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Speaker 1: Last night at the field House, Russell Westbrook, you better

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Speaker 1: leaves behind whatever it was that he put in his

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Speaker 1: water for Philip Rivers, because last night it was vintage

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Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook. You had a triple double. But the Pacers

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Speaker 1: did get the win, and they're starting to get contribution

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Speaker 1: from guys that you didn't even know who they were

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Speaker 1: three months ago, joining us now on the job of

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Speaker 1: the House. Peel and Port guest line from field House

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Speaker 1: files Scott Agnes to talk about the Pacers. Scott, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you heard, and maybe I've already introduced

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Speaker 1: it to you once or thrice, but have you heard

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Speaker 1: the new quaryism that I came up with empty calories? Guys,

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Speaker 1: have you heard this one yet?

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Speaker 2: I don't think I have yet.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So as you know, and these I did not

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Speaker 1: trademark because I've got enough trademark battles going on right

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Speaker 1: now with my legal.

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Speaker 2: Te I love it.

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Speaker 1: Good for you, But twenty twenty five guy, you know

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Speaker 1: that we've gone over that a lot. That is a

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Speaker 1: a twenty five win team for the majority of his career. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the other term that I have come up with is

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Speaker 1: now an empty calories guy, and that is a guy

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Speaker 1: that if you think about the post brawl Pacers, some

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Speaker 1: comes to mind. Okay, then you realize that they're just

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Speaker 1: empty calories. It's like when you're hungry and you go

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Speaker 1: You think to yourself like, oh wow, But then we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think mainly, Jake.

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Speaker 3: What they have done is make do with role players,

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Speaker 3: roles like I don't think Ethan Thompson, for example, is

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Speaker 3: one of your empty calorie guys. He's a guy that

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Speaker 3: hadn't got that opportunity but now has and in a

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Speaker 3: week has gone from two way contract to has never

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Speaker 3: and was impactful in those minutes.

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Speaker 2: Same thing with Garrison Matthews. He knows his role.

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Speaker 3: It's to knockdown shots and provide depth at that guard position.

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Speaker 3: And I thought last night was the epitome of what

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Speaker 3: offensively where you're looking for the big three with Bathen

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Speaker 3: And this team had one offensive rebound in the first half.

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Speaker 1: You know, Matthews is a guy that when I watch

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Speaker 3: I didn't think they probably signed him to a second

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Speaker 3: I think so. I think we've seen that over the

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Speaker 3: I have not seen starter potential, a guy that you

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Speaker 3: five rebounds, three blocks. I think that's exactly why they

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Speaker 1: You know, Scott, when I look Scott Agnes is my guest.

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Speaker 1: He's on the Java House Peel and poor guest line

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Speaker 1: like a big deal. It's cool. It's super fun to

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Speaker 2: I think it's been a missed opportunity.

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Speaker 3: I think the courts are so bad that it turns

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Speaker 3: It's too distracting. I think they get rid of the gimmicks.

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Speaker 3: it has a lot more validity. But right now, when

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Speaker 3: get that additional bonus money, I think that's far too.

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Speaker 2: Soon to do that.

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Speaker 3: And also you got to keep in mind you're going

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Speaker 2: But I do agree.

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Speaker 1: I think we were way.

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Speaker 3: More in tune and locked in on it because of

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Speaker 3: of years there's great intrigue about what is this and

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Speaker 3: why are they doing this, and what is this about?

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Speaker 3: Do players care? It turned out they did care about

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Speaker 3: the bonus money. It's great if your team can reach it.

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Speaker 3: If not, I think all the teams are grateful because

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Speaker 3: now they play about two games in the next ten

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Speaker 3: get back to practice, because already it's sad. Teams have

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Speaker 1: Some of that time. Man, I'll tell you what. The

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Speaker 1: courts are terrible, right, awful? I mean, honestly, Scott, there

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Speaker 3: NBA finals? Jake, you watch the NBA Finals. There's no

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Speaker 3: I think they've come out and since that all right,

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Speaker 1: I tell you Kurt Gerald's is s filling in for Eddie.

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Speaker 1: If if you have his number, Scott, wish him good luck.

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Speaker 1: I hooked up Eddie with a marketing deal here. He's

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Speaker 1: But Kurt Gerald's when Scott just said that, you literally

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, because I missed the NBA finals courts that

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Speaker 1: The Scott, aren't they retarding it? Yes?

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Speaker 2: That was one of the many things that have changed.

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Speaker 3: We've also seen some of the national broadcasters lean into

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you, Scott Agnes, the judge and jury

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Speaker 2: You would only have eighty of eighty two games that

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so I'm I was wrong about this. I

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Speaker 2: Only if you love doing I don't think it would

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Speaker 3: If you like to experience new venues, new sites, I'm

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Speaker 3: Pfizer Reform is really the center hub for all that stuff, so.

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Speaker 1: That they've got a Christmas market one of those deals

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Speaker 2: How was your other last big trip?

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Speaker 1: We went to Vienna and Munich. I went to Vienna,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was such a good idea. And I feel

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Speaker 1: But Munich blew me away, Scott. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: Friday in Philly is up next. All of it will

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Speaker 1: be covered at Fieldhouse Files with Scott Agnes who's on

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Speaker 1: the Java House, ap Peel and poor guest line. Scott

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Speaker 1: appreciated as always, Man you bet, Thank you, Jake,