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Speaker 1: Hammer and Nigel.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe these characters are WEIRDO?

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Speaker 1: Mine name is Nigel. Jason Hammer is out. The gun

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Speaker 1: guy Guy Ralford is in. Well he did it, Governor

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Speaker 1: Brown calling a special session I believe at the beginning

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Speaker 1: of November, November three, for redistricting on the hotline right

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Speaker 1: now to discuss his passion for this topic. So passionate,

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Speaker 1: he didn't even show up to work today, but he's

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Speaker 1: still calling in. Rob Kendall from The Kendall and Casey Show. Rob,

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Speaker 1: I've heard arguments for redistricting. I've heard your passionate arguments

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Speaker 1: against redistricting. Can we just start like a quick reset

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Speaker 1: of what that even means and what's going on here?

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, my passion against this is the

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Speaker 2: Republicans lie and fail all the time, and if you

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Speaker 2: give them these new maps without them having to earn elections,

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Speaker 2: they will just keep governing poorly. It's just like your kid, right,

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Speaker 2: if your kid misbehaves, you have to discipline them. If

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Speaker 2: you just keep giving them stuff, they're going to keep misbehaving.

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Speaker 2: And what the Republicans are saying is, look, we can't

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Speaker 2: win the first congressional district fairly because we govern so poorly,

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Speaker 2: both at a state and federal level that people don't

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Speaker 2: believe in us and don't want to vote for us

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Speaker 2: and put us in power or keep us in power

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Speaker 2: or give us the seat. So what we'll do is

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Speaker 2: we'll just alter the map so we get it anyway.

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Speaker 2: What incentive do the Republicans have to follow through and

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Speaker 2: keep their promises to people if they can just change

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Speaker 2: the rules of the game in the middle of the process.

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Speaker 1: What about the argument? And here is what I keep hearing,

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Speaker 1: fighting fire with fire, fight back the Democrats do the

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Speaker 1: same thing. We need to get down in the dirt here.

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Speaker 1: What about that argument?

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Speaker 2: So my question would be fight back against what? Because

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Speaker 2: we keep hearing Braun and Micah and these people in

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Speaker 2: the general simply talking about Massachusetts, Massachusetts, Massachusetts, I've yet

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Speaker 2: to see a single person who can draw me a

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Speaker 2: quote unquote fair map that shows these Republican seats in Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: The best you can do. I have a friend who's

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Speaker 2: very good at this and believes the Indiana maps are

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Speaker 2: fair seventy two and he's a pretty's former newspaper writer

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Speaker 2: up in northern Indiana. He tried to do this and

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Speaker 2: the best he could create was want one swing district

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Speaker 2: like the best he could do in the under the

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Speaker 2: best of circumstances. See these people flap their gums about unfairness,

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Speaker 2: and for that I saw people put you well. In

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Speaker 2: the northeastern part of the country, Vermont has one representative.

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Speaker 2: Are you saying that person should be a Republican. Rhode

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Speaker 2: Island has two. Are you saying, based on the makeup

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Speaker 2: of their state, that those people should one of those

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Speaker 2: people should be Republican. The argument is ridiculous. All of

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Speaker 2: these states jerry manner. Indiana is already jerry mandered. Our

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Speaker 2: state is sixty forty based on the presidential election Republican.

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Speaker 2: Seventy eight percent of our seats in Congress are a Republican.

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Speaker 2: We've already tilted the map in favor of it. And

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Speaker 2: all this whining about Andre Carson, Oh, Mary Teddy, Dake County, Nigel,

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Speaker 2: they just rig the map. They just they just moved

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Speaker 2: the map in favor more of Carson so that they

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Speaker 2: could save Sparts a couple of years ago. It's utterly

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Speaker 2: ridiculous that they keep whining about this when they're the

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Speaker 2: ones who did it.

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Speaker 1: Here's my question for you, what's wrong with getting two

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Speaker 1: more one or two more Republican seats? I mean you've

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Speaker 1: kind of laid out the argument. I understand that. But

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Speaker 1: you know what, when all of a sudden done, two

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Speaker 1: more Republican seats could be a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's admit what we're doing then, Like whoever

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Speaker 2: is the presidential election that gets all the seats? I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's basically what we're doing in this country. And my

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Speaker 2: question to people would be, what does giving you two

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Speaker 2: more Jefferson Shreeves get you?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: How is your life gonna get any better? Because you

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Speaker 2: know it's going to be that Jennifer Ruth Green woman.

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Speaker 2: The reports are out that she's pondering running like they're not.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have Thomas season there. And so my question

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Speaker 2: is what did the Republicans do this year? They wasted

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Speaker 2: all this time in this big bullcrap bill. It added

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Speaker 2: trillions more to the debt, is legalized vote buying, the

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Speaker 2: crony capitalism, rewarding the donors and lobbyists. Everything's still getting

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Speaker 2: more expensive. What does this exercise produce here where we're

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Speaker 2: giving away all of our integrity? So what we can

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Speaker 2: have two more squish Republicans who screw us some more like,

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Speaker 2: is that really worth all this flight?

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Speaker 1: What do you We're speaking with Rob Kendall from the

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Speaker 1: Kendall and Casey Show kind enough to call us on

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Speaker 1: his day off because he's very passionate about this. This

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Speaker 1: top at Governor Brown calling a special session for redistricting.

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Speaker 1: We'd redrawing the maps, maybe getting one or two more

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Speaker 1: Republican seats. What okay, let's talk about the top of

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Speaker 1: the food chain here in the state legislature. What do

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Speaker 1: you call him? Rod and Todd?

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Speaker 2: Is that or the boy the Flanders Boys planners who

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Speaker 2: for those who don't know, Nigel ned Flanders is the

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Speaker 2: neighbor on the Simpsons and his boys are named and Odd,

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Speaker 2: So Todd Houston spear of the House, Rod Bray Protimus

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Speaker 2: that we call them the Flanders Boys.

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Speaker 1: Do they want any part of this at all?

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Speaker 2: No? And I think this is what's gonna be fascinating

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Speaker 2: because you have seen the legislature post Holcombe try to

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Speaker 2: re establish dominance over the governor. We saw the same

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Speaker 2: thing when Pence came in after Daniels. Now that was

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Speaker 2: David Long and Brian Bosma, And I think look I

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Speaker 2: think they'll ultimately get it done because I just don't.

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Speaker 2: It would be so embarrassing at this point if it failed. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but it's really it's really gonna be up to Rod

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Speaker 2: Bray to decide what sort of dominance he wants to assert,

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Speaker 2: because Houston, this is essentially alluded to. They have the

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Speaker 2: votes in the House. But look, right now, they're at twelve.

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Speaker 2: The mouth that I did is twelve. They got to

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Speaker 2: get to twenty five so that bronze erind boy Micah

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Speaker 2: tie breaking vote. So they got to get to twenty five,

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Speaker 2: and so you're basically thirteen short. And we'll see what

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Speaker 2: sort of dominance Bray wants to exert over over his caucus.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it would not surprise me if he didn't

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Speaker 2: let it go forward. But but I ultimately think it will.

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Speaker 1: And you think this will ultimately pass, and you think

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Speaker 1: the lines will get redrawn, well.

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Speaker 2: I think the pressure for insanity is too great and

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Speaker 2: they're totally afraid of Trump and look.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, that's that's that was my next question. You

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Speaker 1: can't mention any word dominance because it goes above you know,

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Speaker 1: Rod and Todd. It goes to JD. Vance paying two

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Speaker 1: visits to Indiana and this the state House. It goes

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Speaker 1: to Indiana Republicans going to the White House. This I'm

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Speaker 1: interested to know what the tipping point was for this

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Speaker 2: Well, they're petrified of Trump, and Trump clearly threatened them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is pathetic. At this point, they were

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Speaker 2: that kept being ron setting. He's like, well, we don't

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Speaker 2: want to get on the wrong side of the Trump administer, Like,

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Speaker 2: who cares? Now? This is what should This is what

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Speaker 2: should enrage everyone. Is the signature issue in this state

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Speaker 2: for the past year and a half, really two years,

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Speaker 2: has been property taxes. Yes, and they screwed everyone, These

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Speaker 2: people who are so gun ho screwed everyone on property taxes.

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Speaker 2: And then when Braun got asked up, hey, why sht

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Speaker 2: you veto this and call special session and fight for us,

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Speaker 2: he goes, Eh, Now, no point, there's no point. There's

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Speaker 2: no point. He's calling the special session without the votes.

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Speaker 2: Now they may ultimately get the votes, but he's calling

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Speaker 2: this special session without the votes. So they won't lift

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Speaker 2: a finger to help you. They won't lift a finger

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Speaker 2: to fight for you and ensure you can afford to

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Speaker 2: stay in your home. But when it comes to being

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Speaker 2: subservient to Donald Trump, which they all admit this is

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Speaker 2: a holy political act, they will go to the ends

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Speaker 2: of the earth to do that. And that should tell

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Speaker 2: everybody what they actually think about you. These people don't

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Speaker 2: give a damn about you.

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Speaker 1: I will say on a larger scale here, You've always

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Speaker 1: been one to say that Indiana needs a more robust

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Speaker 1: in the citizens' best interests instead of their own.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this maybe the one thing that comes out

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Speaker 2: of this is that look I've seen from a lot

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Speaker 2: The one good thing that may come out of this

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Speaker 2: is it may piss enough people off that the big

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Speaker 2: enchilada next year is getting rid of Diego Morales and

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Speaker 2: Bobai is sort of the customer's last stand for the

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Speaker 2: Democrats if they can't win with that guy and all

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Speaker 2: the money he's going to bring and as bad as

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Speaker 2: candidate as Diego is so the one good thing that

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Speaker 2: may come out of this is that they may motivate

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Speaker 2: enough people to say we're done here. Like it is

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Speaker 2: just so egregious, Nigel that there's all these issues facing

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Speaker 2: our day. People are getting screwed gas taxes, property tax,

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Speaker 2: IDC property taxes, yeah, I mean like all of these things,

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Speaker 2: and they're doing anything to help with that. And Andrew

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Speaker 2: Ireland was on with the with Jim and Casey this

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Speaker 2: morning and she asked him about, like, well, are you

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Speaker 2: going to bring anything up? Probably not. And it's like,

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Speaker 2: so even the people that are supposed to be the

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Speaker 2: great liberty people, they're not going to do anything in

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Speaker 2: this special session. It's always party, it's always them. It's

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Speaker 2: always the benefit of them, it's never the benefit of you.

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Speaker 2: And it amazes me that after getting screwed so many

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Speaker 2: that there's still people who are super excited about this exercise.

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Speaker 1: That's Rob Kendall from The Kendall and Casey Show his

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Speaker 1: take on the announcement earlier this morning from Governor Brown

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Speaker 1: calling a special session going to redraw the district lines

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Speaker 1: redistricting here. At least they're going to vote on it

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Speaker 1: and call a special session. Hey man, I know it's

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Speaker 1: your day off. I know you're doing some important stuff

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Speaker 1: right now. So thank you so much for taking the

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Speaker 1: time out and giving us your perspective.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks, Nuch