WEBVTT - Tony Katz Today Full Show - 08/13/26

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<v Speaker 1>Why from vall Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Tony Kats today. So the story out of Iran

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<v Speaker 2>is nothing new. As a matter of fact, it's so

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<v Speaker 2>nothing new one could say it's absolutely boring. Why is

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<v Speaker 2>it leading the show, Tony? Well, we should be clear

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<v Speaker 2>that we're not done here, and we should be clear

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<v Speaker 2>that it is dominating a lot of our politics, especially

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<v Speaker 2>when you take a look at oil, which is down

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<v Speaker 2>a touch today midday it was eighty two dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty cents a barrel. That's on the West Texas cruise

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<v Speaker 2>on the Brent crewed eighty eight dollars and twenty nine cents.

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<v Speaker 3>What the war.

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<v Speaker 2>Has become as a talking point, and until we understand

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<v Speaker 2>how this talking point can be addressed, should be addressed,

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be addressed. Well, we are going to get

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<v Speaker 2>clobbered about by the people who just want to say

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to the low oil prices. These are the

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<v Speaker 2>same people who said, well, what happened to egg prices?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you were going to bring down egg prices.

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<v Speaker 2>Why aren't the egg prices down? No one ever takes

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<v Speaker 2>a look at the thing. They take a look at

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that respawns from it. Let me say this

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<v Speaker 2>another way. We have all seen in sports that it's

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<v Speaker 2>never the foul that gets called, it's the reaction to

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<v Speaker 2>the foul that gets called.

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<v Speaker 3>The first guy who acts like a complete and.

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<v Speaker 2>Total combag, nothing happens that, dude.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the reaction. The reaction gets the penalty.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to be people who are able to engage

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<v Speaker 2>before that moment, did we actually see what made this

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<v Speaker 2>all come together? Because this isn't sports, this is our lives,

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<v Speaker 2>and this has an effect on the election, as an

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<v Speaker 2>effect on everything. Perception is reality. I'm Tony Katz. The

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<v Speaker 2>show is Tony Katz Today. Good to be with you,

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<v Speaker 2>Live streaming YouTube, live streaming on Rumble, Tony Katz, on

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Katz Today. We see this back and forth between

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump and allegedly the Iranians.

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<v Speaker 3>This back and forth goes to the idea of who is.

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<v Speaker 2>In control? Is it the Iranians in control? Is it

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<v Speaker 2>the US in control of the strait? That conversation in

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<v Speaker 2>and of itself is a losing proposition for the president.

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<v Speaker 3>He can discuss all he wants in every way.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants that we have got some control of this

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<v Speaker 2>and things are flowing through. He can have this conversation

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<v Speaker 2>from now until the end of time.

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<v Speaker 3>Great young athletes the future of our country.

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<v Speaker 4>And we had a great time in Ohio, a fantastic

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<v Speaker 4>time in Ohio. The country is doing well. The sock

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<v Speaker 4>mark is fantastic record. We have seventy nine records so

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<v Speaker 4>far in a short period of time. Four people are

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<v Speaker 4>working right now in the United States and ever before,

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<v Speaker 4>and prices are dropping fast. Iran is going fine, going

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<v Speaker 4>just absolutely fine. We totally control the Strait of Hormos.

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<v Speaker 3>We have control over it. Nobody else, only.

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<v Speaker 5>Us are now.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's the case, sir, oil has to be at

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<v Speaker 2>sixty dollars a hour or less.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not so the argument falls flat. The argument fails.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what gives the left all of the agenda,

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<v Speaker 2>all this one way, I should say, all this opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>We already know their agenda to say, look at the

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<v Speaker 2>high oil prices because Trump got us into it.

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<v Speaker 3>What unnecessary war.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether you're quoting the left or whether you're quoting the

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculously pathetic Marjorie Taylor Green, not America first, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even think believes in America at all. Said it meant it,

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<v Speaker 2>not apologizing to it, don't really give a good Holy dammage.

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<v Speaker 2>She's happy allowing that to be the conversation, allows to

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<v Speaker 2>bake into the cake the very idea that going into

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<v Speaker 2>Iran was this terrible, misguided concept. I couldn't disagree with

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<v Speaker 2>that more. I couldn't disagree more. And the President disagrees

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<v Speaker 2>with it. So why is it that he is not

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<v Speaker 2>and the team is not aggressively engaging in the other way.

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<v Speaker 2>Every day, every Republican across the country who gets on

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<v Speaker 2>television or is on radio should be referring to the

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<v Speaker 2>Iranian regime as the terrorist Iranian regime.

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<v Speaker 3>They are terrorists.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time the Left wants to engage the idea.

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<v Speaker 3>That this is a forever war, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Important and imperative to remember that war works on our timeline.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we are the dominant power, we can do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Are the leftists saying that we should drop every weapon,

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<v Speaker 2>every bomb in our arsenal to take out around because

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<v Speaker 2>we can do that. That's what seems to me that

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<v Speaker 2>the left is saying every single bomb in the arsenal,

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<v Speaker 2>the big stuff, the little stuff, the weird stuff, the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff no one knows about. Oh my gosh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>just taking for forever, is it. I didn't say this

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<v Speaker 2>would be easy. I didn't say this would be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of what has happened here is that the president

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<v Speaker 2>has allowed a narrative to form in front of his eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>and his team has.

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<v Speaker 3>Not fought back one bit.

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<v Speaker 2>He has allowed for the narrative to be built that

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<v Speaker 2>this was unnecessary and that this is taking too long,

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<v Speaker 2>when the argument is, it absolutely is necessary, and this

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<v Speaker 2>isn't taking any time at all, and we may very

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<v Speaker 2>well decide just to wait these people out. Maybe that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be it. Maybe it's going to be this

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<v Speaker 2>siege attitude, this siege philosophy. Maybe that's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the winning proposition. Well, oh, Ran, they've learned how to survive.

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<v Speaker 2>They're in a survival economy. They're in a survival economy.

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<v Speaker 2>Boo boo, right until the clean water runs out. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what they tell you to try and push you away

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<v Speaker 2>from engaging the first part, The first part which the

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<v Speaker 2>President didn't do. He didn't sell his story, he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>tell his story. He didn't ask America to be with him.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, I'm doing this and therefore you'll come along

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<v Speaker 2>because that's what you do. That's a big mistake, and

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<v Speaker 2>no one has corrected him. No one has said, you got.

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<v Speaker 3>To make this pivot, you got to make this change.

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<v Speaker 3>Who controls the trade of hormuz?

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<v Speaker 2>Well it you speak to people, If you actually do

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<v Speaker 2>talk to people in the know, one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that they'll tell.

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<v Speaker 3>You is you take a look at oil.

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<v Speaker 2>At the eighty two dollars a barrel that I'm talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not one hundred and ten. We had one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and ten dollars a barrel oil. We're now at eighty two. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the problem is, in the president's words, that's still too high. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>it was supposed to be like seventy five or lower,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was the good spot. It was lower because

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<v Speaker 2>of the MoU the memorandum of understanding. Then that fell apart,

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<v Speaker 2>and then things you know, increased. And that's the story.

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<v Speaker 2>But we aren't in this place of insanity. We'ren't a

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<v Speaker 2>place of higher than we wanted to be, wholeheartedly, wholeheardly, agreed,

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't agree more actually, and I say this about a

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<v Speaker 2>whole host of things. The president needed to sell the

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<v Speaker 2>story the President needed to ask America to be with

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<v Speaker 2>him that yes, we will have higher gas prices for

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<v Speaker 2>a while, but your kids will live in a safer future.

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<v Speaker 3>We will no longer.

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<v Speaker 2>Have anybody under the threat of being murdered by these

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<v Speaker 2>terrorists because they are the bad guy. And yes, we

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<v Speaker 2>see all the people in the United States supporting them.

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<v Speaker 3>They're the bad guy too, these terrorist supporters.

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<v Speaker 2>Rashida Talib has to be called a terrorist for supporter

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<v Speaker 2>to her face. So does Ilhana mar So does the

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<v Speaker 2>COSU Quarts, So does Chris van Holland, so does Richard

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<v Speaker 2>bloementhal So do the rest of them, Chris Murphy, etc.

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<v Speaker 3>Every day they have to be called terrorist supporters.

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<v Speaker 2>Mehdi Hassan has to be called a supporter of the

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<v Speaker 2>most hateful, awful, violent extremes out there. Time he tries

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<v Speaker 2>to make some claim that it's it's Israel, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, it's Trump, it's the military, it's the political right.

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<v Speaker 3>They're all involved in supporting genocider.

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<v Speaker 2>You're the one who is de facto giving the support

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<v Speaker 2>to the Iranian regime and not to the Iranian people.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to play the other part of it. The

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<v Speaker 2>second thing that the penalty has seen. Right, never the

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<v Speaker 2>first one where they commit the first act of just

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<v Speaker 2>absolute madness. They think our response is the thing that's

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<v Speaker 2>we used against us. I believe that their action is

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that is whole unacceptable. And in order to

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<v Speaker 2>turn that tide, you have to get people with you,

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<v Speaker 2>and the president hasn't done it yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this taking too long?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Is this forever war?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that just a nonsense term? Yes? Does it?

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<v Speaker 2>You get utilized by the political left and the weird

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<v Speaker 2>woke right?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely? Are they wrong? Yes? Say so.

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<v Speaker 2>You're allowing a narrative to be baked, and that narrative

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be broken. The President is going to just

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<v Speaker 2>try and wait out the Iranians. He can, he absolutely can.

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<v Speaker 2>The president wants that to be the strategy. That's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be the strategy, even though it's not my strategy. But

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<v Speaker 2>if the president wants to be able to gain the

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<v Speaker 2>upper hand in a conversation about perception, which is allegedly

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<v Speaker 2>something that matters to him quite greatly, he needs to

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<v Speaker 2>change the conversation. He needs to change the tone, he

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<v Speaker 2>needs to change the attitude.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how you change the perception.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just cannot figure out why they're not doing

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 3>All lost and around.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not is the President utilizing a strategy I don't like.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely is he gonna turntail and run. He hasn't yet.

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<v Speaker 2>And just because the Wall Street Journal or the leftist

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<v Speaker 2>media or Iran says so doesn't make it true. It

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<v Speaker 2>makes it ugly that anybody would take their side. This

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<v Speaker 2>is about perception right now. This is a perception war.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we're clear President Trump is losing it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't want that to be the case. Speaking

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<v Speaker 2>of perception, the perception of Tucker Carlson has to be broken. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got that coming up. This is Tony Kats today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yesterday we're doing the show. We're minding our own business,

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<v Speaker 2>smoking a cigar, having a good time.

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<v Speaker 3>And I said, you know, it's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen Caroline Levitt, the White House Press secretary.

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<v Speaker 2>She did a presser a couple of weeks ago after

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<v Speaker 2>coming back from having a baby, hope everything is.

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<v Speaker 3>Going well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, it's it's it's curious that that I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't heard a press conference from her. And then later

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<v Speaker 2>that day here comes President Trump to say Caroline Levitt.

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<v Speaker 3>Is leaving so she can go raise her family.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony kaants, Tony knts today, good to be with you,

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<v Speaker 2>mosletough to her, really and truly, none of that is

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<v Speaker 2>ever easy. She is having a very public conversation that

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<v Speaker 2>women have all the time career or family. Families have

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. This is this is the thing, And

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<v Speaker 2>what she is said is I'm choosing family and good

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<v Speaker 2>on her. And yes I am aware as the chapman

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<v Speaker 2>is reminding me that progressives have been very, very very

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<v Speaker 2>nasty towards Caroline Levitt, terrible and awful. Oh but no

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<v Speaker 2>one was a bigger liar than Karin John Pierre. No

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<v Speaker 2>one was a bigger fraud and Krim John Pierre was incompetent.

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<v Speaker 3>She was dumb. She may still be dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>An incompetent, incompetent woman. Just so we're all clear, that

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<v Speaker 2>was Karin John Pierre. Circle back, Jensaki, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to do? The Press secretary job is a not

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<v Speaker 2>rageously difficult job. But it's not about your opinion. It's

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<v Speaker 2>what it is that is the position of the president

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<v Speaker 2>and how you voice it. You know they're looking now

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<v Speaker 2>for a replacement. I do not know if my name

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<v Speaker 2>is in contention just yet, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Hold on it, it's not it's not

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<v Speaker 3>anyway in content.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, if I asked, Oh I've asked, I would do

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<v Speaker 2>the job. Baffily, I'm gone. I may only last a week.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know if I would last a full Scarmucci.

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<v Speaker 2>But the book I would write would be epic in

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<v Speaker 2>every in every world. I get the call right now

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<v Speaker 2>during this show to me the White House Press Secretary.

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<v Speaker 2>I leave the show mid show, I go do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And you guys know it. You absolutely know that I

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<v Speaker 2>would do that immediately. And I'd be a fool not

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<v Speaker 2>to absolutely positively deliver the message of the president. Be clear,

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<v Speaker 2>be direct, be able to work with the press, be disarming,

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<v Speaker 2>be rough, do the whole thing, absolutely, no question. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think Caroline Levitt, especially with the age she's twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>exceeded a tremendous amount of expectation. She handled it really well.

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<v Speaker 2>There are times where I thought she was a little

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<v Speaker 2>too rough and gruff their time. I thought she was

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<v Speaker 2>a little to killy and Conway for my taste, But

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<v Speaker 2>all the respect in the world for how she handled

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<v Speaker 2>the gig. Yes, I take the gig in a heartbeat. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the question is who could possibly replace her, right, So,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a couple of options here that are being floated.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them is Alena Habba.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the former acting US attorney for New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>This was Trump's lawyer who you saw with him in

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<v Speaker 2>the early defense of those appeals and all the attacks

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<v Speaker 2>on him as he was running for president. That's Alena Habba.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly if we're talking about the look, oh she's got

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<v Speaker 2>a look. One of the options is Matt Boyle, Breitbart

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<v Speaker 2>Washington Bureau Chief. For those of us who came up

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<v Speaker 2>in the movement, the idea that Matt Boyle could be

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<v Speaker 2>considered for White House Press secretary is only proof that

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<v Speaker 2>if you stick at it, and you stick at it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you stick at it, crazy things can happen. That's incredible,

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<v Speaker 2>it's incredible. It's unbelievable that he could be a potential voice.

0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:21.920
<v Speaker 2>But he's there, he's in it every single day, he's

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<v Speaker 2>constantly at it, and certainly the administration knows who he is.

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't picture the presentation of going from Caroline

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<v Speaker 2>Levitt to Matt Boyle. Well Tony, you can picture it

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<v Speaker 2>going from Caroline Levitt to you, I have better hair

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<v Speaker 2>than Caroline Levitt.

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<v Speaker 3>So yes. Then there's a couple other options. One of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Options is the White House Communications Director, Stephen Chung. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never actually seen him in conversation. Overweight the glasses again,

0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.119
<v Speaker 2>that's a I don't know if that's the look Trump

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<v Speaker 2>wants or not. I wouldn't care. Just give me the data.

0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:14.399
<v Speaker 2>Is he willing to fight? To your Lord, He's absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>willing to fight on every level, willing to fight. He

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<v Speaker 2>has proven himself to be an incredibly competent, sophisticated politico

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand percent. The allegedly Katie Miller is a possibility,

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<v Speaker 2>the wife of Stephen Miller. I don't see that one

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<v Speaker 2>happening at the moments. At the moment, there is Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>is it Bowick Bodowitch, I don'm not how to pronounce

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<v Speaker 2>his last name, A former White House deputy chief of staff.

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<v Speaker 2>So in terms of understanding the inner workings, that's there.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there is the principal Deputy Press Secretary Anna Kelly,

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<v Speaker 2>also also possible. I would throw somebody else in the mix.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody mentioned Roma.

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<v Speaker 3>Davari.

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<v Speaker 2>Roma is really smart, really capable. I want to throw

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<v Speaker 2>into the mix. Monica Crowley, who has been taking care

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<v Speaker 2>of protocol things with the White House. She was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be there and part of the first term and

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<v Speaker 2>got completely hosed in something partially her mistake. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>engage in any level of plagiarism. You got to give

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<v Speaker 2>the quotes. But she's well past that. She's capable. Monica Crowley,

0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:51.320
<v Speaker 2>look for that name, keep it here. Tony Katch Today,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a story that is going to make national news.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not just about the flooding in the Midwest.

0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:06.520
<v Speaker 2>And we told you about the rains yesterday. Holy cow,

0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.000
<v Speaker 2>this has been great. People have been killed because of

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<v Speaker 2>flying degree debris, homes have been destroyed.

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<v Speaker 3>It has been a rough couple days and the rain

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<v Speaker 3>is not ending. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to

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<v Speaker 3>be with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Were heard on WMUN in Muncie, Indiana, and had I

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<v Speaker 2>had texted with the programmer their general manager.

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<v Speaker 3>There, Steve, and I was like, I hope you're doing all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and he responded with I have never seen anything

0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:42.080
<v Speaker 2>like this. There were reports of evacuations taking place because

0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:46.040
<v Speaker 2>of this rain that's flooding, and there's still more rain coming.

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<v Speaker 3>So a thought for the people who are really dealing

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<v Speaker 3>with this.

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<v Speaker 2>When I find some areas that we can provide some

0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.880
<v Speaker 2>donation to or provide some help to, we will absolutely get.

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<v Speaker 3>That, get that done.

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<v Speaker 2>There's that story, but the story that in the city

0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:17.040
<v Speaker 2>of Indianapolis, a police officer utilized the flock cameras for

0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:25.360
<v Speaker 2>personal use. The Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department suspended an officer

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<v Speaker 2>for alleged personal use of automated license plate readers.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll always call them ALPRs. They mean flock cameras. Even

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<v Speaker 3>by another name, they mean surveillance of the people. And

0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.880
<v Speaker 3>one abuses too many, and every camera has to be removed.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't give a good holy damn what the

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<v Speaker 3>chief says or any of the officers say.

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<v Speaker 2>You're all wrong. I don't mean to be rude. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to be disrespectful. You're wrong. The cameras have

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<v Speaker 2>to go. No, I don't trust you. End of list.

0:21:56.400 --> 0:22:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm happy to have that fight, an actual fight, anywhere, anytime.

0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:02.719
<v Speaker 2>We could do it in public, we could do it

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<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes over cigar, doesn't matter. They all have

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<v Speaker 2>to go. I've been saying this for a while now.

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<v Speaker 2>One abuse is too many, but I don't come to

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<v Speaker 2>you with that today. I come to you to say

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<v Speaker 2>I only hope, truly hope, because to decide that you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to watch someone slow descent into madness and not

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<v Speaker 2>be concerned, that.

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<v Speaker 3>Is not me.

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<v Speaker 2>We used to watch Tucker Carlson and that Fox show

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<v Speaker 2>was out of control. It was the must watch television.

0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:53.840
<v Speaker 2>It set the conversation in twenty four hour news cycles

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<v Speaker 2>what Beck had done prior and what I he had

0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:04.480
<v Speaker 2>been able to really do with the Blaze, And it's

0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:09.280
<v Speaker 2>a whole conversation for another day. Tucker Carlson was doing

0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:11.920
<v Speaker 2>in that time slot he was doing at Fox News.

0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:16.440
<v Speaker 2>He set the conversation for the country, and there are

0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 2>very few people who have been able to do such

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<v Speaker 2>a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>He was doing it. He was absolutely doing it.

0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:29.199
<v Speaker 2>And then of course he got let go and a

0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:30.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of us said, what in the bloody heck? And

0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:32.920
<v Speaker 2>then he started doing things on Twitter, and you saw

0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 2>the views and the downloads. You're like, look at that.

0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:41.400
<v Speaker 2>You don't need Fox. It's very possible you needed Fox.

0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:46.959
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he needed the guardrails, maybe he needed the producers,

0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:52.600
<v Speaker 2>maybe he needed someone to keep him in focus when

0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:57.959
<v Speaker 2>he did the interview with Vladimir Putin. People got angry

0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:00.760
<v Speaker 2>with him, and I said, very clearly, and I don't

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:05.359
<v Speaker 2>change a single words, what's wrong with you? He got

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<v Speaker 2>to you got he did an interview with the leader

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<v Speaker 2>of Russia. You would do that interview too. You're upset

0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:14.720
<v Speaker 2>you didn't get the interview. Of course you do the interview.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course you do. And you're doing it in Russia.

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 2>You might have to be, you know, a little concerned

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:27.280
<v Speaker 2>with getting home. You do the interview, of course you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought nothing of it except good for him. And

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<v Speaker 2>then he started doing videos about look how great Russian

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 2>supermarkets are. I'm sorry what Russian supermarkets are so clean,

0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 2>and look at the prices. If you would choose a

0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Russian supermarket over an American supermarket, that's insane. You're just

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:59.680
<v Speaker 2>being ridiculous. You're saying something just to say something. There's

0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:02.000
<v Speaker 2>no way you mean it. None of it's true. That's

0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.239
<v Speaker 2>a garbage statement. You sound like a moron. I said so,

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:09.200
<v Speaker 2>and from there it only got worse, bit by bit

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:11.200
<v Speaker 2>and piece by piece, and then came.

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 3>The Israel stuff. And you don't have to like Israel.

0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I never asked. I don't care if you like Israel

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<v Speaker 2>or not. It means, I swear to you. It means

0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:25.880
<v Speaker 2>nothing to me. What's somebody else's thought process? And whether

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:28.200
<v Speaker 2>they like Israel or don't. I never asked them whether

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 2>they like Greece, I don't.

0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Do you like Sudan? Yes or no?

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:41.879
<v Speaker 2>I never asked, never asked if you think that Israel

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 2>dragged the United States into the war? I'm sorry, that's

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.679
<v Speaker 2>embarrassing and it's pathetic. And oh, in the country is

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:52.680
<v Speaker 2>governed and controlled by Israel. That's weirdo freak stuff. Sorry,

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:56.040
<v Speaker 2>we can't be friends again. And I actually tried. I

0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:57.600
<v Speaker 2>had some old email addresses of his.

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 3>I tried to reach out to him. What are you doing?

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 3>They all got bounced back.

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:07.440
<v Speaker 2>They were older, and I admit they all got bounced back.

0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 3>And slowly.

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.119
<v Speaker 2>He has, of course allowed the dissent into madness and

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:15.679
<v Speaker 2>the guests that he has on having Hunter Biden, was

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 2>it for me? You're gonna try and realbailitate Hunter Biden.

0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:20.640
<v Speaker 2>He's still gonna lie about the laptop from hell. You're

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 2>gonna buy into this, not going to be a part

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 2>of this. He's gonna you and him are gonna have

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 2>a conversation about how much you enjoy and really respect

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 2>Candace Owens.

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:36.159
<v Speaker 3>Candace Owens, who has not met a.

0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Single falsehood regarding the assassination of Charlie Kirk that.

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.119
<v Speaker 3>She can't embrace and mouth kiss.

0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:47.639
<v Speaker 2>She could say anything she wants about the assassination of

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Charlie Kirk and deal with the ramifications thereof. But can

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:53.679
<v Speaker 2>we all agree that it has been proven that she

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 2>has engaged in a tremendous number of falsehoods. I think

0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 2>that's easy and obvious, an easy thing to understand and

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 2>obvious for everyone to see.

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:11.679
<v Speaker 3>But having Biden on and having uh, the these, uh,

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 3>the these, Churchill was the problem. Guys. I'm out. I'm out.

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 3>And he has slowly been going into this dissent.

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:24.119
<v Speaker 2>And then you're gonna sit there with Joe Kent and

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:27.360
<v Speaker 2>uh and Thomas Massey, Marjorie Taylor Green You're talk about

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 2>how you're gonna save the country.

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:32.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not for me, thank you very much.

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 2>And then comes this, and then comes this right here,

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:44.639
<v Speaker 2>This got posted by Joel Malbray from Tucker Carlson Show.

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Tucker engaged in a conversation that Ben Shapiro.

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:52.640
<v Speaker 3>Is a government's creation.

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:57.960
<v Speaker 7>This is not playing this to suggest that Ben Shapiro

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<v Speaker 7>was like a shaper of history, a mover in American politics.

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 7>He's not He's an employee like most everybody else.

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 8>He's doing what he's told. He represents larger interests obviously,

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 8>So it.

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:15.879
<v Speaker 2>Is acceptable to say that you, Tucker, are controlled by Qatar,

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 2>You're paid by Quitar, You're you're owned by Quitar.

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:21.479
<v Speaker 3>You are a puppet of Qatar.

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:23.959
<v Speaker 2>I actually, if I take a look at you in

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:27.399
<v Speaker 2>these videos, I can actually see Qatar's hands moving.

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 3>It must be really deep, probably up to the elbow.

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:32.160
<v Speaker 3>Is this what we do now?

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Ben Shapiro is a government creation of Israel, and Lord

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 2>only knows who else. This is a serious conversation that

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Tucker is having.

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<v Speaker 7>So why bother to replay and then rebut something that

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 7>Ben Shapiro said, well in an effort to speak to

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 7>the people who put him up to it. So the

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 7>whole point at Ben Shapiro, And there is a point

0:28:57.320 --> 0:28:59.480
<v Speaker 7>to Ben Shapiro. This is not like some organic phenomenon

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 7>like Ben Shapirer was just so charming and brilliant that

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 7>he somehow got into Harvard Law School and then Eyebrows

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 7>and all emerged as a social media titan.

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<v Speaker 8>No, of course not.

0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 7>And Japiro had a deal with Facebook, a deal no

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 7>one else got. And so the point of Shapiro was.

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he got a deal nobody else got. But can't

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 2>the same exact thing be said about you? You're an

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 2>invention of some government entity. You had what was it,

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:28.840
<v Speaker 2>the CIA, daddy and the money this and all that.

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, you think you're so smart, so bro is it?

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 3>We'll go back to it. Everything you said, can he

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:39.480
<v Speaker 3>be easily applied to you? Is this what we do? Now?

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 7>Here's a way to send a very specific message, to

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 7>outline and sell a very specific worldview to young people.

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:51.560
<v Speaker 7>Ben Shapiro is an old person's idea of a young person.

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 8>He is a spokesman for a group of older people.

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 3>So tamed, not a real person.

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.960
<v Speaker 8>It's get bench Shapiro. This guy, Benjamin, he's brilliant.

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 7>He's a really promising young kid, and we'll get him

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 7>to sell free market economics in a robust Reaganite foreign

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 7>policy to the young folks.

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 2>You're right, because nobody has ever said, hey, I like

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 2>your message, let me help you build that. That's never happened.

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>It's like no one's ever said, hey, I like your product.

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Let me help you build that that doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 3>What kind of argument does this And by the way, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Kind of worked for a while thanks to the trans movement,

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<v Speaker 7>which you suspect they also kind of concocted this same group.

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<v Speaker 7>But whatever wherever that came from. For a while, Ben

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<v Speaker 7>Shapiro seemed like he was on the side of common sense,

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<v Speaker 7>and he's for free speech, and he's against the trans lunacy, etcetera, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 7>But always from day one, the point was Ben Shapiro

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<v Speaker 7>is going to sell this very specific version of economics,

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<v Speaker 7>not capitalism, bears no resemblance to anything Adam Smith advocated for,

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<v Speaker 7>but the kind of modern American monopoly arrangement where six

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 7>countries comees can behave like countries, have sovereignty onlike our

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<v Speaker 7>own nation, and control every part.

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<v Speaker 8>Of your life through debt.

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<v Speaker 2>So the argument from Zucker Carlson is they got this

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<v Speaker 2>jew for the money stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I had said that right, I under said.

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<v Speaker 7>That right, which is kind of broad but fairly accurate

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 7>definition of our current economic system. So sell that and

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<v Speaker 7>then sell the even harder to pitch idea that it's

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<v Speaker 7>unpatriotic to oppose wars for Israel.

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<v Speaker 8>Like, first of all, it's obviously antisemitic. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 8>just an expression of hate.

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<v Speaker 7>If you don't want to regime change some country you

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<v Speaker 7>can't find on a map, obviously you're a bigot.

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.480
<v Speaker 8>You're basically a Nazi. In fact, you must be for Hitler.

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<v Speaker 7>You probably are opposed the Second World War Two probably

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 7>a problems with Churchill. It's literally immoral to oppose Ben

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<v Speaker 7>Shapiro's employer's foreign policy.

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:02.960
<v Speaker 2>The immoral part is saying that Ben Shapiro has employers

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<v Speaker 2>and handlers.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just stupid to think that church Shill was the problem,

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<v Speaker 3>not Hitler.

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<v Speaker 7>But it's also an American like, this country was founded

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<v Speaker 7>to fight wars for Israel.

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<v Speaker 8>That's why we're here.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, our founder said explicitly America exists as a

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<v Speaker 7>Judaeo Christian country to support Israel. Okay, so whatever whatever

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 7>prime minister of that country wants, we're doing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>that's why we're here. So if you're against it, you

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 7>don't believe in America, you're against America.

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<v Speaker 8>Whyn't you just leave?

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<v Speaker 7>Maybe will revoke your green CARDO don't have a green card,

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 7>will trippy your citizenship, And that's what ice exists to do. Now,

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 7>in any case, you should know watching this that these

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<v Speaker 7>are not just Ben Shapiro's opinions. The extend he actually

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 7>has opinions, who knows, but these are the opinions of

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 7>the people who prop up Ben Shapiro, who created Ben Shapiro,

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 7>and this is what they think. This is the argument

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<v Speaker 7>they sincerely believe, apparently is going to appeal to you,

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<v Speaker 7>young people who were worried about the price of burrito,

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<v Speaker 7>price of burritos.

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<v Speaker 3>It's over, kids, it's over. Tucker's over.

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<v Speaker 2>No one can seriously quote him and expect a response

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<v Speaker 2>other than my, gosh, you need Jesus. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know anybody who needs Jesus more than Tucker Carlson.

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 3>It was a good run.

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<v Speaker 2>I really wish you the best, and I hope you

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<v Speaker 2>find the help that you need, and maybe that is Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever it is, I hope you find it in that

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<v Speaker 2>right soon. This is Tony Kats today. Now, the WNBA

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 2>had themselves a meeting, and you will not believe what

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 2>they decided. Tony Katz Tony Kats today. I'll get to

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 2>that in a little bit. But I caught this piece

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<v Speaker 2>where Dja Carrington. She's the one who closed lines Sophie

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<v Speaker 2>Cunningham in the physical league the WNBA, and then after

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 2>getting ejected, she goes white privilege.

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 3>Well, here's a video of her.

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<v Speaker 2>In a game last night hitting two players in the face.

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:27.279
<v Speaker 3>There's one it was the.

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<v Speaker 2>Right hand possible, and then the left hand boom boom

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:33.799
<v Speaker 2>right in the face right there.

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 3>So that's one, and then the other one is.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a wee bit more egregious right there where she

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:49.800
<v Speaker 2>comes flying in like she's Superman to stop the play

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 2>and right hand directly to the mouth, right hand. I

0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 2>could watch this like it's a suppruder. Film back and

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 2>to the right back, and to the right back and

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:08.799
<v Speaker 2>to the right and there it is.

0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 3>And then although, wit, there's Jackie, it's not Jackie. Let's

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 3>not mock.

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<v Speaker 2>For the record, these kinds of things happen in the

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:25.239
<v Speaker 2>WNBA a lot. And for the record, some players do

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<v Speaker 2>this and they don't care. They think it's an intimidation tactic.

0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:35.400
<v Speaker 2>I would assume it's what happens when you have less talent.

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 2>It could be an example of what happens in a

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<v Speaker 2>league where the physicalness, the reaction time isn't gonna be

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:44.440
<v Speaker 2>as fasts.

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:45.799
<v Speaker 3>Than the NBA. And so this is what you get.

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<v Speaker 3>Could be a bunch of things.

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<v Speaker 2>All I know is the WNBA had to ask itself

0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:56.360
<v Speaker 2>what is a woman? Because well, they haven't answered the

0:35:56.440 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 2>question yet, and they had a meeting. We've got the

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 2>results of the meeting. You're not gonna believe it. Not

0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 2>gonna believe it. I will bring that to you next.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep it here. It's Tony Kats Today.

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<v Speaker 1>Live from vall Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Katz Today.

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<v Speaker 2>I never once, in any of my conversations anywhere, say

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:36.279
<v Speaker 2>that first you have to agree with me. You don't

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 2>have to agree with me. Even when I say I'm right,

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:40.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm just making the point of this is where I'm at.

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:45.920
<v Speaker 2>I am willing to engage in the disagreement. Doesn't mean

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:49.720
<v Speaker 2>that you have to agree with me. I can't force

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 2>someone to agree with me. I'm okay with conversations with

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>people I disagree with. There are places where I do

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 2>indeed have redlines based on policy and philosophy. Communism is

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:10.320
<v Speaker 2>one of those places. There's no place in any civil

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:18.280
<v Speaker 2>society for communism. There's no value to communism. One would

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:26.280
<v Speaker 2>have to be a fool to think that communism provides

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 2>a value, one would actually have to be as dumb

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 2>as a Columbia University graduate. Tony Katz. That's me, by

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 2>the way, what's up everybody, Tony Kats today. An absolute

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 2>pleasure to be here at pleasure to be with you

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:43.360
<v Speaker 2>find everything I do over at Tony kats dot com,

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 2>live streaming, on the YouTube and on the Rumble Tony

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Katz on Twitter, which is ex Tony Katz and Facebook,

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Tony Katz Radio. You don't have to be in total

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 2>concord to be decent.

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:06.959
<v Speaker 3>You don't. It doesn't have to be done.

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<v Speaker 2>There are plenty of things that Pat McAfee, the content

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 2>creator radio host, has said that I'm like, nope, that's

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:19.160
<v Speaker 2>not me. But he's also created a world, and he's

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:21.360
<v Speaker 2>created a following, a fan base, and a value that

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 2>ESPN saw, Hey, let's put sixty million dollars into this guy.

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:30.479
<v Speaker 2>That sixty million dollar number matters because the other day

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<v Speaker 2>it's the Patriot Games and Pat McAfee is there, and

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:43.800
<v Speaker 2>the President is there, and actually Pat McAfee met President

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Trump as he got was there on the tarmac on

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 2>the plane and it's raining and Trump's there holding the umbrella,

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:52.879
<v Speaker 2>and McAfee is there, Jean's black T shirt, white hat

0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 2>turned backwards.

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 3>Hey, mister president, how you doing. I don't know. I

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 3>don't know if he gave him the finger guns or

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:00.759
<v Speaker 3>what have you. It was very weird, all right.

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 2>You met the president there, and then they were at

0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 2>the Patriot Games together and they were sitting next to

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:11.239
<v Speaker 2>each other. Social media exploded with anger, and in that

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:15.279
<v Speaker 2>social media there are a bunch of people who are

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:21.440
<v Speaker 2>sports podcasters and sports radio hosts infuriated and what are

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 2>they doing. They're calling Pat McAfee a pedophile because they've

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 2>decided that Trump is a pedophile.

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:31.320
<v Speaker 3>And now we know that this is a lie.

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 2>But they don't care because what they're doing is not

0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 2>engaging in any kind of honesty, which would be man,

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:38.280
<v Speaker 2>I am not a fan of Trump.

0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:41.719
<v Speaker 3>You're sitting with him. I would never do such a thing.

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:45.680
<v Speaker 2>What they're doing is going to the lowest common denominator

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 2>and buying into any lie, pushing any lie because they

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.360
<v Speaker 2>don't care that it's a lie. All they know to

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:54.800
<v Speaker 2>do is I don't like Therefore attack, don't engage on policy,

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:58.759
<v Speaker 2>don't engage on philosophy, engage in the lies because anything that.

0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 3>Destroys the target good. This is Alensky.

0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Pick the target, personalize that frees it, and polarize it.

0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Ridicules man's most potent weapon. It doesn't matter if it's true,

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 2>just say it. Every conversation about Trump as pedophile.

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:14.880
<v Speaker 3>Is a lie.

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.359
<v Speaker 2>And those people are liars, and they know they're liars,

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 2>and they've been proven liars. We see that they're liars.

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:24.799
<v Speaker 2>They don't care. They don't care because their emotion controls

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 2>them and they have no capacity to deal in the realities.

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:33.560
<v Speaker 2>They cannot engage politically, they cannot engage in policy. All

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 2>they have is their emotion. Now, why do they have

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 2>the emotion? It is a good question. We're going to

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:44.480
<v Speaker 2>get to that. They call him Pat McAfee a pedophile,

0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 2>they call him a sellout, they call him disgusting. You know,

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Pat McAfee has a music album coming out this Friday.

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to bet any amount of money it's going

0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.000
<v Speaker 2>to be kind of like Eddie Murphy coming out with

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:05.080
<v Speaker 2>an album. I'm so glad he decided to stick to comedy,

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:09.799
<v Speaker 2>but people are mocking the album coming out. How dare

0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 2>a guy having fun with his life? Have fun with

0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:15.000
<v Speaker 2>his life. How dare him try something? What's the big deal?

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:20.759
<v Speaker 2>Don't buy the album. By the way, Pat bought.

0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:22.600
<v Speaker 3>The album and listen to it, and I hope you

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 3>had a good time with it.

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:25.840
<v Speaker 2>My god, this was a bunch of crap. Stick to

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:30.720
<v Speaker 2>the radio. You might say that, attacking him for doing something.

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, you have to stay in your lane.

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 2>That's one of the things that they always say, stay

0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 2>in your lane. What's my lane? If it's my lane,

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:47.080
<v Speaker 2>aren't either one who decides what it is? That would

0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:51.479
<v Speaker 2>make sense. It's my lane. It's not your lane. It's

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:54.720
<v Speaker 2>my lane. I get to decide what is in my lane.

0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 2>And there are a lot of things in my lane,

0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 2>and I might decide to wait for it, change lanes

0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:03.360
<v Speaker 2>because I decide my lane the best thing in the

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 2>world you will ever see. When I say the best.

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:11.279
<v Speaker 2>The most horrifying is that people will decide that you're

0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:13.880
<v Speaker 2>only allowed to do this one thing. They see you

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 2>a certain way, You're only allowed to do this one thing.

0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 2>I know that there are people out there who see

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 2>me as a radio host. It's all Tony can be

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:20.279
<v Speaker 2>as a radio host. There's nothing more in.

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:20.839
<v Speaker 3>A radio host.

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:28.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't see myself that way. I do talk radio,

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:34.919
<v Speaker 2>I do TV, I podcast, I write, I create, and

0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:39.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm an excellent lover. I have got a panoply.

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:40.359
<v Speaker 3>Of things that I do.

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 2>One lane, baby, I got a whole bunch of lanes.

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:51.160
<v Speaker 2>No one gets to decide that but me, And for you,

0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:54.600
<v Speaker 2>no one gets to decide it but you. But somehow,

0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:58.279
<v Speaker 2>because Pat McAfee is in the public guy, everyone gets

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.800
<v Speaker 2>to decide his lane. And then they'll go actor's employer.

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 2>How could ESPN possibly have hired this guy? He got

0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:10.160
<v Speaker 2>sixty million dollars a year and they fired really talented journalists. No,

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 2>first of all, they weren't talented journalists. I want to

0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 2>make sure we're clear about this at ESPN. The people

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:19.920
<v Speaker 2>who got fired were not, in the main talented journalists.

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:21.000
<v Speaker 3>They sucked.

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:26.879
<v Speaker 2>ESPN became a terrible garbage place of politics.

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:28.880
<v Speaker 3>It became impossible to watch.

0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 2>And for the record, I don't want to hear Pat

0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 2>McAfee engage in politics. This wasn't engaging in politics. The

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:41.440
<v Speaker 2>President of the United States was there and you were

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:44.879
<v Speaker 2>invited to sit with him. You sit with him, he's

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:50.960
<v Speaker 2>still the president. What kind of madness is this that

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:53.520
<v Speaker 2>we're now going to decide for sitting down.

0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 3>Pedophile. It was not an endorsement of anything other.

0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Than I recognize that's the president, and let's make sure

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:07.840
<v Speaker 2>we understand what we're dealing with here. The leftist does

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:11.920
<v Speaker 2>not want to admit to this thing. Nothing is allowed

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 2>to humanize. You can't admit that he's a president. Oh

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:16.920
<v Speaker 2>not my present. You can't admit that he's human. It

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:18.919
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter what you do to him. It doesn't matter

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:20.279
<v Speaker 2>that you call for people to kill him, it doesn't

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:22.719
<v Speaker 2>matter their assassination attempts. The only thing that matters is

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:31.840
<v Speaker 2>that these people keep on missing. It has been beyond vitriolic.

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:35.719
<v Speaker 2>And I had a very good time yesterday.

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:39.680
<v Speaker 3>I was recording the Cigar and Bourbon Show, Eat, Drink.

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Smoke with fingers will Low, and every time he'd be like,

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:43.000
<v Speaker 2>you're ready to go, I be I called out. I'm

0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:46.200
<v Speaker 2>just responding and he'd be like, would you stop stop

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 2>doing it?

0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I can't. It's just too good. I'm funny

0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:55.279
<v Speaker 3>and I'm responding to all these tough guys. A lot

0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:55.560
<v Speaker 3>of them.

0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:55.840
<v Speaker 5>They do.

0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:58.920
<v Speaker 2>They host a podcast about this team or that team, right,

0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:00.520
<v Speaker 2>They about the thing that they're interesting in they do

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:04.160
<v Speaker 2>a show about it radio hosts and it reminded me

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 2>of something I have said before, and that is the

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:14.520
<v Speaker 2>sports guys are very bad at the politics. One or

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:16.840
<v Speaker 2>two guys we are able to do the crossover stuff.

0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:20.840
<v Speaker 2>I've mentioned Will Caine before, I've mentioned Klay Travis before.

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<v Speaker 3>But the sports guys are very, very bad at the politics.

0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 2>And part of the issue is is that the sports

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:32.000
<v Speaker 2>guy does not when it comes to things political, have

0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:35.080
<v Speaker 2>to go deep. They don't have to do research, they

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:36.440
<v Speaker 2>don't have to engage philosophy.

0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:37.879
<v Speaker 3>They don't have to understand the history.

0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 2>They don't have to understand how the dots connect.

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:42.920
<v Speaker 3>There is no study.

0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:47.680
<v Speaker 2>There is only what will ensure I can possibly get

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:53.840
<v Speaker 2>the next interview. There is no question that what Lebron

0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 2>James said about Darryl Morey, that then general manager of

0:45:57.640 --> 0:45:59.520
<v Speaker 2>the Houston Rockets, was wrong.

0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:03.799
<v Speaker 3>Darryl Moray. What was the guy was mit? Where was

0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 3>he with his brain?

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:07.680
<v Speaker 2>He had to educate himself on the Hong Kongers because

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Darryl Moray said free Hong Kong.

0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:11.080
<v Speaker 3>No no, no, no, no no no.

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Lebron James wanted that sweet sweet China cash and didn't

0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:25.960
<v Speaker 2>care whose neck got a boot, That's what happened. But

0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:28.720
<v Speaker 2>oh no, Lebron is so great. You know he created

0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:33.600
<v Speaker 2>a school. You know he did this, dude, that was

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 2>an ugly thing for him to do. Throw Hong Kongers

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 2>under the bus. Also floppy flop flop. Not so interested.

0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 2>And for the record, Michael Jordan was better case closed.

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:56.680
<v Speaker 2>But the sports guy having no desire to dig in

0:46:56.760 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 2>on the philosophical, on the historical of how some of

0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:06.600
<v Speaker 2>these political things move and maneuver, having no willingness to

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 2>engage honestly and clearly on the subject at hand. Rather,

0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 2>they have been taught that their emotional fervor for their

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:22.440
<v Speaker 2>team or for the sport will suffice. It doesn't have

0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:25.319
<v Speaker 2>to be a practical application. It doesn't have to be

0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:26.800
<v Speaker 2>an intellectual pursuit.

0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:28.400
<v Speaker 3>This is one of my laments.

0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 2>By the way of talk radio and Toto and the

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 2>influencer class. All you have to do is show how

0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:35.640
<v Speaker 2>angry you are. All you have to do is show

0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:38.319
<v Speaker 2>this how real man does it and all this other

0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:43.680
<v Speaker 2>horsecraft the idea that you can actually connect the dots politically, philosophically, historically,

0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:44.759
<v Speaker 2>that is like.

0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:45.839
<v Speaker 3>An ancient art.

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, well, obscrewed, because this is kind of

0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 2>what I do in between smoking cigars and being quite humorous.

0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:54.160
<v Speaker 2>And I want to keep doing the thing I do,

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:55.799
<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to keep doing it if it means

0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:57.760
<v Speaker 2>I lose out on a couple hundred stations.

0:47:58.040 --> 0:47:59.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh well, that's the way it goes.

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:08.200
<v Speaker 2>But the sports guy never ever, ever got checked on

0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:14.000
<v Speaker 2>the emotion and having to ground that with the actual.

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Pursuit of the data in question.

0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:22.920
<v Speaker 2>The emotion and the opinion, said louder is what got

0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:23.840
<v Speaker 2>them success.

0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:28.760
<v Speaker 3>I have nothing against Stephen A. Smith zero.

0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the hell he has done to

0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.240
<v Speaker 2>get me to believe that when it comes to political

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:36.719
<v Speaker 2>acumen or political theory, he's a guy should be listening to.

0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm not mad at him. I'm not mad at him,

0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:46.279
<v Speaker 2>and I only applaud the idea of the attempt. You

0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:48.840
<v Speaker 2>got to go out there and do the thing. You

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:52.440
<v Speaker 2>have to go out there and do the thing, and

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:53.760
<v Speaker 2>you gotta get your butt kicked.

0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 3>How else do you think it happens.

0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:00.279
<v Speaker 2>I've been at this for a while, and when I

0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:02.880
<v Speaker 2>first started, I got to live in crap kicks.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of me.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course you did. You didn't think about this, what

0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:08.400
<v Speaker 2>about that? How do you deal with the rejection? How

0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 2>do you deal with the response? How do you process

0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:13.120
<v Speaker 2>to be able to connect it to other things, to

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:15.920
<v Speaker 2>be able to further prove a point a theory of philosophy.

0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:19.640
<v Speaker 3>It takes time. At this stage.

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:21.880
<v Speaker 2>It is still about studying, research, and some of it

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:22.960
<v Speaker 2>is just muscle memory.

0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:24.120
<v Speaker 3>You've already heard that.

0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Thing before, so you know exactly where you're going and

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 2>how you're going to respond to it. Where is the

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:34.160
<v Speaker 2>confrontation to their politics? And the answer is, for the

0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:40.040
<v Speaker 2>sports guy, it doesn't exist. And it is why I

0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:43.080
<v Speaker 2>have said from the beginning, when the sports guys get

0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:47.160
<v Speaker 2>involved in the politics, dear gosh, are they terrible at it?

0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:49.520
<v Speaker 3>Now? I don't say, shut up and talk about dribbling.

0:49:50.960 --> 0:49:51.799
<v Speaker 3>You can do it.

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:54.480
<v Speaker 2>All you want, sports guys, but the vast majority of

0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:55.560
<v Speaker 2>you suck at it.

0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:56.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't care.

0:49:56.680 --> 0:50:03.560
<v Speaker 2>You've got forty million subscribers, It doesn't matter. There are

0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:06.480
<v Speaker 2>people with more subscribers than me. There are people with

0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:09.440
<v Speaker 2>less subscribers than me. There are people with more subscribers

0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:11.120
<v Speaker 2>who are very bad at this. There are people with

0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:17.120
<v Speaker 2>less subscribers who are very good at this. It's just

0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:24.400
<v Speaker 2>real you watch these people responding to Pat McAfee, not

0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:25.160
<v Speaker 2>a one of them.

0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:27.960
<v Speaker 3>I say it clearly, without any hesitation. They don't have

0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:28.640
<v Speaker 3>a mind.

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<v Speaker 2>It is PABLEM, pablem. If you had said, man, that's

0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:39.799
<v Speaker 2>a nutty thing to do. Okay, it's a nutty thing

0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:42.000
<v Speaker 2>to do. Just nutty.

0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:46.040
<v Speaker 3>That's sitting with Donald Trump, that's nutty. What did you

0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:46.600
<v Speaker 3>want them to do?

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Punch Trump in the face and they'll answer with yes,

0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:51.800
<v Speaker 2>And that's.

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:52.680
<v Speaker 3>How broken they are.

0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:55.200
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, that is actually a true story

0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:58.279
<v Speaker 2>of somebody I know who was asked to appear at

0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:03.560
<v Speaker 2>an event with Trump, and Trump hugged the guy and

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:05.960
<v Speaker 2>the response was you should have punched him in the face.

0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Seriously the response he got. There's more to that story,

0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:10.799
<v Speaker 2>but I'm not going to give it all right now.

0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:13.120
<v Speaker 2>It has been talking about publicly, but I don't know.

0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:14.080
<v Speaker 3>If I'm allowed to say it on air.

0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:20.960
<v Speaker 2>They're broken people who have no interest in what you

0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:23.160
<v Speaker 2>and I have an interest in, which is the actual

0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:27.959
<v Speaker 2>pursuit of the understanding of the thing in question. They say,

0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:31.719
<v Speaker 2>let me show how good and decent I am by

0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 2>calling Pat McAfee names, by insulting his children, by attacking

0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:40.840
<v Speaker 2>his job and then these people over here will like

0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:42.200
<v Speaker 2>me and oh, look at all the hits I got,

0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Look at the clicks I got. And that was the

0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:52.440
<v Speaker 2>last twenty four hours. That was the last twenty four hours. Guys,

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.319
<v Speaker 2>don't worry. Pat mcfeel me back, you know, in the

0:51:56.360 --> 0:52:00.520
<v Speaker 2>barrel again. People coming at him. When you create success,

0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:03.160
<v Speaker 2>it happens, they absolutely want to tear you down.

0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 3>Do I agree with Pat McFee politically. I don't know

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:09.759
<v Speaker 3>everything about Pat McFee. Politically. I've never had to sit

0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:10.719
<v Speaker 3>down and talk to the guy.

0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:11.279
<v Speaker 8>Politically.

0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:15.759
<v Speaker 2>If I ever got the opportunity, the cigars are on me, Pat,

0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 2>I got, I got bourbon. It's all right here. It's

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:23.000
<v Speaker 2>not as big as your studio, but it's home. I'd agree,

0:52:23.040 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 2>I disagree.

0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:24.120
<v Speaker 3>What have you.

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna say something one day in the future and

0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:29.080
<v Speaker 2>be like, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:32.960
<v Speaker 3>It's going to happen.

0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:37.040
<v Speaker 2>He's not an idol and he shouldn't be treated like

0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:40.040
<v Speaker 2>some kind of special angel.

0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:42.560
<v Speaker 3>He sat with the president.

0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everyone just needs to move on with their day. Oh,

0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:54.920
<v Speaker 2>and stop screaming things like pedophile. You all sound weird,

0:52:56.600 --> 0:53:01.360
<v Speaker 2>really really weird. And as we learn and from Tim Walls.

0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 2>That's the worst thing someone can be. I'm Tony Katz

0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and this right here is Tony Katz today. This was

0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:13.000
<v Speaker 2>out there in West Hartford, Connecticut, and it was a

0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:13.920
<v Speaker 2>school board meeting.

0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:16.920
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a school board.

0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Meeting Tony Katz and Tony Katz today because we're they're

0:53:24.640 --> 0:53:29.720
<v Speaker 2>they're talking about paying teachers. And the school board member

0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:34.839
<v Speaker 2>she she's up there on the dais and she's she's

0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:44.279
<v Speaker 2>wearing she how do I she's wearing ears. It's it's

0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:46.400
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's it's like a I don't know, it's like

0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:49.879
<v Speaker 2>a hair band something to keep the hair back. She's

0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:52.120
<v Speaker 2>a black woman, and it's it's in her hair and

0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:57.600
<v Speaker 2>it looks like ears like she's a cat, a cat ears.

0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:00.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a it's there on the line. I assume

0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:02.879
<v Speaker 2>their poditional land and those are those are cat ears.

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Those are ears of a cat. And they've got like

0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:08.080
<v Speaker 2>they've got like like like they've been be dazzled.

0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Right. Yeah, I don't know why she's wearing it.

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe she thought she was being sassy and she

0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:18.520
<v Speaker 2>is making an argument, ladies and gentlemen.

0:54:18.880 --> 0:54:23.200
<v Speaker 3>That black teachers should be paid more so.

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<v Speaker 9>I know we have like some efforts to increase diverse

0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:30.640
<v Speaker 9>diversity in the district. So I'm wondering, especially around administration,

0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:36.279
<v Speaker 9>are there financial incentives for black and brown people to

0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:40.680
<v Speaker 9>work here. It's an extra burden quite frankly, to be

0:54:40.719 --> 0:54:44.240
<v Speaker 9>a black and brown teacher and administrator in the district,

0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:46.600
<v Speaker 9>And so I think we should start thinking about that

0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:49.759
<v Speaker 9>financially if we're not already. But I know we call

0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:52.120
<v Speaker 9>ourselves leaders, and I know we have an Office of

0:54:52.160 --> 0:54:54.200
<v Speaker 9>Equity and Belonging, so I'm sure we could figure it out.

0:54:54.280 --> 0:55:04.840
<v Speaker 3>We got money. That's what's Harford. It's an extra burden.

0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Because you say so, or because you can probably guilt

0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:18.280
<v Speaker 2>a couple of bucks out of some people. The bigoted

0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 2>madness is not going to end until the money train ends,

0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:26.640
<v Speaker 2>you know that, right. People will continue to push every

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:30.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of nonsense thing they can because they think they

0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:33.560
<v Speaker 2>can profit from it. There's some type of reward to get.

0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:36.520
<v Speaker 2>If it's not financial, it's reputation capital.

0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:43.320
<v Speaker 3>Why would you have someone like this on your school

0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:46.360
<v Speaker 3>board or any part of your world.

0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:51.760
<v Speaker 2>You know that that's nonsense, right, It's an extra burden,

0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:54.640
<v Speaker 2>it says, I'm toning Kats.

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<v Speaker 3>Three more things why, Yes, yes, I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Kats Tony Kats Today an absolutely pleasure.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys, glad that you are here. What are three more things?

0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:05.600
<v Speaker 2>These are things that should be front page news, but

0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:08.120
<v Speaker 2>because of all the front page news, they don't make

0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:11.600
<v Speaker 2>the front pages. And that's why I bring it to

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<v Speaker 2>you three more things on Tony Katz. The show is

0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:19.240
<v Speaker 2>Tony Katz Today, and of course on Twitter is Tony Katz.

0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Find me there in the livestream, their Facebook, Tony Cats Radio,

0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:24.280
<v Speaker 2>and on YouTube and rumble Tony Katz.

0:56:24.800 --> 0:56:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Get on end come see it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>In one of the weirder stories that I'd come across,

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<v Speaker 2>Newsmax reporting that Paramount might leave California and is thinking.

0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:43.120
<v Speaker 3>About moving to New York, I don't get it at all.

0:56:43.280 --> 0:56:47.880
<v Speaker 2>How in the world could you say California is not working? No, wait,

0:56:48.000 --> 0:56:52.239
<v Speaker 2>we all understand how you can say that, But how

0:56:52.320 --> 0:56:55.320
<v Speaker 2>is it possible that New York would be better?

0:56:57.640 --> 0:56:57.799
<v Speaker 3>Now?

0:56:57.920 --> 0:57:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Part of this has to do with not just the

0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:03.799
<v Speaker 2>running of the company at large, but has to do

0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:10.000
<v Speaker 2>specifically with lawsuits and anti trust suits. So there are

0:57:10.120 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 2>a series of Attorneys general that want to block the

0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:19.120
<v Speaker 2>merger of Paramount with Warner Brothers Discovery. So Paramount is

0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:26.920
<v Speaker 2>considering a move out of California. They're saying, we need

0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:30.400
<v Speaker 2>to go now. I took this as they're looking to

0:57:30.400 --> 0:57:33.520
<v Speaker 2>move to New York. Oh no, no, no, they're looking at

0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:35.720
<v Speaker 2>moving CBS out of New York.

0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:40.040
<v Speaker 3>I set it first.

0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:43.520
<v Speaker 2>We were right here together, guys, what do we say?

0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:48.160
<v Speaker 2>We set of Fox News, we set of Newsmax.

0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:52.840
<v Speaker 3>What are you guys still doing in New York? What's

0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:53.400
<v Speaker 3>wrong with you?

0:57:54.800 --> 0:58:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Why in the world would you ever be headquartered in

0:58:01.280 --> 0:58:06.360
<v Speaker 2>New York? Why would you do it? It's over Cynthia

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<v Speaker 2>Nixon runs the city that communist and all her communists

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<v Speaker 2>folk Zorammdani a living embodiment of the Red Green Alliance.

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<v Speaker 3>Why would you be in that city? Why would you

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<v Speaker 3>do it?

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<v Speaker 2>This is a city and this is a state that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't do the most basic thing. And you asked me

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<v Speaker 2>what the most basic thing is?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it?

0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Making sure people don't be on the sidewalk listen? One

0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:35.480
<v Speaker 2>could hope and dream and that they would stop that,

0:58:35.920 --> 0:58:38.040
<v Speaker 2>making sure that people could ride the subways not being killed.

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<v Speaker 3>Wouldn't that be nice?

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<v Speaker 10>No?

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<v Speaker 2>The one thing that they don't do that they need

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<v Speaker 2>to do is say we do things here the way

0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:50.040
<v Speaker 2>we do things in the United States, and know where

0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:56.120
<v Speaker 2>you came from doesn't matter as much. Public prayer where

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<v Speaker 2>they overtake streets needs to be outlawed, including by bulldozer.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry.

0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:07.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying that if you want to get a permit

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<v Speaker 2>and have an event in a public park somewhere, you're

0:59:11.040 --> 0:59:12.000
<v Speaker 2>more than welcome to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I have zero problem with that whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you think you could just grab five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>Muslims take over the streets and engage in prayer on

0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:22.480
<v Speaker 2>the streets and everybody has to drive around you or

0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:29.120
<v Speaker 2>walk around you, screw you, bulldozers. You'll move. We don't

0:59:29.120 --> 0:59:32.240
<v Speaker 2>do that here. We don't do street takeovers. We don't

0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:35.040
<v Speaker 2>allow religious takeovers of any kind.

0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:38.280
<v Speaker 3>And in any case, scream and.

0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Yell about Islamophobia and bigotry and religious freedom all you want.

0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:46.480
<v Speaker 2>You do not have the freedom to stop traffic for

0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:50.880
<v Speaker 2>your prayer, rugs. No, you don't, because you're not engaged

0:59:50.920 --> 0:59:53.520
<v Speaker 2>in prayer in that way at all. You're engaged in

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<v Speaker 2>moving and growing a political system by creating fear.

0:59:56.920 --> 1:00:05.840
<v Speaker 3>I have no fear. You're wrong. Off, oh, off you go, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>The answer, And these cities are not willing to fight

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<v Speaker 2>that because ridiculous liberal white women like Cynthia Nixon want

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<v Speaker 2>to say, oh, look how beautiful that is. Don't these

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<v Speaker 2>people understand that they're doing something so important. We have

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<v Speaker 2>freedom of religion here, it's not a religion. We allow

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<v Speaker 2>these things. You allow the blocking of traffic. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to enjoy the subjugation. Moving out of New

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<v Speaker 2>York is the right thing to do. One must starve

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<v Speaker 2>New York. Atlas Shrugg is a really good book. It

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<v Speaker 2>must collapse. They want to collapse it. Let them.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that there are a lot of people will

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<v Speaker 2>be like, well, Tony, don't you have to fight for things?

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<v Speaker 2>I hear you, And I know people still in California

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<v Speaker 2>is still fighting great great until it collapses. They're never

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<v Speaker 2>going to learn. They're never going to learn. Now, there

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<v Speaker 2>is this a gubernatorial race. Steve Hilton, he has a shot.

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<v Speaker 2>One would think one would hope against Tavier Bessera. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a chance here for him to be the guy for

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<v Speaker 2>them to actually say we have a Republican governor. But

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah and the Real Clear Politics average is up by

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two points. Now, if I listen to Michigan and Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 2>This means that Steve Hilton is going to win because

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<v Speaker 2>that pulling.

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<v Speaker 3>Is just a mess. And I think it was a.

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<v Speaker 2>News nation that wrote a story what went wrong in Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 2>You're trying to make cover for what happened here. The

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<v Speaker 2>Polsters don't know how to measure these communists. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to measure it. Yet they want to argue

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<v Speaker 2>with Wisconsins because David Crowley, who won, had dropped out

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<v Speaker 2>of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Race and then came back in the race.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't have enough time to put together the polls

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<v Speaker 2>properly to account for him. Maybe, but doesn't explain what

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<v Speaker 2>happened in Michigan, where he had the same issue. Abdul

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<v Speaker 2>Sayed up by thirteen and a half and he wins

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<v Speaker 2>by one percent. As a massive fail. There's a problem

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<v Speaker 2>in the methodology, there's a problem in who you're counting.

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<v Speaker 2>So moving out of New York I get. Moving out

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<v Speaker 2>of California, I get. The acknowledgement is that leaving California's

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<v Speaker 2>among the company's options as they fight anti trust lawsuits

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<v Speaker 2>brought by California in eleven other states, and those states

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<v Speaker 2>are arguing that combining Paramount and Warner would give the

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<v Speaker 2>merged company excessive power over theatrical movie distribution and cable television.

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<v Speaker 2>If there's anything that the left hates is when you

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<v Speaker 2>have too much.

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<v Speaker 3>Power, not when they have too much power.

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<v Speaker 2>When you have too much power in all these things,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mind that we look out for monopoly. I

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<v Speaker 2>get this, and I do find myself at odds with

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<v Speaker 2>myself in terms of government interference here.

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<v Speaker 3>But I like the idea of.

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<v Speaker 2>Punishing the abusers who said you had to give them

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<v Speaker 2>tax money, screw them. When Zaramondani goes after what's his name, Griffin,

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<v Speaker 2>the hedge fund guy, what's his first name, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>remember his first name right now, Ken Griffin. Ken Griffin

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<v Speaker 2>is right to say, well, forget it, we'll leave New York.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll take all our business with us. We won't build

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<v Speaker 2>this building, We'll do it in Miami. I think you

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<v Speaker 2>should come to the Midwest, mister Griffin. But hey, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just me. He's the CEO of Citadel. Then you have

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<v Speaker 2>red Stone that are working on bringing down property taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a story out of the Wall Street

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<v Speaker 2>Journal about Wyoming, where them at North Carolina Florida, Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 2>have property tax limits or rollbacks on the ballot this November.

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<v Speaker 3>Lots and lots and states are doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>You've had Ron DeSantis of Florida saying we should eliminate

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<v Speaker 2>other property tax and for the record, we should eliminate

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<v Speaker 2>the property tax. I have seen economists saying, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand what the property tax does. I absolutely understand what

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<v Speaker 2>the property tax does. Well, how else are we going

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<v Speaker 2>to fund schools and things that are important. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>want these services, You want to destroy your city.

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<v Speaker 3>None of that is true.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, you're terrible at your job, so called economists.

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<v Speaker 2>I will argue again for the people in the cheap

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<v Speaker 2>seats that I understand that states can levy taxes.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand that the federal government can levy tax in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Role that the federal government plays, I oppose vehemently and

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<v Speaker 2>with everything in me income taxes. The federal government is

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<v Speaker 2>not a partner in my labor. I shouldn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>pay them as one. It is disgusting, it is an affront.

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<v Speaker 2>It is wrong. The adding of the income tax to

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<v Speaker 2>the US Constitution was a mistake, part of the horrors

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen thirteen by the way, it's the sixteenth Amendment.

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<v Speaker 3>For those who playing the home game.

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<v Speaker 2>The income tax has done zero good in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>It has only divided people, utilized as a cudgel as

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<v Speaker 2>a weapon against those who politically disagree with No value

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<v Speaker 2>has come from the income tax. It was not necessary,

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<v Speaker 2>It was a control feature. It has failed us. We

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<v Speaker 2>should eliminate it immediately. We should rescind the sixteenth Amendment

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<v Speaker 2>to the Constitution, just like we did the twenty first

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<v Speaker 2>Amendment to rescind the eighteenth. That, by the way, was

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that we like Bourbon and it tastes good,

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<v Speaker 2>just devicious. When it comes to the states, the states

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<v Speaker 2>can have income taxes.

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<v Speaker 3>While I disagree with it, still, at least.

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<v Speaker 2>I can move to a state that has no income

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<v Speaker 2>tax or a low income tax.

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<v Speaker 3>I can make the decision. I can vote with my feet.

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<v Speaker 2>What no state should be allowed to do is engage

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<v Speaker 2>in a property tax. A property tax dictates that you

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<v Speaker 2>do not actually own what it is you own. If

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<v Speaker 2>any economists would like to argue this with me, feel free,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're wrong. If I have to pay a tax

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<v Speaker 2>on land I have already purchased year after year after year,

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<v Speaker 2>after year, and if I don't pay the t you

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<v Speaker 2>the state can take the land from me. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>own the land. If I have to pay the VIG

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Own the land. Well, Tony, you get all.

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<v Speaker 2>The upside value, and the value increases, yes, and I

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<v Speaker 2>take the downside of the value decreases. None of that matters.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my investment. Of course I gain or I could lose.

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<v Speaker 2>But whether I gain or whether I lose, You've got

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<v Speaker 2>your hand in my pocket, you scumbag state government saying

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<v Speaker 2>gimme mine.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't think you put any skin in the game. Kitten,

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<v Speaker 3>you ain't taking no risk to the loss.

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<v Speaker 2>You just keep saying, in the words of Goodfellows, blank,

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<v Speaker 2>you pay me, that's you.

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<v Speaker 3>Why would you have this right? Well, how else are

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<v Speaker 3>you gonna find? Schools?

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen thousand other ways to do this? I didn't say

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<v Speaker 2>that there couldn't be taxes. I'm a believer in low taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a believer in ending the income tax. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>believer in ending the property tax. I never said there

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<v Speaker 2>would be no tax.

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<v Speaker 3>I live in the real world.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want amenities, if you want services, they have

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<v Speaker 2>to get paid for.

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<v Speaker 3>Some things government can do and want it to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Some things they can't do and they should never do,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they would be better stewards.

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<v Speaker 3>Of our dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no argument to the property tax other than control.

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<v Speaker 2>Eliminating the property tax is the right smart course in

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<v Speaker 2>every state, including my own and including yours. And the

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<v Speaker 2>people who say, well, you can't fund things otherwise radically

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<v Speaker 2>unserious people. And what we need are serious people, serious,

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<v Speaker 2>That's what these data brokers do. It's a multi billion

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<v Speaker 3>More to get to this is Tony Katz.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, WNBA gathered and they said, we need to define

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<v Speaker 2>what a woman is.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to be able to set clear.

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<v Speaker 2>That we in the WNBA understand what a woman is

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<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna we're gonna let everybody know. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>let's let's sit down and discuss this and what is

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<v Speaker 2>a woman. And I don't know what kind of meeting

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<v Speaker 2>they had, but they then they then put out a statement.

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<v Speaker 3>And the statement reads.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's meeting covered a wide range of topics, including ongoing

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<v Speaker 2>discussions on transgender athletes and the continued hate and vitriol

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<v Speaker 2>direct it at players online. We will continue to engage

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<v Speaker 2>all league stakeholders in the coming weeks and months. By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, anytime they use the term stakeholder, nothing happened.

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<v Speaker 2>We will approach these important conversations thoughtfully and in alignment

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<v Speaker 2>with the values of our league. There are no immediate

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<v Speaker 2>eligibility matters affecting the WNBA, and we strongly denounce the

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<v Speaker 2>bad faith efforts to use these topics to demean or

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<v Speaker 2>marginalize others. Translation. Yeah, we have no idea what a

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<v Speaker 2>woman is. We don't know what it is. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what a woman is. We're not gonna define what

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<v Speaker 2>a woman is. We're not gonna be forced to find

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<v Speaker 2>what a woman is. We don't want to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna just be in favor of the bigoted league

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<v Speaker 2>being the bigoted league. We are not gonna do this

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<v Speaker 2>until the very last second, even if we have to.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>More incredible that actor Hugh Laurie, you know from the

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<v Speaker 2>TV show House. He was posting about this on social

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<v Speaker 2>media and some comic by the name of Graham Lenihan.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know Graham calling him cowardly, and so Hugh

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<v Speaker 2>Laurie is like, firstly, blank off and secondly, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe men should compete against women.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it made that pretty clear if you'd looked.

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<v Speaker 3>But obviously you must get onto your next and I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what he went on from there. So the

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<v Speaker 3>job wnba, I'm Tony Katz.

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<v Speaker 1>Why from vall Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Tony Katz today. So the only question is who

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<v Speaker 2>controls the strait? Well, I guess maybe the only question

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<v Speaker 2>is are we actually still at war with Iran? If

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<v Speaker 2>nothing is happening? Well, maybe the only question is what

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<v Speaker 2>is actually happening to begin with?

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<v Speaker 3>Who's doing what? When we're why?

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<v Speaker 2>And how can we get at least a straight and

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<v Speaker 2>honest answer. Not what I want, not maybe what you want?

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<v Speaker 2>And we could possibly be in conflicts. I love you

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<v Speaker 2>either way, But what is actually happening?

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<v Speaker 3>What is the goal?

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<v Speaker 2>What is the objective of the United State of the

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<v Speaker 2>Iranians of the Middle East? And how do we get

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<v Speaker 2>what we want? And does that mean somebody else has

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<v Speaker 2>to get what they want? Tony Katz, Tony Katz today,

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<v Speaker 2>good to be with you. Stephen Yates joins us right now.

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<v Speaker 2>You know his work over there at the Heritage Foundation.

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<v Speaker 2>Now his focus is China and China policy and China relations.

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<v Speaker 2>But because of that, he has had a lifetime of

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<v Speaker 2>understanding world relationships and how this geopolitics works, including from

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<v Speaker 2>his time in the George Bush White House with Vice

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<v Speaker 2>President Cheney. Let's break it down a little bit, Sir.

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<v Speaker 2>I hear from President Trump that we control the Strait

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<v Speaker 2>of our moves one hundred percent, There's no question about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I hear from the Iranians.

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<v Speaker 2>Or whomever it is speaking for the Iranians that they

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<v Speaker 2>control the Strait one hundred percent. I have got very

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<v Speaker 2>little in terms of tankers going through the Strait, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have got oil that has been back above eighty

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in some places, eighty five dollars a barrel.

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen Yates, who controls what? Well?

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<v Speaker 11>Tony, I think we've got a sort of perfect muddle

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<v Speaker 11>to a degree, both sides telling the truth, especially from

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<v Speaker 11>their point of view, and so the imperfect picture that

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<v Speaker 11>we can put together is that there's more shipping traffic

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<v Speaker 11>transiting the Strait of Hormuz and oil and natural gas

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<v Speaker 11>coming and going from the non Iran destinations than is

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<v Speaker 11>being accounted for by private trackers. That's partly due to

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<v Speaker 11>signals being turned off on those vessels for security purposes

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<v Speaker 11>and being escorted by the US military, And so the

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<v Speaker 11>US government sources have higher numbers of the ships coming

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<v Speaker 11>and going. In fact, over the last weekend talking about

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<v Speaker 11>at numbers that pre date the war, and those the

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<v Speaker 11>drop off that has held for several several months.

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<v Speaker 12>So on the one hand, that's true.

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<v Speaker 11>Militarily, we definitely have control of the straits, and we

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<v Speaker 11>definitely have Iran pinned in.

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<v Speaker 12>On the other hand, they are.

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<v Speaker 11>Still completely capable of engaging in economic terrorism.

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<v Speaker 12>And what I mean.

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<v Speaker 11>By that is all it takes is one off the

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<v Speaker 11>threats here or there, occasional attacks here or there, and

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<v Speaker 11>it completely shapes the behavior of your adversary. Those adversary

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<v Speaker 11>could be the insurance companies that jack rates so that.

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<v Speaker 12>Ships don't want to move.

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<v Speaker 11>That adversary could be regional actors that recoil and try

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<v Speaker 11>to pressure the administration to engage in concessions and endless

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<v Speaker 11>negotiations that by time for recovery.

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<v Speaker 12>But this is the textbook definition of terrorism.

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<v Speaker 11>You use the threat and reality of occasional force in

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<v Speaker 11>order to get an outsized political, economic, or other strategic

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<v Speaker 11>reaction out of your targets.

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<v Speaker 12>And that's what leads to this stalemate.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take a step back in something you said, because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think people understand and I don't claim this

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<v Speaker 2>is my area of expertise. We have more tankers that

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<v Speaker 2>are going through because they're turning off the trackers.

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<v Speaker 3>Walk me through how that works well.

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<v Speaker 12>For though, there are apps.

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<v Speaker 11>That you can go to on the internet, and there

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<v Speaker 11>are certainly high priced commercial services that will give you

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<v Speaker 11>very very clear data.

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<v Speaker 12>And that's when everyone's sort of GPS.

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<v Speaker 11>Signal is on and they can they can sort of

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<v Speaker 11>like air traffic control can see where every flying object

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<v Speaker 11>is or seafaring object is. In this case, we're looking

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<v Speaker 11>at the seafaring objects, and for both safety and the

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<v Speaker 11>economics of scale of tracking things, they will have signals

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<v Speaker 11>that you can be able to detect where these lumbering

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<v Speaker 11>objects are that go on the sea. They're way down

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<v Speaker 11>so heavily. I don't even understand the physics of how

1:16:53.439 --> 1:16:56.800
<v Speaker 11>they float, much less move. But as they go they

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<v Speaker 11>have signals on, so for security purposes, sort of like

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<v Speaker 11>going stealth. If you're in the air, you have all

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<v Speaker 11>things turned off, and that's dangerous if you are at

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<v Speaker 11>risk of bumping into things. But if you're being escorted

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<v Speaker 11>by a military force, then you have less of that

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<v Speaker 11>safety concern. So those international services are not in fact

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<v Speaker 11>able to track where all of these vessels are when

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<v Speaker 11>they are cloaked, or to have their signals turned off.

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<v Speaker 12>And so some things are moving. Do I believe that

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<v Speaker 12>they are moving at pre war levels? That's hard to fathom.

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<v Speaker 11>You think that more of that would be seen and

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<v Speaker 11>you would see more of that reflected in the markets.

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<v Speaker 12>At the same time, as you noted the price.

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<v Speaker 11>Of oil being in the eighties, that's way down from

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<v Speaker 11>the one hundred plus of the panic rates. It's not

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<v Speaker 11>down to sort of the fifty to seventy range that

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<v Speaker 11>was sort of pre war, but it's ticklishly close to that,

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<v Speaker 11>which tells me some things are moving. Whether it's the

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<v Speaker 11>diverted fuels, whether it's the escorted shifts.

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<v Speaker 12>Some things are moving.

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<v Speaker 11>So we're not seeing the picture, which fails the first

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<v Speaker 11>rule of politics in my book, which I learned from TV.

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<v Speaker 12>So it has to be true. It's not enough to

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<v Speaker 12>do good. You have to be seen doing good.

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<v Speaker 11>And it's hard for the world, everyday Americans and even

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<v Speaker 11>market analysts to see the good that's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how heavy that statement is, right, because you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking perception versus reality. And this is where people who

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<v Speaker 2>want to be all Trump all the time and people

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<v Speaker 2>who want to be all against Trump all the time

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<v Speaker 2>fail in the conversation talking to Stephen Yates to the

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<v Speaker 2>Heritage Foundation, because perception is reality. You're not wrong when

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<v Speaker 2>you discuss where the oil prices are. We're not at

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and ten dollars a barrel, but when you

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<v Speaker 2>tell me oil's got to be at seventy five dollars

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<v Speaker 2>a barrel in order to be like, hey, look how

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<v Speaker 2>oil prices are down. Gas prices are down, everything's good,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're at eighty five dollars a barrel, and we

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<v Speaker 2>saw it go up because Iran is saying to the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, forget you, We're going to do whatever we want.

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<v Speaker 2>That is that puts the president in a position I

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<v Speaker 2>view of weakness, of perceived weakness. Never mind the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of this back and forth. We control the straight, No,

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<v Speaker 2>we control the straight. But go back again for a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>You talk about insurance rates and you talk about escorts.

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<v Speaker 2>On the idea of escorts, this is I think where

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people have been. How is it possible

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't have a series of destroyers just lined

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<v Speaker 2>up on both sides of the strait? How have we

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<v Speaker 2>not gotten the Saudis and others to line up some

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<v Speaker 2>forces on both sides of the strait and we just

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that nothing gets through. We make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>the tankers get through, that the Iranians can't do nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>They're finished, They're complete. We do it by force.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you talk about escort, this is what people

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<v Speaker 2>are asking, how is this not happening already?

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<v Speaker 11>And mass It's a painfully clear and appropriate question for

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<v Speaker 11>which I don't have a good answer, because it's exactly

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<v Speaker 11>what I would have done months ago, and I think

1:20:01.200 --> 1:20:04.360
<v Speaker 11>we have the capability to do so. I think we

1:20:04.479 --> 1:20:08.320
<v Speaker 11>have been clear that our governing ethos is to press

1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:10.800
<v Speaker 11>the free riders of the world that you are going

1:20:10.840 --> 1:20:12.760
<v Speaker 11>to have skin in the game. You are going to

1:20:12.760 --> 1:20:15.160
<v Speaker 11>put fuel in the tank. You are going to fund this.

1:20:15.280 --> 1:20:17.960
<v Speaker 11>We are helping you, and you are going to pay

1:20:18.000 --> 1:20:20.800
<v Speaker 11>for us helping you. And part of that is you're

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<v Speaker 11>going to share some of the risk. We're not going

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<v Speaker 11>to stand out here as the only targets. You're going

1:20:25.479 --> 1:20:28.679
<v Speaker 11>to stand shoulder to shoulder in doing something that ensures

1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:32.200
<v Speaker 11>freedom of navigation for you to thrive and your people

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<v Speaker 11>to be safe. That is the way I understood the

1:20:35.840 --> 1:20:39.439
<v Speaker 11>Trump Great Realignment was meant to be. It's something I

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<v Speaker 11>am million percent agree with and strongly support. I think

1:20:44.200 --> 1:20:47.920
<v Speaker 11>we have done some of those things, but we aren't

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<v Speaker 11>doing enough of those things, and we aren't being seen

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<v Speaker 11>doing enough of those things, and that, I think is

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<v Speaker 11>the challenge.

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<v Speaker 12>We have to move in that direction for this to

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<v Speaker 12>be sustained.

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<v Speaker 11>And I think that there is a way to not

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<v Speaker 11>just spin a win, but for there to be a

1:21:04.240 --> 1:21:07.080
<v Speaker 11>real transformation that people can be proud of and can

1:21:07.200 --> 1:21:11.840
<v Speaker 11>hold and is worth it. But we aren't doing enough

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<v Speaker 11>of what you just said that I completely agree with,

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<v Speaker 11>and things should have been done long ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking to Stephen Yates the Heritage Foundation Heritage dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>His focus is China policy, but his history is that

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<v Speaker 2>of full geopolitics in the region, whether it be the

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<v Speaker 2>Far East or the Middle East. I am somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>believes that we should have taken out the regime. And

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<v Speaker 2>when this first took place back in February, you were

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<v Speaker 2>the first person I was texting with. You were the

1:21:42.360 --> 1:21:44.439
<v Speaker 2>person I was reaching out to. I was preparing for

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<v Speaker 2>a live event and I was trying to get data

1:21:47.200 --> 1:21:50.120
<v Speaker 2>from you to understand exactly what it was that I

1:21:50.200 --> 1:21:53.840
<v Speaker 2>was seeing here. And I certainly believe then that taking

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<v Speaker 2>out the regime is I think job number one.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I talk about how the president.

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<v Speaker 2>Is viewed, and I know that the president does not

1:22:01.680 --> 1:22:04.040
<v Speaker 2>like to be viewed as weak at any level in

1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:07.040
<v Speaker 2>any place, there is a view here that he is.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you can only talk about Iran can't get a

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons so much. In the end, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>end the regime that is trying to achieve this goal,

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<v Speaker 2>and they may still be working at it if everything's possible.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, right now, you can't say they can't have

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<v Speaker 2>a nuclear weapon then leave and all of a sudden

1:22:24.920 --> 1:22:29.760
<v Speaker 2>the centrifuge start spinning up. Legacy is shattered. And this

1:22:29.800 --> 1:22:32.519
<v Speaker 2>brought up a conversation that I had with Leland Vidder

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<v Speaker 2>of News Nation about the idea of will the IRGC

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<v Speaker 2>the Iranians have the will to hold out and the

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<v Speaker 2>United States doesn't have the will. I don't believe that

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<v Speaker 2>in Toto, because I haven't seen whether or not the

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<v Speaker 2>president will or won't.

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<v Speaker 3>All I know is he's not doing the bombings, but.

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<v Speaker 2>He's still around, and he's still there, keeping to an

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<v Speaker 2>extent his powder dry and waiting to see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this a willpower fight? Is this about what political wills?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this about whether or not the president has the

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<v Speaker 2>stomach for this, whether this is really in his desire

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<v Speaker 2>in his wheelhouse. Where do you think the real battle

1:23:12.520 --> 1:23:15.800
<v Speaker 2>is in terms of ideology between the IRGC and where

1:23:15.800 --> 1:23:17.600
<v Speaker 2>President Trump is well.

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<v Speaker 11>I think first there's a caveat for how to even

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<v Speaker 11>talk about this.

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<v Speaker 12>I think we have to be careful to fall into.

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<v Speaker 11>The traps of all or nothing kinds of lenses, because

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<v Speaker 11>it's just not the way the world is.

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<v Speaker 12>It's not the way warfare is, and it's not the.

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<v Speaker 11>Way this mix of forces and pressures and other kinds

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<v Speaker 11>of activities is going.

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<v Speaker 12>To play out. The war is always a bit about will.

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<v Speaker 11>And capability and sometimes patients, and patients can often be

1:23:44.439 --> 1:23:48.440
<v Speaker 11>mistaken for weakness. It can be weakness, it can be appeasement.

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<v Speaker 11>But it depends on what the ultimate aim is and

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<v Speaker 11>are there measurable results in a reasonable period of time,

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<v Speaker 11>And what is reasonable is subjective. That comes down to politics,

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<v Speaker 11>domestic and international. So what I mean by all this

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<v Speaker 11>gobbledegook I just sort of spewed out here is that

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<v Speaker 11>the president has some very powerful things in place that

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<v Speaker 11>we're not in place for the decade plus from the

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<v Speaker 11>bogus Iran Deal to the present. We have maximum financial

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<v Speaker 11>pressure in place. We've gone after bank accounts that matter

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<v Speaker 11>in very serious, real.

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<v Speaker 12>And impactful ways.

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<v Speaker 11>We have a blockade in place that has having a

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<v Speaker 11>real and meaningful impact on the coffers of the theocratic

1:24:31.040 --> 1:24:35.960
<v Speaker 11>regime in Tehran, and there is no indication any of

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<v Speaker 11>that is coming off anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 12>And so that form of maximum pressure is greater.

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<v Speaker 11>Than has ever been applied to this regime in the

1:24:45.280 --> 1:24:49.360
<v Speaker 11>near half century of its existence. And there is there

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<v Speaker 11>a resolve to keep it in place indefinitely if necessary,

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<v Speaker 11>to starve the regime of the resources and wait for

1:24:55.800 --> 1:24:58.880
<v Speaker 11>them to be cannibalized by their people or among.

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<v Speaker 12>The power centers of them.

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<v Speaker 11>That is not the timeline that we were led to

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<v Speaker 11>believe at the beginning of this operation. But it is

1:25:06.520 --> 1:25:10.160
<v Speaker 11>not appeasement, it is not weakness, it is not failure.

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<v Speaker 11>It's just different and longer, and ultimately it might be

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<v Speaker 11>what works. It isn't what I would have chosen in

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<v Speaker 11>terms of the option set going forward, But it is

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<v Speaker 11>not the sort of all or nothing kind of fork

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<v Speaker 11>in the road that we instinctively go to when thinking

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<v Speaker 11>about these things.

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<v Speaker 12>There is more than one way to change this regime.

1:25:34.040 --> 1:25:37.000
<v Speaker 12>There's more than one timeline on which to change this regime.

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<v Speaker 12>The question is can we.

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<v Speaker 11>Hold allies, can we hold markets, can we hold our

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<v Speaker 11>domestic politics? Do we have the resolve and the strategy

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<v Speaker 11>to do those things to allow this longer, more patient

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<v Speaker 11>path to work.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would only argue that one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that the administration didn't do and should have done was

1:25:54.120 --> 1:25:57.559
<v Speaker 2>explained why, in much greater detail, made the full on

1:25:57.640 --> 1:26:00.759
<v Speaker 2>appeal to America and said let's be in this together.

1:26:00.840 --> 1:26:04.160
<v Speaker 2>But that is a political consideration, I agree, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just they didn't do this because the president believes I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing this and everyone's gonna go with me and it'll

1:26:09.520 --> 1:26:11.840
<v Speaker 2>get explained as we go. And that's just not how

1:26:12.000 --> 1:26:15.320
<v Speaker 2>this works. But to the idea of the political considerations.

1:26:15.360 --> 1:26:18.479
<v Speaker 2>Talking to Stephen Yates to the Heritage Foundation this story

1:26:18.520 --> 1:26:22.519
<v Speaker 2>over at Fox News that you have Pakistan, Saudi Arabia,

1:26:22.560 --> 1:26:27.040
<v Speaker 2>and Turkey considering a pact to work together. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>have argued that the one thing that the president has

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<v Speaker 2>done is he's rethought Middle East policy. He has forced

1:26:33.280 --> 1:26:36.519
<v Speaker 2>the Middle East to rethink Middle East policy. Everything is

1:26:36.600 --> 1:26:38.760
<v Speaker 2>now different. The Abraham Accords a huge part of this,

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<v Speaker 2>and getting rid of this regime, getting rid of this

1:26:41.439 --> 1:26:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Iranian threat allows the Middle East to have a much

1:26:44.840 --> 1:26:49.000
<v Speaker 2>more stable future. But if Turkey, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia

1:26:49.000 --> 1:26:52.000
<v Speaker 2>are getting together, you could argue this is about trade

1:26:52.040 --> 1:26:56.040
<v Speaker 2>and creating a world without an Iranian regime, or this

1:26:56.120 --> 1:26:58.559
<v Speaker 2>is about creating a new power base to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with the fact that the United States might

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<v Speaker 2>be the hegemonic power now in the Middle East once

1:27:04.400 --> 1:27:05.920
<v Speaker 2>the Ranian regime is gone.

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<v Speaker 3>What is your take on this alleged relationship.

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<v Speaker 11>Well Tony, if you'll allow a shameless plug and encourage

1:27:11.680 --> 1:27:14.320
<v Speaker 11>people to listen to the latest Nation States with Yates,

1:27:14.360 --> 1:27:16.960
<v Speaker 11>it talks about how the map of the Middle East

1:27:17.120 --> 1:27:19.599
<v Speaker 11>was rewritten, we go into some of the deeper things

1:27:20.400 --> 1:27:23.000
<v Speaker 11>that are behind the question. I think it's an important

1:27:23.040 --> 1:27:28.320
<v Speaker 11>question we get at this, specifically this coalition Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan.

1:27:28.840 --> 1:27:31.360
<v Speaker 11>Part of this is the peril of when you empower

1:27:31.439 --> 1:27:35.040
<v Speaker 11>intermediaries to operate on your behalf, to try to come

1:27:35.080 --> 1:27:39.679
<v Speaker 11>to what might be peace terms, whatever the status quo,

1:27:39.840 --> 1:27:43.680
<v Speaker 11>after major military operations are over, and we always have

1:27:43.720 --> 1:27:45.639
<v Speaker 11>to be careful. It's one thing to allow the good

1:27:45.680 --> 1:27:49.559
<v Speaker 11>offices to condemn conversations that otherwise wouldn't happen, But when

1:27:49.560 --> 1:27:53.880
<v Speaker 11>you allow the intermediaries to drag your strategy, then I

1:27:53.880 --> 1:27:56.360
<v Speaker 11>think you're putting a little bit of American strategy and

1:27:56.360 --> 1:27:59.599
<v Speaker 11>interests at risk. And I think the administration is pulled

1:27:59.600 --> 1:28:02.960
<v Speaker 11>back from whether it was Oman, Pakistan or others. But

1:28:03.000 --> 1:28:07.320
<v Speaker 11>they've been empowered and emboldened in some ways in recent

1:28:07.360 --> 1:28:10.640
<v Speaker 11>months in ways they haven't for a long time. And

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<v Speaker 11>of course American interests aren't going to be the same

1:28:12.800 --> 1:28:16.120
<v Speaker 11>as Saudi Arabian interests, but Saudi has a big footprint

1:28:16.120 --> 1:28:19.360
<v Speaker 11>in the Middle East, and we have to continue to

1:28:19.439 --> 1:28:22.639
<v Speaker 11>kind of mind that garden I think a longer term

1:28:22.640 --> 1:28:26.440
<v Speaker 11>and it's better than putting our bets on the theocratic

1:28:26.479 --> 1:28:29.040
<v Speaker 11>empire coming out of Tehran if that isn't stopped in

1:28:29.040 --> 1:28:29.759
<v Speaker 11>the near future.

1:28:30.160 --> 1:28:31.400
<v Speaker 12>So there is this mix.

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<v Speaker 11>I don't like this alternative out there that they're floating.

1:28:35.800 --> 1:28:39.519
<v Speaker 11>I think it is not a happy or friendly signal

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<v Speaker 11>to Washington, which has reached out in good faith with

1:28:43.320 --> 1:28:46.160
<v Speaker 11>all three of these governments, yes in the not too

1:28:46.200 --> 1:28:49.479
<v Speaker 11>distant past, and has done some strategic things that very

1:28:49.560 --> 1:28:53.400
<v Speaker 11>much benefit each of them, and sort of float this

1:28:53.560 --> 1:28:56.200
<v Speaker 11>idea that they are somehow the condominium that's going to

1:28:56.280 --> 1:28:58.479
<v Speaker 11>shape the future of the Middle East that gets away

1:28:58.520 --> 1:29:02.839
<v Speaker 11>from the abraham accords our architecture and reason for being.

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<v Speaker 11>And so I think some work needs to be, you know,

1:29:05.960 --> 1:29:08.679
<v Speaker 11>to encourage some of these to put their horses back

1:29:08.720 --> 1:29:11.160
<v Speaker 11>in the stable a little bit and let's finish what's

1:29:11.200 --> 1:29:14.040
<v Speaker 11>right in front of us. And until that is resolved,

1:29:14.320 --> 1:29:17.200
<v Speaker 11>then there's no pointing you talking about these things, and

1:29:17.280 --> 1:29:19.639
<v Speaker 11>we'd have to pull back on some of the friendly

1:29:19.720 --> 1:29:22.240
<v Speaker 11>things we've offered to you if you're proving not to

1:29:22.280 --> 1:29:24.960
<v Speaker 11>be helpful into doing something that matters to the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do absolutely believe that when we talk about

1:29:28.960 --> 1:29:30.400
<v Speaker 2>a deal that has to be made, the deal that

1:29:30.439 --> 1:29:31.840
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to be made with the RAN, it has

1:29:31.880 --> 1:29:34.679
<v Speaker 2>to be made with Saudi Arabia, Bakra and the UAE,

1:29:35.120 --> 1:29:37.759
<v Speaker 2>that they are going to be active participants in bringing

1:29:37.760 --> 1:29:41.599
<v Speaker 2>an end to this regime and remembering who their friends are.

1:29:41.880 --> 1:29:43.760
<v Speaker 3>They got to get some skin in the game.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like the United States discussing how NATO nations

1:29:47.120 --> 1:29:50.000
<v Speaker 2>have to pay for their own security against the Russians.

1:29:50.040 --> 1:29:53.439
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Yates. Find them at Heritage Dot Oregon. Of course,

1:29:53.760 --> 1:29:57.240
<v Speaker 2>Nation States with the Yates. The podcast available on your

1:29:57.240 --> 1:30:01.000
<v Speaker 2>favorite podcast platform. Good to see sir, We'll talk soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep it here. This is Tony Katz today. I thought

1:30:04.320 --> 1:30:07.200
<v Speaker 2>this was some of the best audio of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Row Conna, the progressive from California, the congressman who

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<v Speaker 2>backs Nazi Graham Platner, sexual abuser, alleged gram Platner, and

1:30:17.720 --> 1:30:20.480
<v Speaker 2>now he's coming out to say, you know, I didn't.

1:30:20.240 --> 1:30:24.960
<v Speaker 3>See the signs. You also endorsed Graham Planter, another left

1:30:25.040 --> 1:30:26.800
<v Speaker 3>candidate who flamed out in the end, to say the

1:30:26.880 --> 1:30:29.520
<v Speaker 3>least amidst scandals, what did you learn from that experience?

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<v Speaker 5>I should have listened to my wife. She's almost never

1:30:32.160 --> 1:30:34.000
<v Speaker 5>made me do an interview. She said, you make it

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<v Speaker 5>clear on the record that I.

1:30:35.280 --> 1:30:40.080
<v Speaker 13>Was opposed to you endorsing him, But on a deeper level,

1:30:40.760 --> 1:30:48.920
<v Speaker 13>there were signs of toxicity that other groups had picked up,

1:30:49.040 --> 1:30:51.120
<v Speaker 13>and I needed to be more sensitive to it.

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<v Speaker 5>I said, I got that call wrong. I made a mistake,

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<v Speaker 5>and it means being more reflective.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that what it means?

1:30:58.800 --> 1:31:01.639
<v Speaker 2>You made a mistake and you learned, and now everything

1:31:01.760 --> 1:31:02.880
<v Speaker 2>is is.

1:31:02.800 --> 1:31:08.200
<v Speaker 3>Fine and dandy. Come now, oh stop it.

1:31:08.320 --> 1:31:14.640
<v Speaker 2>No one's buying that this guy was your ideological kinfolk

1:31:15.240 --> 1:31:18.800
<v Speaker 2>and you didn't care what he did as long as

1:31:18.840 --> 1:31:22.080
<v Speaker 2>you won the Senate and got power. That's the only

1:31:22.160 --> 1:31:27.759
<v Speaker 2>thing that mattered. Congressman, Sometimes we get things wrong. I agree,

1:31:27.800 --> 1:31:30.400
<v Speaker 2>and I could be a guy of total grace and say,

1:31:30.439 --> 1:31:33.880
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I'm so glad you finally see this

1:31:33.960 --> 1:31:35.080
<v Speaker 2>and understand that that's great.

1:31:35.120 --> 1:31:38.559
<v Speaker 3>You're late to the party, but I'm glad that you're here. No, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>The kind of party you wanted to have was super weird.

1:31:41.720 --> 1:31:43.800
<v Speaker 2>It was like a degree or two away from a

1:31:43.920 --> 1:31:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Sean Diddy Combs freak cough. You and I party different.

1:31:47.240 --> 1:31:50.440
<v Speaker 2>My friend and I have no interest in partying with you.

1:31:50.439 --> 1:31:53.720
<v Speaker 2>You wanted the bad guy. That's his story. This is

1:31:53.760 --> 1:32:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Tony Kats today. What is the effect of this economy

1:32:03.120 --> 1:32:07.479
<v Speaker 2>on small business? GDP one point five percent? But we

1:32:07.560 --> 1:32:10.920
<v Speaker 2>had doctor Matt will, the economist at the University of Indianapolis,

1:32:10.960 --> 1:32:15.320
<v Speaker 2>say that number is very misleading because government spending was down,

1:32:15.400 --> 1:32:17.880
<v Speaker 2>and if government spending is part of GDP, it's a

1:32:17.960 --> 1:32:22.759
<v Speaker 2>false number. The underneath is a far far better look.

1:32:23.120 --> 1:32:26.719
<v Speaker 2>We have inflation that you look at. It was point

1:32:26.760 --> 1:32:30.639
<v Speaker 2>one for the month. My gosh, that's terrific and wonderful,

1:32:30.640 --> 1:32:34.280
<v Speaker 2>but still three point four percent overall. That doesn't get

1:32:34.360 --> 1:32:38.439
<v Speaker 2>us to the target rate of the FED. Tony Katz,

1:32:38.520 --> 1:32:41.160
<v Speaker 2>good to be with you. The Small Business Administrator Kelly

1:32:41.240 --> 1:32:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Leffler joins me right now. She is actually the administrator

1:32:46.760 --> 1:32:48.200
<v Speaker 2>of the Small Business Administration.

1:32:48.479 --> 1:32:50.200
<v Speaker 3>We need a better name for that man, We really

1:32:50.280 --> 1:32:50.880
<v Speaker 3>and truly do.

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<v Speaker 2>Visiting the Indiana State Fair today with Senator Todd Young.

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<v Speaker 2>Make sure he holds the umbrella for you, right, He's

1:32:56.960 --> 1:32:59.840
<v Speaker 2>got to do that like a marine holding umbrella for BARACKO. B.

1:33:00.160 --> 1:33:02.519
<v Speaker 2>He's gotta call you wherever you go, man.

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<v Speaker 10>Make sure that happens well, good morning, Tony, and I'll

1:33:06.680 --> 1:33:08.519
<v Speaker 10>just put on a baseball hat. We'll be good to

1:33:08.520 --> 1:33:09.840
<v Speaker 10>go walking around that fair.

1:33:10.120 --> 1:33:12.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's Indianapolis, Indian's Day. We will we will

1:33:12.800 --> 1:33:14.639
<v Speaker 3>get you one. That is an easy one.

1:33:14.800 --> 1:33:18.240
<v Speaker 10>Love that. Thank you. Don't tell my brave friends back home.

1:33:18.520 --> 1:33:21.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, no, we don't tell Atlanta people anything. That's

1:33:21.080 --> 1:33:22.120
<v Speaker 3>part of our code here.

1:33:23.400 --> 1:33:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Let us let us start where we start, which is,

1:33:28.320 --> 1:33:31.880
<v Speaker 2>how is small business doing in the overall sense? In

1:33:31.920 --> 1:33:35.280
<v Speaker 2>an economy that has some solid fundamentals, a tremendous amount

1:33:35.280 --> 1:33:38.920
<v Speaker 2>of AI investing, things still do move along, but it

1:33:39.000 --> 1:33:41.120
<v Speaker 2>isn't as easy as people want it to be.

1:33:42.600 --> 1:33:45.920
<v Speaker 10>Well, Tony, I am glad you asked because small business

1:33:45.960 --> 1:33:48.599
<v Speaker 10>is in growth mode, and you mentioned some economic data

1:33:48.600 --> 1:33:52.080
<v Speaker 10>at the top, And look, the data does point to

1:33:52.280 --> 1:33:55.120
<v Speaker 10>tremendous growth. But I also get to see it on

1:33:55.160 --> 1:33:58.080
<v Speaker 10>the ground every day. So when you hear that we

1:33:58.200 --> 1:34:02.439
<v Speaker 10>have all time record business formation in America every single

1:34:02.520 --> 1:34:06.280
<v Speaker 10>month of twenty twenty six new businesses starting at a

1:34:06.280 --> 1:34:08.120
<v Speaker 10>clip of about a half million.

1:34:07.800 --> 1:34:10.040
<v Speaker 6>New businesses, I can back that up on.

1:34:10.000 --> 1:34:13.880
<v Speaker 10>The ground and say factories are expanding, We're adding jobs,

1:34:13.880 --> 1:34:18.639
<v Speaker 10>and manufacturing and connstruction and that's because we have certainty

1:34:18.680 --> 1:34:23.320
<v Speaker 10>now around working family tax cuts, one hundred percent accelerated expensing.

1:34:23.479 --> 1:34:26.759
<v Speaker 10>So the impetus to build in this country is already

1:34:26.800 --> 1:34:30.400
<v Speaker 10>driving our manufacturing data through the roof. We have all

1:34:30.479 --> 1:34:34.080
<v Speaker 10>time record exports in America because President Trump said We're

1:34:34.080 --> 1:34:37.120
<v Speaker 10>going to have fair trade, not free trade. So I'm

1:34:37.120 --> 1:34:40.719
<v Speaker 10>going to be visiting manufacturers right here in Indianapolis, small

1:34:40.800 --> 1:34:45.720
<v Speaker 10>manufacturers which make up the vast majority of all American producers,

1:34:45.760 --> 1:34:48.439
<v Speaker 10>and they're telling us every single day we can grow

1:34:48.479 --> 1:34:50.960
<v Speaker 10>and higher because we have fair trade, like we're not

1:34:51.000 --> 1:34:54.760
<v Speaker 10>getting Chinese imports dumped on our heads. And that's that

1:34:54.880 --> 1:34:56.719
<v Speaker 10>story is building across this country.

1:34:58.000 --> 1:35:01.679
<v Speaker 2>The idea of where what build the growth You mentioned

1:35:01.720 --> 1:35:05.800
<v Speaker 2>the taxes and certainty in the tax code. Is it

1:35:06.080 --> 1:35:09.439
<v Speaker 2>is it lower taxes that brings people to the table

1:35:09.520 --> 1:35:12.800
<v Speaker 2>to be small business owners to try or is it

1:35:12.920 --> 1:35:16.640
<v Speaker 2>regulatory reduction making it easier to open a business that

1:35:16.640 --> 1:35:17.759
<v Speaker 2>brings people to the table.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you're right, it's both of it.

1:35:21.360 --> 1:35:24.960
<v Speaker 10>Because you think about the cost of regulation, which under

1:35:25.240 --> 1:35:27.160
<v Speaker 10>the Biden administration went up.

1:35:27.160 --> 1:35:29.280
<v Speaker 6>Accumulated five trillion dollars.

1:35:29.280 --> 1:35:32.479
<v Speaker 10>That meant every small business owner had to spend hundreds

1:35:32.560 --> 1:35:36.320
<v Speaker 10>of hours extra every single year to comply with regulation.

1:35:36.760 --> 1:35:41.240
<v Speaker 10>That's a tax, and the Trump administration is rolling it back, including.

1:35:40.880 --> 1:35:41.639
<v Speaker 3>It's the SBA.

1:35:41.720 --> 1:35:44.400
<v Speaker 10>One of our key jobs is not just helping small

1:35:44.439 --> 1:35:49.120
<v Speaker 10>businesses access capital through lending, but it's also deregulation. And

1:35:49.160 --> 1:35:52.080
<v Speaker 10>we've rolled back about one hundred billion, whether it's in

1:35:52.120 --> 1:35:56.320
<v Speaker 10>the agriculture sector, working with EPA to rollback DEAF or

1:35:56.880 --> 1:35:58.439
<v Speaker 10>USCA and other things.

1:35:58.720 --> 1:36:01.200
<v Speaker 6>And so we are deregulating at a really steady clip.

1:36:01.240 --> 1:36:03.120
<v Speaker 10>They've got to have that certainty that they have an

1:36:03.240 --> 1:36:06.800
<v Speaker 10>environment that creates the conditions for their success. But if

1:36:06.840 --> 1:36:10.000
<v Speaker 10>they see a socialist regime coming in and saying you're

1:36:10.000 --> 1:36:12.000
<v Speaker 10>going to pay high taxes, you're going to do what

1:36:12.040 --> 1:36:14.400
<v Speaker 10>the government tells you to do, that's going to kill

1:36:14.520 --> 1:36:18.280
<v Speaker 10>small business. You cannot have socialism in small business coexist.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking to Kelly Leffler, she runs the Small Business Administration,

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<v Speaker 2>the administrator of the Small Business Administration.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things that you've been talking.

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<v Speaker 2>About Forbes with the story that you want to raise

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<v Speaker 2>the five million dollar SBA lending cap. Now, I've been

1:36:36.320 --> 1:36:39.520
<v Speaker 2>a small business owner for a good part of my life.

1:36:39.720 --> 1:36:42.400
<v Speaker 3>I know zero about these rules.

1:36:42.479 --> 1:36:45.600
<v Speaker 2>What are the rules right now and what does the

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<v Speaker 2>lifting of the cap.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you hope that achieves.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, well, if you think about the five million dollar cap,

1:36:51.320 --> 1:36:53.800
<v Speaker 10>that's the limit on what you could borrow under an

1:36:53.920 --> 1:36:57.479
<v Speaker 10>SBA guaranteed loan. SBA loans are put out through local

1:36:57.560 --> 1:37:00.880
<v Speaker 10>lenders and then we simply provide a government guarantee to

1:37:00.960 --> 1:37:01.840
<v Speaker 10>that bank.

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<v Speaker 6>That gives it more confidence to make that loan.

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<v Speaker 10>That cap hasn't been raised since about twenty ten, so

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<v Speaker 10>in today's dollars, that loan size is actually much smaller.

1:37:12.400 --> 1:37:15.120
<v Speaker 10>And then we see the manufacturing boom, and that's really

1:37:15.320 --> 1:37:18.680
<v Speaker 10>SBA's roots is in small manufacturers. We came out of

1:37:18.720 --> 1:37:24.360
<v Speaker 10>the Small Defense Plants Administration when President Eisenhower came home from.

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<v Speaker 6>World War Two as General Eisenhower.

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<v Speaker 10>He said, we've got to keep our industrial base strong,

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<v Speaker 10>and so in peacetime he created the SBA, and you know,

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<v Speaker 10>to build a factory, a small manufacturer like i'll see

1:37:35.280 --> 1:37:37.920
<v Speaker 10>today with fewer than one hundred employees. If you're going

1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:41.000
<v Speaker 10>to buy a robotic welder that your welder is going

1:37:41.080 --> 1:37:45.400
<v Speaker 10>to be working with, you're going to sought by CNC

1:37:45.640 --> 1:37:47.120
<v Speaker 10>machines or planing.

1:37:47.800 --> 1:37:50.840
<v Speaker 6>Those are very extensive pieces of equipment in addition.

1:37:50.479 --> 1:37:52.559
<v Speaker 10>To the land and the building and all that. So

1:37:52.600 --> 1:37:55.760
<v Speaker 10>we want to double the loan size at ten millions.

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<v Speaker 2>A weird question which involves whether or not this is

1:37:59.240 --> 1:38:01.840
<v Speaker 2>the proper role of government to begin with. I believe

1:38:01.880 --> 1:38:04.920
<v Speaker 2>in support of small business. I'm certainly a believer in

1:38:04.960 --> 1:38:07.599
<v Speaker 2>no income tax. I've been very very clear on these subjects.

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<v Speaker 2>I can walk down this road, but on the idea

1:38:10.360 --> 1:38:13.799
<v Speaker 2>of backing alone, is that the proper role of government

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<v Speaker 2>to begin with.

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<v Speaker 10>I am so glad you asked there are no weird

1:38:18.240 --> 1:38:23.600
<v Speaker 10>questions because this is one of the most misunderstood effects

1:38:23.640 --> 1:38:26.680
<v Speaker 10>of the SBA lending, which is all we do is

1:38:26.760 --> 1:38:30.000
<v Speaker 10>provide the government guarantee and who pays for that guarantee

1:38:30.200 --> 1:38:33.639
<v Speaker 10>the lender, and we operate at zero subsidy, which means

1:38:33.680 --> 1:38:37.000
<v Speaker 10>we're cost neutral to the taxpayer, so the banks are

1:38:37.040 --> 1:38:40.080
<v Speaker 10>just subsidizing any of the default rates. The banks take

1:38:40.160 --> 1:38:44.120
<v Speaker 10>the first loss, and so our program by law, has

1:38:44.160 --> 1:38:45.360
<v Speaker 10>to operate at.

1:38:45.160 --> 1:38:47.240
<v Speaker 6>No cost to taxpayer, which.

1:38:47.040 --> 1:38:51.400
<v Speaker 10>Is funded through banks paying servicing and guarantee fees over

1:38:51.400 --> 1:38:53.720
<v Speaker 10>the long haul. And then what it actually does.

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<v Speaker 6>If you look at Indiana, almost six.

1:38:55.840 --> 1:38:58.439
<v Speaker 10>Hundred thousand small businesses in the state.

1:38:58.880 --> 1:39:01.280
<v Speaker 6>They make up ninety nine nine percent of all businesses.

1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:04.240
<v Speaker 10>Here, you get the benefit of expanding the tax base

1:39:04.720 --> 1:39:07.880
<v Speaker 10>creating jobs. Small businesses create two out of every three

1:39:07.960 --> 1:39:10.479
<v Speaker 10>new jobs in our economy. And then you don't have

1:39:10.880 --> 1:39:14.960
<v Speaker 10>one small business subsidizing another. And we work really hard

1:39:14.960 --> 1:39:17.840
<v Speaker 10>to make sure the underwriting guidelines are stringent, and people

1:39:17.880 --> 1:39:21.439
<v Speaker 10>who aren't supposed to get a loan aren't getting loans.

1:39:21.439 --> 1:39:24.400
<v Speaker 10>So we were restoring that because the buid administration have

1:39:24.520 --> 1:39:25.320
<v Speaker 10>blown that up too.

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<v Speaker 2>Who are the people who aren't supposed to be getting

1:39:27.400 --> 1:39:28.280
<v Speaker 2>the loans?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, quite simply, if you don't meet the underwriting standards

1:39:32.800 --> 1:39:35.639
<v Speaker 10>that make sure that you can pay back the loan

1:39:35.840 --> 1:39:38.760
<v Speaker 10>to tax pay, you know that has a taxpayer guarantee

1:39:39.479 --> 1:39:41.799
<v Speaker 10>that you're not getting it. And so you think about

1:39:42.120 --> 1:39:44.160
<v Speaker 10>you've got to have a certain debt coverage ratio.

1:39:44.200 --> 1:39:45.679
<v Speaker 6>You've got your business has.

1:39:45.600 --> 1:39:48.920
<v Speaker 10>To bring in the income to cover the debt service.

1:39:49.680 --> 1:39:53.000
<v Speaker 10>Small business loans require you to pledge collateral. In some

1:39:53.160 --> 1:39:56.200
<v Speaker 10>cases you're homes and we don't want to put people

1:39:56.200 --> 1:39:58.479
<v Speaker 10>in that position. If you lend to a small business,

1:39:58.560 --> 1:40:01.559
<v Speaker 10>you want them to succeed, not to struggle. And so

1:40:01.560 --> 1:40:03.960
<v Speaker 10>we are trying to make sure that we're lending to

1:40:04.040 --> 1:40:05.240
<v Speaker 10>healthy small businesses.

1:40:05.439 --> 1:40:06.959
<v Speaker 6>And I'm going to be visiting a couple.

1:40:06.760 --> 1:40:09.680
<v Speaker 10>Of days that I've used SBA services. I was at

1:40:09.680 --> 1:40:14.599
<v Speaker 10>a groundbreaking last week in Georgia. They're now on adding

1:40:14.720 --> 1:40:18.000
<v Speaker 10>five hundred more employees. They started with an SBA loan.

1:40:18.960 --> 1:40:21.880
<v Speaker 10>They're going to be up to one thousand employees within

1:40:22.560 --> 1:40:25.439
<v Speaker 10>ten years of their founding. And that's really powerful when

1:40:25.439 --> 1:40:28.519
<v Speaker 10>you think about bringing back our industrial know how, our

1:40:28.640 --> 1:40:32.479
<v Speaker 10>job creation. And he did it in small part with

1:40:32.520 --> 1:40:33.320
<v Speaker 10>an SBA loan.

1:40:34.160 --> 1:40:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Talking to you, Kelly Leffler, a Small Business Administration administrator,

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<v Speaker 2>and I should correct you on one thing, the idea

1:40:40.439 --> 1:40:43.040
<v Speaker 2>that there are no weird questions. You've been in politics

1:40:43.120 --> 1:40:45.840
<v Speaker 2>long enough. I've been in radio long enough. There are

1:40:45.960 --> 1:40:50.599
<v Speaker 2>very often very weird questions. But you're at the Indiana

1:40:50.880 --> 1:40:52.479
<v Speaker 2>State Fair and you're going to be talking to business

1:40:52.520 --> 1:40:54.480
<v Speaker 2>owners there, and we're going to get you in Indianapolis,

1:40:54.479 --> 1:40:57.559
<v Speaker 2>Indians hat or our minor league team, somebody make that happen,

1:40:57.920 --> 1:40:59.719
<v Speaker 2>or one of the usays to run over a colts

1:40:59.720 --> 1:41:01.480
<v Speaker 2>hat to the administrator.

1:41:01.520 --> 1:41:02.240
<v Speaker 3>That would be great.

1:41:03.000 --> 1:41:05.760
<v Speaker 2>The story over at CBS News was that you're being

1:41:05.840 --> 1:41:08.760
<v Speaker 2>dispatched to Iowa to campaign for Republicans.

1:41:08.800 --> 1:41:10.880
<v Speaker 3>It was the first I had read of the story.

1:41:10.880 --> 1:41:14.080
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know why anybody is being dispatched to Iowa.

1:41:14.120 --> 1:41:15.960
<v Speaker 2>They also have a lovely state fair, not as good

1:41:16.000 --> 1:41:18.200
<v Speaker 2>as ours, but still very very good.

1:41:18.400 --> 1:41:20.120
<v Speaker 3>Are you on your way to Iowa? Who are you

1:41:20.160 --> 1:41:22.679
<v Speaker 3>campaigning for? Well?

1:41:22.760 --> 1:41:25.200
<v Speaker 10>I am going over to Iowa to do the same thing,

1:41:25.200 --> 1:41:27.320
<v Speaker 10>which is to go to the Iowa State Fair and

1:41:27.400 --> 1:41:30.840
<v Speaker 10>meet with farmers, meet with small businesses. Be over there

1:41:30.920 --> 1:41:34.519
<v Speaker 10>with some of our great senators and congressional representatives, just

1:41:34.560 --> 1:41:38.439
<v Speaker 10>as I am here in Indiana. I'm a Midwestern kid.

1:41:38.520 --> 1:41:39.520
<v Speaker 10>I grew up showing.

1:41:39.280 --> 1:41:41.799
<v Speaker 6>Cattle at the state fair, so this is like pure.

1:41:41.720 --> 1:41:43.760
<v Speaker 10>Joy for me to be out doing this.

1:41:43.960 --> 1:41:45.760
<v Speaker 6>But I also will be at the Field of.

1:41:45.760 --> 1:41:50.719
<v Speaker 10>Dreams baseball game tonight representing the administration. So my favorite

1:41:50.720 --> 1:41:53.560
<v Speaker 10>place to be is on the ground with our small businesses,

1:41:54.040 --> 1:41:55.200
<v Speaker 10>listening to their feedback.

1:41:55.320 --> 1:41:56.880
<v Speaker 6>Taking it back to Washington.

1:41:57.680 --> 1:42:00.679
<v Speaker 10>So I spend my week's travel the country.

1:42:00.720 --> 1:42:03.280
<v Speaker 6>I've been in over forty states now, and that's what

1:42:03.320 --> 1:42:03.519
<v Speaker 6>I do.

1:42:03.600 --> 1:42:05.679
<v Speaker 10>It's what I love. And I'm a small business kid.

1:42:05.760 --> 1:42:07.520
<v Speaker 10>I grew up in farming.

1:42:07.160 --> 1:42:09.479
<v Speaker 6>And trucking business, and I just want to.

1:42:09.400 --> 1:42:11.519
<v Speaker 10>Make sure that we give more people the chance to

1:42:11.560 --> 1:42:12.599
<v Speaker 10>live the American dream.

1:42:13.000 --> 1:42:14.720
<v Speaker 3>So none of this is on the political tip.

1:42:14.720 --> 1:42:16.960
<v Speaker 2>We're not campaigning for people because we see an issue

1:42:16.960 --> 1:42:18.040
<v Speaker 2>in the polling or anything else.

1:42:19.800 --> 1:42:23.639
<v Speaker 10>Look, I've been in red shakes, blue states everywhere out

1:42:23.680 --> 1:42:27.840
<v Speaker 10>with our great members of Congress. And no I was

1:42:27.880 --> 1:42:30.599
<v Speaker 10>at the Iowa State Care last year, and so I

1:42:30.640 --> 1:42:33.040
<v Speaker 10>was hoping to get back and get another milkshake over

1:42:33.080 --> 1:42:33.679
<v Speaker 10>there again.

1:42:33.800 --> 1:42:35.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, no, no, I'll do you. Look are at

1:42:35.880 --> 1:42:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Farmers and Ranchers Administrator somewhere.

1:42:38.880 --> 1:42:41.200
<v Speaker 2>If you're at the fair, the dairy bar sometimes called

1:42:41.240 --> 1:42:43.800
<v Speaker 2>the dairy Barn, is right around the corner. They've got

1:42:43.840 --> 1:42:46.400
<v Speaker 2>the blue Raspberry milkshake this year, and they have the

1:42:46.439 --> 1:42:48.760
<v Speaker 2>big deal grilled cheese with the pickle in.

1:42:48.840 --> 1:42:50.360
<v Speaker 3>It tells Senator.

1:42:50.040 --> 1:42:52.200
<v Speaker 2>Young to put his hand in his pocket and pay

1:42:52.200 --> 1:42:54.600
<v Speaker 2>for these things and handle it like the man that

1:42:54.680 --> 1:42:55.000
<v Speaker 2>he is.

1:42:55.400 --> 1:42:57.479
<v Speaker 3>Try that, enjoy it. You will never leave.

1:42:57.800 --> 1:43:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Kelly Lepler, a small business administration administrator.

1:43:00.800 --> 1:43:02.879
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you taking the time to be with us.

1:43:03.360 --> 1:43:03.960
<v Speaker 10>Thank you, Jolly.

1:43:04.920 --> 1:43:07.960
<v Speaker 2>I like Kelly Leffler, this is not the first time

1:43:08.080 --> 1:43:10.040
<v Speaker 2>we've had a chance to talk. That was from my

1:43:10.680 --> 1:43:13.080
<v Speaker 2>morning show earlier today, and I wanted to bring it

1:43:13.120 --> 1:43:19.200
<v Speaker 2>to you. I have a weird, odd habit in that

1:43:19.640 --> 1:43:21.880
<v Speaker 2>I want to hear what people say, and.

1:43:21.840 --> 1:43:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Then I want to be able to go back and discuss.

1:43:25.439 --> 1:43:26.400
<v Speaker 3>And there's certainly times.

1:43:26.280 --> 1:43:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Where I push back or I asked the follow up question,

1:43:28.600 --> 1:43:28.880
<v Speaker 2>as you.

1:43:28.920 --> 1:43:30.560
<v Speaker 3>Heard me, do there.

1:43:31.840 --> 1:43:35.000
<v Speaker 2>The fundamentals that we keep hearing about in this economy

1:43:35.800 --> 1:43:38.360
<v Speaker 2>and how things are working. I do think that that

1:43:38.479 --> 1:43:41.519
<v Speaker 2>is true. There is a real success that it's happening there.

1:43:41.960 --> 1:43:45.639
<v Speaker 2>The problem is is that people who want to teut

1:43:45.680 --> 1:43:50.360
<v Speaker 2>that are denying the actual cost of things. So you

1:43:50.400 --> 1:43:54.040
<v Speaker 2>can argue some fundamentals and it will work in your favor,

1:43:54.520 --> 1:43:57.360
<v Speaker 2>but you can't argue it well on Midwest main Street

1:43:57.439 --> 1:44:01.080
<v Speaker 2>when you see the other things happening, When you see

1:44:01.080 --> 1:44:05.040
<v Speaker 2>the price of beef, when you see insurances, etc. Where

1:44:05.040 --> 1:44:08.040
<v Speaker 2>we are with gas prices, you have to accept that

1:44:08.280 --> 1:44:12.040
<v Speaker 2>these things are in conflict. And I go back to

1:44:12.080 --> 1:44:14.479
<v Speaker 2>something that Kevin O'Leary was talking about that we've discussed

1:44:14.520 --> 1:44:18.200
<v Speaker 2>on the show with Doctor Will repeatedly, if I take

1:44:18.240 --> 1:44:23.120
<v Speaker 2>the AI, spend the crazy amount of money going into AI,

1:44:23.760 --> 1:44:26.639
<v Speaker 2>If I take that out of the equation. Tariffs are

1:44:26.720 --> 1:44:29.160
<v Speaker 2>kicking the living crap out of this economy, morning, noon,

1:44:29.200 --> 1:44:33.799
<v Speaker 2>and night. But there is Kelly Leffler talking fair trade

1:44:33.880 --> 1:44:38.360
<v Speaker 2>over free trade, and I realized in that moment, I've

1:44:38.400 --> 1:44:43.519
<v Speaker 2>never really had that conversation with everybody. I've never gotten

1:44:43.600 --> 1:44:48.320
<v Speaker 2>into where I am on free trade versus fair trade

1:44:48.360 --> 1:44:50.679
<v Speaker 2>and what that means. So I figured I would start

1:44:50.720 --> 1:44:53.639
<v Speaker 2>with just a just a little bit of a hey,

1:44:54.040 --> 1:44:57.760
<v Speaker 2>just you know, here's where I'm at. Free trade is

1:44:57.800 --> 1:45:03.560
<v Speaker 2>about prioritizing market faiency, removing government barriers, allowing prices to

1:45:03.600 --> 1:45:07.240
<v Speaker 2>be set by supplying demand. Fair trade is focused on

1:45:08.000 --> 1:45:14.200
<v Speaker 2>allowing for these kinds of things labor standards, certain minimums,

1:45:14.680 --> 1:45:19.200
<v Speaker 2>applying of tariffs, et cetera. So fair trade is about

1:45:19.320 --> 1:45:22.719
<v Speaker 2>the concept of leveling versus free trade, which is about

1:45:22.760 --> 1:45:27.719
<v Speaker 2>allowing the market to decide. I am a free trade guy.

1:45:27.920 --> 1:45:31.280
<v Speaker 2>I think that's obvious in my presentations, But don't think

1:45:31.280 --> 1:45:33.559
<v Speaker 2>I've ever used the words before, because it just I

1:45:33.560 --> 1:45:35.200
<v Speaker 2>guess it hasn't come up like that, And I thought,

1:45:35.280 --> 1:45:39.200
<v Speaker 2>here's Kelly Lofler bringing it up. I should comment. Do

1:45:39.280 --> 1:45:43.120
<v Speaker 2>I believe that there is no place for tariffs? No

1:45:43.960 --> 1:45:47.160
<v Speaker 2>do I believe that tariffs as an overall blanket policy

1:45:47.200 --> 1:45:48.000
<v Speaker 2>is a good idea?

1:45:48.360 --> 1:45:48.519
<v Speaker 4>No?

1:45:49.400 --> 1:45:52.240
<v Speaker 2>I think tariff is an overall blanket idea is terrible.

1:45:52.800 --> 1:45:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Do I believe that there are nations that involve in

1:45:55.400 --> 1:45:58.360
<v Speaker 2>abuses of our system and the manipulation of their currencies

1:45:58.360 --> 1:45:59.320
<v Speaker 2>in order to get.

1:45:59.200 --> 1:46:01.120
<v Speaker 3>Advantage on us? I do.

1:46:01.120 --> 1:46:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Do I believe there are nations that steal from us

1:46:03.360 --> 1:46:05.280
<v Speaker 2>in order to be able to gain our technologies to

1:46:05.360 --> 1:46:07.599
<v Speaker 2>use against us and sell against US. Yes, but that's

1:46:07.680 --> 1:46:12.479
<v Speaker 2>enough about China. China is where I absolutely concur that

1:46:12.560 --> 1:46:16.000
<v Speaker 2>we must have a lot of aggression, whether that be

1:46:16.040 --> 1:46:19.759
<v Speaker 2>tariffs or something else, in order to make them suffer

1:46:19.800 --> 1:46:22.640
<v Speaker 2>for their theft. I also believe we should eliminate the

1:46:22.640 --> 1:46:25.120
<v Speaker 2>debt we owe China. We've already paid it and what

1:46:25.120 --> 1:46:27.200
<v Speaker 2>they've stolen in giving us COVID, We've paid it.

1:46:28.160 --> 1:46:28.360
<v Speaker 3>Now.

1:46:28.400 --> 1:46:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Someone may say to me, l Tony, isn't that a contradiction?

1:46:31.439 --> 1:46:34.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. And we will get into this,

1:46:34.280 --> 1:46:37.479
<v Speaker 2>this free trade versus fair trade conversation and what it

1:46:37.600 --> 1:46:40.160
<v Speaker 2>actually means. What does it mean to our daily lives?

1:46:40.200 --> 1:46:42.720
<v Speaker 2>What would it mean to our level of spend? What

1:46:42.760 --> 1:46:45.480
<v Speaker 2>does it mean to our economy, does it somehow affect

1:46:45.600 --> 1:46:47.640
<v Speaker 2>what we view as capitalism? And maybe part of our

1:46:47.640 --> 1:46:50.880
<v Speaker 2>issue is that definition as well. So in going over

1:46:51.240 --> 1:46:54.439
<v Speaker 2>my conversation with Kelly Leffler, I get into this place

1:46:54.439 --> 1:46:57.360
<v Speaker 2>here and we're going to dig in in the weeks ahead.

1:46:57.400 --> 1:46:58.720
<v Speaker 3>I hope you'll be there. Keep it here.

1:46:58.800 --> 1:47:03.240
<v Speaker 2>It's Tony Katz today, the former CFO of the Southern

1:47:03.280 --> 1:47:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Poverty Law Center arrested for federal fraud. Couldn't happen to

1:47:08.280 --> 1:47:12.760
<v Speaker 2>a worse organization, huh, Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good

1:47:12.800 --> 1:47:13.240
<v Speaker 2>to be with you.

1:47:13.479 --> 1:47:14.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm not.

1:47:14.000 --> 1:47:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Saying that the Southern Poverty Law Center engaged in any fraud.

1:47:17.120 --> 1:47:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh No, I would never say anything like that, because

1:47:20.760 --> 1:47:25.200
<v Speaker 2>there are lawyers. I would say that it seems clear

1:47:25.400 --> 1:47:28.800
<v Speaker 2>that they funded white supremacist groups so they could scream, hey,

1:47:28.880 --> 1:47:32.320
<v Speaker 2>look there's white supremacy and then ask donors for more money.

1:47:32.520 --> 1:47:36.640
<v Speaker 2>That's that is what it looks like. Allegedly possibly you know,

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<v Speaker 2>again the lawyers. But in this story, the encapsulated version,

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<v Speaker 2>this woman had a boyfriend who was part of a

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<v Speaker 2>hate group, and the Southern Poverty Law Center was paying

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<v Speaker 2>the informant. She oversaw the financial arrangements, was living with the.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy, and some of the money ended up in a

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<v Speaker 3>joint checking account.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, I don't spend my time thinking about criminal enterprises,

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<v Speaker 2>but if I did, I could never have thought of

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<v Speaker 2>doing that that. I just could not have come to

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<v Speaker 2>that possibility. So bravo and the creativity enjoy jail. Find

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<v Speaker 2>everything at Tony Katz dot com. Tomorrow, everyone, take care.