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Speaker 1: Let my name is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there?

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Speaker 1: Have you ran into these people on Facebook? The delete

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Speaker 1: me from your friends? If you think if he's shooting

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota was justified by ice? Oh god, the delete me? Now, people,

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Speaker 1: we can't be friends, like being friends with you on

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Speaker 1: Facebook is some sort of reward, right. I saw this

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Speaker 1: what you saw and what I saw might be different,

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Speaker 1: But do you have to be so again sanctimonioush right,

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Speaker 1: delete me because it's a privilege for you to be

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Speaker 2: There are former co workers of ours, oh boy, that

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Speaker 2: are so full of themselves. They feel like the world

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Speaker 2: is going to change if they are no longer friends

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Speaker 2: with somebody. Like the ego of some of these people,

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Speaker 2: it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: And these same people are the ones that thought the

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Speaker 1: cop that shot Ashley Babbet on January sixth was a hero,

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Speaker 1: an unarmed military veteran. On January sixth, that cop that

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Speaker 1: shot her hero put up on a pedestal. Right, And

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Speaker 1: yet this chick in Minneapolis, obviously from my vantage point

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Speaker 1: and to a lot of people's vantage point, tried to

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Speaker 1: run over that ICE cop before she turned the wheel right.

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Speaker 2: If you are there to be an antagonist to the police,

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Speaker 2: which is what she was doing prior to the shooting.

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Speaker 2: Her whole reason for being there was to be an

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Speaker 2: and you tried to flee, and that includes almost running

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Speaker 2: over a member of law enforcement. I got news for you,

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Speaker 2: whether it's Ice, whether it's a member of the police department,

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Speaker 2: the state police, whether it's a member of the military.

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Speaker 2: You try to run over law enforcement or give the

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Speaker 2: stuff's gonna happen to you.

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Speaker 3: And that's what happened in Minnesota. And that's and that's.

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Speaker 1: Why I can't fathom people just all out making a

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Speaker 1: decision like this, People like their governor Tim Walls, old Bulls,

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls, sorry his real name going.

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Speaker 3: That's all his birth certificate.

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Speaker 1: I believe pretty much every Democrat in Congress, anybody on

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Speaker 1: social media saying it's just just awful, violent rhetoric against ice.

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Speaker 1: This is this is tends to what what happens to

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Speaker 1: two people it gets in their head. They think it's okay.

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Speaker 1: Ice is coming for you. Ice is is going to

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean something in the sopranos.

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Speaker 1: So so what do you expect these people? I mean,

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Speaker 1: if lawmakers are encouraging this kind of rhetoric, then expects

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Speaker 1: stuff like this to happen. This woman in Pa eating

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Speaker 1: progress for the police for ICE to get through. I

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Speaker 1: think that we're on some sort of pursuit or something.

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Speaker 1: She pulls out in front of them. They told her

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Speaker 1: reverse and then throws it in drive, and there's an

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Speaker 1: by the way, they weren't drawn. If you noticed that,

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Speaker 1: it hurt them walking up to that car hammer.

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Speaker 2: They were yelling at her, yes, to cooperate, yeah, and

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Speaker 3: And again, I'm sorry, somebody died. Believe it or not,

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Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking.

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Speaker 3: I really am.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm very much somebody that likes it when bad

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Speaker 2: people die. I don't know if this woman was a

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Speaker 2: surprised that it happened. Like you do that to any

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Speaker 1: That's tragic, But what do you think is going to happen?

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Speaker 3: That's the question.

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Speaker 2: There was a witness, one of the first witnesses to

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Speaker 2: and I feel like she's somebody that probably doesn't like

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Speaker 2: ice being in her neighborhood. But at the same time,

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Speaker 4: Because she was the main car leading the protest, is

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it looked like she was impeding ice vehicles, definitely, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And there are multiple angles of what took place. Because

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Speaker 2: one angle looks like one thing, that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 2: in a rare moment of fair broadcasting, NBC News had

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Speaker 3: This is an unmarked vehicle, but the lights are on.

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Speaker 6: These are clearly members of law enforcement, so that's at

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Speaker 5: Let's play the video because something else happens right here.

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Speaker 5: Those officers approach the vehicle, they try to open the

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Speaker 3: How will this help the investigators?

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Speaker 6: Whatever is said here, what these officers say, if the

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Speaker 6: whether or not they thought there was some sort of

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Speaker 3: Was this person trying to listen to them? Were they scared?

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Speaker 3: Or is this going to be a problem? And then,

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Speaker 6: Let's play that video trying to leave their One of

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Speaker 6: the officers felt like they were forced to.

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Speaker 5: We want to show another angle, reverse angle of the

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Speaker 3: Here, we're going to freeze it.

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Speaker 6: This is that same angle here, and what is this show?

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Speaker 6: As Tom Well, this appears to show an officer right

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Speaker 3: Going to be critical for investigators?

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Speaker 2: And Nudge that was NBC. Wow, that wasn't Fox, that

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Speaker 1: Nobody else admitted that she was trying to block traffic

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Speaker 2: To go back to something you said earlier, and I

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Speaker 2: so many of these politicians, media members too, but politicians

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Speaker 2: That's what Scott Jennings was talking about on CNN last night.

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Speaker 5: We are undergoing an epidemic of political vigilanteism right now.

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Speaker 5: Why are people showing up in vehicles in convoys, not

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Speaker 5: just in Minneapolis, but all over the country in an

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Speaker 5: not an isolated incident. We have had hundreds of car

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Speaker 5: This lady in this car today, along with other vehicles,

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Speaker 5: had been tracking ICE agents around. Why are people believing

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Speaker 5: enforcement situation and that is an appropriate thing to do.

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Speaker 5: I understand they don't like the fact that these agents

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Speaker 5: are enforcing existing immigration law, but that's not how we

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Speaker 5: change laws in this country. If you don't like a law,

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Speaker 5: you talk to the politicians. You don't drive your car

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Speaker 5: situation that's being occupied by the people who are simply

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Speaker 5: much the IRS is charging me in taxes, I don't

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Speaker 3: Congress her Exactly.

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Speaker 5: Political vigilanteism is being encouraged by Democratic officials like the

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Speaker 5: Lieutenant governor of Minnesota, Peggy Flanagan, who earlier this year

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Speaker 5: told people to quote put your bodies on the line,

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Speaker 5: and Tim Walls calling these guys gestapo all year. What

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Speaker 5: do you think happens when you radicalize a base of people.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't exactly what I was talking about earlier, hammer exactly.

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Speaker 2: That tax analogy is so spot on. Just because you

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Speaker 2: don't like something that is the law or the way

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Speaker 2: that it is doesn't give you a green light to

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Speaker 1: By the way, I just want to be clear, I

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Speaker 1: don't think I don't think she deserved to die. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just because you commit a crime doesn't mean you deserve

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Speaker 1: to die, Right, depends on the level of the crime

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Sure, I can't even say if it was

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Well, look at those ice agents in Minnesota. How many

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Speaker 2: times they've had people try to run over them or

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Speaker 3: What are they supposed to think?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: I heard a report yesterday, and I don't know if

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Speaker 3: A vehicle YEP this year heard it too.

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Speaker 2: So when you've got old balls Tim Walls and that

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Speaker 2: lunatic little scrappydoo of a mayor in Minneapolis, Jacob Frye,

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Speaker 2: the little guy trying to be Johnny tough guy up there.

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Speaker 2: They're fanning the flames, getting this big, raging inferno going

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Speaker 2: think I sure the Gestapo. It's a ridiculous situation. And again,

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Speaker 2: delete me now, guy on Facebook, get over yourself. I

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Speaker 2: don't know how I'm gonna survive not being digital friends

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Speaker 2: on a yearbook boy. Oh boy, you really got me there,

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Speaker 2: Trapper John. I don't know how I'm gonna survive former

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Speaker 2: news anchors at WIBC. I guess I'll be okay real

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