1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: We are rolling into the nine o'clock hour. It is 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: one of the best weeks of the year, and for 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: the first time in over a decade, it'll be plenty 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: of fans infiltrating a great city of Indianapolis for the 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: final four. A man that has experienced that as a 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: head coach, and if I'm not mistaken, I want to 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: say their first two games of that three run was 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: at the RCA Dome. Let's head to the paylosts lookers 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: hotline right now. He's one of our favorite guests. He's 10 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: the former IU coach. He is Tom Crane coach. 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: Is that right? 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: You guys beat Missouri if memory serves at the dome? 13 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: Is that right? 14 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 15 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 3: We beat Holy Cross in the first game on a Thursday, 16 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 3: and then we beat Missouri in overtime inside of that dome. 17 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 3: A player that Missouri had, Ricky Paulding, missed a shot 18 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: at the buzzer and it put the game into overtime. 19 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: And We've done We. 20 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 3: Did something that I've never been a part of before. 21 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: Since we went ten for ten in the overtime. 22 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: We won the game. 23 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: God, what a time to come up clutch there? What 24 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: was I guess? Let's stick here for just a second. 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: You hear this a lot about Super Bowl week, and 26 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: I get the preparation times a little bit different, But 27 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 1: was did you find the break in between the elite 28 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: eight in the Final four challenging at all from a 29 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: head coach standpoint and getting your guys kind of locked 30 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: in come Saturday night? 31 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: Well, I think when we were in the practices, we 32 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 3: were really good because we'd had a little issue between 33 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: Missouri and Pittsburgh and the Sweet sixteen with kind of 34 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: feeling ourselves a little bit and almost to the point 35 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: where we had gone as far as we thought we 36 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 3: could go, you know, with our practice habit, and that 37 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: wasn't the case. 38 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: And I think we. 39 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: Got shook out of that after the Pittsburgh practice or 40 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: the day before Pittsburgh, I should say, we win that game, 41 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: we win the Kentucky game, so we were really locked 42 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: into basketball. And so I didn't really have the issues 43 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: with that. But there's just so many around and it's 44 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 3: so much more now because that was pre Twitter, and 45 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 3: that was pre anybody can be a journalist, right, I mean, 46 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: it was just it was all the networks were camped out, 47 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: it was it was a big deal, and I think 48 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 3: just the pageantry of it can soften you up a 49 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 3: little bit. And I think that's why the level of practice, 50 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 3: the level of your film study as a coach and 51 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: a coaching staff, I mean, you can't get off script 52 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: or out of character on what's most important, and that's 53 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 3: to go into that tournament and be ready to win. 54 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: But those things didn't hurt us. We just ran into 55 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 3: a really good Kansas team and we missed a bunch 56 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: of close shots inside of that game. And if you 57 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 3: missed close shots and your bigs are around the basket 58 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: and the running game that Kansas had, we just couldn't 59 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: stop it. So a lot of things got to go 60 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: right in those games. But the week of preparation is 61 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: really making sure that you do not get away from 62 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: what got you there, and you keep getting that across 63 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 3: as much as you can. 64 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 4: Coach you or my eyes for quite a few of 65 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 4: the games, as you were on the call nationally for 66 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 4: a lot of the tournaments, I was making my drive 67 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 4: to and from Florida, so very much appreciate that you're 68 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 4: also in the building for the Yukon Duke game, your thoughts, 69 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 4: your immediate reaction of the Braylin Mullens game winner. 70 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 3: Well, obviously I had a great view of it and 71 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 3: seeing it all happen, and my INITU reaction was to 72 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: look at the replay right away, because we've got a 73 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 3: replay on a replay monitor right next to us, so 74 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 3: I've seen some pictures since of that shot that I'm 75 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: in the background of it. I'm looking dead at the replay. 76 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 3: But I wasn't as stunned as you want to just 77 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: make sure it counts, because in radio the most important 78 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 3: two words are layout, right, like, once something like that happens, 79 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 3: it's the play by plays man's job to just take 80 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: it and run with it. So it wasn't like I 81 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: was getting ready to say something. I just wanted to 82 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: make sure it counted. And it was incredible. And the 83 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: thing that stuck out to me was just how picture 84 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: perfect Brayln Mullins shot that ball. I mean like he 85 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: didn't hero shoot it, he didn't fade, he didn't shoot 86 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: some cute shot. He shot a jump shot, and it 87 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: was just right place, right time for those guys with 88 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: the steal in deflections and with Alex Caraban having the 89 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: presence of mind of knowing the clock and knowing he 90 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 3: didn't have as good as shot as his teammate did. 91 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: And that assist, as great as the shot is, that 92 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 3: is one of the most valuable assists that the NCAA 93 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: tournament's ever seen. 94 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: I think that's super super well well said, especially a 95 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: players accomplished as Caravan is. He easily could have taken 96 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: that shot, and I don't think a teamate would have 97 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: bad any That's Tom Creane, of course, he was on 98 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: the West with one call. And we're getting ready for 99 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: the Final four coming up this weekend. Let's go to 100 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: the second game on Saturday night. Coach Michigan and Arizona. 101 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: To me, it's one of the more marquee matchups we've 102 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: had in the Final four in quite some time. Just 103 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: your overall thoughts in what I think has all the 104 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: makings to be a great, great game, Well it does. 105 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: And and to beat Michigan, no matter who it is, 106 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 3: you've really got to attack their big men, and that 107 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: that's what produed a couple of weeks ago when they 108 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: were when the Big ten tournament championship is they just 109 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: went at his body and and they spaced out the 110 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 3: bigs and made them chase on the perimeter. 111 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 2: They ran pick and roll. 112 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 3: Arizona is definitely physical enough, without question, there's physical as 113 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 3: anybody in the country to match up at a game like that. 114 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 3: But to beat Michigan, you've got to do something different. 115 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 3: And uh, they're not as good in the ballscreen game 116 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: A daimas certainly not because he gets to that drop coverage, 117 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: which means he's just backed off the ball and he's 118 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 3: and he's putting a lot of pressure on the pull 119 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: up jump shot or the pressure on him is what 120 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 3: happens after his man sets the screen. And so the 121 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 3: the Michigan offense is it is at a high level 122 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: right now because Jacks Lendenberg is playing like a guard, 123 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: but he can also play like a power forward, I mean, 124 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 3: so that matchup is really tough. But Arizona has got 125 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: is good of the eight players as anybody in this tournament, 126 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: and they have numerous ways that they can hurt you. 127 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: They just don't have the bigs that can step outside 128 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: and make three. So they're gonna have to be really 129 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 3: good in the pick and roll game, getting the ball 130 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 3: thrown back to the bigs, attacking, playing going at their 131 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: bodies inside, and that'll be a good game because if 132 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: you let the big men roam free for Michigan that 133 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: they're really hard to beat. 134 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 4: Tom Creen joining us on the Payliss Ligers hotline coach. 135 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 4: I don't want to forget about the undercard because a 136 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 4: lot of people are looking at Arizona and Michigan and 137 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 4: saying that's the heavyweight fight right there. I don't want to. 138 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 4: I think you kan Illinois is a pretty solid matchup 139 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 4: as well. I want to get your thoughts on how 140 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 4: do you think you kind of Illinois looks on Saturday afternoon. 141 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 2: Well, people just. 142 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 3: Have to remember and you're right, it's going to be 143 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 3: a week of looking at Arizona, Michigan and then Yukon Illinois. 144 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 3: You can't do that in this tournament. I mean you 145 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: can't do it in any final four, but you certainly 146 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 3: can't do it in this Remember Houston last year had 147 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 3: a huge lead in the in the in the second 148 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: half against Florida and lost the lead basically because they 149 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 3: couldn't manipulate getting to the foul line enough and a 150 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 3: lot and and shot a lot of jump shots and 151 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 3: didn't create a lot of contact. So when you get 152 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: into the games, anything can truly happen. And Illinois and 153 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: Yukon are definitely good enough to win this tournament, because 154 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: you remember, you only got to be better than the 155 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: other team once, and that sounds goofy, but that's the truth, 156 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: and so you just you just have to have really 157 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 3: good game plans for that Yukon. For Illinois, it'll be 158 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: like Illinois, who's already faced Yukon this year and lost 159 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: to them, But it'll be like facing a Michigan State 160 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: team or a Purdue team with how much they run 161 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: their offense and how much they screen. Like I think 162 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 3: the screening of Yukon, and I said this different times 163 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 3: on the broadcast, it really hurt Duke cam Boozer having 164 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: to chase around those screens constantly, because what happens when 165 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: you're not used to seeing all those screens you run 166 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: into them. And now Illinois has seen that. But they're 167 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: gonna put Illinois through more screens than even Michigan State 168 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,119 Speaker 3: or Perdue do and they're really really hard to navigate that. Now, 169 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 3: can you can win if they're one for whatever, one 170 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: for eighteen deep into the game in the final four 171 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: and Indie versus all that length and size and shooting 172 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 3: of Illinois. Probably not, But there's no reason to believe 173 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 3: that they're gonna They said they just missed a bunch 174 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: of open shots the other day. But I think that 175 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 3: game is going to be great. I think you're going 176 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 3: to see two outstanding freshmen and Raylan Mullins obviously from Greenfield, 177 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 3: and Keaton Wogler, who is probably gonna go higher in 178 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: this draft than most people are even possibly anticipating right now. 179 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's that good. So it's a 180 00:08:54,679 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: game of great size, really good guard play. That game, 181 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, to me, will come 182 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: down to the point guard play of Storyokovich and Kylin 183 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: Boswell versus Malachi Smith and Sallas Tamari Junior. Whichever point 184 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: guard crewe had a better overall game, It's probably going 185 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 3: to be the winner of that game. 186 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 4: Tom Crane on the Payloss Slickers phone line with us 187 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 4: right now. Tom, we're gonna get your thoughts on how 188 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 4: you think Saturday plays out momentarily. But I want to 189 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 4: get your thoughts on produced season coming to an end 190 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 4: on Saturday. How will you remember this era of Perdue 191 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 4: basketball didn't see a national championship, but you had some 192 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: pretty deep runs into March. How will you remember the 193 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 4: Braden Smith, Zach edie Eras at Purdue. 194 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: Well, they did play for a national championship, which so many, 195 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 3: very few people can ever say that, And so I 196 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: think that team did a fantastic job. I think Matt 197 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: is one of the absolute best coaches in the country. 198 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 3: I mean, he's in if you're picking, if you're using 199 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 3: one hand to pick the top five coaches, there's not 200 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: a doubt he's in that hand, and he's a lot 201 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 3: closer to the top of it than fourth or fifth. 202 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 3: I mean, he's just an outstanding coach. You understand his teams, 203 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: understands what buttons to push, doesn't get too caught up 204 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: in the emotion one way or the other of the 205 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 3: way this season is going. And I think what he 206 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: did after losing in the Big Ten, after losing the 207 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 3: last game of the year, and then go and winning 208 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 3: that Big Ten tournament championship and getting to the other day, 209 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 3: that speaks volumes about that group's resiliency responsibility. That they 210 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: had to like each other into that program to get 211 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 3: over whatever was bothering them or hurting them or keeping 212 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: them from being successful and figure it back out. And 213 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: they just got beat by a team that just had 214 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 3: more than them the other night, and so that was 215 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: not a more often than not, this group will be 216 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 3: remembered for when. 217 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: They didn't win. 218 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: It wasn't that they lost the game themselves. It was 219 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: that somebody just beat them. And I think that's one 220 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: of the great things you can say. But they sure 221 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: had a heck of a lot more wins than they 222 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 3: did anything else. And I think at some point, I 223 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: think you would see some type of honoring for Braden 224 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 3: Smith that your lawyer and Trey Kaufman Wren, where they 225 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 3: are honored and looked at together and deservedly. So yeah, I. 226 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: Would agree on that. Again, Tom Creane with us here 227 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: on the Paylott Sickars Hotline Final four a week alive 228 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: and well in INDI coach, another year for Indiana comes 229 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: to an end without an NCAA tournament birth, without an 230 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: nca tournament victory, of course, And you know, I found 231 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: myself kind of looking back, and you know, I think 232 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: it's been six coaches since the Bob Knight era, and 233 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: undoubtedly it was your era that has had the most 234 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: success of any of them. And you walked in there, 235 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: of course, under you know, Frankly Roster. Hell, what do 236 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: you think it was about your plan, your guys process 237 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: certainly a process that had to evolve f in the 238 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: first couple of years that led to success that really 239 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: no one else in the program has been able to 240 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: replicate in the last twenty years. 241 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 3: Well, the times were so different and so there was 242 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 3: no way with what we dealt with would happen to 243 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 3: build an entirely new roster. There was no way to 244 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 3: get old or get big, and I shouldn't say that big, 245 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 3: get old or get really good really quick. You know, 246 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 3: there was no portal, There was no nil type stuff. 247 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not even sure we might have had 248 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: grand transfers back then, but I'm. 249 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 2: Sure if we did. 250 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 3: But the bottom line is we had to have a 251 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: true rebuild, like an. 252 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: Old school rebuild that. 253 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 3: Nobody, nobody would ever get the time to do anymore 254 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: because there's no reason for it. You have too many 255 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 3: ways that you can get your team better. The bottom 256 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 3: line is we wanted to recruit to build a team 257 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: that could win the Big Ten because if you felt 258 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: you could win, we felt we could win the Big 259 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 3: Ten and you could play for the national championship. 260 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: And I just think. 261 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 3: Every step we took was about making sure that we 262 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 3: were bringing in guys that were that you could improve with, 263 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: that wanted to improve, that had a hunger, and whether 264 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 3: they were from Indiana or not, they had the mental 265 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 3: capacity to come in there and realize Indiana is really 266 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 3: special and it's a big deal to be here. And 267 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 3: you may screw up here and there in your life, 268 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: but man, nothing's bigger than this program. And we really 269 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 3: worked hard at that, and I thought we recruited to 270 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 3: that and then our individual player development of just being 271 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 3: locked in day in and day out to their improvement, 272 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: you know. And I always saw myself as the lead 273 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: player development coach, right like I wasn't I had other 274 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 3: really good coaches, but I wasn't going to miss those days. 275 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: I was not going to miss when we were out 276 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 3: with one guy to work out, or four guys to 277 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 3: work out, or three guys to work out. 278 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: And I think over the period of time, that's what 279 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: it is. 280 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 3: We kept a very very hands on approach to everything 281 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 3: that we were trying to do in the program. And 282 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean we didn't lose, and it doesn't mean 283 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 3: that we had all great days, but we were not 284 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: going to leave to chance the level of improvement that 285 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 3: was needed to compete at this level, and for the 286 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 3: most part, a lot of times we did. 287 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 4: Tom Crean with us for another couple of minutes on 288 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 4: the Payoff Lakers Hotline. Tom, We'll get you out on 289 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 4: this question. Two part question, how do you see Monday 290 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 4: night playing or I'm sorry, how do you see Saturday 291 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 4: night playing out? And then who he's playing on Monday? 292 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 4: And who's walking out of Indies champions. 293 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 3: You know, I'm really not good with predictions. I'm not, 294 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: and I just don't. I think it's there's too much uncertainty. 295 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: There really is. I would tell you what I. 296 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: Would be looking at in these games, and you really 297 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: can look across the tournament and see this to be true. 298 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: Like the other night when Houston lost to Illinois, they 299 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: shot two free throws the entire night. Now, Houston had 300 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: been in the three fifties, okay, and there's like three 301 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 3: hundred and sixty two fifty three Division one schools in 302 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: free throw rate, which means they weren't used to getting 303 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 3: to the free throw line, right, They didn't get there 304 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 3: a lot based on their offense. Those are the things 305 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: that you look at. Who's getting to the foul line 306 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: all right, where the points off turnovers are like a 307 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 3: great example the other day Duke in Yukon. In the 308 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 3: second half, Duke had eight turnovers to one turnover for Yukon, 309 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 3: and I think the points might have been fourteen to 310 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: zero in the second half. And so like, those things 311 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: are real. Rebound margin, second chance points, those things are real. 312 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: It's not just about how you shoot it, because the 313 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 3: shooting percentages can get skewed by those layups or by 314 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: those runouts and rebounds. If there's ever a time that 315 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: the hustle game matters, it's the higher you go up 316 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 3: the ladder in basketball. And so if people are looking 317 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 3: to see who they think is going to win, you've 318 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 3: got to really really study those points off turnovers, second 319 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 3: chance points. Who gets to the foul line on a 320 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 3: consistent level. Another example Duke the other day, in three 321 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: previous games, they had been eighteen of twenty three on 322 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 3: average from the foul line, where their three opponents had 323 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: been on average five out of eight. It's crazy, right, Well, 324 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: Yukon got a couple more pre throws in the game 325 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 3: than Duke. They end up winning the game by one. 326 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 3: Its just those things are the things that matter. And 327 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 3: I focus on that more than who I think is 328 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: in my mind is going to win. 329 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: Should be two great ones coming up on Saturday night 330 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: and the man breaking it down for us, Tom Crean again. 331 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: You heard him on Westwood One, and his insights have 332 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: been terrific to at the tournament and on these airwaves. Coach, 333 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Best to the family and safe 334 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: travels to Andy. 335 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: Appreciate. Let me ask this, how did I do be 336 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 2: in your eyes? 337 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 4: On those trips that go excellent? You and Scott Graham 338 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 4: were outstanding. I thoroughly enjoyed the listen. It was very, 339 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 4: very enjoyable. 340 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: Plus Sa Rahm is next level. I've been fortunate in 341 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: all these all these. 342 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 3: UH broadcasting positions to work with some incredible play by 343 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 3: play people. 344 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: Scott was awesome. 345 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys are incredible, very well done. 346 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 3: All right, Well, good to hear. Makes my day. Thank you, 347 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 3: Thanks coach, Yeah, thank you. 348 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: That is Tom Crean right there on the pay list 349 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: Lickors hot line. You know, I I would say this 350 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: even if I didn't just hang with Tom Crean. He's 351 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: one of my favorite college basketball analysts. And it's a 352 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: bummer mark that I don't get to hear more of 353 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: his games. It seems to be kind of a big 354 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,239 Speaker 1: twelve focus and I know it doesn't do a lot 355 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: of Timberwolves stuff. Yes, so his schedule probably doesn't allow 356 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: for the Robbie hummel Right type of quantity there. But 357 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: I think he's really good. You know he did I 358 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: you Marquette. I think it was earlier this season, and 359 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: I just I enjoy it. Yeah, a few times he's 360 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: been on the Notre Dame calls, I'm like, yes, I'm 361 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: gonna learn something. 362 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 4: So driving to Florida, I didn't mind the the late 363 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 4: tip times for games and everything like that. And I 364 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 4: also really didn't mind it once I heard Tom Crean 365 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 4: and Scott Graham on the call, because I'm like, I'm 366 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 4: getting good in it and it ELSs Like I said, 367 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 4: they were my eyes and they painted a beautiful picture 368 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 4: because they were getting great breakdowns and analysis every single time.