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Speaker 1: We are back. It is another edition of Colts Corner

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Speaker 1: with myself Kevin Bowen, non emergency edition. We came at

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Speaker 1: you Monday with you know, a bit of a flurry

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Speaker 1: there and we had a garrison. Since then, it's been

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Speaker 1: rather quiet, yeah, for the Colts, certainly from an addition's standpoint.

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Speaker 1: So we'll recap kind of how the week is unfolded

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Speaker 1: since though, you know, there are some things that we

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Speaker 1: definitely need to get to and we're recording this Friday morning,

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Speaker 1: so we'll preface that because you never know how it

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Speaker 1: will obviously unfold from here. But how you doing, sir?

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Speaker 2: Doing well? How about you? You've had a lot of

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Speaker 2: things on your play the last two days.

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Speaker 1: Two days, it's been busy. It's a it's it's a

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Speaker 1: good busy though. You know, honestly, I thought a little

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Speaker 1: bit more activity that we would have seen from the

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Speaker 1: Colts to this point, but they have cap space and

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Speaker 1: honestly it has a little bit of the feel of

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Speaker 1: kind of past crisp ballad free agencies of like nope,

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Speaker 1: well wait for the second and third wave to get

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Speaker 1: through there, so you know, before we kind of get

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Speaker 1: into each end of visual item, Eddie let's just start

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Speaker 1: basically here of Friday morning. Who have they added, who

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Speaker 1: have they lost? Who have they retained? So your re signings,

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Speaker 1: Pierce Lake, Groupie, Daniel Jones, your additions. Ironically, they're all

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Speaker 1: in the defensive line so far. Colby Wooden via Trade

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Speaker 1: arden Key from the Titans, Michael Clemens from the Jets,

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Speaker 1: It's easily the longest list we've had of the ballad era,

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Speaker 1: certainly in the first month ever. Excuse me, the first

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Speaker 1: week of free agency, the trades of Zion Franklin and

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Speaker 1: to the Raiders, Braden Smith the Texans, Nick Cross to

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Speaker 1: the Commanders going home, Rodney Thomas the Second Heads out

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Speaker 1: to Seattle, and Samson Ebcom to the Falcons. I would

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Speaker 1: say free agents in house of note still out there,

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Speaker 1: Eddie Miiley Cox, Drew Ogletree. I think Jermaine Pratt is

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Speaker 1: a bring back candidate, or should be, at least in

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Speaker 1: little bit. And what Taekwon lewis, Yes, don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: missing anybody too much of note there. So just kind

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Speaker 1: of wanted to start from that Bass Eddie, because I

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Speaker 1: know we're going to get into a lot of these

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Speaker 1: kind of individually, but right now far more subtractions than

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Speaker 1: additions than I would have expected.

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Speaker 2: Of course, on the pod that you dropped earlier this week,

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Speaker 2: you shared your thoughts on the Alec Pierce contract. Go

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Speaker 2: back and listen to that if you haven't, also go

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Speaker 2: to Kevin Bowen dot com aka one of seven five

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Speaker 2: Thefan dot com because if you look at that homepage

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Speaker 2: right now, it's all Kevin Bowen with all the things

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Speaker 2: that I've gone on with the cults here this week.

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Speaker 2: So let's dive into that Daniel Jones contract KB the

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Speaker 2: largest contract in NFL history for a two year deal

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Speaker 2: worth eighty eight million dollars up to one hundred million

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Speaker 2: in total, fifty million the first year, only ten million

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Speaker 1: Over all.

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Speaker 2: Thoughts on the deal that the Colts struck with Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: I've kind of got the Larry David Gift in my head.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, the shrug.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of the shrug. You know, you've backed

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Speaker 1: yourself into a quarterback corner, And to reiterate where I'm

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Speaker 1: at in quarterback, I am a firm believer. To truly

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Speaker 1: build something that you could potentially have a five ish

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Speaker 1: year window of sustained success, you have to do it

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Speaker 1: with a rookie contract quarterback. Everyone knows my thought process.

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Speaker 1: That's how it is a quarterback. Okay, when that is

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Speaker 1: There's a little part of me of like, had they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that sounds right. And again I'll say this

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Speaker 1: Come on now, which again this gets to my point

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Speaker 1: of like it reiterates to me and again Alex Pearson,

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Speaker 1: And again I fully realized Pooka's a outlier, but like

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Speaker 2: It just it's interesting when you go back and look

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Speaker 2: of look at the current contract structures for a lot

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Speaker 2: of the key Colts players and a lot of them

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Speaker 2: is an immense, immense amount of pressure on Daniel Jones

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Speaker 2: to a be out there Week one and b to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also to Eddie like and again, I feel

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get into that Trey Hendrickson news from earlier

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson, and it seemed likely, if not possible, that

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Speaker 2: fallout of Max Crosby. But I just saw some reporting yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I went, oh shit when I saw the Crosby News.

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Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson services. So, yeah, sitting in the drafts on

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Speaker 1: And I went over it you know on our show.

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Speaker 1: But just to reiterate with some numbers, Eddie, Robert Mathis

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Speaker 1: the Colts have had two players reached double digit sacks.

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Speaker 2: Jabal Shared and Justin Houston.

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Speaker 1: Right, Justin Houston is correct, not Jabal Shared. But you're

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Speaker 2: Oh that played? Did you play for New England?

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Speaker 1: Came here, went left here, played for the Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 1: His son is actually, I guess a great high school

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Speaker 1: football recruit here Middle Tennessee State, hard nos guy, loved,

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Speaker 1: Just like again, put numbers around that. Since that time,

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Speaker 1: the Texas the Colts have had two. The Texans have

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Speaker 1: this list of not having individual rushers. And again, ten

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Speaker 1: sacks is not like Kyle Ripkin playing two thousand games

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Speaker 1: or Joe DiMaggio's hit streak. Like how many guys at

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Speaker 2: How many players had fifteen last year?

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Speaker 2: Colts is Nick Cross. He goes to the Commanders on

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Speaker 2: what was a very team friendly deal two years, fifteen mil.

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Speaker 1: And again, you know, Eddie, we had this debate a

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Speaker 1: few weeks ago. This is one of the hardest free

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Speaker 1: agent debates I had because he's one of the few

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Speaker 1: Colts draft picks, particularly on defense, that had earned a

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Speaker 1: second contract.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

435
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Speaker 1: You drafted him thinking of sending player by the end of.

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Speaker 2: His rookie deal and traded up for him.

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Speaker 1: Correct traded back into the whole draft, right. I think

438
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Speaker 1: you traded a future third if I remember, or something

439
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Speaker 1: like that for him. Now, safety is the one position,

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Speaker 1: as we say it right now, like if you look

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Speaker 1: at their safety depth chart right now, Eddie, I believe

442
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: cam Binden is the only safety that has played one

443
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Speaker 1: hundred snaps or more in the NFL, like Daniel Scott,

444
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: Ruben Lowry, Hunter Wohler, Trey Washington. Maybe he's undraft freight

445
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: like if they got nobody in safety of experience. But again,

446
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Speaker 1: that position, especially here, whether it be Rodney McLeod, whether

447
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Speaker 1: it be Mike Mitchell, you want to go back to

448
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: Mike Adams. That is a position you can skimp at.

449
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: You can one year it up with a veteran. And

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Speaker 1: so I'm curious do they do that. It's a lot

451
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Speaker 1: of Frankly, it's a lot to put on a Hunter

452
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Speaker 1: Wooler if that's what they're thinking about here, I understand it.

453
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Speaker 1: Cross going home, do matha kid? Maryland commanders all that

454
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Speaker 1: and again paying to safeties, even notable money. And I

455
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Speaker 1: know to a lot of people they don't think that's notable.

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Speaker 1: That is for safety. So I understood it. Now. Giving

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Speaker 1: the Colts capspace, I thought to myself, Oh wait, a

458
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Speaker 1: minute here, but they bring crossback, but clearly they are not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anything else in terms of the departures that he

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Speaker 2: went to hit on.

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Speaker 1: The only other one I think is quitty, you know

462
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Speaker 1: him to the Raiders first off. Sixteen million is quite

463
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Speaker 1: quite the chunk of change there.

464
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Speaker 2: Three for forty eight Yeah, how much sad that was guaranteed?

465
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Speaker 2: Thirty six?

466
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Speaker 1: Wow? Was it that much?

467
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Speaker 2: I can't remember. I'd have to go back and look.

468
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Speaker 1: You know, I was never a fan of giving him

469
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Speaker 1: the fifth year option for thirteen million, and really what

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Speaker 1: it confirmed to me, you know, a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: ago when we discussed Anthony Richardson in that trade to

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Speaker 1: request Eddie. We went through the twenty twenty three draft,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think enough is said about how bad

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Speaker 1: that draft was at such a critical time for the franchise.

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Speaker 2: Thirty two million guaranteed, but.

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Speaker 1: That twenty twenty three draft, coming off the four and

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Speaker 1: twelfth season or whatever it was, We're totally one and

478
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Speaker 1: you just needed foundational elements. When you draft top five

479
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: in each round, you need them badly, foundational cornerstone pieces.

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Speaker 1: That's the draft you point to the rebuild, and it

481
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Speaker 1: just was.

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Speaker 2: Filled with missus.

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Speaker 1: Well, you look at that twenty twenty one draft Eddie.

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Speaker 1: Now that quit. He's gone.

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Speaker 2: The twenty twenty one draft class. Nobody's on the team

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Speaker 2: from that draft class.

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Speaker 1: Quit. You pay Dio danbo. I see Kylon Granton went

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Speaker 1: to the Titans. I guess what I'm saying with him?

489
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Speaker 1: Maybe Sean Davis, your favorite Sean Davis Colts member.

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Speaker 2: Do you make it out of camp?

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Speaker 1: I think he got cut. It might have been during camp,

492
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Speaker 1: but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe that was the end of August.

493
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Speaker 1: Sam Ellenger, Mike megastrawn and shout out to Will Fryes.

494
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Speaker 1: Great pick, but like you said, gone, I mean, that

495
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Speaker 1: is just a horrific draft. And one thing to note

496
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Speaker 1: to the third round pick in that draft, Carson Wentz trade.

497
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Speaker 1: So why are the Colts where they're at right now

498
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Speaker 1: and you're a playoff drought? Why are they in a

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Speaker 1: cap situation that seemingly has them scrambling when it's like,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, If you're scrambling, shouldn't you be good

501
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Speaker 1: to try and create cap space. That's why you haven't

502
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Speaker 1: hit on enough rookie contract guys lately. And I think

503
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Speaker 1: those two draft classes are great examples of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you said the twenty three and the twenty one, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And again twenty three to mes A one that it

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Speaker 1: stands out more because you had the early you know,

507
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Speaker 1: top five picks, so it was a new coaching regime

508
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Speaker 1: all of that. You know, twenty one a lot of it,

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Speaker 1: you know, Achilles for Dio and then boom, you know,

510
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Speaker 1: wins in that trade there. So yeah, that's a big,

511
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Speaker 1: big reason why I think that kind of covers everything.

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Speaker 2: They've got two in pending. They still have two free

513
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Speaker 2: agents out there, Samson mbucom and Rodney Thomas.

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Speaker 1: They both signed last night right Ebitcom to Atlanta. I

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Speaker 1: missed that, I believe late last night to Atlanta. You

516
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 1: were busy with Pacery game and Rodney Thomas to the Seahawks.

517
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Speaker 1: So again not too much of a surprise really there.

518
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Speaker 1: You know, if Rodney Thomas would have come back, he

519
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: would have your most experience of anybody in that safety room,

520
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: not named buying him there, but it seemed like he

521
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: really started off very well in his career and then

522
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Speaker 1: went the opposite way kind of. Once Nick Cross started

523
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Speaker 1: to as send really.

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Speaker 2: You ready for Twitter questions, let's do starting with Luke

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Speaker 2: I agree with you that Alec Pearce's skill set is

526
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Speaker 2: too unique to lose, and I'm glad that the Colts

527
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Speaker 2: prioritized keeping him, even at the expense of losing Michael

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Speaker 2: Pittman Junior. With that being said, I think it's worth

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Speaker 2: noting that Pittman led Colts wide receivers and targets, receptions

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Speaker 2: and touchdowns prior to the Daniel Jones injury. Even if

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Speaker 2: you believe Alec Pearce can turn into a true wide

532
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Speaker 2: receiver one and pick up a lot of that production,

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Speaker 2: how confident are you and Josh Downs to become a

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Speaker 2: legitimate wide receiver t with this quarterback. Eleven games with

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Speaker 2: Jones last season, Down's only averaged about four catches for

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Speaker 2: thirty four yards per game, despite almost identical targets to

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Speaker 2: Pierce in that same time span.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those are those are interesting numbers, Luke, I'm a

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Speaker 1: bit torn on this, Eddie, Like, I don't get the vibes. Internally,

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Speaker 1: the cults are too too worried about replacing Pittman with

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Speaker 1: a notable, notable resource mm hm.

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Speaker 2: With that notable resource meaning what free agent?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, early pick double digit million dollar annual

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Speaker 1: value on a free agent early pick. You know, some

545
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: people keep on asking me about Sarat like round two.

546
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Speaker 1: I'm like, that just seems like a tad rich for

547
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: me and early I don't want. Like, I think Pittman

548
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Speaker 1: did a lot for the team that kind of went unnoticed,

549
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Speaker 1: like even some of the just the simple stuff of

550
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: like hey, quick hitter to Pittman, and now first and

551
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: ten becomes second and four. Yeah, because he breaks two tackles, like,

552
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Speaker 1: you know, just because he's an unconventional wide out. It

553
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Speaker 1: was a bit taken for granted. Obviously he was very

554
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: durable and he was a great blocker. Now, if you're

555
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and say, hey, the cults are trying

556
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: to manufacture the loss of Michael Pittman Junior, and they're

557
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: trying to manufacture the pass rush, I'd sit here and

558
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: say I sleep much better at night if I'm trying

559
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: to manufacture the loss of Michael Pittman Junior than I

560
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: am trying to manufacture the pass rush. Yeah, they've been

561
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Speaker 1: trying to manufacture the pass rush since you came out

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Speaker 1: of the womb. So I don't That's where I do

563
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: sit here and struggle a little bit. Now, you know, again, Dulan.

564
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: I guess treadwell is I think he's still under contract.

565
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: Obviously Warren will take on a little bit more. And

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Speaker 1: then you know, of course Piers. And that's the thing

567
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: I probably said on the emergency podcast. But with Peers,

568
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: it's like he has sent such such a message to

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Speaker 1: the NFL of safety over the top, safety over the top,

570
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Speaker 1: safety over the top. Can he start to do a

571
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Speaker 1: little bit more of He might not bully his way

572
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: through tackles, but can he back shoulder it up for

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Speaker 1: a six yard game? You know? Can he kind of

574
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Speaker 1: play the methodical game that way? That would be something

575
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: that would be a question. So yeah, I don't This

576
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Speaker 1: is one where I might regret it a little bit,

577
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Speaker 1: like in a few months. And I don't know. I'm

578
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: trying to map out the draft and it's kind of

579
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: hard to know without free agency being truly over, and

580
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Speaker 1: who knows, maybe Baler's got some rabbit up a sleeve here,

581
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Speaker 1: but you know, wide out a round four.

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Speaker 2: They still have what fifty million in cap space? So right, no, boy,

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Speaker 2: it seems like a lot, do they really? No?

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Speaker 1: Does that include Pierce?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that includes everything. I mean clearly

587
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: they were ready to offer Henderson something of note, so

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Speaker 1: that I mean, they definitely have a good amount of

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Speaker 1: cap space, but I don't know if it's totally been

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Speaker 1: updated all of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, over the cap doesn't have h Alec Pierce on

592
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: there yet, which is explains why they have fifty.

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Speaker 1: So whatever, let's take twenty off of that. Whatever his

594
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: cap pit's going to be this season, thirty, right, she

595
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: saw a good amount there. You know, I'm trying to

596
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: map this out in my head. Veterans Safety signed, I

597
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: would resign Jermaine Pratt. I know some people disagree with that,

598
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: But did you listen as Aara Franklin on with Jim

599
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: Roman all earlier this week.

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00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: I did not.

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Speaker 1: Actually thought it was a pretty good interview and pretty enlightening,

602
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Speaker 1: and I thought ive hat his final answer in the

603
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: whole interview summed up he got while he was leaving,

604
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: He's like, when you don't win, changes happened. He's right,

605
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 1: and again Ballad has never really done this, but like,

606
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: this is the reality of where they're at. But he

607
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: basically said, just how different than Gus Bradley defense was

608
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: compared to the louisne Romo defense and so for me, Eddie,

609
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I get Ballard as drafted great at linebacker,

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00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: kudos to him, and I think they should probably spend

611
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: an earliest draft pick at linebacker. Do you want that

612
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: dude wearing the green dot? Though? I mean, Zara Franklin

613
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: is a very cerebral player and he's comedy. How sophisticated

614
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: lose defense was? I think a guy like Jermain's been

615
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: in it for five years and then you put the

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Speaker 1: rookie next to it. That's kind of how I view it.

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00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: So you know, again, I'm mapping in the side of

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00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: my head. Do you go d N round two, linebacker,

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Speaker 1: round three, wide out, round four, safety, round five? You

620
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: still need to sign up better than safety. Let me

621
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Speaker 1: be clear, but yeah, that's kind of in my head

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00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: right now. Do you mentioned wide receiver in there too?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: White out and four? Didn't I say that d and

625
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: so fast?

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00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: I couldn't really process.

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00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: Sorry, I talked about d end in two, linebacker in three,

628
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Speaker 1: wide out in four, safety in five. I can listen

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Speaker 1: to reordering. Trust me, I'm not married to that. I'm

630
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: probably am married to edge rusher that early.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, there there aren't names out there,

632
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: but it's just like at the end of the day,

633
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: just jags.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, are they just you know, and the

635
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Speaker 1: names that you said earlier, I mean, Eddie, they're getting

636
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: up there in age and I'm not like that ages D.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I could have listened to it, to be honest.

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00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: With you, but.

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00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: Man, you've just missed routine. And I just I Ballard

640
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Speaker 1: to answer at the combine, I just totally disagreed with

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Speaker 1: them about what about missing an end? You know, maybe

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Speaker 1: at some point we go back and play that audio

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Speaker 1: and react to it. I just, you know, he tried

644
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Speaker 1: to very much soften my stance of saying that they've

645
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Speaker 1: missed it end a lot. They have royally missed a

646
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: defensive end. They've invest it's been his number one focus, trenches, trenches, trenches,

647
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Speaker 1: right and again the offensive line. He's done a great job.

648
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Speaker 2: Kudos, But is that where he made the reference about

649
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: like two years ago we brooke the franchise record for okay.

650
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Speaker 1: Right, and again I'm a little bit more sacks for

651
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: past attempt and if you want to get technical, we've

652
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: added a game in the season. But like overall, the

653
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: defensive end misses in the draft to me are rather indefensible.

654
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we can talk about this being a miss too,

655
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: because Isaac brings up a great question. Does the Mike

656
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Speaker 2: Michael Hitman junior trade make you regret ad Mitchell?

657
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Isaaca, that's a good one. I I I don't

658
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: think that bluntly, you know, as it stated. You know,

659
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Speaker 1: I have offered my stance on the Sauce trade. And

660
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Speaker 1: you know if you look at the Max Crosby trade, Eddie,

661
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: that even that didn't include an ad Mitchell. No, that

662
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Speaker 1: was just strictly the two first rounders, yep. Which you

663
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Speaker 1: know again, would you rather have Sauce or would you

664
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Speaker 1: rather have Crosby.

665
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Speaker 2: That's a good one.

666
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Speaker 1: I think it's a great debate. Obviously, Age is and

667
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: Sauces favor. I think Crosby has been the more dominant player.

668
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: I'd argue both positions are very important. I'd argue defensive

669
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: end is more. He's a game wrecker, all right. I

670
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 1: probably lean towards Crosby and think about corners like, yes,

671
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: you know, when you theoretically when you don't throw out

672
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: then they are impacting in the game. But again, game

673
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Speaker 1: wrecker is different, like literally change the game, like take

674
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Speaker 1: the ball away, like make a play that just absolutely,

675
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, changes it. Crosby's got much more of an

676
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Speaker 1: ability to do that. So I think at the time

677
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: of the Sauce trade, I think people were quick to

678
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Speaker 1: just overlook Ady Mitchell, Like Ady Mitchell was kind of

679
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: in the Nick Cross of a draft pick, Eddie. When

680
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: you drafted Mitchell, they were very clear, there is growth needed.

681
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: This guy dazzled on the biggest stage in college football.

682
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: Why was he the tenth or eleventh wide out taken

683
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: because of some inconsistencies, because of some immaturity. So to

684
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Speaker 1: bail on that a year and a half into it,

685
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: it was something that I was like, I don't know

686
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Speaker 1: if we're fully kind of paying attention to this here,

687
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Speaker 1: Like that's more than just a throw in on a

688
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: two first round pick trade here now, I you know, again,

689
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to act like, you know, Mitchell had

690
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden shown everything or shown enough for

691
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Speaker 1: you to say, hey, he's untouchable or something along those lines. So,

692
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Speaker 1: you know, wide out wise, it's a position where you

693
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: know you can usually draft fairly well or they obviously

694
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: have good positional depth given the nature of college football today.

695
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Speaker 1: So I don't think to answer the question. I don't

696
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: think the Pittman trade makes me regret the moving of Mitchell.

697
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: There are other elements to the sauce trade. That again,

698
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Speaker 1: I don't think we're fully explored by Carl arsa Gordon company.

699
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: And it kind of gets back to the Jones contract.

700
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: You're backed into a corner. There's only so much you

701
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: can do there. And I'll go back to Carly saying

702
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: it was a positive and retaining Chris Ballard. But Eddie,

703
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: if your boss walked in to your office and said Eddie,

704
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Speaker 1: if you do this, you have a better chance of

705
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Speaker 1: keeping your job, you think you're gonna do it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, t your questions left. This is from Joel Hey KB,

709
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Speaker 2: curious to get your thoughts on the Colby Wooden trade.

710
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 2: Do you think they were looking for a potential divorce

711
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: buckan er type player in the event the medicals just

712
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: look shaky for Buckner returning to form. Do you think

713
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: the Colts would even look to move on from Buckner

714
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Speaker 2: in order to free up cap space to make a

715
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: big splash on Edge. Seems unlikely to Balor to make

716
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: a move like that, but he seems to be operating

717
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 2: differently this year compared to years past, and it makes

718
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 2: some sense to maybe part ways with a thirty plus

719
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: year old tackle coming off in major neck surgery in

720
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Speaker 2: exchange for a top tier free agent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, this kind of gets back to what thank

722
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Speaker 1: you Joe for this? You're the one that kind of

723
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Speaker 1: sparked it. I do think it's a little bit of

724
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: Buckner insurance. And again out of Tama, Attabarre is still

725
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: here now, he's in contract year. Ann Woulden. They both

726
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: held they were probably drafted decently close to each other,

727
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Speaker 1: were they not? Were they both the same draft? Uh?

728
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: Maybe were? Colby Wooden told Stephen Holder, I think you

729
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: guys might have been in the media. I think this

730
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: is during media yesterday that he was at a position

731
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: a nose tackle last season for Green Bay and that

732
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: the cults are expecting him to play more of his

733
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Speaker 2: natural position, which is the three tech or the five tech.

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Speaker 1: Tommy was one ten and Wooden was one sixteen overall

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Speaker 1: in that twenty twenty three draft. There, So, yeah, I

736
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: mean on paper, when you hear that, when you hear

737
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: what Eddie just shared, it's kind of like, Okay, where

738
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: exactly does all of this fit. Now we know the

739
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: baller wants to play in waves. You do have Neville

740
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: Gallimore gone. He played a lot of snaps for you

741
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: and a lot of key snaps for you last season.

742
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: So I'm not in the like, oh my gosh, to

743
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: force Buckner is not going to be ready. But you know, again,

744
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: I'll go back to the analogy I used earlier of like,

745
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: I think the Colts have put like Thanksgiving type plates

746
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: in front of the forest Buckner and go over Sue

747
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: in years past. And I think you just got a

748
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: lesson a little bit of that, especially with him getting

749
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: up the in age, especially with Bucket. Well, they say

750
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: Buckner should be ready for training camp. I believe coming

751
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: off in neck.

752
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, and Jones kept saying that was his goal

753
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: to be out there week one.

754
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: Right, And I don't want to put words in James

755
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: Boyd's mouth, but you know, he kind of got into

756
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: this at the end of the show that we just

757
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: wrapped up here on Friday, of like he I think

758
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: James is I believe Daniel Jones would be the Week

759
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: one starter. I don't think James is ready to come

760
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: out there on that island with me. I think he's

761
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: a little bit more hesitant, which is interesting. And we'll see. Obviously,

762
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: I don't get the feeling that they feel like they

763
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: need to go out and get the veteran quarterback. You know,

764
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: I think they would roll with Leonard. I'll be curious

765
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 1: who that other arm.

766
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: Is, whether that's another Draff pick.

767
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: Well, not so much that, I mean, didn't we have

768
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: a question about quarterback arms or something?

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Speaker 2: Our last questions from Jamie? Who are the offseason quarterbacks

770
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: for the Colts?

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00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: There you go, Yeah, so I assume Richardson will be

772
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: moved Riley Leonard Seth Hen again, I guess if Jones

773
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: is out for all of the spring, you probably need

774
00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: a third arm.

775
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: Did you bring in a Cooper rush, a Tyrod Taylor?

776
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Speaker 1: Well, but your third arm in the spring to your point, Eddie,

777
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: it could be a draft pick now, I mean, hell,

778
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: it seems like the Colts have like nineteen draft picks

779
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: at two, twenty and beyond in this year's draft. And

780
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: we'll see what the Richardson trade nets you. Yeah, I don't.

781
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: I think if you did, I'd still want ry Leonard

782
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: to get all those starting reps just to kind of

783
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: help his growth. And then how much does Jones do

784
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: in training camp. How much does he do in the

785
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: joint practices, how much does he do in the preseat.

786
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: You know, all of those are gonna be you know,

787
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: very very real questions. But I don't get the vibe

788
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: Jamie that like they're going out there and pursuing the

789
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: major vet you might see, and by major vet, I

790
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: just be kind of, you know, backup guy.

791
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: So like Kirk Cousins for example, correct.

792
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: No chance, I'd be stunned. But even like the Jacoby

793
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: Brissetts of the world, or the Minshoes of the world,

794
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: or they know Trubisky's of the world, Like, I don't

795
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: even see that necessarily.

796
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: Josh Johnson, well, I don't know.

797
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: Josh Johnson feels like he's in a different category. I

798
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: think he's played for every NFL team in the league.

799
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: That's what it feels like.

800
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: He's incredible. You got anything else? I have nothing else

801
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 1: that is Edward O. Garrison, I am Kevin Bowen.

802
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: Any big plans this weekend?

803
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: Uh, We're going to Lego World, Max Bowe and I

804
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: I think with my pops and my brother and his

805
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: son that is up at the State fair Grounds. It

806
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: sounds awesome. Maxell gosh, you better be well behaved. I mean,

807
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: that thing's gonna be great for him.

808
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: Make sure he keeps his shoes on. Don't want to

809
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: step on a lego.

810
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that'd be What was that was that Harry

811
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: and Home Alone who stepped on the ornament? Yeah, Oh

812
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: my gosh. The amount of foot injuries I have suffered

813
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: since having marks just it wasn't the amount of foot

814
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: and just a scream that the shriek of pain when

815
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 1: you step on an object. It's so pathetic how much

816
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: that hurts you, at least hurts me. Probably where I'm

817
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: at softy, Yeah, exactly. Lego world. What Rosie Bowen last

818
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: basketball game? Ryan Bowen Birthday Selection Sunday. I holding the

819
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: bracket is always such a it feels like you're holding

820
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: your first born.

821
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

822
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: When you hold that bracket for the first time on Sunday.

823
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: It's that first one that you feel like you're like, oh,

824
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 2: this is the one.

825
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: And then could we get USA Dominican Republic on Sunday.

826
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: In the World Baseball class in sign me up for that.

827
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: We go selection Sunday six o'clock that eight.

828
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: Oh boy, now you're cooking.

829
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: We are We're cooking with some reesa. There he is, Eddie,

830
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: I am Kevin. Thank you for listening to this. Hopefully

831
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: no Colt's crazy news too soon, but we'll be back

832
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Speaker 1: at some point