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Speaker 1: Now, Hey, Piel, thank you for the time. How are you.
Speaker 4: I'm doing great? Thanks much for having me on. I
Speaker 4: hope you're having a great summer.
Speaker 2: Well, the summer has been fantastic, and now it'sammed up
Speaker 2: a little bit because we do have football back. I'm
Speaker 2: curious did you have a chance to eyeball any of
Speaker 2: the Colts and Patriots last night? Just out of curiosity?
Speaker 4: Hey, we called that the Will Mallory Show, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I did stuff last night from Will obviously, And yeah,
Speaker 4: a game that won't be remembered at like the Pro
Speaker 4: Football Hall of Fame. If I had to guess, not
Speaker 4: too many ties they go down as memorable. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I did have a chance to catch some of it.
Speaker 4: Saw some of Anthony richardson Will Mallory has mentioned, and
Speaker 4: then a lot of missfield.
Speaker 5: Goals as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially you kind of wonder if maybe one of
Speaker 2: these these kickers from the Colts that gets cut ends
Speaker 2: up in Foxboro with Mike Frado England. Yeah, any kind
Speaker 2: of murder with a group of or straighter or whatever. Hey,
Speaker 2: what were your thoughts? And we've been around this for
Speaker 2: so long now it almost wears us down a little bit.
Speaker 2: So we need a little bit of inside perspective, if
Speaker 2: you don't mind outside perspective, if you don't mind right here,
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on Richardson in terms of what
Speaker 2: the Colts should do with him this season?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think the weird line that the Folts are having
Speaker 4: to straddle right now is that, you know, quarterbacks do
Speaker 4: have value if they're on your roster. Depths can certainly
Speaker 4: be tested. And we give a quarterback coming off of
Speaker 4: a torn achilles, even one that's rehabbing as remarkably well
Speaker 4: as Daniel Jones, It's like you still have to be
Speaker 4: mindful of the pieces behind him. And you have your
Speaker 4: backup in Raley Leonard, but another player is only going
Speaker 4: into a second NFL season that you just don't want
Speaker 4: to give Anthony Richardson away.
Speaker 5: But that you're getting. So if you're not getting any.
Speaker 4: Offers that are of consequence, the question is is it
Speaker 4: more valuable to have a third string quarterback most likely
Speaker 4: maybe a back up, our third string quarterback who might
Speaker 4: not play at all, or you know, a Day three selection,
Speaker 4: which you know, Day three pitchs have certainly become lots
Speaker 4: of things in the NFL, but they're far from a guarantee.
Speaker 5: And I do think there's a bit of a pride
Speaker 5: factor involved here.
Speaker 4: You know, I understand the Chris Ballard and the Colts
Speaker 4: organization has moved on in many ways from Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 5: They signed Daniel Jones last year, they reinvested in Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5: I get that. At the same time, this was.
Speaker 4: The front office that took him fourth overall a few
Speaker 4: years ago, during a draft in which not everybody thought
Speaker 4: that Anthony Richardson would go that high. Some thought it
Speaker 4: could have been We'll Levice as an example, who would
Speaker 4: go fourth overall, or other players that were not quarterbacks
Speaker 4: could have gone fourth overall. So I think it's kind
Speaker 4: of a tricky spot here for the Colts said, if
Speaker 4: they get an offer that's too good to refuse, do
Speaker 4: it until that point.
Speaker 5: As awkward as it may be, you do need the
Speaker 5: quarterback death.
Speaker 1: It's a field.
Speaker 2: Yates of ESPN ESPN dot Com fantasy football analyst, football
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Speaker 2: on that in just a second.
Speaker 1: But Field, I'm curious.
Speaker 2: I went over this in the pregame show last night
Speaker 2: with analysts Rick Venturi, and he brought this up and
Speaker 2: obviously there's no relatable here. That's not something that at
Speaker 2: least we understand or know that Shane sdeykeen has been
Speaker 2: thinking about doing. But would you try to concoct some
Speaker 2: really kind of offensively odd ideas, I e.
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill.
Speaker 2: If Anthony Richardson is a part of this team moving
Speaker 2: forward this year, would you try some different things offensively
Speaker 2: with him? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think with Anthony, like again, yeah, we're way past
Speaker 4: the point of having drafted and fourth overall, get it sober.
Speaker 1: And done with.
Speaker 5: That's that's three years ago or four years ago. Now.
Speaker 5: It's some costs of a draft investment.
Speaker 4: But we've reached the point where you don't have to
Speaker 4: focus exclusively on the stuff you can't do right, like
Speaker 4: not the most accurate pastor obviously not a timing in
Speaker 4: rhythm thrower, obviously, but let's see what we can do
Speaker 4: tap into some of the unique abilities. I mean, he
Speaker 4: is on the short list at least the greatest quarterback
Speaker 4: athletes we've ever seen, right, I mean that's based off.
Speaker 5: To Tom by Dusty. He has put himself into that.
Speaker 4: Zip code and maybe you can find ways.
Speaker 5: To tap into that. You know, he had.
Speaker 4: The shortyardist run last night. I still believe that anthy
Speaker 4: could be amongst the best goal line rushers in the league.
Speaker 4: And you know, Jonathan Taylor is all that and more
Speaker 4: as well. So maybe in a different circumstance, you wouldn't
Speaker 4: need to tap into Anthony Richardson, or you would need
Speaker 4: to tap in Anthony Richardson. So perhaps the coach a
Speaker 4: little more hesitant there. But if he's on the roster,
Speaker 4: you might as well do yourself service and see what
Speaker 4: utilities can get out of him. Even if it's not much,
Speaker 4: it's better than him simply watching every single game from
Speaker 4: the bench.
Speaker 1: Field.
Speaker 2: Jays joined us so Daniel Jones on the rebound from
Speaker 2: that injury, and we'll start right here. Does it surprise
Speaker 2: you that he's making at least from what we've told,
Speaker 2: been told, and what we have seen so much progress,
Speaker 2: and then how would you factor in what to expect
Speaker 2: considering how good he was up until the point a
Speaker 2: year ago when he was compromised and done due to injury.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Daniel, what a remarkable rehabit process so far. You know,
Speaker 4: he certainly seems like he is more than ahead of
Speaker 4: a typical schedule. He's way ahead of a typical schedule.
Speaker 4: I think Daniel was in some ways reflective of how
Speaker 4: I think this Colts team. It's a bit of a
Speaker 4: pendulum team in twenty twenty six, So, I mean, my
Speaker 4: dad is there sort of two.
Speaker 5: Sides to it.
Speaker 4: The good version of Daniel Jones, the Rabits career has
Speaker 4: some really good I mean he's put He took a
Speaker 4: Giants team to the playoffs the Outdold with her cousins.
Speaker 5: In that game they beat the Vikings.
Speaker 4: This was a few years ago, of course, and then
Speaker 4: last year he was playing like a playoff quarterback for
Speaker 4: much of the first half of the season and then
Speaker 4: he got it wasn't quite as perfect in the game's
Speaker 4: leading up to him.
Speaker 5: Still, he just played a really good ball, good enough
Speaker 5: to help you win a lot of meaningful games.
Speaker 4: So, but the Colts have several players that like the
Speaker 4: best version of them can be really good that the
Speaker 4: worst version can become be a problem. And this team,
Speaker 4: it's not a house of cars, not the right term.
Speaker 4: But I could see this team competing for the.
Speaker 5: Playoffs once again. I could also see this team finishing
Speaker 5: third of this division. Right, that would be not surprising
Speaker 5: any of us because it happened last year. So it's
Speaker 5: a big year.
Speaker 4: It's a pressure cooker, perhaps every sad at any time
Speaker 4: a team makes an announcement at the end of the
Speaker 4: season to say that they are keeping the head coach
Speaker 4: in the GM, it means the year ahead is a
Speaker 4: pressure year, right, So, Daniel Jones, in this entire Colts franchise,
Speaker 4: I do believe based some pressure this year, just giving
Speaker 4: all the circumstances of what took place last year and
Speaker 4: over the past six or seven years.
Speaker 2: And I know field you at ESPN, when you compile
Speaker 2: all these fantasy football numbers as well, you kind of
Speaker 2: view as what you saw last time he was on
Speaker 2: the field, But also you compile that with what has
Speaker 2: been historically his past or what has been the connection
Speaker 2: to it. Would you expect him to have a season
Speaker 2: this year if healthy as he had until he was
Speaker 2: injured a year ago, or would there seem to be
Speaker 2: a bit of a decline. How would you view him
Speaker 2: through I guess the lens in this case of fantasy
Speaker 2: football numbers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the fantasy football outlook is this is Daniel Jones
Speaker 4: obviously has a lot of upside. He was really good
Speaker 4: last year, especially in the first half of the season.
Speaker 4: The question mark on Daniel is when you're coming back
Speaker 4: from an achilles hair. A big part of Daniels fantasy
Speaker 4: values tied to his legs and is the team going
Speaker 4: to be judicious with Daniel Jones given the fact coming
Speaker 4: off of one of the most significant injuries that we
Speaker 4: see relatively frequently around the NFL. So Daniel Jones can
Speaker 4: certainly be a very very solid fantasy football quarterback. Is
Speaker 4: Quebec seventeen for me in my rankings because I am
Speaker 4: accounting for the possibility of him not being as lethal
Speaker 4: as a runner as he was at the time last year.
Speaker 4: I think that would be rooted by the Colts. It
Speaker 4: would not be a merit of Daniel Jones in real football.
Speaker 4: It would just be a reality of a guy it's
Speaker 4: closely removed with December seventh. I believe it was when
Speaker 4: he popped his achilles and this old season kind of
Speaker 4: went by the wayside from.
Speaker 2: There, field, Jonathan Taylor got that two year extension. What's
Speaker 2: your fantasy football expertise tell you about the culture running
Speaker 2: back going into this year?
Speaker 4: Yeah, forth rank running back for me, Jonathan Taylor. I
Speaker 4: believe it's the betting favorite to lead the NFL in
Speaker 4: rushing yards the season.
Speaker 5: Is just a remarkable, remarkable talent.
Speaker 4: If we don't see as much of Daniel Jones running,
Speaker 4: It's good things for Jonathan Taylor's fantasy value because it
Speaker 4: means more opportunities for Jonathan Taylor right specifically at the
Speaker 4: goal line, where he's already going to be led the
Speaker 4: NFL and Russian touchdowns last season, A good bet to
Speaker 4: do that any year, but the possibility of getting twenty
Speaker 4: rushing touchdowns, it's greater for Jonathan Taylor then probably any
Speaker 4: running back in the NFL, maybe alongside.
Speaker 5: Derrick Henry or somebody like that.
Speaker 4: So my fourth right funning back, I'd be surprised if
Speaker 4: he went much lower than seventh or eighth overall in
Speaker 4: most fantasy football drafts and guy that you know, remember
Speaker 4: there is agony over whether to extend him the first
Speaker 4: time around, and here we are and he has already
Speaker 4: been extended once again. So he's just been a hallmark
Speaker 4: player for the Colts since being drafted.
Speaker 2: Field Yates ESPN joins us we have seen a rebirth
Speaker 2: of sorts of value at the running back position, and
Speaker 2: now it's more reflective as it always has been in
Speaker 2: terms of the world of fantasy football. But in the
Speaker 2: actual NFL world, Why have we seen that positional rejuvenation
Speaker 2: here recently?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's probably a couple of factors. Is one,
Speaker 4: you know, the numbers robbinsly going to go up because
Speaker 4: the salary cap is going up. The larger the salary cap,
Speaker 4: the larger the salary. I also think we're in just
Speaker 4: this really unique period with some great, great players at
Speaker 4: running back right John Robinson, Jamier Gibbs, Jonathan Taylor, three
Speaker 4: guys who not only are you know, can be particular
Speaker 4: powers right now, but also guys who like the prime
Speaker 4: may not be reached yet for them. Jonathan's a little
Speaker 4: bit older than those two guys, so maybe Jonathan is
Speaker 4: in the prime of his career. But it's it's kind
Speaker 4: of a timing thing right now. So we've got some
Speaker 4: really good backs and you know, we may have another
Speaker 4: one as a rookie.
Speaker 5: And Jeremiah Love.
Speaker 4: Made his pre season debut last night. You know, I
Speaker 4: think also teams are starting to realize a little bit
Speaker 4: of Yet it's this is what history has told us
Speaker 4: we aren't supposed to do. But some of the best
Speaker 4: movers and most successful stories in the NFL have been
Speaker 4: the people that have been ahead of curves. And I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that paying running back top of the market
Speaker 4: is definitely ahead of the curve, but it could be. Hey,
Speaker 4: people are telling us to zig, and that's when we zag.
Speaker 4: So team are saying, I'll pay a great running back
Speaker 4: and I'll find some value elsewhere.
Speaker 5: So things tend to be cyclical in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Perhaps is the start of a new cycle running backs
Speaker 4: are appreciated.
Speaker 2: This is field Yates, a VESPN talking NFL and NFL
Speaker 2: Fantasy football as well. He joins us via the Andy
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Speaker 2: We'll get into that in just a second too. So
Speaker 2: Alec Pierce, new big deal wide receiver coming back from
Speaker 2: a surgery, and Tyler Warren you're number two at tied end.
Speaker 2: What is the fantasy value and your thoughts on the
Speaker 2: type of season you expect from both of those Colt players.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Alex a really interesting one because the contract that
Speaker 4: he signed with the Colts this offseason was what most
Speaker 4: free agent contracts are at their core, which is a
Speaker 4: bet on what the player is going to become. But
Speaker 4: to be clear, I mean, alex sample size and body
Speaker 4: of work is lesser than most receivers that are getting
Speaker 4: paid around where he ranks in average per your pay right.
Speaker 4: I mean people have had some figures talk when they
Speaker 4: saw that number. Up to this point in fantasy, he
Speaker 4: hasn't been a top forty player at the position of
Speaker 4: wide receiver, but he gets there this year. Absolutely he
Speaker 4: could if he's healthy, but there's some question mark surrounding
Speaker 4: his health. And then also the way in which Alec
Speaker 4: has been used. He's been more of a downfield vertical threat,
Speaker 4: which in fantasy the best version of that is like
Speaker 4: a Mike Evans type player, but also requires excellent efficiency.
Speaker 4: We'll see whether Alex brings us to the table. No complaints,
Speaker 4: no worries whatsoever about Tyler Warren. He's going to be
Speaker 4: incredibly busy. He's an excellent, excellent tight end and given
Speaker 4: all the injuries at pass catcher right now for the Colts,
Speaker 4: shouldn't surprise anybody if he challenges for one hundred and
Speaker 4: thirty or so targets this year.
Speaker 2: You know when we should factor this in the question
Speaker 2: I asked a little bit earlier about Anthony Richardson's senior field,
Speaker 2: about gadgetry offensively with Shane Steiken, that may all be
Speaker 2: used up by Tyler Warren at this point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lefty quarterback for Mechanicsville, Pennsylvania. He's got some
Speaker 4: serious game to him. Yeah, I think that's totally far.
Speaker 4: You know, Tyler is such a unique player. I think
Speaker 4: that's the pensyl bing. I believe it's Virginia. Is Tyler's
Speaker 4: from state. I apologize for that, but yeah, that's totally fair.
Speaker 4: Is that like he's gonna see some rushes this year,
Speaker 4: perhaps some stuff at the bottom, you know, at the
Speaker 4: goal line. So Tayler is such a talented player, the
Speaker 4: kind of guy that you could really build. You know,
Speaker 4: a significant portion of your passing game around. He's a special, special.
Speaker 1: Player ESPN's field Yes, joins us.
Speaker 2: Give us some Fantasy Football twenty twenty six risers in
Speaker 2: your opinion?
Speaker 5: Who risers? Well, we talked to you.
Speaker 4: Alex Pearson is the kind of guy that has a
Speaker 4: chance to become a riser. But some of the players
Speaker 4: I like this year a Mecca Abuca from the Buccaneers
Speaker 4: stepping into a clear cut wide receiver one role for them,
Speaker 4: Polston Loveland from Chicago Bears. He and Tyler Warren kind
Speaker 4: of vying to be the next tight end to crack
Speaker 4: that All Pro ranking. It's you know, bruck Hoers and
Speaker 4: Tyler and Trade McBride have kind of a grip on
Speaker 4: that our have over the past couple of seasons, with
Speaker 4: George Kittle mixed in there as well. And then Justin
Speaker 4: Herbert's the guy that I think is due for a
Speaker 4: big bump. You know, Justin plays in the system run
Speaker 4: by Mike McDaniel, and Mike McDaniel was able to.
Speaker 5: Make to a tongue by Loa the NFL's leading passer.
Speaker 4: I think Justin Herbert's more talented player than two and
Speaker 4: I'm excited about what it's going to look like once
Speaker 4: we get to the regular season.
Speaker 2: For the Chargers those on the decline out there, a
Speaker 2: couple of highlights for people, maybe the side stiff if possible.
Speaker 4: You know, a guy like DK metcalf is one that
Speaker 4: gives me a lot of you know pause, He's just
Speaker 4: you know with Dk, he's so talented, but he relies
Speaker 4: on efficiency down the field.
Speaker 5: And his quarterback, Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4: Had one of the shortest average depth of targets amongst
Speaker 4: starting qbs last year.
Speaker 5: Aaron just wants to kind of dec and dunk his.
Speaker 4: Way down the field as opposed to threaten you really
Speaker 4: far down the field.
Speaker 2: Draft strategy for folks out there this particular year, I
Speaker 2: don't know if it changes. It always seems like it's
Speaker 2: the same for me. But does it change for you?
Speaker 2: And should it change for those out there participating?
Speaker 4: Well, what I would tell you, Let me give you
Speaker 4: just two simple rules that will apply until the end
Speaker 4: of time.
Speaker 5: Most likely. One is you've got to play the draft room.
Speaker 4: It's not different than the NFL draft in that regard, right,
Speaker 4: unless you're thinking first overall, you don't really know exactly
Speaker 4: what's going to happen.
Speaker 5: So play the draft room right.
Speaker 4: The second rule of fount It's just it's really you're
Speaker 4: gonna reach a pointer in the season for running backs
Speaker 4: just aren't gonna be in stock, and so get them.
Speaker 5: When you can.
Speaker 4: They're trying to break a tie between two players that
Speaker 4: you're closely ranked. One are running back on wide receiver
Speaker 4: wrab the running.
Speaker 2: Back they field and closing. And I'm going to ask
Speaker 2: you something early odd. It's about defense, and it pertains
Speaker 2: to the Colts the value of a defense like the
Speaker 2: culture built right now until further notice, where.
Speaker 1: They're back end heavy, meaning they.
Speaker 2: Rely on Sauce Gardner on Sharvarius Ward on Cam Bonham
Speaker 2: as their playmakers in the secondary and not so much
Speaker 2: a belief in a lot of frequency getting after the quarterback.
Speaker 2: Can that be more or less of that? How do
Speaker 2: you view that in terms of the world defense? Because
Speaker 2: you got playmaking ability and you got talented players on
Speaker 2: the secondary. But is that something you sidestep considering what
Speaker 2: we don't know about Layatu Latu and Ardent Key coming
Speaker 2: off the edge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what I would say is that for fantasy, if
Speaker 4: I'm going to draft the defense, it's going to be
Speaker 4: the one that's more likely to pile up a ton
Speaker 4: of sacks, turnovers and touchdowns. Score off of turnovers are
Speaker 4: impossible to predict, so I tend to lean towards the defenses,
Speaker 4: like maybe the Denver Broncos the Houston Texans are going
Speaker 4: to pile.
Speaker 5: Up nine thousand facs during the season.
Speaker 2: Makes a lot of sense right there, Field Yates, When
Speaker 2: can we catch you again? I think you're all over
Speaker 2: the TV every time I'm talking of the afternoon. You're
Speaker 2: like looking right across from me on the television monitor
Speaker 2: when you guys go fourth hurts today.
Speaker 4: And then Monday morning, Monday few Friday. It's an am
Speaker 4: Eastern time fantasy focused. So we have a lot of
Speaker 4: fun there.
Speaker 2: Field, It's always great to talk with you, man. Thanks
Speaker 2: for dropping and we'll do it again here in Indianapolis
Speaker 2: if you want you over the course of the season. Two, pal,
Speaker 2: that sounds great. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: We're going to the Colts and the Patriots. Last night
Speaker 2: some of the more interesting players noted players of the
Speaker 2: Colts and how that also could pertain to your fantasy
Speaker 2: football draft. You got a little bit of everything right there.
Speaker 2: This show, you get a little bit of everything meantime
Speaker 2: on the Andy More Automotic Group plotline thirteen thirteen was
Speaker 2: the final last night and joining us to describe that
Speaker 2: and more. He was there in Foxboro at Gillette Joeli
Speaker 2: Erickson at the Star. That's going to be a staple
Speaker 2: every fighter during the football season.
Speaker 1: Who joins us? Now? Hello, Joe?
Speaker 6: How are you are you?
Speaker 2: No, We've got a little bit of problematic sound right there, Caleb.
Speaker 1: Are we okay?
Speaker 2: Because I heard me twice? That's okay. We hurt myself
Speaker 2: twice and once is certainly enough.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you once is enough. Hey.
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Speaker 2: eleven until one.
Speaker 1: You're shooting against me, Joe? Are you back now?
Speaker 2: Without hearing ourselves twice in this conversation here, Boddy, Yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Can only hear myself once now, that's important.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See, the last thing we want to do, we
Speaker 2: barely want to hear me like once, all right, So
Speaker 2: the last thing we need to do is hear me
Speaker 2: twice on this I want to start with you on
Speaker 2: Brian Mason torn multi torn ligaments. It sounds like it
Speaker 2: is as bad as it looked. Is that true? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, from my understandings, it's as bad as it looked.
Speaker 7: I don't have a ton of other details on when
Speaker 7: he's going to be back, or what that looks like
Speaker 7: or anything. I just know multiple torn ligaments. Anytime there's
Speaker 7: more than one, that's a pretty bad knee injury. But this,
Speaker 7: I'm always kind of surprised this doesn't happen more often
Speaker 7: on the sidelines. You know, you think about all they
Speaker 7: got to get out of the way, but there's not
Speaker 7: always a ton of room back there, ending in front
Speaker 7: of players and stuff.
Speaker 6: And he did try to.
Speaker 7: Move wow, and just kind of got caught up in it.
Speaker 7: It's surprising to me that this happens as infrequently as
Speaker 7: it does.
Speaker 1: In the NFL. No, I I completely agree with that too.
Speaker 1: Was it just me?
Speaker 2: I wondered why Anthony Richardson Senior didn't throw that last
Speaker 2: ball just for the hell of it.
Speaker 1: Were you wondering too?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 7: No, no, At that last uh last time we got
Speaker 7: the last play there, I was like, let's let's get.
Speaker 1: Out of here.
Speaker 6: Ah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I was just taking Joel. I mean, hell,
Speaker 2: while we're here, let's see this dude arrowed out and
Speaker 2: see what the hell happens. Because I didn't think that Riley.
Speaker 2: I didn't think that Riley probably had it in him,
Speaker 2: but I thought that Richardson Senior probably had the arm
Speaker 2: strength in him for that.
Speaker 7: I I kind of wanted that to send Spencer Schrader
Speaker 7: back out for a seventy yarder and see what happened.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're gonna try to do that up to
Speaker 2: my groupie guy. Huh, I'm a groupie groupie right here.
Speaker 6: He hit that, He hit that sixty one yard or
Speaker 6: so good. I thought, you know, that's let's just see
Speaker 6: what happens.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 2: Part of my problem is and I told I had
Speaker 2: Blake on the show last week, and I said, hey,
Speaker 2: last time I did a kick her on the show
Speaker 2: was Matt Gay and I think we all saw how
Speaker 2: that ended.
Speaker 1: D Sho you want to be here?
Speaker 2: And and he said yes, and then said since that
Speaker 2: point in time. He was perfect at that moment, but
Speaker 2: since then not so much.
Speaker 1: Joe.
Speaker 6: Did you see what Rabel said after the game last night?
Speaker 7: No matter who wins this, no matter who wins this
Speaker 7: job for the Colts, I think the other, the other,
Speaker 7: the other kicker is going to have a job somewhere
Speaker 7: because you know, the.
Speaker 6: Patriots kicker missed three times.
Speaker 7: And even if it's not them, there's other kicking competitions
Speaker 7: that are pretty bad. And these two guys, you know,
Speaker 7: have track records, and then Trader kicks that ball. Trader's
Speaker 7: starting to kick it the way I'm used to seeing
Speaker 7: him kick it. So I think that no matter what happens,
Speaker 7: both of those guys are gonna end up with a job.
Speaker 1: I said last night.
Speaker 2: That that somebody that the guy that doesn't make the
Speaker 2: Colts is going to end up in Foxborough. And that's
Speaker 2: a that's a great way to put it right there too,
Speaker 2: because you're right there in front of Rabel's face, and
Speaker 2: that dude last night wasn't going to have it and
Speaker 2: it did not look endaring on the sideline when they
Speaker 2: showed Rabel after those misses.
Speaker 7: Right when I covered the Saints, back when I covered
Speaker 7: the Saints, there was a training camp that we covered
Speaker 7: a kicking competition and uh got to the end of it,
Speaker 7: thought they declared a winner, and then they cut both
Speaker 7: of them and because because they had been in joint
Speaker 7: practices with the Ravens, and they liked what they saw
Speaker 7: out of Will Lutts and what they heard from John
Speaker 7: Harbaugh about Will Lutts, and so they just went with
Speaker 7: the guy that they'd seen in joint practices.
Speaker 6: And if Andy Borrigals.
Speaker 7: Continues to struggle in New England, it sure feels like
Speaker 7: Mike Rabel was watching the way grouping and the wall,
Speaker 7: the way the ball came off of Groupie in Trader's
Speaker 7: foot and was like, you know, I feel like we
Speaker 7: got some options right here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and had no doubt. Joe A.
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Speaker 1: What are your takeaways from last night?
Speaker 2: Whether it's you know, quarterback, backup battles or positional situations,
Speaker 2: or kickers or ye know, running backs, whatever, did anything
Speaker 2: strike you more interesting than other thoughts coming off of
Speaker 2: last night's preseason game?
Speaker 7: One, I thought at backup quarterback and then at kicker
Speaker 7: where we're talking about it, I thought that those those
Speaker 7: two races were heading in one direction.
Speaker 6: And then last night kind of flipped it back on
Speaker 6: its head a little bit and made it a little
Speaker 6: more open.
Speaker 7: You know Spencer's Raider had been struggling, admittedly.
Speaker 6: With pulling the ball left.
Speaker 7: This week, with the joint practices with the game, he
Speaker 7: started to look a little bit more like himself.
Speaker 6: And they've said all along those.
Speaker 7: Preseason games are going to matter the most. They said
Speaker 7: the same thing with the quarterback competition.
Speaker 6: And I know he had the fumble.
Speaker 7: I know the ball was a little bit like not
Speaker 7: well placed on the interception. I still put most of
Speaker 7: that on coleman Owen not catching it. But Anthony Richardson
Speaker 7: looked really good. That's I think that's the best he's
Speaker 7: looked in training camp the entire time. And Riley Leonard,
Speaker 7: rather than you know, by his own admission, struggled, you know,
Speaker 7: two days after looking really good in the practice. So
Speaker 7: I thought that to two position battles that we've been
Speaker 7: watching and it felt like we had clear leaders in
Speaker 7: maybe kind of got flipped on their head a little bit.
Speaker 1: Joel A.
Speaker 2: Erickson of The Star is with us on the Andy
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Speaker 1: So Rick Van Surrey brought this up to me in
Speaker 1: the Colts.
Speaker 2: Pregame huddle last night talking about would like to see
Speaker 2: you know, Taysom Hill type of usage of Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 2: and then you know, also brought up the fact that
Speaker 2: that has never been a play that Shane Stiken has made.
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm asking here, Are you surprised? Is
Speaker 2: that something they should do? They should look at if
Speaker 2: Richardson is going to be here, what the hell or
Speaker 2: does it come down to? If they're going to do gadgetry,
Speaker 2: it's probably going to involve Tyler.
Speaker 7: Warren, you know, having been there when taysoon when they
Speaker 7: started the Taysom Hill stuff in New Orleans.
Speaker 6: I think I'm always open to.
Speaker 7: That idea that I'm always open to the idea of
Speaker 7: moving somebody talented around the formation we saw last night.
Speaker 6: Richardson still looks pretty.
Speaker 7: Darn good on the hoof and he's out there in
Speaker 7: the open field.
Speaker 6: I do think you worry a little bit more.
Speaker 7: Than you did with Taysom about the injury, not because
Speaker 7: Taysom Hill was an injury prone he had his own injuries,
Speaker 7: but just because of the backup situation. But if you
Speaker 7: like Riley Leonard and you've got all three of these
Speaker 7: guys here together, you know, why not why not why
Speaker 7: not use it as a why not use Richardson as
Speaker 7: a as.
Speaker 6: A curve ball for teams.
Speaker 7: And that you know you you could do that stuff
Speaker 7: with Tyler Warren too, and it doesn't it doesn't exclude
Speaker 7: it from happening.
Speaker 1: Would you feel that that's something.
Speaker 2: That Shane Tyke has ever thought about or whatever consider
Speaker 2: because for me, it's something that he hasn't and won't.
Speaker 7: I I think he'll look for any any way to
Speaker 7: do it. I don't know the dynamics of you know,
Speaker 7: if you know.
Speaker 6: Is Richardson open to it? Is he?
Speaker 7: Because the other thing is that you know, with with
Speaker 7: the whole the whole way Taysom Hill got started.
Speaker 6: He's his first playing time in New Orleans was not
Speaker 6: as a quarterback.
Speaker 7: It was as a special team. So he was coming
Speaker 7: from the other side of things, just looking for any
Speaker 7: way to get on the field. Richardson was a starter.
Speaker 7: Richardson obviously still wants an opportunity. I don't I have
Speaker 7: no idea if he'd be open to it or not,
Speaker 7: but I'd be interested, And I think Shane Sdyken is
Speaker 7: generally open to, you know, whatever will work.
Speaker 2: Jolly Erickson of the Star with us, So I'm assuming
Speaker 2: every Friday.
Speaker 1: Are you good with that? Now?
Speaker 2: Does that mean you're going to show up at some
Speaker 2: of our locations or are you still a little bit
Speaker 2: afraid of Sometimes?
Speaker 7: I think I've I think I've generally showed up at
Speaker 7: least at least once a season here. I'll do my best,
Speaker 7: but we know, I have three boys, and they got
Speaker 7: stuff going on, and I got to get him to places.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you could, just like let Brank Brian Kellikan,
Speaker 2: Baby shit, everybody, what the.
Speaker 7: Hell, I'll let Brian know that you've You've given me
Speaker 7: permission to just drop drop the kids off at his house?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, he'll feel good about that. Hey,
Speaker 2: coming off of last night, besides the special teams coordinator,
Speaker 2: any other injuries of note, and then let's look ahead
Speaker 2: really quickly to the joint practices with the Falcons and
Speaker 2: then preseason Game two coming up next Saturday.
Speaker 6: Jalen Jones was evaluated for a concussion. I don't have a.
Speaker 7: They didn't say that he was cleared the way they
Speaker 7: did with Hudder Woler, so that that's really the biggest
Speaker 7: injury that we know of coming off of it. The
Speaker 7: other one, Anthony Gould didn't. I don't I'm not sure
Speaker 7: if he dressed or not. He didn't really play much.
Speaker 7: If he did, I'm kind of curious to see if
Speaker 7: he's practicing.
Speaker 6: And we get back on Saturday, and then next week.
Speaker 7: With the Falcons, I think this is going to be
Speaker 7: another good test for some of this cornerback depth that
Speaker 7: we saw really struggle this week in New England.
Speaker 6: Mackai Blackman Jonathan.
Speaker 7: Edwards both both really struggled. And those guys are not
Speaker 7: the first one on the depth chart. The first one
Speaker 7: on the depth chart is Cam Taylor Britt. If somebody's hurt,
Speaker 7: but Tarvarius Awards hurt right now with a back injury,
Speaker 7: and so you're already into Taylor Britt. And I think
Speaker 7: we saw last season and sometimes those five and six
Speaker 7: guys play.
Speaker 6: They'd look good in Colts camp.
Speaker 7: The Colts do not have the receiver depth that test
Speaker 7: them as much as the New England Patriots do, and
Speaker 7: I think the Falcons, you know, with Drake London and
Speaker 7: some of their people, can test them in similar ways.
Speaker 2: Jolie ericson of the Star, He's going to be a
Speaker 2: staple right here every Friday, and sometimes maybe out with
Speaker 2: us drinking. Other times maybe he's got family responsibilities, but
Speaker 2: he's going to be round and we love it a
Speaker 2: great deal. And we have similar thoughts regarding Blackman and Edwards.
Speaker 2: They played a lot of snaps in that secondary a
Speaker 2: year ago and they got they got targeted and worked
Speaker 2: last night by Danny DeVito's son.
Speaker 1: So that's not great.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it didn't. It didn't look great. Hopefully, hopefully when
Speaker 7: I'm on every Friday.
Speaker 6: It won't be in an airport. Hopefully this is the
Speaker 6: only airport we have this time.
Speaker 1: Hey, did Kayden Curry?
Speaker 2: You think Kayden Curry made the team with a performance
Speaker 2: last night or well on his way to making that team,
Speaker 2: because I mean, I know he may have been playing
Speaker 2: against dudes that's going to be selling insurance coming up
Speaker 2: in a month or so. But speaking of working guys,
Speaker 2: he worked dudes last.
Speaker 6: Night, So not only the defense.
Speaker 7: The other interesting thing with Kayden Curry was that he
Speaker 7: was out there on special teams on the first kickoff,
Speaker 7: on the first kickoff return, that was out there. If
Speaker 7: if Brian Mason likes him as a special teamer, that'll
Speaker 7: go a long way towards Kaid and Curry making the roster.
Speaker 1: He is and we know this to be true.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if he's playing against Westfield or against Michigan.
Speaker 1: He's a badass dude right there.
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what I expected, and anybody that's ever
Speaker 2: watched him around CG they also expected that. But it
Speaker 2: was great to see that for sure. All Right, Hey,
Speaker 2: whenever we're live, you gott to join us. Now. I
Speaker 2: understand that family concerns sometimes intervene, but hey, got to
Speaker 2: keep in mind, guys, I'm a bad influence, So understand that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Joe, I try.
Speaker 6: I know you might get me.
Speaker 7: You might get me from the I might have to
Speaker 7: do this for the Indiannited State Fair next week, depending
Speaker 7: on how it goes.
Speaker 2: Oh oh oh yes, can you imagine some of these
Speaker 2: bars and places we're going to be in the fall
Speaker 2: to Joel, just I'm gonna get you prepared.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, I'm listening.
Speaker 6: I'm listening.
Speaker 1: I appreciate. I appreciate your pal. Thank you, you bet
Speaker 1: you bet.
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Speaker 2: I love winning.
Speaker 4: You hear what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: He's like better than losing that He three five and
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2: There was really no winner of losers last night, and
Speaker 2: maybe Brian Mason who got rolled up and got the
Speaker 2: ligaments torn. The Colts special teams coordinator on that final
Speaker 2: play thirteen thirteen Colts and the Patriots preseason last night,
Speaker 2: Field yates with a description of what he saw and
Speaker 2: thoughts really all the way around with Field from ESPN
Speaker 2: a little bit earlier. Joey Erickson also covered that and
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Speaker 2: Sullivan Hardware and Garden. Another Pat's going to join us.
Speaker 2: That's Pat Boylan who is the voice of the Fever.
Speaker 2: Wi Antonella's going to rejoin us too, and Alex Antes
Speaker 2: of Hearst and Lamontes who brings us and this is
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Speaker 2: we hang out on the best balcony here in Central Indiana,
Speaker 2: but the weather was threatening.
Speaker 1: Now it looks like it's trying to clear off a.
Speaker 2: Little bit, which is good. But we do have a
Speaker 2: great crowd. And speaking of which we're giving away stuff.
Speaker 2: Is Elizabeth Murphy in the house. Elizabeth Murphy. I need
Speaker 2: an Elizabeth Murphy. If not, we're gonna have to get
Speaker 2: another name right here that Debbie is gonna select Elizabeth Murphy.
Speaker 1: Are you here going once? Going twice? No sale?
Speaker 2: Jane Littwin Len, I'm gonna butcher that last name.
Speaker 1: Come on over here, Jane.
Speaker 2: Hey, how badly did I butcher your last name?
Speaker 1: Pretty good? Where are you from?
Speaker 2: New Jersey? Jane congratulates. Let me give this to you,
Speaker 2: go hook. Yeah, thank you very much. Great to meet you.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Jane is from New Jersey. Right there for
Speaker 2: the Wings and the Fever. Later on tonight and the
Speaker 2: broadcast duo Debbie Antonelli joins us. Pat Boiler is here
Speaker 2: Alex Lamontes as well. First, Pat, let's welcome you in.
Speaker 1: All right? Are you all setting ready?
Speaker 8: I'm ready to go.
Speaker 9: This is jarring, though, because I've had so many conversations
Speaker 9: with you in personal Yes, so many conversations over the
Speaker 9: phone over the years, but I think this is maybe
Speaker 9: first time on air with you in person.
Speaker 2: This events like this kind of take you have to
Speaker 2: just be very sporadic.
Speaker 1: I'm very sporadic. So it's good. We got a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff go and you you guys have the same thing.
Speaker 2: I mean you're talking in front of you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of people and a lot of stuff going on
Speaker 2: as well, but no, these are the best things like
Speaker 2: this too, and then to have Debbie with us as well,
Speaker 2: which is outstanding.
Speaker 1: How thanks going for you.
Speaker 9: Things are going really well. You know, it's been a
Speaker 9: good season. I think things are trending in the right direction.
Speaker 9: It's been a couple of weeks since we've had a game,
Speaker 9: you know. It's so different now and most ways for
Speaker 9: the much better. But just a few years ago we
Speaker 9: did thirty nine of the forty games. Now I think
Speaker 9: our number is twenty five or something like that. So
Speaker 9: we go these stretches where we go a couple weeks
Speaker 9: without seeing each other, without doing a game. But it's
Speaker 9: good to be back on the airways here tonight.
Speaker 1: So that's a good thing. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: But you guys should be more prevalent, There's no doubt
Speaker 2: about that. But this team is playing his best basketball
Speaker 2: right here.
Speaker 1: And right now. Is it not so fun? Right?
Speaker 10: I mean the offensive explosion, the balance, the amount of
Speaker 10: players that can make plays. This is a playmakers game tonight.
Speaker 10: Shot makers game. This should be one hundred and twenty
Speaker 10: to one hundred and seventeen tonight.
Speaker 1: I mean, I really.
Speaker 10: Think the way the Fever are playing, the pace that
Speaker 10: they play, how hard they run the floor, and how
Speaker 10: wide it opens up all kinds of space. There's a
Speaker 10: lot of really good offensive habits that they have from
Speaker 10: the beginning of the season that have gotten better as
Speaker 10: the years going on.
Speaker 1: So Debbie Antonelli right there.
Speaker 2: Pat Boiler as well, Alex Lamontes is with us and
Speaker 2: he can chime in on any questions if he to
Speaker 2: as well. Hate Pat, you take away anything that the
Speaker 2: first game of the season was a disappointment and it
Speaker 2: was the team that they're playing later on later on
Speaker 2: this evening.
Speaker 1: Is there any takeaways from that?
Speaker 2: Ors things just change so dramatically now it really doesn't matter.
Speaker 9: Well, the game was a lot like deb was describing
Speaker 9: that she expects to see here tonight.
Speaker 8: It was one oh seven one oh four.
Speaker 9: Actually asked to Leah Boston about that a couple days ago,
Speaker 9: and she kind of chuckled. I said, doesn't that seem
Speaker 9: like it was months ago? I mean, it seems like
Speaker 9: a month in the Fever world is like three months
Speaker 9: of the regular world, and she just kind of chuckled
Speaker 9: and said, Yeah, I don't know that there's any takeaways
Speaker 9: from that game. It was so long ago. Things look
Speaker 9: so different now. You hate to see injuries. But Dallas
Speaker 9: has a few significant players who aren't available here tonight.
Speaker 8: I believe many Billings didn't play in that game.
Speaker 9: So I think it's tough to draw a whole lot
Speaker 9: from it other than the fact that you've got offensive playmakers,
Speaker 9: as deb alluded to, all over the floor, and I
Speaker 9: would expect the style to be similar. If neither team
Speaker 9: hits triple digits tonight, I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Be so yeah.
Speaker 2: Are we seeing some of the subpar categories with the fever, turnovers,
Speaker 2: fouling too much defensively?
Speaker 1: Do we see those.
Speaker 2: On the rise right now with them winning and the
Speaker 2: consistency more.
Speaker 10: I think they're getting better in all those categories. And
Speaker 10: I want to give credit to Stephanie White who continues
Speaker 10: to add layers to their defense. It's not just under
Speaker 10: overheadstrap by sjam switch drop, the eight different ways you
Speaker 10: can guard to Boss Green or some variation of it.
Speaker 10: But it's you know, the two to two one back
Speaker 10: into his own. It's you know, the way we put
Speaker 10: pressure on teams with our offense, that really creates opportunities
Speaker 10: for us defensively up the floor. In transition, there's just
Speaker 10: a lot of layers pressing full court. Those things that
Speaker 10: she has added has made this team better and more complete.
Speaker 1: I think the rotation has trimmed a little bit.
Speaker 10: I definitely think Aliah Boston adjusting to being the four
Speaker 10: KK Timpson, you know, coming in the starting lineup and
Speaker 10: allowing the rotation at the five physicis to change a
Speaker 10: little bit. All those things are analytical, but there are
Speaker 10: also gut reactions to who you're playing and what you've
Speaker 10: seen in practice and what you need to be doing
Speaker 10: to be Thinking about the playoffs which are coming up soon.
Speaker 9: I think they're trending in the right direction in just
Speaker 9: about every conceivable category. And I'm also a believer in
Speaker 9: when you go months of play or even weeks of play,
Speaker 9: you're of course you're gonna lose. It's gonna happen. I'm
Speaker 9: a believer in how you lose being important. And if
Speaker 9: you look at the fevers last few weeks, they're seven
Speaker 9: and nine, they're seven to two in their last nine.
Speaker 9: You look at those couple of losses, they're within a
Speaker 9: couple points at Minnesota end of a road trip. Best
Speaker 9: team record wise in the league is the Mass and
Speaker 9: then the other loss is a game they win nine
Speaker 9: hundred and ninety nine times out of a thousand against
Speaker 9: the Aces and it goes into overtime. So to me,
Speaker 9: even when they have lost, they have looked the part
Speaker 9: of a team that is championship caliber, and I think
Speaker 9: trending in the right direction here at the right time
Speaker 9: of the season. And then the obvious curve ball that's
Speaker 9: going to be thrown in here is we're going to
Speaker 9: hit pause for three weeks, so we're going to pick
Speaker 9: the league back up in mid September because of the
Speaker 9: FOEBA World Cup. You're trending in the right direction, but
Speaker 9: it's going to be a whole different storyline.
Speaker 8: I think at the end of September, how teams are looking.
Speaker 3: Then, yeah, I mean seven out of the last nine games, right,
Speaker 3: So what do you think has been the biggest difference
Speaker 3: from the beginning of the season versus the last nine
Speaker 3: games where I mean they've won seven out of the
Speaker 3: last nine. What do you guys think?
Speaker 10: I think it's their acceleration in their quarter court. Offensively,
Speaker 10: it's how quickly they get to their action to the
Speaker 10: second side, understanding rotations. I think they've always tried to
Speaker 10: play fast and run, and they still continue to do that.
Speaker 10: But I think Aliyah Boston's adjustment to playing the four.
Speaker 10: You know, in the beginning of the season, the or
Speaker 10: a lot of conversation about did Indiana have the four
Speaker 10: player that they needed to be able to stretch the floor.
Speaker 10: I look at four players in two ways. One as
Speaker 10: stretch fors which can shoot. The three are hybrid fors,
Speaker 10: which can shoot it and make decisions. Eliah Boston can
Speaker 10: do both of those, and I think her fitness, her
Speaker 10: ability to get it off the glass and go, we
Speaker 10: don't really need an outlet pass. Timpson might be the
Speaker 10: one that might, you know, dribble two or three times,
Speaker 10: but everyone else can initiate the offense and that gets
Speaker 10: you going faster, and the harder you run the floor,
Speaker 10: the quicker you create mismatch opportunities. And the Fever are
Speaker 10: doing that really well, and Dallas will do that well
Speaker 10: tonight is what also.
Speaker 9: She of course sees the game at a higher level
Speaker 9: than I do. But the Fever word to your point
Speaker 9: five and five through ten games. They're sixteen and seven
Speaker 9: since and when I look at it, I don't see
Speaker 9: one area that's dramatically improved. But when you look at
Speaker 9: the fever at the beginning of the year, I mean,
Speaker 9: Kelsey Mitchell has stepped up her game to another worldly level.
Speaker 9: Right now, the backcourt that you're seeing of Caitlin Clark
Speaker 9: and Kelsey Mitchell is historically good. It's, in my opinion,
Speaker 9: the best of back court has ever played in the
Speaker 9: history of the league. They were playing good at the
Speaker 9: beginning of the year, really good, all star level good.
Speaker 9: But now they're playing superstar, historic good. The defense at
Speaker 9: the beginning of the year was in the bottom three
Speaker 9: or the bottom four. It's found its way to midpack.
Speaker 9: So I think it's a lot of areas that have
Speaker 9: taken a step or two forward, and all of those
Speaker 9: things have added up.
Speaker 10: You see how excited Pat and I are the team.
Speaker 10: I mean, there's so much good when you look at
Speaker 10: the through a hoops lens and you think about how
Speaker 10: much this team continues to evolve, and Kelsey Mitchell is
Speaker 10: just unreal. I mean, I've never seen a player quicker
Speaker 10: in the women's game with the ball in her hands.
Speaker 10: I'm trying to go and give you a comparison. I
Speaker 10: make the comparison all the time on the air, and
Speaker 10: Pat laughs because he knows what I'm going to say.
Speaker 10: We know each other's comments. You know, Kelsey plays a
Speaker 10: game like a running back. You got to play the
Speaker 10: game low to high. If you're coaching little kids in defense,
Speaker 10: you're not telling them, you know, worried about all these
Speaker 10: boss greens and all this different schematic stuff that you do.
Speaker 10: What you tell him is stay between your man in
Speaker 10: the basket and get your shoulders lower than the person
Speaker 10: you're guarding. Okay, Well, Kelsey Mitchell plays the game low
Speaker 10: in every aspect.
Speaker 1: She has got her shoulder pads over.
Speaker 10: Her thigh pads like she's hitting the offensive line, and
Speaker 10: when she gets to the paint, she powers through and finishes.
Speaker 10: She's got great explosion, she's got quickness. And I always say,
Speaker 10: you know, nobody plays.
Speaker 1: The game like that.
Speaker 10: And there are more players in the league right now
Speaker 10: that can make the defense wrong no matter what you
Speaker 10: throw at them. They have a counter or a solution.
Speaker 10: Indiana has three players like that. Not every team has
Speaker 10: three like that, and that's part of the reason why
Speaker 10: they're so powerful on the offensive end.
Speaker 2: I think with her, and I've always said this about
Speaker 2: left handed players.
Speaker 1: I think that jacks people love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can go through the scattering report and say, hey,
Speaker 2: Kelsey Mitchell is left handed. But when you get out
Speaker 2: there and it's the heat of the moment, I just
Speaker 2: think naturally you tend to lean right handed every time.
Speaker 2: I just think the left handers have, especially one with
Speaker 2: that much quickness off the dribble, has a significant advantage
Speaker 2: in that category.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. And here's the other thing.
Speaker 10: It's too movable for uss trying to stop the other
Speaker 10: right like because back in the day you used to
Speaker 10: catch it triple threat and wait for the screen. Okay,
Speaker 10: today we're not doing that. You're already on the move
Speaker 10: when you catch it. So if Kelsey's already got her
Speaker 10: feet going and moving, so when she catches it and
Speaker 10: then you come to close out.
Speaker 1: Forget about it.
Speaker 10: I don't care who it is defensively, how big or tall,
Speaker 10: or how quicker long you are, you're not going to
Speaker 10: stop her. She has a counter and a solution to
Speaker 10: all those.
Speaker 2: Well, and two of the balls on the other side
Speaker 2: of the floor Kayla Clark has.
Speaker 1: It, and she's decision making.
Speaker 2: You've got decisions yourself to make, and Kelsey Mitchell is
Speaker 2: going to take advantage of any late clothes out.
Speaker 1: In the world.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it just I don't know what other teams
Speaker 2: are going to be able to do when the Fever
Speaker 2: are working at optimum offensive condition here, because when she
Speaker 2: gets the ball, you get that late close out and
Speaker 2: you're just way too out of control that you can't
Speaker 2: do anything with it anyway. But when you're out of
Speaker 2: control on that close you got no chance.
Speaker 10: Here's the thing for me working with Pat, this is
Speaker 10: why when you have great partners, you know each other's
Speaker 10: skill set. And Pat is so good at historically keeping
Speaker 10: us on track with records and what's coming next in
Speaker 10: the milestone. And so today I was looking at Kelsey's
Speaker 10: threes because she's got ninety seven. Three other times she's
Speaker 10: made one hundred threes. The single season record is held
Speaker 10: by Sabrina Yonescu at New York She's made one hundred
Speaker 10: and twenty eight. So Kelsey Mitchell is on track to
Speaker 10: pass that. And then you talk about when we're talking
Speaker 10: about closeouts, right, we don't even talk about our ability
Speaker 10: to shoot the three. So that's what makes her just
Speaker 10: really unguardable and fun to watch, right, I mean, how
Speaker 10: much fun.
Speaker 1: It's so fun.
Speaker 2: So w Nli, Pat Boiler and Alex Lamantes here we're
Speaker 2: a pivot bar and balcony before the Fever play the
Speaker 2: wings coming up later on tonight. My theory is this,
Speaker 2: and I passed this along to the Pacer fans out there.
Speaker 2: This Fever team reminds me so much Pat of the
Speaker 2: Pacer teams going back a couple of years when their
Speaker 2: best defense was so much of a better pushing the
Speaker 2: pace offense. And everybody wants to say I love to
Speaker 2: play at that pace until they have to play at
Speaker 2: that pace.
Speaker 1: And they can't.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the determination teams have to take
Speaker 2: playing the Fever. They push it off of makes they
Speaker 2: push it off of missus.
Speaker 1: And you may want to play that way, but when you.
Speaker 2: Get out there and you have to play both ins,
Speaker 2: you're maybe not capable of doing it.
Speaker 1: The Fever take advantage of that.
Speaker 9: There are eerie parallels, in my opinion, between the last
Speaker 9: couple of healthy Pacers teams and this Indiana Fever team.
Speaker 9: I mean, first of all, you've got maybe the best
Speaker 9: passer in the world on the NBA side and on
Speaker 9: the WNBA side, the best vision in this city, and
Speaker 9: playing in that building, and their ability to get the
Speaker 9: outlet pass to get the ball ahead. As Debbie's talking about,
Speaker 9: you know, how quickly do you get into your quarter court?
Speaker 8: All of that is very, very similar.
Speaker 9: But also this pace of play and the other thing
Speaker 9: that strikes me, and the Pacers had such success doing this,
Speaker 9: and it's why I can't wait to get to the
Speaker 9: playoffs and I can't wait to hopefully get into a
Speaker 9: longer series. So in the WNBA, Round one is best
Speaker 9: of three, Round two's best of five. If you get
Speaker 9: to the finals, it's best of seven. How often did
Speaker 9: we see the Pacers that where down effect almost became cliche,
Speaker 9: It almost became something that you got tired of hearing
Speaker 9: because so many people talked about it. But as a
Speaker 9: series wore on and as it got longer, they wore
Speaker 9: teams down with their pace. And so to me, I
Speaker 9: look at the playoffs coming up, and by the way,
Speaker 9: things are so compact in the in the WNBA standings
Speaker 9: right now, the fever could be anywhere from two to eight.
Speaker 9: So these games down the stretch are exceedingly important. But
Speaker 9: to me, the first round, if you're looking at it
Speaker 9: from a fever perspective, is almost the scariest. You typically
Speaker 9: think of that being your easiest round, but as you
Speaker 9: get into hopefully round two and hopefully into the finals,
Speaker 9: beating this team four times or beating this team three
Speaker 9: times is going to be extremely difficult. That first round
Speaker 9: series that's best of three, to me is almost the
Speaker 9: scariest one because there's a higher margin for error. But
Speaker 9: when you have Caitlin Clark and Kelsey Mitchell and Leah
Speaker 9: Boston beating that trio three or four times is going
Speaker 9: to be exceedingly difficult that they can get themselves into
Speaker 9: those scenario.
Speaker 10: We do not want to be in the four or
Speaker 10: five game. Sure, no, it cannot be there anywhere, but there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I also will allude to the fact that you know,
Speaker 2: taking time off is weird.
Speaker 10: For pace that could be an issue your conditioning, that
Speaker 10: is weird.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned the Pacers. You saw the Knicks win
Speaker 2: a title, an NBA title this year. The Pacers were
Speaker 2: not involved in that. Obviously off their nineteen win season,
Speaker 2: but what do they do? They affected their season by
Speaker 2: a just to what the Pacers had taught them the
Speaker 2: last two years. They fired their coach, brought in Mike Brown.
Speaker 2: He solidified the bench and made sure they had more
Speaker 2: bench support, and they were ready to play teams like
Speaker 2: the Pacers with a higher pace, and they utilized their bench,
Speaker 2: and they didn't wear down. Mike Brown didn't wear down
Speaker 2: that team. By Christmas, they were fresh and ready to
Speaker 2: go in the postseason. And to me, that was all
Speaker 2: aspects that the Pacers taught them in again that season
Speaker 2: in which they were out of it because they were
Speaker 2: compromised by injuries with nineteen wins.
Speaker 9: And I think we've had this conversation on your show before,
Speaker 9: but if you look at Stephanie White coach teams as well,
Speaker 9: this tends to be the trend. The twenty fifteen Indiana
Speaker 9: Fever were a win away from a WNBA championship. They
Speaker 9: nearly had a shocking upset of one of the greatest
Speaker 9: dynasties in WNBA history, the Minnesota Links, who had four Olympians.
Speaker 9: They got to the decisive game five on the shoulders
Speaker 9: of Tamika Catchings and on the shoulders of Stephanie White
Speaker 9: and some other good players. But they were not the
Speaker 9: same level of team as Minnesota was. But the point
Speaker 9: here is that team started three and six and ended
Speaker 9: up in a decisive Game five of the finals. And
Speaker 9: if you look at Stephanie White coached WNBA teams over
Speaker 9: the course of her albeit still fairly young WNBA career,
Speaker 9: the trajectory is always going like this by the end
Speaker 9: of the season, including last year's team. Last year's team
Speaker 9: lost Caitlyn Clark and then it took them, naturally a
Speaker 9: long time to figure out how to win without her,
Speaker 9: but then they're in overtime to go to the WNBA Finals.
Speaker 9: So I think that's one trend line of Stephanie White
Speaker 9: coach teams that you have to give her a ton
Speaker 9: of credit for is they don't always start well, but
Speaker 9: they tend to be playing this level of ball at
Speaker 9: the end of the year. That three weeks off is
Speaker 9: a little scary, I think if you're a Fever fan,
Speaker 9: because they're playing so well. But I was a little
Speaker 9: worried about All Star Break two, and they played great
Speaker 9: going into the All Star Break and played great coming
Speaker 9: out of it too.
Speaker 1: It's layers, It's what I said before.
Speaker 10: It's adding pieces slowly figuring out what you need with
Speaker 10: your personnel, what you're capable of doing, and sticking with
Speaker 10: some of the habits that you know are going to
Speaker 10: be pivotal to be able to win.
Speaker 3: I totally agree to your point about Leah Boston really
Speaker 3: kind of coming into that number four role. I mean,
Speaker 3: from your perspective, what are some of the things that
Speaker 3: some of the key things that you think she had
Speaker 3: to change about her game from shifting into that role.
Speaker 10: What do you think if you look at Eleiah Boston
Speaker 10: from her freshman year at the University of South Carolina
Speaker 10: and Dawn Staley won a championship with her, if you
Speaker 10: look at what she's become since I don't ever remember
Speaker 10: her dribbling the ball up the floor or doing anything
Speaker 10: but reversing it on the top of the floor offensively.
Speaker 10: They would bring her away from contact, diver back, and
Speaker 10: just overpower teams. Now, her fitness is at the best
Speaker 10: if you think about it, this is her fourth year
Speaker 10: in the league, so her fitness is where it needs
Speaker 10: to be to play the pace. She can shoot the three,
Speaker 10: which she couldn't do and didn't do. I mean, she
Speaker 10: just didn't do it in college. I don't know if
Speaker 10: she could or not, she may have taken a few.
Speaker 10: And I was there the game that she took her
Speaker 10: very first three in a college game against Connecticut in Columbia.
Speaker 1: I was calling that.
Speaker 10: Game, so I remember when she did it. But to
Speaker 10: watch her evolve and see how much time she's put
Speaker 10: in to be able to shoot the three, that changes everything.
Speaker 10: Now you remember Caitlin's rookie year, it was a lot
Speaker 10: of middle ball screen, middle third action, okay, because that's
Speaker 10: what Aleiah could do. And then basically she is only
Speaker 10: running free throw line to free throw line, okay. So
Speaker 10: you're asking her now to do a little bit of everything,
Speaker 10: and she has stepped up, and her fitness and her
Speaker 10: conditioning is the first place that I would would say.
Speaker 1: And then her her complete skill set.
Speaker 10: I mean she handles like a guard, She changes pace,
Speaker 10: she slices the floor, She does all the things that
Speaker 10: guards would do up the floor and transition, and for
Speaker 10: us six five women, we just don't have many that
Speaker 10: can do that.
Speaker 2: I just think about high ball screen action and kind
Speaker 2: of in terms of how Halliburton ran that with Miles here,
Speaker 2: but Leah Boston adds much many more layers in this case.
Speaker 2: But the high ball screen action where Kaylen Clark has
Speaker 2: the opportunity to dissect the defense with either her threat
Speaker 2: offensively or her incredible passing. And then when you think
Speaker 2: about Kelsey Mitchell being on the other side, those are
Speaker 2: the late closeouts we're talking about. I mean, you skip
Speaker 2: past it to Kelsey Mitchell and then you've got to
Speaker 2: really late close out with the help defense being out
Speaker 2: of position, and you would think that the other teams
Speaker 2: have no chance. Do we see enough of the high
Speaker 2: ball screen action because it seems like sometimes maybe I
Speaker 2: want a little bit more, But I think maybe I'm
Speaker 2: a little bit selfish in that category.
Speaker 10: I always want a little bit more with shooters in
Speaker 10: the corner, just because I think the way we're shooting
Speaker 10: the basketball right now from three Eleiah Boston leads the league,
Speaker 10: Sophie is second, and Kelsey is fourth, that we have
Speaker 10: three players that are top five in the league and
Speaker 10: shooting the three right now.
Speaker 1: So here's the other action that.
Speaker 10: I think is unguardable besides that, because now, where are
Speaker 10: you gonna help, where's the help gonna come from? How
Speaker 10: are you gonna guard the ball screen? What are you
Speaker 10: gonna do with a Liah she's more of a pop
Speaker 10: or a roll. She's like fifty to fifty now, and
Speaker 10: I think she likes to pop because she can make
Speaker 10: plays on the top of the floor. But when Indiana
Speaker 10: runs the wide pin down action where it's Boston, instead
Speaker 10: of going down the lane line to set the screen,
Speaker 10: they set the pin down wide and Kelsey is gonna
Speaker 10: get to her left hand.
Speaker 1: So if you top block.
Speaker 10: That, which means you sit on top of Kelsey so
Speaker 10: you cannot allow her to use the screen, then she
Speaker 10: ninety cuts you on the baseline and she's too fast.
Speaker 1: They're gonna score.
Speaker 10: And the other side of the floor has three shooters
Speaker 10: on it, so you can't pinch, and we got the
Speaker 10: defense of three second rules, so there's a lot of
Speaker 10: space now if Kelsey, if you let Kelsey use the screen,
Speaker 10: she is going to curl to the nail, and when
Speaker 10: she gets to the nail, she's either gonna going left,
Speaker 10: she's gonna pull them into the jumper, or she's gonna
Speaker 10: hit a Leah over the top for a pick and
Speaker 10: roll action. And we could run that all game, and
Speaker 10: I'm telling you, nobody's going.
Speaker 1: To stop that. You can't stop it. Yeah, No, I
Speaker 1: completely agree.
Speaker 2: I think when kaylink foks at her best, she's dissecting,
Speaker 2: looking for her own, hunting her own I think when
Speaker 2: teams get her, they get her like the third level,
Speaker 2: the third level of decision making. If it's not her
Speaker 2: looking for her own offense or her finding somebody else,
Speaker 2: when she has to stop and then pivot back, I
Speaker 2: think that's when the defense takes the advantage. I love
Speaker 2: the fact that they go at it and try to
Speaker 2: go at it so early offensively, every single possession.
Speaker 10: I mean in the first ten eight to ten seconds
Speaker 10: of the shot clock.
Speaker 1: There's usually a shot going up.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's fast, and it's hard to keep up with pat.
Speaker 1: It's so much pacial like. It really is pacial like.
Speaker 8: It's amazing.
Speaker 9: The parallels between the two teams are amazing. And the
Speaker 9: other thing I want to say about Aleah Boston is
Speaker 9: there's a level of selflessness to her game. Because of
Speaker 9: how well Kelsey Mitchell and Caitlin Clark can play a
Speaker 9: Leah Boston could go on another team and be a
Speaker 9: twenty point per game score and be the the center,
Speaker 9: focal point and all of that, but her willingness I
Speaker 9: think to at times take a half step back of
Speaker 9: what she's capable of. Because of what Kelsey Mitchell and
Speaker 9: Caitlin Clark are doing, I think needs to be noticed
Speaker 9: and spotlighted as well, because when you have three players
Speaker 9: like this, sometimes you see it work out great the
Speaker 9: Miami Heat. Sometimes you see it work out horribly. The
Speaker 9: recent Phoenix suns is the best example I can think of.
Speaker 9: It's working really well in part because everybody's willing to
Speaker 9: play a specific role, and oftentimes that's a little bit
Speaker 9: less than they're capable of.
Speaker 8: But for the betterment of the team.
Speaker 2: Can you believe the NBA put the Pacers on the
Speaker 2: road and Tyrish Holleverns return. Who did that? It's disappointing
Speaker 2: who did that in New Orleans of all places too?
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody gives two craps. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 9: If you could have said no, if you could have said,
Speaker 9: what's what is maybe the least pro file opening night
Speaker 9: you could have picked at New Orleans might be.
Speaker 2: Well, But think about this, the home opener. You're going
Speaker 2: to have Green County up in here with Dusty May
Speaker 2: There you.
Speaker 9: Go, there, you go to They were just waiting for
Speaker 9: your guy to come to the building and let me
Speaker 9: let me.
Speaker 1: Talk about guys. You guys better order more beer because
Speaker 1: home opener.
Speaker 8: Here's the deal.
Speaker 9: That first game that Tyrese Halliburton steps back on this
Speaker 9: floor right across the street, it's going to be special
Speaker 9: and it was going to be an event and a
Speaker 9: moment regardless of if it was game one, game three, whatever.
Speaker 8: So would you like to open it home?
Speaker 9: Of course, But to me, that moment doesn't lose any
Speaker 9: luster just because it's game two.
Speaker 2: So, Pat, what have you decided as far as your
Speaker 2: content provider? Have we decided that yet?
Speaker 5: Hopeful?
Speaker 1: Is that your decision? You know what?
Speaker 8: For some reason, they don't let me in the room.
Speaker 1: I haven't a text that he wanted to see. If
Speaker 1: you can, like give me an inside, but he hasn't.
Speaker 9: For good reason, they don't let me in the room.
Speaker 9: Eddie would probably be a good contact. I am hopeful
Speaker 9: that there will be information to be shared soon, but
Speaker 9: that would be for people that are smarter than me
Speaker 9: and know that.
Speaker 2: These next two years are some of the more impactful
Speaker 2: years that we have ever been around, this Pacer team,
Speaker 2: this organization, these next two years because there's a little
Speaker 2: bit after that, there's a little bit of money, a
Speaker 2: little bit of mystery, but these next two years are
Speaker 2: the ones. So I think everybody's banking on this team
Speaker 2: to be and accomplish ultimately what we had hoped it
Speaker 2: would have done the year before.
Speaker 8: Last, no question.
Speaker 9: And you know, go back quickly to the TV partner concept.
Speaker 9: You know, we've been so fortunate to share with WTHR
Speaker 9: here locally because that has given us a massive outlet
Speaker 9: for the Fever to be on and they are just
Speaker 9: tremendous partners and the Pacers have put games on WTHR
Speaker 9: as well, So that's been a tremendous partnership. And you're
Speaker 9: in a window here, You're in a window with both
Speaker 9: teams at the same time where you say, if things
Speaker 9: break your way, you've got realistic championship hopes. Now on
Speaker 9: the NBA, there's a lot of teams that feel that way,
Speaker 9: and frankly, there's probably more in the WNBA that there's
Speaker 9: ever been as well. I mean, I mean Washington is
Speaker 9: in eighth right now and they are only a couple
Speaker 9: games out of fourth. So both leagues have a lot
Speaker 9: of teams that feel that way. But you've got windows
Speaker 9: right now for both teams where I think they look
Speaker 9: at it, and they say, if we accomplish what we
Speaker 9: think we can accomplish, it means going back to the
Speaker 9: NBA Finals and winning one. It means going to the
Speaker 9: WNBA Finals and winning one. And you don't get those
Speaker 9: windows very often and rarely do they coincide with each
Speaker 9: other from a WNBA and an NBA perspective, and both
Speaker 9: teams will have a lot of work to get there,
Speaker 9: but both teams are firmly in those windows.
Speaker 2: We're trying to get everybody on board here the Fever
Speaker 2: of the Pacers and the Colts, because we need some winning.
Speaker 1: We need some consistency in winning right here.
Speaker 9: You know, I grew up and part of the reason
Speaker 9: I think I found this career is because I grew
Speaker 9: up in the perfect time to be a kid in Indianapolis.
Speaker 8: I'm a nineties kid.
Speaker 9: Pay I had Reggie Miller and the Pacers runs to
Speaker 9: the finals, and the Pacers Nicks and Pacers Bulls. I
Speaker 9: had Peyton Manning and we all know the Colts runs.
Speaker 9: Tamika Catchings comes into town in the early two thousands,
Speaker 9: and the Fever are consistently very very good, and they
Speaker 9: win a championship in twenty twelve, as well. I mean,
Speaker 9: it was the perfect time to be a kid here,
Speaker 9: and that's when you're at your biggest sports fandom. And
Speaker 9: so I always think of, you know, the kids now
Speaker 9: that are that are in the eight to fifteen window,
Speaker 9: and I hope.
Speaker 1: We're getting there. I feel like big ass losers. I think.
Speaker 2: I feel bad about that. But like the last ten years, Jesus,
Speaker 2: the Colts.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well the Pacers wor the Pacers. The Pacers run
Speaker 8: the finals.
Speaker 9: Recently, the Fever had this Caitlin Clark era that has
Speaker 9: brought in just a completely different, you know, level of
Speaker 9: interest to the The.
Speaker 1: Colts have to pick up the slack a little bit here.
Speaker 9: You know, we're saying, I am no Colts expert, but
Speaker 9: I am a Colts fan. So I hope that that continues.
Speaker 2: Well, I think everybody knows that all this is gonna
Speaker 2: be lumpd a meat bad.
Speaker 9: You're all good, That's what I'm trying to do it least,
Speaker 9: But I'm trying to get them going too, because we
Speaker 9: need that.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, the fans have been here for a while.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're kind of ready to back up what
Speaker 1: you're doing.
Speaker 2: The Pacers have done it and Hopefully they do it
Speaker 2: in the next two years, especially in the feverless season.
Speaker 8: And the Colts were doing it at the start of
Speaker 8: last year.
Speaker 9: I mean, that was really exciting to watch the beginning
Speaker 9: of that, and then injuries happened and some bad luck
Speaker 9: and all of that.
Speaker 8: So hopefully they can. You know, you're talking about another team.
Speaker 9: Hopefully you pick up now where you left off when
Speaker 9: things felt good.
Speaker 2: See in the voice of reasons, Pat Boiling right now exactly.
Speaker 2: That's why he's a great part keeps me out of trouble.
Speaker 2: All right, Do you mind, Debbie Antonelly, Pat Boiling here?
Speaker 2: Do you mind if I ask you about the pregame
Speaker 2: presser on Tuesday?
Speaker 1: Sure them Steph on the other side too, and we'll
Speaker 1: see if we will agree on that coming up next.
Speaker 2: Hey, we're a pivot Bar and balcony. Alex Lamantes, Pat Boiler,
Speaker 2: Wi Antonelli. We got a lot more for you till
Speaker 2: the top of the hour we go. We'd love to
Speaker 2: see you here before the wings and the fever. This
Speaker 2: is your destination. It is pivot Bar and Balcony. We'll
Speaker 2: come back, I'll give something away, We'll hang out and
Speaker 2: talk a little bit more. About hoop and whatever piques
Speaker 2: our interests. Coming up next ninety three to five one
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