1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: My arguments has been constant. You do not back off ice, 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: you triple down. And the argument from the left that 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: what has happened in Minnesota has been terrible for Trump, 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: terrible for Republicans. None of this is real. None of 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: it now. It doesn't mean you don't change tactic. That 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: could happen, but the idea of not going after illegal 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: immigrants you can put all the sixteen year olds on 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: the street that you want, doesn't change reality, and the 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: voter will reward stick to itiveness. Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today, 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: it's just a voice. It's a cold and it's the voice, 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: and it's just a mess. Luckily I have Ed Morrissey 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: here and he sounds like an angel. 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Tony. I appreciate that. I don't think 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: that that's quite the case. I'd settle for, you know, 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: a Miller lite to esque sort of voice for. 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: Sounds like an angel and walks like a gazelle. Ed 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: Morrissey of hotair dot Com hot air Blog. You've got 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: the story, man, and we don't talk about these things, 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: you know, off air. I sometimes we do disagree, but sometimes, man, 20 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: you are just Johnny on the spot. 21 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: What the media won't say about Minnesota. 22 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: Trump won I wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying. I 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: want you to break it down. What is it that 24 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: you're saying. 25 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,279 Speaker 2: First off, what I'm saying is that Trump has forced 26 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 2: Minnesota out of its sanctuary city policies. Prior to Operation 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: Metro Surge, Minnesota refused to cooperate with Immigrations and Customs 28 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: Enforcement and Border Patrol. They wouldn't they wouldn't honor ICE 29 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: detainment requests, they wouldn't transfer the detainees uh, and they 30 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: would release them back into the Twin Cities communities, which 31 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: is the reason why ICE had to go out in 32 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,639 Speaker 2: those communities to find those people in the first place. 33 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: And what has happened since the two shootings of Renee 34 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: Good and Alex Pretty is that Donald Trump changed tactics. 35 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 2: This is your point. You don't change the mission, You 36 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: change tactics, You improve, you adapt, you overcome. And appointing 37 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: Tom Holman in that role gave him an opportunity for 38 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 2: everybody to take breath and for Tom Homan to deliver 39 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: the message that if you want us to start drawing 40 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: down agents here, you have to stop the sanctuary city refusals, 41 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: and you have to start cooperating with ICE and Department 42 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 2: of Homeland Security. And that's what is actually happening. That's 43 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: how this is being resolved, is that Tim Waltz and 44 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: Jacob Fry are grudgingly and I mean grudgingly starting to 45 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: cooperate now with ICE and the same way that every 46 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 2: other jurisdiction in the United States doesn't. 47 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: Let me stop you others. 48 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: So I think if it's a little lost on people 49 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: that what Homan announced earlier this week is that we 50 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: can withdraw seven hundred ICE agents, really these border patrol guys, 51 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: because they were only there to give ICE support because 52 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: local law enforcement was nowhere to be found. 53 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 3: But now local law enforcement is doing their job, we 54 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 3: don't need these guys. 55 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: So for the left, they have to accept the fact 56 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: that Holman and I'm sorry that Timlahugh's, the governor, Jacob Fray, 57 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: and the mayor of Minneapolis are working with ICE. 58 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 3: The left cannot have this. The left does not believe 59 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: in finding a deal. 60 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: The left believes in destroying their enemy until their enemy 61 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: is dead. So there has to be a conversation of 62 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: response to this. And the only response I could come 63 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: to is the left is willing to burn those guys 64 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: down to and anybody in the party who. 65 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: Might think that Trump is somehow in the right. 66 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: Well, and you're seeing this in Capitol Hill too. Remember 67 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: we just had the continuing Resolution while they're still haggling 68 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: over reforms for ICE. And you know, these things are 69 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: kind of no brainers. You know, body camera requiring body 70 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: cameras that should have been done a few years back. 71 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: And Christy Noam says, send me the money, I'll by 72 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: the body cams. That's fine, U. There's some issues about training, 73 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: and that's fine too. Nobody's going to object more training 74 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: for ICE agents. There's going to be some things that 75 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: Democrats want. They want judicial warrants on any arrests, and 76 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: that's not going to fly. This is not a judicial process. 77 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: It's an administrative process, and administrative warrants is are all 78 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: they need. And so there's this fight that's going on. 79 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: But that's the details. The overall arching thing is that 80 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 2: the radicals are really angry that House Democrats allowed that 81 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: funding to go through even for two weeks, and when 82 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 2: they have to cut a deal for the rest of 83 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: the year, and they're going to have to because the 84 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 2: funding is being held up for TSA for FEMA, and 85 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: you know, and for the Coastguard. They have to cut 86 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: a deal on this. They're going to lose their minds 87 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: when ICE gets its funding for the rest of the year, 88 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 2: and that's what's going to end up having to happen. 89 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: There was twenty one Democrats that across the aisle on 90 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: the cr because their constituents are not in favor of 91 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: abolishing ICE. They are not in favor of coming off 92 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: mission in arresting and deporting a legal limics. 93 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: So this brings us to something I talk about all 94 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: the time, and I know you're talking about as well 95 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: talking to Ed Morrissey of hotair dot com. The left 96 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,559 Speaker 1: always overplays their hand. Yes, the Left could have gone 97 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: on and on about Renee Good and Alex pretty not 98 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: been honest about what had happened, only call ICE murders, 99 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 1: which is a despicable and disgusting thing to do, and they. 100 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 3: Could have gotten traction, serious traction. But they overplay. 101 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: And the overplay is exactly where they were about defund 102 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: the police. They still believe this exactly, defund ICE, defund DHS, 103 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: Department of Homeland Security, which for. 104 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 3: The record, if you told me we were getting rid 105 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: of the Department of Homeland Security. 106 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: I would look at you and say, Okay, wouldn't bother 107 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: me in the slide. Department of Homeland Security, Department of Education. 108 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: There are a lot of departments I'm more than happy 109 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: to get rid of. But the overplaying their hand leads 110 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: to this situation that you're describing. How does the base 111 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: now look at the party and not look at them 112 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: as liars or frauds or hypocrites or with anger derision 113 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: holding their money back not voting The Left creates a 114 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: problem for themselves every time they put themselves in a box. 115 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: How is it viewed how this is going to play 116 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: out for them as we start walking towards the midterm. 117 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: This is the problem with overpromising and under delivering in politics. 118 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: These guys are way out over their skis on the 119 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: idea that they're going to shut down ICE. They've been 120 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: talking about shutting down ICE, by the way, as long 121 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: as they have been talking about abolishing the police right 122 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: defunding the police. The ICE was part of that conversation 123 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: six years ago when the riots began in Minneapolis, same 124 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: city where the George Floyd death in police custody, these 125 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 2: ICE was part of that same conversation. The people do 126 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: not want to defund the police. People want immigration laws enforced, 127 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: and that was the issue in the twenty twenty four election. 128 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: They had the opportunity to continue non enforcement with Kamala 129 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: Harris or upgraded in intense enforcement with Donald Trump. That 130 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: was a very clear choice. Is one of the clearest 131 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: choices in the twenty twenty four election. Donald Trump won 132 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: that election. He was the first Republican to win by 133 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: the popular vote in twenty years, and that means something. 134 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: And these people are just sore that they lost the election. 135 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: That they're on the wrong side of this question. In 136 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: some instances, it's actually an eighty twenty question when you're 137 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: talking about criminal illegal aliens, violent illegal alien hold on 138 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: and they're on the wrong side of this. 139 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: Oh, you're one hundred percent right. 140 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: And you know, Harry entered over there at CNN was 141 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: sharing some of that data and people lost their minds. 142 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: Over seventy five percent of people people are white, seventy 143 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: five percent of people are spanning, seventy two percent of 144 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: people who are black. The numbers are very clear that 145 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: people support, for example, voter ID and they support what 146 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: it is regarding law enforcement. Removing illegal immigrants, and the 147 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: left on both of those sides have put themselves in 148 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: a very precarious situation. The question that I asked was, 149 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: where do we see a result that it hurt them? 150 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: Because I can logically walk through this with you, and 151 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: you'll say things I agree with and vice versa, and say, Okay, 152 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: this should mean a depressed voter turnout, this should mean 153 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: anger with a candidate, and they're going to go about 154 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: engaging a primary of this person with somebody even more radical, 155 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: someone that AOC decides to nominate and or support, like 156 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: is happening in New. 157 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: Jersey right now. But in the end, I never see 158 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 3: that in a large scale way. 159 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: I see the left rallying around and again Trump bad, 160 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: and no matter their anger, it doesn't seem to matter. 161 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: Is there a moment where the overplay of the hands 162 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: leads to a serious, serious issue with voter turnout and 163 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: losing elections? 164 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you saw it in twenty twenty four. I mean really, 165 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 2: you honestly saw it in twenty twenty four. This was 166 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: and it wasn't just the fact that Joe Biden was 167 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: sen Island that the Democrat Party was covering it up. 168 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: That was part of the context of that. But honestly, 169 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 2: the main issue, the biggest issue in that election, the 170 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: biggest difference between the two candidates was on immigration, and 171 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: it was very clear. You know, there's economic arguments on 172 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: both sides, there were some differences, and the approach that 173 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: were more incremental immigration was clear. Kamala Harris wasn't going 174 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: to enforce immigration law. Donald Trump was, and he was 175 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: going to do it ruthlessly, and that's exactly what people 176 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: voted for. Now, I don't think you'll see the moment 177 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: that you're looking for until you get to the midterms, 178 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: and there's gonna be lots of things that go into 179 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: that mid into midterms. A lot of those things are 180 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: local issues or you know, you've got all these different 181 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: redistricting efforts that are going on this year. Virginia just 182 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: voted for a really crazy map, Texas is redistricted, the 183 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: California apparently is going to go with their redistricting. There's 184 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 2: going to be all sorts of this type of fallout. However, 185 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: I think that when you are on the right side 186 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 2: of an eighty twenty issue or a seventy five to 187 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: twenty five issue, that's going to have some impact and 188 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: the thing about midterms, they're not special elections. Everybody knows them, 189 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: they plan for it, they come up. Those are the 190 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: ones that you want to. 191 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: Watch for. 192 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that Republicans are going to win it either. 193 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: They have to go out and they have to make 194 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: the argument. However, on immigration enforcement and on crime in general. 195 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: I'd rather be on the Republican side at the moment 196 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 2: than on the Democrats side. The Democrats are way out 197 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 2: of line with the thrust of the electric as it 198 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 2: stands right now, and the radicals are running the show. 199 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: Edmarsci hootair dot com, stay right there, got to take 200 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: the quick break. 201 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: Keep it here, everybody. I'm on Tony Katz. This is 202 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 3: Tony Katz today. 203 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: No, I wasn't playing anyone talking to Edmarssey hotair dot 204 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: com about redistricting, but he brought it up because redistricting 205 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: is an example of the opposite of how they handled Ice. 206 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 3: You don't retreat from Ice doing their job. You demand 207 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,599 Speaker 3: that the laws and the books be followed. Redistricting is 208 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 3: a political process. 209 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: You can blame Trump for bringing it up, you can 210 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: blame blame Texas for getting it started. But once it's here, 211 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: it's here and you have to deal with reality. Tony Katz, 212 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today, good to be with you. Ed Marcy 213 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: joins me right now. 214 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: Hotair dot com. 215 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: My beloved Indiana, which is seven two seven Republicans, two 216 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: Democrats seeds, because that's what it is right now. They 217 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: refuse to redistrict. They wouldn't do it, they did not 218 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: vote for it. Now, I will tell you that I 219 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: thought the White House did a terrible job with the 220 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: campaign here. I thought Jadvance did a terrible job speaking 221 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: to the Republicans in private as opposed to engaging publicly. 222 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: I thought the influencers did a crap job. I have 223 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: said so, I meant it. The Republicans were still wrong 224 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: because they don't understand the fight. They that this is 225 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: about being a nice guy and looking good to Democrats 226 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: who will still call them Nazis. This is a political process, 227 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: and when you're an elected official, like it or. 228 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 3: Not, you are in the great game. And this was 229 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: about trying to ensure advantage. Meanwhile, as you were noting, Maryland. 230 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: And Virginia have written some insane maps because Democrats are 231 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: willing to play politics and Republicans want to play nice, 232 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: talk to me about these two maps as. 233 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: You're seeing them and where you think this goes. 234 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 2: Well, Remember that the claim about Texas was that it 235 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: was going to be too Republican and it wasn't fairly 236 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: representing Democrat. 237 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: Voters in the state. 238 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 2: The new map that was trawn in Texas, well, the 239 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 2: Maryland map, I think will result in I think it 240 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 2: was the Maryland map will result in zero Republican districts, 241 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: even though Republicans are about forty to forty two percent 242 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 2: of the voting electorate or voting results in Maryland elections. 243 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: In virgin I think it's one. I think there's going 244 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: to be one seat that might be able to be 245 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: held by Republicans. And the same sort of thing right, 246 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: this is California redistricted, so that I think it's like 247 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: twelve percent of the seats are going to be Republican 248 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: even though they their votes comprise forty percent of the 249 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: vote in these national election cycles. And so the idea 250 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 2: that this is somehow fairness is nonsense. This is this 251 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 2: is brute force politics. Texas did start it. Trump started 252 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: it by pushing Texas into doing it. Florida is probably 253 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: going to engage in if the I think Florida might 254 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: even already be drawing a map. 255 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: And. 256 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: So Indiana should have at this point said, look, we're 257 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 2: going to have to do this simply because it's part 258 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:51,359 Speaker 2: of making sure that we are competitive in house elections. 259 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: So Maryland went with an eight to zero map, Virginia 260 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: did go with a ten to one map, And while 261 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: we still have a couple of minutes, the argument here 262 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: is about the actual fight that we are in, and 263 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: that the right is not dealing with the left that's 264 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: going to honorably handle anything they want to beat you, 265 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: no matter how they beat you. And Republicans still haven't 266 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: learned this base lesson what's going to teach them. 267 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: Well, losing the House, I think is what's going to 268 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: finally end up teaching them, at least for a couple 269 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: of cycles. Now, after the twenty thirty census, a lot 270 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: of those seats are going to shift to red states 271 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: because that's where people are moving. So this is one 272 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: of the reasons why I said maybe it wasn't a 273 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: wise decision to do this in twenty twenty six is 274 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 2: because wait, a couple more cycles, and it's going to 275 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: just fall into your lap anyway without without opening up 276 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: Pandora's box of mid cycle redistricting. But here we are, 277 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: and now that this fight is on and it's a 278 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: legitimate political process, then you have to start looking at 279 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: other states understanding that and starting to follow the same process. 280 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: And it's very frustrating to me that Indiana Republic and 281 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: still haven't figured out that this is that this is 282 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: not a collegial atmosphere in which you played by the 283 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: marquess the Queensbury rules. I would say this is very 284 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: much like the recount that took place in Minnesota where 285 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: Norm Coleman, God bless him. I love Norm, He's a 286 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: great guy. But his team brought, you know, ludifus to 287 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: a knife fight. You break out, and and and and 288 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: the and the. 289 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 3: Al Franken team played by the rules. 290 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 2: They just played really by the rules, not by not 291 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: by the good. 292 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 3: Feelings sort of thing. 293 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: And and so yeah, that that to me is a 294 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,239 Speaker 2: kind of an analogy what we're seeing this year with redistricting. 295 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: Ed Marrasci hotair dot com. Be sure to follow him there. 296 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time to be with us. 297 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to get into Katanji Brown Jackson at the 298 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: Grammys and where The problem is because, oh my gosh, 299 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: there is a problem with Katanji Brown Jackson at the 300 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: Grammys and the story of Wes Moore, who I said 301 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: was a contender. 302 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: He's more of a pretender. You won't believe it, so 303 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: you hear it. Keep it here on Tony Katz. This 304 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 3: is Tony Kats Today.