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Speaker 2: It is Week five of the NFL and when you

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Speaker 2: look around the league right now, probably one of the

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Speaker 2: second biggest, a favorite. The Colts have been under Shanesdyke

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Speaker 2: and nearly a touch full touchdown here coming up in

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Speaker 2: week five. So get to Colts and Raiders one o'clock.

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Speaker 2: It's a Fox broadcast and we'll chat about that, but

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Speaker 2: obviously a lot of news items to get to. Eddie Garrison,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's nice to be back, thanks to Mark Dyton.

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Speaker 1: And you know, just for the time being that Monday

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Speaker 1: mornings are a little preoccupied, but I'll be back soon

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Speaker 1: on those Monday recap pies. I think Mark Dyton will

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Speaker 1: have one more with you, Kevin on next week and

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Speaker 1: then I'll be back in my permanent Monday rotation and

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Speaker 1: Wednesday rotation with you. Barring anything big happening. You know

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Speaker 1: that you for some reason we have to you have

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Speaker 2: But well, thank you Mark Ye and Eddie. You are

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Speaker 2: a busy man this time of year, so I appreciate

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Speaker 2: you always fitness in when you can. Let's start with honestly,

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Speaker 2: the Shaquille Leonard news. I can't imagine last time I've

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Speaker 2: saw that news item earlier today. Shaquille Lendard will retire

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Speaker 2: as a cult and he will bang the anvil coming

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Speaker 2: up on Sunday and we'll speak to the crowd at halftime.

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Speaker 2: I love this. You know, not everybody can go in

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Speaker 2: the Ring of honor, but I think Shaquille Leondard deserves

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Speaker 2: as due. There's been times in the media room where

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Speaker 2: we've just kind of chatted as colleagues, like, man, he

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Speaker 2: thing for a few weeks and that didn't go very well.

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Speaker 2: And now he's in South Carolina and you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you saw it, Eddie, but he was

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Speaker 2: actually a game I think it was Game three of

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Speaker 2: the fever Aces series, sitting right behind I think it

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Speaker 2: was Obie Topping right there in the second row with

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Speaker 2: indie scene, even though he calls South Carolina home. So

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Speaker 2: what an electric football player and what a unique football player,

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Speaker 2: the size, the wingspan.

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Speaker 1: Was he the most instinctual player you've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'll never forget the first play of

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Speaker 2: training Camphan he picks off Andrew Luck and Luck just

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Speaker 2: I don't even think he knew that a linebacker had

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Speaker 2: Eric Swope. He was targeting there at Grand Park. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Fame trajectory through four years. I mean it was three

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Speaker 2: I assay of Franklin today, I was like, can you

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Speaker 2: You know, they have the same draft class, and Zaire

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Speaker 2: Zaire admittedly says he has this snoring problem and he

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Speaker 1: Didn't you have a forced fumble in a sack in

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Speaker 2: I think there were a couple splash plays involved. Usually

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Speaker 2: with Leonard, there was always splash plays involved, and again, interceptions, fumble, sacks.

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Speaker 2: And he established himself from day one from South Carolina State.

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Speaker 2: coming up on some on a Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That game Kevin September sixteenth of twenty eighteen, nineteen

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Speaker 2: Special first ever NFL road game, and again he came

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Speaker 1: News items Possible number two KB yesterday, the coordinators met

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Speaker 1: Let's start there first, and then we'll get into Zavi

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he will have to earn it is the popular

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Speaker 2: and now the question becomes, Eddie, does the accountability need

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Speaker 2: He doesn't play special teams and Alex Pierce was out

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Speaker 2: and two, Eddie, Mitchell played fifteen snaps in week one,

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Speaker 2: Ashton Doolan is playing, so that would be what I

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Speaker 2: is do you feel like a repeatable offender in the

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Speaker 2: go one step further? And again, no, you're not cutting him, No,

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Speaker 1: I know Apple's and an orange year, but there wasn't really

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Speaker 1: But Jonathan Taylor didn't have to experience any of that.

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Speaker 2: No, And Jonathan Taylor's resume quite different exactly than Adie

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Speaker 2: Well, his catch percentage was a lot worse last year

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Speaker 2: Adie Mitchell was not on the same page with his

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Speaker 2: I'm not I don't necessarily think like one thousand percent,

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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson obviously was benched for actions we'll see or

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Speaker 2: of go back to what I said on Monday, Eddie.

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Speaker 2: I think what's really bothers some If I were Louis

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Speaker 2: much differently than I would about exaving Howard. Lou was

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Speaker 1: So and I didn't have an issue. I know we

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Speaker 2: And if I'm if I'm grading that film. I don't

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Speaker 2: his favorite player in the NFL. I mean it's I

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Speaker 2: think it's the motor that really really and the three

432
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Speaker 2: down ability from Crosby. There. You know, Patrick Graham, the

433
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Speaker 2: Raiders defensive coordinator was Daniel was opposite Daniel Jones with

434
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Speaker 2: the Giants in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. Jones

435
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Speaker 2: kind of saying today it's a little bit different though

436
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Speaker 2: in what he does. I should mention Mac Gonzalveez was

437
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Speaker 2: practicing today for the Colts. You know, I did think

438
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 2: the offensive line you kind of felt Dalton Tucker in

439
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Speaker 2: the starting lineup. Crosby primarily his opposite Braden Smith on

440
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Speaker 2: that right side. So if Tucker were to play, maybe

441
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Speaker 2: he would have lined up a little bit more inside

442
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Speaker 2: at times. But it looks like Macnzalvez. If you're practicing

443
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, it's usually a pretty good thing. So you know, again,

444
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 2: this is the second biggest favorite you've been under Stiching.

445
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 2: I don't know if that surprises anybody, but you know,

446
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 2: it kind of goes back to the Tennessee game, a

447
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 2: little bit of handle your business, play to year standard,

448
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 2: not the competition, and I think if you can get

449
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Speaker 2: to Gino in that offense in general early, you know

450
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Speaker 2: you're going to create you know, I watched the end

451
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,239
Speaker 2: of that Bears game. I mean three interceptions. I mean

452
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Speaker 2: those are some bad, bad picks that he had in

453
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Speaker 2: that game too. You could at least create a little

454
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Speaker 2: bit of you know, can you pick an in game

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Speaker 2: conversation as well?

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Speaker 1: Something to add. Bowers has been nursing a knee injury,

457
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Speaker 1: and ever since he got hurt in Week one, Bowers

458
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 1: has not looked like the Bowers of last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he hasn't really gone off off, so we'll see

460
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Speaker 2: what he's got in store here with a little tight

461
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Speaker 2: end match up here with Tyler One.

462
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Speaker 1: A guy to look out for. He's the guy that

463
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Speaker 1: stretches the field for them. He had three touchdowns against Washington.

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Speaker 1: I think Trey Tucker is a guy you cannot let

465
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Speaker 1: beat deep. That's the one guy. Yeah, he's a burner.

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Speaker 1: The other guys will beat you underneath and maybe with

467
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Speaker 1: some yak, but Troy Tucker is the burner, the guy

468
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Speaker 1: that can beat you over the top. Anything else. Jeremy Chin,

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Speaker 1: by the way, return yes, turning home.

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Speaker 2: Shout the Suluki's there, Southern illinoid jonah lah laylu Gosh,

471
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Speaker 2: that's much closer than I was gonna get. I think

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Speaker 2: you're right. Honestly, that sounded good. Seventh round pick of

473
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Speaker 2: the Colts last year, they caught him raiders claimed, and

474
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 2: he actually has been pretty productive as an interior guy.

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Speaker 1: So leads the team in sacks with three of them.

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Speaker 2: Some of the die hard Colts fans might recognize that

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Speaker 2: name there, so it should be a big day for

478
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Speaker 2: your d line. Lastly, I without Colton Miller, I think

479
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 2: the ability to really get after Gino Smith is there,

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Speaker 2: so we'll give our picks coming up. But I said,

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Speaker 2: we get into the twitter sphere, Eddie.

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Speaker 1: We've got a fun one later on Kevin that I

483
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Speaker 1: have serious questions about and you'll you'll you probably understand

484
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Speaker 1: which one it is. But starting with Craig Hey, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: given the Colts issues in the secondary, do you think

486
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Speaker 1: they're regretting letting Juju Brince go?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the thought crossed my mind. You know again, I

488
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 2: think in the grand scheming he was kept probably over Edwards.

489
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Speaker 2: You know, could you have gotten Edwards to the practice

490
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Speaker 2: squad obviously? Did you need to sign Xavier and Howard?

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Speaker 2: All those things I think are true. It's just you know,

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Speaker 2: clearly lou Ane Rumo was bullish on what Xavin Howard

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Speaker 2: had left in the take. So you know, one thing

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about to Eddie and had a buddy

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Speaker 2: mind reach out to me. And this is a little

496
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Speaker 2: bit more. In regards to the ten men on the field,

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Speaker 2: I think I talked about on Monday. I think it

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Speaker 2: was kind of Mike Hilton. It should have been on

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Speaker 2: the field. Lou and Rima did share that eleventh defender

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Speaker 2: would have doubled Puka, which would have been on the

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Speaker 2: bottom if you're looking at the TV copy, that would

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Speaker 2: have been on the bottom off the screen, on the

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Speaker 2: top of the screens where you had two too out

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Speaker 2: well make the play. And you know, Lou kind of thought, Okay,

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Speaker 2: if you're doubling to the bottom, that allows cambine him

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Speaker 2: to maybe shade over to two too out well. And

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe eighty eight is twenty eight or

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Speaker 2: thirty eight something like that, but I do think the

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Speaker 2: whole ten men on the field. That is a big,

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Speaker 2: big reason why when I heard in the spring carl

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Speaker 2: Ers Gordon explain why she wears a headset, it resonated

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Speaker 2: with me so much because that is a moment that

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Speaker 2: I would want to hear the raw motions play out. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would want to know exactly who screwed? Is this

515
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Speaker 2: simply Hey, the coaching intern up in the booth, his

516
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Speaker 2: job to count to eleven on every play miscounted?

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Speaker 1: Was it?

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Speaker 2: You know, Hilton was an equipment issue that didn't get

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Speaker 2: Hilton on the field in time, like because again, if

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Speaker 2: you're telling Hilton that he's gonna double, that's a little

521
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Speaker 2: bit of a wrinkle. So Eddie, I would assume, like

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Speaker 2: if you're lou An Rumo and I'm Mike Hilton, I

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Speaker 2: would think if you're lou right before the drive starts,

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Speaker 2: you want your arm around me, saying now, Mike, you've

525
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Speaker 2: only been there for a week. This is the wrinkle

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Speaker 2: we want to do. You know, if Pooka line's up here,

527
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Speaker 2: you shade here. If Pooka lines up there, you shade

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Speaker 2: he Like it would almost be of those like I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna put you on the field last, but like kind

530
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Speaker 2: of slap you on the butt before you go out there,

531
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Speaker 2: of like hey man, final instructions.

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Speaker 1: Here you go.

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Speaker 2: So again, you know, it is I think the reason

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Speaker 2: why Carli Ersa Gordon would want to be on the headset.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Shane Second has done a ton of

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Speaker 2: good here in the first four weeks, a ton it

537
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Speaker 2: is wild. We're talking about two just massive elementary type

538
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Speaker 2: of mistakes though with the ten men, and go back

539
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Speaker 2: to the.

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Speaker 1: End of the Denver game. You talk about accountability. I

541
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Speaker 1: heard what Shane had to say today. It's just about

542
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Speaker 1: like your actions versus your words, Like who's being held

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Speaker 1: accountable for that? Right?

544
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Speaker 2: And again where is like words are enough?

545
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Speaker 1: Because then where is it.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, you need actions on top of words.

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Speaker 2: Yeah again, Anthony richardson being benched or obviously coaching accountability

548
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Speaker 2: is weird?

549
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: Is odd?

550
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, certainly can fire a coach, but

551
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Speaker 2: it's not like Lu and Rimo. You're gonna sit for

552
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Speaker 2: the next you know, for the first quarter. We're gonna

553
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Speaker 2: let you know, Charlie Partridge call the plays or Chris

554
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Speaker 2: hewittt call the plays here.

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Speaker 1: So because at the end of the day, when you

556
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Speaker 1: have t on the field like that, that comes down

557
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: to everybody. Oh, coaches on the field, players on the field,

558
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: like the safeties for not paying attention and uh, you

559
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: know people up top in the press box.

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00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: Oh wait all of it? And again, is that guy

561
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: then radioing down to Lou and saying, hey, I'm only

562
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Speaker 2: seeing ten And then is Lou finding Shane as Shane

563
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: on the headset the offensive drive just ended. Is there

564
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Speaker 2: any sort of aspect of Shane in the back of

565
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Speaker 2: his mind saying okay, let me get my ducks in

566
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Speaker 2: order if we need one more drive and maybe for

567
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 2: a play or two, he's not maybe totally paying attention

568
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: to what the defense is doing out there. After a punt,

569
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Speaker 2: So you know again, I think carl Ersa Gordon makes

570
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: total sense what she's doing, even though if people are,

571
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: you know, frustrated by the optic nature to it.

572
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: Colt's practice report is out. Zay Or Franklin did not

573
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Speaker 1: participate with an ankle injury, growing injury for Tyler Goodson,

574
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: personal reasons for Xavie and Howard Kenny Moore with that

575
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: achilles injury, do not participate. Daniel Scott with a knee injury,

576
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Speaker 1: do not participate. Full spend for Alec Pierce as he's

577
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: exiting or attempting to exit the concussion protocol in a

578
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: limited participant today with that two injury was Matt Gonzolvez

579
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Speaker 1: Big Bama's next after Sunday's game. Do you expect or

580
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: think Alec Pearce's price to go up when you think

581
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Speaker 1: about resigning him after seeing what ad Mitchell cost the

582
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Speaker 1: Colts with him having some maturity issues. Yeah, yeah, I

583
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Speaker 1: guess I'd say this. I think Gamer Zonne's the first

584
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: domino to what you're going to do financially. Now you

585
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: know what is Pierce want.

586
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: I think I've told you guys in this podcast before

587
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: the Colts turned down a second round pick for Pierce

588
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: back in the spring. What does that tell me? It

589
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: tells me the NFL world thinks pretty highly of Ali Pierce.

590
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: So I think the free agency money will be significant

591
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Speaker 2: if Alec Pieris wants to do that. Now, you know,

592
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: are you giving Jones a long term deal? Then do

593
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: you slap the tag on Alec Pierce? Will that be

594
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: something you would do right now? Quidy pay doesn't look

595
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: like a guy that I think necessarily deserves a second contract,

596
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: and it cross anything does, so you know, I'm sure

597
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm forgetting some others that are due extensions. You know,

598
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: Pierce has been a Midwest guy's whole life, Chicago suburbs, Cincinnati, Colt.

599
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: You know, I think he enjoys the old Midwest golf

600
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: experience here in the India area. So I'm not acting

601
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: like he wants to sprint out he here, But obviously

602
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: his quarterback play maybe hasn't played his strengths that much.

603
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I guess answer the question, there

604
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: is part of that that you know, they aren't like

605
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: minded players, but there are some similarities to their skill sets.

606
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: And you know, how much do you truly truly trust

607
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: you know where he is at from a hey, let's

608
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: pass the torch there. But again, the finances come so

609
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: much of it is just rooted. What the Daniel Jones

610
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: contract extension, if one is coming, looks.

611
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, just all the roster mechanics with it too,

612
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: because just a huge.

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Speaker 2: Domino effect, like when's the last time the Colts will

614
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: paid a quarterback?

615
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

616
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: Paid one?

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00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: You know Philip Rivers? Does that count?

618
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe WinCE, but yeah, I mean Rivers well and

619
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: again what Rivers is? What a two year deal?

620
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

621
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I gotta go back to the well

622
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Speaker 2: and I'm not saying, you know, Jones going to get

623
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Speaker 2: that type of contract. But still.

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Speaker 1: Additionally, uh, where was I going with this? Oh? One

625
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: of the players that I mean, he's going to be

626
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: entering his final year next year. But Quentin Nelson would

627
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: be another one of those extensions.

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Speaker 2: You guys do an extension?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

630
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Now that is that is something to definitely

631
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: keep a keep an eye on as well.

632
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Speaker 1: All right, now, Kevin, you know who I work with

633
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Speaker 1: from noon to three Monday through Friday.

634
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Yeah, Jake querryhos that are not in the indie market.

635
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: And if you listen to said program on ninety three

636
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Speaker 1: five and want to and fire the fan. Uh, you'll

637
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: know that there's an accent that he does in particular

638
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Speaker 1: that is god awful.

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00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: Is a British accent?

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Speaker 1: Uh huh terrible? So is this him British Jake with

641
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: this question?

642
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love for that person to be trolling Jake.

643
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: That would be excellent.

644
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: British Jake says. I've loved what this team is with

645
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, and it's awesome to watch a consistent offense.

646
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: But I think this game showed that he will always

647
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Speaker 1: be at least a step below the big name guys.

648
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Speaker 1: Watching him run from guys and just not have the

649
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: arm to throw the deep ball is just slightly disheartening.

650
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: Really makes me wish Anthony Richardson could just figure it

651
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: out how to be more consistent. What I do love

652
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: about Daniel Jones, and I think what will make him

653
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: stick in the league for a while, is he loves

654
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: football and is a genuine nerd for it, just like

655
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: Shane Steiken. I'm slightly worried though, that we finished this

656
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: season in a position where it makes sense to extend him.

657
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: Do you think you can get to the big game

658
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: with a guy like Jones, or does it just leave

659
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: us in an upper quartile purgatory nice reference British Jake.

660
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot there, and a lot that I

661
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: think will potentially be debated at some point. You know,

662
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: I think it's one of the hardest decisions for a

663
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: franchise of striving for more at the most important position

664
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: in sports, but also wanting to make sure that you're

665
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 2: not totally letting go of the rope either. You know,

666
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: it's like, well, what about one more year of Alex Smith?

667
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: What about one more year Jared Goff? What about one

668
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: more year of Ryan Tannehill? One more year beggar? You know,

669
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: like all of these is like yeah, no, no, no,

670
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: like you know what the alternatives are, and then vice versa, Hey,

671
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: is there still a ceiling here? You know? Part of

672
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: me like right now sits in the Daniel Jones experiment, like, yeah,

673
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: I think you bring him back, But I also am

674
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 2: not slamming the door shut on any sort of drafted

675
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: quarterback because I do think that can offer even more

676
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: for your franchise. And again, we're just so early in

677
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: the Jones sample size, Like was Sunday the worst game

678
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: we're going to see see from right.

679
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: Or is that just like the start of a decline.

680
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: I mean, if Sunday is going to be his floor,

681
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: holy sign yourself up for it, right, and you're really

682
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: picking right, you know with Jones right now? I was like, well,

683
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: if you look at the you know, the four quarters

684
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: of action, where has he been his you know, least consistent.

685
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: It is the fourth quarter? You know, is that just

686
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: a small sample size? Is there something there? Obviously two

687
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: of those fourth quarters he barely even through the football

688
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: or certainly didn't have very meaningful throws in that. And

689
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: you know, to your point, Jake, you know, I thought

690
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: Shane Saking kind of took British Jake. British Ake kind

691
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: of took the ball out of his hands in week two.

692
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: You know, Sunday, I don't necessarily think that was at

693
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: play there, but you know, obviously in his moment to

694
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: try and deliver that drive didn't get very far. So yeah,

695
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: it's just such a fascinating debate and difficult one like

696
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: does this just move you from purgatory to British Jake's

697
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: phrase upper quartile of purgatory? Yeah, And again it's not

698
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: like the draft guarantees anything either, But that's you know

699
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 2: how I believe that the franchise quarterback is most likely

700
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: to be acquired and also help you out from a

701
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: financial sense and a true building around that guy for

702
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: years to come.

703
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: Just kind of reminds me of two situations. One, obviously,

704
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: the easy one is Minnesota from last year with Sam Darnold.

705
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 1: Number two is the Miami Dolphins with Tua right.

706
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: I mean, those are examples of a yeah, present day

707
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: of where you're at right now, And you know, I

708
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: guess Gino Smith and Seattle if you want to look

709
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: at a you know, present cult opponent here. So these

710
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: are questions that I understand them, and I love fielding

711
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: any and all questions. But the beauty of it is

712
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 2: we should and hopefully we'll get more clarity as thirteen

713
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 2: more games play out, fourteen more games play out.

714
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: Two questions left. Tanner is next. It seems like people

715
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: are already dog piling on Daniel Jones for this game.

716
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: He was never going to go all year without throwing

717
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: a pick, and the last drive was just desperation, I

718
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: think for someone who is missing his deep threat and

719
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: a starter on the line, he did pretty well against

720
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: the second best team in the NFC.

721
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah again, like is this his floor? Then? Hell yeah,

722
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: you sign up with that. You know I threw out

723
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: a grade Eddie on Sunday. Okay, how do you think

724
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones played? I said a C minus.

725
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: Right to passing grade.

726
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: Oh yes, indeed it is a passing grade. I did

727
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 2: think he bounced back. You know, there was a throw.

728
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: I forget who he made it. To me, it was

729
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: Warren the throw, the first throw he made right after

730
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: the first interception. I was like, damn, that's not like, hey,

731
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 2: I want the keys of the car and I want

732
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: to drive and you know, rush hour traffic. That was

733
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: like a nice throw to him. But yes, you know

734
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: he's missing us. You know he's missing one of his

735
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: deep threats. As you point out, he's missing a starter

736
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: on the old line again, one of the better defenses

737
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: in the NFC. Now, like, these tests are part of

738
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 2: what separates these quarterbacks.

739
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

740
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: Can you lift the ship? That's you know, that is

741
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: so much of what playing that position is about. At

742
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: some point, you know, you've got to be the guy.

743
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: You know, you can't pay everybody. Alec Pierce, we're talking

744
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: about maybe not being able to pay him, and then

745
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: what happens when Pittman's contract comes up?

746
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:40,479
Speaker 1: Josh?

747
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: What happens when Josh downs and then Jonathan Taylor and

748
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: so like? At some point that quarterback has got to

749
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: take some skill guys that eh, you don't really know

750
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: about and lift them. So I understand what you're saying, Tanner,

751
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 2: But again, this is what happens when you start tearing

752
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: these quarterbacks out and the line is just so fine,

753
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 2: so fine between it. But hey, it's October first, we

754
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: got plenty of more reps to evaluate. Now.

755
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: You said ship right, ship correct?

756
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: Not hold your tongue and say ship or hold your

757
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: tongue and say apple what what?

758
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: Uh? What happens when you do that?

759
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: I used to do that when I was Younger're just

760
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: so immature.

761
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar. What is this?

762
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: Just so mature? We got one more?

763
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: Can you ennite me? Can you explain to me?

764
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: You know this is a rated podcast of all versions.

765
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: Why I don't want that capital EU with the box

766
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: around it for this podcast?

767
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: I don't think that mean explicit?

768
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: Have I cussed so far on this podcast?

769
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: Not today? You held yourself back, you started and stopped.

770
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: Proud of you thank you.

771
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: Now.

772
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: I made sure earlier when you said Jake to reference

773
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: British Jake, because we have another question from another Jake.

774
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: Now is American Ja? Is this Jake Querry? Is this

775
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: Irish Jake? Is this?

776
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 2: What number of podcasts?

777
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: Is this?

778
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: Three hundred and.

779
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: Something, five hundred and fifty nine?

780
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: Where are that many? I'm going to go out on

781
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: a lemon and say, Jake Querry is not listening to

782
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: oon minute of the five hundred fifty nine.

783
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: Podcas You're probably right. So with whatever listener Jacob from

784
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: wherever it is that he listens, and however he listens,

785
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: we thank you. Jack's question is do we anticipate Jalen

786
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: Jones to take Xavian Howard snaps when he comes back

787
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: from injured reserve? At this point, I trust Jones more

788
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: than Howard or am I wrong that Jones is eligible

789
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: to return. Jones is not eligible to return this week

790
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: since that injury happened week number one. He asked him

791
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: as four weeks, so this is the fourth and final week.

792
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: He is eligible to return next week from that hamstring injury.

793
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: But Kevin, like we talked about it earlier with Xavian

794
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: Howard and the Daniel Jones or not Daniel Jones. The

795
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: Jalen Jones situation is that Jones was listed on the

796
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: job start behind Howard from the moment he got here.

797
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: And also what got Lou interim up fired and Cincinnati

798
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: is starting to surface already through four weeks here in Indianapolis,

799
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: and the fact that he much rather play the guys

800
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: he likes and the guys that have experienced versus the

801
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: guys that you draft to try to develop to become,

802
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, starters in the NFL. Like look at Cincinnati

803
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: for example, Like they have so much this invested talent

804
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: and players on the defensive side of the football, and

805
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: they all got stuck behind dudes, so they didn't get

806
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: to play early enough to develop and go through the

807
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: learning the learning curves and the growing pains, And now

808
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: they're going through it now and it's kind of set

809
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: them back on that side of the football.

810
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: Are you a Lou guy or are you not a

811
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: Lou guy?

812
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: Asking me?

813
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 2: We've said that quite often here over the last few months.

814
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: You know, that's how we still have to start looking

815
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 2: at this defensive personnel. And I would say it's pretty

816
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: clear that Lou draws a line with his guys and

817
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: some other guys, and I would agree with you, Eddie,

818
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: Jalen Jones didn't seem to be too favorable under this

819
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: new defensive staff. It kind of confuses me because I

820
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: think Daniel Jones has been a nice corner in this league.

821
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: And again, what I've said about Jones quite often is

822
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: not just a nice corner for being a seventh round pick.

823
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: I think legitimately a nice outside corner that given this

824
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: current situation, a healthy Jalen Jones would start easily in

825
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: my eyes with this group here. So again for the

826
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: time being, and we'll say, you know, obviously Xavion Howard

827
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: for those that missed Eddie's injury report earlier, personal reasons

828
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: why he was missing. Hopefully everything's okay with his family.

829
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: We'll see what his status looks like for the rest

830
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: of the week. You know, you could go with Javerius Ward,

831
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: Makai Blackman, and Mike Hilton. Assuming Kenny Moore is gonna miss,

832
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: you could try johnthan Edwards. Chris la Mon's is on

833
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: the practice squad. I'd rather have Kenny Moore play outside

834
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: than Xaving Howard. Now again, doesn't look like Kenny's gonna

835
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: play this week. But you know those are your other

836
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: options here. So I would say, yes, Jake, he should,

837
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 2: but I don't think you will. And then also with Jones,

838
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: is he gonna need multiple weeks of practice? Remember the

839
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 2: hamstring has now been twice in the last two months.

840
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: I probably would think it's gonna take multiple weeks. You know,

841
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: he hasn't been out for a full month, but still

842
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: that could be something that you have to look at.

843
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: Okay, Kevin prediction time.

844
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go thirty twenty Colton thirty twenty against six

845
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: and a half point favorites. I think they can attack

846
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: that offensive line and force Geno into some of the

847
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: gifts he's given the other teams this season. I do think,

848
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: you know, a guy like gent, I mean tackling for

849
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: this team. I don't know what to think of the

850
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: run defense right now. Makes me a little uneasy for

851
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: the Colts. But still, you know, banged up Raiders offensive line,

852
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: proper attention to Crosby thirty twenty Colts.

853
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can. The Colts stopped the RAND to put

854
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: them in third and longs and you know, get off

855
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: the field, you know, and after a couple of plays

856
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: versus you know potentially Vegas having these long sustained drives

857
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: taking a lot of time off the clock. That'll be

858
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: interesting to watch on Sunday. And I am going Colts

859
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: as well. What'd you say thirty twenty thirty twenty? Yes?

860
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: How you got him getting thirty?

861
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: Uh? What three? Spencer Shrader field goals?

862
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: Ten? Yeah? Ton of them? Well, I know of ten?

863
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: Boy, I know the red zone has been bad.

864
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's been that bad. So I'll

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Speaker 1: go cool.

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Speaker 2: Imagine watching a game that kick ten field goals? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what's the NFL record? To have a question, I'll go

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Speaker 2: Colts thirty three? Uh? Eleven field goals?

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Speaker 1: Is that how they're going to get thirty three? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Look at this great math and let me let me

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Speaker 1: look this up. You can stall talk about whatever.

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Speaker 2: I got a run, brother, you you look that up

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Speaker 2: and lighten us. On next week's podcast eight, I'm gona

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Speaker 2: assume it is eight field goals. SE's Edda Garrison, I'm

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Speaker 2: Kevin Bow and everybody have a great, great week or

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Speaker 2: recap it coming up on Monday. Colts Raiders in Week

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Speaker 2: five