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Speaker 1: I'm telling you there's a ride called the Blizzard, and

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Speaker 2: Or kind of like if you're going down County Line

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Speaker 1: Greenwood, that's right on big Hill Fantasy Draft. But when

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Speaker 1: number of different outlets talking pacers and fever Tony. How

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Speaker 3: It was wonderful. Our loop is mostly like we pick

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we went Funny you mentioned food, we went.

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Speaker 1: We always start at the beer thing, right, We get

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Speaker 3: No, we had that last year. It's it's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, when you were in Rome, if you want

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Speaker 3: No official anything right, And I think that's what they

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Speaker 3: I mean, the playoff field is tight. They're like equally

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Speaker 3: see how these dynamics push and pull. She still hasn't

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Speaker 3: That's a good opportunity to in theory, ramp a player

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Speaker 3: But I obviously don't know if she's ready for that.

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Speaker 3: But I'm purely speculating. When I say those things, it

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to go other side here, Okay, contrarian thought,

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Speaker 1: because of the fact that not and I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: Kaitlin Clark's not a critically important player for the Fever.

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Speaker 3: That is possible. I mean, here's the tricky part of

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Speaker 3: this season, like just looks so good that you know, youever,

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Speaker 3: like Kaitlyn talked about championship expectations, like they've beaten every

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Speaker 3: not if you're daring to do that, you'd want Kaitlyn

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Speaker 3: totally understand where you're coming from. The Standings are so

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Speaker 3: off in a conference finals run for that Pacers team. Right,

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Speaker 3: So I do understand what you're saying, but I wonder

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Speaker 1: It the other way almost, Tony, do you? Tony East

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Speaker 1: But have they have they managed to massage the way

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Speaker 1: they're doing things based on the players available or are

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Speaker 1: they asking the players available to massage to the way

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Speaker 3: mean that it's like a cop out to your question,

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Speaker 3: I was bummed we couldn't get two more days of

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Speaker 1: It, you know, the Tony, it's so funny you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Which pacer player Tony, do you feel like is the

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Speaker 3: Challenge of expansion. I mean, Aaron Neismith is so good

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I don't know how you feel, but

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Speaker 3: Huff You know, I think probably those.

434
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Speaker 1: But yeah, he's so good at where you know what

435
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like.

436
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, Well, part of part

437
00:19:58,359 --> 00:19:59,919
Speaker 3: of what made him better for the Pacers than I

438
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,239
Speaker 3: expected is that he's been a much better shooter than

439
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,080
Speaker 3: he was with the Knicks. Like that's big. The other

440
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 3: thing is like when he got here, remember everybody's talking

441
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 3: about how good he'll be playing with Haliburton, Like he's

442
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 3: found ways to be good playing without Haliburton, right with McConnell,

443
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,879
Speaker 3: with bench groups, with with whatever, and that like that

444
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,159
Speaker 3: malleability has been really big for Obie top and to

445
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 3: be a more well rounded player that it's not required

446
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 3: that he plays with this passer to be a play finisher,

447
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,640
Speaker 3: Like he can run around and provide enough offensive juice

448
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,439
Speaker 3: and even with his defensive limitations, he can be, you know,

449
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 3: an impact player. That's been really big for the team.

450
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 3: And so guys do wonder what that'll look like for him?

451
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 5: Right?

452
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 3: Can he keep like he's had to keep scaling up

453
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, he was playing their fifth most minutes

454
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 3: per game, sometimes fourth most. Sometimes he was pretty good

455
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,679
Speaker 3: in a postseason setting, and now he might have to

456
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 3: even keep doing more like when their season turned around

457
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 3: last year in December, he was playing a lot of center,

458
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 3: Like that was around the time that Thomas Bryan trade

459
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 3: Moses Brown's in and out. They don't have anybody like

460
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,199
Speaker 3: they needed him to play some center and he did it.

461
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Speaker 3: Can he play that more this year? Do they want

462
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 3: him to do?

463
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Speaker 4: That?

464
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Speaker 3: Actually make sense?

465
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Speaker 5: You know?

466
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Speaker 3: These are questions to answer because that was a figure out.

467
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 3: How good Isaiah Jackson and jf are.

468
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Speaker 1: What was the best thing about Rome?

469
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Speaker 4: Oh?

470
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Speaker 3: Man? Can I say wine? Can I say cheap wine

471
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Speaker 3: on the radio? Is that sure?

472
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 1: Why not?

473
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Speaker 3: Yeah? It's awesome. And that's like the biggest difference is,

474
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 3: like I don't know how you feel about this, Like

475
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 3: almost culturally here you don't want to buy crappy wine

476
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 3: or like cheap wine when you go somewhere like seven

477
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Speaker 3: yuar of wine in Rome is really good?

478
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Speaker 1: Is that that boon farm? Do you get the Boonze

479
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: farm for that?

480
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Speaker 4: Uh?

481
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember exactly what it was called, but

482
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Speaker 3: that actually does sound like words that I heard.

483
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Speaker 1: So now you ready for this? I'm allergic to wine?

484
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 4: Oh no, yep.

485
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Speaker 3: Well, the other thing about Rome that's like Paris adjacent

486
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Speaker 3: but not quite as like the grandness of it is, like, okay,

487
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 3: pick any one monument in downtown Rome, go to it.

488
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 3: Then just walk any direction and every two or three

489
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 3: blocks you'll find another one. Right, Like there's some crazy

490
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 3: church or like building with pillars that are you know,

491
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Speaker 3: eighty feet tall or so it's just like stunning every

492
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Speaker 3: direction you go. It's awesome. And obviously the call see

493
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 3: him in the Vatican are fantastic. It's very touristy in

494
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 3: a good way, like it's it's the kind of touristy

495
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 3: stuff I like, or its like you cannot see this

496
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 3: anywhere else and it's it's very cool.

497
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Speaker 1: So basically you can go there and just kind of

498
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Speaker 1: roam around, right.

499
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 3: Can I hang out?

500
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Speaker 1: Okay? Last question between between Paris, Barcelona and Rome, and

501
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 1: this is such an American question it's almost embarrassing. But

502
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: the reality is when you travel, if anybody is thinking

503
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: about going to those places, this is something to consider

504
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: the amount of English. Which of the three did you

505
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Speaker 1: have the least language barrier?

506
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Speaker 3: Well, I am minored in Spanish for a while, so

507
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 3: that's not like perfectly fair, so I could like understand

508
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 3: when other people were saying there, but I think the

509
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 3: best English speakers were probably in Paris, which is really

510
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 3: interesting to me, Like the people in Italy could speak English,

511
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 3: but it sounded worse, if that makes sense, right.

512
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I found in Paris, despite the stereotype of the

513
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: French people, everybody says, oh, they're so rude anywhere that

514
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: I went Tony. I think I told you this, if

515
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Speaker 1: you simply greet them in their native language, ninety percent

516
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,239
Speaker 1: of the time they're like they would you know, they

517
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 1: would say monsieur back or mas suis back and then say,

518
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Speaker 1: by the way, I speak English, and they were at

519
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: that point they were wonderful. I thought they were great.

520
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Speaker 3: Totally agree with that, or just like you say thank

521
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 3: you in their language, right, like like figure out the

522
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 3: easy words you're going to be saying every day and

523
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 3: just be nice right the other But now that I'm

524
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Speaker 3: thinking about it, we did the I can't ever say

525
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Speaker 3: it right mon March whatever it's called Mamatz However you

526
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 3: say that part of Paris.

527
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Speaker 1: The big area on the hill.

528
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, when we went up there, our tour guide

529
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Speaker 3: spoke English, but she was from was she was from

530
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Speaker 3: like Scotland area, so she obviously spoke at English. So

531
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Speaker 3: that's not really now I'm thinking about it's not really fair. Listen,

532
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 3: it's very it's very close between all those.

533
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: Honestly, one of the hardest places to understand the natives

534
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Speaker 1: in Europe that I have found in Scotland. I mean,

535
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: it's like, can you slow down please, It's unbelievable.

536
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 3: She was from Scotland, left home to be a somalier

537
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 3: in France and was our food tour guide. It was

538
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Speaker 3: like the most interesting person of.

539
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Speaker 1: Food tour guide. A food tour guide I food.

540
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Speaker 3: If you go to Europe, that's my big, biggest suggestion,

541
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Speaker 3: you'll want to do all the tourist stuff. Do a

542
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 3: food tour. It's the best.

543
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Speaker 1: I had a food tour guide once on Rockville Road.

544
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Speaker 1: It was just nothing, but like, here's Windeezer's quiz Nos,

545
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Speaker 1: there's a Blent Piece, there's seven ie hops.

546
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Speaker 3: We were talking about that were like, if we came

547
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Speaker 3: to Indy, could we even do a food tour?

548
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, go to Milwaukee. They got free burgers because

549
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: the brewers won twelve ar Oh, there's a food tour

550
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Speaker 1: all right. Tony Appreciated Food Tour at the State Fair

551
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: by the way, still available. Tony East Food tour, but

552
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: just make sure you get early for the egg rolls.

553
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Speaker 1: Appreciate it, Tony. Thanks for having guys Tony East joining

554
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Speaker 1: us on the program just the other days. Speaking of roaming,

555
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: it's when I was roaming through a record store in

556
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: California that I learned of Jeff Rabjohn's appreciation for prints

557
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: of the Revolution. I still have a Purple Rain album

558
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: on vinyl for rab Johns that I've got to get

559
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: to him and would happily meet up with him to

560
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: do so, because I always enjoy seeing him and talking

561
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: to him, which is why he joins us on the program. Now,

562
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: Jeff Rabjohn's, of course, you see his work. You read

563
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: his work covering Indiana basketball from really the inside when

564
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: you think about it, with Peaks dot Com and Indiana

565
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: just got done playing three games Jeff down in San Juan,

566
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico and went three to zero. And it seemed

567
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: to me, now, I'm going to give you outside observation,

568
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: and you tell me if it's a fair statement for

569
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: a team that is still trying to figure out, you know,

570
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: getting to know one another. Because of the fact that

571
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: this the way this roster was assembled with Indiana, I

572
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: thought this was a really important three games, because not

573
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: only are you trying to find out who each other

574
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: are on the floor, but I thought they were actually

575
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: tested by I don't know how good the teams were,

576
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: but the teams put them. You know, they had three

577
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: games where they were put in adverse situations and had

578
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: to kind of collectively come together and win all three

579
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: of those games and coming from behind. And I think

580
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: that goes a long way just in terms of chemistry

581
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: and understanding of one another. Is that a fair assessment

582
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: of what took place for IU.

583
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 5: Overall? I would say I think it's generally fair. I

584
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 5: would say in two games they were tested the first one.

585
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: Well they won one of them.

586
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 5: You have a big time, right, Yeah, But to your jen,

587
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 5: I think your general point is right. The only canveyon

588
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 5: I would throw in is that, like you know, Indiana didn't.

589
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 4: Practice while they were down there.

590
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 5: This was about play the games, and you boys go

591
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 5: out and have some fun and go jet skiin and

592
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 5: go kayaking and go snoricallying and have some fun and

593
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 5: really get to know each other when you don't have

594
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 5: the distractions.

595
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 4: Of campus life around you.

596
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 5: So in some of those situations, you know, you know

597
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 5: they didn't do film session. They didn't do any of that.

598
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 5: It was we're going to play the games. And they

599
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 5: did experiment with lineups a little bit, especially in the

600
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 5: first two games. You can see lineups and you look

601
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 5: at it and go, Okay, this is one of those

602
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 5: things where a coach is going, I want five minutes,

603
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 5: four minutes of these guys on the floor to see

604
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 5: what it looks like. That way, when we get back,

605
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 5: I can watch it on film and decide do I

606
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 5: want to mess with this lineup come you know, fall

607
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 5: practice or not. And I think that's one of the

608
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 5: reasons they fell behind by twenty in the two games

609
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 5: against Mega Superbat and Mega Superbat used to be KK

610
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 5: Megabats get super Bets sponsorship, same program. Uh, you know,

611
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 5: Joker came out of that program. It's been a legit

612
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 5: program for years now. And you know they had Milwaukee

613
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 5: Bucks second round drast pick. They had another kid who

614
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 5: played d one played at the University of Georgia. They

615
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 5: got two other guys who have high major offers, one

616
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 5: of whom would have been in college this year, but

617
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 5: he decided to stay in Europe one more year try

618
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 5: to drive up his NIL price. So they had some

619
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 5: legit talent. The only thing they really didn't have. They

620
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 5: didn't have like the big time center you find on

621
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 5: the top level college basketball teams in the States. But

622
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 5: they had skill and they had six nine, six, ten,

623
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 5: six eleven on the front line. Their point guard again

624
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 5: played at Georgia last year.

625
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 4: They had skill.

626
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 5: But I think to me, the biggest takeaway for Indiana

627
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 5: is the shot charts. Trevor Andershot who works for US

628
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 5: at peaks dot com, he does shot charts for every

629
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 5: IU basketball game and those shot charts, to me, were

630
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 5: my far number one takeaway Indiana's running modern offense through

631
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 5: the first two exhibition games, I use shot seventy five

632
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 5: to three pointers and only five two pointers.

633
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 4: That were outside the paint, So it was.

634
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 5: Three and dries and threes and cuts, threes and attack

635
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 5: the paint. That's basically the model for a chance and

636
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 5: modern efficient offense, shots in the paint and threes. Mike Woodson,

637
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 5: for reasons still no one understands, emphasized long twos, and

638
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 5: I you have shot charts during his tenure where there

639
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 5: were more long twos taken than threes, and it was

640
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 5: just you look at it and you went what is

641
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 5: the point of this. Nobody still knows, but anyway that's

642
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 5: now over. Devrees is in. You look at those shot charts,

643
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 5: and for me that was the number one thing, the

644
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 5: fact that it's about threes and drives, cuts to the paint.

645
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 5: It's a modern offense, and there were so many times

646
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 5: that take a video clip, you know, and then you know,

647
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 5: you hit pause at some point and the lane is

648
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 5: completely open.

649
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 4: There's opportunity for.

650
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 5: Any one of the five guys to cut, any one

651
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 5: of the five guys to drive, any one of the

652
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Speaker 5: five guys who's had a screen for a teammate and

653
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Speaker 5: have them drive.

654
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Speaker 4: So to me, that was the biggest takeaway.

655
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Speaker 5: We got to see at least the idea of how

656
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Speaker 5: does Indiana want to play uner Dan.

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Speaker 1: De Breze, I realize that Tucker Divrees, Jeff Jeff rab

658
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Speaker 1: Johnson is our guest de Tucker Devrees is the guy

659
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Speaker 1: that comes in with the pedigree of you know, big

660
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Speaker 1: time score, a Conference Player of the Year. I mean,

661
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: he's a big time talent and seemingly is going to

662
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Speaker 1: be the guy that most Indiana offensive sets are going through.

663
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Speaker 1: But from what I read and from what I'm able

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Speaker 1: to just kind of tell. And then in things that

665
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Speaker 1: I've watched, it feels to me like Lamar Wilkerson has

666
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Speaker 1: kind of an Alpha about him. In other words, he

667
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Speaker 1: might not be the leading scorer every game, he might

668
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Speaker 1: not be the guy that jumps out at you every game,

669
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Speaker 1: but everything indirectly from his teammates kind of goes through him,

670
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Speaker 1: just in terms of tempo or tone. Am I off base?

671
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Speaker 5: No, And I think another thing about Lamar is that

672
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Speaker 5: he's gonna have pretty much the ultimate green light. When

673
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Speaker 5: I asked Devrez about Lamar down there in Puerto Rico,

674
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Speaker 5: he even said something along the lines of, I don't

675
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Speaker 5: care if he goes one for eight team because he

676
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Speaker 5: may turn around and go eighteam for eight gam The

677
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 5: streets aren't going to be that extreme, but he legitimately

678
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 5: could go like zero for five in the first half

679
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 5: five for six and the second half from three.

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Speaker 4: And he's one of those.

681
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Speaker 5: Guys for whom the shooting, while it can be streaky,

682
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Speaker 5: if it's a good.

683
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Speaker 4: Streak, he can win you a game.

684
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Speaker 5: And again certain teams, if you're not scoring well from

685
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Speaker 5: three point range, you're not winning the game anyway. So

686
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Speaker 5: there's really no reason to tell him to stop shooting.

687
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Speaker 5: So I think he's probably in line to be the

688
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Speaker 5: second leading scorer.

689
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Speaker 4: And I like the fact that there were.

690
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Speaker 5: Stretches where he didn't make sense and he never hesitated. Now,

691
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Speaker 5: I don't make anything of the individual shooting numbers or

692
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Speaker 5: the individual stats maybe outside of assists for this reason

693
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Speaker 5: those one day before one game, the guys were out

694
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Speaker 5: kayaking in the wind in the sun.

695
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Speaker 4: Okay, they're not going to be out.

696
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Speaker 5: Kayaking on game day when the game counts. So I

697
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Speaker 5: really don't put anything in the alson.

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Speaker 4: People are making a big deal about let's dive into

699
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Speaker 4: the stats. I'm not diving the stance. I've looked at him.

700
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Speaker 5: I got them all on my laptop. They don't mean

701
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Speaker 5: a thing, they mean absolutely nothing. But I do think

702
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Speaker 5: it was telling that Lamar never hesitated, whether they were

703
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 5: going in or not going in anything, like the fact

704
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 5: that his team kept going to him. It wasn't like, Okay,

705
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 5: you know, we got to run something else. It was like, no,

706
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Speaker 5: we want to get shots from for Lamar. We're gonna

707
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 5: keep getting shots for Lamar. Lamar, You're gonna keep taking

708
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Speaker 5: the shots. And he did, and I think he's probably

709
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Speaker 5: in line to be a second leading score.

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Speaker 1: Who else, Jeff Jeff rab John's our guest. I mean, obviously,

711
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Speaker 1: Trent Sisley is a guy from Indiana high school basketball

712
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Speaker 1: that we are familiar with, and there was a lot

713
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Speaker 1: of expectation about him. They got a late Serbian addition

714
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Speaker 1: to the roster that I think is intriguing. But I'll

715
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Speaker 1: kind of give you the floor here to let us

716
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Speaker 1: know of some really and I'm not talking necessarily fifth

717
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Speaker 1: year transfer guys, young rooted players for Indiana that to

718
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Speaker 1: you you looked at and said, Okay, I get it.

719
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Speaker 1: These are the guys now that you're hoping stick around

720
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Speaker 1: for a while, and then Indiana grows with Yeah.

721
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think Trent Sisley's probably the only one

722
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Speaker 5: that you can really point to right now, only because Alexaistic,

723
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Speaker 5: who is the Serbian guard who was playing then in

724
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Speaker 5: Puerto Rico, He's only been with the team for a

725
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Speaker 5: couple of days.

726
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Speaker 4: So and the reason even mentioned after the game.

727
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Speaker 5: You know, because he played him twenty some minutes in

728
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Speaker 5: one game and I was just surprised you got that

729
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 5: kind of time. And he said, basically, look, Jeff, all,

730
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Speaker 5: it doesn't you know, speed up his process. He doesn't

731
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Speaker 5: know the terminology. No, we probably couldn't play him if

732
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Speaker 5: the game's counted. No, he doesn't even understand where he's going. Yeah,

733
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Speaker 5: when I was bringing him over the sideline, I was

734
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Speaker 5: actually have to try and tell him, Hey, when I

735
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Speaker 5: call this, it means ABC and D okay. So he

736
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 5: got he got a chance to be a solid player.

737
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Speaker 5: I think in time, but he's just not ready yet

738
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Speaker 5: because he just hasn't had any time on the court,

739
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Speaker 5: doesn't on terminology. Transiously, I thought played really well. He's

740
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 5: around six seven. His senior year at Montberg High School

741
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Speaker 5: gave him an opportunity to play every day in practice

742
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 5: and in games against other guys who are going to

743
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Speaker 5: be high major college basketball players, and that really accelerated

744
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 5: his development. He's always been a tough guy, willing to

745
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 5: go in and get rebounds. But the thing that really

746
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 5: changed is, you know, his his three point shooting. He

747
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 5: can really space the floor now. He was really good

748
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 5: with the corner three, made a number of times against

749
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Speaker 5: against Mega super Bad.

750
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Speaker 4: And then the ability to.

751
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Speaker 5: Make that corner three means he can play gives him

752
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 5: the opportunity to play more minutes because that gives him

753
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 5: a clearly defined offensive threat role where he can score

754
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 5: from there and he create space from there, because if

755
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Speaker 5: he wasn't going to be a guy who could hit

756
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 5: three pointers, then all of a sudden, the other team's

757
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 5: going to really sag off of a freshman as a

758
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 5: non shooter, and the space you get on offense to

759
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 5: take the space you get an offense, all of a

760
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 5: sudden becomes a lot more congested, stiffly out there. Making

761
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 5: those threes changes that. And I'm not saying it's all

762
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 5: of a sudden going to make him a starter, but

763
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Speaker 5: but it gives him a far better chance to play

764
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Speaker 5: meaningful minutes against le jit opponents.

765
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Speaker 4: There's no question he's going to play in some of

766
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 4: the by games, no question at all.

767
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Speaker 5: But he is really his year at Montbird playing on

768
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 5: the eybl slastic circuit that really accelerated his progress. And

769
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Speaker 5: then I think that gives him a chance to guy

770
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Speaker 5: who's who's gonna play as far as other guys, I

771
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Speaker 5: think you're you know, Taton conner Way, I think.

772
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Speaker 4: Starts at point guard. He was I used best player

773
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Speaker 4: against pressure, uh So I think that clearly signals he

774
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 4: is highly likely to be the starting point guard in fact,

775
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Speaker 4: I think it would be a huge surprise if he's

776
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 4: not the starting point guard.

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Speaker 1: He's to transfer from Troy Right, Yeah.

778
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Speaker 5: He's a transfer tru Connor en Wright's the other guy,

779
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 5: has a chance to play a point guard, and they

780
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 5: started them. They started the two point guards together. It'll

781
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 5: be down there in Puerto Rico. It'll be interesting to

782
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 5: see if that's something you can do during the regular season.

783
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 5: You could do it in buy games where you're still

784
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 5: going to have an athletic advantage. If you don't have

785
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 5: the athletic advantage.

786
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Speaker 4: You would.

787
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 5: If you're going to start en Right and and connor

788
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 5: Way together, they're gonna need to be able to hit shots.

789
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 5: And if they don't, I think that gets a little dicey.

790
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 5: I think whenever Nick Dorn gets healthy, I think he's

791
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 5: the guy you kind of look at Joky. He's another

792
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 5: guy who can make shots.

793
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 4: He's a little bigger, you know, he's a potential starter.

794
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 5: And then you know, I think same Alexis and then

795
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 5: read Bailey are the two main guys you're probably going

796
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 5: to see on the inside. Read Bailey transferred from Davidson.

797
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 5: I think the interesting thing about read.

798
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Speaker 4: Bailey's his ability to.

799
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 5: Grab the ball off the board immediately start up court,

800
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 5: and his ability to pass in the half court.

801
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 4: From the baseline, from the wing, and from up top.

802
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 5: That means you've got a six to nine guy who

803
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 5: you can put it a lot of different spots in

804
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 5: the floor and a run off sense through him that

805
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 5: makes him pretty intriguing.

806
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 4: Sam alexis a little more.

807
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 5: Of the traditional type, you know, uh, slash the basket,

808
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 5: slash to the block, make it catch, make a post

809
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 5: move kind of player.

810
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 4: But when you when you.

811
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Speaker 5: Think about top seven or eight, I think those are

812
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 5: probably be the key guys that you think of as

813
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 5: far as who's healthy right now, who's playing right now,

814
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 5: and who's likely to play in meaningful games.

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Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, Jeff rab John's our guestpeaks dot com, where

816
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: you can read his work talking about Indiana basketball defensively,

817
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: what does their potential look like from a defensive standpoint

818
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: as a basketball team.

819
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 4: I think, I You're gonna have to be really good

820
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 4: on the ball. They're gonna have to be really.

821
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 5: Good in gaps because they just, excuse me, they don't

822
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 5: have that shot blocker and nobody's going to magically, you know,

823
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 5: go from six to ten wingspan to a seven foot

824
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 5: six wings fan, So it's going to have to be

825
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 5: a little bit more like how they defended when Dari

826
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 5: Debrees is coaching at West Virginia, you know that they

827
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 5: had a pretty good team. They pulled some upsets six

828
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 5: foot eight of money hands, very starting at center, and

829
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 5: the reason was primarily ball pressure and how they play

830
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 5: in the gaps and don't let anybody get anything easy.

831
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Speaker 5: So I think those are the things that they're going

832
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 5: to have to do defensively. Again, when you don't have

833
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 5: a shot blocker, there are some things that you're just

834
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 5: going to struggle against, and there might be some times

835
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 5: they just have to sort of outscore somebody, meaning their

836
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 5: offense is going to have to be better than the

837
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 5: other team's.

838
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 4: Offense in a given night.

839
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Speaker 5: I think there's a real chance you see some you know,

840
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 5: some ninety to eighty five type games for Indiana this year.

841
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: Love it, love it gonna be fun to watch and

842
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: a lot of new faces, but appreciate the explanation on

843
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: all of them. Jeff and how they looked down in

844
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico again pegues dot com, where you can continue

845
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: to read Jeff's work and their coverage for Indiana Basketball,

846
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: and I still got to get the album to you.

847
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: Jeff appreciated man.

848
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Speaker 4: As always always good talking with you, Jake.

849
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Speaker 1: Jeff rab John's joining us on the program. Putting in

850
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: the limelight now is what we're doing for. Joela Erickson,

851
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: who joins us from the Indianapolis Star Coltson Packers. Tomorrow

852
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Speaker 1: night is preseason game number two, home game number one.

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Speaker 1: Easy way to say it, by the way, well, all

854
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: the traffic snap through since the entire city's under construction.

855
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: If you're coming from the south side, don't try taking

856
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: sixty five all the way into downtown. And if you're

857
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: coming from the north side, avoid West and Capitol Street.

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Speaker 1: That's the easiest way to say that, right, Eddie. I

859
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: think we covered all the bases. I think so. Joel

860
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: Ericson actually is blowing off this game because he's going

861
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: to Milwaukee to get a free burger because the Brewers

862
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: won twelve in a row. That's my understanding, Joel, how

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00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: are you? I?

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Speaker 6: I am good, except that the burger giveaway is August twentieth,

865
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 6: which is like a Wednesday, no shot, no shot to

866
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Speaker 6: get no shot at getting up there?

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00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: Why not? I'll go with you. I'm is it this Wednesday?

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00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 6: It's this It's August twentieth, Yes, this Wednesday?

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Speaker 1: How many? Okay? So for those that are unfamiliar, Joel

870
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: is a native of Wisconsin. There's a burger place in

871
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: Milwaukee that has a special in a promotion they've done

872
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: since literally the beginning of time where if the Brewers

873
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: win twelve straight games, everyone in town gets a free burger.

874
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: The Brewers did exactly that, So this place is doing

875
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: on the twentieth. And my understanding is no limit, right,

876
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: like fat guys are just going to drive through all day.

877
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 6: I My understanding is the way this usually works is

878
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 6: that like there's just a big line of people and

879
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 6: there's just employees out there just handing a burger as

880
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 6: you go past, which I assume that you just get

881
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 6: back in line.

882
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: Right.

883
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: Do you think this will be as well orchestrated orchestrated

884
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: as the Pacers thing they did during the finals that

885
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: backed up the city for like three hours and everybody

886
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: got upset.

887
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 6: I when I saw it today, it said it was

888
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 6: like the that there's like a specific time, and I

889
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 6: was like, you got to make it all day. Now,

890
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 6: apparently you can also get a voucher to get a

891
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 6: burger a free burger at a later date if you

892
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 6: show up at a different time.

893
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: Listen, with all due respect to your home state. And

894
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: I you know I love Milwaukee for example, right, I

895
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: love Milwaukee. Okay, dietary consideration not a strong suit of Milwaukee.

896
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: What do you call a Milwaukee person? In Milwaukee, I

897
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: a lot of fat people. This could be This could

898
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: be a bad financial decision, could it not.

899
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 6: I think whatever they lose in amount of burgers and

900
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 6: giving up, I think they probably make back in the

901
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 6: fact that everyone gets reminded that George Web is there

902
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 6: for for a couple of weeks.

903
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: Listen that George Web is the name of the place. Right,

904
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: how many how many establishments are there in Milwaukee?

905
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 6: My understanding, I don't know about in Milwaukee. My understanding

906
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 6: is there are twenty stores in southeastern twenty rests in

907
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 6: southeastern Wisconsin.

908
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: I guarantee you, guarantee you eighty four percent of the

909
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: state of Wisconsin willing to eat twenty burgers in one day. Right,

910
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: people haven't got a fellow the tank there? You know

911
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna drive around and just they hit all the

912
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: George Webs.

913
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, there's also and apparently there's also a restaurant

914
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 6: that currently occupies what used to be a George Web

915
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 6: and they are also giving out free burgers.

916
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: Okay, what a tangled web theyve?

917
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 6: Right?

918
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: Uh?

919
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 6: They were like they were like, ah, we were at George.

920
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: We have one.

921
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 6: Let's get on the front.

922
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: Why not? I guess right, Okay, Joe, I believe personally,

923
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: and I want you to tell me I'm wrong. I

924
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: think the quarterback deal is over with. I think it's

925
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson and the rest is smoking mirrors your thoughts.

926
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 6: I I think that it could still be Daniel Zones.

927
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 6: I have it's been gnawing at me ever since the

928
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 6: Ravens game, that there could be a bunch of stuff

929
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 6: that we as fans do not see that the coaching

930
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 6: staff does not like in Richardson's game.

931
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: And hold on, when you say that, do you mean

932
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: behind closed doors? You think there are things like like

933
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: the things that we've heard about just in terms of preparation, filmroom,

934
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: or are you saying footwork and things that our eye

935
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: is not trained to see they might be seeing.

936
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,959
Speaker 6: It's more the latter I think it is. I think

937
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 6: if if that stuff is going on, And I don't

938
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 6: know if if that stuff is going on. I think

939
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 6: it's like it's like, did the ball go to the

940
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 6: right place? Did he see the blitzer that he was

941
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 6: supposed to see and be responsible for?

942
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 5: You know?

943
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 6: Is he operating the whole operation of the offense thing?

944
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 6: I think that that sails over most of our heads,

945
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 6: including mine. But like, if your cadence isn't very good,

946
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 6: your offensive line can faalse start. We see that now

947
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 6: we blame the offensive line, but the coaching staff can know,

948
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 6: you know, this is a cadence thing. That that kind

949
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 6: of stuff is the stuff that we can't see. And

950
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 6: Ed Dodds w Is, the assistant general manager, told us

951
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 6: yesterday that sometimes the front office people don't know it

952
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 6: until the coaches tell them, hey, there was a mistake

953
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 6: on that play. And all of that and the whole

954
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 6: Ravens thing makes me wonder could there be a possibility

955
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 6: that some of the war, some of the periods of

956
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 6: practice that have not looked so great for Richardson, could

957
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 6: that stuff have been going on and that be pushing

958
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 6: it back towards Daniel Jones.

959
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting to me because I have said all

960
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: along that if it's a tie, it goes to the incumbent.

961
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: And I just haven't seen. I keep saying if Daniel

962
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: Jones is the starter. It's at this point, Joel, and

963
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me if you disagree with this.

964
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: If Daniel Jones is the starter, it's not going to

965
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: be because Daniel Jones won the job. It's going to

966
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: be because Anthony Richardson lost it.

967
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that.

968
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 6: I agree with that. Jones has looked essentially as advertised

969
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 6: to me. He's he completes a lot of short passes.

970
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 6: He is a little bit iffy when he has to

971
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 6: go throw in the twenty yard range and his deep

972
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 6: ball is going to need the receiver to do some

973
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 6: work on it. He's pretty much been exactly what we thought.

974
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 6: I didn't I, at least from what we've seen. I

975
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 6: haven't seen a huge step forward from him. So yeah,

976
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 6: I agree with you. I think if if this ends

977
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 6: up going Daniel Jones way, it will tell me that

978
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 6: there's whatever they say, it will tell me that that

979
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 6: Anthony Richardson didn't do enough to keep a job. Like

980
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 6: I'm with you, I was up until that play against

981
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 6: the Ravens, I was thinking well, I definitely go to

982
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 6: the incumbent, But that made me start wondering, here's.

983
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: A better question, Joe. Let's just we're gonna be real here, right,

984
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: You and I. Right now, we're just gonna be nothing

985
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: but a couple of guys rolling around eating George web Burgers.

986
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: Right run, We're on to Burger number thirteen, and we're

987
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: just solving the world's problems driving from you know, Eau

988
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: Claire to Whitefish Bay, right, just two guys hanging out.

989
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna go to a J. Bombers and

990
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna eat burgers there too, and we're gonna have

991
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: a spotted cow.

992
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 6: Okay, sounds great.

993
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: Regardless of which quarterback they go with, there is not

994
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: enough body of work within those two quarterbacks to believe

995
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: they can win more than eleven games this year, and

996
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: this as a result, the cults are right back next

997
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: year to square one. Your thoughts, Yeah, I think so.

998
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 6: The only caveat to that is if Anthony Richardson wins

999
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 6: the job and they win eleven games, even if it's

1000
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 6: somewhat in spite of him, even if he's not the

1001
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 6: driving force to it, I would think that that would

1002
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 6: mean he's played well enough that you'd go, there may

1003
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 6: still be something here.

1004
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't disagree with that. I think here's the thing.

1005
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: I think the Richardson aspect of there might be something

1006
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: here is the entire reason why he is going to

1007
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: get continued time to show it, because you just you

1008
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like you it's like the it's

1009
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: like the George Web place. I mean, if there's the

1010
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: one joint that used to be at George Web, you

1011
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: might as well go there because there's a chance you

1012
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: might get a burger, right m h. And so you've

1013
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: got to I think they just continue to be intrigued

1014
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: by the what could be?

1015
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the ceiling. You see it on the practice

1016
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 6: field sometimes you can see that it's it's higher, although

1017
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 6: we haven't really seen any of the you know, moonshot

1018
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 6: deep balls that we talked about last year, like the

1019
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 6: one against Houston, but you still see that there's that

1020
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 6: part of it is in him. He's more willing to

1021
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 6: throw the ball down the field when he's completing that,

1022
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 6: you know, the the two minute driller at the end

1023
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 6: of a terrible practice for the offense yesterday against the Packers,

1024
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 6: they went right down the field and scored and he

1025
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 6: was ripping the ball down the field. It's it's that

1026
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 6: I think I agree with you. I think you still think,

1027
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 6: you know what, we drafted this guy because we thought

1028
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 6: he could hit this ceiling. Let's see if he can

1029
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 6: hit the ceiling unless this other guy comes in and

1030
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 6: very clearly beats him out. That's that's where I was.

1031
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 6: That's where I was, and kind of still am. I.

1032
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 6: I just find myself wondering if there's if there's stuff

1033
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 6: going on behind the scenes that we haven't heard about

1034
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 6: and haven't seen, because you know, last season, at this

1035
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 6: time of year, we were talking about shoot. I wrote

1036
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 6: a story with quoting like seven coats people who are

1037
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 6: like Anthony Richardson has taken a huge step forward in

1038
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 6: terms of all the behind the scene stuff, and that's

1039
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 6: what they were saying in trading camp. And then we

1040
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 6: got to the regular season he got bench for two games.

1041
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 6: So there's there's a there's some grain of salt stuff

1042
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 6: I'm taking with with this whole quarterback competition, and probably

1043
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 6: will be even after they make a decision that frankly,

1044
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 6: it's it's not because I'm I'm being skeptical. It's because

1045
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 6: it happened last year.

1046
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: The Now, what was that, Eddie you were just saying about.

1047
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 1: It was Quentin Nelson, right.

1048
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just telling Jake Joel that, you know,

1049
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: last weekend Quentin Nelson met with you guys and he

1050
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: was asked about what he's seen from Richardson. He said

1051
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: that this is his best camp yet. So are you

1052
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: taking that with the green and salt considering? I personally do,

1053
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: just because Nelson's not one of those types that outreally

1054
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: gushes about players and the way that he did, and

1055
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 2: he's one of the biggest voices in the locker room

1056
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: on the offensive side of the football.

1057
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 6: I I do think though that Quentin does. Quenton is

1058
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 6: generally going to defend his teammate, say his teammates, say

1059
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 6: the great things about his teammates. In my estimation, he's

1060
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 6: not going to gush about other things, but that is

1061
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 6: the one thing he will gush about as his teammates.

1062
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 6: And like I said, maybe it's all maybe it's all

1063
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 6: true this year, but I still have to, like I said,

1064
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 6: I'm still a little burned by hearing a bunch of

1065
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 6: stuff last year and then seven weeks later we're going

1066
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 6: through a benching for issues of preparation and attention to

1067
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 6: detailed right, I'm going wait a minute, you guys told

1068
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 6: me the opposite just like two months ago.

1069
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is there an element. Quentin Nelson is,

1070
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: let me, we're gonna do a little Jake. Querry Freudian

1071
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: overthinks at three twenty eight in the morning, deep thoughts,

1072
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: Are you ready? I have a lot of this. Yeah,

1073
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: I have a lot of these deep thoughts, Joel outside

1074
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: the box level thoughts one of them. For example, yesterday

1075
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: when I saw you, it was it yesterday? I saw

1076
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: you at camp they all run together. I think it

1077
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: was yesterday, right, And I said to myself, this guy

1078
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: looks like Hollywood. I don't know what you've been doing lately,

1079
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: but the chin will look fairly chiseled, and you were tan,

1080
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: and is it the sunglasses you had on? I mean

1081
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: non creepy here, But I was thinking to myself, you

1082
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: look like kind of a movie star type. Has anybody

1083
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: told you your wife? Anybody told you lately you're looking

1084
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: like a movie star.

1085
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 6: I generally, I generally think that I would have been

1086
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 6: a movie like that. I generally get told by people

1087
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 6: who are in there, like sixties and seventies that I

1088
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 6: look like a movie star. So maybe I'm from like

1089
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 6: a different era.

1090
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: James Garder walking around, You're like, you know what I mean,

1091
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: You're Rockford Files.

1092
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1093
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1094
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: From now on, every time that Joel comes on, we're

1095
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: playing the Rockford Files theme. Because nothing speaks twenty twenty

1096
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: five radio like referencing a show from nineteen seventy four.

1097
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: I mean that packs him in, right, I mean, between

1098
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: radio and newspaper. What the hell, let's go ahead and

1099
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: talk about old ABC television while we're at it, right, Okay, Joel.

1100
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: Here's my deep thought though. Quentin Nelson is a leader

1101
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: of this team, right, I mean, he's one of the

1102
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: guys that's on the JW. He's he's a captain. I

1103
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: assume he's a veteran leader of the team. Is it

1104
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: in his best interest to simply speak up for and

1105
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: talk up in Anthony Richardson almost in hopes that that's

1106
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: what lights the fire.

1107
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 6: I I think I think that the way Quenton would

1108
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 6: look at it, the way most players would look at it,

1109
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 6: is not just in the hopes that it lights the fire,

1110
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 6: but generally the way they the way they think about

1111
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 6: things is project strength. And optimism outward deal with stuff

1112
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 6: behind the scenes, you know. And and Nelson, to my

1113
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 6: understanding is the guy is the one of the guys

1114
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 6: who deals with things behind the scenes when it needs

1115
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 6: to be said. But yeah, this is kind of what

1116
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 6: athletes do. This is kind of what athletes do. Is

1117
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 6: they they sound really optimistic, and then they sound really

1118
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 6: optimistic no matter what. And then you have to try

1119
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 6: to figure out what way why this optimistic thing that

1120
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 6: somebody said is different than this other optimistic thing they said.

1121
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: By the way, right here, let's just Joe watch your

1122
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: new theme song, right. I love it, And I realize

1123
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: I'm the only one of the three of us in

1124
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: this equation that even knows what this is, right, But

1125
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: Jamb's tapping his toe right now, I guarantee it right.

1126
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: James Garner Joel A. Ericsson, James Garner literally separated at

1127
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: birth despite the sixty year age difference.

1128
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 6: I know, James Gardner. I don't know the Rockford Files.

1129
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 4: I'll admit it.

1130
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 6: I don't know the Rockford File.

1131
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: No worries. That was his staple show. But again, I mean,

1132
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm actually almost too young for the Rockford Files, truth

1133
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: be told. But Joe what area is when you look

1134
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: yesterday at the camp with Green Bay, and we had

1135
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: talked about this being a potential concern going into it.

1136
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: We make so much of the quarterback battle for the Colts.

1137
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: Yesterday it seemed as though, and this has now been

1138
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: I think kind of a theme intermittently, is the offensive

1139
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: line of concern for the Colts.

1140
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is a really good question.

1141
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 4: So I was.

1142
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 6: I was standing there talking to a friend of mine

1143
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 6: who covers the Packers. We've known each other for more

1144
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 6: than a decade, and he's telling me, at the beginning

1145
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 6: of practice, you know, this Packer's defensive line is really

1146
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 6: good against the run, but they can't rush the passer.

1147
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 6: And then almost immediately as as soon as he says that,

1148
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 6: the Packers reel off like four sacks in a row,

1149
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 6: and you know that is concerning Those are the starters

1150
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 6: out there, the Packers. They don't really have, you know,

1151
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 6: a elite top ten edge rusher types. One of the

1152
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 6: guys who had two sacks I think is Lucas van Ness,

1153
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 6: who in my understanding is kind of a player that

1154
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 6: Packers fans would like to see take a step because

1155
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 6: he hasn't done enough as a first round pick. So

1156
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 6: maybe he's taking that step and maybe he'll look great later,

1157
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 6: but he hasn't so far. And the other thing about

1158
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 6: it was it was I think they said, I think

1159
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 6: one of the packers writers said that like nine different

1160
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 6: guys they head down for a sack or something like that.

1161
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 6: That's that's pretty up and down. That's not just a

1162
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 6: one position issue. That was yesterday was bad from a

1163
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 6: protection standpoint, and it does make you wonder. Yeah, I

1164
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 6: just think that's the other thing that's hard to and

1165
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 6: I realize. I mean, look, I've been doing this radio

1166
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 6: show today for three hours We've done you know, I've

1167
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 6: been on twelve hours this week, and eleven and a

1168
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 6: half of that is about the quarterback battle. And I

1169
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 6: realized that that becomes a tiring thing for me. It

1170
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 6: becomes a tiring thing for me. I think it becomes

1171
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 6: a tiring thing for Shane Steichen. But it's the most

1172
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 6: important position on the roster. But if you are struggling,

1173
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 6: say with the offensive line, when you're getting different, different

1174
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 6: defensive looks in there, then it does, in fairness, become

1175
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 6: even that much more difficult to truly assess where you

1176
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 6: are correct unless you've got to go with the guy

1177
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 6: that gives you the best flexibility if the line is

1178
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 6: playing porous, if that's the reality of what you're going

1179
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 6: to be in the regular season, right, yeah, I think so.

1180
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 6: I think that if I think if the if you're

1181
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 6: the Colts, you probably chalk yesterday up to kind of

1182
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 6: an aberration. You know, so far, since Tony Sperano Junior

1183
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 6: has been here as the offensive line coach, they've they've

1184
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 6: been pretty good upfront, with the exception of like right

1185
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 6: guard last year when they couldn't figure it out after

1186
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 6: Will Fries went down. But they've been pretty good upfront,

1187
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 6: and they've gotten better as they go along. I think

1188
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 6: if you're the Colts, you're betting on them to be that,

1189
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 6: But you're right if they're not that. If they're what

1190
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 6: we saw yesterday, it almost doesn't matter who won the

1191
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 6: quarterback battle. I mean, isn't that what we saw in

1192
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 6: twenty twenty two is the if the offensive line goes down,

1193
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 6: it doesn't matter what the quarterback does. So they they

1194
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 6: I would say, they're probably betting on past history with

1195
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 6: this staff on the offensive line, but they better be

1196
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 6: right with that.

1197
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: Bet is ulyssa Is Bentley the fourth going to make

1198
00:55:59,280 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: the roster.

1199
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 6: I don't think so, I do. I mean, I think

1200
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 6: he might be a practice squad guy.

1201
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: Yes, he's outstanding practice squad car eulease is you know how?

1202
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: You know how you'll know if he's on the practice

1203
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: squad you'll be able to smile the fabulous black Cavendish

1204
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: of his pipe and you might actually see his horse

1205
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: in the hitching post in the parking lot with his

1206
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: poto stick. That's my Ulysses Bentley the Fourth. Eddie likes

1207
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: my Ulysses Bentley the Fourth Family voice? Do you like

1208
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: my voice? Joel?

1209
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 5: On that?

1210
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 6: I think it's great.

1211
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: Do you think it's better? Do you think it's better

1212
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: than my typical Wisconsinate voice?

1213
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1214
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm kind of hoping that you listen to Bentley

1215
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 6: the Fourth is on this Roster's that we get more

1216
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 6: of the voice?

1217
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, are you kidding me? If you listens

1218
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: and see I almost went with the s there. If

1219
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: you listen to Bentley the Fourth makes the roster. He's

1220
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: got to be on that. I've got to have him

1221
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: on the show Monday after and I've got to do

1222
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: the voice to him, don't I Yeah, absolutely, I can't

1223
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: be the only one that's ever done the voice to

1224
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: him right. As a matter of fact, one of the

1225
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: proudest moments of my life was after I brought up

1226
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: the fact of Ulysses Bentley the fourth and this character.

1227
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: And then someone pointed out to me after the Baltimore

1228
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: game that they watched the Ravens game and the Ravens broadcast,

1229
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: and the Baltimore Ravens broadcasters said, this guy sounds like

1230
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: he came from like the English Highlands. And I'm like, yes,

1231
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: they did. I kid you, not right? And do you

1232
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,919
Speaker 1: know how hard it is to run, especially in your knickers.

1233
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean he wears the pants for the polo grounds. Yeah,

1234
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: you gotta, you've He's got to make the roster for

1235
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: if the culture listen, if Chris Ballard's listening right now,

1236
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: I have a message for Chris Ballard. Chris, I understand it.

1237
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: I get that you have a roster to build. I

1238
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: get that you have gotten a good wide receiver corps.

1239
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: I get that you've done a nice job with your

1240
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: defensive backs, but you got to give the people what

1241
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: they want. Nobody with that fifty third man on the

1242
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: cares one iota about a long snapper or some fifth

1243
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: string tight end that's going to get in on Gunner

1244
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: plays on special teams. What people want is the character

1245
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: on radio, and that's you list four, right, Joel, here's

1246
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: my one o the questions and my last question for you.

1247
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: The guy that you mentioned that your buddies, that the

1248
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: longtime Packers writer. Nobody knows. You didn't mention his name,

1249
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: so we're cool on this. Is he a native Wisconsin

1250
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: or no.

1251
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 6: He's actually he's actually a native of Indiana.

1252
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: Oh really, Well that then this is also probably equally

1253
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: applicable fat guy or not?

1254
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 6: No?

1255
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: Okay, No, Well, and you're sure he's from Wisconsin in

1256
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: Indiana because I mean we're statistically playing with real fire here.

1257
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. Okay, I grew up here

1258
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 6: and lived there for a decade.

1259
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: Actually, I do have one other question for you, So

1260
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: I lied. That was not my last question. I assume

1261
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: because I was doing the lap yesterday walking around and

1262
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, if there are states that would

1263
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: have state fairs. I love the Indiana State Fair. I

1264
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: love it. I've been three times this year. I love

1265
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: it. It's a great tradition, it's totally fun. I have a

1266
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: great respect for the four age kids and the work

1267
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: that they do that goes into it. There's artwork on display,

1268
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: there's food out the wazoo. It's fantastic entertainment. And I

1269
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: was thinking, if there are states, Minnesota apparently has an

1270
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: unbelievable state fair, but I would imagine the Wisconsin State

1271
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: Fair is something to behold? Am I correct? I?

1272
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 6: So my family growing up went to the Northern Wisconsin

1273
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 6: State Fair.

1274
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: Oh see the fair there is so big. There's two

1275
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: of them, is that right?

1276
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 6: There's the big fair in Milwaukee and then there's the

1277
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 6: Northern Wisconsin. I am actually unaware if there is a

1278
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 6: Southern Wisconsin State Fair to make up for the Northern

1279
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 6: Wisconsin State Fair. I don't know if this is a

1280
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 6: subsidiary thing or whatever. But yeah, we grew up going

1281
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 6: to the Northern Wisconsin State Fair. I may have been

1282
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 6: to the actual Wisconsin State Fair, but I don't remember.

1283
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: It is the northern one, a big one.

1284
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 6: It's not as big as say, the Indiana State Fair,

1285
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 6: but it's pretty big.

1286
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1287
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 6: It's seventy sixty to seventy percent of the Indiana State.

1288
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: Fair mostly cheese on a stick?

1289
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 4: Right?

1290
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 3: Uh?

1291
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no. If you you go to the

1292
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 6: Northern Wisconsin State Fair, you want to get there are

1293
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 6: like twenty seven little towns that all have their Knights

1294
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,479
Speaker 6: of Columbus there and they all make fried cheese herds,

1295
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 6: and all of them are delicious.

1296
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: Okay, that is a right of passage in the state

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Speaker 1: of Wisconsin for sure. All right. Joela Ericson, Joel, appreciate

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Speaker 1: the time as always, will continue to look forward. When

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Speaker 1: do you think we're going to have an answer at quarterback?

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Speaker 6: I think next week before the for the final preseason game.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll see that might be up.

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Speaker 6: That might be optimistic, but I think that's what's going

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Speaker 6: to happen.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, Colts coverage continuing in the Indie Star with preseason

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Speaker 1: game number two with the Colts and the Packers. Appreciate it, Joel, Yep,

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Speaker 1: sounds good.

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Speaker 6: We'll see Jake.

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Speaker 1: Joela Ericson joining us on the program.