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Speaker 3: The Pacers are still trying to get Rick Carlisle's one

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Speaker 3: Indiana football is the story. It's the story the Indiana

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Speaker 3: I mean historically, Eddie Garrison, of college teams basketball or

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Speaker 3: I want you to start a clock for me, Eddie, okay,

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Speaker 3: Here we go from the time that he says, and listen,

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Speaker 3: recent experiences.

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Speaker 2: That's the challenge.

436
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Speaker 3: That's what's going to be hard for fans to get

437
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 3: excited about when they look at it and they say, so,

438
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 3: you trended in a direction that, by your own admission,

439
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 3: is the direction the opposite of where things were when

440
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 3: you were had some juice, and you're stuck in that

441
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 3: direction and you feel that what is going to be different?

442
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 3: And yes, I know Andrew Luck retired the rest of

443
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: the league. You know what Andrew Luck's known for right

444
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 3: now amongst players playing in the NFL The moment where

445
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 3: he was doing an interview on the sidelines watching a

446
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: Stanford football game and there's a fumble and he goes

447
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: whoa ball and he runs off and then he comes

448
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: back and he looks like he might be a lit professor.

449
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 3: That's what most people know of because it's been that

450
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: long since he's played in the not for long National

451
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: Football League. I just in that press conference, wanted to

452
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 3: hear more of what the game plan is and how

453
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Speaker 3: we all know it needs to get turned around. We

454
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Speaker 3: all know that everyone knows that what is the roadmap

455
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Speaker 3: is what's going to be different. We've all had those

456
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 3: situations where you say to somebody, You're like, no, just

457
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 3: give me another chance, I promise, and they go, okay,

458
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: well what and you go, well, I just I've learned. Okay,

459
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: you've learned, but you need to show me. You need

460
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Speaker 3: to show me. And yes, maybe it's unfair for me

461
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 3: to sit here in January and say you need to

462
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 3: show me when the season doesn't get underway until April

463
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: May with you know, OTAs and then camp in August whatever.

464
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: There's not a lot they can show right now except

465
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 3: for the last three years you said the same thing

466
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Speaker 3: and then we're not able to show me. And I

467
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 3: just feel like this is a fan base that is loyal,

468
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 3: that is patient, that is financially invested. And while yes,

469
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that you give your fans rings if

470
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: they win, and it doesn't mean that the fans get

471
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: to go down and spray champagne in the locker room,

472
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Speaker 3: but they want to at least feel that their emotion

473
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Speaker 3: and their finance is going to a place that is

474
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 3: going to give them some stake at some point of

475
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Speaker 3: the feeling of reward, of progress being not just acted out,

476
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Speaker 3: but seem to begin with, and a road map of

477
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 3: that is being laid out. We'll go over plenty more

478
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: with the Chris Baller press conference from today. Play you

479
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Speaker 3: more on what he had to say. Take your questions

480
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: on things that we may not have played that you

481
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Speaker 3: wonder if he addressed.

482
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Speaker 2: We will do all of that.

483
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: We will also talk Anthony Thompson coming up one o'clock

484
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: talking Indiana football today, Zach Osterman. Osterman boots on the

485
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: ground again in Atlanta. We will do Pacers in Action tonight.

486
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: Tony East joins us to talk about what happens with

487
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Speaker 3: the Hornets and another guy on a ten day.

488
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Speaker 2: We'll get to it next.

489
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Speaker 3: So this basically summarizes, does it not, where things are

490
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: not only for the Colts but the Pacers as well.

491
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 4: Yes, spending right around, Yeah, yeah, both of them.

492
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: The Pacers have been sitting on Rick Carlisle's nine hundred

493
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: and ninety ninth career win. Now for the last that

494
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: I checked, three months and seven days.

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Speaker 2: Right, something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, joining us now on the Java House Peelingport guest

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Speaker 3: there in water there's your beverage. Tony East joins us

501
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: on the program from Forbes Locked on Pacers, Tony, how

502
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 3: are you?

503
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 7: I'm great?

504
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 8: And I liked that you let in with Carlisle's nine

505
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Speaker 8: ninety nine because I wrote I pre wrote the story

506
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 8: of him getting a thousand put the quotes in during

507
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 8: the NBA Cup break.

508
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 7: That was almost a month ago. Now it's been crazy.

509
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, I have to And at

510
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: this point, if you have player comments in there, you

511
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: got to go back and adjust because some of them

512
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: are probably gone, right.

513
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 8: TJ McConnell said in December instead of just said, yes.

514
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: That's right, Okay, let's begin with this. You know, for

515
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Speaker 3: what it's worth. I saw you had yesterday. I was

516
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: a little confused by it. It's relative inconsequential admittedly, but

517
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Speaker 3: the wave of Tony Bradley and then the call of

518
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Speaker 3: well maybe actually hang on can we talk what's behind

519
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Speaker 3: all of that?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, money savings.

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Speaker 8: Basically, you know, if you pretend right now that in

522
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Speaker 8: the next ten days, because he already signed his ten day,

523
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Speaker 8: the best trade ever for the Pacers falls into the

524
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Speaker 8: PACER's lap, but it requires them to wave somebody to

525
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Speaker 8: do it. If they wave Tony Bradley on his ten day,

526
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Speaker 8: they have very little financial, you know impact by doing so.

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Speaker 8: If they had him on his old deal and they

528
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Speaker 8: had to wave him in the same situation, they would

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Speaker 8: have had a lot more of a financial impact. So

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Speaker 8: it just saves him a lot of money. And if

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Speaker 8: they you know, give him another ten day after this

532
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Speaker 8: ten day gets them basically all the way to the

533
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Speaker 8: trade deadline and maximizes all of that flexibility. So you know,

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Speaker 8: it's just all about money and options. Because they're less

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Speaker 8: than a month in the deadline, they got to figure

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Speaker 8: out what they're going to do at some point, and

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Speaker 8: if they don't have to lose any players but can

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Speaker 8: save money to do it, seems like a win win

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Speaker 8: to meet.

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Speaker 3: Realistically, of the roster you look at right now, and

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Speaker 3: if you're talking about Tony, the assumption that you have

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Speaker 3: everyone healthy, okay, so once Haliburton's back once Topping's back on.

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Speaker 2: You know all of that.

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Speaker 3: Right you're looking at the players that we have right now,

545
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Speaker 3: how many odd men out would be? How many people

546
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Speaker 3: not names, but how many individuals would they have to make?

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Speaker 2: Two of them would have to go?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, two or three for sure, I would say.

549
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Speaker 3: Now now we'll go names. The two or three that

550
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Speaker 3: you feel like are just roster fillers right now. And

551
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Speaker 3: even though they can pretend there's future, the reality is

552
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Speaker 3: once you're back fully healthy, they probably get a parting gift.

553
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Speaker 8: Yeah, they don't need four centers right like now that

554
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 8: Micha Potter looks like a player, you know, you saw

555
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 8: him courtside, right like, he's an energy giver too.

556
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Speaker 7: For a team that really needs it. You know they don't.

557
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Speaker 8: They probably won't need Tony Bradley once Isaiah Jackson is

558
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 8: eventually back healthy. So i'd imagine that's one of the

559
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Speaker 8: few guys that you you'd say is not going to

560
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Speaker 8: be around. But right now, Isaiah Jackson does have a concussion.

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Speaker 8: This is a long one, by the way, so all

562
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Speaker 8: the more reason to stick with it. I don't know

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Speaker 8: if there's anybody else that, like I can immediately point

564
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Speaker 8: to and say that should be one of the players

565
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 8: who isn't playing. There's just a lot of guys who

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Speaker 8: are currently getting minutes that certainly would not when those

567
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 8: guys are back, and there's just a lot of fluff

568
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 8: at the back, like not all of Furfy, Shepherd and

569
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Speaker 8: Walker can play when the team is fully healthy. This

570
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 8: Cam Jones or Ethan Thompson decision they've made for the

571
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 8: last spot in the rotation, Like neither of those guys

572
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 8: would play if they were fully healthy. I don't want

573
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Speaker 8: to say that those guys shouldn't be on the team

574
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Speaker 8: necessarily because a lot of the names I just said

575
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Speaker 8: are young guys certainly, but not in the mix for

576
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 8: actual real minutes. All those guys if they had Haliburt

577
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Speaker 8: and Topping and everybody else available right now.

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Speaker 3: You know, Cam Jones is an interesting one. People have

579
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Speaker 3: asked me this. I will defer the question to you.

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Speaker 3: I know, in the beginning there was injury. There Is

581
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Speaker 3: he not on the floor now just because of rotation

582
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Speaker 3: and lost time because of the injury, or is he

583
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Speaker 3: in fact still injured.

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Speaker 7: You can see him in the games.

585
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Speaker 8: He's got this big pad on for his back right

586
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Speaker 8: and you know with injuries like any back thing, as

587
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 8: we saw with Halbert in a few years ago, Like

588
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 8: it takes kind of constant management. I don't know if

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Speaker 8: that's the reason that he's not playing though, Like the

590
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Speaker 8: two did they play the Spurs, when they played the Spurs,

591
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Speaker 8: like they put him in the second half after Matherin

592
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 8: got into foul trouble and he came in and like

593
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 8: credibly guarded Deer and Fox and moved pretty well and

594
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 8: was kind of additive in ten minutes. Right, Like he

595
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 8: is producing okay enough when he actually is on the floor.

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Speaker 8: I think Rick for a lot of his decisions of late,

597
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 8: has kind of just chosen the guy that he thinks

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Speaker 8: gives them the best chance to win or fits the

599
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 8: matchups the best. He said Jay Huff started over Michael

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Speaker 8: Potter in their last game because of matchups, which is

601
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Speaker 8: not related to your Cam Jones question, but does certainly

602
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Speaker 8: tell that he is still searching for the best fit

603
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Speaker 8: in any single moment of who he thinks gives the

604
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 8: team the best chance to win at that instance, and

605
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 8: so if he thinks Cam Jones can actually help them,

606
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Speaker 8: he'll put him on the floor.

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Speaker 7: And he has actually done that when given.

608
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Speaker 8: Chances, but there are a lot of chances where he's

609
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Speaker 8: not giving them the best chance to win.

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Speaker 7: There will be a time this year, though.

611
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Speaker 8: Where they just have to play him every game, like

612
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Speaker 8: there will be no other choice because they need to

613
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Speaker 8: see what they have in him. And he's been fine

614
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Speaker 8: despite not playing for two and a half months to

615
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 8: start the season. He's actually been fine in his minutes.

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Speaker 3: So far, Tony, Where would you assess the mental aspect

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Speaker 3: for Pascal Siakam.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's brutal for everybody at own point, and

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Speaker 8: you know, you got to it's really interesting seeing these

620
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 8: guys around each other because a lot of the times

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Speaker 8: they still feel like not last year's team necessarily, but

622
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Speaker 8: just like in general, a tight knit team that knows

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Speaker 8: what they're capable of, and they like being around each other,

624
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 8: and they do have a lot of enjoyable personalities on

625
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 8: their team, and you know, they go through their pregame

626
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 8: routines and everybody's smiling and ready to play, and then

627
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 8: at some point in the game they all look like

628
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 8: they've never met before and this is the worst thing ever.

629
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 8: And then they wear their hearts on their sleeves that

630
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 8: postgame and they're, you know, all upset because they've lost

631
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 8: thirteen games in a row, and that's natural, like that's

632
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 8: what losing does to teams. But Siakam is the guy

633
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 8: that's like, I mean this sounds rich because they're six

634
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 8: and thirty one, but like he is producing all star stats,

635
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 8: Like his stats are better in the NBA this year.

636
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 8: It's like him and eight guys, that's it, and they're

637
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 8: so bad that there's no chance he's gonna be an

638
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 8: All Star, to be clear, but he is. He's been

639
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 8: awesome and he's doing everything he can and there's like

640
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 8: three or four times a game where he gets frustrated

641
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 8: because somebody does the play wrong or cuts it a

642
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 8: horrible time and it messes up his drive or messes

643
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 8: up a defensive coverage.

644
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 7: And not that he's like immune from.

645
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 8: Mistakes, but for a guy that for his whole career,

646
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 8: winning is the center. And I don't even mean that

647
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 8: as like everybody claims they want to win, Like how

648
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 8: often I've heard Pascal Siakam say on the record and

649
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 8: postgam press are like about winning and he's like, if

650
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 8: we win, we all get paid, Like how great is that?

651
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Speaker 8: Like he wants it for everybody to be what it's

652
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Speaker 8: all about. And part of why I think he wanted

653
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 8: to be done with Toronto is the winning wasn't happening

654
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 8: anymore and it felt like perhaps a far away thing

655
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 8: to him, and he came here and they're immediately very

656
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 8: good and they're not winning at all. In fact, they're

657
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 8: winning a historically low amount right now in franchise history,

658
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 8: and that hurts everybody, but it really hurts somebody like that,

659
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 8: And I think the hard part for a lot of

660
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 8: these guys is they kind of realize they have to

661
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 8: take it because they know they can be good again

662
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 8: next year. So you just got to wait it out.

663
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 8: But I mean, do you have to deal with it now?

664
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 8: And it sucks to have to do that, and they

665
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 8: there's no sight of a win anytime soon. They keep

666
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 8: blowing every game with one bad eight minute stretch, but

667
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 8: they just kind of have to take it. And that's

668
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 8: not fun for anybody, even if it is, you know,

669
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 8: maybe not more upy than you'd expect from a thirteen

670
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 8: win team, but just like a group that is still

671
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 8: very complimentary and positive of each other, they just can't

672
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 8: beat anybody, like literally anybody right.

673
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: Now, Tony, let me ask we've not really gone over

674
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: this in a while. I haven't asked you this in

675
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 3: some time, truthfully, Tyrese Haliburton we know obviously, and look

676
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 3: is his difference literally that between a half a win

677
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 3: from an NBA title and a six win team. There

678
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: are other variables there, right, but he clearly is very important.

679
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: Where do things stand on the timeline of his health

680
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: and rehabilitation.

681
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Speaker 8: I have wondered how much of this can be attributed

682
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 8: to him, because I mean even last year they were

683
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 8: four and five with autum or whatever it was like,

684
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 8: looked like not a good team, but a real team,

685
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 8: you know there. So there's obviously so much more going

686
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 8: on than just than just his absence. And they lost

687
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 8: their starting center too, and they've always been missing someone else,

688
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 8: whether it's McConnell, top and name every player on the team.

689
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 8: James Johnson's gone, they're coaching staffs different, right, There's a

690
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 8: million factors to talk about. As for you know, Haliburton

691
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 8: telt right now. The last time he did an update

692
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 8: was on Prime last month. But like we can see

693
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 8: now since then, the thing he does now that he

694
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 8: wasn't doing when he did that interview is he's doing

695
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 8: actual sometimes not every game a pregame workout, Like it's

696
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 8: just shooting and.

697
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 7: Kind of moving around.

698
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 8: He's not like looking explosive or running really fast or dunking.

699
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 7: All the time or anything.

700
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 8: But you know that's actual basketball activity in a way

701
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 8: that has it hadn't been shown before, and you know

702
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 8: the shots were going in and working through that part

703
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 8: of this now of get getting your body back to trusted,

704
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 8: getting your body back to the size that you want

705
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 8: to play at. You know you can't do a lot

706
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 8: for mos like your body shape is going to change

707
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 8: a little bit. So I think he's at that kind

708
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 8: of stage now where he's got to add strength to

709
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 8: that leg again and get used to playing basketball again

710
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 8: after such a long time off. So still not like

711
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Speaker 8: I don't know what you want to call close, playing

712
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 8: in scrimmages or whatever, but certainly progressing and able to

713
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 8: actually like dribble and shoot a ball on a court

714
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 8: in a uniform in a way that was not even

715
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 8: a thing last time we heard from him.

716
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: Johnny Furfey getting increased minutes, one would assume that those

717
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: are minutes that Jeris Walker would still be getting also

718
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 3: to develop where he needs. Do we pit those two

719
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Speaker 3: against one another in that? And what do you see

720
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Speaker 3: from Furfey?

721
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's possible to put him against each

722
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 8: other if you want to say that their rotation from

723
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 8: the finals team is going to be similar next year,

724
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Speaker 8: but maybe like minus Ben Matherin plus someone who steps

725
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 8: into Ben Matheren spot, Like the.

726
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 7: Two guys would be Walker or Furfey.

727
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Speaker 8: Who's it going to be in theory, And you know,

728
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 8: Furfey has just like he just is so.

729
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 7: Tenacious and I can't even describe it.

730
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 8: Wile he like it's almost like when he plays, he's

731
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 8: like asked to be a wilderness survivor and he's so

732
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 8: good at like, Okay, I'm gonna find a rebound here,

733
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 8: I'm gonna shut my guy down there.

734
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 7: And so even if his shots not.

735
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Speaker 8: Falling, he just finds all these one possession little ways

736
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Speaker 8: to impact his team. And is I think a better

737
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 8: fifth option right now for the starting spot, which is

738
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Speaker 8: why he's getting I think a little bit more burnan

739
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 8: Jarris Jeris can do more things.

740
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 7: He's a little more capable of the bounce.

741
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Speaker 8: He's a better shooter than Furfey, but he can't like

742
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 8: it's harder for him to be that far down the

743
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 8: pecking order and still have an offensive impact, if that

744
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 8: makes sense. But to Furfey's been really good recently. He's

745
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 8: just had his one of his better games as a

746
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 8: pro with the eleven boards against the Cavs and like

747
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 8: had an awesome defensive rep on Darius.

748
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 7: Garland and made some made a three.

749
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Speaker 8: I think it's four for five from the field in

750
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 8: that game, and like five shots in thirty minutes is

751
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 8: why he'd be the fifth starter. Like, he doesn't require

752
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 8: the ball or that much offensive interaction to be impactful.

753
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 8: So I think that's sort of why the minutes are

754
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 8: breaking out the way they are. But I think it's

755
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Speaker 8: reasonable to it to say what you just said, Yes,

756
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 8: Like it could be one of them cracking that's mine.

757
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 8: O obviously could draft somebody top three and that would

758
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Speaker 8: be the person who then obviously gets a rotation spot.

759
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 8: But it's it's totally reasonable to say is it one

760
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 8: or the other? Now it could be both on the

761
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 8: team and neither are playing, but they're auditioning for something,

762
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 8: certainly in a team that's kind of not in flux

763
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 8: but still figuring out who is going to do well

764
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Speaker 8: at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Pacers and Hornets tonight game tips. What time does the

766
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Speaker 3: pregame coverage begin, Eddie? When you've got to come back

767
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 3: in with your little bag of chips?

768
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Speaker 4: Six thirty. There's a board right in front of you, Jack,

769
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 4: that's got all that there for you.

770
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Speaker 3: I understand it says Pacers at Hornets Thursday.

771
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Speaker 4: It doesn't put six thirty on there.

772
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Speaker 3: I don't see versus Heat Saturday at seven pm that one.

773
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Speaker 2: It says pregames.

774
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Speaker 4: I'm must have forgotten that. I'll take my I'll take

775
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Speaker 4: my snike comment back.

776
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Speaker 2: Then, Tony, anything you want to add with that?

777
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Speaker 7: Uh yeah, Jake, come on, read the number that's not there.

778
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. All right, Tony, appreciate it.

779
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Speaker 8: Man care guys, enjoy the Ballard pressure today. I've seen

780
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 8: some fun stuff.

781
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's listen. Did you ever before we let

782
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 3: you go, Tony, did you ever hear a kid's song

783
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: when you were younger? I'm Henry the Eighth, I am

784
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 3: Henery the eight Diam. I am you ever heard that song?

785
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 9: No?

786
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: I haven't.

787
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, when it comes they do, they do?

788
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 10: You know?

789
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: It's like a kind of a kid song, sing a

790
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: long song, then it comes back to the music plays and

791
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: then he says second verse same as the first. And

792
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 3: that's kind of the story of the Chris Ballad press conference,

793
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: just so you know, for the first I do what

794
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: I can. All right, talk to you soon, Tony.

795
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Speaker 7: Thanks guys.

796
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: Tony East joining us on the program, Anthony Thompson Indiana

797
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 3: Great coming up in just about thirteen minutes. I can

798
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: recall and we'll play you more from Chris Ballard coming

799
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 3: up over the course of the show if you're just

800
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: joining us. He had his press conference, he's been about

801
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Speaker 3: eleven o'clock this morning and basically said, you know, look

802
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: we I did. There were some nuggets that we need

803
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: to get to. Also where he talked about defensively in particular,

804
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 3: he thinks they need to get younger and faster. I mean,

805
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 3: there were some players that, you know, Jermaine Pratt, I

806
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: think yesterday sent out a post kind of indicating that

807
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: this is probably it for him. But you know, Zira Franklin,

808
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 3: does that not bode well for him? When he said

809
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: that they still need to get pass rush and I'm thinking, yeah,

810
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: but we've kind of gone over that and put literally

811
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:36,959
Speaker 3: every single I mean, it would be impossible for any

812
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: general manager to know every single aspect of a team.

813
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: I think, you know, some were great at putting together

814
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 3: quarterback combos or offensive things, or you know, there's always

815
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: going to be an area that is that you just

816
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: swing and miss. And for Chris Ballard, it's pass rush.

817
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 3: Literally he has tried every which way but Tuesday to

818
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 3: get a consistent pass rush bush and continues to fall

819
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 3: short in that regard, you know what I mean. So

820
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 3: that was something that you know, he was at least

821
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: candid about that, I guess, but it definitely just felt

822
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 3: kind of like, yeah, I think we've heard most of

823
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 3: this by now. I do think that we've heard most

824
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 3: of this by now, but we'll play it for you

825
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 3: and continue to go over it. Several people have asked

826
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: me this, and I know that they ask it flippantly,

827
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: but it is unfortunate that the tenure has gone or

828
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: the extensions have gone long enough, or to the point

829
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 3: where people basically now are saying, like, what is it

830
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 3: that you know? You always hear that joke, right, who's

831
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: he have pictures of? What is it that he has

832
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: against the family? What sort of blackmail? It's that is

833
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: all obviously and unfair and probably even irresponsible conjecture to

834
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: take legitimately, except for that it speaks to the underperformance

835
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: they have had. That then makes what normally is a

836
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: flippant comment one that people actually begin to look at

837
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 3: with a raised eyebrow, not saying me or you, but

838
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: the fans in general.

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Speaker 4: Right, And I also, Jake, to add another element to

840
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 4: this is what we saw today in the National Football

841
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 4: League of Mike McDaniel getting fired down in Miami, is

842
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 4: that it's almost impossible, especially in today's NFL, to retain

843
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 4: a head coach but fire their GM. So like, if

844
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 4: you're gonna fire one, you gotta fire with both. Where

845
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 4: things around right now across the league and it felt

846
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 4: like that there are people in you, especially Jake. You

847
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 4: weren't ready to give up on Shane Stiching yet, So

848
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 4: if you're not ready to give up on Shane, then

849
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 4: you probably can't give up on Chris either, even though

850
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 4: you should have already.

851
00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 3: This from Richie. Richie says, it's not conflicting ideals and

852
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: explanation isn't always an excuse. Ask yourself if you can

853
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: see through your disdain to allow this guy to not

854
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: be overcritical and overanalyze every damn thing.

855
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: He says.

856
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: If you can, then maybe you're good at the job

857
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 3: you have. Jake, I've never said I have a disdain

858
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 3: for Chris Ballard.

859
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: At all.

860
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, fifty percent of people in this town

861
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 3: say I'm too soft on him. Fifty say I'm too

862
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: hard on him. All I'm saying is it after a while.

863
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 3: In professional sports, unlike any other walk of life, if

864
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 3: you are saying at each season the same thing cost

865
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: you that it did before, then eventually people are going

866
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: to question about it. Now when he says injuries are

867
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: not an excuse, and then later says once Daniel got

868
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: hurt and people are saying to me, yeah, man, his

869
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 3: quarterback got hurt. You don't think that's legitimate.

870
00:45:59,400 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 7: I do.

871
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 2: I do.

872
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is I'm not the one that

873
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: said it's about more than one position. I'm not the

874
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: one that said that. I'm simply holding to the standard

875
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: of what the franchise told me, which was you build

876
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 3: a roster that is not reliant on one position. And

877
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 3: if that's the case, then when that one position gets hurt,

878
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: you can't come back to me and tell me that

879
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 3: that's what derailed your season. It's about more than one player.

880
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: I'm listen. I'm just the messenger here, don't shoot the messenger.

881
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 3: Anthony Thompson, Indiana Great IU two wins from a title.

882
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 2: Will discuss next.

883
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 3: I know that Mike Dumas had a long standing career

884
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 3: in the NFL. I know that Pete Stayakovic or Pete

885
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: Stehanovitch I should say, I don't know why I said

886
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 3: Stakovic Pete Steyanovich. I know that Petch Steyanovich had a

887
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 3: long standing career as a kicker in the National Football League,

888
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: notably with MYAMI Dolphins. I know that you have players

889
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: that broke racial barriers in the Big Ten for Indiana University.

890
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 3: And I know that Fernanda Mendoza just won the Heisman Trophy.

891
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 3: But I think I'm safe in saying that our next

892
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: guest is widely considered the greatest player in the history

893
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: of Indiana University football. For that matter, he had his

894
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: number retired. He is the only at the time to

895
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: have had that. He is a member of the College

896
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 3: Football Hall of Fame. His fivey two hundred and ninety

897
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 3: nine yards rushing when he left Indiana led him to

898
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: become the runner up in the Heisman Trophy in nineteen

899
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 3: eighty nine to Andre Ware. I still think at some

900
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: point I should go to Andre Ware knock on the

901
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: door and says, Anthony Thompson's Heisman here and his sixty

902
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: five yard or sixty five yard sixty five excuse me

903
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 3: career touchdowns the most for any player in college football.

904
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 3: Upon his leaving when he got drafted by the Phoenix Cardinals,

905
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: Anthony Thompson joins me on the program now on the

906
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: Java House.

907
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 2: Peel and poor guest, Anthony, how are you.

908
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 10: I'm doing well, brother, Hey, thanks for having me, and

909
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 10: thanks for that wonderfully introduction.

910
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 6: I appreciate you.

911
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: Well. You're aware of all those stats obviously, right, yeah,

912
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: I am.

913
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 10: Yeah, you've heard them a few times, right, Oh, no,

914
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 10: no doubt, no doubt about that.

915
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 3: Let's begin with this, and I do want to talk

916
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 3: about kind of some of the foundation you were a

917
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 3: part of and the great coaches that you had as well.

918
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: And you know, you worked for the university upon your

919
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 3: playing career coming to a close. But I'm going to

920
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 3: allow you to kind of speak for your teammates, your era,

921
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: you know, nineteen eighty six to nineteen eighty nine. What

922
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: does this mean for you? To see Indiana where they

923
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:39,919
Speaker 3: are now?

924
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 10: It is unbelievable and unimaginable that we could be at

925
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 10: this state right now and doing what we're doing. Coach

926
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 10: sig and he's called him to Pod Piperman, and he's

927
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 10: got these kids hitting on all cylinders. What it means

928
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 10: for old he is like myself, is that, you know,

929
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 10: we build a foundation on the coach Marrowlry and we

930
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 10: were a bunt of rag tag tough, tough guys. And

931
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 10: he's still in us to be tough and we're gonna play.

932
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 10: You may beat us, but you're gonna come up wounded.

933
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 10: And so that was our philosophy. And he you know,

934
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 10: he really instilled, you know, just to discipline in us

935
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 10: to play hard, be hard, and not you know, not

936
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 10: give up on anything. And I see these kids doing

937
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 10: the same thing, and it's just unbelievable what's going on.

938
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 3: You know, I look back on Anthony when you I

939
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: was just telling somebody, it was always so much fun

940
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: when Indiana was you know, when you guys first kind

941
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: of started getting it rolling a little bit, and ABC

942
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 3: would always pick an early October game to do from

943
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 3: Bloomington because they liked the areos of the Brown County

944
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: leaves and all of that. And then you've got this

945
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 3: running back that's beating Ohio State at Memorial Stadium or

946
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: Beatio Michigan or whatever it might be, right, and then

947
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 3: the darkest day in history in Columbus with Earl Bruce.

948
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: And so now all of a sudden, Indiana's on the

949
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 3: map and you're going from the All American Bull into

950
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 3: the Peach Bowl, into the Liberty Bowl. You're going into

951
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 3: bigger bowl games as you go along. And then obviously

952
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: things went south again with Indiana football and it got

953
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 3: back into that era of mediocrity and obscurity. Was that

954
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 3: disappointing and disheartening for you?

955
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, it really was.

956
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 10: Because coach Mallory always said to the athlete directors, we

957
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 10: got to keep up. We cannot go backwards. We have

958
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 10: to keep up with our facilities, with our recruiting, uh,

959
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 10: you know, with the monies that are provided for football,

960
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 10: we have to keep up with. And I think sometimes

961
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 10: I think sometimes there was a law in that, and

962
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 10: but coach Maliby always mentioned that, and so I think

963
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 10: one of the turning points that we really had was

964
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 10: with with Terry Heppner. I think he was on the

965
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 10: he was on the way of doing some great things,

966
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 10: and then that tragic death, you know, the battle with

967
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 10: cancer that he lost. That that was a tough and

968
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 10: I think that, you know, the program went down from

969
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 10: there a little bit. But again I said, you know,

970
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 10: what Sega's doing is just totally just unbelievable. I mean,

971
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 10: you know what I really wish, I wish, I really

972
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,959
Speaker 10: wish that coach Mallory was here to see what's going

973
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 10: on right now.

974
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 3: And Hepner both right, because those are the two men,

975
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: you know, And tell me, Anthony if I'm overstating this, Okay,

976
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 3: Bill Mallory had this leadership of men I want to

977
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 3: play for, this fatherlike figure characteristic about him that made

978
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 3: guys get the most out of themselves. Terry Hepner had

979
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 3: a vision of boundaries that needed to be broken through

980
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: that Indiana could do so long as they believed. And

981
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 3: Kurt Signetty kind of seems to have taken a little

982
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 3: of both of those guys, and it's like there's a

983
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 3: little of both, maybe more hep in terms of the

984
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 3: vision wrapped in but it seems fitting that kind of

985
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 3: the A and the B have finally come together. Here,

986
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 3: Am I overstating that?

987
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 6: You're spot on? I mean you are spot on.

988
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 10: We would run through a wall for uh, you know,

989
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 10: Coach Mallory when he said when he said jump, we

990
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 10: said how high? Because we believed in him. He believed

991
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 10: in us, and we could. You know, we we knew

992
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 10: that he cared about us first as men, as young men,

993
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 10: and he wanted to develop young men before football players.

994
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 10: And so that's what that's what he did with all

995
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 10: of us. And so we're called the Mallory Man and

996
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 10: anytime you hear that that term, it just takes pride.

997
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 10: We take pride in that, and it's just so awesome.

998
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 10: And when you look at Terry Heppner, he was a visionary.

999
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 10: I mean he was. He was like the first pig piper.

1000
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 10: I mean he could. That dude should have been a politician, Okay,

1001
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 10: I mean he was. He was unbelievable. And uh and

1002
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 10: I think sig right, I think you're right. He's got

1003
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 10: a little bit of both of them, that you know,

1004
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 10: but more I think more Terry Heppner than anything. But

1005
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 10: I just I'm just flabbergast of what he's been able

1006
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 10: to do.

1007
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 3: You after your playing career, Anthony Thompson's my guest of

1008
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 3: a house peel and port guest line. After your playing career,

1009
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: you served as a senior Associate athletic director for development

1010
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 3: for Indiana University. You have recently retired from that position.

1011
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 3: You retired how long ago from that? Two years ago? Okay,

1012
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: so you were So did you get a chance to

1013
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 3: see because I'm kind of curious with Kurt Signetti coming in,

1014
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 3: It is my understanding, Anthony, and you tell me if

1015
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 3: this is off base. But Kurt Signetti basically came in,

1016
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 3: looked around and said this place needs a complete culture overhaul,

1017
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: just in terms of this is a facility filled with

1018
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 3: people that just assume it can't be done. And I've

1019
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 3: got to pump some juice into that and maybe even

1020
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 3: be the one to put my neck out there. And

1021
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: there just was this instant infusion. How did you see

1022
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 3: it from your perspective?

1023
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 10: I saw it as this guy is an as he's

1024
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 10: an assassin. That's first, you know, when he get his

1025
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 10: first press conference when he said google me, I said, oh, oh,

1026
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 10: this guy's different here right now, this guy's different and

1027
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 10: he he and he knew that he needed to change

1028
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 10: the culture. He knew that he needed to change the

1029
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 10: way that uh, the university thought about Indiana football. He

1030
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 10: knew that he had to change state in the nation

1031
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 10: of how they thought about Indiana football. That's one of

1032
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 10: the first things that he did. And he took on

1033
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 10: that as a warrior and as a sap. That guy

1034
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 10: has ice in his veins. Man, when I hear his interviews,

1035
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 10: it's just like, oh, I would have loved I would

1036
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 10: have loved to play for him, because he's just so confident.

1037
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 10: He's just so he's not a cockier arrogant. He's confident

1038
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 10: what he knows, what he can do and how it

1039
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 10: can He's a leader of young men. And so that

1040
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 10: was the most thing that that's that really excited me about,

1041
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 10: you know, one of his first in the first time

1042
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 10: I've ever heard him. And so, no, he had to

1043
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 10: he had to change the culture, he had to change

1044
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 10: the mindsets because I guess, you know, we were they're

1045
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 10: losing this university in the country, and so you better

1046
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 10: come in your guns loaded.

1047
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: And he did.

1048
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 3: And then in terms the on field, Anthony, you know,

1049
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 3: the game, you played it. Anthony Thompson, My guest, what

1050
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 3: about this team has most jumped out at you? And

1051
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 3: what is the area that might give you concern going

1052
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 3: into this rematch with Oregon.

1053
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 10: You know, the first thing I will tell you this

1054
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 10: that the quarterback, Uh Fernandos, He's he's unbelievable. You talk

1055
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 10: about a leader, talking about a humble individual. You talking

1056
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 10: about a guy that his teammates love to play for.

1057
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 10: I mean he is. He is unbelieved, a very articulate,

1058
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 10: very just a just a good person. He's more of

1059
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 10: a better person off the field than on the field.

1060
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 10: And so I would lead with that because if you've

1061
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 10: got a leader like that, people will play you know,

1062
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 10: you'll play harder for that individual. I call him he's

1063
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 10: almost like a junior Tom Brady. Now I'm gonna lose

1064
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 10: those terms, lose, but he's all. He reminds me of

1065
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 10: that because he'll get this. He'll get a team. When

1066
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 10: a play is called, he'll get his team in the

1067
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 10: right play. He have to change the play, He'll get

1068
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 10: him in the right play. That's what I love about him.

1069
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 10: He you know, has nice in his veins. And so

1070
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 10: so I think you start with that and I think

1071
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 10: when you go into this game against Oregon, you know

1072
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 10: you got to throw that first game out. That means

1073
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 10: he's a different team. Oregon is a different team, you know.

1074
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 10: But the thing about us, we're hitting on all cylinders.

1075
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 10: So it's gonna be like coach Mallley would say, it'll

1076
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 10: be old fashioned Donnie Brook and I think sieg will

1077
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 10: have our you know, teams prepared, and we don't make

1078
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 10: very many mistakes, so we need to knock on wood

1079
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 10: and keep you know, doing not doing that. So I'm

1080
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 10: excited about this matchup. It's gonna be a great matchup

1081
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 10: in a great game.

1082
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 3: I've been bitter, bitter, Anthony, Anthony Thompson, my guest, I've

1083
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 3: been bitter for thirty It helped this year to finally

1084
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 3: exercise the demons of bitterness within me. But when you

1085
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 3: had three hundred and seventy seven yards against Wisconsin, I

1086
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 3: said to myself, the Heisman trophies coming to Bloomington. I mean,

1087
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: it just is. And then there's the Sports Illustrated cover

1088
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 3: that said five for the Heisman, and I'm going to

1089
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 3: go off the top of my head, I believe it

1090
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 3: was EMMITTT.

1091
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 2: Smith was one of those five was he not.

1092
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 6: Miss Smith?

1093
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 3: Okay, Emmitt Smith, Anthony Thompson obviously Andre Ware who ended

1094
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 3: up Major Harris of West Virginia, right, Yes, Who was

1095
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 3: the fifth one?

1096
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: Do you remember? I don't recall was Tony Rice? Wasn't

1097
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 2: still notre name?

1098
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 6: Was he? Memory?

1099
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: So those five?

1100
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: So, and then as the race is coming down to it,

1101
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 3: and I'm working at o'malia's food market over by Cathedral

1102
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 3: High School, and I'm working in the produce section that day,

1103
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 3: and I'm listening to the radio and the bucket games on,

1104
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 3: and Indiana's about to lose the bucket, and I'm thinking,

1105
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 3: if they lose the bucket, they don't go to a

1106
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 3: bowl game, and if they don't go to a ball game,

1107
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 3: they don't get a Heisman. And Bill Mallory puts Anthony

1108
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 3: Thompson in for the kick return to try to put.

1109
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 2: Indiana in position.

1110
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 3: And in my mind and each time I rethink this, Anthony,

1111
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 3: I give you five more yards. In my mind, you

1112
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 3: returned it ninety two yards down to the eight yard line.

1113
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 3: Now I don't know that it was that, but it

1114
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 3: was a hell of a return. Now give me take

1115
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: me through the thought process of how you ended up

1116
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 3: and maybe I'm wrong, maybe you were a return man

1117
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 3: earlier in your time in Indiana, but that felt like

1118
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 3: a hail Mary on ground to take me through it.

1119
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I didn't. You know.

1120
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 10: The game was winding down and Coach mounts, hey, I

1121
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 10: want Anthony, you know, to return to the ball, and

1122
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 10: I'm like, I haven't done that all year, you know,

1123
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 10: and I don't know if I can catch the ball

1124
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 10: a point and so but I was just so excited

1125
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 10: about the bucket game, playing the bucket and sad, okay,

1126
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 10: we got to do something to here. And so the

1127
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 10: ball picked directly to me, which I was surprised. I

1128
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 10: thought they would kick it away and I'd run down

1129
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 10: the sideline and just all of a sudden, I was

1130
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 10: down the right sideline and ran out a room. And

1131
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 10: if I was a little bit faster, I think I

1132
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 10: would have touched down. But we got pretty close to it,

1133
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 10: and so it was exciting. That was an exciting time.

1134
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 6: It's like, you know, it's like.

1135
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 10: You want the ball, you want the game in your hands.

1136
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 10: If you're a baller, you want game in your hands. Okay,

1137
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 10: And so I felt really good about that.

1138
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 3: You stepped out of bounds. Where do you remember how

1139
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: close you got? Because in my mind eight yard.

1140
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 10: Line, I want to say probably fifteen yard line, maybe

1141
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 10: ten or fifteen yard line, something somewhere like that.

1142
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 3: I'll stick with eight eight yard line your eight yar time, now,

1143
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 3: I will tell you that. And then unfortunately Scott ban

1144
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 3: Now missed the field goal and out of Castle High

1145
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 3: School and you guys didn't get to go to the Bowl.

1146
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: But I do think still that. Now do you have

1147
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 2: a relationship with Andre Ware?

1148
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 6: Oh? Absolutely. I'll tell you a quick funny story about Andre. Andre.

1149
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 10: I was when I was administrator at I. You, we

1150
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 10: were playing in Illinois and they came to our stadium

1151
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 10: and Andrea where was the broadcaster?

1152
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 6: Okay?

1153
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 10: And they wanted me to do a broadcast. They wanted

1154
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 10: me to come up and talk with them at halftime,

1155
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 10: you know, talk about the game and things like that.

1156
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 10: So we're on national television. Mind okay, So I'm Andre

1157
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 10: and I forget the other guy's name. And so the

1158
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 10: first thing I said on national tell I said, Andre,

1159
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 10: where's my heisman trophy?

1160
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 6: At Oh?

1161
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 10: He busted out laughing, got totally off guard and everybody

1162
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 10: just started busting out laugh So Andre is a great guy.

1163
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 10: We're really good friends and so he you know again,

1164
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 10: he just really back then was a really enjoyable time.

1165
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 10: I never thought of it, never even dreamed about being

1166
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 10: able to run for the highest and trophies.

1167
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 3: You should at least get the trophy every other weekend,

1168
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 3: right in all honest, everyone knows it. Everyone knows it, right,

1169
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, let's be real here. Okay, here's

1170
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 3: the other thing I was going to tell you, And

1171
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 3: I'm curious if you're a thought on this. So my

1172
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: freshman year of college, I go to the University of Kansas. Okay,

1173
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 3: and I'm at the University of Kansas. I ended up

1174
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 3: transferring back to AYU. But I'm at University of Kansas

1175
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 3: and on the dorm floor, we have a Techmobil league. Okay,

1176
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 3: everybody gets to be a team in Technobil. I got

1177
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 3: like second pick, and I'm like, I'm going to be

1178
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 3: the Phoenix Cardinals, specifically because I wanted Anthony Thompson on

1179
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 3: my Techmobil. I'm fanboying here and telling you this, so

1180
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 3: I will tell you this. They didn't give you Bo

1181
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 3: Jackson speed on Techmobile. But every time that I got

1182
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 3: the ball down to the one yard line. I would

1183
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 3: hand it to you at first and goal, and then

1184
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 3: second and goal, and third and goal, and usually it

1185
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 3: was for goal, and eventually the game would let you score. Now,

1186
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 3: you led the University of Kansas Techno Bowl League at

1187
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 3: the JRP Dorm floor too, with seventy one touchdowns in

1188
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 3: that season. Okay, but they didn't exactly give you burning

1189
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 3: wheels to do it. Did you ever take up any

1190
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 3: issue with Techno bull at the way that they had

1191
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 3: Anthony Thompson profiled, No, not at all.

1192
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 10: Anybody would love to have Bo Jackson's speed by the

1193
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 10: way that was he was. That was ungodly speed that

1194
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 10: he had, And so no, I had no problem. Was

1195
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 10: I was just kind of a power runner, hard nos runner.

1196
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 10: I myself after the late great Walter Payton, his running style,

1197
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 10: just physicality. I wasn't a burner. I was not a burner.

1198
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 10: I wouldn't didn't have great speed, but I was a

1199
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 10: decent you know, and the things that I perfected and

1200
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 10: you know at my running back craft.

1201
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: Okay, lastly, before we let you go, two things.

1202
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 3: Number One, I want to give you the chance here

1203
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 3: to let our listeners know what being an Indiana football player,

1204
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 3: and notably, what being a player that was playing for

1205
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 3: Bill Mallory meant for you then and what it means

1206
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 3: for you now.

1207
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 10: Playing for Bill. Bill Mallory, I'll start with that again.

1208
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 10: He was a leader of men, He taught Madison. I

1209
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 10: was gonna name my first daughter after him Mallory, but

1210
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 10: my wife shut that down and said no.

1211
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 6: We talked.

1212
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 10: We talked about naming her Sierra to the Oops, and

1213
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 10: so I wanted to name That's how that And I

1214
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,919
Speaker 10: bet you there's probably teen to twenty guys that named

1215
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 10: their children.

1216
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 6: After Bill Mallory.

1217
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 10: That's that's how much she met to us as a

1218
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 10: father and as a leader, as a and as a coach.

1219
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 10: And the way I feel now, I'm so proud of

1220
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 10: what these guys are doing. I'm so proud of the

1221
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 10: Hoosier Nation. And this is what this is what we're

1222
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 10: being looking for for eons.

1223
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 6: I mean this, I mean.

1224
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 10: This is since nineteen fifty forty five or something, when

1225
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 10: Joe Taler, when the Taller Fair was George hali Fare

1226
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 10: was playing, and so we were this is what we've

1227
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 10: been looking for, when they're hoping for is now happened.

1228
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 10: You got a picture that we're pitching. It's like we're

1229
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 10: living to dream this, we're living the dream man. This

1230
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 10: is serious and so it's very exciting.

1231
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 3: The well, first off, you're playing for the game will

1232
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 3: be what are you going down? I assume going down

1233
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:14,959
Speaker 3: to the Peach School.

1234
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely absolutely.

1235
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, you gotta be front and center

1236
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 3: for all of it, right, oh, miss it, and then

1237
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 3: you will be heading to Miami after that, right to

1238
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 3: see them hoist trophy.

1239
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 10: He no doubt about that. I'll be on the field

1240
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 10: that game. Can you if they promise you that.

1241
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 3: If they did it this way where they honored you,

1242
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 3: could you do another one of those like three yard

1243
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 3: leaps into the end zone?

1244
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: Is that still possible?

1245
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 10: You get me by the into away, I might be.

1246
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 10: I might be able to jump over a penny.

1247
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1248
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 3: But listen, if there's a national championship trophy with Indiana's

1249
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 3: name inscribed on on the other side, I'll bet you'll

1250
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 3: find a way, right.

1251
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 6: Oh, I'll find Oh, you better believe it. I'll find

1252
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 6: a way.

1253
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 10: I'll conjure up Bill Mallory and I'll find the way.

1254
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 6: Trust and believe that.

1255
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 3: Well, my understanding is your nickname in high school was amp,

1256
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 3: but now, of course at is what most people know.

1257
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 3: Anthony Thompson, the Indiana football player number thirty two will

1258
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 3: never be worn again for the Cream and Crimson. Anthony,

1259
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 3: it is a great pleasure to have you on. Certainly

1260
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 3: enjoy the success. I enjoyed watching you as a player

1261
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 3: and hope you soak in everything that comes with it.

1262
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 3: And should they win, we would love to have you

1263
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 3: back on the program.

1264
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 10: Oh absolutely, thank you so much. I really enjoyed yourself.

1265
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 10: Thank you so much, appreciate it.

1266
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 3: Anthony Thompson joining me on the Java House, Peel and

1267
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 3: poor guest line. One of the legendary players down in Bloomington,

1268
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 3: and again his number thirty two. I believe I'm correct

1269
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 3: in saying later in Janevsen and the Crossover, I can

1270
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 3: ask for clarification, but I believe his number thirty two

1271
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 3: has been retired sport wide in Indiana. I don't think

1272
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 3: any athlete can wear thirty two in Bloomington, regardless of sport.

1273
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 3: I could be wrong in that, but certainly he was

1274
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 3: the first football player to have his number retired at IU.

1275
01:04:54,840 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 3: And you know it is when it comes to Indiana football,

1276
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 3: there's not much I can say about it that hasn't

1277
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 3: already been spelled out. There's not much you can say

1278
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 3: about it that hasn't already been broken down and deciphered

1279
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 3: and talked about, because there's just not much before that

1280
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 3: to even discuss. And the one thing and the one

1281
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 3: storyline I guess that I keep going back to is

1282
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 3: that when NIL and the Transfer Portal became reality, the

1283
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 3: overwhelming and overriding narrative from everyone nationally speaking was that

1284
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 3: this was the nail in the coffin to everyone.

1285
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: But the elite.

1286
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 3: This was the Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama, Florida State, Oklahoma, Texas, Clemson.

1287
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 3: This was going to just make the rich the elite,

1288
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 3: and everyone else was going to be picking up table scraps.

1289
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 3: And I don't know whether or not other programs can

1290
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 3: get their turn at the wheel, but Indiana laid the

1291
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 3: blueprint of it, and we just saw yesterday that Mark

1292
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 3: Cuban apparently just gave another sizable donation. I would think

1293
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 3: that the Cook Corporation is also a major player in that.

1294
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 3: But Indiana University has the largest living alumni base in

1295
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 3: the United States. As I mentioned yesterday, part of that

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Speaker 3: is because that includes IU Indie, that includes IU Kokomo,

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Speaker 3: that includes IU Richmond.

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Speaker 4: You know, for that matter, does that include one of

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Speaker 4: Signetti's first coaching jobs, IU Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: It does not include Indiana Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 3: Excellent question, though, excellent question, and probably one that some

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01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 3: would why not at this point, though right, Signetti was

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01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 3: there right the Just as an example, when I went

1304
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 3: to college, I went to the University of Kansas and

1305
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 3: it was a total disaster. I was homesick the first

1306
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 3: time you went to college right correct, okay, right out

1307
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 3: of high school, and it was a I was not

1308
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 3: mature enough and ready to be that far from home,

1309
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,439
Speaker 3: and I came back kind of tail between the legs.

1310
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Speaker 2: I was terribly homesick. So I can't.

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01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I my parents said to me, and I

1312
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 3: give them credit, they said, look, you've got to go

1313
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 3: back and finish, because if you're going to start something,

1314
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 3: you made it. You made a commitment that you were

1315
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 3: going to go for a year. So they made me

1316
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 3: go back second semester and I did. And then I

1317
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 3: came home and I knew I wanted to go to IU,

1318
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 3: but I didn't have the grades to go to IU.

1319
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 3: So I enrolled I took the first semester off of

1320
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 3: what would have typically been my sophomore year, kind of

1321
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 3: got things in order for myself, and then went for

1322
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 3: a semester to Iu Pui as it was then known

1323
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 3: Iu Indian. Now I got in good academic standing. I

1324
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 3: had a good semester. I've always been grateful for the

1325
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 3: opportunity I got there, and I always appreciated that in

1326
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 3: that class there were a lot of people that were

1327
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 3: going back to school that were adults, and I needed

1328
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 3: that because I needed that structure and kind of the

1329
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 3: blueprint or the guidance of people older than I. And

1330
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 3: then I transferred to Bloomington. I was nineteen hours from

1331
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 3: graduating from Bloomington when I decided to go into the

1332
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Speaker 3: workforce essentially and did not go back.

1333
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Speaker 2: And it was not until three years ago.

1334
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 3: That I decided that yes, I would go back and

1335
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 3: finish and I did it online and my online portal

1336
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 3: was through the Kokomo branch. So of the one hundred

1337
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 3: and forty hours that I ended up with, because I

1338
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 3: had to take some duplicates or whatever else, of the

1339
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty I think credit hours, that I had.

1340
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Speaker 2: Something like.

1341
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 3: Forty of them were divided between Coocomo and IU Indy.

1342
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 3: A hundred of them were accumulated on campus at Indiana University, Bloomington.

1343
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 3: My diploma says Indiana University. It doesn't differentiate between which ones.

1344
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 3: It just says Indiana University. So that's how you get

1345
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 3: that number, because I'm assuming that Texas you have UTSA,

1346
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 3: and you know the different branches of Texas, probably they

1347
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 3: only count Austin and.

1348
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 2: That alumni group.

1349
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 3: But when you have that large a number, and you

1350
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 3: have people that graduated from IU Kokomo or AU Northeast

1351
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 3: that are IU fans, they're also going to be giving in.

1352
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 3: So the financial hopper for Indiana University is substantial, and

1353
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 3: it goes without saying that it certainly helps to have

1354
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:44,839
Speaker 3: alumni like Mark Cuban that are owners of sports previously speaking,

1355
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 3: that have billions of dollars, and the Cook Corporation, which

1356
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 3: has always had a close relationship with Indiana. Back in

1357
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 3: the day, in the media guides for Indiana University, at

1358
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 3: the back of it, when Bob Knight was the coach,

1359
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 3: at the back, it would list what every former night

1360
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 3: player was now doing. And I remember as a kid

1361
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 3: thinking like man, a lot of guys worked for this

1362
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 3: Cook Corporation, and I think Yellow Freight was the other one,

1363
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 3: which might have been an auxiliary of Cook. And that's

1364
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 3: because you went to IU, you played for Bob Knight,

1365
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 3: and if you didn't go back to your hometown or

1366
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 3: played professional basketball somewhere, if you needed you got hooked

1367
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 3: up with a job from the Cook Corporation, which was

1368
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 3: a friend of Knights. And I think that still exists

1369
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 3: within Indiana. It's just a different landscape now in terms

1370
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 3: of amount, how directly and everything that can go into it.

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Speaker 3: Back in those days, if you played basketball Indiana, your

1372
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 3: one perky, you got free haircuts Acrosstown barbershop. My apologies

1373
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 3: if I just admitted an NCAA violation forty years.

1374
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 4: After the fact, and if they scored one hundred did

1375
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 4: you get was it a free burger at McDonald or.

1376
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 3: As that was Especially in the seventy five season, people

1377
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 3: used to love that McDonald's. On the extension of from

1378
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 3: going back on to thirty seven, there's McDonald's right there.

1379
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Speaker 3: I think there was one time where or if they

1380
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 3: won by fifty, it might have been they had different

1381
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 3: different events, different ways that they would do it. You know,

1382
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 3: there was a time where the simplicity of Assembly Hall

1383
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,719
Speaker 3: is what people loved about it, because you just had

1384
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 3: the banner that would say CBS Sports or WTTV.

1385
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 2: And that was it.

1386
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: The funny thing is, like most things, a conversation that

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01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 3: begins by talking about Indiana football being two wins from

1389
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:26,440
Speaker 3: a national championship naturally segues itself into discussing the basketball

1390
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 3: program because that's what it's been for so long, and

1391
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 3: I am fascinated by the possibility that this is in

1392
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 3: fact a shift. I mean that Indiana played. Think about this.

1393
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 3: Indiana played last night.

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01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 6: They did.

1395
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Purdue played last night, and we haven't really gotten

1396
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 3: either because it's a football theme right now, right both

1397
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 3: one Indiana one resoundingly yep.

1398
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 2: And I thought Perdue got really good play.

1399
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 3: From where you least, maybe not at least, but where

1400
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 3: you didn't expect it at the guard play, especially Bridge,

1401
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 3: from the first half to the second. We will get

1402
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 3: back into that and Zach Osterman Ostroman joins us in

1403
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 3: a few You know, I think what we saw last

1404
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 3: night from Purdue, notably.

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01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 2: Is what we have known, and that is that.

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01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 3: You know, you could look at that game and say

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01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 3: Washington is not exactly somebody that jumps off the page

1408
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 3: at you, but great teams and elite teams on nights

1409
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 3: when maybe it just takes you a while to get going,

1410
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 3: find ways and they find different players to come in

1411
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 3: and play well for you. And you know, if you

1412
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 3: look at what Meyer was able to do for Purdue

1413
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 3: last night, especially towards the end of the first half,

1414
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 3: bridge into the second, and then you get at that

1415
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 3: point Braiden Smith going back again, and Braiden Smith last

1416
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 3: night was outstanding. I mean ten to fifteen from the floor,

1417
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 3: he was outstanding. And he is always good at distributing.

1418
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 3: And if there's a night where Oscar Cloff is usually

1419
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 3: your glass cleaner, and then he's got to step back

1420
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 3: a little bit in tray coop and Ren is the

1421
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 3: one that overtakes that rule. The ability for those guys

1422
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 3: to willingly, gladly, whatever you want to call it, just

1423
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 3: kind of step aside and let someone else take limelight

1424
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 3: to me is what makes Purdue so impressive. And the

1425
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,799
Speaker 3: eight point win last night over Washington, Indiana goes to Maryland.

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01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 3: This is not your grandpa's Maryland, admittedly, but still an

1427
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 3: impressive win for Indiana.

1428
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 2: Wilkerson shoots the ball.

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01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 3: Well, what do we say about Indiana when they shoot

1430
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 3: the ball, Well, they're going to be good. And if

1431
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 3: they have nights where the shot is not dropping in particular,

1432
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 3: I think their lack of interior depth hurts them a

1433
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 3: little bit. But that was not the case last night

1434
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 3: as Indiana beats Maryland. But speaking of Indiana, they are

1435
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 3: now in the college football Semi five. It is the

1436
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 3: Peach Bowl, technically we call it. It is the Oregon Ducks.

1437
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 3: They will face the Chick fil A Peach Bowl. Really,

1438
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 3: you can't play on Sunday then, right, that's right? Joining

1439
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 3: us now in the Java House peel and poor guest

1440
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 3: line Java House dot com where you can get their

1441
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 3: fabulous product. It is Zach from the Indianapolis Star who

1442
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 3: covers Iu.

1443
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 2: Zach, you are back home again? Correct?

1444
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:24,719
Speaker 1: Correct?

1445
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 2: Okay uh?

1446
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 3: And Indiana is also already down in Atlanta. That goes

1447
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 3: without saying. Let's begin with this. What exactly is the

1448
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 3: you know, the the schedule of events, if you will,

1449
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,759
Speaker 3: Is it different than the Rose Bowl? With each step

1450
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 3: here are there even more extenuating things that they need

1451
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 3: to do in obligations that players can get caught up

1452
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,759
Speaker 3: in or is it kind of business as usual?

1453
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1454
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 11: No, So the Rose Bowl did have a little bit

1455
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 11: more about it in particular, you know, more sort of.

1456
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 1: Like media day type events.

1457
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 11: You know, we got I think something in the range

1458
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:10,879
Speaker 11: like forty to fifty players from both Alabama and Indiana,

1459
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 11: plus all the assistants, all the coordinators, everybody like that

1460
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 11: in Pasadena. Here it's only a small handful of players,

1461
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 11: both coordinators.

1462
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: And then today we talked to the two head coaches.

1463
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 11: And then I believe I'm not positive about this, but

1464
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 11: I believe if Indiana were to advance, it would be

1465
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 11: a bit more of a media day type situation in

1466
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 11: Miami as well. But this being the tightest turn between

1467
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 11: between sort of the if you look at the different

1468
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 11: rounds between games, from the quarterfinal, in the semi final,

1469
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 11: in the final, it I think is probably always was

1470
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:47,560
Speaker 11: going to be the one that was most sort of abbreviated.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's get to also the I guess the real

1472
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 3: story of this game's act. Kurt Signetti and Dan Lanning

1473
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 3: both had said, look, teams changed much over the course

1474
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,560
Speaker 3: of the season, and I think it was Signetti was

1475
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 3: the one that said these aren't even the same two

1476
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 3: teams as what we saw in Eugene.

1477
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 2: Which one's more different?

1478
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 11: That's a good question, and what I'm I will freely

1479
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 11: admit I'm probably not qualified to answer, because I could

1480
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 11: give you a much more evolved one on Indiana than

1481
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 11: I could on Oregon, if that makes sense. I do

1482
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 11: think Oregon, probably in part because of that Indiana game, has.

1483
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: Cleaned some things up.

1484
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 11: When I've seen him, Dante More has looked better as

1485
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 11: this season has gone on. I think there's a reason why,

1486
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 11: you know, neither one of these quarterbacks.

1487
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: I think we're really quite yet.

1488
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 11: Maybe Mendoza was starting to enter the sort of number

1489
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 11: one pick, you know level conversation when these two teams

1490
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 11: played in October.

1491
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: More wasn't there yet.

1492
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 11: I think both of these quarterbacks have kind of grown

1493
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 11: into that sort of potential in the last you know,

1494
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 11: basically month to eight weeks.

1495
01:16:58,240 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: Probably.

1496
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 11: I think Indiana is certainly running the ball better. I

1497
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 11: think Indiana's linebacker group, probably starting with that Oregon game,

1498
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 11: was maybe the you know, it feels like that was

1499
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 11: the day we started to notice how much Indiana was

1500
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 11: running with three base linebackers, even against you know, three

1501
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 11: by one sets and three receiver sets that Indiana was

1502
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 11: not bothered staying. And it's for three base because it

1503
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 11: trusted the athletic level of all three of Aidan Fisher,

1504
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 11: Isaiah Jones, and Elijah Hardy. Obviously, Indiana's down some edge

1505
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 11: rushers that was so important in that game. Indiana sacked

1506
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 11: down team more six times. On the other hand, Oregon

1507
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 11: is very short handed at running back and in particular.

1508
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 11: You know, I don't know if we've got a great

1509
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,879
Speaker 11: formula for how you run the ball on Indiana in general,

1510
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 11: but Jordan Davison was Oregon's sort of power back.

1511
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 1: He was their leading rusher that day.

1512
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 11: He's their second leading rusher in the season, but he's

1513
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 11: got far and away the most rushing touchdowns on the team.

1514
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 11: He is out for the remainder of the at least

1515
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 11: he's out for this game. Reportedly, he's out for the

1516
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 11: remainder of the playoff no matter what happens to Oregon tomorrow.

1517
01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: So everybody's kind.

1518
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 11: Of dealing with maybe some they didn't have in that

1519
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 11: game in Eugene. And it's going to be fascinating to

1520
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 11: see what this looks like, because you know that question

1521
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 11: has been asked to basically everyone here in some way,

1522
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 11: how do you change something about how you approached that

1523
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 11: game in October so the other team's not ready for it.

1524
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 11: But I also think it's fascinating to kind of turn

1525
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 11: that conversation around. And I had this briefly with Brian Haynes.

1526
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 11: I talked about this briefly with Brian Hayes last night,

1527
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 11: Indiana's defensive coordinator. So much of the conversation about Indiana

1528
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 11: versus Oregon seems to be centered on the idea that

1529
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 11: it's a bad thing that these two teams have played,

1530
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 11: and that you're going to have to come up with

1531
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,839
Speaker 11: all new game plans and will you second guess yourself?

1532
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 11: Will there be paralysis by analysis? The flip side is

1533
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,839
Speaker 11: you almost never, especially in the portal era, get.

1534
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: Such a clean look at a team you've already played.

1535
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 11: Film wise, you know that you get to watch a

1536
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 11: team and you have all the reference points you need

1537
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 11: of knowing their scheme, knowing their personnel, knowing your scheme,

1538
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 11: knowing your person Now there's a lot less that maybe

1539
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 11: you have to question in your evaluation of your opponent

1540
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 11: going into this game. And I'll be fascinated to see

1541
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:13,520
Speaker 11: how that you know kind of plays in to the result.

1542
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,600
Speaker 3: Zach, as well as you can, I guess. And for

1543
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 3: those that don't know, when you cover a team, you

1544
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 3: know it is not our responsibility, and certainly some could

1545
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 3: say it's maybe not even the design. That you become

1546
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,799
Speaker 3: like close personal friends with the subject matters you're covering.

1547
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 3: It happens sometimes naturally because you're around each other, you

1548
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 3: have respect for one another. How well have you gotten

1549
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:40,879
Speaker 3: to know Kurt Signetti?

1550
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 11: I mean, you know, I would probably hesitate to overstate it.

1551
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 11: I think you know what I would say about kurtz

1552
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 11: Signet is I don't think he's ever been with anybody

1553
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 11: else in the media something different from what he is

1554
01:19:59,320 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 11: with us.

1555
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 1: That makes sense.

1556
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 11: I don't think Kurt Signetti in the two years two

1557
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 11: plus years now that he's been in Bloomington and all

1558
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 11: I've observed in him. And obviously, you know, in this job,

1559
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 11: you're obviously spending a lot of time around the people

1560
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 11: you cover.

1561
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,480
Speaker 1: As you said, you're also spending a lot of time reading.

1562
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:19,600
Speaker 11: Things written things, you know, listening to things said about

1563
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 11: the team you cover, because you're trying to keep up

1564
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 11: with the news and chase the news and compete for

1565
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 11: news and things like that. I don't think there's ever

1566
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 11: been a moment when I felt like Kurt Signetti was

1567
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 11: not with local media in you know, the Tuesday afternoons

1568
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 11: spring practice breakdowns, post practice breakdown. What he's been with

1569
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 11: national media at the college football playoffs semi final. I think,

1570
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 11: like I've said for a long time, with anybody who asks,

1571
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 11: and I don't know if I know him better than

1572
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 11: most people are not that's probably more for him to say,

1573
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 11: but he certainly is just he is who he is,

1574
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 11: and you never have to question whether or not you're

1575
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 11: getting kind of like Kurt Signette's honest opinion of you know,

1576
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 11: an answer to your question, or what he thinks of

1577
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 11: your question, or you know where you stand with him,

1578
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 11: And frankly like it is you know somebody who's been

1579
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 11: in this business obviously a long time. That's all I

1580
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 11: will really ever ask professionally of the people I cover.

1581
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 3: Zach Osterman is our guest from the Indianapolis Star. He

1582
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 3: covers Indiana football. Reason I ask it is because you

1583
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 3: know Signetti just seems I think we say this about people.

1584
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 3: Zach Shane Steichen when he got here, it was like,

1585
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 3: oh man, he's just all ball.

1586
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: He's just all ball. All you know, football, football, football,

1587
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 2: And that's.

1588
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 3: Fine, but you have to have the ability to also

1589
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 3: connect with and grow people and mesh personalities and mesh egos.

1590
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 3: What Signetti has done to me is so fascinating because

1591
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 3: he's been able to do all of that. Is that

1592
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 3: because it's by design that he so properly vets players

1593
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 3: before they even arrive, where that meshing has already almost

1594
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 3: been done in his mind before having to verbalize it

1595
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 3: to a player.

1596
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 11: Probably to a certain extent, I think there's also a

1597
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 11: and I've discussed this a lot in the build up

1598
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 11: to just the playoff and going through the Rose Bowl

1599
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,600
Speaker 11: and now the Peach Bowl when people have asked, I

1600
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 11: think this staff has a remarkable ability to do two

1601
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,759
Speaker 11: things that in all sort of walks of coaching life

1602
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 11: that sound very simple and really are very hard, which

1603
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:37,520
Speaker 11: are number one, to identify and understand where the intersection

1604
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 11: points are between your talent and your scheme. And number two,

1605
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 11: to be able to communicate and to teach what you

1606
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 11: need to get those players to those intersection points so

1607
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 11: that they perform at their best because you know it,

1608
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 11: and I don't know if you have liked Obviously, the

1609
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 11: coaching I have done is primarily like little five and

1610
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 11: stuff is nowhere near what would be expected of a

1611
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 11: college football coach. But what you learn really quickly in

1612
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 11: coaching is like you will know a lot more. You

1613
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 11: will understand a lot better what you are teaching then

1614
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 11: the athletes you're teaching it to, And that will always

1615
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 11: be the case because you've seen more, you've experienced more,

1616
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 11: you've thought about it more, You're just you're older, you're

1617
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:26,879
Speaker 11: more mature, whatever.

1618
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 1: But it's not about what you know.

1619
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 11: It's about what you can effectively teach and effectively communicate.

1620
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 11: And if you can't do those things, it doesn't matter

1621
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 11: what you know. All the bright ideas that you have

1622
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 11: in your head don't matter because when you ask someone

1623
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 11: to go out and execute those ideas in practice. And

1624
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 11: when I say in practicition being on the field, I

1625
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 11: don't mean like in the physical structure of practice, but

1626
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 11: theory versus practice. It will fall down if you haven't

1627
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 11: been able to effectively teach people how to do it.

1628
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 11: Brian Haynes said something recently about coaching. He said, it's

1629
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,679
Speaker 11: the greatest amount of impact with the least amount of words.

1630
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 11: And this staff's ability and it starts certainly with hurt

1631
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 11: Signetti and works its way down And I think this

1632
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 11: is one of the reasons why he's kept so much

1633
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 11: of his staff, he's been so intentional about keeping so

1634
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 11: much of his staff together, is that this staff's ability

1635
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 11: not just to identify that talent that you're talking about,

1636
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 11: the mentality necessary, you know, the both physical and mental

1637
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 11: and emotional characteristics required, but also to understand once you

1638
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 11: get a hold of that player, whatever position they play,

1639
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 11: whatever you're going to ask them to do, this is

1640
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 11: how you prepare them for that. This is how you

1641
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 11: teach them that, so that when they go out on

1642
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 11: the field, they do so with like supreme confidence that

1643
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 11: they are going to perform well because they have every

1644
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 11: faith that you're not asking them to do something they

1645
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 11: can't do. And that sounds again, it sounds incredibly simple,

1646
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 11: but especially in a world where there is such a

1647
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 11: large gap between like a nineteen year old sophomore and

1648
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 11: a twenty three year old red shirt senior.

1649
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 1: And I think we saw some of that gap frankly

1650
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: and the Rose Bowl.

1651
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 11: And forgive me, I know it's a long, long winded answer,

1652
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 11: But I think it's important to any conversation about the

1653
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 11: story of this Indiana team. The ability to do that

1654
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 11: is more than just scouting and film and looking at

1655
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,480
Speaker 11: testing numbers or you know, watching what a player.

1656
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: Was capable of at his previous school.

1657
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 11: It is also about understanding with having a really clear

1658
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 11: eyed vision for what to do and how to get

1659
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 11: the most out of that player once he gets into

1660
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 11: your program.

1661
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 1: And I think that's you know, it's.

1662
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 11: Illustrated nowhere better than quarterback, where you know, Signetti and

1663
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 11: Mike Shanahan have had four different starting quarterbacks in the

1664
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 11: last four years.

1665
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 1: All four of them have been all conference players.

1666
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 11: I think three of them were Conference Players of the

1667
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 11: Year and one won the Heisman Trophy.

1668
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 1: And they were all slightly different quarterbacks. They all had

1669
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: their own strengths.

1670
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:00,719
Speaker 11: But Indiana understood not just how to identify their talent

1671
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,759
Speaker 11: before they got to wherever they met Signetti and Shanahan

1672
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 11: and the project, but also what to do with them,

1673
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 11: how to build the offense around them, what to ask

1674
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 11: them to do and what not to ask them to do,

1675
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 11: what to what to compensate for in the way they

1676
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 11: change their scheme.

1677
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,679
Speaker 1: That is representative of just really really good coaching.

1678
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 3: But by the way, Zach, in the time that you've

1679
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 3: been on our radio show and your colleagues I know

1680
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 3: have met and I'm not Eddie.

1681
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 2: Did you happen to feel a breeze just a second ago?

1682
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 2: I don't know if you felt that or not. Zach.

1683
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 2: Have you met Robin the genie that stops by our

1684
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 2: show from time to time?

1685
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

1686
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 2: No, Robin is correct, Zach.

1687
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 12: My name is Rabbi, and the gen I oftentimes allow

1688
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 12: you to make a pretty e show and if it

1689
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:43,560
Speaker 12: comes correct.

1690
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 6: I will pay you one million dollars.

1691
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 3: Well it's now he owes Robin owes Joli ericson a

1692
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 3: million dollars for saying Daniel Jones would be the cold starter?

1693
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 6: Does he not?

1694
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 2: Eddie?

1695
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 6: Is that right?

1696
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 2: I think so?

1697
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 12: At primise, I pay I did have the be a

1698
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 12: fairy delivered to him?

1699
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 3: Okay, Robbie, no problem, So Robin I he has a

1700
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 3: word for you, Zach Ostroman. Are you willing to take

1701
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:04,639
Speaker 3: the advice of Robin the Genie?

1702
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you there.

1703
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 12: I appreciate your work in the Indianapolis Star, but I'd

1704
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 12: like to offer for you one genie bit of advice,

1705
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 12: which is, don't be the world's biggest dumb blank word

1706
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 12: again and pick against Indiana, because you got to roasted

1707
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 12: for that after saying Alabama would win. So it is

1708
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 12: my belief you should say that Indiana will beat the

1709
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 12: ducks of Oregon.

1710
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 3: That's uh, that's that's a big time from Robin there,

1711
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 3: because Robin doesn't usually follow.

1712
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 6: Through on things.

1713
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 4: Well, he never offers advice either.

1714
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:40,759
Speaker 2: Is not my advice.

1715
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 12: By the way, it comes this time for free, young

1716
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 12: Zach please iidhere to eat.

1717
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 3: Okay, you're gonna follow his advice. Ac you got you

1718
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 3: caught some heat for picking Alabama.

1719
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've already dropped.

1720
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 11: I've already dropped a prediction and I've got Indiana twenty eight,

1721
01:27:54,560 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 11: orgon twenty three. It's it is very hard, and I

1722
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 11: know there will be I believe me.

1723
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 1: I've seen it.

1724
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 11: And somebody asked me if people had stopped being mean

1725
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 11: on the internet, and I said, the last time people

1726
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 11: weren't mean on the internet was probably five years ago.

1727
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,639
Speaker 3: You're screwed now that now, though, man, because if they lose,

1728
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 3: it's your fault because you jinxed them.

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01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if I had that kind of power. Do

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01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 1: you think I'd still be here?

1731
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:24,640
Speaker 11: Like if I had, if I had the power to

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01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 11: control even the fate of just one college football program,

1733
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 11: I'd be the one getting the you know, the the

1734
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 11: fifteen million dollar contract right now.

1735
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: Not not Lane Kiffen, but.

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01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 2: You know it.

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01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 11: You don't want to place too much stock in a

1738
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 11: game that was played three months ago. But on the

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01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 11: other hand, I keep coming back to this idea. We

1740
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 11: have seen these teams play before.

1741
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 5: That is rare.

1742
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 11: That is, that is unusual in college football to see

1743
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 11: two teams play twice in the same season. And while

1744
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 11: I know that rematches, you know that it's kind of

1745
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 11: a mixed bag in terms of who wins the rematch

1746
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 11: when it happens again. The trouble I have getting past

1747
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 11: Oregon is Indiana was just so comfortably the better team

1748
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 11: that day.

1749
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 1: Oregon. Like There's been a lot of talk.

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01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 11: For example, about how Oregon needs Indiana to make mistakes

1751
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 11: for Oregon to win this game.

1752
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: Indiana made mistakes that day.

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01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 11: Oregon's only two touchdowns were a pick six and a

1754
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 11: busted coverage, Like, Indiana made mistakes that day, made the

1755
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 11: kinds of mistakes that people are saying if they make

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01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 11: them in this game, they will lose and Oregon will win.

1757
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: But Oregon lost that game by.

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01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 11: Two scorers at home, despite Indiana making exactly those kinds

1759
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 11: of mistakes. I think Oregon's going to struggle to run

1760
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 11: the ball, maybe even more consistently. At least if they don't,

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01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 11: it will be the first time that we've seen a

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01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 11: team with Oregon's current roster makeup able to consistently move

1763
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 11: the football on the ground on Indiana. All season, Indiana

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01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 11: was the team that constructed genuine touchdown drives.

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01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 1: In that game.

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01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 11: Every one of India's touchdown drives was at least nine

1767
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 11: plays and was at least seventy five yards. And that

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01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 11: was in weather in Eugene, not in a dome state

1769
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,799
Speaker 11: in Atlanta, in front of a crowd that I suspect

1770
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 11: is going to be very, very red and white.

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01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 1: I just it is.

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Speaker 11: You know, I'm not saying Oregon can't win. I think

1773
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 11: it's gonna be a close game. I think it's gonna

1774
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 11: be nip and tuck. But I'm saying, if you're sitting

1775
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 11: here before the game and you're saying, who do you

1776
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 11: think can win this game? It is very difficult to

1777
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 11: find anywhere near as many reasons to pick Oregon as

1778
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 11: it is Indiana. It's like Indiana's got the two percent

1779
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:31,599
Speaker 11: advantage in almost every matchup argument, and if you add

1780
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 11: that up, I think it adds up to Indiana winning

1781
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 11: by I think I had five points, but you know,

1782
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 11: give me, give me anywhere from like twenty four to

1783
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:42,919
Speaker 11: twenty to thirty to twenty four, something in that range.

1784
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 2: Zach, we appreciate the time.

1785
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 3: I'll let you get to the varsity, get a little

1786
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 3: taste to home, and then we will be reading your

1787
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 3: coverage of Indiana or Oregon, and perhaps be talking to

1788
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 3: you shortly thereafter that as the Hoosiers are on their

1789
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 3: way to Miami Gardens best in terms of the travel

1790
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 3: and enjoying a little taste to home as well.

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01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:02,600
Speaker 1: I'll do it.

1792
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 11: I'll be at Atlanta Breakfast Club bright and early tomorrow morning.

1793
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:07,680
Speaker 3: Don't worry the ABC as we like to call it,

1794
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 3: right the Jackson five used to like that place, all right, Zack,

1795
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 3: appreciate it.

1796
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me as always.

1797
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 3: Bob Kravitz gonna join us. We're gonna break down some

1798
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 3: of the things Chris Ballard said and didn't say.

1799
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 2: We'll do that in ten, tell you.

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01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 3: Something interesting, and I'm just gonna shoot this straight. This

1801
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 3: is fascinating to me, doesn't bother me. I do find

1802
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 3: it fascinating. There are certain things and I don't know

1803
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 3: what triggers it on the ex post twitter where and

1804
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:40,679
Speaker 3: I mentioned it before about when I sent a tweet

1805
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 3: complimenting an employee at AutoZone where a bot gets a

1806
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:45,679
Speaker 3: hold of it.

1807
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 2: And just takes off and the latest is.

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01:31:55,680 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 3: I and I realized that in social media sometimes sarcasm

1809
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 3: doesn't come through. But Chris Ballard has always built his

1810
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 3: resume on or his philosophy on it's about.

1811
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 2: More than just a quarterback.

1812
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 3: Almost like he I'm not saying he was trying to

1813
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 3: discredit Ander like he knows how good angew Luck was,

1814
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 3: but when he got here, because he wasn't responsible for

1815
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 3: Ander Luck, he was responsible for all the pieces around

1816
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 3: Ander Luck. So he was already laying the groundwork for Hey,

1817
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 3: if this, if we went a lot of stuff, don't forget,

1818
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 3: I've got my part two. So all I'm saying is

1819
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:37,679
Speaker 3: based on that if you have a season that goes

1820
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 3: south because your quarterback gets hurt, it's hard to say, well,

1821
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 3: it's about the one guy that went down. Well, no,

1822
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:45,919
Speaker 3: you've already told me. It's about more than the quarterback.

1823
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 3: I understand that they had that Daniel Jones played very well.

1824
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I think if you listen to this show enough,

1825
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 3: you know where I stand on it. But earlier today

1826
01:32:55,200 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 3: when Chris Ballard said in a quote that we don't

1827
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 3: use injuries as an excuse, and then thirty seconds later

1828
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 3: he says, but if you look at the injury right

1829
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 3: I mean, listen to it right here.

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01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 5: I'm never going to use health as an an excuse.

1831
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think that's. Like I said a

1832
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 5: minute ago, like the team you start with in August

1833
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 5: is it's never the same team you finish with in January.

1834
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 5: So no, I will tell you this, Like I think

1835
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 5: our defensive front, we've got to add some fuel to

1836
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 5: the front, and we've got to get younger. We've got

1837
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 5: to get faster unequivocally on defense. Offensively, we've got to

1838
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 5: be able to run it when we want to run it.

1839
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 5: And I will say that kind of when Daniel got hurt,

1840
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 5: it took away some things we could do from a

1841
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 5: mobility standpoint, which I think affected it. But that's something

1842
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 5: we'll dig into. But just off, you know our initial thinking,

1843
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 5: you know our defensive front, and we've got to get faster,

1844
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 5: especially on defense.

1845
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 3: Can't use health as an excuse, but then later maybe

1846
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:01,799
Speaker 3: as an explanation as more than an excuse.

1847
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 2: Maybe that's fair.

1848
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 3: But in terms of the defensive front, that is one

1849
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 3: hundred percent on Ballard. There's no area of football that

1850
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:12,680
Speaker 3: he has more tried to work on every year and

1851
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 3: preached more what he is going to get corrected than

1852
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 3: defensive front. But simply when I pointed out via social

1853
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:28,679
Speaker 3: media that I thought he contrasted himself, there contradicted himself.

1854
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 3: There there was one response for Chris Ballard. And now

1855
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 3: I've got this thread of people that are all going

1856
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 3: after my critique of Chris Ballard, none of which follow me,

1857
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 3: and none of which have ever posted about anything having

1858
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 3: to do with the city of Indianapolis or the Colts

1859
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 3: franchise ever before. It is a cesspool of robots, that's all.

1860
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 3: It's still a fun thing to do. But you got

1861
01:34:55,920 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 3: to weed through so much incredible crap to find anybody.

1862
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 3: But we didn't have to we do anybody to find

1863
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 3: Bob Kravitzy joins us next Okay, a couple of things

1864
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 3: of note here real quick. First off, looks like Curt

1865
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 3: Signetti maybe getting a raise yet again, not just the

1866
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 3: one that he had, if my understanding of this is correct,

1867
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 3: and that's always dangerous. But my understanding is that Signetti

1868
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 3: had a clause in the contract that he had signed

1869
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 3: that allows for him to get a guarantee I believe,

1870
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 3: of within the top three or the average of the

1871
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 3: top three salaries in college football. When Lane Kiffen went

1872
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:47,320
Speaker 3: to LSU, that bumped up what the top three salaries

1873
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 3: were and made Ryan Day's twelve and a half million,

1874
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 3: some one million dollars above Signetti the benchmark for number three.

1875
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 3: And as a result, contractually speaking, he has then owed

1876
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 3: an additional million, so that he is now going to

1877
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:03,639
Speaker 3: be paid twelve point five instead of eleven point five million.

1878
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 2: There are multiple reports.

1879
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 3: Of that out there, and that sounds like absurd money,

1880
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 3: I realize, But the role of an institution is that

1881
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 3: it is an academic institution first, and you can say, well,

1882
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 3: then why it is paying a football coach thirteen million

1883
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 3: or twelve and a half million, help out your academics.

1884
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 3: The way it doesn't look at Colorado look at Butler

1885
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 3: with Brad Stevens basketball not football, I realize. But when

1886
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 3: you have a school Clemson, I can tell you right

1887
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:36,640
Speaker 3: now as somebody who goes to Clemson games and the

1888
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 3: way that campus has changed. When you become an its

1889
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 3: school athletically, you increase the profile of the school where

1890
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 3: your applications for student entrant like triple and when that happens,

1891
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 3: you are then thus allowed to be even more selective

1892
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,640
Speaker 3: as to the academic criteria. Thus you are bolstering the

1893
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:01,439
Speaker 3: academic reputation of the school and the value of the

1894
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 3: degree for its graduates. That would be the explanation that

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01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:07,760
Speaker 3: I would give to you. Joining me now on the

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01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 3: Java House Peel and Board guest line. He is, of

1897
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 3: course a fard of the program. Bob Kravitz dot com

1898
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 3: is where you can read his column longtime Indianapolis sports

1899
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 3: writer Bob, I'll get right to this. Chris Ballard's press

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01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 3: conference earlier today. Your overall takeaway or impression.

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01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 9: Well, I went into it thinking what the hell can

1902
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 9: he possibly say that he hasn't already said. I mean,

1903
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 9: you knew he was going to fall on his sword,

1904
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 9: and that's exactly what he did. I thought that he

1905
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 9: had a walk at tightrope because he doesn't want to use,

1906
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 9: you know, the injuries as an excuse. But you know,

1907
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 9: when you lose your top two quarterbacks and your third

1908
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 9: ones got a knee, I mean, those are pretty good explanations,

1909
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 9: if you know, if nothing else. So I thought that

1910
01:37:54,640 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 9: he he rather definitely handled that element of it. You know,

1911
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 9: you don't want to say the injuries derailed the season,

1912
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 9: but I mean, let's be honest, injuries derailed the season.

1913
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 3: I understand it. My thing has always been Bob, and

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01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 3: that's not inaccurate. And if and I would be willing

1915
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:19,280
Speaker 3: to and I still am willing to accept that, except

1916
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 3: for it is Chris Ballard, not me, not you, not Eddie.

1917
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:26,639
Speaker 3: It is Chris Ballard who is on record of saying

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01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 3: in the past that football is about more than just

1919
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:31,599
Speaker 3: one player or one position, and you have to build

1920
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:35,559
Speaker 3: a roster that is not quarterback reliant. Right, So if

1921
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 3: that's the that's the case, you can't say here's my

1922
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 3: best building job and guess what it was, quarterback reliant.

1923
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 9: Well, I think it's pretty clear that once they got

1924
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 9: the quarterback thing right, and I'm not convinced that they

1925
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 9: have as of yet they were seven to one, eight

1926
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:58,200
Speaker 9: and two. You know, he said that stuff about the

1927
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:02,680
Speaker 9: quarterback back when Andrew Luck was here. It's easy to

1928
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 9: say that it's not all about the quarterback when you

1929
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:08,639
Speaker 9: have a guy like the Luck, a generational talent. But clearly,

1930
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 9: you know, you look at the teams in the in

1931
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 9: the playoffs, all of them have you know, terrific starting quarterbacks.

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01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:22,200
Speaker 9: So yeah, I you know, he's he's in a weird position.

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01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 9: I think he knows that he's very, very fortunate to

1934
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 9: still have a job.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe, Bob?

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01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 3: Now, this is what I love, Bob, you and I

1937
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 3: and maybe we should do it more on air instead

1938
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 3: of off air, Like we get into some deep not

1939
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 3: conspiracy conversations, but you and I get into some deep

1940
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 3: left field conversations. Right if the situation was the exact

1941
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 3: same and Carl Orse Gordon was five years into this

1942
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 3: and I know that she's been around it for a

1943
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:53,960
Speaker 3: long time.

1944
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:54,639
Speaker 2: I get that.

1945
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,759
Speaker 3: But there are a lot of things that go into

1946
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 3: the essent, into the top of the boardroom because of

1947
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:07,679
Speaker 3: the sad and unfortunate passing of your father. But I'm

1948
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 3: talking about things like the business aspect of the state

1949
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 3: tax the sale of things, getting all ducks in a

1950
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 3: row from that. I mean, I can only imagine the

1951
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 3: intricacies of that, and the one area that can be

1952
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 3: kind of clean or have continuity to it would be

1953
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:28,000
Speaker 3: the football operations in that first year. If this was

1954
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 3: year five of her ownership and her having navigated through

1955
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 3: all of the non football stuff, do you believe she

1956
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 3: makes the same decision.

1957
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 13: Probably not.

1958
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 9: I think it's reasonable to suspect that Carly and the

1959
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 9: sisters would did not really look forward to doing a

1960
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 9: GM and coach search after their first year in charge.

1961
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:57,720
Speaker 9: I think that's a question that you know, I mean,

1962
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:01,679
Speaker 9: nobody's going to answer that. Obviously, you heard Carly's press

1963
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 9: conference the other day. But you know, I'm not so

1964
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:08,880
Speaker 9: sure about the estate taxes and all the other stuff,

1965
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:16,160
Speaker 9: and selling the Lake Max, Entucky mansion has anything to

1966
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 9: do with it. I just think that, you know, they'd

1967
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 9: like to be a little more established before they undergo

1968
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 9: a coach and GM.

1969
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 3: Search, which I think is understandable, right, I mean, I mean,

1970
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 3: and for that matter, I think if she would have

1971
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 3: come out and said, listen, fans, I know this is

1972
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 3: going to be opposite of what you want to hear,

1973
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:41,719
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna have to ask for your patients because

1974
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 3: right now I just need to have a little bit

1975
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 3: of continuity while I continue to assess.

1976
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:47,800
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would have said, I

1977
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:48,759
Speaker 2: get it right.

1978
01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, but you're not going to see You're not

1979
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:52,720
Speaker 13: going to hear that.

1980
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:56,759
Speaker 9: I mean, they're not gonna they're not gonna say anything

1981
01:41:57,160 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 9: close to that. But I agree, I agree with you,

1982
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:03,479
Speaker 9: and I do think that that you know, after just

1983
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 9: one year in charge, you know you want continuity, you

1984
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:11,640
Speaker 9: want familiarity, and so I you know, I think she

1985
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 9: took kind of the easy way out. I realize it's

1986
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:17,520
Speaker 9: the hard way out when you look at the fan anger,

1987
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:23,799
Speaker 9: but I just don't think they were really emotionally prepared

1988
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:26,320
Speaker 9: to do a whole new GM search and a coaching search,

1989
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:31,639
Speaker 9: and you know, and you can it's hard to argue

1990
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 9: that Balor deserves another chance. I certainly can't. I wrote

1991
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 9: after a week sixteen or seventeen that they need to

1992
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 9: blow up and start over. But I understand where Carly

1993
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 9: is coming from.

1994
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 3: Okay, allow this question, then, Bob, Okay, is there a

1995
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:55,080
Speaker 3: chance did carl Er say Gordon went with the status

1996
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 3: quo for right now, because he's got a year left

1997
01:42:57,200 --> 01:43:01,320
Speaker 3: on his contract anyway, and because he also is aware

1998
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:05,120
Speaker 3: of the fact that with no definitive starting quarterback coming

1999
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 3: back next year, that is going to be known to

2000
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 3: be healthy in Week one, with no pass rush and

2001
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 3: no first round pick the next two years. That she

2002
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 3: looked at it and went, this probably is the best

2003
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:18,240
Speaker 3: I'm going to get right now.

2004
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:19,599
Speaker 13: Yeah.

2005
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 9: Maybe, so you look at how many openings there are

2006
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:26,559
Speaker 9: in the league. She would have been competing with a

2007
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:30,200
Speaker 9: lot of teams for the top talent, both as GM

2008
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:37,000
Speaker 9: and coach. You know, I don't think finances had a

2009
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,720
Speaker 9: lot to do with it. You know, Ballarts only got

2010
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 9: one year. I believe Steichen's got two years left. You know,

2011
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 9: we're going to find out at the end of next

2012
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 9: year if they're not successful, whether they are joined at

2013
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:53,240
Speaker 9: the hip or not. I would suspect not or suspect

2014
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 9: they are. I think this is a playoffs R bust

2015
01:43:56,680 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 9: year for both of them. But yeah, I think that's

2016
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 9: where it stands right now.

2017
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:05,800
Speaker 3: You know, I'll be honest. I do like Stikeen. I

2018
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 3: don't dislike Chris Ballad. I think people think I dislike

2019
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:10,120
Speaker 3: Chris Balance. I don't know Chris Ballard, right, I just

2020
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 3: I feel like the Ballard tenure has hit its ceiling

2021
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 3: and there is not enough body of work evidence to

2022
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 3: indicate that that is going to change.

2023
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 2: That's all I would say there.

2024
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:27,240
Speaker 3: Steiken I feel like has kind of grown into, especially

2025
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 3: if Daniel Jones is healthy, a quarterback or excuse me,

2026
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:33,800
Speaker 3: a coach that with the relationship he has with his quarterback,

2027
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 3: has learned on the job and made some errors. But

2028
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:40,559
Speaker 3: I have confidence that he will continue to grow. I

2029
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 3: think Steiken offers a fairly promising future.

2030
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 2: What say you, Yeah?

2031
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 9: I think we started to see the best of Shane

2032
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:53,040
Speaker 9: Steike in this year, especially in terms of the way

2033
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:57,679
Speaker 9: he worked so closely and so well with Daniel Jones.

2034
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 9: I think it's easy to justify bringing back Stichen that

2035
01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 9: it is bringing back Ballad. To be perfectly honest with you,

2036
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:09,960
Speaker 9: I don't think we've seen I mean, three years is

2037
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:12,280
Speaker 9: a long time the National Football League, and you see

2038
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:17,240
Speaker 9: how quickly other teams have torn down and rebuilt, and

2039
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:22,320
Speaker 9: you know, I mean it doesn't I mean it's everybody

2040
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 9: knows that the Colts haven't made the playoffs in nine years,

2041
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 9: and every other team in the AFC South has won

2042
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 9: it at least twice. That just can't continue. I think

2043
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 9: Stichen has a chance to be the right guy. I

2044
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:41,599
Speaker 9: don't think he's a terribly good communicator. I don't know

2045
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 9: yet whether he's a leader of men. I don't know

2046
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:47,720
Speaker 9: if he can finish the way they need to finish.

2047
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:50,840
Speaker 9: But I think he's due the opportunity to try.

2048
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:54,799
Speaker 3: Bob, what did you think before we get to Indiana football?

2049
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:58,960
Speaker 3: What did you overall think of the two press conferences?

2050
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:01,520
Speaker 3: Was there anything you took away from it that surprised

2051
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 3: you in terms of thought process or either disappointed or

2052
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:06,120
Speaker 3: encouraged you.

2053
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:09,840
Speaker 13: Well, I thought, Carly, you know, God bless her.

2054
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 9: She's trying, you know, and I think I think she's

2055
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:18,519
Speaker 9: very very sharp and has you know, dived headfirst into

2056
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:23,719
Speaker 9: this uh, into this organization and done all the right things.

2057
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 9: But you know, she is not like your dad, and

2058
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:29,639
Speaker 9: we can't expect you to be like your dad. And

2059
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 9: you know, speaking publicly and answering reporters questions is not

2060
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 9: what she's you know, born to do. I thought it

2061
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 9: was a little clunky, you know, at the same time,

2062
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 9: you know, like I say, I give her grace on

2063
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:48,600
Speaker 9: that ballad was exactly as I expected. I could have

2064
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 9: answered those questions for him, you know, just write the

2065
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:55,760
Speaker 9: column and you know, I mean, you.

2066
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:57,760
Speaker 2: Could have just pulled up your files from last year, right.

2067
01:46:57,880 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 13: From last year, the year before, the year before I had.

2068
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,040
Speaker 13: That's what I was saying going into this.

2069
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 9: I was like, why the hell can he possibly say

2070
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:06,960
Speaker 9: that he hasn't already said. I was glad to hear

2071
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:09,599
Speaker 9: him say they need to get faster and younger at

2072
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:10,719
Speaker 9: the linebacker spot.

2073
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 2: Hey, that was a good bob. Let's get into that.

2074
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:16,639
Speaker 3: But because a couple of things jumped out right there

2075
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 3: with me, that would lead you to believe that what

2076
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 3: player might want to be calling Biff Ward.

2077
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 9: Both both Zaire Andermaine Pratt. Yeah, both, Yeah. I don't

2078
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:33,040
Speaker 9: think either one of them covered himself in glory. You know,

2079
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 9: Zaire had a lot of a lot of tackles, but

2080
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 9: in coverage it's not so good, not so good. So

2081
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:43,240
Speaker 9: you know, you saw how teams shoot up the Colts

2082
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 9: in the middle of the field. Tight ends have historically

2083
01:47:47,120 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 9: had banner days against the Colts.

2084
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:50,719
Speaker 13: You remember when.

2085
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 9: McCaffrey did and McCaffrey does that to a lot of people,

2086
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:57,280
Speaker 9: but he was running free all day during that game.

2087
01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 9: So I think they're going to change the lineback. I

2088
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:04,799
Speaker 9: think they're going to try and sign an edge rusher.

2089
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:08,479
Speaker 9: I still I know Trey Hendrickson's getting up there in years,

2090
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,800
Speaker 9: but for a year or two, hell, I give it

2091
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:12,680
Speaker 9: a shot.

2092
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:13,000
Speaker 10: You know.

2093
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:17,759
Speaker 9: He seems to be bullish on law too. He thinks

2094
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 9: he has a chance that he's ascending, as it were.

2095
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:24,920
Speaker 9: But boy Quitty Pey has just been a disappointment on

2096
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:25,960
Speaker 9: the other On the other.

2097
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:27,439
Speaker 2: End, well, that's the thing is, you know.

2098
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 3: He he commented that they need to get better in

2099
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:32,599
Speaker 3: their front four and then their rush and I'm thinking,

2100
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 3: but that's been the area that he has. It almost

2101
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 3: has come at the cost of other areas of the

2102
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:40,920
Speaker 3: team because you keep investing in that, right, I mean,

2103
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:44,200
Speaker 3: that's the frustrating thing about it. And then Moodey Ward,

2104
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 3: you know, I think it's all been everything. But they

2105
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 3: put a billboard up to let us know that Mooney

2106
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:55,360
Speaker 3: Ward may call it a career. And if that's the case, Bob,

2107
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 3: as I keep saying, I hope everybody understands that that's

2108
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:01,519
Speaker 3: the best situation for the health of that young man.

2109
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 3: And you simply pat him on the back and say,

2110
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:05,160
Speaker 3: hey man, great career and thanks for giving it a go.

2111
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:06,960
Speaker 13: Yeah, I talked.

2112
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:11,800
Speaker 9: Oh a bunch of us talked to Tarvarius the other day,

2113
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 9: and he certainly sounded like a guy who is going

2114
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 9: to come back. But one more concussion and he's out.

2115
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:25,680
Speaker 9: That was the impression that I got from talking with him.

2116
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:27,400
Speaker 9: You know, he said he was going to talk with

2117
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:31,559
Speaker 9: his family. I guess one of his parents, maybe his

2118
01:49:31,640 --> 01:49:34,960
Speaker 9: father told him he probably should give it up, hang

2119
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:37,679
Speaker 9: it up. But that's that's so hard for a player

2120
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:39,920
Speaker 9: to do. How old is he twenty eight or something?

2121
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:40,240
Speaker 6: I know?

2122
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's made a lot of money, he

2123
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:43,320
Speaker 2: got a big contract.

2124
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 1: But yes, that's what he said.

2125
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:48,880
Speaker 9: He said, I got generational wealth, I got everything I

2126
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 9: need out of the game. I've been a pro bowler,

2127
01:49:51,479 --> 01:49:54,280
Speaker 9: haven't won a super Bowl. But you know, thinks he's

2128
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:58,800
Speaker 9: got a possibility. I think he's going to come back

2129
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 9: to the DeForest is definitely going to come back. He

2130
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:04,320
Speaker 9: announced it on Instagram, which tells me I really need

2131
01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:05,599
Speaker 9: to get an Instagram account.

2132
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:08,559
Speaker 13: That's right, Uh yeah, and uh yeah.

2133
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 9: I think Moody's gonna come back for a year, but

2134
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:13,720
Speaker 9: you know, or maybe longer. But I think it all

2135
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:15,400
Speaker 9: depends on whether he can stay healthy.

2136
01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:17,439
Speaker 3: By the way, I can tell you that if you

2137
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 3: click on the wrong thing on Instagram once the algorithm

2138
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 3: picks it up, and then all of a sudden you're

2139
01:50:21,439 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 3: entertained for hours. You just don't want other people necessarily

2140
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:25,760
Speaker 3: seeing what's going on, you know what I mean?

2141
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:28,280
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I said.

2142
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:31,040
Speaker 9: I actually set one up about I don't know, one

2143
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 9: hundred years ago when I was at WTHR or something,

2144
01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:35,840
Speaker 9: and I think I posted once.

2145
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 13: Okay, I don't know how it works.

2146
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:42,160
Speaker 3: Did you post your legs on the beach taking time

2147
01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:44,439
Speaker 3: off R and R back next week?

2148
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:44,920
Speaker 2: Okay?

2149
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:47,360
Speaker 9: I think it was actually a I think it was

2150
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:50,000
Speaker 9: actually a picture of a cold glass of beer.

2151
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:52,240
Speaker 13: Hell yeah, where I was on a.

2152
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:57,680
Speaker 9: Layover Hell yeah, between Miami and Indianapolis.

2153
01:50:57,760 --> 01:50:59,679
Speaker 3: In that case, you've got to use the airport codes

2154
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 3: if you want to be authentic. Mia Arrow, I n

2155
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:07,479
Speaker 3: D you know that kind of thing, right, Hey? Speaking up, Miami,

2156
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 3: Indiana is one win from there. If they are to

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01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:12,640
Speaker 3: beat Oregon, they would be playing for the national championship

2158
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:17,040
Speaker 3: against either the Miami Hurricanes or Ole. Miss your overall thoughts,

2159
01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:21,200
Speaker 3: Bob on this, and we're past the point. Now, it's

2160
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:24,799
Speaker 3: like Norman Dale to Hoosiers. We're past the big speech point.

2161
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:27,760
Speaker 3: But so we're past the point of talking about just

2162
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:32,280
Speaker 3: how unbelievably incredible this is. I'm going to ask you

2163
01:51:32,360 --> 01:51:39,280
Speaker 3: a non Indiana Oregon question. Okay, okay, has this run

2164
01:51:41,160 --> 01:51:45,479
Speaker 3: finally put the kapper on? And I'm not saying killing

2165
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:50,679
Speaker 3: the program, but has it finally awakened the Indiana fan

2166
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:53,400
Speaker 3: base that it is a school that does not carry

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01:51:53,439 --> 01:51:55,679
Speaker 3: the same basketball cachet it once did.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think there's hope with Darreon Debries. You know,

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01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:05,639
Speaker 9: are you asking me is it a football school now?

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01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:07,280
Speaker 9: And and you know, I.

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01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:11,800
Speaker 3: Mean, I realize this is a short lived, so far phenomenon,

2172
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 3: but I mean they had a home game against Washington

2173
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:16,559
Speaker 3: that might have had nine thousand people there.

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01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:18,880
Speaker 13: This way, I do think this.

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01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:22,400
Speaker 9: If you gave who's your fans a choice of a

2176
01:52:22,479 --> 01:52:26,960
Speaker 9: national title in basketball and a national title in football,

2177
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:31,520
Speaker 9: I think I think they would they would take basketball

2178
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 9: just because it's of courses, it's our lifeblood in this state.

2179
01:52:37,720 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 13: I think, what do you think?

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01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:42,760
Speaker 3: I think you're right. Here's the thing. If you were

2181
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 3: to ask them right now, I think they would say.

2182
01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:47,160
Speaker 13: Now say football, well, I mean.

2183
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:48,920
Speaker 3: Two wins away. If you said, okay, they can get

2184
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:50,799
Speaker 3: this done right now. But I'm saying in a vacuum,

2185
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 3: like if you ask people in another if they don't

2186
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:55,879
Speaker 3: win it, okay, let's say Oregon beats them or Miami

2187
01:52:55,920 --> 01:53:00,800
Speaker 3: beats them, and you ask them in three months. I

2188
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:03,680
Speaker 3: think with truth serum, a lot would still say basketball,

2189
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 3: basketball because they're a little embarrassed that that banner up there.

2190
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:11,719
Speaker 3: It's the reality is now starting to kick into people

2191
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:15,559
Speaker 3: of like, wait a minute, that most recent banner is

2192
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:20,880
Speaker 3: almost as old as the nineteen forty banner was when

2193
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 3: it was one, Like that's we're get That's uncomfortable to

2194
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,680
Speaker 3: me and so and I also think there's the mentality

2195
01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:29,120
Speaker 3: of well, football, we're going to get one here in

2196
01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:30,840
Speaker 3: the next five years anyway, So I don't need to

2197
01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:31,240
Speaker 3: wish for that.

2198
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:32,719
Speaker 2: It's just going to happen, right.

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01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:37,800
Speaker 9: God, nineteen eighty seven, I remember that year. I could

2200
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 9: still see my toes.

2201
01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:43,160
Speaker 13: Oh, you'd be proud of.

2202
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:46,559
Speaker 9: Me, and an Instagram photo, Yeah, you'd be proud of me.

2203
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:51,200
Speaker 9: Though I'm a lifetime fitness working out, I've lost thirteen pounds.

2204
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:53,600
Speaker 9: I know we're going off and in tangent here. No,

2205
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:55,840
Speaker 9: you'd be proud of me because I know, I know

2206
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:59,519
Speaker 9: Time my spot are concerned. You are concerned about my health.

2207
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:02,120
Speaker 2: Well, Lifetime's my spot. And I'm happy to hear that.

2208
01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:05,040
Speaker 2: And you've lost thirteen pounds. That's cool.

2209
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:06,320
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a start.

2210
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:08,360
Speaker 9: It's a deck chair off the Titanic.

2211
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:09,439
Speaker 2: You know what.

2212
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:12,360
Speaker 3: Hey, you take that. By the way, I'm glad you

2213
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:16,120
Speaker 3: said deck chair. I got concerned their first plit second. No,

2214
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:18,160
Speaker 3: you got to take what you can get. Do they okay?

2215
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:18,519
Speaker 7: Does?

2216
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,679
Speaker 3: Here's the thing as you have turned things around now, Bob,

2217
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 3: And I'm happy to hear that, honestly. I mean, you

2218
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:25,840
Speaker 3: know that's where you and I really first met was

2219
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:30,120
Speaker 3: at Lifetime Fitness our and our mutual heart issues.

2220
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 2: Does Indiana get this done?

2221
01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:34,480
Speaker 9: Yeah?

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01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:36,680
Speaker 13: I think they're gonna win the whole thing, Jake, I

2223
01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 13: really do.

2224
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:42,000
Speaker 9: I think with Ohio State out of the way, Georgia out.

2225
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:43,720
Speaker 2: Of the way, those are the two I was worried about.

2226
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:47,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, those are the two that I thought could beat Indiana.

2227
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:54,080
Speaker 9: Obviously they beat Ohio State, and if Oregon is gonna win,

2228
01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:56,280
Speaker 9: they're gonna have to play a damn near perfect game

2229
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:59,080
Speaker 9: because I know one thing in my soul is that

2230
01:54:59,120 --> 01:55:02,680
Speaker 9: Indiana's not going to make mistakes. Indiana is not going

2231
01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 9: to beat itself with turnovers, with penalties, with missed assignments.

2232
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 9: It's not going to happen, because it hasn't happened all year.

2233
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:15,160
Speaker 9: I mean, I was shocked. I think it was the

2234
01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:17,360
Speaker 9: old Dominion game where they had a couple of bad

2235
01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:21,040
Speaker 9: run fits and they had a couple of long runs,

2236
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 9: and I think that made Sig absolutely crazy.

2237
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:28,840
Speaker 13: But no, I think they're going to get it done.

2238
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:30,120
Speaker 13: I really do. I think.

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01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:33,600
Speaker 9: I think it's a field goal game tomorrow, and I

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01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:36,000
Speaker 9: think they'll get the best of I think Miami is

2241
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:38,480
Speaker 9: going to win that game tonight. So I think I

2242
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:39,840
Speaker 9: you Miami, and I think they win.

2243
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:43,680
Speaker 3: Listen, Miami's defense is legit, right, I mean Miami's defense

2244
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:45,160
Speaker 3: so dynasty.

2245
01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:46,800
Speaker 2: No, I know, no, no question, I mean no question.

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01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:50,000
Speaker 3: I think I think Indiana Miami would be a fascinating

2247
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:55,600
Speaker 3: matchup because it's defense defense. The two front fours looked

2248
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:57,800
Speaker 3: like the Spider Man gift, right, and then you go

2249
01:55:57,880 --> 01:56:01,080
Speaker 3: advantage Indiana because even though you know Back's a great quarterback,

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01:56:01,080 --> 01:56:03,880
Speaker 3: but I do like I like the versatility better of

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01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:04,879
Speaker 3: Indiana's offense.

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01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:06,440
Speaker 13: Yeah, that man.

2253
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:09,320
Speaker 9: You know, when I look at big games, I just

2254
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:13,120
Speaker 9: asked a simple question, who's got the better quarterback? And

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01:56:13,240 --> 01:56:16,640
Speaker 9: Carson Beck is a nice, nice quarterback, nice player. But

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01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:19,640
Speaker 9: Fernando is playing at a whole different level right now,

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01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:23,320
Speaker 9: so I think, and we've seen him in the clutch

2258
01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:26,440
Speaker 9: and you know, whatever you think of it, he's got

2259
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:30,840
Speaker 9: the clutch gene. So, uh, I think they're gonna they're

2260
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 9: gonna win on a late field goal. Fernando's gonna lead

2261
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:36,920
Speaker 9: him down the field, and uh I think they play

2262
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:38,800
Speaker 9: Miami for the national championship.

2263
01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:41,360
Speaker 3: All right, Bob, we will be reading about all of

2264
01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:43,760
Speaker 3: it in your columns Bob Kravitz dot com, where you

2265
01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 3: can see that. You will soon find him apparently on

2266
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:49,440
Speaker 3: Instagram and then you too can see his toes.

2267
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:50,600
Speaker 2: So we look forward to.

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01:56:50,840 --> 01:56:52,880
Speaker 13: That and lifetime and lifetime fitness.

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01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:53,920
Speaker 2: And lifetime fitness. That's right.

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01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:55,720
Speaker 3: I will see you there, Bob. I appreciate the time

2271
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:57,800
Speaker 3: has always had. Can we still say Happy New Year?

2272
01:56:57,840 --> 01:56:59,360
Speaker 3: What's the grace period on Happy New Year?

2273
01:56:59,360 --> 01:56:59,800
Speaker 2: Is it a week?

2274
01:56:59,880 --> 01:57:02,839
Speaker 13: Or it's January seventh? What's today?

2275
01:57:03,080 --> 01:57:04,320
Speaker 2: I think it's the eighth, isn't it.

2276
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:07,240
Speaker 3: I've always thought this or what about this, or the

2277
01:57:07,240 --> 01:57:10,920
Speaker 3: first time that you see the person in January?

2278
01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:13,160
Speaker 13: No, January seventh is hard and fast.

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01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 9: That's some tribier enthusiasm, all right, that yeah, I think

2280
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:19,080
Speaker 9: he's got that right.

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01:57:19,160 --> 01:57:21,240
Speaker 13: January seventh cut off date.

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01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I'm a day late and a dollar short.

2283
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:23,920
Speaker 2: What do you know?

2284
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:25,880
Speaker 3: All right, we'll see you, Bob, Bob Kravitz, join anybody,

2285
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:29,120
Speaker 3: Java House peeling, poor guest line. I got to give listen,

2286
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:34,960
Speaker 3: we got to give some credit here, Okay, I got

2287
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:43,000
Speaker 3: to give some credit to Cam Blankenship, Nick Lopez, Ken Myers.

2288
01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:47,480
Speaker 3: What's Falin's last name? I Away Watson? I was thick

2289
01:57:47,480 --> 01:57:52,280
Speaker 3: of Gerard failing from Boston College. Phalan Watson. Who am

2290
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:53,000
Speaker 3: I missing here?

2291
01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:53,280
Speaker 2: Eddie?

2292
01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 4: I know there's got to be a couple of others,

2293
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:58,200
Speaker 4: Devin Duncan, Devin Duncan and some of the other engineers

2294
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:00,520
Speaker 4: that we've had contracted. I don't know all their names, but.

2295
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:04,240
Speaker 3: We've had and it has not been fun, admittedly, and

2296
01:58:04,280 --> 01:58:07,840
Speaker 3: you folks have noticed it. We've had a heck of

2297
01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 3: a time since moving in here getting right the phone

2298
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:14,960
Speaker 3: line clarity, and a lot of that came from beyond

2299
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:19,200
Speaker 3: the control within this building of stuff, well beyond my

2300
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:24,360
Speaker 3: intellectual capability, broadbandwidth, Wi Fi, et cetera. And they developed

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01:58:24,360 --> 01:58:27,240
Speaker 3: a new system for us that is beyond the phone

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01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 3: line itself, which is basically a studio type auxiliary line.

2303
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:34,920
Speaker 3: And while we are not able to use that still

2304
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:37,640
Speaker 3: on a one hundred percent basis, and while still the

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01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:41,440
Speaker 3: phone lines are at about seventy percent, we have had

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01:58:41,560 --> 01:58:43,800
Speaker 3: issue in the last couple of weeks where it would

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01:58:43,800 --> 01:58:46,640
Speaker 3: pop up at the helium would pop in, or things

2308
01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:50,880
Speaker 3: like that. And in no way, shape or form is

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01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:55,920
Speaker 3: any of that related to the level of competence of

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01:58:55,920 --> 01:59:00,080
Speaker 3: the people working on it, but rather the level of

2311
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:06,400
Speaker 3: goods and materials delivered. And it takes a perseverance, but

2312
01:59:06,440 --> 01:59:09,400
Speaker 3: it also takes a professionalism and a maturity to be

2313
01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:11,840
Speaker 3: able to just stay the course and work through it.

2314
01:59:12,520 --> 01:59:16,160
Speaker 3: And those guys and gals have continued to do that,

2315
01:59:16,840 --> 01:59:19,520
Speaker 3: and I appreciate all of the listeners that have also

2316
01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 3: understood and had to laugh along with us at the

2317
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:29,040
Speaker 3: times admittedly frustrating absurdity of it, but also knowing that

2318
01:59:29,120 --> 01:59:33,839
Speaker 3: it was not the culprit of the lack of someone's execution.

2319
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:39,840
Speaker 3: So Bob sounded great, Zach sounded great. Anthony Thompson on

2320
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:43,240
Speaker 3: the phone line sounded significantly better. So it is appreciated.

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01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:46,000
Speaker 3: Let's hope that that does continue. But it is appreciated,

2322
01:59:46,040 --> 01:59:50,880
Speaker 3: and I do absolutely appreciate those of you that have

2323
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:54,080
Speaker 3: written it out and stuck with us throughout the course

2324
01:59:54,240 --> 01:59:57,360
Speaker 3: of the transition itself. All right, back to some of

2325
01:59:57,400 --> 01:59:59,560
Speaker 3: the things that Chris Ballard did say, We'll let you

2326
01:59:59,680 --> 02:00:03,320
Speaker 3: hear from mid mitt and we'll do it next great

2327
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:09,120
Speaker 3: song I said, every time you play it. Miami and

2328
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:14,960
Speaker 3: Old Miss. Tonight semi finals college football Pacers Hornet seven

2329
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:18,840
Speaker 3: o'clock pregame at six thirty right here on this radio station.

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02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:22,640
Speaker 4: Who you got Ole Miss?

2331
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:23,680
Speaker 6: The you?

2332
02:00:26,720 --> 02:00:27,080
Speaker 2: I tell you.

2333
02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:29,400
Speaker 3: I think that Miami defense is pretty stout. I'll go

2334
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:30,000
Speaker 3: with Miami.

2335
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:32,880
Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm curious on how many coaches are on the

2336
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:33,440
Speaker 4: sideline for.

2337
02:00:33,640 --> 02:00:35,760
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing too, right, It's just.

2338
02:00:36,160 --> 02:00:37,760
Speaker 4: I haven't followed it closely, but I know there were

2339
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:40,920
Speaker 4: more coaches apparently that were I supposed to leave this week.

2340
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:43,360
Speaker 2: For LSU and be an incredible story for Old Miss.

2341
02:00:43,400 --> 02:00:46,240
Speaker 4: But I love the story at trendaut Chambliss as well.

2342
02:00:46,280 --> 02:00:47,120
Speaker 4: That dude's a bowler.

2343
02:00:47,200 --> 02:00:48,920
Speaker 3: I went to Old Miss to a game last year.

2344
02:00:48,920 --> 02:00:54,280
Speaker 3: It was great, people were great, great environment. Uh, Chris

2345
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:58,400
Speaker 3: Ballarch spoke earlier today, we've played some of that for you.

2346
02:01:02,280 --> 02:01:04,840
Speaker 3: I recall years ago when I was doing the morning

2347
02:01:04,840 --> 02:01:08,160
Speaker 3: show with Kevin and Mark Dyton and asking Chris Ballard

2348
02:01:08,200 --> 02:01:11,760
Speaker 3: the area that was the most difficult for him to

2349
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:14,320
Speaker 3: kind of just put his head around. And you know,

2350
02:01:14,360 --> 02:01:16,160
Speaker 3: with anything that you do, there's always that one thing

2351
02:01:16,160 --> 02:01:18,200
Speaker 3: it's just kind of that mental hurdle. And so I

2352
02:01:18,280 --> 02:01:20,480
Speaker 3: was asking him, what's that one thing that is in

2353
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:24,600
Speaker 3: fact kind of your mental hurdle, and.

2354
02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:26,960
Speaker 2: He was.

2355
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Speaker 3: Pretty open about the fact that that one thing that

2356
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:34,600
Speaker 3: was the mental hurdle was depth at that time. And

2357
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:41,880
Speaker 3: it sounds when assessing this particular team and overlooking things

2358
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:44,920
Speaker 3: like that's still something that Chris Ballard is working on.

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Speaker 5: That's something Shane and I and Carly and all our

2360
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:49,959
Speaker 5: staff we've got to dig into of how to finish

2361
02:01:50,920 --> 02:01:53,600
Speaker 5: handle adversity. I play a big role in that with

2362
02:01:53,680 --> 02:01:56,280
Speaker 5: the roster, you know, making sure they have enough depth

2363
02:01:57,440 --> 02:02:00,320
Speaker 5: and competent players that give us a chance to win.

2364
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:03,200
Speaker 5: But I don't I really don't believe I mean, we

2365
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:05,720
Speaker 5: were playing as good as football, and like if you

2366
02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:09,839
Speaker 5: look down the stretch, I mean, you know, one score games,

2367
02:02:09,880 --> 02:02:12,640
Speaker 5: two and seven in one score games, and you got

2368
02:02:12,640 --> 02:02:14,080
Speaker 5: to find a way to fight through that and win

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02:02:14,120 --> 02:02:17,040
Speaker 5: those games. And usually the teams that make the least

2370
02:02:17,080 --> 02:02:19,280
Speaker 5: amount of mistakes in those games that win don't don't

2371
02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:22,920
Speaker 5: lose it. You know, give yourself a chance by making

2372
02:02:22,920 --> 02:02:24,440
Speaker 5: the other team have to earn it.

2373
02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:31,000
Speaker 3: Now, another big question, do they have depth at quarterback? Well,

2374
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:34,760
Speaker 3: you know that Daniel Jones, And it was pretty clear

2375
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:37,400
Speaker 3: that Daniel Jones is and I don't mean that begrudgingly,

2376
02:02:37,880 --> 02:02:40,600
Speaker 3: but it's pretty clear Daniel Jones is the guy that

2377
02:02:40,640 --> 02:02:42,400
Speaker 3: they are hoping is going to be their quarterback next

2378
02:02:42,440 --> 02:02:44,320
Speaker 3: year they start to sign him, He's got to be healthy.

2379
02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:50,800
Speaker 3: And then you have the Anthony Richardson situation, and Chris

2380
02:02:50,840 --> 02:02:56,040
Speaker 3: Ballard was simply asked where things stand with his former

2381
02:02:56,200 --> 02:02:57,440
Speaker 3: first round quarterback pick.

2382
02:02:57,640 --> 02:03:00,240
Speaker 5: I was really happy with Anthony. I think you knew

2383
02:03:00,280 --> 02:03:03,400
Speaker 5: that even after we named Daniel Jones the starter. I mean,

2384
02:03:03,480 --> 02:03:06,120
Speaker 5: unfortunately for Anthony, he's had some really bad luck. You know,

2385
02:03:06,160 --> 02:03:08,680
Speaker 5: you're one he hurts his shoulder, has to spend the

2386
02:03:08,680 --> 02:03:12,200
Speaker 5: whole next year rehabbing, comes back kind of an up

2387
02:03:12,240 --> 02:03:15,760
Speaker 5: and down, but saw positives but also some negatives. And

2388
02:03:15,800 --> 02:03:18,360
Speaker 5: then you know, goes into our training camp and I

2389
02:03:18,360 --> 02:03:20,840
Speaker 5: thought he had made tremendous strides. I did. I thought

2390
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:24,000
Speaker 5: Anthony had made great strides. At the end of the day,

2391
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:26,560
Speaker 5: we went with Daniel just felt he was the right

2392
02:03:27,640 --> 02:03:31,120
Speaker 5: person at the time for the job, but saying that

2393
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:34,360
Speaker 5: Anthony was making really good strides. I'll tell you this

2394
02:03:34,400 --> 02:03:37,879
Speaker 5: about Anthony. He's a great teammate. He's a great teammate

2395
02:03:38,560 --> 02:03:43,480
Speaker 5: and never sul never complained, was doing a great job

2396
02:03:43,640 --> 02:03:45,760
Speaker 5: as a backup quarterback, and then he has a freak

2397
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:49,400
Speaker 5: accident in the locker room. I think time will tell

2398
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:52,200
Speaker 5: in terms. It was great to get him back out

2399
02:03:52,280 --> 02:03:54,600
Speaker 5: to practice, you know, for that three weeks, so we

2400
02:03:54,640 --> 02:03:57,000
Speaker 5: at least get him back involved in the team and

2401
02:03:57,040 --> 02:03:59,800
Speaker 5: moving again. But he's got to still work through the

2402
02:04:00,360 --> 02:04:03,720
Speaker 5: he has and we'll see what the future holds there.

2403
02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:06,560
Speaker 5: But you know, a little bit of bad luck. We'll

2404
02:04:06,640 --> 02:04:10,120
Speaker 5: kind of see going forward, you know, how that ends

2405
02:04:10,160 --> 02:04:11,600
Speaker 5: up playing out. A lot of it's going to deal

2406
02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:12,480
Speaker 5: with his health too.

2407
02:04:13,160 --> 02:04:15,800
Speaker 3: So in other words, Anthony Richardson has probably played his

2408
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:19,840
Speaker 3: last game as a cult and I'm not again trying

2409
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:24,040
Speaker 3: to be overly pessimistic. That's just the reality because a

2410
02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:26,120
Speaker 3: big part of that is between the two of Chris

2411
02:04:26,160 --> 02:04:29,560
Speaker 3: Ballard and Shane Steiken. And Chris Ballard obviously has ultimate say,

2412
02:04:29,720 --> 02:04:34,040
Speaker 3: but I think Ballard has been the bigger Richardson's supporter.

2413
02:04:36,040 --> 02:04:39,720
Speaker 3: Stikeen seems totally out on him, just seems totally out

2414
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:40,120
Speaker 3: on him.

2415
02:04:41,200 --> 02:04:45,400
Speaker 2: And that's number one, and then number two, the.

2416
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:49,960
Speaker 3: If the eye is still in vision is still an

2417
02:04:49,960 --> 02:04:55,520
Speaker 3: issue that's obviously of some concern. I do want to

2418
02:04:55,520 --> 02:05:00,840
Speaker 3: clarify one thing in defense of Anthony Richardson. I think

2419
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:03,440
Speaker 3: you can be a great teammate and not be a

2420
02:05:03,480 --> 02:05:06,800
Speaker 3: great leader. If you're a quarterback, you've got to be

2421
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:11,040
Speaker 3: a great leader and a great teammate. Sometimes being a leader,

2422
02:05:11,080 --> 02:05:12,800
Speaker 3: there's two kinds of leaders.

2423
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:14,280
Speaker 2: You know.

2424
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:17,560
Speaker 3: There's the Peyton Manning leader that I've talked about where

2425
02:05:17,600 --> 02:05:19,480
Speaker 3: I've talked to guys that were in the Pro Bowl

2426
02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:22,440
Speaker 3: when Peyton Manning was there and they're in Honolulu and

2427
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:24,640
Speaker 3: everybody's sitting around and they're joking in the pool and

2428
02:05:26,080 --> 02:05:30,120
Speaker 3: you know, acting sophomoric, and then Manning rounds the corner

2429
02:05:30,120 --> 02:05:33,680
Speaker 3: and everybody would stop, well, what's his mood? And these

2430
02:05:33,680 --> 02:05:36,720
Speaker 3: are all pro players that don't even play on his

2431
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:40,360
Speaker 3: team in the regular season. But Manning just had that

2432
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:44,760
Speaker 3: it factor where when he walked in, he was the

2433
02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:49,640
Speaker 3: alpha that everybody waited to see what was happening. And

2434
02:05:49,720 --> 02:05:52,560
Speaker 3: some people are just born with that inherent leadership.

2435
02:05:53,560 --> 02:05:54,080
Speaker 6: When I went to.

2436
02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:58,960
Speaker 3: Clayburne Farms where Secretariat was a retired racehorse, and they

2437
02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:04,280
Speaker 3: told me that Secretary Marriot in his stable and his

2438
02:06:04,440 --> 02:06:07,760
Speaker 3: running pasture, there were three other horses usually that were

2439
02:06:07,760 --> 02:06:15,000
Speaker 3: there with them, rotated through younger horses and younger but

2440
02:06:15,120 --> 02:06:19,200
Speaker 3: retired also, and when it was time to feed, nobody

2441
02:06:19,200 --> 02:06:21,920
Speaker 3: would eat until Secretariot got up and walked over to

2442
02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:26,160
Speaker 3: the bail. There's just a natural leadership. Those horses aren't

2443
02:06:26,160 --> 02:06:26,720
Speaker 3: sitting there.

2444
02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:30,480
Speaker 2: Looking at the.

2445
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:31,600
Speaker 3: Sporting News that the results like you see his seventy

2446
02:06:31,600 --> 02:06:35,400
Speaker 3: three can bell my time. You can just see it,

2447
02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:39,320
Speaker 3: you can feel it. That's that kind of leadership. Then

2448
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:45,200
Speaker 3: there's the leadership of getting in guys grills, letting people

2449
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:49,840
Speaker 3: know that you're not going to accept failure. And there's

2450
02:06:49,840 --> 02:06:52,920
Speaker 3: the leadership of by example, I'm in the bill. You

2451
02:06:52,920 --> 02:06:55,000
Speaker 3: know I don't think Daniel Jones comes off as an

2452
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:59,320
Speaker 3: overly vociferous individual, but I do think that he probably

2453
02:07:00,520 --> 02:07:03,000
Speaker 3: is going through You know, he's the guy that when

2454
02:07:03,040 --> 02:07:05,320
Speaker 3: they say when everybody's walking up the field at five,

2455
02:07:05,760 --> 02:07:09,440
Speaker 3: he's grabbing two tight ends and saying, we did not

2456
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:11,200
Speaker 3: run those routes, right, we got to do that again.

2457
02:07:11,200 --> 02:07:14,040
Speaker 3: Our timing's off, and guys are walking over and they're

2458
02:07:14,040 --> 02:07:19,080
Speaker 3: looking back and they're like, man, he's still working. And

2459
02:07:19,880 --> 02:07:23,280
Speaker 3: an that just leads by example. I don't know that

2460
02:07:23,360 --> 02:07:27,440
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson ever knew of or maybe even had example

2461
02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:30,280
Speaker 3: of those things to know that that's what was expected.

2462
02:07:31,400 --> 02:07:34,680
Speaker 3: So he maybe wasn't a great leader, but that's not

2463
02:07:34,720 --> 02:07:36,640
Speaker 3: to say he can't be a great teammate. A great

2464
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:40,880
Speaker 3: teammate is one that sets the ego aside and just says, Okay,

2465
02:07:40,920 --> 02:07:42,480
Speaker 3: this is what you need me to do and what

2466
02:07:42,520 --> 02:07:44,240
Speaker 3: you're asking me to do, that's what I'm going to

2467
02:07:44,280 --> 02:07:48,520
Speaker 3: do now. Baller did go on to say one more thing,

2468
02:07:50,280 --> 02:07:53,920
Speaker 3: just in terms of adversity, overcoming adversity, which this team

2469
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:56,040
Speaker 3: had to do this year, which is part of how

2470
02:07:56,080 --> 02:07:58,839
Speaker 3: they ended up ending the year with seven straight losses.

2471
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:02,440
Speaker 5: They fought I mean, look, y'all go to games.

2472
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:03,960
Speaker 14: This.

2473
02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:08,560
Speaker 5: I thought the locker room staff organ they fought. There

2474
02:08:08,640 --> 02:08:12,080
Speaker 5: was no quit in this team at any point, even

2475
02:08:12,160 --> 02:08:16,480
Speaker 5: when even when we started having injuries, there was no quit.

2476
02:08:18,320 --> 02:08:21,360
Speaker 5: So and I do think, I mean it's funny because,

2477
02:08:21,360 --> 02:08:26,520
Speaker 5: like I mean, the toughness is a fair question. I

2478
02:08:26,560 --> 02:08:29,400
Speaker 5: think handling adversity I don't. I don't think we were

2479
02:08:29,400 --> 02:08:33,160
Speaker 5: non tough, that's for sure, but handling adversity better, I

2480
02:08:33,240 --> 02:08:35,160
Speaker 5: think that's a that's a better way to put it.

2481
02:08:36,120 --> 02:08:37,840
Speaker 2: They are tough right now.

2482
02:08:37,880 --> 02:08:39,440
Speaker 4: We learned that in the last two weeks. Shake.

2483
02:08:39,480 --> 02:08:40,320
Speaker 2: They are tough.

2484
02:08:41,160 --> 02:08:41,360
Speaker 6: Fight.

2485
02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:44,520
Speaker 3: I mean, they go in, they get successfully clean, they

2486
02:08:44,520 --> 02:08:46,280
Speaker 3: clean things up, they go out and they fight.

2487
02:08:46,360 --> 02:08:50,160
Speaker 2: They they we know Carly's pissed, that's right.

2488
02:08:50,240 --> 02:08:55,840
Speaker 3: Carly's pissed, Jake, not at the way they smell, but

2489
02:08:56,400 --> 02:08:58,400
Speaker 3: the lack of the result of the fight.

2490
02:08:58,520 --> 02:09:03,760
Speaker 2: Right, She's not happy. Hey, Joe, Jake joke too. Probably

2491
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:04,080
Speaker 2: for me.

2492
02:09:04,480 --> 02:09:07,600
Speaker 3: Chris Ballard is clearly trying to sell Anthony Richardson to

2493
02:09:07,640 --> 02:09:08,040
Speaker 3: the rest.

2494
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:09,200
Speaker 1: Of the league.

2495
02:09:09,480 --> 02:09:11,120
Speaker 4: That's a fair point too, That is.

2496
02:09:11,080 --> 02:09:13,440
Speaker 2: Fair, very fair.

2497
02:09:15,520 --> 02:09:18,920
Speaker 3: I just felt like there wasn't much that was said

2498
02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:22,280
Speaker 3: that we hadn't heard before. And the conclusion I would

2499
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:25,040
Speaker 3: have on the Chris Ballard press conference from today would

2500
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:29,680
Speaker 3: come from when James Boyd and I think we have

2501
02:09:29,760 --> 02:09:37,000
Speaker 3: it here, when James Boyd asked him to summarize, what

2502
02:09:37,200 --> 02:09:40,000
Speaker 3: have been the high points in his tenure?

2503
02:09:41,240 --> 02:09:42,000
Speaker 2: What have been the.

2504
02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:43,960
Speaker 3: Things that he really hangs his hat on, What are

2505
02:09:43,960 --> 02:09:46,200
Speaker 3: the things that he's most proud of? What are the

2506
02:09:46,280 --> 02:09:51,480
Speaker 3: things that have been the resume top thing for Chris

2507
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:54,400
Speaker 3: Ballard when he looks at his tenure as the general

2508
02:09:54,440 --> 02:09:55,280
Speaker 3: manager of the Colts.

2509
02:09:55,480 --> 02:09:57,800
Speaker 5: Look, I thought we started out pretty well under some

2510
02:09:57,800 --> 02:10:03,800
Speaker 5: pretty adverse conditions, you know, both in eighteen, uh you know,

2511
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:06,960
Speaker 5: the one in five start, the bounce back to go

2512
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:09,720
Speaker 5: to the playoffs, you know, beat a good Houston team,

2513
02:10:09,800 --> 02:10:12,600
Speaker 5: go and losing Kansas City, and then coming back in

2514
02:10:12,720 --> 02:10:18,120
Speaker 5: nineteen where we had the youngest team in football, lots

2515
02:10:18,160 --> 02:10:22,400
Speaker 5: of space under from guys under contract, a franchise quarterback,

2516
02:10:22,720 --> 02:10:25,800
Speaker 5: you know, and then when Andrew retired, you know, it

2517
02:10:25,880 --> 02:10:29,000
Speaker 5: kind of changed the dynamic. And then the rebound in

2518
02:10:29,080 --> 02:10:32,920
Speaker 5: twenty and have a really good football team. Twenty one

2519
02:10:33,080 --> 02:10:35,880
Speaker 5: I thought was every bit as good as those two

2520
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:38,320
Speaker 5: other teams. We were if you think back on it,

2521
02:10:38,840 --> 02:10:41,600
Speaker 5: we were nine and six. We had gone to Buffalo

2522
02:10:42,080 --> 02:10:44,960
Speaker 5: and beat a really good Buffalo team pretty hard. I

2523
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:48,080
Speaker 5: think we beat five playoff teams that year, and I

2524
02:10:48,120 --> 02:10:50,680
Speaker 5: think it was all kind of in a consecutive like

2525
02:10:50,760 --> 02:10:52,440
Speaker 5: after the one in four start, we got on a

2526
02:10:52,440 --> 02:10:56,600
Speaker 5: pretty good role. So I do think there are some

2527
02:10:56,680 --> 02:11:00,760
Speaker 5: positives to build upon. And if you look back to

2528
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:03,360
Speaker 5: twenty three, you know, we lose a tight game to

2529
02:11:03,480 --> 02:11:06,040
Speaker 5: Houston to win a division. I mean we've you know,

2530
02:11:06,120 --> 02:11:10,160
Speaker 5: get that. That's the things that like, I look back

2531
02:11:10,760 --> 02:11:13,680
Speaker 5: and some of the stuff we've had to overcome. But

2532
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:16,400
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, we've not finished. I mean,

2533
02:11:16,440 --> 02:11:19,520
Speaker 5: we've had these op we've In twenty twenty one, we're

2534
02:11:19,600 --> 02:11:21,560
Speaker 5: nine and six, we win one of the last two,

2535
02:11:21,680 --> 02:11:24,000
Speaker 5: we're in the playoffs, twenty three, win the last game,

2536
02:11:25,040 --> 02:11:28,040
Speaker 5: we win a division. You know, last year, at the

2537
02:11:28,160 --> 02:11:29,960
Speaker 5: end we go to New York and lay an egg.

2538
02:11:30,720 --> 02:11:33,080
Speaker 5: This year we have a chance, and you know, we

2539
02:11:33,160 --> 02:11:34,880
Speaker 5: fold lose. We're eight and two and lose seven in

2540
02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:35,360
Speaker 5: a row.

2541
02:11:35,600 --> 02:11:43,080
Speaker 3: Here's the thing I have with that. Ezekiel Elliott, Julio Jones,

2542
02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:53,880
Speaker 3: Drew Brees, JJ Watt, Shack, Leonard you know what those

2543
02:11:53,920 --> 02:11:58,440
Speaker 3: guys have in common. They were all pros in twenty eighteen.

2544
02:12:00,520 --> 02:12:03,960
Speaker 3: Now they're off raising families, doing TV whatever else. That's

2545
02:12:03,960 --> 02:12:07,440
Speaker 3: a lifetime ago in the NFL. And while I understand

2546
02:12:07,480 --> 02:12:11,640
Speaker 3: he was asked about the totality of his time, the

2547
02:12:11,800 --> 02:12:15,400
Speaker 3: challenge is that all of the good points that Chris

2548
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:18,360
Speaker 3: Ballard brought up, all of the positives, and all of

2549
02:12:18,360 --> 02:12:22,000
Speaker 3: the high marks in a league that stands for not

2550
02:12:22,120 --> 02:12:28,240
Speaker 3: for long, were forever ago, forever ago. There are guys

2551
02:12:28,240 --> 02:12:30,640
Speaker 3: playing in the NFL right now that all they know

2552
02:12:30,680 --> 02:12:32,360
Speaker 3: of Andrew Luck is that he's the like kind of

2553
02:12:32,360 --> 02:12:35,480
Speaker 3: goofy dude that was doing a sideline interview when Stanford

2554
02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:37,200
Speaker 3: got a fumble recovery for a touchdown.

2555
02:12:37,800 --> 02:12:38,200
Speaker 2: That's it.

2556
02:12:39,080 --> 02:12:40,520
Speaker 3: I mean, they know he was a player, don't get

2557
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:41,920
Speaker 3: me wrong, but I'm just saying, I mean, he's been

2558
02:12:41,960 --> 02:12:45,080
Speaker 3: out of league a while. It's time to move on

2559
02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:48,480
Speaker 3: from the eighteen nineteen and the accomplishments of twenty twenty.

2560
02:12:49,240 --> 02:12:53,520
Speaker 3: And that's a lifetime ago. And when it is a problem,

2561
02:12:53,880 --> 02:12:58,360
Speaker 3: it is a problem. If you are asked about significant

2562
02:12:58,800 --> 02:13:03,320
Speaker 3: high water high mark moments in the NFL for any franchise,

2563
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:06,040
Speaker 3: and you can't come up with something that's within the

2564
02:13:06,160 --> 02:13:12,520
Speaker 3: last era of like the contracts, the you know, a

2565
02:13:12,640 --> 02:13:16,280
Speaker 3: rookie contract level era within the last four years. That's

2566
02:13:16,320 --> 02:13:20,480
Speaker 3: a problem, and it's particularly a problem when it is

2567
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:27,800
Speaker 3: the same diagnosis year after year after year. That's the frustration,

2568
02:13:28,280 --> 02:13:34,680
Speaker 3: and that's the concern, simple as that. And if you

2569
02:13:34,760 --> 02:13:37,520
Speaker 3: want to know why people feel like the Colts needed

2570
02:13:37,560 --> 02:13:41,120
Speaker 3: to make a change in terms of their general manager

2571
02:13:41,320 --> 02:13:45,800
Speaker 3: or their leadership, it's simply because the expiration date seems

2572
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:48,760
Speaker 3: to come three weeks early on their seasons for the

2573
02:13:48,840 --> 02:13:53,080
Speaker 3: last four years. Not my words, his, and it's a

2574
02:13:53,160 --> 02:14:00,200
Speaker 3: seventeen week season. That's my issue. JMV has awrived. It

2575
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2579
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Speaker 14: John, you got a big show lined up. I assume

2580
02:14:13,920 --> 02:14:18,920
Speaker 14: I'm going to define juju for everybody. Do you still

2581
02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:23,960
Speaker 14: have the juju? I don't even want to begin on that.

2582
02:14:25,000 --> 02:14:25,600
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

2583
02:14:27,160 --> 02:14:32,360
Speaker 14: Have you been as good at as necessary at your job?

2584
02:14:33,240 --> 02:14:33,520
Speaker 2: Right?

2585
02:14:33,880 --> 02:14:36,800
Speaker 14: Who gives a damn about the juju or the motivation.

2586
02:14:37,120 --> 02:14:40,440
Speaker 14: What was meant by that, and what Chris Ballard said

2587
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:43,440
Speaker 14: earlier today was it, are you still motivated? Are you

2588
02:14:43,480 --> 02:14:46,160
Speaker 14: sure as hell should be motivated? Right, You're the most

2589
02:14:46,680 --> 02:14:49,320
Speaker 14: fortunate guy in the history of the NFL to this point,

2590
02:14:49,360 --> 02:14:49,920
Speaker 14: Did I swear?

2591
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:50,240
Speaker 2: John?

2592
02:14:50,920 --> 02:14:53,000
Speaker 3: I kid you not. We'd have to go back and

2593
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:55,360
Speaker 3: look at it. I thought he started last year's press

2594
02:14:55,360 --> 02:14:58,480
Speaker 3: conference by saying the ex listen, like the four out

2595
02:14:58,480 --> 02:15:01,919
Speaker 3: of the last five have been that way. So seriously,

2596
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:05,320
Speaker 3: you look at the landscape of the NFL. Where does

2597
02:15:05,320 --> 02:15:08,360
Speaker 3: he rank among the most fortunate that you can recollect?

2598
02:15:08,640 --> 02:15:09,120
Speaker 6: Oh?

2599
02:15:09,200 --> 02:15:13,440
Speaker 14: I mean, this guy's going into ten years with a

2600
02:15:13,680 --> 02:15:16,600
Speaker 14: playoff win, seventy eight and one.

2601
02:15:16,840 --> 02:15:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And again I go back to John when when

2602
02:15:19,560 --> 02:15:24,800
Speaker 3: he was asked what are the high mark moments, and

2603
02:15:24,880 --> 02:15:27,600
Speaker 3: everything he talked about was eighteen nineteen.

2604
02:15:27,640 --> 02:15:28,520
Speaker 2: And like twenty one.

2605
02:15:28,920 --> 02:15:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, like I the whole NFL not

2606
02:15:33,280 --> 02:15:34,560
Speaker 3: for long thing, no longer.

2607
02:15:34,720 --> 02:15:36,879
Speaker 14: It doesn't apply here, it does. It is like forever,

2608
02:15:38,160 --> 02:15:41,400
Speaker 14: no question, yeah, no doubt, forever.

2609
02:15:41,560 --> 02:15:42,520
Speaker 2: League Here.

2610
02:15:44,920 --> 02:15:47,920
Speaker 14: It's a head scratcher, it is. I mean, one of

2611
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:49,520
Speaker 14: these days we're just going to have to get used

2612
02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:55,040
Speaker 14: to it. But going into this year, it you just

2613
02:15:55,160 --> 02:15:58,400
Speaker 14: kind of wonder how you can continue, even knowing what

2614
02:15:58,560 --> 02:16:02,240
Speaker 14: you know, crossing your fingers and hoping that everything works out.

2615
02:16:02,640 --> 02:16:05,400
Speaker 2: But hey, you're gonna watch Miami and Old Miss later,

2616
02:16:05,960 --> 02:16:07,600
Speaker 2: just talking about it. I think Miami's defense.

2617
02:16:07,840 --> 02:16:10,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be by the way five until seven, Yes,

2618
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:12,120
Speaker 3: axles up at the garage.

2619
02:16:12,920 --> 02:16:14,880
Speaker 2: I will be there with Mickolture on our friends at ZINCX.

2620
02:16:14,920 --> 02:16:18,760
Speaker 3: Where exactly is It's in the garage there in the Bottleworks. Oh,

2621
02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:23,080
Speaker 3: I love Bottleworks. Love bottle Works. N know one Carrollton

2622
02:16:23,200 --> 02:16:26,160
Speaker 3: is technically the well done right there now? Yeah, I

2623
02:16:26,360 --> 02:16:29,160
Speaker 3: was thought, is the new Circle Center thing? I always

2624
02:16:29,200 --> 02:16:33,080
Speaker 3: thought the people that that bought and did bottle Works bought.

2625
02:16:33,360 --> 02:16:34,440
Speaker 2: I think that's right.

2626
02:16:34,520 --> 02:16:37,440
Speaker 14: And what are they calling it? Something odd? What's the

2627
02:16:37,480 --> 02:16:38,880
Speaker 14: odd name of what's it gonna be?

2628
02:16:38,920 --> 02:16:40,840
Speaker 2: Circle Center? Now yard something? Right?

2629
02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:48,560
Speaker 14: Yeah, motivational yard or that sounds right, multi fast in

2630
02:16:48,600 --> 02:16:49,120
Speaker 14: there something.

2631
02:16:49,800 --> 02:16:53,320
Speaker 3: Yes, But that's here's the thing that's gonna be like

2632
02:16:53,360 --> 02:16:55,600
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight or something, right, It's.

2633
02:16:55,480 --> 02:16:57,920
Speaker 2: Not gonna be four or yeah, there's no telling. Its

2634
02:16:57,959 --> 02:16:58,920
Speaker 2: ballad will still be there.

2635
02:16:59,000 --> 02:17:00,640
Speaker 4: Chris is that he's abound to.

2636
02:17:00,640 --> 02:17:05,360
Speaker 14: Be pres conference, there'll be drafting number one over twenty

2637
02:17:05,360 --> 02:17:05,800
Speaker 14: all them.

2638
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:08,360
Speaker 3: But at him, he just said, it's two years old.

2639
02:17:08,800 --> 02:17:10,600
Speaker 3: Eddie just reminded me it's two years away. I thought

2640
02:17:10,800 --> 02:17:13,160
Speaker 3: when they announced that that it was like a four

2641
02:17:13,240 --> 02:17:14,959
Speaker 3: or five year project, so that would be like thirty

2642
02:17:15,000 --> 02:17:18,679
Speaker 3: or thirty one. I mean, honestly, I think it's innovation innovation.

2643
02:17:18,440 --> 02:17:20,879
Speaker 4: Innovation station. You know, twenty twenty eight, twenty two years.

2644
02:17:21,080 --> 02:17:24,000
Speaker 4: It sounds like you'd be playing Cube an innovation slas.

2645
02:17:24,280 --> 02:17:26,120
Speaker 2: Let me clarify you are correct, Eddie.

2646
02:17:26,160 --> 02:17:28,280
Speaker 3: I was off in my math when I said twenty eight,

2647
02:17:28,400 --> 02:17:32,240
Speaker 3: because when they first announced it, I think they said

2648
02:17:32,560 --> 02:17:34,520
Speaker 3: it was going to be once they started a four

2649
02:17:34,560 --> 02:17:37,080
Speaker 3: to five year project and then announced that like twenty four,

2650
02:17:37,120 --> 02:17:39,120
Speaker 3: and so I thought, uh, but I think now it's

2651
02:17:39,160 --> 02:17:41,760
Speaker 3: like twenty thirty is before we see it. I think,

2652
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:44,960
Speaker 3: you know. In closing, who's on with me tomorrow? Fred Khalil?

2653
02:17:45,840 --> 02:17:49,600
Speaker 3: Really remember Fred Khalil? Which TV channel Lil saw him

2654
02:17:49,600 --> 02:17:52,320
Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl, the Ray Lewis Super Bowl and

2655
02:17:52,560 --> 02:17:55,480
Speaker 3: Super Bowl thirty four in Atlanta, the thirty Birds.

2656
02:17:56,400 --> 02:17:58,000
Speaker 2: No, that was it wasn't it was.

2657
02:17:58,720 --> 02:18:01,040
Speaker 3: No, That's when he got in trouble. Yeah, Titans Rams,

2658
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:03,920
Speaker 3: you got it right, Titans Rams and ray lew was

2659
02:18:03,920 --> 02:18:04,640
Speaker 3: got in trouble. Yeah.

2660
02:18:04,680 --> 02:18:06,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. Fred klo was down there, great dude, he's he's

2661
02:18:06,920 --> 02:18:10,240
Speaker 2: from Bloomington, right he well he I guess Dan Huber

2662
02:18:10,400 --> 02:18:10,840
Speaker 2: that you know.

2663
02:18:10,920 --> 02:18:13,199
Speaker 14: Dan Huber said that he was a walk on linebacker

2664
02:18:13,200 --> 02:18:15,320
Speaker 14: at iu SO and he's going to be down there

2665
02:18:15,360 --> 02:18:17,400
Speaker 14: going to the game. He's retired since down in Atlanta,

2666
02:18:17,400 --> 02:18:18,480
Speaker 14: but he's going to the game. And we're going to

2667
02:18:18,480 --> 02:18:19,840
Speaker 14: talk to Fred Khalil tomorrow.

2668
02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:21,960
Speaker 2: That's awesome. All right, John's up next.

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02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:24,000
Speaker 7: We will be back with you at noon tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I thank you for listening to Quearing Company.