WEBVTT - Bugonia 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:10.600 The Frames per Second Podcast. Welcome everybody to the Frames 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:12.680 per Second Podcast. My name is Kenny and is joining 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:17.239 me on the show. I have Mike and Spike whatever. Uh. 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:23.360 Today we're talking about the new movie Butgona that just 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:33.080 released with Emma Stone, Jesse Plemons, Aiden Delvis, Alicia, Alicia 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:38.479 Silverstone and stav Ross Hilkias. I don't know why to 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:43.519 say that, but anyway. It is an English remake of 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.559 a two thousand and three South Korean cult film titled 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:53.440 Save the Green Planet by Yan Wan Wan Young. 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:58.400 Who all right, bro, just need it, just move on man. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:05.920 Jang Jang James Ju Wan uh. He is directed by 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.839 your Goos Latmos, known for the Lobster of the Favorite 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:14.880 and Poor Things, which would have explained some of how 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:19.520 this look. And it's a dark observice comedy that blends 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:23.440 sophi hor and satire and as it was made in 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.000 Ireland and South Korea and US, so the whole thing 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.080 about the whole movie. The premise is two men kidnapped 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:33.160 a pharma ceo they believe is an alien bent on 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:41.119 destroying Earth. So yeah, that's what that is. I'm trying 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:46.840 to find because Bagonia actually is a I'm trying to 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.000 find I had the definition of what that actual word 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:49.720 actually meant. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.280 It's a Greek word. 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:55.480 It's a myth that bees come from the carcasses of 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:56.320 dead cows. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:58.360 That's what you mean? 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:07.560 Yeah, so yeah, oh yeah, it is right there. But yeah, anyway, Spike, 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:13.280 you were interested in seeing in watching this movie. We 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:17.880 have now watched it. What did you think. 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.880 I didn't hate it. I will say that I was 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.640 interested because I thought Emma Stone the preview was interesting, 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.200 just them acting like she was an alien or thinking 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.840 that she was an alien. I'm here for Jesse Clemons. 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:33.440 I think he does a good job in all of 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.360 his movies. That was another reason that I wanted to 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:39.360 see it. But the main reason that I wanted to 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.320 see it because I was guessing from the previews. I 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.520 thought she's definitely going to be an alien because it 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:46.880 don't look like they trying to sell us on this 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.639 being ridiculous. So I did. I pulled a rod and 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.400 I was thinking going into it, she's gonna end up 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.840 being an alien. I will sway during the film that 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.280 she was not. They played it very well, I thought. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.600 But then of course we'll talk about the ending. But 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:01.880 all in all, I'm not mad that I've seen it, 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:03.080 but I could have watched it on streaming. 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:06.440 Could you have watched it on streaming? 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.400 Make Yeah, I could have watched it on streaming, but 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:09.880 I still had I loved this movie. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.359 I had a fun time with it. It was definitely 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.799 a fun movie. It kept it kept me engaged the 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.160 whole time. It was slow, like you were saying earlier, 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.280 it was slow, but I was fine with it being slow. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.360 But I was not fine with the dude who seats 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.640 down from me falling to sleep and snoring, but he 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.040 paid for his seat, his business. But nah, man, this 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.600 was this was this was really good. I'm really interested 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.600 to see what y'all's take is with the with the ending. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:41.000 Yeah, I had no interest in seeing the movie. I 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:46.280 didn't know anything about it, but like you guys, I 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.680 definitely walked away. I was like, damn, I actually glad 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.800 to watched that. I really enjoyed it. I was concerned 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:56.000 because I think the whole kidnapping kind of happened early, 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.040 and I was like, how they're gonna stretch this out 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.360 for a whole movie, But they found no way to 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:05.240 do it and and kept it very engaging. So yeah, 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.400 so I arrived a little bit late. So when I 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:16.520 walked in, uh uh, Emma Stone's character, Michelle Fuller was 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.560 walking into the building, and then we got. 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.880 To, oh, you didn't miss a whole five minutes. 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:25.320 Well, so it just kind of started. 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.159 You missed the because it starts off with the with 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:34.039 the Bees with Teddy and Don and the Bees, but 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:36.640 only for like a minute or two, and then it 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:37.000 cuss to. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.080 Her, right, all right, cool, cool cool cool cool? Yeah. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:44.440 So yeah, so so I didn't as much great, so yeah, so, so, yeah, 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:49.240 we see Michelle Faller walking in the ceo of Otsolip, 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:55.680 you meet Teddy then Afterwheard and his newer divergent cousin Don, 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.800 Teddy believes that that she is part of an alien 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.800 race called the Dramatist and he wants to kidnap her. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:09.360 This whole thing behind the movie, and you know, they 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.600 kind of really just dropped us into it, and they 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.680 just kind of talking about this whole thing with very 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:18.640 little background about why. They kind of filled in those 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.400 gaps as we moved along. But but yeah, so what 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.279 did you guys kind of think about our introduction to 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:29.720 Teddy don Emma as well, because she's meeting with her 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:31.720 staff and she's walking around to my Oh, yeah, you 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:33.400 can leave early unless you got a lot of work 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:37.039 to do. So it's a lot of like references to 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.120 things that are happening now with her being find a 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.320 like fate liberal. Is that kind of what we imply that? 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:44.480 I wasn't getting that. 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.960 What do I just got that she is one of 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.680 those corporate bosses that tries to ack like she cares 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.760 about her people, but she don't. But she doesn't give 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.640 a fuck. She's like, oh, you can leave. I want 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:58.360 y'all to know that you have the option to leave 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.919 early unless it's a bunch of words. Yeah, then I 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:02.560 need you to get the work done. But if you 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:04.560 don't have much work, you can leave early, but you 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:08.680 don't have to. That's that sounds like some corporate speak bullshit. 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.920 Right, Because she was doing a whole diversity recording too 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:14.720 as well, So that's why I was like, it felt 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:18.200 like some very fake corporate bullshit that they were doing 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.640 to make the company look good, but they really don't 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:21.640 give a fuck. Right. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.400 That got the same thing overcompensating CEO, like acting like 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.800 she's there for people. To your point, I did like 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.120 that they dropped us into it without much context, because 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:34.279 it swayed throughout the movie where you're thinking Jessea Clemens, 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.640 like he's just a crazy person, dude, Like just dropping 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:39.880 us into it and him giving the context kind of stuff, 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.159 and you like, if you've met people like this and 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:43.960 you've seen on you like, oh this, this is some 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.600 weird crazy person has these theories and ideas that are 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:49.960 nowhere near the truth. So I did like that not 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.880 having much backstory and it being revealed throughout the movie. 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:54.400 I thought that was very well done. 0:06:55.640 --> 0:07:02.040 Yeah. Yeah, so they they moved forward their playing. They 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:07.200 kidnapped they man, they know no, they did a chemical 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:16.320 castration on themselves, on themselves, which is very extreme. Don 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:20.280 definitely didn't want to do it. Yeah, yeah. 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:33.360 You think so, Hell, we don't know. 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.840 I can pretty much assume. And I think it had 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:39.400 something to do with when we found out later to. 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:46.040 About the sheriff sharecase interviews and yeah, uh, because we've 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:46.960 already passed apart. 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.320 Did y'all not notice the Atlanta spots? 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:54.760 Yeah? Okay about spots? Ye shot down here? 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:56.240 Was it? Yeah? 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:56.960 Absolutely? 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.160 When they were walking they were off Morelands and I 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.120 bugged out in the theater when they went to Goodwill. 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.000 We'll get to that part later, but that's my good will. 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:06.600 That's a good will I'm always at. That's over in 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.320 West End. I was tripping out the whole You didn't 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:12.320 know this fucking Freedom Parkway at the end. 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.600 When they were walking in some places, you could tell 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:16.000 like that that was cocky. 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:17.880 Yeah, you're talking about good Will when they went to 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:19.800 get all the equipment they needed to kidnap. 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:20.080 Yeah. 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.080 And there's a part where they're walking and they're right 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.720 in front of there's that Kroger in that city. 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:25.600 What is it? 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:30.440 What's that shitty ass clothing store city of City trends. Yeah, 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.760 over by the shoe store on Moorlands. 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:33.160 Yeah. 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.000 Man, there was a lot of Atlanta spots in this movie. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:41.959 Damn. Yeah. Yeah, I totally missed that because they're. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:42.960 In Georgia in the movie. 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:47.440 Oh but they're supposed to be in like rural Georgia, 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:48.680 but I mean they're not. 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:55.040 Yeah, okay, yeah, I totally missed that. But their their 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.880 kidnapping playing was terrible. It was bro was they She 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.120 whooped there and Don got. 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.240 Doc got Molly walking just stayed on the ground. 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.839 Yeah, he wanted no parts. But I told y'all, man, 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:12.160 them shoes come off, bro. 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.640 That ship at me dying, but she kicked her shoes off. 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.680 I was about to fuck y'all up. And about the 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:22.360 they built up to it. They showed her a little 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.560 montage when she work out and do his whole thing. 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.560 But that was interesting that they were like they were 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.680 they were showing her working out. Then they were showing 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:30.959 themselves working out and. 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.520 It was doing and they were doing bullshit. That was like, 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.199 that's not y'all not ready at all. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.200 Yeah, yeah, but eventually got it, I thought, you know, 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.679 of course he hit it with the you know, hit 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.520 it with a needle and she passed out. But yeah, 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:50.160 they they were not good at the job. But and 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:54.640 Don's feeling terrible about the idea. He's not convinced at 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.680 all with this whole thing. He's just kind of going 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.840 along with it, dog man. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:05.520 I know, because he got this fucking idiot who's like 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.160 he got to follow and like he just doesn't have 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.960 the mental capacity to say no, well do other things 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:13.400 like you think. He thinks this is life. 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:15.800 He told he's a hero. 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:21.440 He said he was mentally I'm saying, yeah, I mean 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:27.760 the neual divergent what did he saying, I guess I 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.000 mean was it was was Teddy really an idiot? 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:35.080 That good point. We'll get to it at yeah, good point. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:40.720 Well, you know, I think, because well no, he he, 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:44.600 he came across as one early. A lot of the 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.560 things he was saying is logic sounded like some country 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:53.720 conspiracy theorists that is traumatized because of to his mom 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.440 and this is his way of coping with that. But 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.319 then there's language and things he was saying. They was like, 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.120 wait a minute, that actually sounded smart, you know. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:04.679 Like you read a book. 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:12.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. But nevertheless, so they kidnapped her, 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.760 and they shave her head and they smear with anahissamine 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:21.520 cream and demand that she contact the mothership. Now a 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:25.320 lot of this stuff sounded crazy, like hair being the 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.760 way that she communicates to her people like that shit 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:33.040 sounds stupid as hell. So all this shit sounded like 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:35.679 they're just making shit up. And then there's they had 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:39.319 three to four days before the lunar eclips, and then 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.000 you get the title cards, of course, and then we 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.640 get a flashback of Teddy's mother who was left coming 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.520 to us by the drug and Michelle covered it up, 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:53.160 but she's funding the treatment and police began searching for Michelle, 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:57.680 and then we also meet Sheriff Casey as well. So 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.400 the just overall tone, what did you guys thinking about 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:04.040 the opening tone? Tragic, ridiculous, funny. 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.600 I think they did a really good job of making 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.840 it just funny enough, because without the humor, it would 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:15.440 have been even slower than it was. But as the audience, 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:17.640 as we look at it, we're like, is this supposed 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.040 to be funny or am I just like because I 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:20.840 was the only person in my theater that was laughing 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.400 and stuff like it was quiet in there and then 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.559 it was people in there, But I just like, I 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:30.040 loved the dark humor and like the whole you're an 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.600 alien even with the electric when they electrocuted her, I 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.440 thought that was great. And he just looked like this 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.920 mad scientist who was just fucking crazy, but it came 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.120 off funny, like just the conversation that she would have 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.800 and how she was respond to him like, man, you're 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.760 the most ridiculous person on earth. Like, So I think 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.960 that both of them, Jesse Pleming's and what's her name, 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.640 Emma Strong, I think both of them were doing a 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.680 fantastics even Dawn like to act that way, Like I 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:04.480 think he is that way. Oh here's Frue because that 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.240 was one of the nights. No, he's not that way. 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.199 I was sitting that thing and I was like, well 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:09.280 he acting this ass? 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.120 Wait, No, you're joking. 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:16.120 No, I'm pretty sure he's Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I'm positive. 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.360 Yeah, because when I was reading up on him, it 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:22.560 said that he is this was a very inclusive cast, 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.120 and then when they showed him taking a picture, he 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:26.640 kind of looked like. 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:30.439 I would he hate fool even still good job. 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:32.480 That. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:34.600 I was like, well, he is killing. 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.560 This because I thought he was the hands going so bro, 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.040 I'm spike. I thought he was acting. 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:42.720 I was he was still doing the hands in the 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:44.040 picture I saw. That's why I was like, oh, I 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:48.319 think he actually acting this ass. But yeah, like I 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.559 think they did a really good job of captioning everything 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.839 and keeping you as an audience. Man was just confused, 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.880 like bro, what is going on? And then slowly released 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:57.280 and stuff. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.320 It said that he's on the autism spectrum, but he 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.640 might but he probably was acting. 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.960 He's you know, I don't think he's. 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:09.559 All as that character, right, I don't know a nice 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:10.120 way to put it. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.880 But yeah, no, he he was great. He was great. 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.720 I believed everything the whole time. They all killed it. 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:23.840 What, Mike, were you surprised that she didn't seem all 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.640 that concern and when she woke. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.720 Up, No, I wasn't. 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.760 Well, I wasn't surprised because like Spike, I also thought, oh, 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:35.240 she's an alien, because I was like the way his 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.600 movies are, I'm like, oh, yeah, you're you're trying to 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:39.360 make us not think she's an alien, which means she's 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.760 gonna be an alien. But I think that they were 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:45.880 making a commentary on just the elite, rich elites, you know, 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.280 how they deal with the public. So when she woke 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.560 up and she was just like, oh, I'm still in charge. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:52.640 All I gotta do is talk to you a certain 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:53.960 kind of way and I'm gonna get out of this. 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.880 I was like, Yep, that's that's how Elon would act 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.600 if somebody fucking kidnapped his bitch ass. 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:01.120 He would act like he's still in charge. 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:05.080 I'm smarter than eventually say something to get out of. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:12.200 This, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Initially, yeah, I didn't go 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.920 in like trying to figure out what what with her 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.800 I think it was halfway through the movie. It was 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:21.680 because I think they did a job of trying to 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.400 keep you off, you know, if you didn't go in 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.720 and be like, oh, she's she's an alien. And it 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:31.600 was one point when Don was like, man, I don't 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.480 think she's an alien. I think she's a human. I 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.200 think it was the torture scene when she was being 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.400 election here. I think he was really concernative, like, bro, 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.240 I think she's actually a human. I think that was 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:45.520 good enough to kind of throw people off track, because yeah, 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.920 that was that was pretty brutal, brutal, but yeah, the 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.800 whole you know, basically talking to them like she was 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:54.720 the boss, you know, and and Teddy was not going 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.440 for it at all, Like she would say certain things 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:59.840 and he would be able to respond back with something. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.400 Is when you get a chance to really see its intelligence, 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.440 you know, shine through. And you know, at one point 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.440 she kind of realized that she was up against a 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:11.880 forminal opponent and she can't talk him out of letting 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:13.640 her go because she was saying all kind of ship 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:17.000 that they'll say, oh, i'll give you money or this, 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.800 that and the other, and he was like, nah, I'm 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:23.800 not I'm not biting it. Yeah yeah, yeah. 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.720 Yeah, she ran through the gamus. She tried with being 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:27.880 dominant and forest boy, it didn't work. Then she tried 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:31.200 to appeal to their you know, whatever sensibility she could 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:35.280 possibly figure out. That didn't work. I think they might 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:40.000 have mentioned that they were castrated. Yeah, something around. 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.240 Because like, I'm sure she was going to try the 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.600 whole you know, I think you're cute kind of thing 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:47.040 and she did. You know, that wasn't gonna work. So 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.080 so no, man, he was, he was, he was on it. 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:51.360 Yeah, he was like, nah, it's not gonna yeah, because 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.240 he's like he told hers that's not gonna work. A 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.640 chemical chemically castrated. She was like what the fuck? 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:57.720 Was like damn. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:05.640 Yeah, but what did you guys think about the sheriff Casey? 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.399 I thought something was up with him the second he 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.399 shut up on screen. Yeah, he was weird. He was 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.720 saber weird energy as soon as he knocked on the 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.240 door and was like, I want to imposed. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:16.359 But this is the first thing when he was riding 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:20.560 on the bike and he pulled them over. Oh okay, okay, 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.120 yeah it was it was. It was really weird and awkward, 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:27.840 almost like he made well we revealed later, we found out, 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.920 but if you saw it, like it seemed like either 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.919 they were in a relationship or something happened. 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:35.720 Yeah, that's how it gave. 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:41.040 It gave the impression that something physical had happened between 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:42.800 the two of them. And at first I was like, 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.840 am I just reading into this? This is like some 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.360 weird internalized homophobia or something that I was But after 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:50.720 a while I was like, no, I don't think i'm 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.520 reading into this. I think something happened, But I never 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.960 thought that they were in a relationship. I assumed that 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.520 the sheriff raped him because of how he was acting. 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.160 So yeah, it was very awkward because you could tell 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.399 that Teddy just wanted to fucking leave. 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.320 Teddy wanted to get away from this dude the whole time, 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.440 and he just kept its worried about you just wanted 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.080 to come to see how you're doing. It was just weird. 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:16.119 Yeah. I think he was kind of walking up on him. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.399 He was kind of backing up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:24.680 so yeah, it was really really odd. But so anyway, 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.440 so yeah, so that's kind of like the beginning where 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.320 they were kind of setting everything up. But this is 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.199 where I was concerned because I'm like, man, we have 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:38.240 a lot of movie left, so how are they going 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.919 to manage the rest of this? Because now the police 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.359 are searching for and then things start to escalate because 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:50.840 we get flashbacks of why we're here, further sending us 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.880 to the audience that he may be actually crazy and 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.800 unable to cope with what happened to his mom, you know, 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.760 and that she's not an alien, and that he's doing 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.840 this because he wants to get revenge. And then we 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:09.200 get you know, torture scenes and the you know, electro 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.720 shock and all this other stuff. What do you guys 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.520 think about the backstory with with Teddy's mom? 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:20.320 That bothered me because in what universe is Alicia Silverstone 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.040 Jesse Plemman's mom? 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:27.200 It made you no fucking sense. And I was watching 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:28.480 it and I was like, that's not his mom, must 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.360 be his sister. But then when he kept saying that's 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.320 my mom, I was like, wait what And I had 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.320 to look at the make sure I'm not tripping. But 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:38.360 they're only like ten years apart. She didn't even look 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.639 anywhere near old enough to be his mother. So now 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:43.840 I'm wondering, is this part of the movie. Is this 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:47.680 some kind of symbolism. I don't know, maybe like a 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.280 rural Georgia, Like is that what they were going for? 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:52.880 She was all the type stuff she had him when 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:54.760 she was twelve. Then yeah, I think that's what they 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.879 took it anyway, because did he ever mention their dad? 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.399 The dad left, right? But they Okay, I was. 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:04.040 I didn't even look at the age thing. 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:08.840 It just didn't look like that was shed because. 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.800 I think because he well, yeah, I guess you're right, 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:16.840 I just automatically turned him into a child and that 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:20.679 he was just remembering having these visions and he was 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.600 just as an adult remembering things. He was just surrounded 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:26.480 by like these these images of. 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:29.160 But he saw her when he went to the hospital 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.239 later and there was Alicia Silverstone. 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:34.480 So I was like, wait, no, wait, what this doesn't 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:38.159 make any sense. It wasn't a huge deal, but his 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.520 reasoning because of his mother, that made sense, and it 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.880 added to the sway of she's not an alien, he's 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.439 just mad, he's he's crazy. Like it gave to that 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.760 primise like Okay, I'm seeing now that with how they're 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:52.159 trying to do. 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.879 But yeah, you think about the US Healthcare guy, uh, 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:59.560 the CEO that was killed, you know, and and that 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.280 was a violent at that led to the depth of 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:07.240 him because of you know, I think it was personal 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.639 situation after him, and in this movie you have some 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.560 of that kind of parallels that a very personal traumatic 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.080 experience to him. His mom is in a coma because 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:20.280 of this experimental drug where rule Georgia. You know, so 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:26.000 there this corporations taking advantage of people, uh in this 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.639 community because they probably weren't able to afford it. So 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:33.040 they're being basically predators and using them for experiments. Yeah, 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:38.159 you know. So and this led to his mom, you know, 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:44.720 being in the hospital comatos. But yeah, so you have 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:49.000 the electric shock scene. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:52.159 Wait a minute, wait a minute. Was this before or 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.640