1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Well, this is one of those rare cases, Casey, no 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: matter what happens today. 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't lose What do you mean. 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: I can't look something. By the way, it's Kendlly Casey 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Show and Rob. That's Casey emanating from our new studios 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: in downtown Indianapolis. We thank you for all of you 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: who are joining us. Stick with u. Start the course 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: of the day to day, we're going to be figuring 9 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: all sorts of new things out about this place. Things 10 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: not working as fast as they normally will, or in 11 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: a different fashion than they normally will. And it's like 12 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: the you know, have you ever build a new house? Yes, 13 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: or been with it? Okay, so you know, like they 14 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: have the walkthrough and then you find all the things 15 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: that aren't working. Yeah yeah, except we got to do 16 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: it in front of fifty thousand people. So yeah, So 17 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: we walk up all to you with us today we 18 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: are the first live program being broadcast from our new studios. 19 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: But here's the deal, Casey, and this will happen to 20 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: me sometimes in sports betting, where my team that I like, 21 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: whether it's Notre Dame or the Bears or whoever, I 22 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 1: will bet for the team they're playing so you win 23 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: either way, that's right. Either I win money or my 24 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: team wins, and whatever money I lose, I'm willing to 25 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,279 Speaker 1: lose so that my team can win. I can't lose. 26 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: And this is me today with the redistricting vote, because 27 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,279 Speaker 1: no matter what happens, a loser is going to lose. 28 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: So we will all all of us will benefit because 29 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: some loser, be it Mike Braun or Rod Bray, is 30 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: going to lose and I'm fine with that. 31 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: Okay. 32 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 3: So there was a note that was put out by 33 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: Indie reporter and it said, I'm hearing that Republican Indiana 34 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: Senate President pro Tem Rod Bray offered multiple Indiana senator's 35 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 3: deals yesterday to vote no on redistrict day. Nah. 36 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think he had to 37 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: do that. I think the deal was cut with the 38 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: people listening to their constituents. And also like I don't 39 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: think Rod Bray is the because we got to those 40 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: merit a little bit yesterday and on Sale's happenings. Jim Merrit, 41 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: who spent thirty years in the Senate, now he was 42 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: never the pro tem, but he was the number two guy, 43 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: the leader of the caucus so he was very high 44 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: on the food chain. They don't have to cut deals. 45 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: The deal is we're in charge, and that means committee assignments, etc. 46 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: Like they're not handing out bags of cash or even 47 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: making guarantees. The guarantee is if I'm on board with 48 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: the Senate pro tim or the Caucus leader, or whatever 49 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: it might be, that's going to put me in a 50 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: better position going forward for things that I know I'm 51 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: going to want down down the road. And in this case, 52 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: I think you've got a combination of clearly public polling, 53 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: these public town halls, the rallies both sides have had 54 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: based on who has turned out and how most people 55 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: are indifferent to this because it's not going to dramatically 56 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: affect their life one way or another. The people who 57 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: are into it one way or another appear to be 58 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: against it based on the criteria I just laid out, 59 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: And you've got the big boss in the Senate, Rod Bray, 60 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: being against it. If you're a state senator and you 61 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: don't have some deep conviction one way or another to it, 62 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just do what the Senate leadership wants. 63 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: Because Mike Brown has proven, as we found out, with 64 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: property taxes. He'll lie to you, he'll stab you in 65 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: the back. He's not going to save you, he's not 66 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: going to help you, and he doesn't have any Jews. 67 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: The default position would have to be to the Senate 68 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: leadership because he controls your future in the Senate far 69 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: more than the governor does. 70 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: Unless you feel retribution from the President of the United States. Yeah, 71 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: who has threatened the end. He put out online that 72 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: Rod Bray and his friends. 73 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: Won't be in politics for long. 74 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: The problem is, Rod Bray just got reelected. 75 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: Yes, donalds office till twenty twenty eight. 76 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 1: Unless Donald Trump has found some sort of as a 77 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: steal line from Animal House, little known conticle in the 78 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: Indianda Constitution that would allow Rod Bray to be removed 79 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: from office, He's got nothing and these senators know it 80 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: because Trump gets distracted by the newest, bright, shiny object 81 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: in front of him, and he'll move on to Florida 82 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: exactly which is which is which is up next? And 83 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: they know this, and they know with all the contested 84 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: races that are going to be going on, these groups 85 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: aren't going to spend millions of dollars on Senate primaries. 86 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: Even if the guys that are up in twenty six, 87 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: they're not going to spend all that money on Senate 88 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: primaries in Indiana. It's a false threat. They know it, 89 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: and so they're ultimately going to do what's best for 90 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: their political career and their political career if they're indifferent 91 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: to it, or if they're on the fence about it, 92 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: it's far more impacted by how Rod Bray hands up 93 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 1: committee assignments or power structure or whatever. Then whatever Donald 94 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: Trump or Mike bron. 95 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: Has to say, Okay, if this doesn't pass, is Mike 96 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: Braun the governor out of juice? 97 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: He's got three years left on his term. 98 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: Okay, So let's I said, I wanted to play this out. 99 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: Let's let's speculate on both ways this goes down, right, 100 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: and the winner and the loser. So let's start with 101 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: it fails. Which most people, including people like Jacob Stewart 102 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: from The Indie Star, are very connected into the state House. 103 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: I have yet to hear a single member of the 104 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: media or people in the state House tell me I 105 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: think this is passing. I've heard very close, but every 106 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: person is Ultimately I've said, we do you think it's 107 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: going to be? I think it'll be short doesn't mean 108 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: it will be That's what just people are saying right now. 109 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: If it fails and you're the governor and you made 110 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: a complete ass out of yourself and proved yourself to 111 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: be a total spineless coward on property taxes, because that's 112 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: what happened with Braun. He huffed and he puffed, and 113 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: then he had a chance to do to show that 114 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: he had some sort of spine, and he caved and 115 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: did whatever the legislature wanted. So you failed that miserably, 116 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: and then you huffed and you puffed, And in this case, 117 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: he pissed these guys off even more because he got 118 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: personal with Rod Bray said, oh, leadership change and blah 119 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: blah blah, at leaves with the property taxes. He just 120 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: screwed us. He didn't get personal with the General Assembly 121 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: because remember the deal that made the thing that made 122 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: me support Braun. I had this meeting summer last year. 123 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: They called me over to state party and it was 124 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: Braun and it was Josh Kelly's chief of staff and 125 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: Micah was there. And I don't think mike is chief 126 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: of staff was there at the time, or the woman 127 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: who would be his chief step. I think it was 128 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: those three guys, and they were begging for our endorsement 129 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: and our support. And one of things they said is, 130 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: we've got so much money that we're going to spend 131 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: through this political action committee with these guys to get 132 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: them to do the property tax reform. It's not just 133 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: gonna be us. We got this group that's coming in. 134 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: They're gonna spend all this money and blah blah blah, 135 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: and it'll be fine. And that was one of the 136 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: things that sold me was Okay, Bron's super rich. He 137 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: says he wants it. He'd looked like a complete ass 138 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: if it failed. And he says, they're going to spend 139 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: all this money. Remember the day after they started to 140 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: when it was getting gutted in the Senate, they spent 141 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: the money for one day, started running those ads right, 142 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: call so and so in demand that he put property 143 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: taxpayers first. And one day later they're like, oh, well, 144 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: now they're mad at me and they're gonna punish me 145 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: on my healthcare vote. So pull all those ads and 146 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: we never saw another one running. 147 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 3: Again because we have to work with these guys for 148 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: the next four years. 149 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: So with that, he tried that on property tax, and 150 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: then he lost his lost his lost his spine, and 151 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: and and pulled those with the stuff with the redistricting. 152 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: He's been full throated, full force endorsement the entire way 153 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: and chastising and challenging Rod Bray. And so if he 154 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,559 Speaker 1: loses again on a second signature issue in the same year, 155 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: and he has thoroughly at this point pissed off at 156 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: least the leader in the Senate. I don't think Houston's 157 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: a fan of him either. How do you recover from that? 158 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's just it. He's lost his juice then right. 159 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: It's over. He might as well just declare if this 160 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: fails today Braun and his little steoge assistant Micah, because 161 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: Mike has been all in on this one too, they 162 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: might as well just declare, we'll just play out the 163 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: string here. In the case of Micah, however long he's 164 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: allowed to play out the string, and we will just 165 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: the next four we're just marking time and holding a seat. 166 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: Todd rokeeter to run for governor because weird, I mean, right, 167 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: how would you recover from that when not only have 168 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: your two signature issues failed in front of the entire state. 169 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: Trump's going to hate you, and Trump will go ballistic 170 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: on him, him being brawn if this fails, and these 171 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: lawmakers that are going to hate you because they will 172 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: see you as somebody who helped gin a lot of 173 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: this animosity up because of these interviews and the calling 174 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: out and everything else that he did. How is there 175 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: any other logical scenario. 176 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: On this right where he can recover from this? 177 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: It does make me wonder will that put Jim Banks 178 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 3: Senator Jim Banks in a tougher position to start campaigning 179 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: for federal funding. 180 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: Well, look, if Trump wants to come out and say 181 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: Indiana that's been very good to him and is a 182 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: red state and been very reliable to him, if he 183 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: wants to start playing this game of holding money from 184 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: Indiana because they didn't do this one thing, that's a 185 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: fool's errand and that he's going to have a huge 186 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: blowback on that. I don't think that's going to happen. Now. 187 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: That's the one side of it. Now, let's do the 188 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: other side. If somehow they muster together right. 189 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: Conversely, if it passes right. 190 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: And they somehow get what I guess they would need 191 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: twenty six votes, if they don't have the full freight. 192 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: The way I understand it, and by the way somebody 193 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: understands this is different. Let me know, just the multiple 194 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: people that I talk to who work in the state House, 195 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: people who've covered the state House, said that if they 196 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: don't they have to get a majority of fifty. Well, 197 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: majority of fifty is twenty five or it's twenty six 198 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: unless it's twenty five if everybody's there, and then the 199 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: lieutenant governor'd be the tie breaking vote. If you don't 200 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: have a tie breaking vote, and a majority of fifty 201 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: would have to be twenty six, right, you see what 202 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, so, in a weird way, fewer people 203 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: there is worse even if they're no votes for the 204 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: yes side, because they would have to get more. But 205 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: it's a very screwy system, and I'm not sure why 206 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: it's set up that way, if indeeded is the case. 207 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 3: But let's say somehow that there's a possibility they could 208 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: have the plurality but not the majority. 209 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: O put that out last night. He said, if they 210 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: somehow get the most amount of yes votes and it 211 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: doesn't get across the line to prove those people are 212 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: going to go nuts. Like I don't want to be 213 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: anywhere near that State House if that's the way this 214 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: thing goes down this afternoon. Now on the other side 215 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: of this, if indeed it passes Rod Bray, he might 216 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: as well just pack his bags up, because he looks 217 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: like a complete idiot. He was so definitive there aren't 218 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: the votes. He was so adamant that the votes weren't there. 219 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: He clearly didn't want it. He clearly stood in the 220 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: way of it. And then if he loses control of 221 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: his caucus, he has no power, then he might as 222 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: well pack it up because he will have pissed off 223 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: the President and the governor and not have been in 224 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: line not only with his own caucus in the Senate, 225 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: but with the House of Representative of something that they 226 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: were for. He appear that he did not tell the 227 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: truth on this. He's got to be done as being 228 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: the leader in the Senate. 229 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: Isn't this interesting? This entire conversation is about who. 230 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 2: Has the power in Indiana. 231 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: But that's what it's always been about. 232 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 3: And I'm not even talking about redistricting has the power. 233 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: I'm talking about the governor or the proton of the Senate. 234 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: Well, and that's what it's always been about. And this 235 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: dates back to you and I know we're talked about 236 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: this before, but we have new people coming in all 237 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: the time. This dates back to when Mitch Daniels was 238 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:26,359 Speaker 1: governor and the state really rallied around him. The Republicans 239 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: obviously did because the state was rallying around him, and 240 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: the Republicans had kind of been in the political wilderness, 241 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: and not to say they hadn't had some level of power, 242 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: but certainly not what we see today. You'd add, what 243 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: was it twelve years of the Democrats having the governor's 244 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: governorship and the power that comes with that, And so 245 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: the leadership in the House and Senate begrudgingly became completely 246 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: subservient to Daniels because they recognized the public was with him, 247 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: not with them, and in order to acquire the power 248 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: they needed Mitch Daniels. Well, once Mitch Daniels was done 249 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: being governed, because he had done such an effective job 250 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: and really turned the state red from being a purplish state. 251 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: When Pence came in, David Long and Brian Bosma, Bosma's 252 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: Speaker of the House, Long the pro tim of the Senate, 253 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: viewed Pence as an unserious guy who was simply using 254 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: the state as a catalyst to his presidential ambition, and 255 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: they said he didn't know anything about this state. They 256 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: probably used harsher words than this, but he didn't anything 257 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: about the state. He's not serious. We're taking control of 258 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: the state back because of the way our state being 259 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: set up, the legislature is in charge whenever they want 260 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: to be in charge, and we don't need him. And 261 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: they wrestled that power back, which they really held onto 262 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: until COVID when because they were so afraid of it and. 263 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: Didn't know how to deal with it emergency orders. 264 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: They seated it all to Wholcomb saint. If he wants 265 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: the smoke on this, we'll give it to him. And 266 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,599 Speaker 1: now you're seeing these guys Bray Houston, though not on 267 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: this issue, but Bray certainly reasserting that dominance and saying 268 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: we're in charge of this state. And they viewed Braun 269 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: much the way they viewed Pence and serious clown who 270 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: is just using the position of governor for his own ambitions. 271 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: And I come back to this, and I know he's 272 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: gonna hear this, and I want him to hear it. 273 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: The biggest mistake Mike bron made is putting Josh Kelly 274 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: in charge of his administration. Josh Kelly is his chief 275 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: of staff. He is not liked in that building. He 276 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: doesn't know how that building works. And Josh Kelly has 277 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: time and again put Mike Braun in bad positions. And 278 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: whether it's bad advice or not or not stood up 279 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: to him or what, I don't know. But Josh Kelly, 280 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: if this fails today, the first thing Mike Brown should 281 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: do is he should fire Josh Kelly and put a 282 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: new chief of staff in there, because that guy has 283 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: done him dirty on multiple occasions. If this thing goes 284 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: down today. 285 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: It is Kennel and Casey. It's ninety three WYBC. 286 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: All right, So I wanted to read this email, if 287 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: it's all right with you, that I got from this farmer, Yeah, 288 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: because I thought this was interesting. It's Kenall and Casey show. 289 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm Rob. 290 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 3: It's Casey was in response to the USDA providing a 291 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 3: twelve billion dollar aid to farmers. 292 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: We discussed the other day. 293 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Lieutenant governor, who is supposed to be 294 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: mister Conservative, came out and like, oh, this is the 295 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: greatest thing ever. And I said, well, and other people did, 296 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: I mean, what do the kids call is it ratio 297 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: or you post something that all the comments are against you. Yeah, 298 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: so I guess you would say he got ratioed where 299 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: people are saying, wait a second, tariffs are taxes on us, 300 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: the consumer. We're being charged tax so we're getting tax increases. 301 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: You're taking that money, which you told us. Now, I'm 302 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: not saying, Michae Beck, what is doing that. I'm saying, 303 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: this is what he's supporting the federal government. Donald Trump 304 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: is taking that money from us in terms of tax increases. 305 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: You said you were going to use it to pay 306 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: down the debt, and then you change your mind, said 307 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna give it back to us, and then you're 308 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: administration come. I said, no, you're not. We're not getting 309 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: any money back to us. Okay, so are we back 310 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: to paying down the debt. No, Now we're gonna give 311 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: it to farmers because they've been affected by this. So 312 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: you're taking money from poor and middle class people and 313 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: you're giving it to a to group of people. And 314 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: I made the point, and I was very clear. I said, look, 315 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: not every person that's going to be benefrom this is 316 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: a mega farmer. But I said, there are certainly a 317 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: large portion of this country going back to the days 318 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: of Richard Nixon, that much of our quote unquote farming 319 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: is done by my mega corporations. Now they simply put 320 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: farmer in front of them, but they exist not to 321 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: feed a nation, but to make as much profit as 322 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: they possibly can. So money from poor and middle class 323 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: people is going to subsidize mega corporations. And I said, 324 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm shocked that the Lieutenant governor would be in favor 325 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: of taking money from poor and middle class people and 326 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: subsidizing mega corporations. Now also, of course, your family farmer 327 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: will benefit from this as well. And I got a 328 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: very nice email from a local farmer and he touched 329 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: on a little bit of that and he said, look, 330 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: there will be local farmers who will benefit. He said, 331 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: you're right, they'll be mega farmers that'll benefit to any 332 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: went through all that, but then he talked about the 333 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: tariffs in general, and I just wanted to read some 334 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: of this because this is from a Central Indiana farmer. Okay, 335 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: all right, issue is these payments are not what our 336 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: economy needs. While I agree that we as farmers have 337 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: taken a hit with the tariffs, letting market forces work 338 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: is a far better answer. It is very frustrating to 339 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: have market fundamentals be overridden by government action and the 340 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: random tweet. I don't believe that tariffs over a long 341 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: period of time are good for the economy, but need 342 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: to be used occasionally in certain circumstances. In my opinion, 343 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: these payments are going to be inflationary to the farm economy. 344 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: Our suppliers are now well aware that there is going 345 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: to be a large influx of cash to their customers. 346 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: This in the end will cause our inputs and land prices. 347 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: To go up to increase, yeah, exactly. 348 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: And then in the state of Indiana, your land price 349 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: is increasing in the amounts you sell your stuff for, 350 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: increases your property taxes, which makes you make less money, 351 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: which means where people will get out of the farming industry. 352 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 3: So the direct payments to producers of soybeans and corn 353 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 3: and weed and cotton and dairy and hogs, it's all 354 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 3: coming from the federal government. 355 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 2: Now, the USDA is going to purchase surplus fruits. 356 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 3: And nuts and rice and beef and pork and milk, 357 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: and they're going to redistribute that to food banks and 358 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 3: nutrition programs. 359 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: So again we are subsidizing that because this all centers 360 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: around us being charged more for stuff, which comes back 361 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: to the conversation that we have been having and we 362 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: are still having about why Trump is struggling. Look, there 363 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: are some poles that show him at forty one percent, 364 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: there are some polls that show him at thirty seven percent, 365 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: but every polling firm shows him far down from where 366 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: he was when he started the year. And if you 367 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: see these elections that keep taking place, whether it's Miami, 368 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: or it's Virginia, or it's California or New Jersey, the 369 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: people are voting for the Democrats in these sort of 370 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: pickam elections, whatever that is. They're doing that in large 371 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: part because the Trump administration has not delivered on its 372 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: singular issue of importance, the top the tippy top issue 373 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: of importance to most people, which is affordability of living 374 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: in the cost of everything. 375 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: I don't say affordability because that's a Democrat hoax. 376 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So what I wanted to do because 377 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this on my drive in today, which, 378 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: by the way, let me say this, you like to 379 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: drive in better, huge advantage in the news studio, infinitely 380 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: better because I can avoid Ellenois Street, I can avoid 381 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: all that construction can avoid Washington as long as sixty 382 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: five is operating in a time somewhat timely smooth manner, 383 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: I say, like ten minutes getting to work today. 384 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: Congratulations, this is all working out. 385 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: And we had some concern about our parking, but I 386 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: think that's gonna work out great too. So I'm all 387 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: in favor of the new studio now because it's going 388 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: to be as long as you know. There's just a 389 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: couple areas where I could get hung up, but I 390 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be an. 391 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: A plus plus plus plus plus, like Donald Trump does 392 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 3: on the economy. 393 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to because so many people, you know, are 394 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: mad when we're critical of Trump. And I know I 395 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: had that conversation you're talking about the other day at 396 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: the State House where the lady came up, I'm very 397 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: disappointed in you, and I said, well, get in line. 398 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: It's long right, you'll be in there a while. And 399 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: this is the conversation I tried to have with these 400 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: people about Trump not delivering on the and the inflation 401 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: and the affordability, and the Federal Reserve did something yesterday 402 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: that's going to make things worse, and we can touch 403 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: on that and then I want to use this example 404 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: that maybe we'll register with people or hit home with 405 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: people about why because people will say, well, the border 406 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: and the national security, and I just thought I was 407 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: driving in today this example came to my mind about why, yes, 408 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: those things may be better, and they are, but why 409 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: it's not registering with voters and why they're giving Trump 410 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: bad overall approval rating. And maybe this will help people 411 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: kind of understand how important the economy and the affordability 412 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: actually is. It's kind of a Casey. 413 00:19:54,840 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 2: It's ninety three WYBC. That must have been Kevin's choice. 414 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in their laughing. They think it's funny. All 415 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: this stuff is not working properly today, and Kevin's like. 416 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: Let me poke the bear a little more and play 417 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: some Beatles song. 418 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll put I Am the Walrus on. That'll make 419 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: Rob very happy because we don't know how he loves 420 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: the Beatles. That microbote is still not working. By the way, 421 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: it's Kelly case. 422 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: Kevin's trying to talk back. 423 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: And Radio Karma caught up with you. It's Kelly Casey, 424 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: John Rob. That's Casey emanating from our new studio here 425 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: in beautiful downtown Indianapolis. Yes, there clearly is an affordability 426 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: issue in this country. No matter what the President says, 427 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: everything is simply unaffordable for many regular people. And the 428 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: Federal Reserve yesterday said would you like a little gasoline 429 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: on that fire? 430 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 3: Wait? 431 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: Let us not help. 432 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 433 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 3: So it was a huge rebuke of Donald Trump when 434 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 3: you had the chair of the Federal Reserve, Jerome Powell, 435 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: saying that it is the tariffs that are now raising 436 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 3: prices for Americans. 437 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: But then he said, hold my beer, let me raise 438 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: them further. Mm hmm. 439 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: So here he is, Kevin, let's test it out. Can 440 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: you play him? 441 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: We knew I told you that was gonna happen. Did 442 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: I not tell you? Casey had the Okay, I'm going 443 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: to do it here I. Casey was like, Rob, you've 444 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: been so calm all day. I said, if he presses 445 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: that play button and that doesn't play, two and a 446 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: half hours worth of good behaviors going out the window. 447 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: Ah, he's got it, ar, he said, he's ready for 448 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 3: all right. Here is the Chairman of the Federal Reserve. 449 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 4: Very little data on inflation have been released since our 450 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 4: meeting in October. Total PCE prices rose two point eight 451 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 4: percent over the twelve months ending in September and excluding 452 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 4: the volatile food and energy categories. Core PCE prices also 453 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 4: rose two point eight percent. These readings are higher than 454 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 4: earlier in the year as inflation for goods has picked up, 455 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 4: reflecting the effects of tariffs. 456 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: There it is okay, so fine, right, not fine, but 457 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: I mean okay, But then now you've just made this 458 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: worse because they're lowering interest rates. Again. What planet are 459 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: we living on? Where we are now basically in cahoots 460 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: with the president's horrible public policies to mask because that's 461 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: what the interest rates cuts are. That's why they did 462 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: it during COVID. They wanted you to believe they could 463 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: shut society down and that you wouldn't feel any pain 464 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: of shutting society down. So for like a year, people 465 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: are like, well, this is great. I get to stay 466 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: at home and work from home and I can just 467 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: watch Netflix all day and look the checks keep showing 468 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: up and everything's wonderful. And then what happened, Oh. 469 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 3: The inflation, right, it became very expensive exactly, And so 470 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 3: they're doing this again because Pale's concerned about his job, 471 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 3: because Trump is screaming like a lunatic. 472 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: Then he's gonna fire him. He's gonna this, he's gonna 473 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: prosecute him, he's gonna whatever. 474 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: I'm asking Trump who they're going to replace him with. 475 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: And they always give into this guy and the like, Yeah, 476 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: tariffs are tax increases. Tarifs are going to raise the 477 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: price of everything, just like that farmer talked about in 478 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: that email we read last segment. Tariffs work if they're 479 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: targeted for specific things or countries, which is why if 480 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: he had targeted the tariffs at Canada and Mexico, which 481 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: he did at the very beginning, people said, Okay, we 482 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: have a serious issue with the fentanyl coming into this country. 483 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: Trump has a large scale approach to stopping that to 484 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: save our kids from dying, including blowing these boats up 485 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: and the tariffs on Canada and Mexico until they get 486 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: their act together to shut this stuff down for coming 487 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: in our country. We'll pay a little more for some 488 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: of those things in order for us to have a 489 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: safe society for our kids where they're getting poisoned to 490 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: death with dangerous drugs. People would have been okay with that, 491 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: but he just tariffs everyone and there's no rhyme or 492 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: reason for any of it, and it has caused the 493 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: price of everything to further explode beyond where it's already been. 494 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 2: So you've got a new poll. This one was published 495 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: in Politico. 496 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: It said nearly half of Americans struggle to a FOURD 497 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 3: essentials like groceries, utilities, healthcare, housing, and transportation. Twenty seven 498 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 3: percent of people skipped a medical checkup in the last 499 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 3: two years due to the cost, and twenty three percent 500 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 3: skipped a prescription dose that they're supposed to take. And 501 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 3: it's all because of the financial strain. 502 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: Well, how many people got an iPhone? How many people 503 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: are rolling around with very streaming packages or whatever. I 504 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: always see that. You hear they go, oh, man, it's 505 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: so bad out there. Look, it is bad out there, 506 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: and things are very expensive. But the average person with 507 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: any sort of financial literacy whatsoever, can find ways to 508 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: cut expenses that they can buy a prescription drug or 509 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: go see the doctor for a routine physical, because most 510 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: health insurance plans cover a routine physical. In fact, they 511 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: encourage you to go get those done. 512 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 2: So you think this is all exaggeration, Well, I. 513 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: Think to some extent its people can't manage their money. 514 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: But I do think everything's more expensive. So I was 515 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: thinking about, like, how do you break this down, because 516 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: clearly the polling is you're laying out there again, and 517 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: you know. 518 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: What, it's pretty split between Maggot supporters. 519 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 3: By the way, twenty seven percent say tariffs are beneficial 520 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 3: now in long term, twenty one percent say they're harmful. 521 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: Right, But the overall, whether it t it's tariffs or whatever, 522 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: the overall polling on Trump, I think it's safe to say, 523 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: has trended downward. We have seen from the time he 524 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: entered office, the polling on Donald Trump has trended downward. 525 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yeah? 526 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 3: And actually, let me pull it up here really quick. 527 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 3: There was another one that said Iowa and Ohio, his 528 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 3: approval rating has turned negative. 529 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: Okay, and the reason for this is the cost of everything. 530 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: And I find this interesting because the response from people 531 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: to that who love Trump is, well, but what about 532 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: the border? What about national security? Isn't he doing a 533 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: good job with that? To that, I say, yes, he 534 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: absolutely is doing a better job. You essentially have a 535 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: Biden presidency with a better border. But here's the example 536 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: that I can think of that maybe we'll resonate with 537 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: people on why despite the fact that those things are better, 538 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: he's not doing better in the polling. If you hire 539 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: some handyman to renovate three rooms in your house, whatever 540 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: the thing might be, and you say, hey, it's a 541 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: three room project, and it's this room here, and it's 542 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: this room here, and then last, but most importantly, is 543 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: this room over here. And I'm going to pay you 544 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,239 Speaker 1: for this service. And your job is to fix all 545 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: three of these rooms and these two other rooms like 546 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: they're part of the house, like we want them to 547 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: look nice. But above all else, this room right here 548 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: is the primo, most important room. And how we judge 549 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: your work is going to be what you do with 550 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,719 Speaker 1: this room on top of doing these things we already 551 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: expect you to do. And so the guy does the 552 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: first room. Let's just call the first room national security, 553 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: and he does a good job with it. He says, okay, hey, 554 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: that room looks really good. Great job. And then he 555 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: does the second room, and we'll call that room our border. 556 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: And you go, hey, man, excellent, excellent job. We're paying 557 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: for this. You're doing a great job. And then you 558 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: look at the third room. Are we gonna call that 559 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: economy the economy? Yeah, And affordability. And not only has 560 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: the guy not done anything with the room, he's thrown 561 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: all of the dry the drywall and everything else he 562 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: did with the other rooms, that room is now worse. 563 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: Are you gonna be like, hey, that's awesome, man, you 564 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: did such a good job with those rooms. Just forget 565 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: the fact that I told you this is by far 566 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: the most important room, and this is whatever is going 567 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: to judge the whole house on. Are you gonna be like, dude, 568 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: you didn't do the thing that we told you to do. 569 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: You didn't follow through on the thing that we told 570 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: you was the most important thing above all else. 571 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 3: Well what if he says, yeah, but you know what 572 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 3: we told you, it's gonna get worse before it. 573 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: But he did say that at any point of those rallies. 574 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: Was he like, hey, vote for me. It's gonna take 575 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: me three years to fix the thing. Anybody, anyone, It's 576 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: the same thing, Braun tried. Remember, well, we didn't tell 577 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: you it'd be overnight to take a while. 578 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 2: Taxes, Well, where. 579 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: Was that on the campaign trail or the meetings we 580 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: had together. Trump set the expectation that if you elect me, 581 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: I will fix this, and we are a year into 582 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: his presidency, and not only is it not fixed, it's 583 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: getting worse. 584 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 3: Do you have to look at a city like Miami 585 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 3: as what could be coming in the future. Miami elected 586 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 3: their first Democrat mayor in thirty years. 587 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: Well, I think it shows an enthusiasm gap, and you're 588 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: going to have that because the border and the National 589 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: security are the guest rooms. They're nice, they're part of 590 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: the house. You want them to look nice. You want 591 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: the kitchen done you but you told the guy the 592 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: kitchen is the thing, right, This is what I'm bringing 593 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: you in here to fix above all else. I paid 594 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: you to fix it, and it's not any better. That's 595 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: why people are upset. The other stuff is nice. Nobody's 596 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: disputing it's better, but it is not the thing by 597 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: which the presidency in this case, or the construction job, 598 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: if we're using the metaphor, is being judged and he's 599 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: not succeeding on that. 600 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: You're listening to Kendel and Casey. It is ninety three WYBC. 601 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: We're winning. We're winning. We're winning. 602 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 2: I don't know how it happened, but we are. 603 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 3: The WYBC virtual kettles for Radiothon for the Salvation Army. 604 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,239 Speaker 3: The Kendall and Casey Virtual kettles has the most in 605 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 3: it right now, and I love that people can write 606 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 3: comments on here. Somebody donated one hundred dollars and anonymously 607 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 3: and their note was Nigel sucks sincerely. 608 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, just call me Bill. He's right. Yeah, No, that's right. 609 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: So WIBC dot com. The Radiothon is tomorrow raies money 610 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: from the Salvation Army. It's one of the biggest events 611 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: we do every year. Casey. No, I'll be out at 612 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: Sullivan's from nine to noon and the shows compete against 613 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: each other. Look, you guys that listen to us every 614 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: day are amazing, and we are every year. There's no 615 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: rhyme or reason for why it should be this way 616 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: because traditionally in all radio, especially all of radio, right, 617 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,239 Speaker 1: there's more people listening in the drives, right, people are 618 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: coming to and. 619 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: From work morning, you drive an afternoon drive, and yet 620 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 2: this show. 621 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: Look, Casey, you saw the ratings yesterday. I mean they're 622 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: just like there are program directors in this country who 623 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: had given a limb for what we do in the 624 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: middays on any stage, much less a talk station spoken word. 625 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: And you guys always far exceed every expectation imaginable from 626 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: nine to noon each day. And so one of the 627 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: things we compete with the after the after Hammer and Nigel, 628 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: we compete with them and say we're going to try 629 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: to win the competition who can raise the most money, 630 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: And miraculously a couple of years ago we did it. 631 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: Now last pressures on last year they finally beat us 632 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: at the very end because they just bad mouthed me 633 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: for an hour and said give money to spite Rob Kendall, 634 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: and that put them over the top. But right now 635 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: at WIBC dot com you can give and we're winning. 636 00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: We are winning. 637 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: And there's another that said Rob, after hearing Nigel and 638 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 3: Hammer advertise on air, just had. 639 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 2: To give your show a boost. 640 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: Thank you. 641 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 3: Listen to all the shows on ninety three point one 642 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 3: as I can. You all are great. Keep doing what 643 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 3: you do. WIBC is all I listen to. I like 644 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 3: helping the Salvation Army. Just refer to me as RC. 645 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: Thanks. 646 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: Now, I believe right here giving online isn't there a match. 647 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: There's a match with this right what they give, This 648 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: is why it's big to give online. Right now we 649 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: get the money matched by it by various sponsors. 650 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 3: Galaxy Concrete Coding is matching the kendalln Casey. 651 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: Fort wonderful sponsor of this show. We love Galaxy Concrete 652 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: Coding and they are of course obviously your friends as well, 653 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: and so they're give my garage floor. 654 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: It's amazing. 655 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so WBC dot com. So I wanted to read 656 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,959 Speaker 1: this real quick because it comes from a post from 657 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: a friend of our show, and I think it sort 658 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: of sums up what's going on today at the State House, 659 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: because a big day for everybody, Right, it's our first 660 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: day here in the new studios, and there's no going 661 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: back from whatever happens later today at the State House. 662 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: Like either way yes or no onun redistricting, government is 663 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: forever going to change. I think our state is going 664 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: to forever change. 665 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 3: It's a new era for WIBC, a new hour for 666 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 3: the politician because of State House. 667 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Because itt this goes down, Braun's done, It's over 668 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: for him. He might as well just pack it up 669 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: and just say I'm just going to sit in this 670 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: chair in Room two oh six for the next three 671 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: years and not do anything. And if it succeeds, Rod 672 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: Bray might as well pack it up the pro tim 673 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: and leader of the Senate because he will look like 674 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: a complete idiot, and it failed miserably. But Chris Spangle, 675 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: who we have on our show every so often, you 676 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: know he's worked for various media institutions throughout the years. 677 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: He was the executive director for Libertarian Party. We had 678 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: him on a week or so ago because he was 679 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: talking about because he's a great historian of Indiana, and 680 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: he was talking about how Todd Roketa now the Attorney 681 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: General and is all in on rigging these maps that 682 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: fifteen years ago when he was Secretary of State, he 683 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: introduced this concept to take politics out of redistricting and 684 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: drew maps through our are presented maps. They weren't adopted, 685 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: but presented them through artificial intelligence or what became artificial 686 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: intelligence that took the politics out of redistricting, and they 687 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: look very similar to the maps we have today. And 688 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: he posted this on social media. I thought it really 689 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 1: sums up what's going on later today. If you're following 690 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: politics for the first time, you have to understand that 691 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: many people fall in love with the power that government brings. 692 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: It becomes their version of my precious At its core, 693 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: government is coercive, and people are required to obey. Monopolized 694 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: violence is easier than persuasion for anyone who make wants 695 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: to make cultural or political change or simply enrich themselves. 696 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: That kind of power erodes character until some people cannot 697 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,239 Speaker 1: stand it anymore and they never touch it again. And 698 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: that is spot on. You want to know why participation 699 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: in our politics is so low because of what we 700 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: experience during our property tax rally, in the events of 701 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: the spring, in which people had never been involved before. 702 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 2: Took a flyer, days off of work. 703 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: Showed up to the state House right because there was 704 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: a dude in Braun who said, I want this, Yeah, 705 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: I want you guys, that's right, and what do you do? 706 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,479 Speaker 1: He bailed and abandoned everybody, and people said, okay, never again. 707 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: You reinforced, mister governor, everything that I have known or 708 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: believed about politics, which is you all are rotten, you 709 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: all are cowards. Many of you are crooked, and this 710 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: is a rigged game, and why would I even participate 711 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: in it? And you're seeing this again unfold at the 712 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: state House, where this thing that the public doesn't want, 713 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: poll after poll shows it. Public events show it that 714 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: the public doesn't want that. They can't tell you what 715 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: the actual benefit to you is because there isn't one. 716 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: But the governor who wouldn't fight for you on property 717 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: taxes is going to the ends of the earth to 718 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: try to jam this thing through, not for you, but 719 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: because he's afraid of Donald Trump, a person who doesn't 720 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: live or pay taxes in our state doesn't really care 721 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: about Indiana. And that post he made last night where 722 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 1: he just went berserko for page after page after page. 723 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: None of it talks about us, None of it talks 724 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: about how it benefits the people of Indiana. It's all 725 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: about him and what people are seeing and what we're 726 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: gonna find out later today when the constituents have told 727 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: these senators we are overwhelmingly against this because we don't 728 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: see any benefit to us. Are you willing to do 729 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: what is right, which is reject this proposal, or are 730 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: you so afraid of one guy that you're willing to 731 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: screw everybody else? And how people, how our lawmakers vote 732 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: today is really going to set the tone for if 733 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: more people are willing to engage and be a part 734 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: of the process. Because people have engaged and been a 735 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: part of this process on both sides, but overwhelmingly those 736 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: who have engaged have been against been against the propose. 737 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 3: Well, if by chance it does pass, you have to 738 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 3: realize that the threatening and the fear that's the new 739 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 3: game plan. 740 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: Then yeah, and by the way, I won know how 741 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: cool our ownership is, how cool. They'll probably make a 742 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: ton of money if this thing passes because of all 743 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: the elections, and not once have they been like, hey, 744 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: don't come out against this, don't talk about this, speak 745 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: your conscience. Day one in the books, Casey, we did it. 746 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 3: Congratulations, Thank you Rob, thank you Kevin, and thank you 747 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 3: for listening today. This has been Kendall and Casey on 748 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 3: ninety three WIBC, and we will see you tomorrow at 749 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 3: Sullivan's for radiothon