1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: So while the American press, or while the social media 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: loons only want to talk about Epstein, and of course 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: is the conversation regarding Russia, Russia and Russia, there are 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: other subjects at play, like Democrats are trying to figure 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: out how to elect a communist nay Islamist. Wait, weirdly 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: it could be both things at the same time in 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: my view in New York and that mayor's race. And 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: yet there are Democrats saying, dear Lord, this is the 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: most serious problem with the party. We can't have this. Meanwhile, 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: you go to the Middle East, where President Trump has 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: had some massive successes. Israel I believe, has had massive 12 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: successes in resetting a landscape. One of those places where 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: the landscape was possibly being reset with Syria, until of course, 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: they decided they were going to side with going after 15 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: the Druiz population. Never mind what might be happening to Christians. 16 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: The world is happening all around us, and there are 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: these places that we need to be focusing on and 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: not having our focus taken away. Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: good to be with you. Noah Roffman joins me right 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: now of National Review. He is the author of the 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: rise of the New Puritans, fighting back against the progressives, 22 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: war on fun and unjust social justice, and the unmaking 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: of America. Both of those available at Amazon dot Com 24 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 1: or wherever fine books are sold. I have been discussing, 25 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: in kind of piecemeal parts, Noah, the situation in Syria, 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: the group that took over this Al kaitoff shoot Al Noshra, 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: getting Bashar al Assad out of office. He's I think 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: right now, living in Moscow somewhere, and how I would 29 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: have no thought that this group was a group that 30 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: would bring Syria to a better place. But there was 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: a lot of cooperation with the United States, allowing for 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: airspace to be utilized by the Israelis and dealing with Iran. 33 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: And then you have this very odd moment where Israel 34 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: is now bombing Damascus because of attacks on the dri 35 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: Huz community, the Drus who are now putting up Israeli 36 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: flags and begging Israel in many cases to absorb them 37 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: into Israel. You write this as Netanyahoo and Trump's irreconcilable 38 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: differences over Syria. Take me through the story and where 39 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: you think we're at. 40 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, as I see it from the perspective of Washington, 41 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: which is all I can manage because I am an 42 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 2: American and located in America, and a lot of this 43 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: begins to delve into the rat's nest of ethnic politics 44 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: in the Levant. We're talking about ethnic transgenerational grievances between 45 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: the Kurds and the Arabs, and the Zidis and the Alloyites, 46 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: and the Syrians and the Drus And if you have 47 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: a firm grasp on that, God bless you, I don't. 48 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people who don't study 49 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: this region as a career could possibly manage to say 50 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: that they have their hands wrapped around this dynamic. And 51 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 2: it's a shifting one, so it's not exactly something you 52 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: can put your hands on. That being said Washington, there 53 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: was over the course of the last six months since 54 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: the Asade regime fell, I believe in November December, there 55 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: has been a debate within the Trump administration over how 56 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: to approach the post Aside regime in Syria. There was 57 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: a faction that was a little more leery of this, 58 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: the HTS, which is this Turkish off suit evolved out 59 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: of Al Nisra, which evolved out of al Qaeda. We're 60 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: talking about various permutations from this terrorist regime, and they said, listen, 61 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 2: this is a terrorist regime. He's pretty much the same 62 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: guy he always was, Al Jelani now al shahar Is 63 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: and head of this government, and we should be very 64 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: cautious about engaging with it. Indeed, we probably shouldn't engage 65 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: with it at all. And then there was another camp, 66 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: more or less Marco Rubio, Tim Walls, not Tim Wolves, 67 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: Mike Walls when he was NSA, saying listen, this is 68 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: the guy's talking the talk and walking the walk. I mean, 69 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: he's kicked out every Iranian asset in that country which 70 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: advances our interests. He's leaning into Europe looking for foreign 71 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: direct events investment, which advances our interests. These are a 72 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: lot of overtures and we should respond to them because 73 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: we would like to usher and guide this country into 74 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: being a more responsible member of the international community, and 75 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: perhaps even normalizing relations with Israel, which was on the 76 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: table not too long ago. It may not be anymore 77 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: because there has been a lot of ethnic conflict in 78 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: the south of Syria where Israel maintains a little sliver 79 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: of land which was formerly unoccupied. It's still un occupied, 80 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: but the IDF does the policing around it, and there 81 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: were attacks on DRUS. Now, some of those were militia members, 82 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: some of those are not affiliated with the government, but 83 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: according to observatories UK based observatories of the conflict in Syria, 84 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: the government doesn't have its hands clean here, not necessarily 85 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 2: that it could be involved in some of these massacres 86 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: of DRUS. We've had ongoing street fighting in South Syria 87 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: for the better part of the last several months. So Israel, 88 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: which has a significant Jrwis population in the Golan Heights 89 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: and in this little strip of land that they're occupying, 90 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: some of whom actually want to join the Israeli Social Compact, 91 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 2: not all, but some enough. They're under attack, and Israel 92 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 2: defended the drewis that we're under attack both in that 93 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: area with strikes on militia members and Syrian government forces 94 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: such as they are the provisional government, and a strike 95 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: a very demonstrative and theatrical strike on the Syrian Defense 96 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: Intelligence Agency or Defense Defense Agency ministry rather inside Damascus. 97 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: So that's where we're at today. The Israeli government shares 98 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: the Tulsa Gabbard outlook. They believe that this guy is 99 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 2: just a terrorist and a suit Washington does not. Washington 100 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: has much higher ambitions for this part of the world 101 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: than for this government and doesn't seem inclined to wash 102 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 2: its hands of it. So it seems like we have 103 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: an actual reel for the first time, regardless of what 104 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: the restrainers and the administration tell reporters, regardless of what 105 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: Democrats say, regardless of what Jerusalem, the sources in Jerusalem 106 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: and Washington say about Israel's in the US relationship. It 107 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: has been very, very close until this moment, at which 108 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: point we have a reconcilable strategic differences about where we 109 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: want this region to go, they come to a head. 110 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: I want to make sure we're clear about that. And 111 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: your point is well taken. The moves from Israel on 112 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: Damascus was to stop militants from working with the Bedouins, 113 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: to you know, to put an end to slaughtering the 114 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: drus outright, and the Drews do see Israel as the 115 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: potential savior, and absolutely I agree that. You know, old 116 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: thoughts die hard, and there are many reasons why they 117 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't die at all. Regarding whether you could trust this 118 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: al Qaeda offshoot to be the leadership of Syria and 119 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: somehow think that they're going to be your friend. But 120 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: the ir irreconcilable difference, as you write it, is that, 121 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: in your view, just a bit of word play, there's 122 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: a difference in strategy. Agreed, But why do we come 123 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: to the idea of irreconcilable. 124 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: I just don't know how it's going to be worked out. 125 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: So Tombarok, who is the President's ambassador to Turkey and 126 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: an informal ambassador to this new regime in Syria, which 127 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: is functionally a Turkish project, he said in a rather 128 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 2: revealing interview that the Israeli conception of Syria, which it 129 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: has ample reason to have assembled over the course the 130 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: last fifty years, is that a strong united Arab state 131 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: is not in Israel's interest, that anything south of Damascus 132 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: should not necessarily be the one hundred percent total control 133 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: of this regime because they just can't trust it. They've 134 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: never been able to trust the various act and state 135 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: and non state actors that populate this part of the world. 136 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: So they will never allow for a contiguous, whole, sovereign 137 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: Syria to emerge. And that's not in America's interest, not, 138 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: according to Tom Barack, that they want to see a competent, capable, 139 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: sovereign government in control of the whole of Syria in 140 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: order to advance its interests in a much more stable region, 141 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: and preferably one in which Syria has normalized relations, not 142 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: just with it's Arab partners and it's she I partners 143 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 2: are in the region, but also it's really that's their vision, 144 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: that's their aspiration, and it's a fine aspiration, but it's 145 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 2: when I think the security establishment in the net nyahou 146 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: government does not share and doesn't believe it is feasible. 147 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: So I don't think those two visions are reconcilable. 148 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: Talking to Noah Rothman of National Review, the piece Netanyahu 149 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: and Trump's irreconcilable differences over Syria. You can get that 150 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: at National Review dot com. That's one story. The second 151 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: story brings us back to the US. Two revealing jokes 152 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: highlight the Democrats' internal struggles, and then it's a picture 153 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: of Rama Manuel, the former chief of staff of Barack Obama, 154 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: and Zaron Mamdani, the communist Islamist who might be very 155 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: well the next mayor of New York. I think the 156 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: photos with the headline was the joke, Like I thought 157 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: that was well done and well played. But this very 158 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: much seems like a story when we talk about Mamdani, 159 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: who I've had people tell me, oh, there's a possibility 160 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: Cuomo could do this, and Eric Adams could do that. 161 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: And someone mentioned Curtis Lee, whether Republican nominee, and I 162 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: laughed out loud. I don't see how Mamdani does not 163 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: become the mayor of New York. But this, while they 164 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: may be him parading him around d C for fundraisers, 165 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: there does seem to be a very non spoken about 166 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: divide within the Democratic Party about what kind of people 167 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: they want to be in, who they want to attract. 168 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: Talk to me about how rama Manuel plays in this conversation. 169 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that one was The pieces on what I 170 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: said were too revealing jokes that weren't really jokes, but 171 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: are indicative of the kind of conditions that are prevailing 172 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party today. Emmanuel was on Megan Kelly's 173 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 2: show and she asked him some rather pointed questions about 174 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: gender politics. Could men and women player, could men play 175 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: in women's sports? Can men become women? All those sort 176 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: of things to which a man very smartly, knowing his audience, 177 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: knowing his interlock eutter didn't. Hedge gave him rather staccato, 178 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: one word answers no. Maybe sometimes there was a little 179 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: bit of hesitation, but it was generally no. And Kelly 180 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: was impressed. She goes, you know what was so hard 181 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: about that, and Epstein replies, well, because now I'm going 182 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 2: to go into the witness protection program. Hahah. But there's 183 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: truth to it, right. The truth to that is that 184 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 2: there is menace abroad, There is teasede to this regime, 185 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: that there is enforcement, ruthless enforcement of gender identity shibalists 186 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: to which the Democratic Party subscribes that no one else, 187 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: And that's the sort of thing the consultant class is 188 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: trying to break the Democratic Party out of of which 189 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 2: Emmanuel is representative. But his confession there in that very 190 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 2: you know, humorous side is that you know, this is 191 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: an uphill battle because the forces are rayed against it 192 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: are real and have real teeth and are going to 193 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 2: come after me. The humor is in the exaggeration of 194 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 2: the nature of the threat, but the threat is real. 195 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: And the other joke comes from Zoramumdani, a resurfaced video 196 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: of his address to the Democratic Socialists invention of Democratic Socialists, 197 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: and it sounds like the Twelfth Party Congress, like it 198 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: is the Presidium of the Soviet Union in this thing. 199 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: But in it he's introducing a failed candidate for New 200 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: York City Council and he says, if you don't clap 201 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: for this guy, quote, you're a Zionist. The joke did 202 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: not land very well, and he said, you don't have 203 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: to clap. You know, this is a joke. He got 204 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: clapped her as a consolation prize. But the joke is 205 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 2: also revealing. It's revealing of the degree to which the 206 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: Zionist in that construction is the bad guy, the holy, irredeemable, 207 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: ideologically captured, blinkered individual with whom you cannot negotiate. That's 208 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: in Mount Donnie's worldview. And to your point earlier, when 209 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: you had noted that there is a little bit of 210 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: tension within this I think Emmanuel is representative of that tension, 211 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: in part because he's a Zionist, his father's in Israeli. 212 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: But there's also some pushback against Mamdani within the Democratic 213 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: Party that has become rather vocal of late yesterday, Pennsylvania 214 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: Governor Joshapiro came out with a pretty strong rebuke of 215 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 2: Mamdani and his refusal to condemn Hamas, saying that this leaves, 216 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: you know, creates the conditions in which, you know, extreme 217 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: actors can rise and engage in these stabilizing behaviors and 218 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 2: violent behaviors. And in a city New York City, in 219 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: which there was an one hundred and ten percent increase 220 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: in anti Semitic incidences in twenty twenty three, followed by 221 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: a forty five percent increase over that in twenty twenty four, 222 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 2: there's real apprehension in this city over anti semitism and 223 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 2: anti Semitic violence. And it's the sort of thing that 224 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: Shapiro is right to give voice too. There's a significant 225 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: democratic constituency for that message. 226 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, but. 227 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: Again there's teeth. You know, there's teeth. There's a lot 228 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: of puzz pressure, social pressure on Democrats to avoid saying 229 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: this much out. 230 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: Loud, and well, I still got a minute with you. 231 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: I think that's the part that more struck me here, 232 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: you know, the conversation about the jokes. Notwithstanding it's that 233 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: these are it's don't get me wrong, Well, rom Emmanuel 234 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: is a progressive. Absolutely never let a crisis go to waste, 235 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: and he followed that up with because it allows you 236 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: to do things you normally couldn't do. He was very 237 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: clear about what he meant when he engaged that quote, 238 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: and people always forget the second part, but it is 239 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: part and parcel of the how fast you're moving to 240 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: the left that Mamdani is the full recognition of their progressive, 241 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: nake communist desires, and rama Manuel is still in the 242 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: you know, there's an America here that we're going to 243 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: need their votes to get on much larger issues. And 244 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: that's where I kind of kind of took it that 245 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: this this these two people that you're talking about, both 246 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: making these these honest statements about levels of bigotry or 247 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: insanity as I would call them, they still are very 248 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: very different in the kind of democratic party they're trying 249 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: to put together. Whether one is honest and one is 250 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: is kind of still trying to obfuscate, or one is 251 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: clear headed and one is radically ideological. This divide is real, 252 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: and I don't think and I would get your thoughts. 253 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: Have the Democrats figured out how they're going to square 254 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: this circle now? 255 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: And they're but they're trying. I mean, there's no I don't. 256 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 2: I'm hesitant to say that there's an obvious answer to 257 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 2: the big question that's royaling Democrats right now, which is 258 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: do you have to moderate? Do you have to appeal 259 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: to the middle, Do you have to abandon some of 260 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: these progressive, wild eyed social policies, for example, as well 261 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: as economic policies and foreign policies that alienated so many voters. 262 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: Or can you muscle through your vision and exploit your 263 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 2: opponent's mistakes to the extent that, regardless of whether you're 264 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: not especially representative of the median American voter, that you 265 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: can still enjoy electoral success. I don't think there's an 266 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: answer to that question.