Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast. Welcome everybody to the Frames
Speaker 1: per Second Podcast. My name is Kenny and is joining
Speaker 1: me on the show. I have Mike and Spike whatever. Uh.
Speaker 1: Today we're talking about the new movie Butgona that just
Speaker 1: released with Emma Stone, Jesse Plemons, Aiden Delvis, Alicia, Alicia
Speaker 1: Silverstone and stav Ross Hilkias. I don't know why to
Speaker 1: say that, but anyway. It is an English remake of
Speaker 1: a two thousand and three South Korean cult film titled
Speaker 1: Save the Green Planet by Yan Wan Wan Young.
Speaker 2: Who all right, bro, just need it, just move on man.
Speaker 1: Jang Jang James Ju Wan uh. He is directed by
Speaker 1: your Goos Latmos, known for the Lobster of the Favorite
Speaker 1: and Poor Things, which would have explained some of how
Speaker 1: this look. And it's a dark observice comedy that blends
Speaker 1: sophi hor and satire and as it was made in
Speaker 1: Ireland and South Korea and US, so the whole thing
Speaker 1: about the whole movie. The premise is two men kidnapped
Speaker 1: a pharma ceo they believe is an alien bent on
Speaker 1: destroying Earth. So yeah, that's what that is. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find because Bagonia actually is a I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find I had the definition of what that actual word
Speaker 1: actually meant.
Speaker 2: It's a Greek word.
Speaker 3: It's a myth that bees come from the carcasses of
Speaker 3: dead cows.
Speaker 2: That's what you mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, oh yeah, it is right there. But yeah, anyway, Spike,
Speaker 1: you were interested in seeing in watching this movie. We
Speaker 1: have now watched it. What did you think.
Speaker 2: I didn't hate it. I will say that I was
Speaker 2: interested because I thought Emma Stone the preview was interesting,
Speaker 2: just them acting like she was an alien or thinking
Speaker 2: that she was an alien. I'm here for Jesse Clemons.
Speaker 2: I think he does a good job in all of
Speaker 2: his movies. That was another reason that I wanted to
Speaker 2: see it. But the main reason that I wanted to
Speaker 2: see it because I was guessing from the previews. I
Speaker 2: thought she's definitely going to be an alien because it
Speaker 2: don't look like they trying to sell us on this
Speaker 2: being ridiculous. So I did. I pulled a rod and
Speaker 2: I was thinking going into it, she's gonna end up
Speaker 2: being an alien. I will sway during the film that
Speaker 2: she was not. They played it very well, I thought.
Speaker 2: But then of course we'll talk about the ending. But
Speaker 2: all in all, I'm not mad that I've seen it,
Speaker 2: but I could have watched it on streaming.
Speaker 1: Could you have watched it on streaming?
Speaker 2: Make Yeah, I could have watched it on streaming, but
Speaker 2: I still had I loved this movie.
Speaker 3: I had a fun time with it. It was definitely
Speaker 3: a fun movie. It kept it kept me engaged the
Speaker 3: whole time. It was slow, like you were saying earlier,
Speaker 3: it was slow, but I was fine with it being slow.
Speaker 3: But I was not fine with the dude who seats
Speaker 3: down from me falling to sleep and snoring, but he
Speaker 3: paid for his seat, his business. But nah, man, this
Speaker 3: was this was this was really good. I'm really interested
Speaker 3: to see what y'all's take is with the with the ending.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had no interest in seeing the movie. I
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about it, but like you guys, I
Speaker 1: definitely walked away. I was like, damn, I actually glad
Speaker 1: to watched that. I really enjoyed it. I was concerned
Speaker 1: because I think the whole kidnapping kind of happened early,
Speaker 1: and I was like, how they're gonna stretch this out
Speaker 1: for a whole movie, But they found no way to
Speaker 1: do it and and kept it very engaging. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so I arrived a little bit late. So when I
Speaker 1: walked in, uh uh, Emma Stone's character, Michelle Fuller was
Speaker 1: walking into the building, and then we got.
Speaker 2: To, oh, you didn't miss a whole five minutes.
Speaker 1: Well, so it just kind of started.
Speaker 3: You missed the because it starts off with the with
Speaker 3: the Bees with Teddy and Don and the Bees, but
Speaker 3: only for like a minute or two, and then it
Speaker 3: cuss to.
Speaker 1: Her, right, all right, cool, cool cool cool cool? Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so so I didn't as much great, so yeah, so, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: we see Michelle Faller walking in the ceo of Otsolip,
Speaker 1: you meet Teddy then Afterwheard and his newer divergent cousin Don,
Speaker 1: Teddy believes that that she is part of an alien
Speaker 1: race called the Dramatist and he wants to kidnap her.
Speaker 1: This whole thing behind the movie, and you know, they
Speaker 1: kind of really just dropped us into it, and they
Speaker 1: just kind of talking about this whole thing with very
Speaker 1: little background about why. They kind of filled in those
Speaker 1: gaps as we moved along. But but yeah, so what
Speaker 1: did you guys kind of think about our introduction to
Speaker 1: Teddy don Emma as well, because she's meeting with her
Speaker 1: staff and she's walking around to my Oh, yeah, you
Speaker 1: can leave early unless you got a lot of work
Speaker 1: to do. So it's a lot of like references to
Speaker 1: things that are happening now with her being find a
Speaker 1: like fate liberal. Is that kind of what we imply that?
Speaker 2: I wasn't getting that.
Speaker 3: What do I just got that she is one of
Speaker 3: those corporate bosses that tries to ack like she cares
Speaker 3: about her people, but she don't. But she doesn't give
Speaker 3: a fuck. She's like, oh, you can leave. I want
Speaker 3: y'all to know that you have the option to leave
Speaker 3: early unless it's a bunch of words. Yeah, then I
Speaker 3: need you to get the work done. But if you
Speaker 3: don't have much work, you can leave early, but you
Speaker 3: don't have to. That's that sounds like some corporate speak bullshit.
Speaker 1: Right, Because she was doing a whole diversity recording too
Speaker 1: as well, So that's why I was like, it felt
Speaker 1: like some very fake corporate bullshit that they were doing
Speaker 1: to make the company look good, but they really don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck. Right.
Speaker 2: That got the same thing overcompensating CEO, like acting like
Speaker 2: she's there for people. To your point, I did like
Speaker 2: that they dropped us into it without much context, because
Speaker 2: it swayed throughout the movie where you're thinking Jessea Clemens,
Speaker 2: like he's just a crazy person, dude, Like just dropping
Speaker 2: us into it and him giving the context kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: and you like, if you've met people like this and
Speaker 2: you've seen on you like, oh this, this is some
Speaker 2: weird crazy person has these theories and ideas that are
Speaker 2: nowhere near the truth. So I did like that not
Speaker 2: having much backstory and it being revealed throughout the movie.
Speaker 2: I thought that was very well done.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so they they moved forward their playing. They
Speaker 1: kidnapped they man, they know no, they did a chemical
Speaker 1: castration on themselves, on themselves, which is very extreme. Don
Speaker 1: definitely didn't want to do it. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: You think so, Hell, we don't know.
Speaker 2: I can pretty much assume. And I think it had
Speaker 2: something to do with when we found out later to.
Speaker 1: About the sheriff sharecase interviews and yeah, uh, because we've
Speaker 1: already passed apart.
Speaker 4: Did y'all not notice the Atlanta spots?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay about spots? Ye shot down here?
Speaker 1: Was it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: When they were walking they were off Morelands and I
Speaker 4: bugged out in the theater when they went to Goodwill.
Speaker 3: We'll get to that part later, but that's my good will.
Speaker 3: That's a good will I'm always at. That's over in
Speaker 3: West End. I was tripping out the whole You didn't
Speaker 3: know this fucking Freedom Parkway at the end.
Speaker 2: When they were walking in some places, you could tell
Speaker 2: like that that was cocky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking about good Will when they went to
Speaker 1: get all the equipment they needed to kidnap.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And there's a part where they're walking and they're right
Speaker 4: in front of there's that Kroger in that city.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 4: What's that shitty ass clothing store city of City trends. Yeah,
Speaker 4: over by the shoe store on Moorlands.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, there was a lot of Atlanta spots in this movie.
Speaker 1: Damn. Yeah. Yeah, I totally missed that because they're.
Speaker 4: In Georgia in the movie.
Speaker 3: Oh but they're supposed to be in like rural Georgia,
Speaker 3: but I mean they're not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, I totally missed that. But their their
Speaker 1: kidnapping playing was terrible. It was bro was they She
Speaker 1: whooped there and Don got.
Speaker 4: Doc got Molly walking just stayed on the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wanted no parts. But I told y'all, man,
Speaker 1: them shoes come off, bro.
Speaker 3: That ship at me dying, but she kicked her shoes off.
Speaker 3: I was about to fuck y'all up. And about the
Speaker 3: they built up to it. They showed her a little
Speaker 3: montage when she work out and do his whole thing.
Speaker 2: But that was interesting that they were like they were
Speaker 2: they were showing her working out. Then they were showing
Speaker 2: themselves working out and.
Speaker 4: It was doing and they were doing bullshit. That was like,
Speaker 4: that's not y'all not ready at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but eventually got it, I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: of course he hit it with the you know, hit
Speaker 1: it with a needle and she passed out. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they they were not good at the job. But and
Speaker 1: Don's feeling terrible about the idea. He's not convinced at
Speaker 1: all with this whole thing. He's just kind of going
Speaker 1: along with it, dog man.
Speaker 2: I know, because he got this fucking idiot who's like
Speaker 2: he got to follow and like he just doesn't have
Speaker 2: the mental capacity to say no, well do other things
Speaker 2: like you think. He thinks this is life.
Speaker 1: He told he's a hero.
Speaker 5: He said he was mentally I'm saying, yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: the neual divergent what did he saying, I guess I
Speaker 5: mean was it was was Teddy really an idiot?
Speaker 2: That good point. We'll get to it at yeah, good point.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think, because well no, he he,
Speaker 1: he came across as one early. A lot of the
Speaker 1: things he was saying is logic sounded like some country
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists that is traumatized because of to his mom
Speaker 1: and this is his way of coping with that. But
Speaker 1: then there's language and things he was saying. They was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, that actually sounded smart, you know.
Speaker 4: Like you read a book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. But nevertheless, so they kidnapped her,
Speaker 1: and they shave her head and they smear with anahissamine
Speaker 1: cream and demand that she contact the mothership. Now a
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff sounded crazy, like hair being the
Speaker 1: way that she communicates to her people like that shit
Speaker 1: sounds stupid as hell. So all this shit sounded like
Speaker 1: they're just making shit up. And then there's they had
Speaker 1: three to four days before the lunar eclips, and then
Speaker 1: you get the title cards, of course, and then we
Speaker 1: get a flashback of Teddy's mother who was left coming
Speaker 1: to us by the drug and Michelle covered it up,
Speaker 1: but she's funding the treatment and police began searching for Michelle,
Speaker 1: and then we also meet Sheriff Casey as well. So
Speaker 1: the just overall tone, what did you guys thinking about
Speaker 1: the opening tone? Tragic, ridiculous, funny.
Speaker 2: I think they did a really good job of making
Speaker 2: it just funny enough, because without the humor, it would
Speaker 2: have been even slower than it was. But as the audience,
Speaker 2: as we look at it, we're like, is this supposed
Speaker 2: to be funny or am I just like because I
Speaker 2: was the only person in my theater that was laughing
Speaker 2: and stuff like it was quiet in there and then
Speaker 2: it was people in there, But I just like, I
Speaker 2: loved the dark humor and like the whole you're an
Speaker 2: alien even with the electric when they electrocuted her, I
Speaker 2: thought that was great. And he just looked like this
Speaker 2: mad scientist who was just fucking crazy, but it came
Speaker 2: off funny, like just the conversation that she would have
Speaker 2: and how she was respond to him like, man, you're
Speaker 2: the most ridiculous person on earth. Like, So I think
Speaker 2: that both of them, Jesse Pleming's and what's her name,
Speaker 2: Emma Strong, I think both of them were doing a
Speaker 2: fantastics even Dawn like to act that way, Like I
Speaker 2: think he is that way. Oh here's Frue because that
Speaker 2: was one of the nights. No, he's not that way.
Speaker 2: I was sitting that thing and I was like, well
Speaker 2: he acting this ass?
Speaker 1: Wait, No, you're joking.
Speaker 4: No, I'm pretty sure he's Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I'm positive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because when I was reading up on him, it
Speaker 3: said that he is this was a very inclusive cast,
Speaker 3: and then when they showed him taking a picture, he
Speaker 3: kind of looked like.
Speaker 2: I would he hate fool even still good job.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, he is killing.
Speaker 1: This because I thought he was the hands going so bro,
Speaker 1: I'm spike. I thought he was acting.
Speaker 2: I was he was still doing the hands in the
Speaker 2: picture I saw. That's why I was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: think he actually acting this ass. But yeah, like I
Speaker 2: think they did a really good job of captioning everything
Speaker 2: and keeping you as an audience. Man was just confused,
Speaker 2: like bro, what is going on? And then slowly released
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 3: It said that he's on the autism spectrum, but he
Speaker 3: might but he probably was acting.
Speaker 4: He's you know, I don't think he's.
Speaker 2: All as that character, right, I don't know a nice
Speaker 2: way to put it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, he he was great. He was great.
Speaker 4: I believed everything the whole time. They all killed it.
Speaker 1: What, Mike, were you surprised that she didn't seem all
Speaker 1: that concern and when she woke.
Speaker 4: Up, No, I wasn't.
Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't surprised because like Spike, I also thought, oh,
Speaker 3: she's an alien, because I was like the way his
Speaker 3: movies are, I'm like, oh, yeah, you're you're trying to
Speaker 3: make us not think she's an alien, which means she's
Speaker 3: gonna be an alien. But I think that they were
Speaker 3: making a commentary on just the elite, rich elites, you know,
Speaker 3: how they deal with the public. So when she woke
Speaker 3: up and she was just like, oh, I'm still in charge.
Speaker 3: All I gotta do is talk to you a certain
Speaker 3: kind of way and I'm gonna get out of this.
Speaker 3: I was like, Yep, that's that's how Elon would act
Speaker 3: if somebody fucking kidnapped his bitch ass.
Speaker 4: He would act like he's still in charge.
Speaker 2: I'm smarter than eventually say something to get out of.
Speaker 1: This, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Initially, yeah, I didn't go
Speaker 1: in like trying to figure out what what with her
Speaker 1: I think it was halfway through the movie. It was
Speaker 1: because I think they did a job of trying to
Speaker 1: keep you off, you know, if you didn't go in
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, she's she's an alien. And it
Speaker 1: was one point when Don was like, man, I don't
Speaker 1: think she's an alien. I think she's a human. I
Speaker 1: think it was the torture scene when she was being
Speaker 1: election here. I think he was really concernative, like, bro,
Speaker 1: I think she's actually a human. I think that was
Speaker 1: good enough to kind of throw people off track, because yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was pretty brutal, brutal, but yeah, the
Speaker 1: whole you know, basically talking to them like she was
Speaker 1: the boss, you know, and and Teddy was not going
Speaker 1: for it at all, Like she would say certain things
Speaker 1: and he would be able to respond back with something.
Speaker 1: Is when you get a chance to really see its intelligence,
Speaker 1: you know, shine through. And you know, at one point
Speaker 1: she kind of realized that she was up against a
Speaker 1: forminal opponent and she can't talk him out of letting
Speaker 1: her go because she was saying all kind of ship
Speaker 1: that they'll say, oh, i'll give you money or this,
Speaker 1: that and the other, and he was like, nah, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not biting it. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she ran through the gamus. She tried with being
Speaker 3: dominant and forest boy, it didn't work. Then she tried
Speaker 3: to appeal to their you know, whatever sensibility she could
Speaker 3: possibly figure out. That didn't work. I think they might
Speaker 3: have mentioned that they were castrated. Yeah, something around.
Speaker 2: Because like, I'm sure she was going to try the
Speaker 2: whole you know, I think you're cute kind of thing
Speaker 2: and she did. You know, that wasn't gonna work. So
Speaker 2: so no, man, he was, he was, he was on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, nah, it's not gonna yeah, because
Speaker 1: he's like he told hers that's not gonna work. A
Speaker 1: chemical chemically castrated. She was like what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Was like damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what did you guys think about the sheriff Casey?
Speaker 2: I thought something was up with him the second he
Speaker 2: shut up on screen. Yeah, he was weird. He was
Speaker 2: saber weird energy as soon as he knocked on the
Speaker 2: door and was like, I want to imposed.
Speaker 1: But this is the first thing when he was riding
Speaker 1: on the bike and he pulled them over. Oh okay, okay,
Speaker 1: yeah it was it was. It was really weird and awkward,
Speaker 1: almost like he made well we revealed later, we found out,
Speaker 1: but if you saw it, like it seemed like either
Speaker 1: they were in a relationship or something happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how it gave.
Speaker 3: It gave the impression that something physical had happened between
Speaker 3: the two of them. And at first I was like,
Speaker 3: am I just reading into this? This is like some
Speaker 3: weird internalized homophobia or something that I was But after
Speaker 3: a while I was like, no, I don't think i'm
Speaker 3: reading into this. I think something happened, But I never
Speaker 3: thought that they were in a relationship. I assumed that
Speaker 3: the sheriff raped him because of how he was acting.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was very awkward because you could tell
Speaker 3: that Teddy just wanted to fucking leave.
Speaker 4: Teddy wanted to get away from this dude the whole time,
Speaker 4: and he just kept its worried about you just wanted
Speaker 4: to come to see how you're doing. It was just weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he was kind of walking up on him.
Speaker 1: He was kind of backing up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, it was really really odd. But so anyway,
Speaker 1: so yeah, so that's kind of like the beginning where
Speaker 1: they were kind of setting everything up. But this is
Speaker 1: where I was concerned because I'm like, man, we have
Speaker 1: a lot of movie left, so how are they going
Speaker 1: to manage the rest of this? Because now the police
Speaker 1: are searching for and then things start to escalate because
Speaker 1: we get flashbacks of why we're here, further sending us
Speaker 1: to the audience that he may be actually crazy and
Speaker 1: unable to cope with what happened to his mom, you know,
Speaker 1: and that she's not an alien, and that he's doing
Speaker 1: this because he wants to get revenge. And then we
Speaker 1: get you know, torture scenes and the you know, electro
Speaker 1: shock and all this other stuff. What do you guys
Speaker 1: think about the backstory with with Teddy's mom?
Speaker 2: That bothered me because in what universe is Alicia Silverstone
Speaker 2: Jesse Plemman's mom?
Speaker 3: It made you no fucking sense. And I was watching
Speaker 3: it and I was like, that's not his mom, must
Speaker 3: be his sister. But then when he kept saying that's
Speaker 3: my mom, I was like, wait what And I had
Speaker 3: to look at the make sure I'm not tripping. But
Speaker 3: they're only like ten years apart. She didn't even look
Speaker 3: anywhere near old enough to be his mother. So now
Speaker 3: I'm wondering, is this part of the movie. Is this
Speaker 3: some kind of symbolism. I don't know, maybe like a
Speaker 3: rural Georgia, Like is that what they were going for?
Speaker 2: She was all the type stuff she had him when
Speaker 2: she was twelve. Then yeah, I think that's what they
Speaker 2: took it anyway, because did he ever mention their dad?
Speaker 2: The dad left, right? But they Okay, I was.
Speaker 1: I didn't even look at the age thing.
Speaker 4: It just didn't look like that was shed because.
Speaker 1: I think because he well, yeah, I guess you're right,
Speaker 1: I just automatically turned him into a child and that
Speaker 1: he was just remembering having these visions and he was
Speaker 1: just as an adult remembering things. He was just surrounded
Speaker 1: by like these these images of.
Speaker 2: But he saw her when he went to the hospital
Speaker 2: later and there was Alicia Silverstone.
Speaker 3: So I was like, wait, no, wait, what this doesn't
Speaker 3: make any sense. It wasn't a huge deal, but his
Speaker 3: reasoning because of his mother, that made sense, and it
Speaker 3: added to the sway of she's not an alien, he's
Speaker 3: just mad, he's he's crazy. Like it gave to that
Speaker 3: primise like Okay, I'm seeing now that with how they're
Speaker 3: trying to do.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you think about the US Healthcare guy, uh,
Speaker 1: the CEO that was killed, you know, and and that
Speaker 1: was a violent at that led to the depth of
Speaker 1: him because of you know, I think it was personal
Speaker 1: situation after him, and in this movie you have some
Speaker 1: of that kind of parallels that a very personal traumatic
Speaker 1: experience to him. His mom is in a coma because
Speaker 1: of this experimental drug where rule Georgia. You know, so
Speaker 1: there this corporations taking advantage of people, uh in this
Speaker 1: community because they probably weren't able to afford it. So
Speaker 1: they're being basically predators and using them for experiments. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. So and this led to his mom, you know,
Speaker 1: being in the hospital comatos. But yeah, so you have
Speaker 1: the electric shock scene. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Was this before or
Speaker 1: did this come before or after? He punched her?
Speaker 2: That was way after that. He slapped her. That was
Speaker 2: early in That was early.
Speaker 1: God what did he slapper her for?
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 4: She said something smart asty back.
Speaker 1: Because he went to the car and he was having
Speaker 1: a fit. God, I really needed to watch this twice
Speaker 1: because that was a lot of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember what it said, but he popped
Speaker 3: her and then she was just shocked.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, very very very violent. God, what did she say?
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but yeah, but either way, I think
Speaker 1: the nets the nets biggest traumatic scene was the shocking
Speaker 1: because I'm not gonna lie at this point, I wasn't
Speaker 1: like you. I was like, I thought she was a human. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, man, like, he is going
Speaker 1: very strang. He kept turning the voltage up all the
Speaker 1: way to four hundred.
Speaker 2: He was shocked. He couldn't believe that she was able
Speaker 2: to take it. I love she's a queen. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: your highness and all of this. That was good man.
Speaker 2: It made it. It just played into their character. Jesse
Speaker 2: Plemmon is amazing job. It just played into the characters
Speaker 2: like man Bro. And again that's why I liked that
Speaker 2: they didn't give us a lot of context, and they
Speaker 2: gave it throughout the movie versus at the beginning, because
Speaker 2: you're having to figure out as someone watching this movie
Speaker 2: like it's he's electrocute and you're like, bro, this dude
Speaker 2: is fucking insane. Yeah, and Dom also and too, like, bro,
Speaker 2: you need to slow down, Like we don't know these
Speaker 2: that and then we learned it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was very concerned, like Tom was.
Speaker 4: Was Dom was the audience, Yeah, is this true? What's
Speaker 4: going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, they did that really well. And the fact that
Speaker 4: you know they gave that to whatever.
Speaker 2: Mind I won't even go there mind mm hmm. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I was saying that I was thinking the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because it works, we as the audience feel like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I knew exactly what you're thinking.
Speaker 3: I just don't feel like dealing with no dumbasses on online.
Speaker 2: But yeah, m.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when he when he was like oh, because
Speaker 1: it seemed like he just doubled down like he did
Speaker 1: not want to be wrong. So when she was able
Speaker 1: to takete the torture and he was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is actually the queen, which probably kind of relates
Speaker 1: to the bees. I this is what I kidnapped. And
Speaker 1: as if you remember or don we're like, bro, like,
Speaker 1: you're torturing this this person, and you're subjecting her to
Speaker 1: extreme cruel treatment and you don't believe the fact that
Speaker 1: I say she's human. You're saying you're more convinced that
Speaker 1: she's an alien, and we're like, bro, like, nah, I
Speaker 1: think you got this wrong, buddy, I think you're wrong
Speaker 1: about this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you did let her go, so y'all didn't start
Speaker 4: to wonder how she could take all that voltage because
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, she's definitely an alien, Like, how
Speaker 4: else was she able to take that?
Speaker 1: This was when he said that if it sounded like
Speaker 1: you were like the director or the writer was trying
Speaker 1: to miss directors at this point, this is when I
Speaker 1: started to think. I was like, oh, not because she
Speaker 1: was able to endure the treatment, but it was just
Speaker 1: like it was the way you say. It was like, oh,
Speaker 1: now you're trying to convince us that she really is human.
Speaker 1: So that's when I started to wonder if she's actually alien.
Speaker 1: But I didn't even think about her enduring that.
Speaker 2: I wasn't familiar enough. But I honestly put it on him,
Speaker 2: thinking that he thought that machine was stronger than and
Speaker 2: I thought that he was just like in his own cool,
Speaker 2: cool brain, thinking like, oh, she shouldn't be able to
Speaker 2: take this one. Really, it wasn't even rigging right because
Speaker 2: the lights went out and you had the flickering and
Speaker 2: stuff and the things of that man.
Speaker 1: But it was four hundred to five hundred votes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know that was a lot for her to take.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I didn't even I didn't even question it.
Speaker 1: But after that when he realized that he actually has
Speaker 1: a queen have dinner. This dinner scene was was good.
Speaker 1: I loved the conversation that they had when they were
Speaker 1: talking about bees and this when you start to really
Speaker 1: see that this guy actually has some intelligence to him.
Speaker 2: Can I go to the bathroom?
Speaker 1: So I thought that that was interesting that he wouldn't
Speaker 1: let it. But but see, the thing I thought was
Speaker 1: interesting about that Spike He wouldn't let him go, and
Speaker 1: he wouldn't because he was actually doing the things. He
Speaker 1: was in a position of power over Don and he
Speaker 1: was controlling what Don was able when he was able
Speaker 1: to actually go and everything. So he was and he
Speaker 1: wouldn't let this guy go. There was no harm in
Speaker 1: him going at all. But this guy needed to go
Speaker 1: to the restroom, but he wouldn't let him go, and
Speaker 1: he had to had to sit there and do it,
Speaker 1: this this whole thing. So he was actually sort of
Speaker 1: doing the things that he was accusing other people of doing.
Speaker 3: What was the co tru with the conversation with at
Speaker 3: the table, because I remember thinking, like, he just doesn't
Speaker 3: want Don to miss anything that's being said, But I
Speaker 3: can't remember exactly what it was that they were talking.
Speaker 4: Was it when she was saying that she could save
Speaker 4: his mom.
Speaker 1: She did say that, Yeah, because she kept talking about
Speaker 1: the mom. She's like, it's all about the mom, and
Speaker 1: almost like she was blaming him for what happened with
Speaker 1: the mom.
Speaker 2: But whatever it was, he didn't like to come. No,
Speaker 2: I don't think that it was the conversation. Don was
Speaker 2: blaming her and the pesticides for bees almost becomeing, not done,
Speaker 2: but just yeah, he's almost becoming extinct, right, And he
Speaker 2: was telling her it was her fault and she was saying, oh,
Speaker 2: their new studies and trying to say that the new
Speaker 2: studies is and he was like, I knew you'd say that,
Speaker 2: And he was really trying to defend the fact. And
Speaker 2: I think that's why he wanted to dominstate to your point.
Speaker 2: He was really trying to defend the fact that, know,
Speaker 2: what I'm saying about these bees is right, and you're
Speaker 2: giving me this legal corporate jargon that you guys have
Speaker 2: created to avoid lawsuits. Yeah, so yeah, it was really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he said something about uh C c D
Speaker 1: or something like that that he called it that I
Speaker 1: think it's a b thing and she was talking about
Speaker 1: They were talking about like how b colonies are real
Speaker 1: interesting because they're just workers and laborers and their sole
Speaker 1: job is to serve the queen in this community. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but it ship turned crazy when he kept talking about
Speaker 1: the mom and when that muffler ran.
Speaker 2: Across that table off crazy.
Speaker 1: Man, he's so that she ran that motherfuler like a
Speaker 1: damn dog. Brot, Yeah and yeah, and then they started
Speaker 1: fighting and he was choking. He was damnar about the killer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and Don saved her.
Speaker 2: Don saved it, and she started kicking. I like the
Speaker 2: line she said, she said, I'm better than you, because
Speaker 2: when she said that was a great fucking line. She said,
Speaker 2: I win, I'm the winner. You're fucking you're the loser
Speaker 2: or something like it, because I'm better than you. Elites
Speaker 2: would think even if they're in that position, they're still
Speaker 2: gonna think they're better than you.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a good line.
Speaker 4: I can't remember what it was either, but I do
Speaker 4: you remember thinking the same thing.
Speaker 2: Like, damn, she said, you don't get to win.
Speaker 1: I win.
Speaker 2: I'm a winner and you're a loser. That's just how
Speaker 2: we go.
Speaker 1: Bro. You you're like you're a prisoner, you've been electrocuted,
Speaker 1: don't matter. That's that takes some balls to say that
Speaker 1: to somebody that has you did. Yeah, but anyway, Teddy
Speaker 1: show uh yeah, Sheriff Casey shows back up and uh
Speaker 1: yeah because Michelle stabbed Yeah she stabbed Teddy too. Then
Speaker 1: she yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I did dom hit her in the head with the shot, yeah.
Speaker 1: Which I thought he was gonna hit uh Teddy first,
Speaker 1: but knocked her eyes out. But yeah, Casey shows up
Speaker 1: and this is when we get to reveal that, you know,
Speaker 1: he blessed him as a kid, and he was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's my weakness right there. Cake like the cake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was a.
Speaker 2: Weird cringe scene. They did a great job in making
Speaker 2: you feel like, bro, yeah, very uncomfortable. But I also
Speaker 2: thought that I feel like he knew, so the sheriff
Speaker 2: like he was kind of investigating to the sense of like,
Speaker 2: you might have got something to do with this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the cell phone had had in the area,
Speaker 3: so he was like I couldn't tell if he was
Speaker 3: actually investigating it or if he was using that as
Speaker 3: an excuse to go back over there.
Speaker 1: I think he was investigated but I think he took
Speaker 1: it as a moment to also kind of further like
Speaker 1: apologize for what he did. But I'm with you. It
Speaker 1: seemed like he knew something, but he didn't want to
Speaker 1: believe that Teddy was in fault.
Speaker 2: That's how it came up.
Speaker 1: But we never got a clear answer because he sat
Speaker 1: there and started doing cake and then he kept asking.
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, yeah, you know what, You're probably right,
Speaker 1: I'm just being ridiculous. And then they shifted something personal
Speaker 1: and then they'll come back. It was like, well, you
Speaker 1: sure you haven't seen such and such. He was like,
Speaker 1: I just worked there. Interestingly enough, he works in a.
Speaker 2: Factory, you know, owned by her company.
Speaker 1: Think about Amazon, you know as one Yeah, so yeah
Speaker 1: there's another one. So a lot of parallels there. But
Speaker 1: while this whole conversation is taking place, though, you have
Speaker 1: Don downstairs talking to Michelle and she's trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: manipulate him into letting her go yep, and she's like,
Speaker 1: thank you for not killing me. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: This was a lot and coming the second he said,
Speaker 2: tell my brother, I love him, Ready to go or whatever,
Speaker 2: he's about to kill himself.
Speaker 1: Somebody said that outloud, somebody say, about to.
Speaker 2: Shoot himself, shut the fuck up, right, God damn.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I did not see that coming then old boy
Speaker 1: said it. Until he said I was like, did it happened?
Speaker 2: When you start asking about the spaceship and shit like that,
Speaker 2: and then he was like almost open to the idea.
Speaker 2: I was like, he finishing itself?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, so why would he do that though?
Speaker 1: Because he has no proof that he can be brought
Speaker 1: back to life. Why would he kill himself.
Speaker 2: I think he was just tired. He was just tired
Speaker 2: that like being under his thumb. He didn't want to
Speaker 2: be in this situation. I'm just using this as an excuse.
Speaker 2: I don't even care if I can come back. I'm
Speaker 2: just using this as an excuse to get away, Like
Speaker 2: I don't want to be here.
Speaker 1: But he said he asked me, was like, you can
Speaker 1: help me, you can help us. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you think he was talking about like mentally him
Speaker 1: helping him or I don't.
Speaker 2: Really have answers for this part.
Speaker 3: I thought, I mean it was it was powerful just
Speaker 3: because you know it was it was supposed to be
Speaker 3: unexpected and for the most part it was. And it
Speaker 3: was right after him saying tell my brother I love him,
Speaker 3: or tell my cousin I love him. I don't know
Speaker 3: if I don't have anything. As far as exactly why
Speaker 3: he did it, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But it was.
Speaker 4: Very shocking and graphic because they show that.
Speaker 1: She said ship yeah, no empathy, no, no, she did
Speaker 1: not care.
Speaker 2: She just mad in the blood.
Speaker 3: She was mad that she thought she was gonna be
Speaker 3: able to talk him into letting her go, and that
Speaker 3: it didn't.
Speaker 4: It didn't go off that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this too was the This was where I
Speaker 2: suspected her to be an alien, So I leading towards
Speaker 2: that because she didn't she knew someone was upstairs. All
Speaker 2: she had to do was yale.
Speaker 1: And she didn't.
Speaker 2: And she never did it, never even considered in her
Speaker 2: mind to yield and the police will hear me and
Speaker 2: he'll come down here and say.
Speaker 3: Unless she thought he would shoot her if she yelled
Speaker 3: because he had the gun off, But yeah, I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was thinking the same thing. But I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe she's worried that that Donald shooter. But it was
Speaker 3: also you know, if we're going off like metaphors when
Speaker 3: she's saying, she's basically telling him I'll take you with me,
Speaker 3: which is what a lot of elites kind of give
Speaker 3: this impression of you know, you can have what I have,
Speaker 3: you can get to where I get. People like fucking Elon,
Speaker 3: people like jay Z, you know, trick people into being like,
Speaker 3: oh you can you could be a millionaire just like me,
Speaker 3: or you can be a billionaire just like me, and
Speaker 3: then we just work ourselves to death and it never happens.
Speaker 3: So if we're looking at it metaphorically, that's the only
Speaker 3: thing I could pull from this that he was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm ready, and he kills himself because I mean that's
Speaker 3: essentially what we do trying to get to where these
Speaker 3: people are. We fucking work ourselves to death and it
Speaker 3: still never happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been through a lot emotionally too. You know,
Speaker 1: he never wanted to go through with this at all.
Speaker 1: From the beginning. She punched the shit out of him
Speaker 1: in the beginning. You know, he's watching this woman. He
Speaker 1: thinks it's a human tortured. He saw Teddy punch her,
Speaker 1: he saw Teddy electrocut, he saw Teddy violently attacker during
Speaker 1: the dinner scene choking her to death. So that's a
Speaker 1: lot for him to kind of process and take, given
Speaker 1: where he's at with being neurodivergent. So if this is
Speaker 1: a way out, if and he's still I don't even
Speaker 1: know if he even believes it still at this moment
Speaker 1: that she's an alien. So yeah, I think he's probably
Speaker 1: just like, you know what, I maybe you're right, it's
Speaker 1: like I'm done, like you know, and if this can
Speaker 1: get if this is true, then so be it. But
Speaker 1: I'm just over all of this, you know. And then
Speaker 1: he came in Castro. He was like, I can't even
Speaker 1: know right, really got a live right now?
Speaker 4: They should at least when got a hooker first, at least,
Speaker 4: God damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So but the other thing that happened because now
Speaker 1: things are starting to ramp up a little bit. So
Speaker 1: we had that, and then we had.
Speaker 4: That's not funny, man.
Speaker 1: We had uh, we had Teddy killing the sheriff. Was
Speaker 1: this revenge or did did Teddy think that the sheriff
Speaker 1: was on to him?
Speaker 2: All the above? I thought it was revenge? Yeah, because
Speaker 2: how was he on to him? What happened? The gunshot?
Speaker 1: He was like, no, no, no, because remember they were
Speaker 1: having a conversation. He sat down on the couch and
Speaker 1: he apologized for and then he just ran and said
Speaker 1: he you want to go see my bees?
Speaker 3: He was trying to get him out of the house. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't think he was going to kill him in
Speaker 3: that board. I think he was trying to get him
Speaker 3: out of the house.
Speaker 1: Oh. I thought when he asked him to go see
Speaker 1: the bees, I thought he was going to kill him.
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think that he knew that
Speaker 4: the sheriff still kind of.
Speaker 3: Maybe had a thing for him or something, so he
Speaker 3: knew he could be like, well, I'm taking care of
Speaker 3: these bees, do you want to come see the bees.
Speaker 3: He was just trying to get him out of the
Speaker 3: house so he wouldn't know that old girls downstairs. I
Speaker 3: think he only killed him because the gunshot happened, and
Speaker 3: then he just took that.
Speaker 2: Moment because I mean it was a brutal killing.
Speaker 4: He didn't have to do. He didn't have to do
Speaker 4: all that. He could have popped in one good time
Speaker 4: and been straight.
Speaker 3: He beat up, but he fucking and the yeah, the
Speaker 3: beads went and stung them all up, and yes.
Speaker 1: Horrible man, and they just Oh that's a lot.
Speaker 2: R P. Thomas J.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: My mom got so mad beating.
Speaker 1: I laughed.
Speaker 3: I laughed my ass off when he was running around.
Speaker 3: It's like, why are you bringing those stupid ass over there?
Speaker 3: Dumb little fucker, that's what you get.
Speaker 1: You've been stumn by all of those bees and then
Speaker 1: you get your head banged in. That is brutal. So
Speaker 1: maybe him bashing his head in was chess because he
Speaker 1: was gonna die. There's no way you're gonna survive all
Speaker 1: those best things.
Speaker 2: Maybe why wouldn't you do people thought from getting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, yeah, his old face was
Speaker 1: gonna swell up. He was probably getting stung with his
Speaker 1: neck and stuff like that. He won't be able to breathe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, there was probably too much for him spar
Speaker 1: but he ain't take any chances, so you know, so
Speaker 1: I think that was also payback for you know what
Speaker 1: happened uh to him as well. And then he went
Speaker 1: down so his his cousin dad and then he hit
Speaker 1: ass in the knee. Oh that was that.
Speaker 2: Pop it back. They wouldn't stay. I was like, God, damn, y'all,
Speaker 2: come on.
Speaker 1: That was Yeah. When she just popped the knee back
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, that's weird. But then his
Speaker 1: dumb ass, I don't know, would you guys believe the
Speaker 1: Anna free shit. She convinced him that she had the
Speaker 1: cure to kill his mom and that it was in
Speaker 1: a bottle of Ana freeze.
Speaker 2: You have to hide it there, I busted out.
Speaker 4: Left you you're asking if we would believe it. Do
Speaker 4: you remember a very rich person telling people to take
Speaker 4: horse tranquilizers to get rid of covid?
Speaker 1: Okay, point, I.
Speaker 4: Want to drink a little bit of clox, right, or
Speaker 4: to drink a little bit of clox.
Speaker 1: Very desperate mom?
Speaker 2: And he like probably yeah, yeah, I could see him
Speaker 2: believing it. But it was funny. Yeah, she came off
Speaker 2: with it like she real that ship. She was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, and it's sitting this bottle and a freeze.
Speaker 4: I had to do it so nobody would.
Speaker 2: Know, you know. I was like, bro, come on, you
Speaker 2: know you're not really gonna do this, are you?
Speaker 1: And it was bloom.
Speaker 2: But I mean, what color would a cure be? An
Speaker 2: alien cure?
Speaker 1: He should know what color looks like.
Speaker 2: He had a bit. He didn't even have a car.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. I know came to different colors recently,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 4: Either blue or green. Oh, that's true. They do have
Speaker 4: big that is true. I hate the fact that we
Speaker 4: can't taste it.
Speaker 1: Because because.
Speaker 3: You know, because science says that that's why you have
Speaker 3: to keep away from kids and animals because it apparently
Speaker 3: it's really sweet and it tastes good.
Speaker 2: That's why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why animals drink it and die.
Speaker 1: Nah, no, you do it. Let me know, just a dap,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 4: I'm really curious to know what Andy Freeze tastes like.
Speaker 1: Did y'all feel bad for I?
Speaker 2: Like, you dumb motherfucker, you stupid all of this stuff.
Speaker 2: But I was desperation, so I get it. He put
Speaker 2: on his ass, he was.
Speaker 4: His little skinny ass was going bro.
Speaker 2: And then I couldn't believe he didn't get caught. I
Speaker 2: think that's what she was banking on. I thought it
Speaker 2: was him going and doing it and getting caught. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she told him that.
Speaker 4: She's like, I didn't really get all the way.
Speaker 1: I was when I thought she did that because she
Speaker 1: was just trying to because she was upset about being
Speaker 1: popped in the knee and electrocuted. Then and slapped the punch,
Speaker 1: you know. So I thought this was like she was
Speaker 1: just trying to also just pay him back. But in
Speaker 1: the middle of all that, though, she as she escapes,
Speaker 1: and it was also mean for her escape. She see
Speaker 1: you know, a little light in the wall, and she
Speaker 1: goes through there and she discovers that she wasn't the first.
Speaker 2: Jesus and that this was being shocking. I likes, he
Speaker 2: is serial killer.
Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: I was even at this point thinking that she was
Speaker 1: an alien in.
Speaker 2: The slightest, I'm just thinking, oh, he's a real crazy person. Yes,
Speaker 2: exactly what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I didn't think that until he got back
Speaker 1: and she was like how many And I.
Speaker 2: Was like, oh, that's when I knew she was ailing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, maybe she's smart. She went in there,
Speaker 2: she processed the information, and she's doing this whole dance
Speaker 2: with him. But then that wouldn't have made sense, like
Speaker 2: she would have just left when.
Speaker 1: She got I don't think she can leave though. I
Speaker 1: think the door, I think the door to the cellar
Speaker 1: was still yeah, I think it was yeah, with a
Speaker 1: lock on it, because I was like, why the hell
Speaker 1: did she just leave? But at least that's when I'm
Speaker 1: telling myself that the shows that.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure when he got back he had to
Speaker 4: unlock the door to come in.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: When she was standing there, she was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: and then.
Speaker 1: It too, yeah too.
Speaker 3: So he killed all those people. I guess we don't
Speaker 3: know how many people he killed, but looked like a lot.
Speaker 2: It looked like it looked like a lot.
Speaker 4: And she said, how many were actually andromedas?
Speaker 3: And he said too, So he's killed a lot of
Speaker 3: people for nothing.
Speaker 2: And then this speaks to when we go talk about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he learned a lot in the process.
Speaker 4: In killing people.
Speaker 2: But look this, I think this speaks to dom suicide too,
Speaker 2: because he probably was their fault of it. Yeah, oh
Speaker 2: he probably, yeah, exactly, And it speaks to the electric yes,
Speaker 2: because a lot of them probably couldn't take those many votes,
Speaker 2: like you. Al was saying, that's that's how he knew
Speaker 2: that she was a queen, because he was like, not
Speaker 2: only are you an alien, you're a queen because only
Speaker 2: a queen could take this because I've done this so
Speaker 2: many times and I'm glad they didn't give context that
Speaker 2: until then, because I've done this so many times and
Speaker 2: most people wouldn't have survived it.
Speaker 1: You did, And for the viewing autist, for me, it's
Speaker 1: just like, nah, you kind of crazy. Yeah, he has
Speaker 1: all this research. Fact, Yeah, to kill a lot of people,
Speaker 1: but isn't that what science does. They experimental laves and
Speaker 1: all of human I mean animals and shit like that.
Speaker 4: And the fact that he's a bee keeper and that
Speaker 4: he understands how worker bees served to only serve the
Speaker 4: queen and the hive.
Speaker 3: He would know how someone would behave as far as
Speaker 3: like serving I don't want to say higher power, but
Speaker 3: you know, so him killing all those other people just
Speaker 3: to get end up getting a queen and the fact
Speaker 3: that he was so fascinated by that this ship was.
Speaker 1: So interesting change. Yeah, when he found out she was
Speaker 1: a queen.
Speaker 3: But even even when he found his don was dead,
Speaker 3: he didn't kill her mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Because I was at first I was like, Oh, he's.
Speaker 2: Gonna shoot her, but he didn't.
Speaker 3: He she killed his mom in his eyes, and he
Speaker 3: came back and his cousin's dead. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: he's definitely gonna fucking kill her, but he doesn't because
Speaker 3: he realizes, Nope, she's a queen and I have a
Speaker 3: higher purpose, which is to help the people on Earth.
Speaker 4: So I'm still gonna.
Speaker 1: Go through with this and with the mom Dad, Dad,
Speaker 1: he really could have killed her.
Speaker 2: He had nothing to live for at that point.
Speaker 1: But she did convince him that she could still bring
Speaker 1: Don back, right.
Speaker 2: But she tried to. I think what he had to
Speaker 2: live for was it knew what they were waiting on.
Speaker 2: He thought he was able to go.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, his whole his whole purpose was to stop
Speaker 3: them or convince them to withdraw from Earth. So his
Speaker 3: whole idea was, I'm here to serve the greater colony Earth.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to not be selfish and shoot you.
Speaker 3: I'm going to still have you take me to the
Speaker 3: mothership and convince y'all to leave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because in the midst of all that this was,
Speaker 1: she reveals that she is uh andromedon and she goes
Speaker 1: to the whole backstory of like the history of Earth
Speaker 1: and the experiments, and when she was talking like this,
Speaker 1: so like, no, it's hard. I thought she was bruh.
Speaker 1: It satellited some bullshit. There was so many things. That's
Speaker 1: why I think this was so well done, because a
Speaker 1: lot of this shit seemed like it was a bunch
Speaker 1: of bullshit, like you just making this ship up hair thing.
Speaker 1: This story sounds like you just making this up, you know,
Speaker 1: and just using Christian and religion to tell these stories.
Speaker 1: But then you think about actual stories from religion and
Speaker 1: how silly they probably sound just in general. You know,
Speaker 1: when you process it, you know that there was an
Speaker 1: arc and the world was flooded and he put two
Speaker 1: animals on it and animals just showed up. Like all
Speaker 1: that shit sounds silly facts, you know, But yeah, she
Speaker 1: tells the whole history of Earth, which I actually thought
Speaker 1: was kind of fascinating because I was like, man, that's
Speaker 1: if they actually really did that, and she was like,
Speaker 1: but it's also a story about God and God's being
Speaker 1: upset with their so called creations. Happened in Prometheus, the
Speaker 1: alien movie, where they were going to destroy their creations
Speaker 1: because humanity and humans don't know how to act and
Speaker 1: their flawed. So and in the midst of all that,
Speaker 1: even with his mom dad, he still didn't kill her
Speaker 1: because she convinced him that I could bring Don back,
Speaker 1: and you know, I showed the body and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and we have to get to my office because the
Speaker 1: cold's there. And man Spike when he tucked that gun
Speaker 1: in his waist and he kind of walked like little
Speaker 1: Pilp walked to him. All that shit is stupid. And
Speaker 1: she's walking in, and you know, she's like, everybody's in
Speaker 1: all everything's fine, she's been gone, just pop back up
Speaker 1: and nope, and nobody even nobody called the cops. Nobody
Speaker 1: try to go in and see what's wrong. She just
Speaker 1: walked to their office.
Speaker 2: When they were gathering around the office though, did you
Speaker 2: see that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I saw that, but I guess they were like, what
Speaker 2: the fu is happening? Yeah, a security dude and like
Speaker 2: letting him in the game. He was like are you okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And then but she says this whole stupid All
Speaker 1: the ship sound stupid. I gotta type the calculated.
Speaker 2: It seems rather primble, but.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the cocaus is a fifty fifty eight
Speaker 1: digit cold.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I thought she was bullshiting.
Speaker 1: Bro It sounds like bullshit and you gotta go in
Speaker 1: a closet.
Speaker 2: I was like, brood at this point, I believe everything
Speaker 2: she was saying. I was like, all right, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: threw me off. I thought she was the police, Like
Speaker 2: she's waiting for the police to show up. Bro, that's
Speaker 2: what I'm thinking.
Speaker 4: I knew she was. I knew she was an alien
Speaker 4: at this point, so I was like, oh, yeah, she's
Speaker 4: she's this is.
Speaker 1: Drum all right.
Speaker 2: Where do you get the bomb from?
Speaker 4: I guess he made it?
Speaker 2: But when did you put that on? Did she not
Speaker 2: see it?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 4: Of us all, he could have had it on the
Speaker 4: whole time because it was under his It was under
Speaker 4: his shirt, so he could have had that bomb on
Speaker 4: the whole time.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, the whole time that he was torturing and
Speaker 2: doing all.
Speaker 3: It could have been a contingency plan in case she
Speaker 3: does get free, just blow everything up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was like, yeah, just let you know, I
Speaker 1: prepare for all.
Speaker 4: Ship, abort aboard.
Speaker 1: Man. All that shit was crazy, like a teleport or
Speaker 1: the closet and and she he went in the closet
Speaker 1: and when he exploded.
Speaker 2: Did the bomb go off? And did she pressed the coat?
Speaker 3: I think she. I think she did something, it's just
Speaker 3: we can't tell. I think she pressed the coat telepording
Speaker 3: and it just blew him up. And I think the
Speaker 3: frequency man made the bomb go off. Yeah, okay, that's
Speaker 3: what I think.
Speaker 1: They weren't very clear, which it's cool, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the teleporter, the activation of the teleporter triggered
Speaker 1: the bomb and the bomb go off. Did she know
Speaker 1: that was gonna happen? I don't know, but all we
Speaker 1: know we saw his head roll on.
Speaker 2: The floor after popping her in the face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, face was crazy, and they took her out,
Speaker 1: and then of course then it was the reveal happened
Speaker 1: and she left her ass all the way back after
Speaker 1: as to the damn closet and teleported back to the
Speaker 1: drama in Mothership, and everything that Teddy was saying was
Speaker 1: a fucking, fat, fucking insane and dramatic express. And this
Speaker 1: is why I liked this movie because it's grim as fuck,
Speaker 1: because they had a conversation. It was very diverse too,
Speaker 1: and it was like, we try to give him a chance.
Speaker 2: And they were like, we experimented, but it don't look
Speaker 2: like they're gonna be any chances about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the experiment and everything that they were running did
Speaker 1: not work and they weren't be able to survive, so
Speaker 1: they decided to just kill everybody. Yeah, yep. So what
Speaker 1: did you guys think about that ending? Like they they
Speaker 1: they look, he lets you sit with that. He showed
Speaker 1: damn there the whole earth dead. Yes, kids too. The
Speaker 1: only thing they didn't show we're baby. Yeah, but we
Speaker 1: know that they're there.
Speaker 2: The poor animals, they had no better.
Speaker 1: They're gonna eat the humans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those animals will be fine, They'll do what they
Speaker 3: did before we were here. Because I think that was
Speaker 3: the whole the whole point of showing that, because like
Speaker 3: they they showed all those people dead, but then they
Speaker 3: showed the animals were alive, and then they showed the
Speaker 3: bees start to come back. So it's implying that humans
Speaker 3: are the problem that we are. We are destroying the earth,
Speaker 3: we're destroying the ecosystem. Without us, the earth and the
Speaker 3: ecosystem will thrive. So I found that to be a
Speaker 3: cool mess because it's true.
Speaker 2: The only reason any animals are extinct now is because
Speaker 2: of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like, you know again, a very Christian thing,
Speaker 1: you know, being reborn from you know, death, which ties
Speaker 1: back to the greet methought.
Speaker 2: And she tried to argue against that at the table though,
Speaker 2: right because remember she was saying he was saying that
Speaker 2: they were causing the bees to be extinct, and she
Speaker 2: was like, sometimes a species just runs its course, yeah.
Speaker 1: Which was a hell of a line. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a hell of a line that she said. So, uh, this,
Speaker 1: now that we've talked about I like it a little
Speaker 1: bit more.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: It was the villain Teddy, Michelle humans, all of the above.
Speaker 2: I don't think Teddy was a villain.
Speaker 1: You don't think was a villain.
Speaker 2: Once the reveal happens at the end, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: he was right. He was like crazy, but he was right.
Speaker 2: He was trying to say the world.
Speaker 1: He killed a lot of people, y'all. He did.
Speaker 2: He did, like you said, science, Yeah, motherfucker's guy died
Speaker 2: for other people to live. Man.
Speaker 3: But I did think it was interesting because when you
Speaker 3: look at it, I was.
Speaker 4: Like, wait, okay, so, so did this happen? Like is
Speaker 4: this all real?
Speaker 3: Or are we supposed to take it that some of
Speaker 3: this might not be real? I know I do this
Speaker 3: every fucking movie ad, but I was wondering if this
Speaker 3: was Teddy slowly descending to a mental break. Right, So
Speaker 3: let's say let's say it didn't happen, and what we
Speaker 3: see at the end is Teddy finally going off that
Speaker 3: cliff and just being.
Speaker 4: Like, all right, I'm gone. My mind is broken. And
Speaker 4: he killed himself, you know. And then when we see
Speaker 4: the earth being popped, that little bubble being popped and
Speaker 4: all the humans dying, that's him thinking like.
Speaker 2: This is how it happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is how it happens because I'm killing myself,
Speaker 3: you know, or I'm dead and you know I'm not
Speaker 3: here to stop it, or she.
Speaker 4: So that wait, let's say so it didn't happen.
Speaker 3: It's just in Teddy's brain, or it did happen, and
Speaker 3: then it's just I guess she's just like a representation
Speaker 3: of operations. I guess like, you know, destroying the earth
Speaker 3: or whatever, and us not being confident enough to know
Speaker 3: that that's what's happening and you know, to try to
Speaker 3: stop it.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm still I'm still debating whether or not this whole
Speaker 4: thing even happened.
Speaker 2: That's a good question.
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that because only because I didn't
Speaker 1: see any moment where he I didn't see any there
Speaker 1: was there was. He was sad that his mom was killed,
Speaker 1: but he just moved on to the next thing. And
Speaker 1: I didn't see kind of his reh of reaction from that.
Speaker 2: But that would be kind of a sign of mental break,
Speaker 2: wouldn't it, Like you don't have any emotion, like you
Speaker 2: you just killed your mother and then you come back
Speaker 2: and you're just focused on I got to get to
Speaker 2: your spaceship so I can get y'all to leave the earth.
Speaker 2: I don't know what was he gonna go up there
Speaker 2: make Did he think he was gonna go up there?
Speaker 3: Case, yes, I think he thought he was gonna go
Speaker 3: up there and be able to convince them to not
Speaker 3: destroy the earth. But if you look at it again metaphorically,
Speaker 3: this is them, this is us. This is people trying
Speaker 3: to convince these corporations not to do these things that
Speaker 3: will destroy the earth. But they don't listen, like AI
Speaker 3: like carbon issues or like pollution or any of these things. Right,
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I don't know. I'm left. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm fine with not knowing if it's all real, but
Speaker 3: I'm also kind of like interested in knowing. Okay, did
Speaker 3: he just imagine this part?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And the whole conspiracy thing is like you're watching
Speaker 1: this thing, and as I'm watching it, at one point,
Speaker 1: I'm like, he has this conspiracy theory and he convinced
Speaker 1: himself that this thing is indeed true. It turns out
Speaker 1: that it was true, But what if he wasn't and
Speaker 1: his belief in it created its own truth, which could
Speaker 1: lend credence to what Mike is saying is like he's
Speaker 1: so far gone that he just took it all the way.
Speaker 1: You know. I think there's the whole science aspect of
Speaker 1: it versus humanity. There's a lot of experimentation that goes on,
Speaker 1: you know as well with these drugs and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You know, you know life equals death going back to
Speaker 1: you know, the bees or Bogonia power. You know that
Speaker 1: whole thing that was going on, and you're captor, but
Speaker 1: you think you're still better than the people that capture you.
Speaker 1: You know, there's the whole thing about you know, environment
Speaker 1: as well. You know, so it's it's it's a few
Speaker 1: things here as well. I'm definitely want to rewatch it.
Speaker 1: I think you have it's smart, it's subtle. It's like there,
Speaker 1: but it's not in your face. You have environmentalism, corporate
Speaker 1: read you know, conspiracy theories, you know, the whole religious
Speaker 1: respect as well. You know, people, man, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: an interesting movie. I'm glad I actually watched it. Was
Speaker 1: there any favorite scene of performance?
Speaker 3: Well before I was just thinking, like, you know, even
Speaker 3: though I was wondering if it actually happened or not,
Speaker 3: I guess at the end of the day, it doesn't
Speaker 3: really matter, because I guess the whole point is, you know,
Speaker 3: whether or not whether she's an alien or she's not
Speaker 3: an alien. I think the whole point is we've let,
Speaker 3: you know, greed and ego and technology and money and
Speaker 3: all these things control how we treat each other.
Speaker 4: Because the whole time.
Speaker 3: They're so combative with each other, Teddy with Michelle, Michelle
Speaker 3: with Teddy, like they can never get to any kind
Speaker 3: of meeting ground. And I guess when you look at her, especially,
Speaker 3: she puts on this front of caring about people and
Speaker 3: you know, I want you to go home and have
Speaker 3: a good day, and also their ship, but in reality
Speaker 3: she doesn't give a fuck about anybody, because she still
Speaker 3: goes up to her ship, clips the button or clips
Speaker 3: the little bubble and kills everybody.
Speaker 1: And who could be the ship corporations CEOs?
Speaker 3: Yeah right right, yeah, And then you look at Teddy
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, he wasn't crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe he wasn't.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe the movie is telling us that we should
Speaker 3: listen to some of these people that tell you all
Speaker 3: things that sound crazy, but they're not all the way crazy.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a little bit of misinformation in there somewhere,
Speaker 3: but at the heart of it there's truth, you know.
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about the Alex Jones of the
Speaker 2: world people like that talking about lizard people and shit.
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 4: You know, like we were talking about earlier, when people
Speaker 4: say like, hey, you ain't got.
Speaker 2: To roll you win it down all the way like, oh,
Speaker 2: you sound crazy, but it's actually true.
Speaker 3: You know, it's actually true. Like they're these people, these
Speaker 3: ten full hat people. They sound insane, but maybe if
Speaker 3: we just stop and listen, maybe there's something there. I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's what your Goes Lancelos was saying
Speaker 3: or not, but I think it was an interesting thing.
Speaker 3: Didn't take from the movie.
Speaker 2: That's what I got from essentially what you're saying, that
Speaker 2: that there's something there. Like you have this person who
Speaker 2: throughout the whole movie, even if he didn't go out
Speaker 2: his way, well, they painted him as a crazy yes, yep,
Speaker 2: But then you get to the end of it and
Speaker 2: you're like, wait what yeah, and yeah, it goes to
Speaker 2: a lot of what you said to vocalize that in
Speaker 2: the sense of like maybe these people aren't as or.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's when when we first heard about climate change
Speaker 3: and all of us were like, but man, come on, thurs.
Speaker 2: Is getting that hot?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 4: And then it sound as stupid, But then.
Speaker 2: It's eighty degrees in November, right.
Speaker 3: You're like, wait a minute, those motherfuckers weren't crazy. But
Speaker 3: that's usually the way it goes. You sound crazy until
Speaker 3: you're able to prove that you're not. But what did
Speaker 3: you ask? Sorry you said favorite?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just favorite scene performance.
Speaker 2: Justin clemous Me. I think he killed this, but Stone
Speaker 2: did a great job as well. My favorite scene is
Speaker 2: probably the dinner scene, like him thinking spaghetti was a
Speaker 2: luxury me.
Speaker 1: He didn't even eat the he ate the noodles with
Speaker 1: no sauce. Was it? It was one of them with
Speaker 1: no sauce, Like what are you doing? That should bother god?
Speaker 1: I'm like, you have no spaghetti sauce on that?
Speaker 2: That was fun man, That whole thing was funny to me.
Speaker 2: But that was my favorite scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he and he climbed across the table, I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, that's insane. That was that was really
Speaker 1: really well done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I have a favorite scene.
Speaker 3: I just man, I do agree. Jesse Plemmings absolutely murdered this.
Speaker 3: The guy I played Donald was great, Uh, Emma Stone
Speaker 3: was great, but it was Jesse Plemmings. I mean, he
Speaker 3: never gets a full movie. And then that's as far
Speaker 3: as I can tell.
Speaker 4: He's always a.
Speaker 2: Character, get a good fifteen twenty minutes maybe ye, and.
Speaker 4: We're always like, dang, he killed that. Like even in
Speaker 4: that what was the movie about America crashing Civil War?
Speaker 4: Even some award five minutes and we were like, god damn,
Speaker 4: that was the most compelling the whole movie.
Speaker 3: But you finally get to see him slim down looking
Speaker 3: like a fucking crackhead. You see him through the entire movie,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, god damn, he really is a high
Speaker 3: quality actor. He killed this movie. But yeah, I definitely
Speaker 3: did see it again. I only saw it once. I
Speaker 3: didn't fall asleep, but it was definitely getting. You know,
Speaker 3: you sitting in a dark ass theater in a lounge chairs,
Speaker 3: there's definitely some moments that.
Speaker 4: Were a little testy, but yeah, I want to see
Speaker 4: it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me too. There was definitely a couple of
Speaker 1: lines that Teddy said that I wish I could remember
Speaker 1: and if I watched it again, and I would have,
Speaker 1: but it was Halloween, so I couldn't go.
Speaker 2: It's just so much better than Kinds of Kindness. I
Speaker 2: wish this followed Poor Things.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, oh yeah, I mentioned that earlier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this definitely had. When I saw after the fact that
Speaker 1: this was the guy that did a poor thing, I
Speaker 1: was like, made sense. And I wasn't that big of
Speaker 1: a fan of poor things, but huh, that's crazy. Maybe
Speaker 1: I need to rewatch it. But yeah, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think I was. I don't remember. Yeah, I wasn't a
Speaker 1: fan of poor Things, but after watching this, I was like, dang,
Speaker 1: maybe I need to go back and rewatch that. Yeah really, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I like the smart under cerebral undertones in this movie.
Speaker 1: But anyway, man, that's gonna do it for us. Man,
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