I

1718
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:46,760
Speaker 3: have a lot of love for it.

1719
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,879
Speaker 8: But this is my home now, like that's this.

1720
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:54,759
Speaker 3: Is where I'm I'm having my I got my first

1721
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 3: house here, I am spending my time with my wife,

1722
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 3: my daughter, and where these are our home now. So

1723
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:02,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's going to be for the

1724
01:39:02,439 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 3: next fifty years or twenty five, but this is our

1725
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:09,639
Speaker 3: home and I'm just enjoying it as much as possible.

1726
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:12,759
Speaker 8: And it's been super eazy. It's been super eazy because

1727
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:13,640
Speaker 8: the CD.

1728
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 3: Has been welcoming us super happily.

1729
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 8: So yeah, it's been fun.

1730
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 1: Okay. Lastly, when you I'm curious of this, you know,

1731
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 1: I drive past the speedway fairly often. I mean sometimes

1732
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:29,400
Speaker 1: by intent and sometimes I just happen to be on

1733
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 1: the west side and I drive past it, and you know,

1734
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 1: every once in a while just stop and I look

1735
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:36,720
Speaker 1: at the size of the venue, and you know, you

1736
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 1: can go past Lucas Oil Stadium, you can go past

1737
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:41,600
Speaker 1: Gambridge Field House, you can go past Memorial Stadium in

1738
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 1: Bloomington and see and think like wow, like big games

1739
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:49,599
Speaker 1: take place there. Does it really has it sunk into you?

1740
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 1: Does it? Do you grasp it when you drive past

1741
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:56,600
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and think to yourself, currently I

1742
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 1: own that place.

1743
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 3: Maybe not in that phrase, but yeah, yeah, I every

1744
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 3: time I'm there, I'm like, man, I cannot wait for

1745
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:12,960
Speaker 3: May to have people, because I think that's like all events,

1746
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:13,960
Speaker 3: but especially if.

1747
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:14,599
Speaker 8: The five hundred.

1748
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 3: What makes it feel so big and so good it's

1749
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 3: whenever you see so many fans and the atmosphere they bring.

1750
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 3: So I cannot wait to be the winner. But once

1751
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:29,720
Speaker 3: the people are in, and once you see people that

1752
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 3: they want to take a picture with you, and they

1753
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 3: give you all that good energy because you just want

1754
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:39,799
Speaker 3: eleven or twelve months ago. So I cannot wait for me, honestly,

1755
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 3: and to celebrate my first may or rate my first

1756
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 3: in five hundred as a winner.

1757
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 1: Now, what makes you nervous anything?

1758
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that makes me nervous,

1759
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:56,639
Speaker 3: like what I'm gonna eat for dinner, my wife, if

1760
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 3: I've done something wrong.

1761
01:40:58,120 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 8: There's a lot of stuff what I'm gonna eat for.

1762
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 1: Dinner, the trials, and well, I hate to say trials.

1763
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 1: That's probably a wrong word to say. There, Alex. Right,

1764
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 1: we know that there's that going on, and that seemingly

1765
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 1: you've been able to stay focused with all of that.

1766
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:15,519
Speaker 1: And I guess lastly, I would be remiss if I

1767
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 1: didn't ask in terms of the trial with the contract

1768
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 1: stuff that has seemingly never bothered you. But and I

1769
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 1: don't even know, so my pardon my ignorance on asking this.

1770
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:27,640
Speaker 1: Do we know when we get a resolution with all

1771
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 1: of that?

1772
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 3: It's still ongoing, But I would say beginning of the

1773
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 3: next year. I still don't re know. So I've spent

1774
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 3: some time in the UK. I wouldn't say that it

1775
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:44,840
Speaker 3: doesn't bother it does. I mean, it's important, but I mean,

1776
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:47,439
Speaker 3: when it comes to racing, at the end of the day,

1777
01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 3: my job is just to drive racing car asies as

1778
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:54,680
Speaker 3: they can and deliver results. So yeah, that's not been

1779
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 3: taking let's say, a performance.

1780
01:41:59,080 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 8: Out of it.

1781
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean hopefully it's so as soon as

1782
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 3: as possible so we can get that behind But it's

1783
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 3: been good now going into into trial and tell our

1784
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:13,720
Speaker 3: story for the first time instead of always saying that

1785
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:16,840
Speaker 3: I couldn't really comment, So yeah, I cannot really wait

1786
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 3: until it's over and it's off and we can get

1787
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 3: that behind us.

1788
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 1: So you are officially now a Hoosier. So and look

1789
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:28,759
Speaker 1: there's people around here, like people around here they're like, look,

1790
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 1: I you Purdue. It's a big rivalry. I'm just gonna

1791
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:33,679
Speaker 1: go ahead and say it. You loved your time at IU,

1792
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 1: but you're a Purdue fan as well.

1793
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 3: Right, I am not really gonna comment on that because

1794
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 3: I've never been to produce.

1795
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 1: So well, we'll have to get your Brune next, right.

1796
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 3: I guess I'll need to see and then I can

1797
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:49,439
Speaker 3: compare it.

1798
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:52,559
Speaker 8: Yes, I would, I would say that, yes, absolutely.

1799
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:54,599
Speaker 1: Lots of engineers that produce, so you probably can relate

1800
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:56,720
Speaker 1: to a lot of them. Alex, I'm glad you had

1801
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:58,360
Speaker 1: a good time down there, man, and you did a

1802
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 1: great job representing the series and representing just your team

1803
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 1: and all of it, and it looked like you had

1804
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. So I'm certainly appreciative of your

1805
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:09,200
Speaker 1: time today and sharing in the fun, and we'll see

1806
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:10,680
Speaker 1: if we can get you out do a Colts game

1807
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 1: as well.

1808
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 8: Absolutely, thank you so much, guys.

1809
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:15,679
Speaker 1: All right, Alex Plow joining us on the Java House

1810
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:18,799
Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest line. And for those that are unfamiliar,

1811
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 1: the lawsuit of which I spoke is simply the fact

1812
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:24,639
Speaker 1: that he had signed a contract with McLaren Racing and

1813
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 1: then turns out that he still had time left on

1814
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:31,600
Speaker 1: his contract with Ganassi Racing, and then there were contractual

1815
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 1: legalities back and forth that has led him to court

1816
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:40,000
Speaker 1: over in England with McLaren and figuring out where all

1817
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:43,160
Speaker 1: of that shakes out. And again he has been completely

1818
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 1: unflappable in that regard and super nice guy, super nice guy,

1819
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 1: and Indiana I think really enjoyed having him down there.

1820
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 1: I do know that from the IU standpoint and then

1821
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:57,840
Speaker 1: having you know, the milk chugging contest on Fox and

1822
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 1: everything that goes into it represented himself extremely extremely well,

1823
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:07,200
Speaker 1: joining us now on the program. He is with ESPN

1824
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 1: dot com. He is, of course the Colts beat writer.

1825
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 1: And it is a week from today that the trade

1826
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:15,439
Speaker 1: deadline hits. And I'm talking about Stephen Holder who joins

1827
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:18,960
Speaker 1: us on the program. Steven, Let's get right to that

1828
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:21,440
Speaker 1: meat of the matter, and that is, do you anticipate

1829
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:23,479
Speaker 1: within the next week that something will happen with the

1830
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 1: Colts In terms of Chris Ballard trying to get more

1831
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:27,120
Speaker 1: talent on this roster.

1832
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:32,719
Speaker 5: I think it's possible. I mean, not a defendative answer, obviously,

1833
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:38,800
Speaker 5: but I think they are looking. Okay, Now, what does

1834
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 5: that mean They're looking for something that makes a tangible difference.

1835
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:48,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I think they have they have a lot

1836
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 5: of talent. If they're going to make a move, it

1837
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 5: has to be something substantive that is going to move

1838
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 5: the needle. And that's kind of where I think they are.

1839
01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:58,479
Speaker 5: I mean, you're not making a deal just for the

1840
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:01,680
Speaker 5: sake of making a deal. And I will I will

1841
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:04,639
Speaker 5: say what I have consistently said. It is not their

1842
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:09,439
Speaker 5: way to make a splash at the trade deadline. That

1843
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:13,720
Speaker 5: is the most Unchris Ballard like thing. Right, but I

1844
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:17,040
Speaker 5: really believe this is a different year if they keep

1845
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 5: this up to the number one seed in the AFC.

1846
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:22,679
Speaker 5: All right, what more motivation do you need to do

1847
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 5: something different than than you might otherwise do. Now that

1848
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 5: being said, okay, let's let's remember these things tend to disappoint, right,

1849
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:37,719
Speaker 5: these situations at the NFL trade deadline. It is not MLB,

1850
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 5: it is not the NBA. They they're usually much less interesting.

1851
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:46,799
Speaker 5: But again we're talking about the Colds, and in their situation,

1852
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:50,680
Speaker 5: I do think there is motivation to do something, so

1853
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:53,800
Speaker 5: I'm more I'm more invested in paying attention to this

1854
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:54,400
Speaker 5: than usual.

1855
01:45:54,439 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 1: I will say that, Stephen, here's a weird angle on this. Okay.

1856
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 1: Oftentimes I think sometimes defensively speaking, so it's very easy

1857
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:07,320
Speaker 1: for us to sit here and say the Colts need

1858
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:10,360
Speaker 1: help with their pass rush. I get it, or their

1859
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:13,519
Speaker 1: defensive backfield that has been really hurt by injury. I

1860
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 1: get it. And I'm going to go back to and

1861
01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 1: I do reference this a lot, but I use it

1862
01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 1: as my baseline, you know, in talking to Bill Pollion,

1863
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:27,160
Speaker 1: when those teams were built and they went out and

1864
01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 1: got Freenie and mathis on the edges because they knew

1865
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:34,000
Speaker 1: that for three quarters of every game, the likelihood was

1866
01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:35,560
Speaker 1: that teams were going to have to be throwing the

1867
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:38,080
Speaker 1: football to keep up with the high flying offense that

1868
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning had, and that gave the Colts the ability

1869
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:46,760
Speaker 1: to basically know exactly what they were facing game in

1870
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 1: and game out from a defensive standpoint. Does it temper

1871
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 1: a little bit the need? And I get it the

1872
01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:55,240
Speaker 1: fact that this means teams are going to have to

1873
01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 1: throw if this offense continues to play at this level,

1874
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:02,280
Speaker 1: But does it in any way shape temper Chris Ballard's

1875
01:47:02,439 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 1: feeling of necessity of going out and bolstering a defense

1876
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 1: if he knows he's got an offense averaging thirty one

1877
01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 1: a game? Or is that a fool's goal to buy

1878
01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:12,839
Speaker 1: into that? Well?

1879
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 5: I do think that I will say this, The performance

1880
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:21,679
Speaker 5: of the offense is going to lead to some skewed

1881
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:24,879
Speaker 5: numbers on defense. So let's look at it. For example,

1882
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 5: I'm looking at it right now.

1883
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:26,679
Speaker 1: The Colts.

1884
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:32,720
Speaker 5: They are twenty fourth in defensive yards per game, So

1885
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:34,880
Speaker 5: the number of yards per game they allow, they are

1886
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 5: twenty fourth, three hundred and forty five yards. Now, if

1887
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:42,760
Speaker 5: you look at for example, an efficiency rating, which is

1888
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 5: for example, expected points added. Don't worry about what it means,

1889
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:52,439
Speaker 5: but it measures defensive efficiency. They're thirteenth, right, So what

1890
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:55,599
Speaker 5: this says is that overall you're getting the job done

1891
01:47:56,560 --> 01:48:00,280
Speaker 5: better than average. I think the question is we got

1892
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:04,320
Speaker 5: to look at it this way. What question are we asking?

1893
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 5: Are we asking is it good enough? Or are we

1894
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 5: asking is it super Bowl caliber? And I think those

1895
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:13,960
Speaker 5: are different questions. So I don't know what question Chris

1896
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:16,960
Speaker 5: Ballard is asking, but I think those are the two

1897
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:20,240
Speaker 5: different questions. The question isn't like, can we get by?

1898
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:22,879
Speaker 5: They can get by with this defense because their offense,

1899
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:25,960
Speaker 5: in part because their offense is so good and is

1900
01:48:25,960 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 5: scoring so many points. And I don't see that changing substantially. Okay,

1901
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:34,479
Speaker 5: I think they may. They may take a slight downturn

1902
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:36,840
Speaker 5: because of the defenses they face coming up, but I

1903
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:39,640
Speaker 5: don't think their offense is going to fall apart, so

1904
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:43,160
Speaker 5: they'll get that. The question is, though, is their defense

1905
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 5: enough to do whatever their goals are now, which, frankly,

1906
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:50,400
Speaker 5: the goals should be to win at all. Whether we

1907
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:52,280
Speaker 5: think that's realistic or not, that should be the goal

1908
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:52,760
Speaker 5: right now.

1909
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 1: So if that makes sense.

1910
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:56,200
Speaker 5: I think it's a matter of the question, not the

1911
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,759
Speaker 5: not necessary where they are at the moment.

1912
01:49:00,520 --> 01:49:04,960
Speaker 1: I keep going back to this, you know, when I

1913
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 1: think about the Colts and you know, can they win

1914
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:10,040
Speaker 1: it all? And in the back of my mind, I

1915
01:49:10,120 --> 01:49:11,800
Speaker 1: keep thinking to myself, well, the Colts are not the

1916
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:13,519
Speaker 1: best team in the league. And then I think, but

1917
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:17,360
Speaker 1: if they're not, who is I mean is you know,

1918
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:22,000
Speaker 1: the Colts haven't played anybody? Okay, As I keep saying,

1919
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 1: if the Colts haven't played anybody, that's fine, Then who

1920
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:27,959
Speaker 1: is somebody? And that's my question? Who is to somebody?

1921
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:32,360
Speaker 5: A lot of those somebodies quote unquote have two and

1922
01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 5: three and four losses, right, you know what I mean?

1923
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:40,759
Speaker 5: So I would say that the NFL this year is

1924
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:43,439
Speaker 5: one of those years where the projections are always wrong.

1925
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Speaker 1: Okay.

1926
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Speaker 5: Let me be Claire as someone and you as well

1927
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Speaker 5: as people who are in this business, this line of work,

1928
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 5: we're very used to being wrong, okay, And it's okay,

1929
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 5: I've come to terms with that. We don't know a

1930
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Speaker 5: lot before the season starts. But this year, more than

1931
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:02,640
Speaker 5: most you have been and not just us, but everybody

1932
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:07,320
Speaker 5: has been far more wrong than usual, all Right, look

1933
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Speaker 5: out of the Kansas City Chiefs getting it together. Yes,

1934
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Speaker 5: and I think they're going to be a problem. Right,

1935
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Speaker 5: But let's talk about you know, for example, I don't

1936
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:19,559
Speaker 5: know the Buffalo Bills. Are they Are you scared of

1937
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:20,800
Speaker 5: the Buffalo Bills right now?

1938
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Speaker 6: You know what I mean?

1939
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Speaker 5: Like a team like that for example, right, So I

1940
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:25,960
Speaker 5: just think there's a lot of that. And then you

1941
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:28,000
Speaker 5: look at New England like all of a sudden, New

1942
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,160
Speaker 5: England's a team like oh wait, well wait a minute, wait,

1943
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:34,240
Speaker 5: they have sort of a semi juggernaut on offense, and

1944
01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:37,280
Speaker 5: now we've got to pay attention to them. Nothing makes sense.

1945
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 5: Down is up and left is right. And so yes,

1946
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:44,200
Speaker 5: the Colts in theory, yes they could be the best

1947
01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:47,080
Speaker 5: team in the NFL. Is that's actually a plausible thing

1948
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:47,559
Speaker 5: right now?

1949
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Speaker 1: The thing about Kansas City and Buffalo, and I guess

1950
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Speaker 1: I should put New England in this category, Stephen, But

1951
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to stick with Kansas City and Buffalo. The

1952
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:02,880
Speaker 1: reason that I get paused with those two teams, even

1953
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:06,800
Speaker 1: though I realize they have been beaten. In Kansas City's case,

1954
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 1: it feels like they're just healthier and they're more in

1955
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 1: stride now. But those are the two teams that I

1956
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:16,880
Speaker 1: feel like offensively can keep up with Indianapolis, and that's

1957
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:18,000
Speaker 1: why that gave me pause.

1958
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:20,920
Speaker 5: I don't think there's any doubt. And the other thing

1959
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:25,599
Speaker 5: is experience, right, they have been the hunted before. They

1960
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:27,760
Speaker 5: know what that's like, and I think that matters a lot.

1961
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:30,920
Speaker 5: The Colts have not Okay, now they have a very

1962
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:34,879
Speaker 5: experienced team, and I think that will help them despite

1963
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:38,920
Speaker 5: not having a lot of playoff experience per se. But

1964
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 5: it is different when you're used to being the team

1965
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 5: that everybody gets up for on your schedule, and the

1966
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:48,920
Speaker 5: Chiefs have been doing that for five years, all right,

1967
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:52,599
Speaker 5: every every Sunday they get out of bed, You're somebody's

1968
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:55,639
Speaker 5: biggest game of the year. That's the real thing, man,

1969
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:59,400
Speaker 5: And I think that's why it's really hard, you know,

1970
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 5: like in college football, right, Indiana is like that, now, right,

1971
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:06,680
Speaker 5: how are they going to cope with that reality? So

1972
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 5: not to get a subject, but that's a real thing, right,

1973
01:52:09,400 --> 01:52:12,240
Speaker 5: There's a mental thing and an effort thing where you

1974
01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:16,559
Speaker 5: have to meet your opponent's effort and want to because

1975
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:18,880
Speaker 5: they really want to beat you, regardless if you care

1976
01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:23,599
Speaker 5: about them. So that's a reality and I think Kansas

1977
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:27,599
Speaker 5: City is better equipped to deal with that. The Bills

1978
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:30,639
Speaker 5: have dealt with that a little bit. So we'll see.

1979
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:32,200
Speaker 5: We will see, And I think that's going to be

1980
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:34,559
Speaker 5: as much of a test as anything. How do you

1981
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 5: play as a front runner, because that's a test in itself.

1982
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:42,519
Speaker 1: Stephen Holder is my guest ESPN dot com where you

1983
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:44,240
Speaker 1: can read his work. He is on the Java House

1984
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:49,280
Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest line Steven. It's a little early

1985
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:51,840
Speaker 1: for this, I realized because but we're just now approaching

1986
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:56,240
Speaker 1: the halfway point of the year. Okay. I always say

1987
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:59,320
Speaker 1: the one thing, and it's about the NFL that I

1988
01:52:59,320 --> 01:53:02,200
Speaker 1: think this more than in any other sport. When a

1989
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:06,360
Speaker 1: team's season comes to an end, oftentimes it comes to

1990
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 1: an end because of things that plugue them that were

1991
01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:14,719
Speaker 1: a microcosm of the season in general. Is there any

1992
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:17,200
Speaker 1: sort of a weakness that you can look towards right

1993
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:20,920
Speaker 1: now with this team that you feel like could be

1994
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:23,320
Speaker 1: the one that, in fact, we are talking about at

1995
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:26,080
Speaker 1: the end of the year as the microcosm that we

1996
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:27,640
Speaker 1: slept on in October.

1997
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 5: So I'm going to say something that people might disagree with,

1998
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:35,280
Speaker 5: but this I believe this. I think they are the

1999
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:40,280
Speaker 5: most complete team in the NFL period, And I know defense. Right,

2000
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:44,599
Speaker 5: Here's what I say. What you are seeing on defense now,

2001
01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:48,320
Speaker 5: which as I already outlined, is not necessarily as bad

2002
01:53:48,439 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 5: as it looks when you think about the actual efficiency

2003
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:56,760
Speaker 5: of it and what they're getting done, what you're seeing

2004
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:59,680
Speaker 5: as a product of injury. They'll get some guys back.

2005
01:54:00,160 --> 01:54:02,519
Speaker 5: The pass rush is not as bad as people want

2006
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:06,439
Speaker 5: to think. I think what you are seeing is a

2007
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:08,960
Speaker 5: secondary that is a bunch of practice squad guys who

2008
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 5: can't defend, and it is what it is.

2009
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:11,200
Speaker 2: Right.

2010
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:14,599
Speaker 5: As they get healthier, as money Ward comes back, as

2011
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 5: maybe Jalen Jones gets going here, possibly this week, in fact,

2012
01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:21,880
Speaker 5: likely this week, you know they will start, you would

2013
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:27,639
Speaker 5: imagine to look like a a more put together unit.

2014
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:32,720
Speaker 5: I think that the offense is bulletproof. Who do you

2015
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 5: go stop on offense? If you're the opponent, if you're

2016
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:38,720
Speaker 5: Mike Tomlin this week, who is the first name you're

2017
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:39,600
Speaker 5: putting on the board.

2018
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 6: I don't know.

2019
01:54:40,840 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 5: You might say, Johnathan Taylor. Okay, fine, go put eight

2020
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:46,200
Speaker 5: in the box and good luck. I'll see you fifty

2021
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:49,520
Speaker 5: points later, right right, So I think they are the

2022
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:52,440
Speaker 5: most complete team that defensive line for all we want

2023
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:55,640
Speaker 5: to talk about pass rush. I mean, individually, they have

2024
01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 5: a lot of talent there and when faced with opportunity,

2025
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 5: when quarterbacks hold the ball, they get there, right, I mean,

2026
01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 5: so they're getting it done. And I don't know that.

2027
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 5: I look at this team when healthy and say, well,

2028
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 5: you know what, Nah, that's what's going to kill them.

2029
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:14,160
Speaker 5: You just got to go beat them. You've got to

2030
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 5: be better than the Colts right now because they are

2031
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:18,000
Speaker 5: good top to bottom.

2032
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you.

2033
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:21,120
Speaker 5: I'm telling you go look at the other best team,

2034
01:55:21,200 --> 01:55:23,520
Speaker 5: so called best teams in the NFL. I can find

2035
01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:26,640
Speaker 5: you two three, four weaknesses. I can't find that with

2036
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:28,880
Speaker 5: the Colts. They're the most complete team in the NFL.

2037
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,240
Speaker 1: Trade deadline is a week from today, correct, What is

2038
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:35,240
Speaker 1: it like four pm? Yeah? Typically yes, So that means

2039
01:55:35,240 --> 01:55:37,680
Speaker 1: we'll hear about what happened at like four to ten right.

2040
01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 5: Oftentimes, yes, But you know that's because when you get

2041
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:46,720
Speaker 5: a big deal, they tend to happen. That's the deadline,

2042
01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:50,120
Speaker 5: that is true. So we'll see, we'll see if it

2043
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:53,560
Speaker 5: leaks early and if and when something happens. But yes,

2044
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:55,480
Speaker 5: that's typically what happens, all.

2045
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:58,040
Speaker 1: Right, Steven Holder will have it all covered. Hopefully we'll

2046
01:55:58,040 --> 01:55:59,480
Speaker 1: talk to you between now and then, but we shall

2047
01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:01,480
Speaker 1: see Steven. I appreciate it, and we will be watching

2048
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:04,320
Speaker 1: at ESPN dot com. All right, you got it, I

2049
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:08,040
Speaker 1: Steven Holder joining us. Java House, Peel and Poor Guest line.

2050
01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 1: By the way, Java House has locations, several of them

2051
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:14,640
Speaker 1: up in the home area of our next guest. Because

2052
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:20,040
Speaker 1: something happened on Friday night that I was looking up

2053
01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:23,080
Speaker 1: at the television and I thought to myself, is this

2054
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:26,440
Speaker 1: going to be an overreaction thing? Or do we need

2055
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:29,520
Speaker 1: to calm the waters? And I thought, let's go back

2056
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 1: to an old friend on the show to calm exactly that,

2057
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:35,800
Speaker 1: and perhaps we can do so over at Java House,

2058
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:38,200
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of them located exactly where

2059
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Speaker 1: he is. I'll tell you who I'm talking about and

2060
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Speaker 1: what next. This song, by the way, I believe, ranked

2061
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Speaker 1: by Rolling Stone, is the worst song of the eighties.

2062
01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:49,640
Speaker 1: I find it to be a complete banger. To be

2063
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:52,360
Speaker 1: honest with you, when they go to the traffic report

2064
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:54,480
Speaker 1: halfway through this song, I just turn it up and

2065
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:58,880
Speaker 1: blow out the speakers. Nothing like a little built this city, baby,

2066
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Speaker 1: Java House, Peel and Poor guest line. Java House multiple locations,

2067
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Speaker 1: including in Lafayette, but you don't need to go into one.

2068
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Speaker 1: For the best coffee. You can use to co Jake

2069
01:57:10,160 --> 01:57:13,640
Speaker 1: twenty five at java house dot com or simply put

2070
01:57:13,680 --> 01:57:16,440
Speaker 1: in my name on the search bar there. That's Jake

2071
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Speaker 1: query for the bundle, which includes Liquid Science, Java House,

2072
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Speaker 1: Columbian Coffee, and Wrangler Energy. Joining now on the gas

2073
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Speaker 1: line is Brian Nubert of Golden Black and Friday Night.

2074
01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:29,839
Speaker 1: I'm at dinner. I look up. Purdue is playing Kentucky

2075
01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:33,480
Speaker 1: in an exhibition and they were down double digits, I

2076
01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:35,320
Speaker 1: think as many as sixteen at one point when I

2077
01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:37,520
Speaker 1: looked up and I thought to myself, are we worried

2078
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:41,920
Speaker 1: about this? Or are we like laughing at those that are?

2079
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:43,760
Speaker 1: And I thought, well, Brian would be the perfect person

2080
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:46,920
Speaker 1: to ask, so I bring him on the program. Brian,

2081
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:49,560
Speaker 1: I'll ask simply that with perdue losing to Kentucky, are

2082
01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 1: we worried about that?

2083
01:57:51,400 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 6: You dare speak ill of Jefferson Starship?

2084
01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:59,240
Speaker 1: No, I'm telling you that song's a banger, but it's listed,

2085
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:01,720
Speaker 1: it's said, is the worst song in the eighties. Now

2086
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:03,640
Speaker 1: your toe was tapping there, be honest, right?

2087
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 2: Oh?

2088
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:07,360
Speaker 1: A little bit. A little bit.

2089
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:11,880
Speaker 6: To your question about Kentucky. No, I think it was

2090
01:58:11,960 --> 01:58:15,680
Speaker 6: kind of somewhere in the middle. You know, people people

2091
01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:17,800
Speaker 6: want to find things to be concerned about when the

2092
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:20,840
Speaker 6: A team is number one in the country. But I

2093
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:24,960
Speaker 6: think also people are inclined to understand the moment and

2094
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:28,240
Speaker 6: tend to laugh at some of the overreactions. In fact,

2095
01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:34,280
Speaker 6: I see a lot of media actually framing their coverage

2096
01:58:34,360 --> 01:58:37,120
Speaker 6: as overreactions. I think that's just kind of the nature

2097
01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:40,160
Speaker 6: of exhibition games. But Purdue doesn't prepare for these things.

2098
01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:45,520
Speaker 6: I told some of Kentucky's media before the game that

2099
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:48,960
Speaker 6: Purdue doesn't scout. Purdue doesn't really fully prepare to win

2100
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:50,840
Speaker 6: these games. It just kind of go out there and play,

2101
01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:53,520
Speaker 6: and obviously you want to win the game. I think

2102
01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:55,920
Speaker 6: it's it's kind of misconstrued here that I'm saying that

2103
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 6: Purdy wants to lose. But I think if they do lose,

2104
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:02,040
Speaker 6: the most important thing is they find positive to take

2105
01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:07,880
Speaker 6: out of losing. But they concentrate on themselves right up

2106
01:59:07,960 --> 01:59:09,920
Speaker 6: until game time and then they just kind of go

2107
01:59:09,960 --> 01:59:13,560
Speaker 6: out there and play. I think it was evident both

2108
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:15,560
Speaker 6: of those teams took a different approach I don't think

2109
01:59:15,560 --> 01:59:17,640
Speaker 6: anybody wants to lose on their home floor. So I

2110
01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:22,400
Speaker 6: don't think when Arkansas did it a couple of years ago,

2111
01:59:22,480 --> 01:59:25,800
Speaker 6: when Creighton did it, and obviously now when Kentucky did it,

2112
01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:29,520
Speaker 6: I don't blame them one bit for fully fully preparing

2113
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:32,360
Speaker 6: to win those games. But Purdue is going to take

2114
01:59:32,360 --> 01:59:35,760
Speaker 6: an opposite approach Perdue. Matt Painter wants this to go

2115
01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:38,120
Speaker 6: on the road, wants them to be pushed, wants them

2116
01:59:38,120 --> 01:59:42,400
Speaker 6: to get their you know what kicked. As as he

2117
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:46,320
Speaker 6: will tell you, that doesn't necessarily mean he wants to lose.

2118
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:50,040
Speaker 6: He just wants his team pushed its breaking point, to

2119
01:59:50,240 --> 01:59:56,200
Speaker 6: see what weaknesses there are and to have them experience

2120
01:59:56,280 --> 02:00:00,280
Speaker 6: failure when failure should surface. So I don't think there's

2121
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:05,640
Speaker 6: really anything to anything to be concerned about. Kentucky is bigger, longer,

2122
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:08,680
Speaker 6: and more athletic than Perdue. That that's breaking news. That's

2123
02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:13,240
Speaker 6: been true for as long as basketball has been played

2124
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:17,560
Speaker 6: in the Commonwealth and in the state of Indiana. But

2125
02:00:17,640 --> 02:00:21,440
Speaker 6: when you go back and look at the game and

2126
02:00:21,560 --> 02:00:26,080
Speaker 6: all the discussion about how Kentucky's defense really gave Purdue problems,

2127
02:00:26,360 --> 02:00:30,640
Speaker 6: it did at times. Perdu only scored sixty five points,

2128
02:00:30,680 --> 02:00:32,800
Speaker 6: but when you look at the percentage of times they

2129
02:00:32,840 --> 02:00:36,720
Speaker 6: got the shot they wanted, it was astronomical. Perdue missed

2130
02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:39,680
Speaker 6: wide open threes all day. Craig Koffman Ran missed at

2131
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:43,440
Speaker 6: least three or four, if not five shots in the

2132
02:00:43,480 --> 02:00:46,360
Speaker 6: first half alone. He shoots sixty seventy percent on If

2133
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:50,840
Speaker 6: that's normal, Perdue would would have put up eighty eighty

2134
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:52,760
Speaker 6: five points and nobody would be saying anything.

2135
02:00:53,080 --> 02:00:55,400
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, myself included, are intrigued

2136
02:00:55,400 --> 02:00:59,240
Speaker 1: by Daniel Jacobson just because of and it's unfair Brian

2137
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Speaker 1: Brian Nuberdog from Golden Black. It's unfair to immediately say, well,

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Speaker 1: they had Zach Edy, so here's another big guy that

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Speaker 1: can just dominate it. You know, there might be more

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Speaker 1: talent out of the box with Jacobson than you had

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Speaker 1: with Edie. That's not a slight at Edie, right, but

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Speaker 1: I mean Edie just his his growth was incredible. What

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Speaker 1: did you see from Jacobson against Kentucky in terms of

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Speaker 1: area of vulnerability and in terms of areas that were

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Speaker 1: of promise.

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, he's obviously not Zach Edy level physical presence

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Speaker 6: quite yet. I mean he's as tall as Zach Edy,

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Speaker 6: but he's not going to be as as powerful as

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Speaker 6: strong anytime soon, if not ever in his life. But

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Speaker 6: with Zach Edy, you're also talking about a kind of

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Speaker 6: a kind of a one of one guy here.

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Speaker 1: The thing about.

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Speaker 6: Daniel Jacobson now is his height and length. The dunk

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Speaker 6: in the block shot will be part of what Purdue

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Speaker 6: does it again this year after both were noticeably absent

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Speaker 6: all last year. Purdue was horrible last season finishing at

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Speaker 6: the rim. Perdy, you didn't block any shots after Daniel

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Speaker 6: Jacobson got hurt. They they blocked like one a week.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, And.

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Speaker 6: If that, I think just having some rim protection between

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Speaker 6: him and Oscar Cluff, you know, it's going to help

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02:02:19,680 --> 02:02:22,400
Speaker 6: them defensively. It's going to help their size, is going

2163
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:24,480
Speaker 6: to help on the glass, and it pretty becomes a

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02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:28,200
Speaker 6: better rebounding team. That is going to make them markedly

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Speaker 6: better defensively, and it's going to make them better offensively too,

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Speaker 6: because I think you're going to see Braden Smith get

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02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:36,080
Speaker 6: into more transition opportunities which Purdy was really good at

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Speaker 6: last year but couldn't get into because they weren't blocking shots,

2169
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:41,800
Speaker 6: they weren't generating turnovers and they were having to fight

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Speaker 6: like hell just to get defensive rebounds because they were

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02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:48,320
Speaker 6: so undersized. So I think Daniel Jacobson will have an

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Speaker 6: opportunity here, you know, to kind of keep developing into

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02:02:53,400 --> 02:02:55,480
Speaker 6: a really, really good player, but he'll also be a

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Speaker 6: major contributor this year. I think Oscar Cluff has been

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02:02:57,800 --> 02:02:59,240
Speaker 6: the best thing that could have happened to him because

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Speaker 6: he's got to practice against this really physical dude, uh

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Speaker 6: every single day, And when Jacobson's on the floor, people

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02:03:05,600 --> 02:03:08,160
Speaker 6: are going to try to get into his chest, to

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Speaker 6: negate his length, They're going to try to back him down.

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02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:12,640
Speaker 6: They're going to try to be physical because when you're

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02:03:12,640 --> 02:03:16,960
Speaker 6: tall and you're still relatively skinny, people you know, sometimes

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02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:18,800
Speaker 6: see you as a target. And he's and now he's

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02:03:18,840 --> 02:03:20,880
Speaker 6: he's like two hundred and fifty pounds. He's way better

2184
02:03:20,920 --> 02:03:23,280
Speaker 6: off than he was last year. But he still long

2185
02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:27,920
Speaker 6: and looked skinny, even even though his definition of skinny

2186
02:03:28,040 --> 02:03:32,040
Speaker 6: might not be necessarily necessarily reality. People are going to

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02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:34,680
Speaker 6: test him physically and he's going to have to be

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Speaker 6: up to it.

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Speaker 1: They were out rebounded was Purdue and that exhibition against Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: I think it was like forty two thirty or someone

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02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:43,720
Speaker 1: if I'm if I read that correctly, how big a

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02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:45,040
Speaker 1: pointybound margin?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:47,320
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, how big a point of emphasis was that

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02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:50,280
Speaker 1: or concern after the game? Was that from Matt Painter?

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Speaker 6: Well, if you kind of look at the way the

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02:03:53,080 --> 02:03:54,960
Speaker 6: game played out, I might be taking a little bit

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02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:56,920
Speaker 6: of a different approach to this, but I think it

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Speaker 6: was a backhanded positive for Purdue defensively the Kentucky you

2200
02:04:00,160 --> 02:04:03,680
Speaker 6: had to shoot twenty nine threes. I don't know what

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Speaker 6: Kentucky's offensive identity is going to be this year. I

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02:04:07,200 --> 02:04:09,480
Speaker 6: don't know if they know what their offensive identity is

2203
02:04:09,720 --> 02:04:11,680
Speaker 6: going to be quite yet, because they're still down some

2204
02:04:11,680 --> 02:04:14,080
Speaker 6: guys and whatnot. But when they have to shoot twenty

2205
02:04:14,160 --> 02:04:17,200
Speaker 6: nine threes, you're not getting beat for rebounds at the

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02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:20,600
Speaker 6: rim every single time like Perdy was last year. You're

2207
02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:23,760
Speaker 6: getting beat on some long rebounds. You're getting beat on

2208
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:26,360
Speaker 6: some rebounds that you just can't handle for whatever reason.

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Speaker 6: So I don't think it was the size and physicality

2210
02:04:30,200 --> 02:04:33,480
Speaker 6: in terms of their rebounding like it was last year.

2211
02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:35,880
Speaker 6: I think it was just kind of the way the

2212
02:04:35,880 --> 02:04:40,520
Speaker 6: game played out. But you can't really you can't really

2213
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:44,800
Speaker 6: expect to go in there and really really dominate Kentucky

2214
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:49,160
Speaker 6: as a rebounding team the way Purdy will probably dominate

2215
02:04:49,200 --> 02:04:53,840
Speaker 6: some of these smaller teams, and they will be right there,

2216
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:56,880
Speaker 6: I'm sure, if not better than the Texas, Texa, the World,

2217
02:04:56,960 --> 02:05:01,000
Speaker 6: the Iowa States, Alabama people like that. I think Purdue

2218
02:05:01,080 --> 02:05:02,760
Speaker 6: is going to be a good rebounding team this year.

2219
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:05,840
Speaker 6: I think expecting them to be a great rebound team

2220
02:05:05,960 --> 02:05:08,480
Speaker 6: is might be a little bit much, but I think

2221
02:05:08,520 --> 02:05:10,720
Speaker 6: just getting to a good rebounding team, get two or

2222
02:05:10,720 --> 02:05:14,680
Speaker 6: three putbacks a game, just don't have to sell out

2223
02:05:14,720 --> 02:05:18,600
Speaker 6: completely just to get a defensive rebound. I think it's

2224
02:05:18,600 --> 02:05:20,720
Speaker 6: going to make a huge difference for them, and I

2225
02:05:20,760 --> 02:05:24,280
Speaker 6: think that that's going to solve a lot of their

2226
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:26,960
Speaker 6: problems from last season. It's going to make them a

2227
02:05:27,040 --> 02:05:29,040
Speaker 6: much better team. I think Oscar Kluff is going to

2228
02:05:29,080 --> 02:05:33,480
Speaker 6: be a great defensive rebounder. I think Daniel Jacobson is

2229
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:35,560
Speaker 6: going to help with his length. I think the two

2230
02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:38,280
Speaker 6: of those guys combined, whether it's Jacobson or Kluff, that

2231
02:05:38,360 --> 02:05:41,520
Speaker 6: Kauf mo Reentz playing next to, I think their blast

2232
02:05:41,600 --> 02:05:45,200
Speaker 6: radius is going to open up some opportunities for tray

2233
02:05:45,240 --> 02:05:48,040
Speaker 6: coff mourn to become a better rebounder. He says he

2234
02:05:48,120 --> 02:05:50,960
Speaker 6: expects to be a better rebounder. Purdue says, we expect

2235
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:53,280
Speaker 6: them to be a better rebounder. I think they're kind

2236
02:05:53,320 --> 02:05:56,440
Speaker 6: of challenging him to be, but I think that stands

2237
02:05:56,480 --> 02:05:59,920
Speaker 6: to reason. You remember how many offensive rebounds Mason Gilli

2238
02:06:00,040 --> 02:06:03,280
Speaker 6: she used to be able to sneak into when Zach

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02:06:03,480 --> 02:06:08,120
Speaker 6: Edy was occupying everybody around him. And I think that

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Speaker 6: that's kind of the extreme comparison there. But I think

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02:06:10,920 --> 02:06:13,000
Speaker 6: tray coffin run is gonna have some space to operate

2242
02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:16,400
Speaker 6: and some smaller people garden him, and I think he

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02:06:16,440 --> 02:06:17,800
Speaker 6: can be a much better rebounder now.

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02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:20,280
Speaker 1: I think it was before too. Brian, do you find

2245
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:22,840
Speaker 1: it difficult to remember whether or not a certain era

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02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:27,040
Speaker 1: is Starship, Jefferson Starship, or Jefferson Airplane? They all run

2247
02:06:27,080 --> 02:06:28,160
Speaker 1: together to me, right.

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02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:33,600
Speaker 6: No, because I think I think they sound distinctly different.

2249
02:06:33,640 --> 02:06:36,840
Speaker 6: I think Jefferson Airplane sounds distinctly late sixties, and I

2250
02:06:36,840 --> 02:06:40,120
Speaker 6: think Jefferson Starships sounds shamelessly eighties.

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Speaker 1: And built the city. Though we agree it is a banger,

2252
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:47,160
Speaker 1: right like you like it, you'll.

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02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:50,760
Speaker 6: Turn out I used to go to. I grew up

2254
02:06:50,760 --> 02:06:52,960
Speaker 6: in New Jersey and I had season tickets to the

2255
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:56,120
Speaker 6: New Jersey Devils, and we built this city. Who was

2256
02:06:56,160 --> 02:06:58,600
Speaker 6: actually the song they played for a while when they

2257
02:06:58,600 --> 02:07:00,920
Speaker 6: were skating out on the eye before the game for

2258
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:06,120
Speaker 6: warm ups, and it's like forever, It's forever etched into

2259
02:07:06,160 --> 02:07:08,840
Speaker 6: my brain. So that brought back a lot of memories

2260
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:09,920
Speaker 6: of some very bad hockey.

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02:07:10,360 --> 02:07:12,560
Speaker 1: You and Puddy up in the stands, paint in the chest.

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Speaker 6: I love it, man, just trying to support the team.

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02:07:18,680 --> 02:07:23,840
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. That's exactly right, man. It's the playoffs. Brian,

2264
02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:24,960
Speaker 1: appreciate it as always.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: We look forward to talking to you again.

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02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:28,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, no problem, take anytime.

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Speaker 1: Brian Nubert from Goldenblack dot com. I love an obscure

2269
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:34,560
Speaker 1: Seinfeld reference from time to time. Right, well, come back,

2270
02:07:34,680 --> 02:07:36,960
Speaker 1: job will join us. It is the crossover brought to

2271
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:38,560
Speaker 1: you by the good guys that love heating and air.

2272
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:42,200
Speaker 1: And we'll see what Jamb's got lined up next. Eddie,

2273
02:07:42,280 --> 02:07:47,000
Speaker 1: if I were to ask you your favorite place to

2274
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:51,520
Speaker 1: go around and find yourself, you know, if somebody said, yeah,

2275
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:53,520
Speaker 1: I saw Eddie shopping the other day, what's the most

2276
02:07:53,560 --> 02:07:55,720
Speaker 1: likely place where you would be found.

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02:07:55,560 --> 02:07:57,480
Speaker 2: Oh, man, I don't know, because I don't really shop.

2278
02:07:57,560 --> 02:07:58,240
Speaker 2: That's the problem.

2279
02:07:58,480 --> 02:07:58,640
Speaker 6: I do.

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02:07:58,800 --> 02:07:59,640
Speaker 2: It's for groceries.

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02:08:01,000 --> 02:08:05,440
Speaker 1: Okay, So you'd be at what like Kroger walking around? Yeah, okay.

2282
02:08:07,000 --> 02:08:11,360
Speaker 1: For me, it would probably be I mean, the cologne

2283
02:08:11,400 --> 02:08:14,760
Speaker 1: section at Nordstrom. Maybe be a.

2284
02:08:14,680 --> 02:08:18,600
Speaker 2: Good call, Kroger and Meyer, one of the two.

2285
02:08:18,760 --> 02:08:22,520
Speaker 1: On a Sunday around one, you can probably see Shannon

2286
02:08:22,600 --> 02:08:25,480
Speaker 1: I at a Java house for J and V. It's

2287
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:27,720
Speaker 1: where he is today, his home away from home. He's

2288
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:30,360
Speaker 1: at the Goodwill up in Carmel, right next to Wolfe's.

2289
02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:32,480
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, he joins us now on

2290
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:35,120
Speaker 1: the Crossover. Brought to you by Love Heating and Air

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Speaker 1: lovedash HVAC dot com, the website three one seven, three

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Speaker 1: five three twenty one forty one, the telephone number. And John,

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02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:45,800
Speaker 1: You've got on the program today a return guest. That

2294
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:49,240
Speaker 1: last time he was on with you was an awesome conversation.

2295
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:55,000
Speaker 1: Right do we have John.

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02:08:54,920 --> 02:08:57,440
Speaker 2: Eddie don't I'm not sure?

2297
02:08:57,440 --> 02:08:58,880
Speaker 1: When do you want to pretend like JMV.

2298
02:08:59,520 --> 02:09:02,040
Speaker 2: I mean, but I don't want to offend John by

2299
02:09:02,080 --> 02:09:03,400
Speaker 2: any stretch of the imagination.

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02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:06,160
Speaker 1: Boomer Assias and by the Way is who he has

2301
02:09:06,280 --> 02:09:08,800
Speaker 1: on the program today and what happened there? We just

2302
02:09:08,840 --> 02:09:11,520
Speaker 1: had him an awesome guest last time that he was

2303
02:09:11,560 --> 02:09:16,160
Speaker 1: on with John James just walked in, looks very concerned.

2304
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:21,040
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens here. Power just went out, really

2305
02:09:21,160 --> 02:09:24,960
Speaker 1: will Yeah? All right, well maybe I'll stick around for

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02:09:25,000 --> 02:09:26,800
Speaker 1: a minute and find out whether or not we're in

2307
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:30,960
Speaker 1: the as JV calls it, the pad time overtime. Right.

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02:09:31,000 --> 02:09:32,880
Speaker 1: It's funny because Eddy and I are gonna be like

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02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:35,480
Speaker 1: the Blue Jays and the Dodgers. We'll go to night Moore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny because he it literally just went out

2311
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:40,560
Speaker 2: right when you tried to toss it to him, he

2312
02:09:40,640 --> 02:09:41,800
Speaker 2: was there, then he wasn't.

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Speaker 1: That's the story of our lives, right, John though, is

2314
02:09:46,120 --> 02:09:48,920
Speaker 1: going to be up next Boomers Heson among those that

2315
02:09:49,120 --> 02:09:51,440
Speaker 1: will join him. We will see whether or not the

2316
02:09:51,480 --> 02:09:54,880
Speaker 1: power gets restored, and whether or not we go out

2317
02:09:54,920 --> 02:09:57,000
Speaker 1: to him or perhaps we carry it home for you

2318
02:09:57,080 --> 02:09:58,200
Speaker 1: for just a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: I'm fascinated Jake to watch number two tonight, or not

2320
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:03,800
Speaker 2: game two, but game two in LA game.

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02:10:03,640 --> 02:10:08,360
Speaker 1: Four of Sholtani after you know last night. Look, he's

2322
02:10:08,440 --> 02:10:10,280
Speaker 1: going to be on the Mountain tonight, and yes, I

2323
02:10:10,360 --> 02:10:13,280
Speaker 1: realized that he was walked in four of those appearances,

2324
02:10:13,280 --> 02:10:16,160
Speaker 1: but he was on the bass paths for nine different

2325
02:10:16,160 --> 02:10:18,520
Speaker 1: at bats last night, had to trot around the bases

2326
02:10:18,520 --> 02:10:21,000
Speaker 1: a couple of times and was out there in the field.

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02:10:21,080 --> 02:10:24,240
Speaker 1: We'll see what it means for him tonight, and I'm

2328
02:10:24,280 --> 02:10:26,600
Speaker 1: hoping the Blue Jays can do it. But I had

2329
02:10:26,600 --> 02:10:30,560
Speaker 1: the feeling last night that was probably whoever was going

2330
02:10:30,640 --> 02:10:32,960
Speaker 1: to win that game, that marathon. It was an unbelievable game.

2331
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:36,840
Speaker 1: It was a great performance, and the Blue Jays were

2332
02:10:36,840 --> 02:10:38,360
Speaker 1: aggressive because they knew they had to be.

2333
02:10:38,520 --> 02:10:41,560
Speaker 2: Shane Justin Bieber on the mound tonight for Toronto and

2334
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:44,760
Speaker 2: the party. I'm most interested in, Jak is how Dave

2335
02:10:44,840 --> 02:10:48,160
Speaker 2: Roberts will handle Showeyotani, just because of the fact he's

2336
02:10:48,160 --> 02:10:50,560
Speaker 2: been kind of limited on a pitchcown for most of

2337
02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:53,080
Speaker 2: the season because he's coming back from his second time

2338
02:10:53,080 --> 02:10:53,320
Speaker 2: he came.

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02:10:53,400 --> 02:10:56,200
Speaker 1: His last outing, he was unbelievable. Yeah, and he's not human.

2340
02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:58,080
Speaker 1: That's the other thing that comes into play here. Right,

2341
02:10:58,120 --> 02:11:00,000
Speaker 1: he might be the greatest baseball player of all time.

2342
02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:02,720
Speaker 1: All Right, I thank you for listening to Query and Company.

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02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:04,400
Speaker 1: John is up next. We'll see whether or not we

2344
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:06,120
Speaker 1: can connect. If not, we will be right back with

2345
02:11:06,160 --> 02:11:08,840
Speaker 1: you in just a couple of minutes before jamb takes

2346
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:12,000
Speaker 1: over here on ninety three five and one of seven.

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Speaker 1: Pid the Fan