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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five The Fan.

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Speaker 2: No matter what happens, you've kind of left everything out

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Speaker 3: Second, we're gonna go away. Yeah, gorm be raising back.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, how a drop ever? Big guy? Good

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Speaker 2: Great? Right? And that's will Power after he won at

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Speaker 2: Portland Portland and the twenty eighteen cool Down Left, which

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Speaker 2: Power The first part courtesy of the Andretti IndyCar social

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Speaker 2: media accounts. Hello, welcome, thanks for joining us. Tracksie ninety

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Speaker 2: three to five and one oh seven five The Fan.

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Speaker 2: Some things are confirmed, many questions remain, including the last

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Speaker 2: five seats and maybe more and who will be driving

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Speaker 2: them the schedules. Some things are reported and likely, some

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Speaker 2: Coon's with You on a Monday Night edition Before I

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Speaker 2: make note of that. Next week we'll have some racing

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Speaker 2: the weekend after next But here tonight, Kurt, we have

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Speaker 2: I'm good to be with you again. It's it feels

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Speaker 2: a seat that will Power has now taken. So will

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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, sure, it's certainly a pay raise. I just

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Speaker 2: of other thoughts. I noticed that Dan Towers mentioned the

432
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Speaker 2: twenty six blank Honda, so it's not necessarily the game

433
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: Bridge Honda, and there was no mention of game Bridge

434
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: in there, and that makes sense because that's Dan's company.

435
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: I think in a perfect world you'd like to find

436
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: outside money because the program is Gamebridge in group one

437
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: thousand and one and TWG and everything else. So you know,

438
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: I think there would be some hope from the sales

439
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: staff that, hey, we've got the biggest story going into

440
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, let's find some new revenue to bring

441
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 2: into the team. And we saw a lot of new partners.

442
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 2: Sam's Club at the end of the season was on

443
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: Kyle Kirkwood's car. That's quite a big company. That is

444
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: something where there is potential available there. My friends of

445
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 2: Browning Chapman and Westfield. We're on Marcus Erickson's car for

446
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 2: the last couple of weekends, and we saw what was

447
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: the one we saw there were a couple of other

448
00:25:54,840 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 2: big ones TG it was it Fridays, what was there

449
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: was one on Kirkwood's car, big restaurant chain, Early Chili's,

450
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: Early in the year, Phillies, thank you, thank you, Yes,

451
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: Early and in the year. So that's one to watch

452
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: from the commercial standpoint. I'm going to circle back to

453
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Speaker 2: her to here in a minute, so I think, Oh,

454
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: the other thing that came out Jennifryer noticed this of

455
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: the Associated press. If there were to be any testing

456
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: done before the calendar turns, will Power cannot do it.

457
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 2: He is being held to his contract through the end

458
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: of the year, which is there, right, You know, that's

459
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 2: probably one of those in hindsight, and will never had

460
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Speaker 2: a manager. You're not worried about that, you're not thinking

461
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: about that. I'm going to stay with them forever. And

462
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 2: it's only these kind of situations where that comes into play,

463
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: where you'd really like the contract and September first, so

464
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 2: you could simply move on and get started. Does that

465
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Speaker 2: mean he's not allowed to go in the build and

466
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: do things I do not know, but won't get in

467
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: a car in reality, unless there's an Indy five hundred tests,

468
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: which I don't know if there is at this point,

469
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: probably not a big deal or not a deal at all.

470
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Speaker 1: Potentially mean if there's not a fall test, yes, I

471
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: don't have it on authority, have not seen the testing schedule,

472
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: there will be not a test. There'll be a TST,

473
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: there'll be a test. There always lists in the fall, always,

474
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: not always.

475
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: Usually it's about ten drivers, like last year I think

476
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: it was ten drivers. Now they might like to use

477
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: their new driver, so some impact but not crushing and

478
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: what I don't remember because the testing rules are very complicated.

479
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if you did something in December, does

480
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: that count towards twenty twenty six? You know, That's why

481
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 2: most of them there's really like two three days that

482
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: are available to hurt it. Now. I think I shared

483
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: most of what I thought on this, and I can

484
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: see it.

485
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: You know.

486
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are offended that you

487
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: would leave IndyCar to go run in a junior series,

488
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: but F two is not that far of a drop down,

489
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: and if you want to be an F one. This

490
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: is a much better path to give yourself a fighting chance.

491
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 2: And as much as we hate the rules of what

492
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: is required for a super license, again credit to F

493
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: one for protecting their ladder system and making sure the

494
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: wealthy dads are paying and the investors are paying to

495
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: run in F three and F two rather than coming

496
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Speaker 2: over and doing something else.

497
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Speaker 1: So you've got to follow the rules well. And I

498
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,479
Speaker 1: think it's you know, you alluded to it. I think

499
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: it's smart. It wasn't you know. The tower as plan

500
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: necessarily wouldn't be their preference. Maybe they would prefer to

501
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: do something else. But having an established group of drivers

502
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six kind of get the team on

503
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,239
Speaker 1: the on the road is a good thing. It's just

504
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: a good thing. It would Colden would be set up

505
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: to fail. Honestly, if he went and ran next year

506
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: with that team, it wouldn't go well. I mean, it

507
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: could go better, I mean than we expect, but it's

508
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: not going to go as well as this will go.

509
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: When he learns the he has more time with the team,

510
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: he has more time in the car, he has more

511
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: under when there's no pressure, he has more time, more time,

512
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: more time.

513
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: It's just that's that's good.

514
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 1: I get the frustration if there is some in the

515
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: fan base, but this is not This is a good

516
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: move for Colton, and he's still young. He can come

517
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: back and he could run five years, he could run

518
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: two years, he could run ten. Still come back and

519
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: run in the car if he wants to.

520
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: It's a bold move. It is risky move because his

521
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: reputation would be damaged if he finishes, unfortunately, anywhere outside

522
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: the top four, which I think top five in F

523
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: two is going to be a very very good year

524
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: after not running F three, not coming back for a

525
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: second year. I think he's going to have to have

526
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Speaker 2: good days to finish in the top ten. And from

527
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: what little I know, I know just enough to be

528
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: dangerous about what's going on over there. There's a lot

529
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: more random in that than there is in anything else.

530
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: There are big fields. There seem to be mechanical failures.

531
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of crashing because you have a lot

532
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: of kids knowing that finishing fifth doesn't get it done.

533
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: You know, they want to get to F one. They

534
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: have to win. They can't just finish fourth or fifth

535
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: in that championship. They have to be top two or

536
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: three in that championship. Now, even as I say that,

537
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: though I saw this in a Chris Medlin Racer story

538
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: today of a couple of guys that are doing pretty

539
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: well in F one. Gabrielle Bortoleto did win the championship

540
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: last year and he has been very impressive this year.

541
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: Kimmy Antonelli has been on the podium, he is the

542
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: pick for Mercedes, and Oliver Bearman has done some nice

543
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: things at time, but neither were all that awesome in

544
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: F two. Bearman finished twelfth in the championship last year

545
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: and he's an F one driver now did win three races,

546
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: but that's what I kind of talk about, the randomness,

547
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: so you know, probably some top results matter a little bit,

548
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: and he doesn't list where he finished. But Antonelli faded

549
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: from contention last year as well, despite being with the

550
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: usually strong Prema team, So it's a bit of a risk,

551
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: but he will be better for it, and there's no guarantee,

552
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: by the way, that he gets the seat in twenty

553
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: twenty seven. If these two guys do well and not

554
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: well enough to get plucked away somewhere else, it might

555
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 2: be two years, or it might be second year. As

556
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: a reserve driver.

557
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: The one thing that is different though for Colton is

558
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: he's not auditioning for a team.

559
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: He's with a team. Well he does.

560
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to go out and prove something. Yeah,

561
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: obviously that he wants. He wants to show the support.

562
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: He wants to support to be validated, so he doesn't

563
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: want to just be an also ran in that series.

564
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: He wants to show that he's worthy. But having said

565
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: all that, he's not under the pressure to impress Mercedes

566
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: or any other team to sign him up. He's got

567
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: a path, that's the thing. He's got a path. He

568
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: just needs to validate his talent in that part of

569
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: the world. And he doesn't have to do it in

570
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: one year. If it happens to two years, he still

571
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: has as a path. And if he doesn't, if the

572
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: path evaporates for whatever reason, as we've seen some other

573
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: drivers path evaporate Alex Blow going to Formula one, then

574
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: he's got a He's got a path back. And I

575
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: don't think his reputation may get a little dusty from

576
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: those that don't really matter, but I think those that matter, Yeah,

577
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: those that matter will know.

578
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: I think the people that know will understand This is

579
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: not a given. You're not just going to go over

580
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: and dust these people, and it will depend on the

581
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: team you're with and circumstances in each race. I'm kind

582
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: of excited to pay a little bit of attention to

583
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: it too. No, I don't know when we'll have time,

584
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: but I do like the idea of Cadillac F one

585
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: and eventually having an American driver.

586
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to an F two race, which I've

587
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: not watched a whole lot of in my I've seen

588
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: a few, but not much.

589
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: What else is not known. We'll get to some of

590
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: your tweets which will cover some of that and much

591
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: more on the xbox at Kevin Lee twenty three at

592
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: kirk Cavin. It's trackside ninety three to five one oh

593
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: seven five the fan. Hi, this is will Power and

594
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: you're listening to trackside. Okay, let's sneak into some Twitter

595
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: questions via x at Kevin Lee twenty three at kirk Cavin.

596
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: Now ees F one? Can Renas VK jump to Team

597
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: Penske instead of Malucas? No, I don't think so. Do

598
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 2: you think so? I mean really no? Because answers there

599
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: had to have been something in writing or agreed to

600
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: that was causing them to not bring back will Power. However,

601
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: when with a week left in the season they come

602
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: back and say we've got something for you, does leave

603
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: you pause? Does it not? That maybe there was a

604
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: clause or a performance part of the contract that was

605
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 2: not going to be reached and Team Penske now has

606
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: the option to leave him with aj Foyd Racing for

607
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: another year. So could they bring VK there? I'm going

608
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: to say chances are slim to none because they've gone

609
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: down this path. But I do think VK is a

610
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 2: part of that family. That's one of the uncertain things.

611
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: I don't know this with certainty. I did talk to

612
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: Renus for quite a while Sunday night. Did not ask him.

613
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: We talked about a lot of other things. I was

614
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: not trying to gather information, just chatting, but I could

615
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: tell he was pretty content about what his future was

616
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: going to be. And he said, Okay, I'll look forward

617
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: to hearing what you have to announce. And I know

618
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: other people have written that they expect him to be

619
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: I think Marshall Proud wrote this, others have to It's

620
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: just common sense, That's what I'm using. It's common sense

621
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: that he's going to replace Malucas at Foight, but I

622
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: do not know that, and you never know, You just

623
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: never know.

624
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the performance clause was always in place

625
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: with Malucas because if the year didn't go well, if

626
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: they came to this agreement with David last fall and said, hey,

627
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: you finished in the top ten of the standings, win

628
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: a race something like that, probably, you know, win a

629
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: race would would secure it. But you know, if not,

630
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: we still hold the possibility that we would.

631
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 2: Go one more year with Foight.

632
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: I think he signed for the future, and you know,

633
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: as my friend Kevin Lee often says, contracts are an option,

634
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: they are suggestions. But I think I think there was

635
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: a performance clause in there, and that's why they came

636
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: back with something for Will. I like that Will, you know,

637
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: had made up his mind he was going to do

638
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: something else at all. He'll be he'll be motivated.

639
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: We know that. Charlie max c five says, what about

640
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: will Power now having Colton's former pit staff that hasn't

641
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: always gone well but still love his move to ANDRETTI. Well,

642
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: I think Will said in that conversation, and Dan Towers

643
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: also said, we recognize the weaknesses of the team and

644
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: we're making changes, so that just the way it is

645
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: every year, there are always going to be some changes made. Well,

646
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see. You know, there's a couple

647
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: of people at Team Penske that have been pretty close

648
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: to Will. We'll see what.

649
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to throw them into the conversation unnecessarily.

650
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: I thought the same thing, and I don't think that

651
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 2: would need to replace anyone. Every big team that has

652
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: budget would like to add sure, and no one's heard

653
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: from Ron Razuski. I'll be surprised if Tim Sindric is

654
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: coming back to work at this point. I will never

655
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 2: rule it out, because Tim is still a young man

656
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: and has many years left where he can physically work

657
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: and probably is going to want to be challenged at

658
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 2: some point, but it has to have been a grind

659
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: and he's only had five months off. I would be

660
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: really surprised if Tim Sindric wants to go all back

661
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: in at this point. Maybe another year if he wants to,

662
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: there will be some options. And I honestly don't know

663
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: what Ron Razuski wants to do at this point either,

664
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: whether he's content, but he seems like a young enough

665
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: guy too. To still want to share the knowledge and

666
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: resources that he has, and I would think every single

667
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: team is going to create a spot and add Ron

668
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: Rezuski on if he is allowed to work and if

669
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: he wants to work. What about engineers, Well, Ron is

670
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: an engineer, what about others? Ron is an engineer and

671
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: a technical director. I just said it's silly season for everybody.

672
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: It's silly season for everybody. And I think when Aero

673
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: McLaren Hyld hired Kyle Moyer, I think that was sent

674
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: the best signal possible that anything is possible here and

675
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: everyone is in play. Let's see from Muhammad Our, Rena's

676
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: VK supporter, one of them, Rena says a lot of supporters.

677
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: He says two things. Rena's talked about his future in

678
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 2: Dutch media. He talked around it, but with a huge

679
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: smile and will soon soon show why. Yeah, it's kind

680
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: of what we talked about. I didn't he didn't tell

681
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: me what was happening, but felt pretty good too. Mohammad says,

682
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: where is Roger? He was always at WEC races. Some

683
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: Mimsen IndyCar have seen him barely in the USA. By

684
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: the way, the Porschapinski team won at CODA yesterday. Old

685
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 2: Muhammad also said, let's talk sport cars. Two hot takes,

686
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: agree or disagree One Weck isn't driving at CODA for

687
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: much longer, barely any people there. I would love to

688
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: see them at Seabring or Indy too. It's a bit

689
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: strange at for Brilin or WEC first, as they're an

690
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: American team, should drive first in IMSA. So just like

691
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: F two, I know just enough to be dangerous when

692
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: it comes to international sports car racing. You and it's

693
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: all confusion. That's sportscar racing. I've gotten a little bit

694
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: of a handle on it, but there's a lot going on.

695
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: My guess there is that the twenty four Hours of

696
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: LAMA is the biggest sports car race, so you want

697
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: to get that squared away, and you must be a

698
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: part of WEC to be involved in that, and then

699
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: you can always add on IMSA after that. I think

700
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: and hope we'll see Ford as a part of MSA

701
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: as well. But I understand why these programs usually start

702
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: with the World Endurance Championship and may have other programs.

703
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: In the United States, they have a NASCAR program kind

704
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 2: of covers their marketing through motorsports here. I haven't watched

705
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: the Code of Race yet. From the weekend there's football

706
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: and then I watched the NASCAR race this morning and

707
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: it's also pouring rain, so I don't know if there

708
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: was anybody there or not. The Seabring event was much better,

709
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: but I don't know if that helps MSUCK because I

710
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: know this year without the World Endurance Championship cars there,

711
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: there was a lot more room for other stuff at Seabring,

712
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: and honestly it was a little easier to navigate because

713
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: of the footprint that WEK brings. So you get We've

714
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: talked before. Y IndyCar isn't really wanted by IMSN. That's

715
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: not their business model. They need to have Super Trafeo there,

716
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: they wont to have MX five Cup there. They want

717
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: to have Portia Carrera Cup and everything that they can,

718
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure if WEK helps as much with that.

719
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: And here's the bottom line. In America. While I love

720
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 2: sports cars as many people do, and standalone events in

721
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: America and I would not I would say coming to

722
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: Indianapolis would not be a great idea either. If drawing

723
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: an audience is what you want this is not it.

724
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: You need a team with IMSA or maybe a standalone

725
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: at Seabring, but I doubt it. You need to be

726
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: with IMSA an event like the Twelve Hours of Seabring.

727
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: Roger's been in IndyCar races. He's eighty eight. We just

728
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: don't see him. He's not pounding the pavement like I do.

729
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: He's there, I honestly don't see him very much. I

730
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: see him more at EMSA races because he's up on

731
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: the war wagon, but he's not on the pit box

732
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: for IndyCar So's. He's in the office trailer and people

733
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: that he wants to speak with and want to speak

734
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: with him go to him.

735
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: One of these questions was, you know, obviously directed at

736
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: about Rena's VK. I was just wondering if anybody, and

737
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: there's probably a short list of three that are in

738
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: competition with this question, who helped themselves more in twenty

739
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: twenty five than Rena's VK. And it's a really short

740
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: list that would be in that category. I think, you know,

741
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: certainly Christian Lungard helped himself in twenty twenty six, although

742
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: he was already secure in his future in twenty five.

743
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: It helped himself in twenty five, but he was already

744
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: secure for twenty six. Rasmussen helped himself and then Sting Snunsting, Ray,

745
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: Kiffn Simpson, Giffen Simpson, Yeah.

746
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: Who also was very secure but has turned some heads,

747
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: yes he has.

748
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Rena good Renas Vck really helped himself. He

749
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: may have helped himself more because those other ones that

750
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned, they all had deals.

751
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: You know, this is the guy who Renus resurrected his

752
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: career two weeks before the season. He did not have

753
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: a seat, and honestly, he took a seat that it

754
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 2: went horribly for everyone who got in those cars almost

755
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: all the time in twenty twenty three, and he helped

756
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: lift the program. Yep, others helped, but he helped lift

757
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 2: that program and would get something like Nashville. That car

758
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: was not quick and he finished thirteenth. He got something

759
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: out of it and did that more often than not

760
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: this season. All right, we'll preview hour number two and

761
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: plenty more to come. Trackside ninety three to five, one

762
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: oh seven to five. The fan, Hi, this is Colton Hurda,

763
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: and you're listening to Trackside on ninety three five and

764
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: one oh seven five the Fan coming up the next hour.

765
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: There was a new event announced for twenty twenty six

766
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: Also since we last spoke, we had a pretty good

767
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 2: hint of it, but we've got a lot more details

768
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 2: and we have some dates for the twenty twenty sixth schedule.

769
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: We also have some question marks on that front as well.

770
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: There's some Indie Next news to share and plenty more.

771
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: We've never talked about the video game in part because

772
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: neither one of us know much about video games. We'll

773
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: see what we can come up on that front, but

774
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: that is big news from the last couple of weeks,

775
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: and plenty more are all coming up. Track Side ninety

776
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: three to five, one oh seven to five the Fan.

777
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: Hi is Kyle Kirkwood and you're listening to track side

778
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: our number two of the Big Show. Thanks for staying

779
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: with us, Lynn and Coons is in the Indianapolis Studios

780
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: downtown Kurt Cavin, Kevin Lee on a Monday night. Back

781
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: on Tuesday next week and for the following three weeks

782
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 2: as we move forward with the off season with a

783
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: lot to still be determined. For your racing fix this

784
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: coming weekend, you've got NASCAR at Bristol Saturday night for

785
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: the Cup race on USA, and then in a couple

786
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: of weeks we'll have ims of back going at the

787
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: Indianapolis Motor Speedway. We'll talk more about that next week.

788
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 2: Before we get into some of the other stories, I'll

789
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: go through some Twitter questions which I think will lead

790
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: us to some of the other stories, Like from Nathan

791
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: Ganie three, So does this somehow mean a break in

792
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: the schedule for the World Cup? And it is a

793
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: graphic of one of the things we need to talk

794
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: about of the Ontario Honda dealers Indie Markham August fourteenth

795
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: through sixteenth. So we had that in the show last

796
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: week that the news release was sent out that Green

797
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: Savagy Promotions and others had an announcement coming up last

798
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: week in Markham, Ontario, Canada, and that pretty much gave

799
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: it away, but we didn't know all the details. I

800
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: believe it's been said it is a five year commitment.

801
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: So here's what's newsy about this. I believe it was

802
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: officially announced as a multi year agreement, but I think

803
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 2: in reporting I read that it's five years. I wish

804
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 2: I could credit who had that, but I don't think

805
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: that's a big secret in what it comes down to.

806
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: Because we first thought, okay, they need a place to

807
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: run the Toronto area race next year. Exhibition Place is

808
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: not available, not even not in July because of the

809
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: World Cup and in August there are other activities. I

810
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: forget which thing it is, but my Canadian friends say that, yeah,

811
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: that's a no go. You're not getting that space in

812
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 2: August because of something that has been there for many,

813
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: many years. So where else can they go? And to

814
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: do this, there's going to be an expense and that's

815
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: too expensive to do it for one year. So this

816
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 2: is the long term home of the IndyCar Race in

817
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: Greater Toronto.

818
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: You know, not to discredit or disparage in any way

819
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: the Exhibition Place footprint, because you know, when it was

820
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: designed originally it was it was perfect. It was where

821
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: Toronto felt Toronto. We talked about that years ago, we

822
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: talked about how you pronounce it, but you know, it

823
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: really worked for the city and it worked for Exhibition Place.

824
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: As I've watched this thing up since I guess I

825
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: was first there in the early nineties, the whole infrastructure

826
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: has changed. The hotel, the convention center is different. There's

827
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: a lot of positives, but there's also some things that

828
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: aren't as convenient as they once were. They're not as

829
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: user friendly, I guess is the phrase.

830
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 2: And so.

831
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: Don't initially write this office as a negative. Maybe this

832
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: is the best thing that could have happened for IndyCar

833
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: racing in Ontario. So we'll see how this goes.

834
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 2: My comments are not knowing anything about the new venue,

835
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: and I will miss the old venue. I miss will

836
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: miss the walk through downtown to our hotel and the

837
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: restaurants since it's a long walk. But I liked that location,

838
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: but the footprint was shrinking and it is getting more

839
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: and more difficult. And every year you had to wait

840
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 2: for city officials to agree on the next year, and

841
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: it was a series of one year contracts. So and

842
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: every year we kept having people ask us is that

843
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: race going to continue? And I like the idea of

844
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 2: being a bigger deal in a smaller area. And this

845
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 2: is not that small. This is as you said last week,

846
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: this is like Carmel or Beach Grove or something far

847
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: bigger than Avon and Brownsburg. This is three hundred and

848
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: some thousand people and it's twenty minutes from Toronto. So

849
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: if you live in downtown Toronto, you can easily take

850
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: the train or some other public transportation or just drive

851
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: out to this area, and it's in a location that

852
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:03,479
Speaker 2: might allow some other opportunities. The other one is each year,

853
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: fewer and fewer people seem to know what we were

854
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: doing there and that there was anything going on. So

855
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 2: maybe you know, it's not like you need three hundred

856
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: thousand people. The entire town does not need to come.

857
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: We just need twenty or thirty thousand, which would be

858
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: an upgrade from the attendance that has been there on

859
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: a per day basis. I'm sure there's more than that

860
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 2: over the three days, So I think this can be

861
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: a real positive and maybe it's easier to do the

862
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: thing than in the footprint that they're in still street race,

863
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 2: you know, you're still kind of going through some areas,

864
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: so I don't know enough about it, if you're closing

865
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: down streets, if that's going to be a problem or not.

866
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: But I'm optimistic, And the main thing is I'm just

867
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: happy they're able to stay in Canada, because that would

868
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: be a huge shame if there was not a race

869
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 2: in Canada. I'd like it to be two races. In

870
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: Canada and more specifically, they're still in market.

871
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: You know, they're still in a place where people are

872
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: familiar with it. It's not a it's not an introduction.

873
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: I mean we went to Edmonton. Uh, you kind of

874
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: are introducing the sport. You know, you pick another city

875
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: and you know, go to Quebec City, go to you know,

876
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: there are some other places. Not to disparage again, but

877
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: staying in the Toronto market is a good thing, I

878
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: think for this event. And you know, from a we'll

879
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: just have to see how the racing goes. I mean,

880
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to miss that rundown to Turn three, that

881
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: run into Turn one with the with the Princess gate there,

882
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: and you know, just there's so many things to like

883
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: about the Exhibition Street circuit, but things are a little

884
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: bit out of our hands as a sport, and in

885
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: this case, it may give you the juice that that

886
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: this event has lacked.

887
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 2: So we'll see. Now to the question that Nathan had,

888
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: does this somehow mean a break in the schedule for

889
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: the World Cup, I don't know. I honestly do not know.

890
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: There are some things I think I know that I

891
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: am not going to share. So here's how my sourcing

892
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: works if I just learn it like a reporter does,

893
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: from a team owner, a driver, someone in the paddock.

894
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: I feel like that's kind of fair game to at

895
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: least talk about a little bit. But if someone I

896
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 2: work for tells me something, then that's just simply because

897
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: of what my job is, right me too, Me to

898
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 2: this is yeah, But this is one of those where

899
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: I have not asked and have not been told. I

900
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: still have some questions about the schedule, so I do

901
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: not know if, for example, what happened when NBC had

902
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 2: the Olympics, if we're trying to take two or three

903
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 2: weeks off. If you do want to run during the

904
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 2: World Cup, you are going to be at the mercy

905
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: of time slots. So and if you want to stay

906
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: one hundred percent on network television, now, maybe there's a

907
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 2: provision that says, actually, no, this next year, there is

908
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: a three o'clock spot on FS one right after a

909
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: World Cup game that we think is going to have

910
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: a three million or four million audience. So this would

911
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: be an opportune time. If both parties agree to this,

912
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 2: you know, I'd be all for that. I am all

913
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: for not worrying about whether it's one hundred percent network.

914
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: If you are guaranteed a good lead in the lead

915
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: in and the competition is what matters most. So guaranteed

916
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: a good lead in and not going head to head

917
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: with Formula one or Cup, then fine, put us on

918
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: FS one. Because NBCSN drew well over a million people

919
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,479
Speaker 2: quite a few times because of lead in and lack

920
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: of competition, I have to think we're going to get

921
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 2: at least a week off somewhere in there. But this

922
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 2: may be more so that they don't want to contend

923
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: with the World Cup in their own market, although I

924
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: think it's going to be over by that July seventeenth date.

925
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: I know this, other people have written this, so I

926
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: feel like I can say it. There is going to

927
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: be an opportunity when the World Cup comes to a

928
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: conclusion to have a race that runs right after that.

929
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: And I think the last time around the World Cup

930
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 2: finale drew like sixteen eighteen million people. So that's kind

931
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 2: of a dream scenario, and that might be that weekend.

932
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: I think that's about when that ends around that Toronto weekend.

933
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: And you may have just wanted to look for what

934
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 2: do you think is going to be your best event.

935
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: It's going to be a race that people find really

936
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 2: entertaining and might be able to hold a new audience.

937
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 2: Because if you have a World Cup match, the final

938
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: which didn't include America and still drew, was it Brazil

939
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: and Argentina the last time around? I think so? I

940
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 2: think s Argentine, I know, is in. I may be

941
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: wrong about Brazil. You know, you've got a chance to

942
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: have an Indy five hundred type audience. I think it's

943
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 2: probably not realistic to say that you're going to hold

944
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 2: seven million of those eighteen million, but it can be

945
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 2: like when Fox would put some events on after an

946
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: NFL game at four fifteen and the rating starts at

947
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 2: fifteen million, and it trickles down to three hundred thousand,

948
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: but your average is three million. Just keep that's the

949
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: opportunity that's there.

950
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: Just keep in mind following a live sporting event does

951
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: not guarantee you a heart out.

952
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 2: Which is one of the concessions that you're going to

953
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: need to make. If those kinds of things matter, If

954
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 2: starting your event when you think it's going to start,

955
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 2: then you should start your own channel, and you know,

956
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: never being preempted, never being delayed, having as long a

957
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: pre race and post race as you want. Then you should,

958
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: you know, try to start your own streaming channel and

959
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: do it that way and not worry about bringing eyeballs

960
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: in for the sponsors.

961
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: No, I just bring that up, because yeah, we all

962
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: want to cheer for a good lead in. You just

963
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: got to be flexible and you've got to understand that

964
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: you may get pushed to you know, the Fox Sports

965
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: app or FS two or FS one for a period

966
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: of time before your starting event can begin, or you've

967
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: got to hold the start time just a little bit.

968
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: That's all. I'm just trying to manage expectations. And maybe

969
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 2: that's one where I don't know how often soccer games

970
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 2: run long, or if they're a little more easy to

971
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: predict and some other sports, but if it is very fluid,

972
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: maybe that's one where you just say we're going to simulcast.

973
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 2: It's it's going to be on FS one with our

974
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 2: pre race, and we're going to join when we can join,

975
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: understanding that it might come around just a little bit later.

976
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 2: Lynn Drive for Seven says we just finished the eighteenth season.

977
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 2: Since the merger of the two series, CGR has won

978
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: twelve championships, while Penske has won five Andretti won. That's

979
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: a wild amount of championships at CGR one. Are they

980
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 2: the best team of this generation? By the way he

981
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: points out five hundred Pinski six cg R five, Well,

982
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: statistically sure seems that way. Yeah.

983
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

984
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: I wrote something going into one of the last couple

985
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: of races and went through a lot of the details

986
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: of that, and it really statistically and I don't even

987
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: know if it's statistically. I think you could honestly just

988
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: say the facts speak for themselves. This organization, in the

989
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: last thirty years has won seventeen Indy Car Series championships.

990
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: You can't make an argument otherwise. They haven't done it

991
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: with just one driver. You know, it hasn't just been

992
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: Scott Dixon won you know, seventeen to the last thirty championships,

993
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: and so therefore that makes the organization, you know, the

994
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: whole is Alex Pollo, and it's Scott Dixon and Stario

995
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: Frankiti and it's you know, it's Alex Zenarti and you know,

996
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: and just it's Montoya, and you know, it's a lot

997
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: of people contributing to that, to that big number.

998
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 2: The only other metric you could try to compare with

999
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: because the championships, it's not a debate if you said,

1000
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: take the top three drivers or maybe just count them

1001
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: all up. How many wins do they have? And I

1002
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 2: don't know what it is. I'm going to guess it's

1003
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: still Gonnassi, but it might be a little bit closer

1004
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 2: in that front to show, all right, is it just

1005
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 2: because you've had, you know, two of the all time

1006
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: greats and Frank Keaty and Dixon, and now you've added

1007
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 2: who might end up being the greatest ever in polo?

1008
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: And how often did you have two and three that

1009
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: were winning like Penske at times has had three drivers

1010
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: win races in the same season. And you're probably still

1011
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 2: going to come up with Ganassi, but that would be

1012
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: another way to compare it. So while you're taking that up,

1013
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: I'll bring it to the next question. I'm not sure I.

1014
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: Can come up with it in the next few minutes

1015
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: because it's a big number on both accounts, but but

1016
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: I would almost I'm gonna. I'm gonna just my gut

1017
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: tells me it's Penske has more race wins during that

1018
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: time they have have over that time, run more cars,

1019
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: you know, I think you know more, you know like

1020
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: they've had years when they had three guys winning races.

1021
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: To your point, so.

1022
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 2: I would say Ganassi at times had like a two

1023
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: and two type of situation where the other two were

1024
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: not really winning a lot of races. Will power one

1025
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: forty two races on his own right in this time span,

1026
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: and nobody else has come close to that. So that's

1027
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: another way to look at it. Why it's probably not

1028
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: oh yeah, they're crushing everyone. It's still gonna ask you

1029
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 2: because championships are matter, but race wins matter in any

1030
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: five hundreds matter, and Penske in this little era is

1031
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 2: plus one on that front. But man, is it a

1032
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: great rivalry? Yeah, it really is. Lynn also says Penske's

1033
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: last three legends were treated the same way as Power,

1034
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: starting with JPM, Cashernevez and Simon. Do you think CGR

1035
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 2: would treat Dixon like this? And this is not to deflect,

1036
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: but it will depend on At some point the employer

1037
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 2: says your services are no longer needed, and if you

1038
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: decide I'd like to service someone, then then a hard

1039
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 2: decision has to be made. What everyone hopes in this

1040
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 2: circumstance is that everyone agrees, and that's kind of what

1041
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 2: will was alluding to here is that I think he

1042
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 2: felt like they were just hoping he would retire or

1043
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 2: be willing to accept ndy five hundred only deals. And

1044
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: that's a difficult decision too, because you want to stay

1045
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 2: in the good graces of Team Penske and maybe have

1046
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: a type of relationship like Rick Meters has had longer

1047
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 2: than he actually drove by Team Penske times what three

1048
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 2: you know at this point in his life. But I'll

1049
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 2: share this. I was standing there when they announced Peyton

1050
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 2: Manning retiring as a cult because he had just signed

1051
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 2: a new contract extension and I was probably working for

1052
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 2: the team, so I couldn't really ask this. And what

1053
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 2: I wanted to say is what makes us think that

1054
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 2: this guarantees you retiring as a cult? He's retiring as

1055
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 2: a cult if he decides he's done when they decide

1056
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 2: he's done. And ultimately, about two years later, they decided

1057
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: he was done, and he decided he wasn't done. And

1058
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: how weird will it be seeing Willpower in an Andretta

1059
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: uniform any more weird than Peyton Manning in a Bronco

1060
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 2: uniform or Tom Brady in a Buccaneers uniform. Are really

1061
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 2: mays with the Mets or name on and on and

1062
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:28,919
Speaker 2: on of superstars that wanted to keep playing and their

1063
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 2: team said, I'm sorry, you're not what you were and

1064
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 2: we have to think about the bottom line. And a

1065
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 2: lot of us don't understand this power thing, but there

1066
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 2: are always more things involved that we don't understand. So

1067
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: to the answer that question is, you know, I think

1068
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: the plan is Dixon will drive for Ganassi as long

1069
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 2: as he wants to drive for Ganassi, because we think

1070
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 2: Dixon will say I'm done when he's no longer to

1071
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 2: perform like Dixon. But what if he gets to be

1072
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: like Jimmy Johnson and says, you know what I like

1073
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 2: driving race cars and I don't care if I finished seventeenth, Well,

1074
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: then the team might have to make a decision. So

1075
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 2: there are no guarantees on any of this.

1076
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so at the moment, Scott Dixon's desires and Chip

1077
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: Ganassi's desires aligne. But that doesn't mean the team Penske

1078
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: was wrong to do this. It just seems it just

1079
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: seems odd to us because we watched the twenty twenty

1080
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 1: four season and Will was clearly on his game. I mean,

1081
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: he had a legitimate reason in twenty twenty three for

1082
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: not winning a race his wife nearly died if that

1083
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: was not in play, And then you look back at

1084
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: it and you say, well, you know, Will didn't him

1085
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,919
Speaker 1: perform in twenty twenty three. In twenty four he was, Yeah,

1086
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: he was in the championship hunt and he had pretty

1087
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: good year. But we've kind of decided that, I mean,

1088
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, we motivated him, and you can come up

1089
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: with all kinds of things, but this time the goals

1090
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: of the team and the driver didn't align. And that's okay,

1091
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: I mean it is.

1092
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 2: My guess is Will is most disappointed that there wasn't

1093
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: more openness in this and he went through winning a

1094
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: race with not knowing if there was going to be

1095
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 2: anything offered. And that's probably the most frustrating part of this.

1096
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:42,919
Speaker 2: And he alluded to in his conversation with the Hinch

1097
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 2: and Rossie podcast that he had other offers, never entertained them,

1098
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 2: never talked money, never really negotiated with Team Penske. It

1099
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 2: was do you think this is fair? Okay? And which,

1100
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 2: by the way, is smart because you're in the best

1101
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 2: seat available. No one ever leaves Team Penske. Is this

1102
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: the first driver that has left Team Penske with an

1103
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 2: offer to stay.

1104
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's certainly we don't know all the backstories from

1105
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: twenty five thirty years ago, but I would say it is.

1106
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: But you know, it goes to the idea and was

1107
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: I kind of phrased it wrong, But it really comes

1108
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: down to respect, and I think that's what Will is saying.

1109
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: What I was saying was he kind of wanted to,

1110
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, a farewell tour if you will, And I

1111
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: don't really mean a parade and pat on the back

1112
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: every week, and you know, a rocking chair and all

1113
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: the things that come with a farewell tour, but he.

1114
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 2: Wanted to go out when they were aligned. It's a

1115
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 2: good question because I've not heard him ask that, So

1116
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 2: the next time we see him, that's something to ask.

1117
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 2: If it was going to end, would you want it

1118
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: to be known that it was going to end? And

1119
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 2: here's the problem with that from Team Penske's perspective, I

1120
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: don't think they knew that it was going to end.

1121
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 2: They wanted to have some options. What if this doesn't

1122
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 2: work out with the planned air apparent? What if there

1123
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 2: are clauses that need to be met and we want

1124
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 2: to see how it goes. I think Will even said this.

1125
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 2: They want to see how I go and they want

1126
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 2: to see he said. I assume it's Malucas, but I

1127
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 2: don't know. They want to see how he performs, so

1128
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 2: that I think to buy a little bit more time.

1129
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: The history of this sport is and certainly of teams

1130
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: of high caliber, is that they pretty well have made

1131
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: that decision by June. They're not waiting till September first

1132
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: to make that decision.

1133
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 2: And I know, but this time apparently they did.

1134
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying, you know, we usually know October

1135
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: or August first, what's happening with everybody. I mean, we

1136
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: may not know right then, but they all know. And

1137
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: I guess my point is he felt like he wasn't

1138
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: respected and he was left because he didn't like the

1139
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: idea of being of dangling in the wind, not sure

1140
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. He thought, he think it's he

1141
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: thought his his worth as an Elite Championship winning Indy.

1142
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 2: Five hundred winning driver deserve more than that. I still

1143
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 2: think there is a possibility that this worked out the

1144
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 2: way Roger Penske and Team Penske wanted it to work.

1145
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 2: Out that this offer that that's why Roger told him

1146
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 2: at Detroit, I'm not sure what we have, so feel

1147
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 2: free to shop around. Because he wanted Willpower to have

1148
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 2: an opportunity to continue if he wanted to. And that's

1149
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 2: also in his best interests as the owner of the series,

1150
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 2: for the sport to have Willpower. And by the time

1151
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 2: we got to Portland, that's really about the time that

1152
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 2: the F two rumors started coming around. But who knows.

1153
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 2: I did not know about it. Then I found out

1154
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 2: the next weekend that hurted the F two was a thing.

1155
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 2: But at that point it may be Yeah, I'm not

1156
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,759
Speaker 2: sure if will has anything. Can we create a space

1157
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 2: for him? Can we do something? And it's very possible

1158
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 2: that they that this worked out for the best, that

1159
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 2: we were going to create a space because we want

1160
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 2: Willpower to be able to go out saying this is

1161
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 2: his last year and if he's got nothing, we are

1162
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 2: going to offer you a lifeline. Oh you say, everyone's interested. Fantastic,

1163
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 2: This has worked out for everyone.

1164
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:51,480
Speaker 1: It just again, that's the way if what you're describing

1165
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: is accurate, that's that was how Team Penske had it

1166
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: to align. It wasn't aligned with what will wanted.

1167
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, that would have been probably nice to share. Hey,

1168
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 2: see what you can get. If you don't have anything,

1169
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 2: come back to us, we could maybe work something y

1170
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 2: out fairpoint. Ultimately, this came down to the way we

1171
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 2: thought it would before the season, because as we discussed it,

1172
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 2: we said, well, surely they're going to offer him one year.

1173
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,839
Speaker 2: This is going to come down to whether will Power

1174
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 2: is willing to accept one year the only team he's

1175
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 2: really ever known, or willing to go somewhere else. What

1176
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 2: else is out there? And at that time, just like

1177
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 2: three weeks ago, we didn't see where there was a

1178
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 2: path for him at something that's better than a team

1179
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 2: Penske Ride or as good namely Andretti McLaren Ganassi bo

1180
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 2: we dimly something did become available, So I went back

1181
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 2: to that I'm not taking your one If this was

1182
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 2: not an option for him, then he would have probably

1183
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: had to bite his tongue and say, thank you very much.

1184
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 2: I am happy to come back and accept your one

1185
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 2: year offer, but if you wanted to drive.

1186
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: But none of us thought that he didn't have a

1187
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: one year option in place back in May. We just

1188
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 1: thought at least I did, and and he was surprised

1189
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: as well. He said, if he said it the other day,

1190
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: that if I'd have had a one year option in May,

1191
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: I would have taken it. But he didn't have that option,

1192
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: and that that's just surprising. And I'm trying to think,

1193
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 1: by the way you think of superstars in different colors,

1194
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: what about castron Neva's in a pink car. I mean,

1195
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: that's as surprising as as Will and Andretti. But you know,

1196
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: just and then that's why I think the other reason

1197
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: we all celebrated Elio winning a fourth Indy five hundred

1198
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: with another team. You know, he just said, no, I

1199
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: still got it, and he went out and proved it.

1200
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: And I hope Will shows that not to show up

1201
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: Team Penske. That's I want that for Will. I want

1202
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: Will to show that he still got it and he

1203
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: deserved that he was right and betting on himself for

1204
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: the future. But I can't think of a you know,

1205
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: a more I'll probably think of six as soon as

1206
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: I say this, but I can't think of a more

1207
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: surprising thing that's happened in the last few years, five, six,

1208
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: seven years. You know, it certainly all happens at some point.

1209
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,799
Speaker 1: There's some big story. But a driver and a team,

1210
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: well I got one. What's that When Montoya came back

1211
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: to Team Penske in IndyCar in twenty fifteen, that one

1212
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: was kind of out of left field. It was from

1213
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: what was so he had NASCAR.

1214
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 2: F one, then he was a NASCAR then he came

1215
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 2: back to IndyCar with Team Penske and they created a

1216
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 2: seat for him in that circumstance. But you're right, and

1217
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:54,719
Speaker 2: that's been ten years. Yeah, so they're just this will resonate.

1218
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 2: I mean we're in about the fifth segment since this

1219
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 2: happened in our show. Well we're still talking about it

1220
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 2: and shaking our heads and we are just still trying

1221
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 2: to put the pieces together to have it make sense

1222
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 2: in our brain. I'll say it one more time. I

1223
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 2: hope we and fans don't take it out on Malucas. Yeah,

1224
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 2: I agree, because he's going to if what we think

1225
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 2: is happening is going to happen. You know, he went

1226
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 2: from dream job with McLaren too my career is over,

1227
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 2: to resurrected with Meyer Shank, to even a bigger dream

1228
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 2: job to drive with Team Penske. There's going to be

1229
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on that, and David is a

1230
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 2: really nice young man and a really talented young man,

1231
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 2: but not a finished product. So that's the one where

1232
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:55,919
Speaker 2: we say, all right, you know, the talent evaluators always

1233
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: are seeing things, just like Mike Hall and Chip Ganassi

1234
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 2: saw with Alex Polo, and they've seen with other people,

1235
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,839
Speaker 2: and Roger Penske saw with Rick Mears in nineteen seventy

1236
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 2: seven and on and on and on. What they saw

1237
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 2: was Scott McLaughlin and how he could drive an Indy car.

1238
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 2: I trust that they see more than we do, and

1239
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 2: you put them in a proper Penske program. Don't rule

1240
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 2: out David Malucas winning two races next year.

1241
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: No, But but while power at ANDRETTI will be at

1242
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: least at this moment, the most fascinating story. The other

1243
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: one that's going to be tremendously interesting is to watch

1244
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 1: how Malucas is in a competitive but yet team friendly

1245
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: environment where he's got to compete with Joseph Newgarten and

1246
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: Scott McLaughlin. That is going to be a fascinating story too,

1247
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 1: because he's not had that, He's not had a moment

1248
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: where he's got two big dogs sitting right there and

1249
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: he's got to match what they're doing, do what they're doing,

1250
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 1: take guidance from what they're doing. This it's going to

1251
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: be a pressure cooker situation for David and to experience that.

1252
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 2: At McLaren he never drove a race for.

1253
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,759
Speaker 1: Him, So it'll be a fascinating watch.

1254
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 2: Alex Kane seventeen seventy six says heard a rumor in

1255
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 2: Nashville that a young lady involved with Alex Pollo was

1256
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 2: seen carrying and consuming Red Bull all weekend. Just because

1257
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 2: you drake Red Bull doesn't mean you're going to a team.

1258
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 2: But as I said before, I still suspect there was

1259
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 2: something there. What I don't know. I know I got

1260
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 2: started on our side because we just think, well, surely

1261
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:42,839
Speaker 2: they're interested in the greatest driver having the greatest season

1262
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: we've ever seen. Surely they want some of that. But

1263
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 2: where did it come from? On that side? And as

1264
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 2: Nathan Brown, who wrote the story, he was the one

1265
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 2: that kind of said to publicly Alex Palow said, I

1266
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 2: hear it came from a manager of a driver that

1267
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 2: wants my seat. And what I would say is of

1268
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 2: the sources that I had, none of them were of

1269
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 2: drivers trying to get that seat. None of them were

1270
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 2: Oriel Servia Hill Powers manager, and Nathan responded publicly and

1271
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: said that wasn't where I got it. So I don't

1272
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 2: know where Nathan got it from. The Red Bull say

1273
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 2: that's the key. And I don't have great Formula one sources,

1274
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 2: but I have some friends have spent a lot of

1275
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 2: time in the Formula one paddock and they were not

1276
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,679
Speaker 2: aware of it either. Buxton didn't know about it. Hinch

1277
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 2: wasn't aware of it. He had heard of it, I

1278
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 2: think more so over here in our paddock. But there

1279
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 2: must have been something when it might have been shut down.

1280
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Speaker 2: A lot of times we hear about these things after

1281
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 2: they're already dead. Right, absolutely, Yeah, it was discussed three

1282
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 2: months ago and it's now it's dead.

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01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: You and I me more than you, but you're you've

1284
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: been in this situation. I'm gonna I'm gonna stand with

1285
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: Nathan on this. I don't know his source. I have

1286
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 1: spoke to him. His stress in the amid the situation

1287
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: led to a phone call and we chatted about it.

1288
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't wasn't a big deal. Just journalist to old journalists.

1289
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: But you've been in this situation, and I have many

1290
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: many times. You don't put yourself out there with a

1291
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: story like that without really firm belief.

1292
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 2: That you have something.

1293
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: But as you just noted, there are times that the

1294
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: story by that point is dead and you're just catching

1295
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: up to it. But and so everybody who reacted after

1296
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:48,759
Speaker 1: that could be in you know, denial for and deny

1297
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: the story appropriately. But the gumption that it takes to

1298
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: put out a story when you don't have six people

1299
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: telling you it's obvious is wrins print.

1300
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 2: Not on a radio show, not on Twitter. It's different.

1301
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 2: It just takes monumental gumption to do that. I've done it.

1302
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:11,719
Speaker 2: I didn't like it.

1303
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 1: It's one of the things I enjoy about my job

1304
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: now that that I don't have to do that. It's

1305
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: it is exhilarating. And I'm just saying he didn't put

1306
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: that out there with because a wife carrying around a

1307
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:25,959
Speaker 1: red bull can.

1308
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,600
Speaker 2: Or another driver manager said, I'm telling you, this is

1309
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 2: not going to happen. He didn't do that. He didn't

1310
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 2: do that. I trust that as well. That's why I

1311
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:41,839
Speaker 2: like to read things from journalists that have to answer

1312
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 2: from someone they do for I like to just throw

1313
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 2: things out there. But that's not the same thing. That's

1314
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 2: why I don't put I don't write things on Twitter,

1315
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 2: because I'm going to write it on Twitter, then I

1316
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 2: need to get extra sourcing and be sure that it's true.

1317
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 2: And you know, to the it could be dead by

1318
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 2: the time we hear about it. I don't know how

1319
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 2: many times I've seen that with things that apply to

1320
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 2: my world, where I do know what's going on and

1321
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 2: I read something and so, yeah, that had a chance

1322
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 2: of happening three weeks ago, but that's been dead since then.

1323
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 2: That's just not going to happen. So anyway, all right,

1324
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 2: we've still got more questions we need to get into.

1325
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 2: We will do that in just a moment and start

1326
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 2: to cover on some of the other things we need

1327
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 2: to cover tonight on the program, it is track side

1328
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 2: ninety three to five and one oh seven to five

1329
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,839
Speaker 2: the Fan. Hi, this is Mark Serkson, and you're listening

1330
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 2: to trackside on ninety three five and one oh seven

1331
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 2: five to fan. All Right, we're trying to make more

1332
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 2: of an effort to answer the questions that come in

1333
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 2: via the xbox via Twitter and cover as many of

1334
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,600
Speaker 2: the topics that we otherwise would have covered in the

1335
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 2: course of the program, Roger Warner at JD Farmboy says,

1336
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 2: why are they running alternate tires on an oval? Did

1337
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 2: that contribute to the right front failures? He wrote this

1338
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 2: after the Nashville race. So, by the way, as far

1339
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 2: as I know, there was only one failure with Poto Award.

1340
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 2: I think they found that was a cut tire on

1341
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 2: alex plow. This is the same thing that they did

1342
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 2: last year at Nashville and made a lot of sense

1343
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 2: to give this a go. I like it.

1344
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: More variables, the better, you know, you gotta you gotta,

1345
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: you gotta run a certain number of laps, you gotta

1346
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: run a certain number of uh, you know, reds and

1347
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: so forth. I like it. It's variables. It adds a

1348
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 1: little extra intrigue. Let's do it more often.

1349
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 2: I don't think it had any do it. No, I

1350
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 2: don't think it that that in fact could probably look

1351
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 2: but I think Potto might have been on the black

1352
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 2: side wall at the time. I can't recall on that,

1353
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 2: but there were concerns about right fronts overheating because of

1354
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 2: the tremendous loads being put on at the speeds that

1355
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 2: you're at in that particular track. You know, I think

1356
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 2: the idea came from last year is because after they

1357
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 2: tested last year, all the drivers said there's no way

1358
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 2: anyone's ever going to pass anyone, So you're trying to

1359
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,560
Speaker 2: do something to spice it up and create different strategies.

1360
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 2: Turns out the racing has been good at Nashville Super Speedway,

1361
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 2: so I hope they continue on that. Obviously, you know,

1362
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 2: you listen to Potto. It's really hard. It's really hard

1363
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 2: to come up with the right compound and structure and

1364
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 2: everything as far as tires, but they had one and

1365
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 2: they'll try to make sure that they're zero moving forward.

1366
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 2: Scott Cooper asked if Prima does end up leaving the series,

1367
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 2: who might be in line to pick up their charters. Well,

1368
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 2: they don't have charters, so that's part of the issue

1369
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 2: and part of the challenge if they are indeed trying

1370
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 2: to sell, is that they have equipment to sell and

1371
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 2: nothing else. Every other team could sell the charter and

1372
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 2: that worked quite well for Ed Carpenter when he brought

1373
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: on Ted Geloff and Heartland Food Group as a partner

1374
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:02,799
Speaker 2: last year. But that's the scenario. I've heard nothing new

1375
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 2: on that front, but hopefully sooner rather than later that

1376
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 2: they get something squared away with Prema. If not all

1377
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 2: of their key employees will have likely taken jobs at

1378
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 2: this point, because I'm sure that process is going on

1379
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 2: right now. If there's somebody that somebody wants, you know

1380
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 2: they're going to have to simply take another job from IndyCar. Ken,

1381
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 2: can you please make sense of the Hunkohs Hollinger Racing

1382
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 2: announcement of rejoining next I realize the drivers will need

1383
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 2: to pay to play, but considering the rumored financial difficulties

1384
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 2: the JHR faces, how are they able to make this

1385
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 2: viable a new partner that hasn't been announced, Well, simple,

1386
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 2: it's actually much more sound investments for a junior formula team.

1387
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 2: And a friend talking about wanting to get in an IndyCar,

1388
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 2: and I said, a friend of some means, I said,

1389
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 2: you should do a junior formula team because we can

1390
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 2: make you money in that It is very hard to

1391
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 2: make money an IndyCar. Really an IndyCar. It helps if

1392
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 2: you're really, really wealthy or you are amazing in the

1393
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 2: commercial aspects, because it's ten million dollars a year. And

1394
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 2: in the junior formula categories, we are seeing that there

1395
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 2: are enough wealthy parents and families. Not always the case,

1396
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 2: but that's seventy five percent of it or more, and

1397
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 2: a lot of times it's a mixture. There's wealth involved

1398
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 2: to get started. Then they're leaning on the people that

1399
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 2: they do business with. But the asking price is between

1400
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 2: one point through read a one point five or six

1401
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 2: million a year for an Indie next seat. My guess

1402
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 2: is if you are doing multiple cars, it costs you

1403
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 2: between nine hundred thousand and one point one million. That

1404
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 2: is profit. So yes, there is some money that is

1405
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 2: going to be needed for the startup. But this team

1406
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 2: who goes Hollinger already has equipment. They were set to

1407
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 2: run a team this year and they're funded driver that

1408
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 2: was announced and assigned. Something went away and therefore they

1409
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 2: had no funded driver. By the time they got to February,

1410
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 2: all of the funded drivers were gone and somewhere else.

1411
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 2: So I'm excited that they're going to be back. I

1412
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 2: think there was another question on that front, but it's

1413
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 2: a much less risk one. You're talking less money. It's

1414
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,879
Speaker 2: one point five million dollars a year for the program

1415
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 2: ISH compared to eight to ten million dollars in IndyCar

1416
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 2: and they are a decent amount of families that can

1417
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 2: fund junior formula racing, there are not very many that

1418
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 2: can fund a full IndyCar program, and that's generally how

1419
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 2: it works. Families have enough money to get you to

1420
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 2: that point, but even the wealthy families are going to

1421
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 2: need somebody to help up, either the talent to take

1422
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,679
Speaker 2: over they've made an investment, or they're going to need

1423
01:23:54,640 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 2: sponsors to come in. Tommy, Tommy one, do you think

1424
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 2: we'll have more than twenty full time cars for twenty

1425
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 2: six in next? Will there be any other new or

1426
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,719
Speaker 2: returning teams? I mean other than Cusick, who already announced

1427
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 2: their entry. So here's what I think I know, and

1428
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,759
Speaker 2: then I saw if you want to see it in writing,

1429
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 2: Marshall prut wrote something on racer dot com and I

1430
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 2: mentioned this on the broadcast a couple of weeks ago.

1431
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 2: I was hearing twenty four cars next year for Indie Next.

1432
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 2: And I don't know if this has been announced yet,

1433
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 2: but one of the reasons and motivations for HMD to

1434
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 2: have satellite teams or whatever you want to call it,

1435
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 2: and partner with Cusick is that they were going to

1436
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 2: be asked to get down to four cars so there's

1437
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 2: a technical partnership with HMD, and I think they're still

1438
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 2: working at two other cars, so they would sort of

1439
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 2: still have eight, but really only have four. Andretti has

1440
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 2: already somewhat done that with Cape Motorsports running two of

1441
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:57,719
Speaker 2: their six. Wouldn't be surprised if Ganassi added more cars.

1442
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 2: They came in this year with two, it'll help them

1443
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 2: to have four. So already you're up to what fourteen

1444
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 2: plus four for able plus Hunkhs returning with a couple,

1445
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 2: you're already at twenty four. I do not expect any

1446
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 2: more teams because I did the math the other day.

1447
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 2: There were rumors of another team moving up to that level,

1448
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:26,640
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure that there is going to be

1449
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 2: a space for them at this points. Lots of Mexico

1450
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 2: questions here. Kurt Lalo asked any updates with Mexico City.

1451
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 2: Linz says if IndyCar doesn't announce a race in Mexico

1452
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 2: for twenty six, would that be a complete failure for IndyCar,

1453
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 2: especially after the comments from the DHL CEO and the

1454
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 2: increased populator of Pata and Polo and Doug Thompson says,

1455
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 2: how long has talk of a race in Washington, DC.

1456
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:55,639
Speaker 2: Been around. It kind of seems like it came out

1457
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 2: of the blue. Can't imagine that this would be easy

1458
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 2: to pull off an event like this for twenty six

1459
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 2: Northeast or Star for a race. DC is not in

1460
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 2: the Northeast, but I guess it's close enough. So I

1461
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 2: saw I think Adam Stern write this, I think recently,

1462
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 2: so he wrote about the DC race, and then I

1463
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 2: think he wrote that that could be a replacement for

1464
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 2: Mexico City. Everything I think I know says Mexico City

1465
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 2: is going to happen. But even what I've been told,

1466
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 2: it's one of those that I want to see. I

1467
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 2: want to see it announced. I want to see the

1468
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 2: plane ticket purchased. I want to see us get on

1469
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 2: the bus to go and so forth. You know, that's

1470
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 2: part of it. They're doing their due diligence so nothing

1471
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 2: like that happens. Again that if they announce this, they

1472
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 2: want to make sure it happens. And then when you

1473
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 2: hear the group that owns Liberty or that Liberty is

1474
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 2: involved with, is in the part of this. And there

1475
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 2: are just a lot of cooks in the kitchen in this,

1476
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,879
Speaker 2: and I think it's complicated. I suspect it still happens,

1477
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 2: but until it's announced, I don't know. I too feel

1478
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 2: like it would be pretty hard to get DC going

1479
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 2: for the next year. And if it doesn't, you know,

1480
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 2: I hope these leaks, don't. I hope when the schedule

1481
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 2: is announced, people aren't, well, where's DC, and maybe DC

1482
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 2: will be on it, But if it's not. I don't

1483
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:27,839
Speaker 2: know when this started, but this was said when Fox

1484
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 2: became a partner, that they're going to try to help

1485
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 2: with big events, and that would seem to be a

1486
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 2: big event. Before Fox was involved, Denver conversations were already

1487
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 2: on the table, and I don't think that's going to

1488
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 2: happen for twenty six. But I honestly don't know. There

1489
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 2: are a few things that I think I know about

1490
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 2: the schedule. There are a lot of things that I

1491
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 2: don't know, and I don't know when it's going to

1492
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,639
Speaker 2: be announced. Yeah, and I don't either.

1493
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean I read everything that you read and talk

1494
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: to some people you talk to and some you don't,

1495
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't.

1496
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:02,719
Speaker 2: I don't.

1497
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 1: I can't wait for it. I can't wait for the

1498
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 1: schedule announcement. You know, it's one of the intriguing parts

1499
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 1: of the season because we find and we still will

1500
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,759
Speaker 1: end up with more questions than we have answers.

1501
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 2: One thing we do think we know is that we're

1502
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 2: not going to have that big gap right at the

1503
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 2: start of the season. Too many people are talking about

1504
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 2: Phoenix in week two compaired with NASCAR. Those reports are

1505
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 2: out there, so it's Saint Pete Phoenix. We think, need

1506
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 2: to see it. Don't know one hundred percent I need

1507
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 2: to see it. Something could change. I still remember the

1508
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 2: time that one of the people I work for told

1509
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,560
Speaker 2: me in like January one year, there's going to be

1510
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 2: a street race in Fort Lauderdale this season. Have we

1511
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 2: raced in Fort Lauderdale, Kurt not legally? No, No, we

1512
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 2: have not. So just because somebody says it's happening doesn't

1513
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 2: mean it's happening. And that announcement was never made. It

1514
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 2: obviously never got finalized. But just because we hear it

1515
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 2: with good sourcing doesn't mean that it's always true at

1516
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 2: this point. But then Arlington that's confirmed for week three,

1517
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 2: then the Sebring twelve hour, and then Portia Sprint Challenge

1518
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 2: announced their schedule and said we'll be racing with IndyCar

1519
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 2: the last weekend of March. So there you go, and

1520
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 2: we wondered if Barbara would be moving up. So you're

1521
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 2: going to have four races in the first five weeks

1522
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 2: of the season. Then unfortunately there may be some gaps.

1523
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 2: But maybe there's something I'm not aware of that is

1524
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 2: going to fill one of those gaps. You're always going

1525
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 2: to have a weekend off for Easter. We know when

1526
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 2: Long Beach is. It's April eighteenth and so on.

1527
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 1: So I think they were talking in Lauderdale about the

1528
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 1: boat show. I think that's what your schedule was. It

1529
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: was a boat show.

1530
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 2: It was supposed to be a part of the boat show,

1531
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 2: in a combat with the boat show. This was fifteen

1532
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 2: years ago, ten years ago, or something like that. All right,

1533
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 2: let's see what we missed and more coming up next. Hi,

1534
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 2: this is David Lucas and you're listening to track side

1535
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 2: final segment. What we miss So we talked about the

1536
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 2: new Toronto area event in Markham, and then there's this

1537
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 2: Adam Stern with a story from Thestar dot com the

1538
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:07,719
Speaker 2: local paper quote. I don't think I'm being overly dramatic

1539
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 2: when I say that plopping an IndyCar race in the

1540
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 2: middle of that neighborhood will fall somewhere between seriously disruptive

1541
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 2: and totally chaotic for those who live, work, and commute nearby.

1542
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 2: Couldn't read the whole story because you needed to subscribe,

1543
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:23,839
Speaker 2: and I probably won't do that for just one article.

1544
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 2: But it wouldn't be a street race if there wasn't

1545
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 2: some contention and obstacles. So there you go. Dane Cook

1546
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 2: asked this question, how much longer can IndyCar wait on

1547
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 2: Honda to make their decision to remain in OEM in

1548
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 2: your opinion of they already made their decision? Man, that

1549
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 2: is a great question, and I don't know. I still

1550
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 2: think they're staying, but I'm not that confident on that.

1551
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, I think you need to wait because you

1552
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 2: really need them, So Honda has the control on this.

1553
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 2: But you're right you want to know asap. Is that

1554
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 2: a matter of months? It's not far away, certainly, I

1555
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 2: would think before you get to twenty six, but who knows.

1556
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 2: Great question and one of the off season discussion points.

1557
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 2: All right, we'll see you next Tuesday night at seven

1558
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 2: on track Side