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Speaker 1: All right, redistricting is all the talk in Indiana. Let's

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Speaker 1: go right to the WIBC hotline with the guy who

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Speaker 1: broke the story yesterday that Rod Bray, the pro tim

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Speaker 1: the leader of the Senate, says they don't have the

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Speaker 1: votes to move forward on redistricting. Adam Rinn is his name.

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Speaker 1: He's a writer for Politico, also in Portinville. Adam, Hello,

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Speaker 1: good to be with you, Rob Okay. So you put

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Speaker 1: the story out yesterday in Politico that the spokesman for

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Speaker 1: Rod Bray says they don't have the votes. Did you

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Speaker 1: get the feeling that it's a we don't have the

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Speaker 1: votes right now, or we don't have them and we're.

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Speaker 2: Not going to have them. Well, what was interesting, Rob,

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Speaker 2: is as I was reporting this out, I had caught

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Speaker 2: wind at the House Republicans caucus on Tuesday evening that

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Speaker 2: Tuesday evening and did have the votes. Emerged from that

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Speaker 2: had the votes that Houston conveyed to the White House

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Speaker 2: that he had the votes to pass the Senate House.

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Speaker 2: And then I caught when that there was just a call,

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Speaker 2: a virtual call with Rod Bray and fellow Republican senators

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Speaker 2: yesterday morning at nine o'clock and what's interesting there is

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Speaker 2: it was a call, it was not a caucus formally,

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Speaker 2: and so that that sort of tells you a lot

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Speaker 2: right there that you know, is more designed to kind

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Speaker 2: of convey a message than it was to solicit, you know,

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Speaker 2: intense debate and feedback. And of course, not long after

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Speaker 2: we learned that there weren't the votes there. Now the

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Speaker 2: White House disagrees with Bray's assessment. The White House says

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Speaker 2: that they have a private whip count and that they

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Speaker 2: and file members, and that it's mostly the opposition is

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Speaker 2: mostly centered in Bray's leadership team, the six or seven

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Speaker 2: people that he works with to run the Senate. But

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Speaker 2: what's interesting about that is right after we broke this story,

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Speaker 2: Chris Gartin, who is on the leadership team, a Republican

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Speaker 2: who works with Rod Bray, came out on x and

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Speaker 2: said that he actually does now support redistricting mid cycle.

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Speaker 2: And so that sort of adds to the numbers. And

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Speaker 2: so we're right out about five or six people Republicans

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Speaker 2: in the Senate who say publicly that they support redistricting,

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Speaker 2: but really, at the end of the day, Rob this

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Speaker 2: comes down to Rod Bray and whether you can withstand

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Speaker 2: the pressure that is mounting right now from the White

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Speaker 2: House as they try to with their votes and larger

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Speaker 2: you know, MAGA world on X. Steve Bannon told me

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Speaker 2: yesterday that these senators haven't even begun to feel the

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Speaker 2: pressure that's about to head their way. Chris Lassovida, Trump's

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four presidential campaign manager, responded to me and said,

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Speaker 2: now the fun part starts, basically implying that he's going

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Speaker 2: to enjoy the process of primary these folks.

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Speaker 1: Adam Renn is our guest from Politico. He broke the

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Speaker 1: story yesterday that the ProTem of the Senate, Rod Bray,

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Speaker 1: says that they don't have the votes to go forward

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Speaker 1: with redistricting.

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Speaker 3: Adam, it's see, I'm wondering what are the potential political

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Speaker 3: consequences for these lawmakers who oppose the redistricting push.

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Speaker 2: Casey, we're still seeing what's happening here. We're seeing a

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Speaker 2: lot of online aligned activity on ex MAGA influencers kind

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Speaker 2: of pressuring these senators holdouts here, and we don't quite

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Speaker 2: know what the real world consequences are gonna be here.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's not a lot of time to recruit,

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Speaker 2: you know, challengers to people like Rod Bray. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're we're sort of weeks weeks and not too many

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Speaker 2: months away from you know, the filing deadline. And so honestly,

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Speaker 2: the White House is really under pressure here to follow

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Speaker 2: through on their threats to primary reluctant holdouts. What's fascinating

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Speaker 2: to me is that President Donald Trump, who isn't afraid

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Speaker 2: to pick up his phone and post to X or

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Speaker 2: true social hasn't really like said anything negative so far

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Speaker 2: threatening these folks like he usually does. It's been a

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Speaker 2: largely you know, carrot based process and not so many sticks.

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Speaker 2: And so really the next week or so before bron

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Speaker 2: calls the special session, that's when we would we were

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Speaker 2: likely to see the sticks, if there are any come out.

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Speaker 2: They've all been sort of bluffs from the White House,

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Speaker 2: and so they're on a hot seat to follow through

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Speaker 3: Adam, in your article, you said, allies to the White House,

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Speaker 3: like Senator Jim Banks, have warned control of the House

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Speaker 3: rests on whether Indiana can produce two additional Republican held

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Speaker 3: congressional districts. Can you speak more on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all of the data we've seen about the broader

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Speaker 2: midterm environment across the country right now suggest a closer

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Speaker 2: than normal mid terms where you're really going to see

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Speaker 2: the battle for control of the House, you know, come

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Speaker 2: down to perhaps single digits here. And so if Indiana

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Speaker 2: Republicans want to redraw the maps and are going to

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Speaker 2: crew any political costs to do that, they're going to

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Speaker 2: go after two seats, the first district up by Chicago

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Speaker 2: seats through mid decade jerrymandering, you know, those are two

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Speaker 2: red seats that Republicans could count in their favor nationally,

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Speaker 2: especially as Cali California ways about propositions to potentially redistrict there.

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Speaker 2: So it really is critically important to control of the House.

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Speaker 2: And of course, if you go back to twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump lost the mid terms in twenty eighteen, took

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Speaker 2: of investigations of two impeachments, and he doesn't want that

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Speaker 2: to happen. Again, So what happens in Indiana matters to

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Speaker 2: him greatly.

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Speaker 1: Adam Ran, a Politico our guest, a couple of minutes

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Speaker 1: left with him. He broke the story yesterday on Politico

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Speaker 1: that the Republicans said they don't have the votes to

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Speaker 1: go forward. Okay, let's say Braw calls the special session?

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Speaker 1: Is there? What could Rod Bray do? It's clear he

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Speaker 1: doesn't want this, and he has obviously a lot of

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Speaker 1: steps be. Is he just going to be like, all right,

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Speaker 1: put it up for a vote, or are there things

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Speaker 1: he could do to prevent this from going forward?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question, Rob. And we know that

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Speaker 2: the White House said yesterday that they want to vote,

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Speaker 2: they want a special session, they want to Senate Republicans

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Speaker 2: to prove that they don't have the votes. That gives

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Speaker 2: them a pressure valve to sort of increase pressure on

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Speaker 2: hold out Republicans here. But look, if they come in

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Speaker 2: and Todd Houston has the votes and the Senate doesn't,

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Speaker 2: Rod Bray, like any other measure that he doesn't like

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Speaker 2: in a legislative session, could just send this to rules

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Speaker 2: and it would never see the light of day again,

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Speaker 2: you know, Summer Study Committee, whatever he wants to do.

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Speaker 2: And so really the rest of this psych the rest

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Speaker 2: of this process here, it all comes down to Rod

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Speaker 2: Bray and whether he gives in to the external pressure.

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Speaker 1: Do you We'll get you out of here with this,

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Speaker 1: do you? Is there any lawmaker you've talked to in

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Speaker 1: India on the House or Senate that have said, I've

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Speaker 1: just had a flood of people demand that we do this,

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Speaker 1: Like have they've been able to produce emails or phone

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Speaker 1: calls because even the people that are for it, we

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Speaker 1: haven't found anybody who can show, Man, my constituents in

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Speaker 1: mass are just behind this.

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Speaker 2: You know, there is some polling that the White House

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Speaker 2: presented to state lawmakers when they were in town last

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Speaker 2: when the Vice President was in town that does show

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Speaker 2: that it's getting more popular among the base the longer

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Speaker 2: that they talk about it, and of course that's part

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Speaker 2: of the White House's plan here. The longer it goes,

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Speaker 2: the more public support for it increases. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I actually have talked to you know, the opposite number

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Speaker 2: of senators privately who say they're only sharing about it

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Speaker 2: from outside their districts, from outside Indiana that they want

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Speaker 2: more people outside of Indiana, and more people outside of

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Speaker 2: Indiana want them to do this, and people inside Indiana

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Speaker 2: does look and these, you know, the opposition to it

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Speaker 2: in the Senate Republican Caucus runs the gamut. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you've got some pretty hard maga folks. You've got some

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Speaker 2: folks that people would describe outwardly as more rhino. It's

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Speaker 2: more sort of of a sort of an attitudinal opposition,

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Speaker 2: I would say, than it is an ideological one.

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Speaker 1: Adam Rin of Politico, keep up the great, great work,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for filling us in on what's going on

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Speaker 1: perhaps behind the scenes with the redistrict redistricting effort. Appreciate you,

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Speaker 1: my friend.

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Speaker 2: Good to be with you, behave yourself if you can.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a casey casey behavior sign.

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Speaker 3: Now everybody tells you that