Speaker 1: Why from vall Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America.
Speaker 2: It's Tony Kats today. So the story out of Iran
Speaker 2: is nothing new. As a matter of fact, it's so
Speaker 2: nothing new one could say it's absolutely boring. Why is
Speaker 2: it leading the show, Tony? Well, we should be clear
Speaker 2: that we're not done here, and we should be clear
Speaker 2: that it is dominating a lot of our politics, especially
Speaker 2: when you take a look at oil, which is down
Speaker 2: a touch today midday it was eighty two dollars and
Speaker 2: sixty cents a barrel. That's on the West Texas cruise
Speaker 2: on the Brent crewed eighty eight dollars and twenty nine cents.
Speaker 3: What the war.
Speaker 2: Has become as a talking point, and until we understand
Speaker 2: how this talking point can be addressed, should be addressed,
Speaker 2: needs to be addressed. Well, we are going to get
Speaker 2: clobbered about by the people who just want to say
Speaker 2: what happened to the low oil prices. These are the
Speaker 2: same people who said, well, what happened to egg prices?
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to bring down egg prices.
Speaker 2: Why aren't the egg prices down? No one ever takes
Speaker 2: a look at the thing. They take a look at
Speaker 2: the thing that respawns from it. Let me say this
Speaker 2: another way. We have all seen in sports that it's
Speaker 2: never the foul that gets called, it's the reaction to
Speaker 2: the foul that gets called.
Speaker 3: The first guy who acts like a complete and.
Speaker 2: Total combag, nothing happens that, dude.
Speaker 3: It's the reaction. The reaction gets the penalty.
Speaker 2: We need to be people who are able to engage
Speaker 2: before that moment, did we actually see what made this
Speaker 2: all come together? Because this isn't sports, this is our lives,
Speaker 2: and this has an effect on the election, as an
Speaker 2: effect on everything. Perception is reality. I'm Tony Katz. The
Speaker 2: show is Tony Katz Today. Good to be with you,
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Speaker 2: Tony Katz Today. We see this back and forth between
Speaker 2: President Trump and allegedly the Iranians.
Speaker 3: This back and forth goes to the idea of who is.
Speaker 2: In control? Is it the Iranians in control? Is it
Speaker 2: the US in control of the strait? That conversation in
Speaker 2: and of itself is a losing proposition for the president.
Speaker 3: He can discuss all he wants in every way.
Speaker 2: He wants that we have got some control of this
Speaker 2: and things are flowing through. He can have this conversation
Speaker 2: from now until the end of time.
Speaker 3: Great young athletes the future of our country.
Speaker 4: And we had a great time in Ohio, a fantastic
Speaker 4: time in Ohio. The country is doing well. The sock
Speaker 4: mark is fantastic record. We have seventy nine records so
Speaker 4: far in a short period of time. Four people are
Speaker 4: working right now in the United States and ever before,
Speaker 4: and prices are dropping fast. Iran is going fine, going
Speaker 4: just absolutely fine. We totally control the Strait of Hormos.
Speaker 3: We have control over it. Nobody else, only.
Speaker 5: Us are now.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, sir, oil has to be at
Speaker 2: sixty dollars a hour or less.
Speaker 3: But it's not so the argument falls flat. The argument fails.
Speaker 2: And that's what gives the left all of the agenda,
Speaker 2: all this one way, I should say, all this opportunity.
Speaker 2: We already know their agenda to say, look at the
Speaker 2: high oil prices because Trump got us into it.
Speaker 3: What unnecessary war.
Speaker 2: Whether you're quoting the left or whether you're quoting the
Speaker 2: ridiculously pathetic Marjorie Taylor Green, not America first, I don't
Speaker 2: even think believes in America at all. Said it meant it,
Speaker 2: not apologizing to it, don't really give a good Holy dammage.
Speaker 2: She's happy allowing that to be the conversation, allows to
Speaker 2: bake into the cake the very idea that going into
Speaker 2: Iran was this terrible, misguided concept. I couldn't disagree with
Speaker 2: that more. I couldn't disagree more. And the President disagrees
Speaker 2: with it. So why is it that he is not
Speaker 2: and the team is not aggressively engaging in the other way.
Speaker 2: Every day, every Republican across the country who gets on
Speaker 2: television or is on radio should be referring to the
Speaker 2: Iranian regime as the terrorist Iranian regime.
Speaker 3: They are terrorists.
Speaker 2: Every time the Left wants to engage the idea.
Speaker 3: That this is a forever war, it is.
Speaker 2: Important and imperative to remember that war works on our timeline.
Speaker 2: Because we are the dominant power, we can do anything.
Speaker 2: Are the leftists saying that we should drop every weapon,
Speaker 2: every bomb in our arsenal to take out around because
Speaker 2: we can do that. That's what seems to me that
Speaker 2: the left is saying every single bomb in the arsenal,
Speaker 2: the big stuff, the little stuff, the weird stuff, the
Speaker 2: stuff no one knows about. Oh my gosh, this is
Speaker 2: just taking for forever, is it. I didn't say this
Speaker 2: would be easy. I didn't say this would be fun.
Speaker 2: Part of what has happened here is that the president
Speaker 2: has allowed a narrative to form in front of his eyes,
Speaker 2: and his team has.
Speaker 3: Not fought back one bit.
Speaker 2: He has allowed for the narrative to be built that
Speaker 2: this was unnecessary and that this is taking too long,
Speaker 2: when the argument is, it absolutely is necessary, and this
Speaker 2: isn't taking any time at all, and we may very
Speaker 2: well decide just to wait these people out. Maybe that's
Speaker 2: going to be it. Maybe it's going to be this
Speaker 2: siege attitude, this siege philosophy. Maybe that's going to be
Speaker 2: the winning proposition. Well, oh, Ran, they've learned how to survive.
Speaker 2: They're in a survival economy. They're in a survival economy.
Speaker 2: Boo boo, right until the clean water runs out. That's
Speaker 2: what they tell you to try and push you away
Speaker 2: from engaging the first part, The first part which the
Speaker 2: President didn't do. He didn't sell his story, he didn't
Speaker 2: tell his story. He didn't ask America to be with him.
Speaker 2: He said, I'm doing this and therefore you'll come along
Speaker 2: because that's what you do. That's a big mistake, and
Speaker 2: no one has corrected him. No one has said, you got.
Speaker 3: To make this pivot, you got to make this change.
Speaker 3: Who controls the trade of hormuz?
Speaker 2: Well it you speak to people, If you actually do
Speaker 2: talk to people in the know, one of the things
Speaker 2: that they'll tell.
Speaker 3: You is you take a look at oil.
Speaker 2: At the eighty two dollars a barrel that I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: that's not one hundred and ten. We had one hundred
Speaker 2: and ten dollars a barrel oil. We're now at eighty two. Well,
Speaker 2: the problem is, in the president's words, that's still too high. Right,
Speaker 2: it was supposed to be like seventy five or lower,
Speaker 2: and that was the good spot. It was lower because
Speaker 2: of the MoU the memorandum of understanding. Then that fell apart,
Speaker 2: and then things you know, increased. And that's the story.
Speaker 2: But we aren't in this place of insanity. We'ren't a
Speaker 2: place of higher than we wanted to be, wholeheartedly, wholeheardly, agreed,
Speaker 2: couldn't agree more actually, and I say this about a
Speaker 2: whole host of things. The president needed to sell the
Speaker 2: story the President needed to ask America to be with
Speaker 2: him that yes, we will have higher gas prices for
Speaker 2: a while, but your kids will live in a safer future.
Speaker 3: We will no longer.
Speaker 2: Have anybody under the threat of being murdered by these
Speaker 2: terrorists because they are the bad guy. And yes, we
Speaker 2: see all the people in the United States supporting them.
Speaker 3: They're the bad guy too, these terrorist supporters.
Speaker 2: Rashida Talib has to be called a terrorist for supporter
Speaker 2: to her face. So does Ilhana mar So does the
Speaker 2: COSU Quarts, So does Chris van Holland, so does Richard
Speaker 2: bloementhal So do the rest of them, Chris Murphy, etc.
Speaker 3: Every day they have to be called terrorist supporters.
Speaker 2: Mehdi Hassan has to be called a supporter of the
Speaker 2: most hateful, awful, violent extremes out there. Time he tries
Speaker 2: to make some claim that it's it's Israel, it's the
Speaker 2: United States, it's Trump, it's the military, it's the political right.
Speaker 3: They're all involved in supporting genocider.
Speaker 2: You're the one who is de facto giving the support
Speaker 2: to the Iranian regime and not to the Iranian people.
Speaker 2: They want to play the other part of it. The
Speaker 2: second thing that the penalty has seen. Right, never the
Speaker 2: first one where they commit the first act of just
Speaker 2: absolute madness. They think our response is the thing that's
Speaker 2: we used against us. I believe that their action is
Speaker 2: the thing that is whole unacceptable. And in order to
Speaker 2: turn that tide, you have to get people with you,
Speaker 2: and the president hasn't done it yet.
Speaker 3: Is this taking too long?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: Is this forever war?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: Is that just a nonsense term? Yes? Does it?
Speaker 2: You get utilized by the political left and the weird
Speaker 2: woke right?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Are they wrong? Yes? Say so.
Speaker 2: You're allowing a narrative to be baked, and that narrative
Speaker 2: needs to be broken. The President is going to just
Speaker 2: try and wait out the Iranians. He can, he absolutely can.
Speaker 2: The president wants that to be the strategy. That's gonna
Speaker 2: be the strategy, even though it's not my strategy. But
Speaker 2: if the president wants to be able to gain the
Speaker 2: upper hand in a conversation about perception, which is allegedly
Speaker 2: something that matters to him quite greatly, he needs to
Speaker 2: change the conversation. He needs to change the tone, he
Speaker 2: needs to change the attitude.
Speaker 3: That's how you change the perception.
Speaker 2: And I just cannot figure out why they're not doing
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: All lost and around.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not is the President utilizing a strategy I don't like.
Speaker 2: Absolutely is he gonna turntail and run. He hasn't yet.
Speaker 2: And just because the Wall Street Journal or the leftist
Speaker 2: media or Iran says so doesn't make it true. It
Speaker 2: makes it ugly that anybody would take their side. This
Speaker 2: is about perception right now. This is a perception war.
Speaker 2: And so we're clear President Trump is losing it, and
Speaker 2: I just don't want that to be the case. Speaking
Speaker 2: of perception, the perception of Tucker Carlson has to be broken. Man,
Speaker 2: I've got that coming up. This is Tony Kats today.
Speaker 2: Yesterday we're doing the show. We're minding our own business,
Speaker 2: smoking a cigar, having a good time.
Speaker 3: And I said, you know, it's weird.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen Caroline Levitt, the White House Press secretary.
Speaker 2: She did a presser a couple of weeks ago after
Speaker 2: coming back from having a baby, hope everything is.
Speaker 3: Going well.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's it's it's curious that that I
Speaker 2: haven't heard a press conference from her. And then later
Speaker 2: that day here comes President Trump to say Caroline Levitt.
Speaker 3: Is leaving so she can go raise her family.
Speaker 2: Tony kaants, Tony knts today, good to be with you,
Speaker 2: mosletough to her, really and truly, none of that is
Speaker 2: ever easy. She is having a very public conversation that
Speaker 2: women have all the time career or family. Families have
Speaker 2: all the time. This is this is the thing, And
Speaker 2: what she is said is I'm choosing family and good
Speaker 2: on her. And yes I am aware as the chapman
Speaker 2: is reminding me that progressives have been very, very very
Speaker 2: nasty towards Caroline Levitt, terrible and awful. Oh but no
Speaker 2: one was a bigger liar than Karin John Pierre. No
Speaker 2: one was a bigger fraud and Krim John Pierre was incompetent.
Speaker 3: She was dumb. She may still be dumb.
Speaker 2: An incompetent, incompetent woman. Just so we're all clear, that
Speaker 2: was Karin John Pierre. Circle back, Jensaki, what do you
Speaker 2: want to do? The Press secretary job is a not
Speaker 2: rageously difficult job. But it's not about your opinion. It's
Speaker 2: what it is that is the position of the president
Speaker 2: and how you voice it. You know they're looking now
Speaker 2: for a replacement. I do not know if my name
Speaker 2: is in contention just yet, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Hold on it, it's not it's not
Speaker 3: anyway in content.
Speaker 2: Oh, if I asked, Oh I've asked, I would do
Speaker 2: the job. Baffily, I'm gone. I may only last a week.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I would last a full Scarmucci.
Speaker 2: But the book I would write would be epic in
Speaker 2: every in every world. I get the call right now
Speaker 2: during this show to me the White House Press Secretary.
Speaker 2: I leave the show mid show, I go do that.
Speaker 2: And you guys know it. You absolutely know that I
Speaker 2: would do that immediately. And I'd be a fool not
Speaker 2: to absolutely positively deliver the message of the president. Be clear,
Speaker 2: be direct, be able to work with the press, be disarming,
Speaker 2: be rough, do the whole thing, absolutely, no question. And
Speaker 2: I think Caroline Levitt, especially with the age she's twenty eight,
Speaker 2: exceeded a tremendous amount of expectation. She handled it really well.
Speaker 2: There are times where I thought she was a little
Speaker 2: too rough and gruff their time. I thought she was
Speaker 2: a little to killy and Conway for my taste, But
Speaker 2: all the respect in the world for how she handled
Speaker 2: the gig. Yes, I take the gig in a heartbeat. Now,
Speaker 2: the question is who could possibly replace her, right, So,
Speaker 2: there's a couple of options here that are being floated.
Speaker 3: One of them is Alena Habba.
Speaker 2: This is the former acting US attorney for New Jersey.
Speaker 2: This was Trump's lawyer who you saw with him in
Speaker 2: the early defense of those appeals and all the attacks
Speaker 2: on him as he was running for president. That's Alena Habba.
Speaker 2: Certainly if we're talking about the look, oh she's got
Speaker 2: a look. One of the options is Matt Boyle, Breitbart
Speaker 2: Washington Bureau Chief. For those of us who came up
Speaker 2: in the movement, the idea that Matt Boyle could be
Speaker 2: considered for White House Press secretary is only proof that
Speaker 2: if you stick at it, and you stick at it,
Speaker 2: and you stick at it, crazy things can happen. That's incredible,
Speaker 2: it's incredible. It's unbelievable that he could be a potential voice.
Speaker 2: But he's there, he's in it every single day, he's
Speaker 2: constantly at it, and certainly the administration knows who he is.
Speaker 2: I just can't picture the presentation of going from Caroline
Speaker 2: Levitt to Matt Boyle. Well Tony, you can picture it
Speaker 2: going from Caroline Levitt to you, I have better hair
Speaker 2: than Caroline Levitt.
Speaker 3: So yes. Then there's a couple other options. One of those.
Speaker 2: Options is the White House Communications Director, Stephen Chung. I've
Speaker 2: never actually seen him in conversation. Overweight the glasses again,
Speaker 2: that's a I don't know if that's the look Trump
Speaker 2: wants or not. I wouldn't care. Just give me the data.
Speaker 2: Is he willing to fight? To your Lord, He's absolutely
Speaker 2: willing to fight on every level, willing to fight. He
Speaker 2: has proven himself to be an incredibly competent, sophisticated politico
Speaker 2: one thousand percent. The allegedly Katie Miller is a possibility,
Speaker 2: the wife of Stephen Miller. I don't see that one
Speaker 2: happening at the moments. At the moment, there is Taylor
Speaker 2: is it Bowick Bodowitch, I don'm not how to pronounce
Speaker 2: his last name, A former White House deputy chief of staff.
Speaker 2: So in terms of understanding the inner workings, that's there.
Speaker 2: And then there is the principal Deputy Press Secretary Anna Kelly,
Speaker 2: also also possible. I would throw somebody else in the mix.
Speaker 2: Somebody mentioned Roma.
Speaker 3: Davari.
Speaker 2: Roma is really smart, really capable. I want to throw
Speaker 2: into the mix. Monica Crowley, who has been taking care
Speaker 2: of protocol things with the White House. She was supposed
Speaker 2: to be there and part of the first term and
Speaker 2: got completely hosed in something partially her mistake. You can't
Speaker 2: engage in any level of plagiarism. You got to give
Speaker 2: the quotes. But she's well past that. She's capable. Monica Crowley,
Speaker 2: look for that name, keep it here. Tony Katch Today,
Speaker 2: there is a story that is going to make national news.
Speaker 2: And it's not just about the flooding in the Midwest.
Speaker 2: And we told you about the rains yesterday. Holy cow,
Speaker 2: this has been great. People have been killed because of
Speaker 2: flying degree debris, homes have been destroyed.
Speaker 3: It has been a rough couple days and the rain
Speaker 3: is not ending. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to
Speaker 3: be with you.
Speaker 2: Were heard on WMUN in Muncie, Indiana, and had I
Speaker 2: had texted with the programmer their general manager.
Speaker 3: There, Steve, and I was like, I hope you're doing all.
Speaker 2: Right, and he responded with I have never seen anything
Speaker 2: like this. There were reports of evacuations taking place because
Speaker 2: of this rain that's flooding, and there's still more rain coming.
Speaker 3: So a thought for the people who are really dealing
Speaker 3: with this.
Speaker 2: When I find some areas that we can provide some
Speaker 2: donation to or provide some help to, we will absolutely get.
Speaker 3: That, get that done.
Speaker 2: There's that story, but the story that in the city
Speaker 2: of Indianapolis, a police officer utilized the flock cameras for
Speaker 2: personal use. The Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department suspended an officer
Speaker 2: for alleged personal use of automated license plate readers.
Speaker 3: They'll always call them ALPRs. They mean flock cameras. Even
Speaker 3: by another name, they mean surveillance of the people. And
Speaker 3: one abuses too many, and every camera has to be removed.
Speaker 3: And I don't give a good holy damn what the
Speaker 3: chief says or any of the officers say.
Speaker 2: You're all wrong. I don't mean to be rude. I
Speaker 2: don't want to be disrespectful. You're wrong. The cameras have
Speaker 2: to go. No, I don't trust you. End of list.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to have that fight, an actual fight, anywhere, anytime.
Speaker 2: We could do it in public, we could do it
Speaker 2: behind the scenes over cigar, doesn't matter. They all have
Speaker 2: to go. I've been saying this for a while now.
Speaker 2: One abuse is too many, but I don't come to
Speaker 2: you with that today. I come to you to say
Speaker 2: I only hope, truly hope, because to decide that you're
Speaker 2: going to watch someone slow descent into madness and not
Speaker 2: be concerned, that.
Speaker 3: Is not me.
Speaker 2: We used to watch Tucker Carlson and that Fox show
Speaker 2: was out of control. It was the must watch television.
Speaker 2: It set the conversation in twenty four hour news cycles
Speaker 2: what Beck had done prior and what I he had
Speaker 2: been able to really do with the Blaze, And it's
Speaker 2: a whole conversation for another day. Tucker Carlson was doing
Speaker 2: in that time slot he was doing at Fox News.
Speaker 2: He set the conversation for the country, and there are
Speaker 2: very few people who have been able to do such
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 3: He was doing it. He was absolutely doing it.
Speaker 2: And then of course he got let go and a
Speaker 2: lot of us said, what in the bloody heck? And
Speaker 2: then he started doing things on Twitter, and you saw
Speaker 2: the views and the downloads. You're like, look at that.
Speaker 2: You don't need Fox. It's very possible you needed Fox.
Speaker 2: Maybe he needed the guardrails, maybe he needed the producers,
Speaker 2: maybe he needed someone to keep him in focus when
Speaker 2: he did the interview with Vladimir Putin. People got angry
Speaker 2: with him, and I said, very clearly, and I don't
Speaker 2: change a single words, what's wrong with you? He got
Speaker 2: to you got he did an interview with the leader
Speaker 2: of Russia. You would do that interview too. You're upset
Speaker 2: you didn't get the interview. Of course you do the interview.
Speaker 2: Of course you do. And you're doing it in Russia.
Speaker 2: You might have to be, you know, a little concerned
Speaker 2: with getting home. You do the interview, of course you do.
Speaker 2: I thought nothing of it except good for him. And
Speaker 2: then he started doing videos about look how great Russian
Speaker 2: supermarkets are. I'm sorry what Russian supermarkets are so clean,
Speaker 2: and look at the prices. If you would choose a
Speaker 2: Russian supermarket over an American supermarket, that's insane. You're just
Speaker 2: being ridiculous. You're saying something just to say something. There's
Speaker 2: no way you mean it. None of it's true. That's
Speaker 2: a garbage statement. You sound like a moron. I said so,
Speaker 2: and from there it only got worse, bit by bit
Speaker 2: and piece by piece, and then came.
Speaker 3: The Israel stuff. And you don't have to like Israel.
Speaker 2: I never asked. I don't care if you like Israel
Speaker 2: or not. It means, I swear to you. It means
Speaker 2: nothing to me. What's somebody else's thought process? And whether
Speaker 2: they like Israel or don't. I never asked them whether
Speaker 2: they like Greece, I don't.
Speaker 3: Do you like Sudan? Yes or no?
Speaker 2: I never asked, never asked if you think that Israel
Speaker 2: dragged the United States into the war? I'm sorry, that's
Speaker 2: embarrassing and it's pathetic. And oh, in the country is
Speaker 2: governed and controlled by Israel. That's weirdo freak stuff. Sorry,
Speaker 2: we can't be friends again. And I actually tried. I
Speaker 2: had some old email addresses of his.
Speaker 3: I tried to reach out to him. What are you doing?
Speaker 3: They all got bounced back.
Speaker 2: They were older, and I admit they all got bounced back.
Speaker 3: And slowly.
Speaker 2: He has, of course allowed the dissent into madness and
Speaker 2: the guests that he has on having Hunter Biden, was
Speaker 2: it for me? You're gonna try and realbailitate Hunter Biden.
Speaker 2: He's still gonna lie about the laptop from hell. You're
Speaker 2: gonna buy into this, not going to be a part
Speaker 2: of this. He's gonna you and him are gonna have
Speaker 2: a conversation about how much you enjoy and really respect
Speaker 2: Candace Owens.
Speaker 3: Candace Owens, who has not met a.
Speaker 2: Single falsehood regarding the assassination of Charlie Kirk that.
Speaker 3: She can't embrace and mouth kiss.
Speaker 2: She could say anything she wants about the assassination of
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk and deal with the ramifications thereof. But can
Speaker 2: we all agree that it has been proven that she
Speaker 2: has engaged in a tremendous number of falsehoods. I think
Speaker 2: that's easy and obvious, an easy thing to understand and
Speaker 2: obvious for everyone to see.
Speaker 3: But having Biden on and having uh, the these, uh,
Speaker 3: the these, Churchill was the problem. Guys. I'm out. I'm out.
Speaker 3: And he has slowly been going into this dissent.
Speaker 2: And then you're gonna sit there with Joe Kent and
Speaker 2: uh and Thomas Massey, Marjorie Taylor Green You're talk about
Speaker 2: how you're gonna save the country.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not for me, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: And then comes this, and then comes this right here,
Speaker 2: This got posted by Joel Malbray from Tucker Carlson Show.
Speaker 2: Tucker engaged in a conversation that Ben Shapiro.
Speaker 3: Is a government's creation.
Speaker 7: This is not playing this to suggest that Ben Shapiro
Speaker 7: was like a shaper of history, a mover in American politics.
Speaker 7: He's not He's an employee like most everybody else.
Speaker 8: He's doing what he's told. He represents larger interests obviously,
Speaker 8: So it.
Speaker 2: Is acceptable to say that you, Tucker, are controlled by Qatar,
Speaker 2: You're paid by Quitar, You're you're owned by Quitar.
Speaker 3: You are a puppet of Qatar.
Speaker 2: I actually, if I take a look at you in
Speaker 2: these videos, I can actually see Qatar's hands moving.
Speaker 3: It must be really deep, probably up to the elbow.
Speaker 3: Is this what we do now?
Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro is a government creation of Israel, and Lord
Speaker 2: only knows who else. This is a serious conversation that
Speaker 2: Tucker is having.
Speaker 7: So why bother to replay and then rebut something that
Speaker 7: Ben Shapiro said, well in an effort to speak to
Speaker 7: the people who put him up to it. So the
Speaker 7: whole point at Ben Shapiro, And there is a point
Speaker 7: to Ben Shapiro. This is not like some organic phenomenon
Speaker 7: like Ben Shapirer was just so charming and brilliant that
Speaker 7: he somehow got into Harvard Law School and then Eyebrows
Speaker 7: and all emerged as a social media titan.
Speaker 8: No, of course not.
Speaker 7: And Japiro had a deal with Facebook, a deal no
Speaker 7: one else got. And so the point of Shapiro was.
Speaker 2: Maybe he got a deal nobody else got. But can't
Speaker 2: the same exact thing be said about you? You're an
Speaker 2: invention of some government entity. You had what was it,
Speaker 2: the CIA, daddy and the money this and all that.
Speaker 3: Well, you think you're so smart, so bro is it?
Speaker 3: We'll go back to it. Everything you said, can he
Speaker 3: be easily applied to you? Is this what we do? Now?
Speaker 7: Here's a way to send a very specific message, to
Speaker 7: outline and sell a very specific worldview to young people.
Speaker 7: Ben Shapiro is an old person's idea of a young person.
Speaker 8: He is a spokesman for a group of older people.
Speaker 3: So tamed, not a real person.
Speaker 8: It's get bench Shapiro. This guy, Benjamin, he's brilliant.
Speaker 7: He's a really promising young kid, and we'll get him
Speaker 7: to sell free market economics in a robust Reaganite foreign
Speaker 7: policy to the young folks.
Speaker 2: You're right, because nobody has ever said, hey, I like
Speaker 2: your message, let me help you build that. That's never happened.
Speaker 2: It's like no one's ever said, hey, I like your product.
Speaker 2: Let me help you build that that doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: What kind of argument does this And by the way, I.
Speaker 7: Kind of worked for a while thanks to the trans movement,
Speaker 7: which you suspect they also kind of concocted this same group.
Speaker 7: But whatever wherever that came from. For a while, Ben
Speaker 7: Shapiro seemed like he was on the side of common sense,
Speaker 7: and he's for free speech, and he's against the trans lunacy, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 7: But always from day one, the point was Ben Shapiro
Speaker 7: is going to sell this very specific version of economics,
Speaker 7: not capitalism, bears no resemblance to anything Adam Smith advocated for,
Speaker 7: but the kind of modern American monopoly arrangement where six
Speaker 7: countries comees can behave like countries, have sovereignty onlike our
Speaker 7: own nation, and control every part.
Speaker 8: Of your life through debt.
Speaker 2: So the argument from Zucker Carlson is they got this
Speaker 2: jew for the money stuff.
Speaker 3: I had said that right, I under said.
Speaker 7: That right, which is kind of broad but fairly accurate
Speaker 7: definition of our current economic system. So sell that and
Speaker 7: then sell the even harder to pitch idea that it's
Speaker 7: unpatriotic to oppose wars for Israel.
Speaker 8: Like, first of all, it's obviously antisemitic. I mean, it's
Speaker 8: just an expression of hate.
Speaker 7: If you don't want to regime change some country you
Speaker 7: can't find on a map, obviously you're a bigot.
Speaker 8: You're basically a Nazi. In fact, you must be for Hitler.
Speaker 7: You probably are opposed the Second World War Two probably
Speaker 7: a problems with Churchill. It's literally immoral to oppose Ben
Speaker 7: Shapiro's employer's foreign policy.
Speaker 2: The immoral part is saying that Ben Shapiro has employers
Speaker 2: and handlers.
Speaker 3: It's just stupid to think that church Shill was the problem,
Speaker 3: not Hitler.
Speaker 7: But it's also an American like, this country was founded
Speaker 7: to fight wars for Israel.
Speaker 8: That's why we're here.
Speaker 7: I mean, our founder said explicitly America exists as a
Speaker 7: Judaeo Christian country to support Israel. Okay, so whatever whatever
Speaker 7: prime minister of that country wants, we're doing. I mean,
Speaker 7: that's why we're here. So if you're against it, you
Speaker 7: don't believe in America, you're against America.
Speaker 8: Whyn't you just leave?
Speaker 7: Maybe will revoke your green CARDO don't have a green card,
Speaker 7: will trippy your citizenship, And that's what ice exists to do. Now,
Speaker 7: in any case, you should know watching this that these
Speaker 7: are not just Ben Shapiro's opinions. The extend he actually
Speaker 7: has opinions, who knows, but these are the opinions of
Speaker 7: the people who prop up Ben Shapiro, who created Ben Shapiro,
Speaker 7: and this is what they think. This is the argument
Speaker 7: they sincerely believe, apparently is going to appeal to you,
Speaker 7: young people who were worried about the price of burrito,
Speaker 7: price of burritos.
Speaker 3: It's over, kids, it's over. Tucker's over.
Speaker 2: No one can seriously quote him and expect a response
Speaker 2: other than my, gosh, you need Jesus. And I don't
Speaker 2: know anybody who needs Jesus more than Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 3: It was a good run.
Speaker 2: I really wish you the best, and I hope you
Speaker 2: find the help that you need, and maybe that is Jesus.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is, I hope you find it in that
Speaker 2: right soon. This is Tony Kats today. Now, the WNBA
Speaker 2: had themselves a meeting, and you will not believe what
Speaker 2: they decided. Tony Katz Tony Kats today. I'll get to
Speaker 2: that in a little bit. But I caught this piece
Speaker 2: where Dja Carrington. She's the one who closed lines Sophie
Speaker 2: Cunningham in the physical league the WNBA, and then after
Speaker 2: getting ejected, she goes white privilege.
Speaker 3: Well, here's a video of her.
Speaker 2: In a game last night hitting two players in the face.
Speaker 3: There's one it was the.
Speaker 2: Right hand possible, and then the left hand boom boom
Speaker 2: right in the face right there.
Speaker 3: So that's one, and then the other one is.
Speaker 2: Just a wee bit more egregious right there where she
Speaker 2: comes flying in like she's Superman to stop the play
Speaker 2: and right hand directly to the mouth, right hand. I
Speaker 2: could watch this like it's a suppruder. Film back and
Speaker 2: to the right back, and to the right back and
Speaker 2: to the right and there it is.
Speaker 3: And then although, wit, there's Jackie, it's not Jackie. Let's
Speaker 3: not mock.
Speaker 2: For the record, these kinds of things happen in the
Speaker 2: WNBA a lot. And for the record, some players do
Speaker 2: this and they don't care. They think it's an intimidation tactic.
Speaker 2: I would assume it's what happens when you have less talent.
Speaker 2: It could be an example of what happens in a
Speaker 2: league where the physicalness, the reaction time isn't gonna be
Speaker 2: as fasts.
Speaker 3: Than the NBA. And so this is what you get.
Speaker 3: Could be a bunch of things.
Speaker 2: All I know is the WNBA had to ask itself
Speaker 2: what is a woman? Because well, they haven't answered the
Speaker 2: question yet, and they had a meeting. We've got the
Speaker 2: results of the meeting. You're not gonna believe it. Not
Speaker 2: gonna believe it. I will bring that to you next.
Speaker 3: Keep it here. It's Tony Kats Today.
Speaker 1: Live from vall Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America. It's
Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today.
Speaker 2: I never once, in any of my conversations anywhere, say
Speaker 2: that first you have to agree with me. You don't
Speaker 2: have to agree with me. Even when I say I'm right,
Speaker 2: I'm just making the point of this is where I'm at.
Speaker 2: I am willing to engage in the disagreement. Doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that you have to agree with me. I can't force
Speaker 2: someone to agree with me. I'm okay with conversations with
Speaker 2: people I disagree with. There are places where I do
Speaker 2: indeed have redlines based on policy and philosophy. Communism is
Speaker 2: one of those places. There's no place in any civil
Speaker 2: society for communism. There's no value to communism. One would
Speaker 2: have to be a fool to think that communism provides
Speaker 2: a value, one would actually have to be as dumb
Speaker 2: as a Columbia University graduate. Tony Katz. That's me, by
Speaker 2: the way, what's up everybody, Tony Kats today. An absolute
Speaker 2: pleasure to be here at pleasure to be with you
Speaker 2: find everything I do over at Tony kats dot com,
Speaker 2: live streaming, on the YouTube and on the Rumble Tony
Speaker 2: Katz on Twitter, which is ex Tony Katz and Facebook,
Speaker 2: Tony Katz Radio. You don't have to be in total
Speaker 2: concord to be decent.
Speaker 3: You don't. It doesn't have to be done.
Speaker 2: There are plenty of things that Pat McAfee, the content
Speaker 2: creator radio host, has said that I'm like, nope, that's
Speaker 2: not me. But he's also created a world, and he's
Speaker 2: created a following, a fan base, and a value that
Speaker 2: ESPN saw, Hey, let's put sixty million dollars into this guy.
Speaker 2: That sixty million dollar number matters because the other day
Speaker 2: it's the Patriot Games and Pat McAfee is there, and
Speaker 2: the President is there, and actually Pat McAfee met President
Speaker 2: Trump as he got was there on the tarmac on
Speaker 2: the plane and it's raining and Trump's there holding the umbrella,
Speaker 2: and McAfee is there, Jean's black T shirt, white hat
Speaker 2: turned backwards.
Speaker 3: Hey, mister president, how you doing. I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know if he gave him the finger guns or
Speaker 3: what have you. It was very weird, all right.
Speaker 2: You met the president there, and then they were at
Speaker 2: the Patriot Games together and they were sitting next to
Speaker 2: each other. Social media exploded with anger, and in that
Speaker 2: social media there are a bunch of people who are
Speaker 2: sports podcasters and sports radio hosts infuriated and what are
Speaker 2: they doing. They're calling Pat McAfee a pedophile because they've
Speaker 2: decided that Trump is a pedophile.
Speaker 3: And now we know that this is a lie.
Speaker 2: But they don't care because what they're doing is not
Speaker 2: engaging in any kind of honesty, which would be man,
Speaker 2: I am not a fan of Trump.
Speaker 3: You're sitting with him. I would never do such a thing.
Speaker 2: What they're doing is going to the lowest common denominator
Speaker 2: and buying into any lie, pushing any lie because they
Speaker 2: don't care that it's a lie. All they know to
Speaker 2: do is I don't like Therefore attack, don't engage on policy,
Speaker 2: don't engage on philosophy, engage in the lies because anything that.
Speaker 3: Destroys the target good. This is Alensky.
Speaker 2: Pick the target, personalize that frees it, and polarize it.
Speaker 2: Ridicules man's most potent weapon. It doesn't matter if it's true,
Speaker 2: just say it. Every conversation about Trump as pedophile.
Speaker 3: Is a lie.
Speaker 2: And those people are liars, and they know they're liars,
Speaker 2: and they've been proven liars. We see that they're liars.
Speaker 2: They don't care. They don't care because their emotion controls
Speaker 2: them and they have no capacity to deal in the realities.
Speaker 2: They cannot engage politically, they cannot engage in policy. All
Speaker 2: they have is their emotion. Now, why do they have
Speaker 2: the emotion? It is a good question. We're going to
Speaker 2: get to that. They call him Pat McAfee a pedophile,
Speaker 2: they call him a sellout, they call him disgusting. You know,
Speaker 2: Pat McAfee has a music album coming out this Friday.
Speaker 2: I'm going to bet any amount of money it's going
Speaker 2: to be kind of like Eddie Murphy coming out with
Speaker 2: an album. I'm so glad he decided to stick to comedy,
Speaker 2: but people are mocking the album coming out. How dare
Speaker 2: a guy having fun with his life? Have fun with
Speaker 2: his life. How dare him try something? What's the big deal?
Speaker 2: Don't buy the album. By the way, Pat bought.
Speaker 3: The album and listen to it, and I hope you
Speaker 3: had a good time with it.
Speaker 2: My god, this was a bunch of crap. Stick to
Speaker 2: the radio. You might say that, attacking him for doing something.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, you have to stay in your lane.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things that they always say, stay
Speaker 2: in your lane. What's my lane? If it's my lane,
Speaker 2: aren't either one who decides what it is? That would
Speaker 2: make sense. It's my lane. It's not your lane. It's
Speaker 2: my lane. I get to decide what is in my lane.
Speaker 2: And there are a lot of things in my lane,
Speaker 2: and I might decide to wait for it, change lanes
Speaker 2: because I decide my lane the best thing in the
Speaker 2: world you will ever see. When I say the best.
Speaker 2: The most horrifying is that people will decide that you're
Speaker 2: only allowed to do this one thing. They see you
Speaker 2: a certain way, You're only allowed to do this one thing.
Speaker 2: I know that there are people out there who see
Speaker 2: me as a radio host. It's all Tony can be
Speaker 2: as a radio host. There's nothing more in.
Speaker 3: A radio host.
Speaker 2: I don't see myself that way. I do talk radio,
Speaker 2: I do TV, I podcast, I write, I create, and
Speaker 2: I'm an excellent lover. I have got a panoply.
Speaker 3: Of things that I do.
Speaker 2: One lane, baby, I got a whole bunch of lanes.
Speaker 2: No one gets to decide that but me, And for you,
Speaker 2: no one gets to decide it but you. But somehow,
Speaker 2: because Pat McAfee is in the public guy, everyone gets
Speaker 2: to decide his lane. And then they'll go actor's employer.
Speaker 2: How could ESPN possibly have hired this guy? He got
Speaker 2: sixty million dollars a year and they fired really talented journalists. No,
Speaker 2: first of all, they weren't talented journalists. I want to
Speaker 2: make sure we're clear about this at ESPN. The people
Speaker 2: who got fired were not, in the main talented journalists.
Speaker 3: They sucked.
Speaker 2: ESPN became a terrible garbage place of politics.
Speaker 3: It became impossible to watch.
Speaker 2: And for the record, I don't want to hear Pat
Speaker 2: McAfee engage in politics. This wasn't engaging in politics. The
Speaker 2: President of the United States was there and you were
Speaker 2: invited to sit with him. You sit with him, he's
Speaker 2: still the president. What kind of madness is this that
Speaker 2: we're now going to decide for sitting down.
Speaker 3: Pedophile. It was not an endorsement of anything other.
Speaker 2: Than I recognize that's the president, and let's make sure
Speaker 2: we understand what we're dealing with here. The leftist does
Speaker 2: not want to admit to this thing. Nothing is allowed
Speaker 2: to humanize. You can't admit that he's a president. Oh
Speaker 2: not my present. You can't admit that he's human. It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what you do to him. It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: that you call for people to kill him, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter their assassination attempts. The only thing that matters is
Speaker 2: that these people keep on missing. It has been beyond vitriolic.
Speaker 2: And I had a very good time yesterday.
Speaker 3: I was recording the Cigar and Bourbon Show, Eat, Drink.
Speaker 2: Smoke with fingers will Low, and every time he'd be like,
Speaker 2: you're ready to go, I be I called out. I'm
Speaker 2: just responding and he'd be like, would you stop stop
Speaker 2: doing it?
Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't. It's just too good. I'm funny
Speaker 3: and I'm responding to all these tough guys. A lot
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 5: They do.
Speaker 2: They host a podcast about this team or that team, right,
Speaker 2: They about the thing that they're interesting in they do
Speaker 2: a show about it radio hosts and it reminded me
Speaker 2: of something I have said before, and that is the
Speaker 2: sports guys are very bad at the politics. One or
Speaker 2: two guys we are able to do the crossover stuff.
Speaker 2: I've mentioned Will Caine before, I've mentioned Klay Travis before.
Speaker 3: But the sports guys are very, very bad at the politics.
Speaker 2: And part of the issue is is that the sports
Speaker 2: guy does not when it comes to things political, have
Speaker 2: to go deep. They don't have to do research, they
Speaker 2: don't have to engage philosophy.
Speaker 3: They don't have to understand the history.
Speaker 2: They don't have to understand how the dots connect.
Speaker 3: There is no study.
Speaker 2: There is only what will ensure I can possibly get
Speaker 2: the next interview. There is no question that what Lebron
Speaker 2: James said about Darryl Morey, that then general manager of
Speaker 2: the Houston Rockets, was wrong.
Speaker 3: Darryl Moray. What was the guy was mit? Where was
Speaker 3: he with his brain?
Speaker 2: He had to educate himself on the Hong Kongers because
Speaker 2: Darryl Moray said free Hong Kong.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 2: Lebron James wanted that sweet sweet China cash and didn't
Speaker 2: care whose neck got a boot, That's what happened. But
Speaker 2: oh no, Lebron is so great. You know he created
Speaker 2: a school. You know he did this, dude, that was
Speaker 2: an ugly thing for him to do. Throw Hong Kongers
Speaker 2: under the bus. Also floppy flop flop. Not so interested.
Speaker 2: And for the record, Michael Jordan was better case closed.
Speaker 2: But the sports guy having no desire to dig in
Speaker 2: on the philosophical, on the historical of how some of
Speaker 2: these political things move and maneuver, having no willingness to
Speaker 2: engage honestly and clearly on the subject at hand. Rather,
Speaker 2: they have been taught that their emotional fervor for their
Speaker 2: team or for the sport will suffice. It doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be a practical application. It doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: an intellectual pursuit.
Speaker 3: This is one of my laments.
Speaker 2: By the way of talk radio and Toto and the
Speaker 2: influencer class. All you have to do is show how
Speaker 2: angry you are. All you have to do is show
Speaker 2: this how real man does it and all this other
Speaker 2: horsecraft the idea that you can actually connect the dots politically, philosophically, historically,
Speaker 2: that is like.
Speaker 3: An ancient art.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, obscrewed, because this is kind of
Speaker 2: what I do in between smoking cigars and being quite humorous.
Speaker 2: And I want to keep doing the thing I do,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to keep doing it if it means
Speaker 2: I lose out on a couple hundred stations.
Speaker 3: Oh well, that's the way it goes.
Speaker 2: But the sports guy never ever, ever got checked on
Speaker 2: the emotion and having to ground that with the actual.
Speaker 3: Pursuit of the data in question.
Speaker 2: The emotion and the opinion, said louder is what got
Speaker 2: them success.
Speaker 3: I have nothing against Stephen A. Smith zero.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell he has done to
Speaker 2: get me to believe that when it comes to political
Speaker 2: acumen or political theory, he's a guy should be listening to.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at him. I'm not mad at him,
Speaker 2: and I only applaud the idea of the attempt. You
Speaker 2: got to go out there and do the thing. You
Speaker 2: have to go out there and do the thing, and
Speaker 2: you gotta get your butt kicked.
Speaker 3: How else do you think it happens.
Speaker 2: I've been at this for a while, and when I
Speaker 2: first started, I got to live in crap kicks.
Speaker 3: Out of me.
Speaker 2: Of course you did. You didn't think about this, what
Speaker 2: about that? How do you deal with the rejection? How
Speaker 2: do you deal with the response? How do you process
Speaker 2: to be able to connect it to other things, to
Speaker 2: be able to further prove a point a theory of philosophy.
Speaker 3: It takes time. At this stage.
Speaker 2: It is still about studying, research, and some of it
Speaker 2: is just muscle memory.
Speaker 3: You've already heard that.
Speaker 2: Thing before, so you know exactly where you're going and
Speaker 2: how you're going to respond to it. Where is the
Speaker 2: confrontation to their politics? And the answer is, for the
Speaker 2: sports guy, it doesn't exist. And it is why I
Speaker 2: have said from the beginning, when the sports guys get
Speaker 2: involved in the politics, dear gosh, are they terrible at it?
Speaker 3: Now? I don't say, shut up and talk about dribbling.
Speaker 3: You can do it.
Speaker 2: All you want, sports guys, but the vast majority of
Speaker 2: you suck at it.
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 2: You've got forty million subscribers, It doesn't matter. There are
Speaker 2: people with more subscribers than me. There are people with
Speaker 2: less subscribers than me. There are people with more subscribers
Speaker 2: who are very bad at this. There are people with
Speaker 2: less subscribers who are very good at this. It's just
Speaker 2: real you watch these people responding to Pat McAfee, not
Speaker 2: a one of them.
Speaker 3: I say it clearly, without any hesitation. They don't have
Speaker 3: a mind.
Speaker 2: It is PABLEM, pablem. If you had said, man, that's
Speaker 2: a nutty thing to do. Okay, it's a nutty thing
Speaker 2: to do. Just nutty.
Speaker 3: That's sitting with Donald Trump, that's nutty. What did you
Speaker 3: want them to do?
Speaker 2: Punch Trump in the face and they'll answer with yes,
Speaker 2: And that's.
Speaker 3: How broken they are.
Speaker 2: And by the way, that is actually a true story
Speaker 2: of somebody I know who was asked to appear at
Speaker 2: an event with Trump, and Trump hugged the guy and
Speaker 2: the response was you should have punched him in the face.
Speaker 2: Seriously the response he got. There's more to that story,
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to give it all right now.
Speaker 2: It has been talking about publicly, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: If I'm allowed to say it on air.
Speaker 2: They're broken people who have no interest in what you
Speaker 2: and I have an interest in, which is the actual
Speaker 2: pursuit of the understanding of the thing in question. They say,
Speaker 2: let me show how good and decent I am by
Speaker 2: calling Pat McAfee names, by insulting his children, by attacking
Speaker 2: his job and then these people over here will like
Speaker 2: me and oh, look at all the hits I got,
Speaker 2: Look at the clicks I got. And that was the
Speaker 2: last twenty four hours. That was the last twenty four hours. Guys,
Speaker 2: don't worry. Pat mcfeel me back, you know, in the
Speaker 2: barrel again. People coming at him. When you create success,
Speaker 2: it happens, they absolutely want to tear you down.
Speaker 3: Do I agree with Pat McFee politically. I don't know
Speaker 3: everything about Pat McFee. Politically. I've never had to sit
Speaker 3: down and talk to the guy.
Speaker 8: Politically.
Speaker 2: If I ever got the opportunity, the cigars are on me, Pat,
Speaker 2: I got, I got bourbon. It's all right here. It's
Speaker 2: not as big as your studio, but it's home. I'd agree,
Speaker 2: I disagree.
Speaker 3: What have you.
Speaker 2: He's gonna say something one day in the future and
Speaker 2: be like, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard.
Speaker 3: It's going to happen.
Speaker 2: He's not an idol and he shouldn't be treated like
Speaker 2: some kind of special angel.
Speaker 3: He sat with the president.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone just needs to move on with their day. Oh,
Speaker 2: and stop screaming things like pedophile. You all sound weird,
Speaker 2: really really weird. And as we learn and from Tim Walls.
Speaker 2: That's the worst thing someone can be. I'm Tony Katz
Speaker 2: and this right here is Tony Katz today. This was
Speaker 2: out there in West Hartford, Connecticut, and it was a
Speaker 2: school board meeting.
Speaker 3: I think it's a school board.
Speaker 2: Meeting Tony Katz and Tony Katz today because we're they're
Speaker 2: they're talking about paying teachers. And the school board member
Speaker 2: she she's up there on the dais and she's she's
Speaker 2: wearing she how do I she's wearing ears. It's it's
Speaker 2: maybe it's it's like a I don't know, it's like
Speaker 2: a hair band something to keep the hair back. She's
Speaker 2: a black woman, and it's it's in her hair and
Speaker 2: it looks like ears like she's a cat, a cat ears.
Speaker 2: I'm not a it's there on the line. I assume
Speaker 2: their poditional land and those are those are cat ears.
Speaker 2: Those are ears of a cat. And they've got like
Speaker 2: they've got like like like they've been be dazzled.
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, I don't know why she's wearing it.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe she thought she was being sassy and she
Speaker 2: is making an argument, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: That black teachers should be paid more so.
Speaker 9: I know we have like some efforts to increase diverse
Speaker 9: diversity in the district. So I'm wondering, especially around administration,
Speaker 9: are there financial incentives for black and brown people to
Speaker 9: work here. It's an extra burden quite frankly, to be
Speaker 9: a black and brown teacher and administrator in the district,
Speaker 9: And so I think we should start thinking about that
Speaker 9: financially if we're not already. But I know we call
Speaker 9: ourselves leaders, and I know we have an Office of
Speaker 9: Equity and Belonging, so I'm sure we could figure it out.
Speaker 3: We got money. That's what's Harford. It's an extra burden.
Speaker 2: Because you say so, or because you can probably guilt
Speaker 2: a couple of bucks out of some people. The bigoted
Speaker 2: madness is not going to end until the money train ends,
Speaker 2: you know that, right. People will continue to push every
Speaker 2: kind of nonsense thing they can because they think they
Speaker 2: can profit from it. There's some type of reward to get.
Speaker 2: If it's not financial, it's reputation capital.
Speaker 3: Why would you have someone like this on your school
Speaker 3: board or any part of your world.
Speaker 2: You know that that's nonsense, right, It's an extra burden,
Speaker 2: it says, I'm toning Kats.
Speaker 3: Three more things why, Yes, yes, I do.
Speaker 2: Tony Kats Tony Kats Today an absolutely pleasure.
Speaker 3: Guys, glad that you are here. What are three more things?
Speaker 2: These are things that should be front page news, but
Speaker 2: because of all the front page news, they don't make
Speaker 2: the front pages. And that's why I bring it to
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Speaker 3: Get on end come see it happen.
Speaker 2: In one of the weirder stories that I'd come across,
Speaker 2: Newsmax reporting that Paramount might leave California and is thinking.
Speaker 3: About moving to New York, I don't get it at all.
Speaker 2: How in the world could you say California is not working? No, wait,
Speaker 2: we all understand how you can say that, But how
Speaker 2: is it possible that New York would be better?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Part of this has to do with not just the
Speaker 2: running of the company at large, but has to do
Speaker 2: specifically with lawsuits and anti trust suits. So there are
Speaker 2: a series of Attorneys general that want to block the
Speaker 2: merger of Paramount with Warner Brothers Discovery. So Paramount is
Speaker 2: considering a move out of California. They're saying, we need
Speaker 2: to go now. I took this as they're looking to
Speaker 2: move to New York. Oh no, no, no, they're looking at
Speaker 2: moving CBS out of New York.
Speaker 3: I set it first.
Speaker 2: We were right here together, guys, what do we say?
Speaker 2: We set of Fox News, we set of Newsmax.
Speaker 3: What are you guys still doing in New York? What's
Speaker 3: wrong with you?
Speaker 2: Why in the world would you ever be headquartered in
Speaker 2: New York? Why would you do it? It's over Cynthia
Speaker 2: Nixon runs the city that communist and all her communists
Speaker 2: folk Zorammdani a living embodiment of the Red Green Alliance.
Speaker 3: Why would you be in that city? Why would you
Speaker 3: do it?
Speaker 2: This is a city and this is a state that
Speaker 2: doesn't do the most basic thing. And you asked me
Speaker 2: what the most basic thing is?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 2: Making sure people don't be on the sidewalk listen? One
Speaker 2: could hope and dream and that they would stop that,
Speaker 2: making sure that people could ride the subways not being killed.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be nice?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 2: The one thing that they don't do that they need
Speaker 2: to do is say we do things here the way
Speaker 2: we do things in the United States, and know where
Speaker 2: you came from doesn't matter as much. Public prayer where
Speaker 2: they overtake streets needs to be outlawed, including by bulldozer.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that if you want to get a permit
Speaker 2: and have an event in a public park somewhere, you're
Speaker 2: more than welcome to do that.
Speaker 3: I have zero problem with that whatsoever.
Speaker 2: But if you think you could just grab five hundred
Speaker 2: Muslims take over the streets and engage in prayer on
Speaker 2: the streets and everybody has to drive around you or
Speaker 2: walk around you, screw you, bulldozers. You'll move. We don't
Speaker 2: do that here. We don't do street takeovers. We don't
Speaker 2: allow religious takeovers of any kind.
Speaker 3: And in any case, scream and.
Speaker 2: Yell about Islamophobia and bigotry and religious freedom all you want.
Speaker 2: You do not have the freedom to stop traffic for
Speaker 2: your prayer, rugs. No, you don't, because you're not engaged
Speaker 2: in prayer in that way at all. You're engaged in
Speaker 2: moving and growing a political system by creating fear.
Speaker 3: I have no fear. You're wrong. Off, oh, off you go, that's.
Speaker 2: The answer, And these cities are not willing to fight
Speaker 2: that because ridiculous liberal white women like Cynthia Nixon want
Speaker 2: to say, oh, look how beautiful that is. Don't these
Speaker 2: people understand that they're doing something so important. We have
Speaker 2: freedom of religion here, it's not a religion. We allow
Speaker 2: these things. You allow the blocking of traffic. I hope
Speaker 2: you're going to enjoy the subjugation. Moving out of New
Speaker 2: York is the right thing to do. One must starve
Speaker 2: New York. Atlas Shrugg is a really good book. It
Speaker 2: must collapse. They want to collapse it. Let them.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I know that there are a lot of people will
Speaker 2: be like, well, Tony, don't you have to fight for things?
Speaker 2: I hear you, And I know people still in California
Speaker 2: is still fighting great great until it collapses. They're never
Speaker 2: going to learn. They're never going to learn. Now, there
Speaker 2: is this a gubernatorial race. Steve Hilton, he has a shot.
Speaker 2: One would think one would hope against Tavier Bessera. There's
Speaker 2: a chance here for him to be the guy for
Speaker 2: them to actually say we have a Republican governor. But
Speaker 2: Sarah and the Real Clear Politics average is up by
Speaker 2: twenty two points. Now, if I listen to Michigan and Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: This means that Steve Hilton is going to win because
Speaker 2: that pulling.
Speaker 3: Is just a mess. And I think it was a.
Speaker 2: News nation that wrote a story what went wrong in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: You're trying to make cover for what happened here. The
Speaker 2: Polsters don't know how to measure these communists. They don't
Speaker 2: know how to measure it. Yet they want to argue
Speaker 2: with Wisconsins because David Crowley, who won, had dropped out
Speaker 2: of the.
Speaker 3: Race and then came back in the race.
Speaker 2: They didn't have enough time to put together the polls
Speaker 2: properly to account for him. Maybe, but doesn't explain what
Speaker 2: happened in Michigan, where he had the same issue. Abdul
Speaker 2: Sayed up by thirteen and a half and he wins
Speaker 2: by one percent. As a massive fail. There's a problem
Speaker 2: in the methodology, there's a problem in who you're counting.
Speaker 2: So moving out of New York I get. Moving out
Speaker 2: of California, I get. The acknowledgement is that leaving California's
Speaker 2: among the company's options as they fight anti trust lawsuits
Speaker 2: brought by California in eleven other states, and those states
Speaker 2: are arguing that combining Paramount and Warner would give the
Speaker 2: merged company excessive power over theatrical movie distribution and cable television.
Speaker 2: If there's anything that the left hates is when you
Speaker 2: have too much.
Speaker 3: Power, not when they have too much power.
Speaker 2: When you have too much power in all these things,
Speaker 2: I don't mind that we look out for monopoly. I
Speaker 2: get this, and I do find myself at odds with
Speaker 2: myself in terms of government interference here.
Speaker 3: But I like the idea of.
Speaker 2: Punishing the abusers who said you had to give them
Speaker 2: tax money, screw them. When Zaramondani goes after what's his name, Griffin,
Speaker 2: the hedge fund guy, what's his first name, I can't
Speaker 2: remember his first name right now, Ken Griffin. Ken Griffin
Speaker 2: is right to say, well, forget it, we'll leave New York.
Speaker 2: We'll take all our business with us. We won't build
Speaker 2: this building, We'll do it in Miami. I think you
Speaker 2: should come to the Midwest, mister Griffin. But hey, that's
Speaker 2: just me. He's the CEO of Citadel. Then you have
Speaker 2: red Stone that are working on bringing down property taxes.
Speaker 2: So this is a story out of the Wall Street
Speaker 2: Journal about Wyoming, where them at North Carolina Florida, Oklahoma
Speaker 2: have property tax limits or rollbacks on the ballot this November.
Speaker 3: Lots and lots and states are doing this.
Speaker 2: You've had Ron DeSantis of Florida saying we should eliminate
Speaker 2: other property tax and for the record, we should eliminate
Speaker 2: the property tax. I have seen economists saying, you don't
Speaker 2: understand what the property tax does. I absolutely understand what
Speaker 2: the property tax does. Well, how else are we going
Speaker 2: to fund schools and things that are important. You don't
Speaker 2: want these services, You want to destroy your city.
Speaker 3: None of that is true.
Speaker 2: By the way, you're terrible at your job, so called economists.
Speaker 2: I will argue again for the people in the cheap
Speaker 2: seats that I understand that states can levy taxes.
Speaker 3: I understand that the federal government can levy tax in the.
Speaker 2: Role that the federal government plays, I oppose vehemently and
Speaker 2: with everything in me income taxes. The federal government is
Speaker 2: not a partner in my labor. I shouldn't have to
Speaker 2: pay them as one. It is disgusting, it is an affront.
Speaker 2: It is wrong. The adding of the income tax to
Speaker 2: the US Constitution was a mistake, part of the horrors
Speaker 2: of nineteen thirteen by the way, it's the sixteenth Amendment.
Speaker 3: For those who playing the home game.
Speaker 2: The income tax has done zero good in the United States.
Speaker 2: It has only divided people, utilized as a cudgel as
Speaker 2: a weapon against those who politically disagree with No value
Speaker 2: has come from the income tax. It was not necessary,
Speaker 2: It was a control feature. It has failed us. We
Speaker 2: should eliminate it immediately. We should rescind the sixteenth Amendment
Speaker 2: to the Constitution, just like we did the twenty first
Speaker 2: Amendment to rescind the eighteenth. That, by the way, was
Speaker 2: the fact that we like Bourbon and it tastes good,
Speaker 2: just devicious. When it comes to the states, the states
Speaker 2: can have income taxes.
Speaker 3: While I disagree with it, still, at least.
Speaker 2: I can move to a state that has no income
Speaker 2: tax or a low income tax.
Speaker 3: I can make the decision. I can vote with my feet.
Speaker 2: What no state should be allowed to do is engage
Speaker 2: in a property tax. A property tax dictates that you
Speaker 2: do not actually own what it is you own. If
Speaker 2: any economists would like to argue this with me, feel free,
Speaker 2: but you're wrong. If I have to pay a tax
Speaker 2: on land I have already purchased year after year after year,
Speaker 2: after year, and if I don't pay the t you
Speaker 2: the state can take the land from me. I don't
Speaker 2: own the land. If I have to pay the VIG
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Own the land. Well, Tony, you get all.
Speaker 2: The upside value, and the value increases, yes, and I
Speaker 2: take the downside of the value decreases. None of that matters.
Speaker 2: That's my investment. Of course I gain or I could lose.
Speaker 2: But whether I gain or whether I lose, You've got
Speaker 2: your hand in my pocket, you scumbag state government saying
Speaker 2: gimme mine.
Speaker 3: And I don't think you put any skin in the game. Kitten,
Speaker 3: you ain't taking no risk to the loss.
Speaker 2: You just keep saying, in the words of Goodfellows, blank,
Speaker 2: you pay me, that's you.
Speaker 3: Why would you have this right? Well, how else are
Speaker 3: you gonna find? Schools?
Speaker 2: Nineteen thousand other ways to do this? I didn't say
Speaker 2: that there couldn't be taxes. I'm a believer in low taxes.
Speaker 2: I'm a believer in ending the income tax. I'm a
Speaker 2: believer in ending the property tax. I never said there
Speaker 2: would be no tax.
Speaker 3: I live in the real world.
Speaker 2: If you want amenities, if you want services, they have
Speaker 2: to get paid for.
Speaker 3: Some things government can do and want it to do.
Speaker 2: Some things they can't do and they should never do,
Speaker 2: and then they would be better stewards.
Speaker 3: Of our dollars.
Speaker 2: There is no argument to the property tax other than control.
Speaker 2: Eliminating the property tax is the right smart course in
Speaker 2: every state, including my own and including yours. And the
Speaker 2: people who say, well, you can't fund things otherwise radically
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Speaker 3: More to get to this is Tony Katz.
Speaker 2: Today, WNBA gathered and they said, we need to define
Speaker 2: what a woman is.
Speaker 3: We need to be able to set clear.
Speaker 2: That we in the WNBA understand what a woman is
Speaker 2: and we're gonna we're gonna let everybody know. So let's
Speaker 2: let's let's sit down and discuss this and what is
Speaker 2: a woman. And I don't know what kind of meeting
Speaker 2: they had, but they then they then put out a statement.
Speaker 3: And the statement reads.
Speaker 2: Today's meeting covered a wide range of topics, including ongoing
Speaker 2: discussions on transgender athletes and the continued hate and vitriol
Speaker 2: direct it at players online. We will continue to engage
Speaker 2: all league stakeholders in the coming weeks and months. By
Speaker 2: the way, anytime they use the term stakeholder, nothing happened.
Speaker 2: We will approach these important conversations thoughtfully and in alignment
Speaker 2: with the values of our league. There are no immediate
Speaker 2: eligibility matters affecting the WNBA, and we strongly denounce the
Speaker 2: bad faith efforts to use these topics to demean or
Speaker 2: marginalize others. Translation. Yeah, we have no idea what a
Speaker 2: woman is. We don't know what it is. We don't
Speaker 2: know what a woman is. We're not gonna define what
Speaker 2: a woman is. We're not gonna be forced to find
Speaker 2: what a woman is. We don't want to do this.
Speaker 2: We're gonna just be in favor of the bigoted league
Speaker 2: being the bigoted league. We are not gonna do this
Speaker 2: until the very last second, even if we have to.
Speaker 3: That's pretty incredible.
Speaker 2: More incredible that actor Hugh Laurie, you know from the
Speaker 2: TV show House. He was posting about this on social
Speaker 2: media and some comic by the name of Graham Lenihan.
Speaker 2: I don't know Graham calling him cowardly, and so Hugh
Speaker 2: Laurie is like, firstly, blank off and secondly, no, I
Speaker 2: don't believe men should compete against women.
Speaker 3: I thought it made that pretty clear if you'd looked.
Speaker 3: But obviously you must get onto your next and I
Speaker 3: don't know what he went on from there. So the
Speaker 3: job wnba, I'm Tony Katz.
Speaker 1: Why from vall Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America.
Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. So the only question is who
Speaker 2: controls the strait? Well, I guess maybe the only question
Speaker 2: is are we actually still at war with Iran? If
Speaker 2: nothing is happening? Well, maybe the only question is what
Speaker 2: is actually happening to begin with?
Speaker 3: Who's doing what? When we're why?
Speaker 2: And how can we get at least a straight and
Speaker 2: honest answer. Not what I want, not maybe what you want?
Speaker 2: And we could possibly be in conflicts. I love you
Speaker 2: either way, But what is actually happening?
Speaker 3: What is the goal?
Speaker 2: What is the objective of the United State of the
Speaker 2: Iranians of the Middle East? And how do we get
Speaker 2: what we want? And does that mean somebody else has
Speaker 2: to get what they want? Tony Katz, Tony Katz today,
Speaker 2: good to be with you. Stephen Yates joins us right now.
Speaker 2: You know his work over there at the Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 2: Now his focus is China and China policy and China relations.
Speaker 2: But because of that, he has had a lifetime of
Speaker 2: understanding world relationships and how this geopolitics works, including from
Speaker 2: his time in the George Bush White House with Vice
Speaker 2: President Cheney. Let's break it down a little bit, Sir.
Speaker 2: I hear from President Trump that we control the Strait
Speaker 2: of our moves one hundred percent, There's no question about it.
Speaker 3: I hear from the Iranians.
Speaker 2: Or whomever it is speaking for the Iranians that they
Speaker 2: control the Strait one hundred percent. I have got very
Speaker 2: little in terms of tankers going through the Strait, and
Speaker 2: I have got oil that has been back above eighty
Speaker 2: dollars in some places, eighty five dollars a barrel.
Speaker 3: Stephen Yates, who controls what? Well?
Speaker 11: Tony, I think we've got a sort of perfect muddle
Speaker 11: to a degree, both sides telling the truth, especially from
Speaker 11: their point of view, and so the imperfect picture that
Speaker 11: we can put together is that there's more shipping traffic
Speaker 11: transiting the Strait of Hormuz and oil and natural gas
Speaker 11: coming and going from the non Iran destinations than is
Speaker 11: being accounted for by private trackers. That's partly due to
Speaker 11: signals being turned off on those vessels for security purposes
Speaker 11: and being escorted by the US military, And so the
Speaker 11: US government sources have higher numbers of the ships coming
Speaker 11: and going. In fact, over the last weekend talking about
Speaker 11: at numbers that pre date the war, and those the
Speaker 11: drop off that has held for several several months.
Speaker 12: So on the one hand, that's true.
Speaker 11: Militarily, we definitely have control of the straits, and we
Speaker 11: definitely have Iran pinned in.
Speaker 12: On the other hand, they are.
Speaker 11: Still completely capable of engaging in economic terrorism.
Speaker 12: And what I mean.
Speaker 11: By that is all it takes is one off the
Speaker 11: threats here or there, occasional attacks here or there, and
Speaker 11: it completely shapes the behavior of your adversary. Those adversary
Speaker 11: could be the insurance companies that jack rates so that.
Speaker 12: Ships don't want to move.
Speaker 11: That adversary could be regional actors that recoil and try
Speaker 11: to pressure the administration to engage in concessions and endless
Speaker 11: negotiations that by time for recovery.
Speaker 12: But this is the textbook definition of terrorism.
Speaker 11: You use the threat and reality of occasional force in
Speaker 11: order to get an outsized political, economic, or other strategic
Speaker 11: reaction out of your targets.
Speaker 12: And that's what leads to this stalemate.
Speaker 2: Let's take a step back in something you said, because
Speaker 2: I don't think people understand and I don't claim this
Speaker 2: is my area of expertise. We have more tankers that
Speaker 2: are going through because they're turning off the trackers.
Speaker 3: Walk me through how that works well.
Speaker 12: For though, there are apps.
Speaker 11: That you can go to on the internet, and there
Speaker 11: are certainly high priced commercial services that will give you
Speaker 11: very very clear data.
Speaker 12: And that's when everyone's sort of GPS.
Speaker 11: Signal is on and they can they can sort of
Speaker 11: like air traffic control can see where every flying object
Speaker 11: is or seafaring object is. In this case, we're looking
Speaker 11: at the seafaring objects, and for both safety and the
Speaker 11: economics of scale of tracking things, they will have signals
Speaker 11: that you can be able to detect where these lumbering
Speaker 11: objects are that go on the sea. They're way down
Speaker 11: so heavily. I don't even understand the physics of how
Speaker 11: they float, much less move. But as they go they
Speaker 11: have signals on, so for security purposes, sort of like
Speaker 11: going stealth. If you're in the air, you have all
Speaker 11: things turned off, and that's dangerous if you are at
Speaker 11: risk of bumping into things. But if you're being escorted
Speaker 11: by a military force, then you have less of that
Speaker 11: safety concern. So those international services are not in fact
Speaker 11: able to track where all of these vessels are when
Speaker 11: they are cloaked, or to have their signals turned off.
Speaker 12: And so some things are moving. Do I believe that
Speaker 12: they are moving at pre war levels? That's hard to fathom.
Speaker 11: You think that more of that would be seen and
Speaker 11: you would see more of that reflected in the markets.
Speaker 12: At the same time, as you noted the price.
Speaker 11: Of oil being in the eighties, that's way down from
Speaker 11: the one hundred plus of the panic rates. It's not
Speaker 11: down to sort of the fifty to seventy range that
Speaker 11: was sort of pre war, but it's ticklishly close to that,
Speaker 11: which tells me some things are moving. Whether it's the
Speaker 11: diverted fuels, whether it's the escorted shifts.
Speaker 12: Some things are moving.
Speaker 11: So we're not seeing the picture, which fails the first
Speaker 11: rule of politics in my book, which I learned from TV.
Speaker 12: So it has to be true. It's not enough to
Speaker 12: do good. You have to be seen doing good.
Speaker 11: And it's hard for the world, everyday Americans and even
Speaker 11: market analysts to see the good that's happening.
Speaker 2: You know how heavy that statement is, right, because you're
Speaker 2: talking perception versus reality. And this is where people who
Speaker 2: want to be all Trump all the time and people
Speaker 2: who want to be all against Trump all the time
Speaker 2: fail in the conversation talking to Stephen Yates to the
Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation, because perception is reality. You're not wrong when
Speaker 2: you discuss where the oil prices are. We're not at
Speaker 2: one hundred and ten dollars a barrel, but when you
Speaker 2: tell me oil's got to be at seventy five dollars
Speaker 2: a barrel in order to be like, hey, look how
Speaker 2: oil prices are down. Gas prices are down, everything's good,
Speaker 2: and we're at eighty five dollars a barrel, and we
Speaker 2: saw it go up because Iran is saying to the
Speaker 2: United States, forget you, We're going to do whatever we want.
Speaker 2: That is that puts the president in a position I
Speaker 2: view of weakness, of perceived weakness. Never mind the idea
Speaker 2: of this back and forth. We control the straight, No,
Speaker 2: we control the straight. But go back again for a moment.
Speaker 2: You talk about insurance rates and you talk about escorts.
Speaker 2: On the idea of escorts, this is I think where
Speaker 2: a lot of people have been. How is it possible
Speaker 2: that we don't have a series of destroyers just lined
Speaker 2: up on both sides of the strait? How have we
Speaker 2: not gotten the Saudis and others to line up some
Speaker 2: forces on both sides of the strait and we just
Speaker 2: make sure that nothing gets through. We make sure that
Speaker 2: the tankers get through, that the Iranians can't do nothing.
Speaker 3: They're finished, They're complete. We do it by force.
Speaker 2: So when you talk about escort, this is what people
Speaker 2: are asking, how is this not happening already?
Speaker 11: And mass It's a painfully clear and appropriate question for
Speaker 11: which I don't have a good answer, because it's exactly
Speaker 11: what I would have done months ago, and I think
Speaker 11: we have the capability to do so. I think we
Speaker 11: have been clear that our governing ethos is to press
Speaker 11: the free riders of the world that you are going
Speaker 11: to have skin in the game. You are going to
Speaker 11: put fuel in the tank. You are going to fund this.
Speaker 11: We are helping you, and you are going to pay
Speaker 11: for us helping you. And part of that is you're
Speaker 11: going to share some of the risk. We're not going
Speaker 11: to stand out here as the only targets. You're going
Speaker 11: to stand shoulder to shoulder in doing something that ensures
Speaker 11: freedom of navigation for you to thrive and your people
Speaker 11: to be safe. That is the way I understood the
Speaker 11: Trump Great Realignment was meant to be. It's something I
Speaker 11: am million percent agree with and strongly support. I think
Speaker 11: we have done some of those things, but we aren't
Speaker 11: doing enough of those things, and we aren't being seen
Speaker 11: doing enough of those things, and that, I think is
Speaker 11: the challenge.
Speaker 12: We have to move in that direction for this to
Speaker 12: be sustained.
Speaker 11: And I think that there is a way to not
Speaker 11: just spin a win, but for there to be a
Speaker 11: real transformation that people can be proud of and can
Speaker 11: hold and is worth it. But we aren't doing enough
Speaker 11: of what you just said that I completely agree with,
Speaker 11: and things should have been done long ago.
Speaker 2: Talking to Stephen Yates the Heritage Foundation Heritage dot org.
Speaker 2: His focus is China policy, but his history is that
Speaker 2: of full geopolitics in the region, whether it be the
Speaker 2: Far East or the Middle East. I am somebody who
Speaker 2: believes that we should have taken out the regime. And
Speaker 2: when this first took place back in February, you were
Speaker 2: the first person I was texting with. You were the
Speaker 2: person I was reaching out to. I was preparing for
Speaker 2: a live event and I was trying to get data
Speaker 2: from you to understand exactly what it was that I
Speaker 2: was seeing here. And I certainly believe then that taking
Speaker 2: out the regime is I think job number one.
Speaker 3: And when I talk about how the president.
Speaker 2: Is viewed, and I know that the president does not
Speaker 2: like to be viewed as weak at any level in
Speaker 2: any place, there is a view here that he is.
Speaker 2: Because you can only talk about Iran can't get a
Speaker 2: nuclear weapons so much. In the end, you have to
Speaker 2: end the regime that is trying to achieve this goal,
Speaker 2: and they may still be working at it if everything's possible.
Speaker 2: You know, right now, you can't say they can't have
Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon then leave and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: the centrifuge start spinning up. Legacy is shattered. And this
Speaker 2: brought up a conversation that I had with Leland Vidder
Speaker 2: of News Nation about the idea of will the IRGC
Speaker 2: the Iranians have the will to hold out and the
Speaker 2: United States doesn't have the will. I don't believe that
Speaker 2: in Toto, because I haven't seen whether or not the
Speaker 2: president will or won't.
Speaker 3: All I know is he's not doing the bombings, but.
Speaker 2: He's still around, and he's still there, keeping to an
Speaker 2: extent his powder dry and waiting to see what happens.
Speaker 2: Is this a willpower fight? Is this about what political wills?
Speaker 2: Is this about whether or not the president has the
Speaker 2: stomach for this, whether this is really in his desire
Speaker 2: in his wheelhouse. Where do you think the real battle
Speaker 2: is in terms of ideology between the IRGC and where
Speaker 2: President Trump is well.
Speaker 11: I think first there's a caveat for how to even
Speaker 11: talk about this.
Speaker 12: I think we have to be careful to fall into.
Speaker 11: The traps of all or nothing kinds of lenses, because
Speaker 11: it's just not the way the world is.
Speaker 12: It's not the way warfare is, and it's not the.
Speaker 11: Way this mix of forces and pressures and other kinds
Speaker 11: of activities is going.
Speaker 12: To play out. The war is always a bit about will.
Speaker 11: And capability and sometimes patients, and patients can often be
Speaker 11: mistaken for weakness. It can be weakness, it can be appeasement.
Speaker 11: But it depends on what the ultimate aim is and
Speaker 11: are there measurable results in a reasonable period of time,
Speaker 11: And what is reasonable is subjective. That comes down to politics,
Speaker 11: domestic and international. So what I mean by all this
Speaker 11: gobbledegook I just sort of spewed out here is that
Speaker 11: the president has some very powerful things in place that
Speaker 11: we're not in place for the decade plus from the
Speaker 11: bogus Iran Deal to the present. We have maximum financial
Speaker 11: pressure in place. We've gone after bank accounts that matter
Speaker 11: in very serious, real.
Speaker 12: And impactful ways.
Speaker 11: We have a blockade in place that has having a
Speaker 11: real and meaningful impact on the coffers of the theocratic
Speaker 11: regime in Tehran, and there is no indication any of
Speaker 11: that is coming off anytime soon.
Speaker 12: And so that form of maximum pressure is greater.
Speaker 11: Than has ever been applied to this regime in the
Speaker 11: near half century of its existence. And there is there
Speaker 11: a resolve to keep it in place indefinitely if necessary,
Speaker 11: to starve the regime of the resources and wait for
Speaker 11: them to be cannibalized by their people or among.
Speaker 12: The power centers of them.
Speaker 11: That is not the timeline that we were led to
Speaker 11: believe at the beginning of this operation. But it is
Speaker 11: not appeasement, it is not weakness, it is not failure.
Speaker 11: It's just different and longer, and ultimately it might be
Speaker 11: what works. It isn't what I would have chosen in
Speaker 11: terms of the option set going forward, But it is
Speaker 11: not the sort of all or nothing kind of fork
Speaker 11: in the road that we instinctively go to when thinking
Speaker 11: about these things.
Speaker 12: There is more than one way to change this regime.
Speaker 12: There's more than one timeline on which to change this regime.
Speaker 12: The question is can we.
Speaker 11: Hold allies, can we hold markets, can we hold our
Speaker 11: domestic politics? Do we have the resolve and the strategy
Speaker 11: to do those things to allow this longer, more patient
Speaker 11: path to work.
Speaker 2: And I would only argue that one of the things
Speaker 2: that the administration didn't do and should have done was
Speaker 2: explained why, in much greater detail, made the full on
Speaker 2: appeal to America and said let's be in this together.
Speaker 2: But that is a political consideration, I agree, and I
Speaker 2: just they didn't do this because the president believes I'm
Speaker 2: doing this and everyone's gonna go with me and it'll
Speaker 2: get explained as we go. And that's just not how
Speaker 2: this works. But to the idea of the political considerations.
Speaker 2: Talking to Stephen Yates to the Heritage Foundation this story
Speaker 2: over at Fox News that you have Pakistan, Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 2: and Turkey considering a pact to work together. Now, I
Speaker 2: have argued that the one thing that the president has
Speaker 2: done is he's rethought Middle East policy. He has forced
Speaker 2: the Middle East to rethink Middle East policy. Everything is
Speaker 2: now different. The Abraham Accords a huge part of this,
Speaker 2: and getting rid of this regime, getting rid of this
Speaker 2: Iranian threat allows the Middle East to have a much
Speaker 2: more stable future. But if Turkey, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia
Speaker 2: are getting together, you could argue this is about trade
Speaker 2: and creating a world without an Iranian regime, or this
Speaker 2: is about creating a new power base to be able
Speaker 2: to deal with the fact that the United States might
Speaker 2: be the hegemonic power now in the Middle East once
Speaker 2: the Ranian regime is gone.
Speaker 3: What is your take on this alleged relationship.
Speaker 11: Well Tony, if you'll allow a shameless plug and encourage
Speaker 11: people to listen to the latest Nation States with Yates,
Speaker 11: it talks about how the map of the Middle East
Speaker 11: was rewritten, we go into some of the deeper things
Speaker 11: that are behind the question. I think it's an important
Speaker 11: question we get at this, specifically this coalition Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan.
Speaker 11: Part of this is the peril of when you empower
Speaker 11: intermediaries to operate on your behalf, to try to come
Speaker 11: to what might be peace terms, whatever the status quo,
Speaker 11: after major military operations are over, and we always have
Speaker 11: to be careful. It's one thing to allow the good
Speaker 11: offices to condemn conversations that otherwise wouldn't happen, But when
Speaker 11: you allow the intermediaries to drag your strategy, then I
Speaker 11: think you're putting a little bit of American strategy and
Speaker 11: interests at risk. And I think the administration is pulled
Speaker 11: back from whether it was Oman, Pakistan or others. But
Speaker 11: they've been empowered and emboldened in some ways in recent
Speaker 11: months in ways they haven't for a long time. And
Speaker 11: of course American interests aren't going to be the same
Speaker 11: as Saudi Arabian interests, but Saudi has a big footprint
Speaker 11: in the Middle East, and we have to continue to
Speaker 11: kind of mind that garden I think a longer term
Speaker 11: and it's better than putting our bets on the theocratic
Speaker 11: empire coming out of Tehran if that isn't stopped in
Speaker 11: the near future.
Speaker 12: So there is this mix.
Speaker 11: I don't like this alternative out there that they're floating.
Speaker 11: I think it is not a happy or friendly signal
Speaker 11: to Washington, which has reached out in good faith with
Speaker 11: all three of these governments, yes in the not too
Speaker 11: distant past, and has done some strategic things that very
Speaker 11: much benefit each of them, and sort of float this
Speaker 11: idea that they are somehow the condominium that's going to
Speaker 11: shape the future of the Middle East that gets away
Speaker 11: from the abraham accords our architecture and reason for being.
Speaker 11: And so I think some work needs to be, you know,
Speaker 11: to encourage some of these to put their horses back
Speaker 11: in the stable a little bit and let's finish what's
Speaker 11: right in front of us. And until that is resolved,
Speaker 11: then there's no pointing you talking about these things, and
Speaker 11: we'd have to pull back on some of the friendly
Speaker 11: things we've offered to you if you're proving not to
Speaker 11: be helpful into doing something that matters to the United States.
Speaker 2: And I do absolutely believe that when we talk about
Speaker 2: a deal that has to be made, the deal that
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be made with the RAN, it has
Speaker 2: to be made with Saudi Arabia, Bakra and the UAE,
Speaker 2: that they are going to be active participants in bringing
Speaker 2: an end to this regime and remembering who their friends are.
Speaker 3: They got to get some skin in the game.
Speaker 2: This is like the United States discussing how NATO nations
Speaker 2: have to pay for their own security against the Russians.
Speaker 2: Stephen Yates. Find them at Heritage Dot Oregon. Of course,
Speaker 2: Nation States with the Yates. The podcast available on your
Speaker 2: favorite podcast platform. Good to see sir, We'll talk soon.
Speaker 2: Keep it here. This is Tony Katz today. I thought
Speaker 2: this was some of the best audio of the day.
Speaker 2: It's Row Conna, the progressive from California, the congressman who
Speaker 2: backs Nazi Graham Platner, sexual abuser, alleged gram Platner, and
Speaker 2: now he's coming out to say, you know, I didn't.
Speaker 3: See the signs. You also endorsed Graham Planter, another left
Speaker 3: candidate who flamed out in the end, to say the
Speaker 3: least amidst scandals, what did you learn from that experience?
Speaker 5: I should have listened to my wife. She's almost never
Speaker 5: made me do an interview. She said, you make it
Speaker 5: clear on the record that I.
Speaker 13: Was opposed to you endorsing him, But on a deeper level,
Speaker 13: there were signs of toxicity that other groups had picked up,
Speaker 13: and I needed to be more sensitive to it.
Speaker 5: I said, I got that call wrong. I made a mistake,
Speaker 5: and it means being more reflective.
Speaker 3: Is that what it means?
Speaker 2: You made a mistake and you learned, and now everything
Speaker 2: is is.
Speaker 3: Fine and dandy. Come now, oh stop it.
Speaker 2: No one's buying that this guy was your ideological kinfolk
Speaker 2: and you didn't care what he did as long as
Speaker 2: you won the Senate and got power. That's the only
Speaker 2: thing that mattered. Congressman, Sometimes we get things wrong. I agree,
Speaker 2: and I could be a guy of total grace and say,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm so glad you finally see this
Speaker 2: and understand that that's great.
Speaker 3: You're late to the party, but I'm glad that you're here. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: The kind of party you wanted to have was super weird.
Speaker 2: It was like a degree or two away from a
Speaker 2: Sean Diddy Combs freak cough. You and I party different.
Speaker 2: My friend and I have no interest in partying with you.
Speaker 2: You wanted the bad guy. That's his story. This is
Speaker 2: Tony Kats today. What is the effect of this economy
Speaker 2: on small business? GDP one point five percent? But we
Speaker 2: had doctor Matt will, the economist at the University of Indianapolis,
Speaker 2: say that number is very misleading because government spending was down,
Speaker 2: and if government spending is part of GDP, it's a
Speaker 2: false number. The underneath is a far far better look.
Speaker 2: We have inflation that you look at. It was point
Speaker 2: one for the month. My gosh, that's terrific and wonderful,
Speaker 2: but still three point four percent overall. That doesn't get
Speaker 2: us to the target rate of the FED. Tony Katz,
Speaker 2: good to be with you. The Small Business Administrator Kelly
Speaker 2: Leffler joins me right now. She is actually the administrator
Speaker 2: of the Small Business Administration.
Speaker 3: We need a better name for that man, We really
Speaker 3: and truly do.
Speaker 2: Visiting the Indiana State Fair today with Senator Todd Young.
Speaker 2: Make sure he holds the umbrella for you, right, He's
Speaker 2: got to do that like a marine holding umbrella for BARACKO. B.
Speaker 2: He's gotta call you wherever you go, man.
Speaker 10: Make sure that happens well, good morning, Tony, and I'll
Speaker 10: just put on a baseball hat. We'll be good to
Speaker 10: go walking around that fair.
Speaker 3: I mean it's Indianapolis, Indian's Day. We will we will
Speaker 3: get you one. That is an easy one.
Speaker 10: Love that. Thank you. Don't tell my brave friends back home.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, we don't tell Atlanta people anything. That's
Speaker 3: part of our code here.
Speaker 2: Let us let us start where we start, which is,
Speaker 2: how is small business doing in the overall sense? In
Speaker 2: an economy that has some solid fundamentals, a tremendous amount
Speaker 2: of AI investing, things still do move along, but it
Speaker 2: isn't as easy as people want it to be.
Speaker 10: Well, Tony, I am glad you asked because small business
Speaker 10: is in growth mode, and you mentioned some economic data
Speaker 10: at the top, And look, the data does point to
Speaker 10: tremendous growth. But I also get to see it on
Speaker 10: the ground every day. So when you hear that we
Speaker 10: have all time record business formation in America every single
Speaker 10: month of twenty twenty six new businesses starting at a
Speaker 10: clip of about a half million.
Speaker 6: New businesses, I can back that up on.
Speaker 10: The ground and say factories are expanding, We're adding jobs,
Speaker 10: and manufacturing and connstruction and that's because we have certainty
Speaker 10: now around working family tax cuts, one hundred percent accelerated expensing.
Speaker 10: So the impetus to build in this country is already
Speaker 10: driving our manufacturing data through the roof. We have all
Speaker 10: time record exports in America because President Trump said We're
Speaker 10: going to have fair trade, not free trade. So I'm
Speaker 10: going to be visiting manufacturers right here in Indianapolis, small
Speaker 10: manufacturers which make up the vast majority of all American producers,
Speaker 10: and they're telling us every single day we can grow
Speaker 10: and higher because we have fair trade, like we're not
Speaker 10: getting Chinese imports dumped on our heads. And that's that
Speaker 10: story is building across this country.
Speaker 2: The idea of where what build the growth You mentioned
Speaker 2: the taxes and certainty in the tax code. Is it
Speaker 2: is it lower taxes that brings people to the table
Speaker 2: to be small business owners to try or is it
Speaker 2: regulatory reduction making it easier to open a business that
Speaker 2: brings people to the table.
Speaker 6: Well, you're right, it's both of it.
Speaker 10: Because you think about the cost of regulation, which under
Speaker 10: the Biden administration went up.
Speaker 6: Accumulated five trillion dollars.
Speaker 10: That meant every small business owner had to spend hundreds
Speaker 10: of hours extra every single year to comply with regulation.
Speaker 10: That's a tax, and the Trump administration is rolling it back, including.
Speaker 3: It's the SBA.
Speaker 10: One of our key jobs is not just helping small
Speaker 10: businesses access capital through lending, but it's also deregulation. And
Speaker 10: we've rolled back about one hundred billion, whether it's in
Speaker 10: the agriculture sector, working with EPA to rollback DEAF or
Speaker 10: USCA and other things.
Speaker 6: And so we are deregulating at a really steady clip.
Speaker 10: They've got to have that certainty that they have an
Speaker 10: environment that creates the conditions for their success. But if
Speaker 10: they see a socialist regime coming in and saying you're
Speaker 10: going to pay high taxes, you're going to do what
Speaker 10: the government tells you to do, that's going to kill
Speaker 10: small business. You cannot have socialism in small business coexist.
Speaker 2: Talking to Kelly Leffler, she runs the Small Business Administration,
Speaker 2: the administrator of the Small Business Administration.
Speaker 3: One of the things that you've been talking.
Speaker 2: About Forbes with the story that you want to raise
Speaker 2: the five million dollar SBA lending cap. Now, I've been
Speaker 2: a small business owner for a good part of my life.
Speaker 3: I know zero about these rules.
Speaker 2: What are the rules right now and what does the
Speaker 2: lifting of the cap.
Speaker 3: What do you hope that achieves.
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, if you think about the five million dollar cap,
Speaker 10: that's the limit on what you could borrow under an
Speaker 10: SBA guaranteed loan. SBA loans are put out through local
Speaker 10: lenders and then we simply provide a government guarantee to
Speaker 10: that bank.
Speaker 6: That gives it more confidence to make that loan.
Speaker 10: That cap hasn't been raised since about twenty ten, so
Speaker 10: in today's dollars, that loan size is actually much smaller.
Speaker 10: And then we see the manufacturing boom, and that's really
Speaker 10: SBA's roots is in small manufacturers. We came out of
Speaker 10: the Small Defense Plants Administration when President Eisenhower came home from.
Speaker 6: World War Two as General Eisenhower.
Speaker 10: He said, we've got to keep our industrial base strong,
Speaker 10: and so in peacetime he created the SBA, and you know,
Speaker 10: to build a factory, a small manufacturer like i'll see
Speaker 10: today with fewer than one hundred employees. If you're going
Speaker 10: to buy a robotic welder that your welder is going
Speaker 10: to be working with, you're going to sought by CNC
Speaker 10: machines or planing.
Speaker 6: Those are very extensive pieces of equipment in addition.
Speaker 10: To the land and the building and all that. So
Speaker 10: we want to double the loan size at ten millions.
Speaker 2: A weird question which involves whether or not this is
Speaker 2: the proper role of government to begin with. I believe
Speaker 2: in support of small business. I'm certainly a believer in
Speaker 2: no income tax. I've been very very clear on these subjects.
Speaker 2: I can walk down this road, but on the idea
Speaker 2: of backing alone, is that the proper role of government
Speaker 2: to begin with.
Speaker 10: I am so glad you asked there are no weird
Speaker 10: questions because this is one of the most misunderstood effects
Speaker 10: of the SBA lending, which is all we do is
Speaker 10: provide the government guarantee and who pays for that guarantee
Speaker 10: the lender, and we operate at zero subsidy, which means
Speaker 10: we're cost neutral to the taxpayer, so the banks are
Speaker 10: just subsidizing any of the default rates. The banks take
Speaker 10: the first loss, and so our program by law, has
Speaker 10: to operate at.
Speaker 6: No cost to taxpayer, which.
Speaker 10: Is funded through banks paying servicing and guarantee fees over
Speaker 10: the long haul. And then what it actually does.
Speaker 6: If you look at Indiana, almost six.
Speaker 10: Hundred thousand small businesses in the state.
Speaker 6: They make up ninety nine nine percent of all businesses.
Speaker 10: Here, you get the benefit of expanding the tax base
Speaker 10: creating jobs. Small businesses create two out of every three
Speaker 10: new jobs in our economy. And then you don't have
Speaker 10: one small business subsidizing another. And we work really hard
Speaker 10: to make sure the underwriting guidelines are stringent, and people
Speaker 10: who aren't supposed to get a loan aren't getting loans.
Speaker 10: So we were restoring that because the buid administration have
Speaker 10: blown that up too.
Speaker 2: Who are the people who aren't supposed to be getting
Speaker 2: the loans?
Speaker 10: Well, quite simply, if you don't meet the underwriting standards
Speaker 10: that make sure that you can pay back the loan
Speaker 10: to tax pay, you know that has a taxpayer guarantee
Speaker 10: that you're not getting it. And so you think about
Speaker 10: you've got to have a certain debt coverage ratio.
Speaker 6: You've got your business has.
Speaker 10: To bring in the income to cover the debt service.
Speaker 10: Small business loans require you to pledge collateral. In some
Speaker 10: cases you're homes and we don't want to put people
Speaker 10: in that position. If you lend to a small business,
Speaker 10: you want them to succeed, not to struggle. And so
Speaker 10: we are trying to make sure that we're lending to
Speaker 10: healthy small businesses.
Speaker 6: And I'm going to be visiting a couple.
Speaker 10: Of days that I've used SBA services. I was at
Speaker 10: a groundbreaking last week in Georgia. They're now on adding
Speaker 10: five hundred more employees. They started with an SBA loan.
Speaker 10: They're going to be up to one thousand employees within
Speaker 10: ten years of their founding. And that's really powerful when
Speaker 10: you think about bringing back our industrial know how, our
Speaker 10: job creation. And he did it in small part with
Speaker 10: an SBA loan.
Speaker 2: Talking to you, Kelly Leffler, a Small Business Administration administrator,
Speaker 2: and I should correct you on one thing, the idea
Speaker 2: that there are no weird questions. You've been in politics
Speaker 2: long enough. I've been in radio long enough. There are
Speaker 2: very often very weird questions. But you're at the Indiana
Speaker 2: State Fair and you're going to be talking to business
Speaker 2: owners there, and we're going to get you in Indianapolis,
Speaker 2: Indians hat or our minor league team, somebody make that happen,
Speaker 2: or one of the usays to run over a colts
Speaker 2: hat to the administrator.
Speaker 3: That would be great.
Speaker 2: The story over at CBS News was that you're being
Speaker 2: dispatched to Iowa to campaign for Republicans.
Speaker 3: It was the first I had read of the story.
Speaker 2: I didn't know why anybody is being dispatched to Iowa.
Speaker 2: They also have a lovely state fair, not as good
Speaker 2: as ours, but still very very good.
Speaker 3: Are you on your way to Iowa? Who are you
Speaker 3: campaigning for? Well?
Speaker 10: I am going over to Iowa to do the same thing,
Speaker 10: which is to go to the Iowa State Fair and
Speaker 10: meet with farmers, meet with small businesses. Be over there
Speaker 10: with some of our great senators and congressional representatives, just
Speaker 10: as I am here in Indiana. I'm a Midwestern kid.
Speaker 10: I grew up showing.
Speaker 6: Cattle at the state fair, so this is like pure.
Speaker 10: Joy for me to be out doing this.
Speaker 6: But I also will be at the Field of.
Speaker 10: Dreams baseball game tonight representing the administration. So my favorite
Speaker 10: place to be is on the ground with our small businesses,
Speaker 10: listening to their feedback.
Speaker 6: Taking it back to Washington.
Speaker 10: So I spend my week's travel the country.
Speaker 6: I've been in over forty states now, and that's what
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 10: It's what I love. And I'm a small business kid.
Speaker 10: I grew up in farming.
Speaker 6: And trucking business, and I just want to.
Speaker 10: Make sure that we give more people the chance to
Speaker 10: live the American dream.
Speaker 3: So none of this is on the political tip.
Speaker 2: We're not campaigning for people because we see an issue
Speaker 2: in the polling or anything else.
Speaker 10: Look, I've been in red shakes, blue states everywhere out
Speaker 10: with our great members of Congress. And no I was
Speaker 10: at the Iowa State Care last year, and so I
Speaker 10: was hoping to get back and get another milkshake over
Speaker 10: there again.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, I'll do you. Look are at
Speaker 3: Farmers and Ranchers Administrator somewhere.
Speaker 2: If you're at the fair, the dairy bar sometimes called
Speaker 2: the dairy Barn, is right around the corner. They've got
Speaker 2: the blue Raspberry milkshake this year, and they have the
Speaker 2: big deal grilled cheese with the pickle in.
Speaker 3: It tells Senator.
Speaker 2: Young to put his hand in his pocket and pay
Speaker 2: for these things and handle it like the man that
Speaker 2: he is.
Speaker 3: Try that, enjoy it. You will never leave.
Speaker 2: Kelly Lepler, a small business administration administrator.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you taking the time to be with us.
Speaker 10: Thank you, Jolly.
Speaker 2: I like Kelly Leffler, this is not the first time
Speaker 2: we've had a chance to talk. That was from my
Speaker 2: morning show earlier today, and I wanted to bring it
Speaker 2: to you. I have a weird, odd habit in that
Speaker 2: I want to hear what people say, and.
Speaker 3: Then I want to be able to go back and discuss.
Speaker 3: And there's certainly times.
Speaker 2: Where I push back or I asked the follow up question,
Speaker 2: as you.
Speaker 3: Heard me, do there.
Speaker 2: The fundamentals that we keep hearing about in this economy
Speaker 2: and how things are working. I do think that that
Speaker 2: is true. There is a real success that it's happening there.
Speaker 2: The problem is is that people who want to teut
Speaker 2: that are denying the actual cost of things. So you
Speaker 2: can argue some fundamentals and it will work in your favor,
Speaker 2: but you can't argue it well on Midwest main Street
Speaker 2: when you see the other things happening, When you see
Speaker 2: the price of beef, when you see insurances, etc. Where
Speaker 2: we are with gas prices, you have to accept that
Speaker 2: these things are in conflict. And I go back to
Speaker 2: something that Kevin O'Leary was talking about that we've discussed
Speaker 2: on the show with Doctor Will repeatedly, if I take
Speaker 2: the AI, spend the crazy amount of money going into AI,
Speaker 2: If I take that out of the equation. Tariffs are
Speaker 2: kicking the living crap out of this economy, morning, noon,
Speaker 2: and night. But there is Kelly Leffler talking fair trade
Speaker 2: over free trade, and I realized in that moment, I've
Speaker 2: never really had that conversation with everybody. I've never gotten
Speaker 2: into where I am on free trade versus fair trade
Speaker 2: and what that means. So I figured I would start
Speaker 2: with just a just a little bit of a hey,
Speaker 2: just you know, here's where I'm at. Free trade is
Speaker 2: about prioritizing market faiency, removing government barriers, allowing prices to
Speaker 2: be set by supplying demand. Fair trade is focused on
Speaker 2: allowing for these kinds of things labor standards, certain minimums,
Speaker 2: applying of tariffs, et cetera. So fair trade is about
Speaker 2: the concept of leveling versus free trade, which is about
Speaker 2: allowing the market to decide. I am a free trade guy.
Speaker 2: I think that's obvious in my presentations, But don't think
Speaker 2: I've ever used the words before, because it just I
Speaker 2: guess it hasn't come up like that, And I thought,
Speaker 2: here's Kelly Lofler bringing it up. I should comment. Do
Speaker 2: I believe that there is no place for tariffs? No
Speaker 2: do I believe that tariffs as an overall blanket policy
Speaker 2: is a good idea?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I think tariff is an overall blanket idea is terrible.
Speaker 2: Do I believe that there are nations that involve in
Speaker 2: abuses of our system and the manipulation of their currencies
Speaker 2: in order to get.
Speaker 3: Advantage on us? I do.
Speaker 2: Do I believe there are nations that steal from us
Speaker 2: in order to be able to gain our technologies to
Speaker 2: use against us and sell against US. Yes, but that's
Speaker 2: enough about China. China is where I absolutely concur that
Speaker 2: we must have a lot of aggression, whether that be
Speaker 2: tariffs or something else, in order to make them suffer
Speaker 2: for their theft. I also believe we should eliminate the
Speaker 2: debt we owe China. We've already paid it and what
Speaker 2: they've stolen in giving us COVID, We've paid it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Someone may say to me, l Tony, isn't that a contradiction?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. And we will get into this,
Speaker 2: this free trade versus fair trade conversation and what it
Speaker 2: actually means. What does it mean to our daily lives?
Speaker 2: What would it mean to our level of spend? What
Speaker 2: does it mean to our economy, does it somehow affect
Speaker 2: what we view as capitalism? And maybe part of our
Speaker 2: issue is that definition as well. So in going over
Speaker 2: my conversation with Kelly Leffler, I get into this place
Speaker 2: here and we're going to dig in in the weeks ahead.
Speaker 3: I hope you'll be there. Keep it here.
Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today, the former CFO of the Southern
Speaker 2: Poverty Law Center arrested for federal fraud. Couldn't happen to
Speaker 2: a worse organization, huh, Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good
Speaker 2: to be with you.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Saying that the Southern Poverty Law Center engaged in any fraud.
Speaker 2: Oh No, I would never say anything like that, because
Speaker 2: there are lawyers. I would say that it seems clear
Speaker 2: that they funded white supremacist groups so they could scream, hey,
Speaker 2: look there's white supremacy and then ask donors for more money.
Speaker 2: That's that is what it looks like. Allegedly possibly you know,
Speaker 2: again the lawyers. But in this story, the encapsulated version,
Speaker 2: this woman had a boyfriend who was part of a
Speaker 2: hate group, and the Southern Poverty Law Center was paying
Speaker 2: the informant. She oversaw the financial arrangements, was living with the.
Speaker 3: Guy, and some of the money ended up in a
Speaker 3: joint checking account.
Speaker 2: Guys, I don't spend my time thinking about criminal enterprises,
Speaker 2: but if I did, I could never have thought of
Speaker 2: doing that that. I just could not have come to
Speaker 2: that possibility. So bravo and the creativity enjoy jail. Find
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