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Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of the Fan Morning Show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five the

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Speaker 1: Fan The Sees the Fan Morning Show with.

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Speaker 2: KB jab and Jeff Night.

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Speaker 3: To go in regulation, Bradley against Harris Chay, Bradley Wick

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Speaker 3: lets Tad spectacular Moon the.

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Speaker 2: Lawyer puts it off the shoe and even buries up

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Speaker 2: the poch. He's gonna put it ahead. Fletcher Laurie is

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Speaker 2: out in front, but he doesn't go after it. That

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Speaker 2: leaves it to Buris to get thirty their largest lead,

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Speaker 2: seventy two to fifty seven. Desperation time for Purdue. Brady Smith,

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Speaker 2: Treykoff from Ram Kirchill.

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Speaker 4: Llyd Blabra, a com possessor, Trio.

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Speaker 5: It hurts now.

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Speaker 2: Said Night at said os Hey. It's an Arizona story.

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Speaker 6: Tommy Lloyd and the Arizona Wildcats are headed to the

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Speaker 6: Final four.

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Speaker 2: Frustrated.

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Speaker 7: You know, our goal was to make the Final four,

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Speaker 7: playing India and win the national championship. So but I'm

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Speaker 7: just proud of everyone on this team, especially the seniors

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Speaker 7: that have been here. Everything they've accomplished, and I'm just

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Speaker 7: proud of all of them.

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Speaker 2: It's a team sport, it's not perfect.

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Speaker 4: And those guys showed up every day and you know,

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Speaker 4: in battle, and they were company men.

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Speaker 2: And that's what you want, man, You want you want.

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Speaker 4: Guys that you know do right by Purdue and not

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Speaker 4: just in a basketball since.

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Speaker 2: You want to leave a place better than who do

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Speaker 2: you got there?

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Speaker 6: So I feel like we won a lot of games,

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Speaker 6: learned a lot of lessons, and overcame.

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Speaker 2: A lot and a lot of people doubt of us.

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Speaker 4: But I think we stuck together, had confidence in one

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Speaker 4: another and ultimately confidence in ourselves.

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Speaker 5: All better than this guy.

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Speaker 2: Get it in the boot. Favors are ahead.

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Speaker 5: Booser that bought the fort, it's still a caravan joke,

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Speaker 5: tickets to it up. It's John Boozer bobbled it back

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Speaker 5: for Sar and he needs to get rid of it. Docer

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Speaker 5: Kaden seven seconds trying to.

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Speaker 1: Throw it a hand to flicted stolen by Connecticut.

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Speaker 5: Two seconds it s Mullin's up top for the wind.

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Speaker 2: Oh hit it good.

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Speaker 5: Three tenths in a second agoyl Kai Smith ran off

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Speaker 5: the bench. That should be a technical, but with three

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Speaker 1: If Connecticut has the least seventy three to seventy two.

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Speaker 6: There you go, Mark, a little bit of the Duke broadcast.

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Speaker 2: Right there should have been a technical.

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Speaker 8: Malkay Smith is on the floor.

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Speaker 2: That's turn the whole thing over. Grassmans crossed straws at

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Speaker 6: No, man, my goodness, Brayln mullins, mister Basketball Indiana coming through.

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Speaker 6: It's to say in the clutch is obviously an understatement,

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Speaker 6: but you look at that one from several of the replays,

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Speaker 6: and I love that shot from right behind him. That

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Speaker 2: Man, it was pure and on.

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's anything more loser mentality than screaming

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Speaker 5: for a technical in that situation. I think that's peak

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Speaker 5: loser mentality. Makes a looty sweeter that that was against

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Speaker 5: due to love it. I love that. I love that.

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Speaker 5: That's the Duke call. Thank you Mark Dyke O for that.

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Speaker 5: What a shot, what a moment. Incredible. You know, I

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Speaker 5: think to us in our little bubble, we're not too

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Speaker 5: surprised at Braylen Mullen's You know, it can hit a

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Speaker 5: shot of that capacity, but still, you know, it's not

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Speaker 5: soon as that deflection happened, I brought it up to

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Speaker 5: you guys earlier. It kind of brought back some memories

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Speaker 5: a few years ago when Virginia blew their game to Furman.

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Speaker 5: Very similar. You know, they're they're trying to kind of

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Speaker 5: the Virginia one, they just threw it away and then

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Speaker 5: we just turned it over. I'm not going to compound this.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to foul. I'm just gonna stand here

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Speaker 5: and you have Braylan Mullens fire from the volleyball line.

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people can raise their hand

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Speaker 5: and say we've seen him at a shot from thirty

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Speaker 5: greater implications, So can only imagine what his last twenty

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Speaker 5: coach with Braylon Mullens. There he's going to join the

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Speaker 5: show coming up tomorrow to talk more about him.

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Speaker 6: Excited about that. It'll be a lot of fun. Actually,

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Speaker 6: I'll be off the show tomorrow. I'll be doing John

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Speaker 6: Show tomorrow. So it'll be you and Mark and Caleb

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Speaker 6: and a few few minutes joined by James down in Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. We got that one on tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: Mark and I for three hours to Mark Dyton. Want

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Speaker 2: to move him into the cherry here, let's get him going.

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Speaker 8: So we're out of vacation. Put me to work, that's right.

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Speaker 5: So you slide to the afternoon spot and Mark and

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Speaker 5: I try to somehow keep the ship afloat in the morning.

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Speaker 2: I think you'll probably be just fine.

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Speaker 5: Does James Boyd know that he's joining us at six

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Speaker 5: am again local time?

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Speaker 2: Mark?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Is that how that work?

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Speaker 8: You just run a big boy?

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Speaker 6: There we go, but we will check in with him

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Speaker 6: in Phoenix. Of the NFL league meetings going on there

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Speaker 6: this this week and I don't know, there's still it's

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Speaker 6: amazing we've been talking about these defensive ends. It seems

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Speaker 6: like forever and ever and ever, Kevin, and not to

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Speaker 6: there are guys out there that are in their thirties

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Speaker 6: that have had some success at that position. But is

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Speaker 6: that really where you want to go with the team

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Speaker 6: at this point in time, Well.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't sound like it. You know, again, James will

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Speaker 5: based off what Carli Ersay Gordon said yesterday, it sounded

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Speaker 5: you know, again, you can't stop swinging at defensive end

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Speaker 5: here and be you know, instant impact, well that's a lot.

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Speaker 5: That's a lot to ask for, and they are there

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Speaker 5: is no I think you can make an argument outside

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Speaker 5: of Daniel Jones, there's no more important cult next to

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Speaker 5: the year than Laotu Latu. I think that's what a

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Speaker 5: lot of this offseason has said. I get you can

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Speaker 5: make a case for Alec Pierce. You could probably make

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Speaker 5: a case for Sauce Gardner, Jonathan Taylor. You know, of course,

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Speaker 5: given the offense means a whole lot, but just how

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Speaker 5: much pressure with the Forest Buckner getting up there in age.

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's a cult that means more to

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Speaker 5: this football team, and you really need a third year

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Speaker 5: jump than Laotu Latu.

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Speaker 2: Let's look at this optimistically.

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Speaker 6: What's the best case scenario that you can realistically see

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Speaker 6: for a lot too Right now, everything goes well and

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Speaker 6: perfectly for him, What can you see happening based on

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Speaker 5: Well past year he had what eight and a half

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Speaker 5: to believe in you know, continual jump for young rushers,

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Speaker 5: we're ads. Some questions would be again, if Buckner has

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Speaker 5: gone to divorce Buckan over the years, does that now

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Speaker 5: you know, trying to block the Colts on a Tuesday

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Speaker 5: you know ninety nine doesn't maybe need as much of

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Speaker 5: And I do think just individually, just a little bit

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Speaker 6: His Yeah, And when you take a look at what

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Speaker 6: Arden to get Arden, Key, Michael Clemens, Colby Wooden, nice

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Speaker 2: Is really the question?

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Speaker 5: question that I would have is was it Trey Hendrickson

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Speaker 5: it's played out so far. You know, they made, by

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Speaker 5: all accounts, a pretty significant offer to Trey Hendrickson. Once

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Speaker 5: we'll rather, you know, play kind of the numbers game,

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Speaker 5: and you know, trying to find depth or impact I

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Speaker 5: guess and quantity and it's just a dangerous game manufacturing

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Speaker 5: a pass rush. You know, I hear that phrase, and honest,

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Speaker 6: What do you make of the signing of Nick Westbrook Akine,

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Speaker 6: he's a bigger he's a bigger wide receiver, I mean

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Speaker 6: six two two eleven. How well can he That's not

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Speaker 6: even the right question. Michael Pittman's gone right now. That

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think that'll be more of a replacement

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Speaker 5: in numbers like, you know, if you're gonna tell me

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Speaker 5: manufacturer pass rush, I'd feel much better about you trying

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Speaker 5: to manufacture the loss of Michael Pittman Jr. Yeah, I

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Speaker 5: think you could throw a little bit more on the

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Speaker 5: play to Tyler Morren. Obviously he expects hm growth at

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Speaker 5: Alec Pierce. You know, josh Awns can catch a few

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Speaker 5: more balls Westbrook A Keene can kind of be a

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Speaker 5: poor poor man's Pittman. You know, they might draft a

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Speaker 5: wide out in whatever round three or four. That to

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Speaker 5: me seems a little bit more doable, feasible. You can

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Speaker 5: scheme that up. I don't love it, but I understand

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Speaker 5: it more than I understand you attempting to do that.

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Speaker 2: Well. He's twenty nine years old and he has a

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Speaker 2: career for.

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Speaker 6: Of one hundred and thirty seven receptions at this point time.

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Speaker 6: He's never been a guy that anybody's really leaned on.

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Speaker 5: Uh, divide up this fan pie chart for the final four.

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Speaker 6: From an Indianapolis perspective, all you got to do is

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Speaker 8: Right now, I'm saying, Michigan, do.

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Speaker 2: You think that fans here want Michigan to win?

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Speaker 8: I don't know if they want them to win. I'm

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Speaker 5: Are Yukon fans like Alabama football fans? They're just tired?

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Speaker 5: They're Yeah, we spend so much money over the years.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll show up Monday.

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Speaker 8: It's a lot of busy Southwest flights.

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Speaker 5: They might they had that place rocking on Saturday night.

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Speaker 8: Which local establishments need to be worried about? The fan bases?

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Speaker 5: Well, I tell you what if Iowa or Nebraska would

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't want to make any more money. Stop

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Speaker 5: Are you gonna hand me twenty thousand dollars?

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Speaker 2: How does that work?

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Speaker 5: More fans for Illinois are more fans for Michigan, I

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Speaker 6: I would probably go thirty five percent Illinois, twenty five

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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm staying with Michigan, but I could see

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Now, the Illinois Michigan fans, do they wave the big

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Speaker 8: Probably not rob low hats everywhere, just Big ten logos

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Speaker 5: Now, the city of Greenfield, you will be showing up

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Speaker 2: Who do you want to win at this point? Mark? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You've got Arizona winning, right, so you want them to win?

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Speaker 8: I have Arizona winning and I have them beating Yukon.

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Speaker 8: So I'm rooting for Arizona. You do to Big ten.

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Speaker 6: You do have all four final four teams. It was impressive.

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Speaker 8: Don't have to remind me. I was strutting like a

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Speaker 5: Not a lot of struttening around the meat section of

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Speaker 8: Filet Mignon, you might be on the table this week.

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Speaker 5: Congrats Mark. That is very impressive. But I think I've

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Speaker 5: football team. I'm watching this Mullins why play. I still

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Speaker 5: think Caraban passing it back to him I think is

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Speaker 5: So what a March moment. Incredible I had just as such. A.

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Speaker 6: Getting back to Purdue Fish from Stoops checking in this

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Speaker 2: A Friday about tkr's play.

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Speaker 5: It's like you got if you could have if perdue

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Speaker 6: backing the Brad Stevens Siah, Good morning, coach, Welcome to

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Speaker 6: the program. Thanks for being here early. I would imagine

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Speaker 6: it's been a whirlwind week for you, has it now?

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Speaker 4: It definitely has, but it's it's been great. It's been

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Speaker 5: Ronald, congrats man. What were your questions for Butler during

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's a great question.

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Speaker 5: We've had Rick Carlisle on this show here for about

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Speaker 4: Well, I think for us here at Butler, it starts

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Speaker 4: people are. Getting those right people on the bus, that's.

438
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Speaker 3: A big deal.

439
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Speaker 4: And then making sure that we are clear about our

440
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Speaker 4: identity once people get here, and also living in our identity.

441
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Speaker 4: You know, one of the things that I said in

442
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Speaker 4: the press conference was, you know, to be a tough, defensive,

443
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Speaker 4: first minded team. So to have the focus there and

444
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 4: not waiver from that will be something that's really important

445
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Speaker 4: as we get this program, get this program moving forward.

446
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Speaker 2: You played for Brad Stevens. Did you have a chance

447
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Speaker 2: to talk to him during any of this process?

448
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Speaker 3: I did.

449
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Speaker 4: I talked to Brad all the time, and so you know,

450
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Speaker 4: it wasn't abnormal for us to talk to this process.

451
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Speaker 4: But you know, obviously you know he's the best to

452
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Speaker 4: ever do it here. I think he's the best coach

453
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Speaker 4: in the country, although he's not coaching right now, and

454
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Speaker 4: so to be able to communicate with him frequently is

455
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Speaker 4: something that's been great for me.

456
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Speaker 5: That boys right there, the new head coach of the

457
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Speaker 5: Butler Bulldogs. He is Ronald nora Ed. We had you

458
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Speaker 5: on this morning show again probably three or four years

459
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Speaker 5: at this point now when you're getting ready to coach

460
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Speaker 5: the Pacer Summer League team. And yeah, I think you

461
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Speaker 5: had interviewed with Barry call year before they went with

462
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Speaker 5: Sad and you know you had mentioned you kind of

463
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Speaker 5: asked you a five to ten years down the road,

464
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Speaker 5: where do you see yourself? And you mentioned NBA head coach.

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Speaker 5: How much was I guess was there a shift at all?

466
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Speaker 5: And Okay, the NBA coach is probably not gonna happen.

467
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Speaker 5: It's gonna have to wait maybe, and it's going to

468
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Speaker 5: be more of a I'm gonna go back to my

469
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Speaker 5: alma mater and try to inject, you know, so much

470
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Speaker 5: needed life into that program.

471
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Speaker 4: Now, I wouldn't say that was the mindset. Obviously, love

472
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Speaker 4: the NBA. I've spent the majority of my career in

473
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Speaker 4: the NBA, and it is a it is a great place,

474
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Speaker 4: and you know, you know, some of those opportunities you

475
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Speaker 4: know could come, may come. There can be opportunities in

476
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Speaker 4: college at that time that that could come or may come.

477
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Speaker 4: But when this opportunity came about, and like I said,

478
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Speaker 4: there there's a great alignment amongst the levels of leadership.

479
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Speaker 4: And I believe in Grant Line Decker. Obviously he and

480
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Speaker 4: I played together here, but he's got a vision to

481
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Speaker 4: continue to move this place to places that we haven't

482
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Speaker 4: been before. And it is my alma mater and there

483
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Speaker 4: are great people here and so to be able to

484
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Speaker 4: align in that way is a big part of me

485
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Speaker 4: taking this job. You know, there's a lot of jobs

486
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Speaker 4: that could come available that you may not have that

487
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Speaker 4: level of alignment, and it can be really difficult to

488
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Speaker 4: have a chance of success without that. So Grant Line

489
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Speaker 4: Decker and just Butler University and his vision for it

490
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Speaker 4: and President Danko or major reasons why this intrigued me

491
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Speaker 4: and why I took the job.

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Speaker 5: Were you really the freshman year class president at Butler.

493
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Speaker 5: When you went there, I was, yeah, why did you run? Like,

494
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Speaker 5: I mean, it isn't you know, being the starting I'm

495
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Speaker 5: pretty sure you started as a freshman like I mean

496
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Speaker 5: you played a huge role, Like I mean, what wasn't

497
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Speaker 5: that enough for you? Why did you want to do that?

498
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Speaker 4: I was eighteen, you know, and we did. We all

499
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Speaker 4: do things at eighteen that we look back and sayd.

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Speaker 3: What were we thinking?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I think I would probably go down as the

502
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Speaker 4: least productive president of anything ever come in history.

503
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Speaker 5: So were you making poster boards where?

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Speaker 3: I mean?

505
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Speaker 5: Right? Was there a campaign went with this?

506
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Speaker 4: There was no doubt there was a campaign. Uh you know,

507
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 4: I was walking around campus and there were sidewalk chalk

508
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 4: like you almost couldn't walk on campus without walking over

509
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Speaker 4: my name somewhere. And so, uh, the campaign was really strong.

510
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Speaker 4: He got me elected, you know, the guy I think,

511
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Speaker 4: the guy that came in second. Uh you know, he

512
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Speaker 4: probably you know, was looking back at that, like, you know,

513
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Speaker 4: this guy took my opportunity away from me, and he.

514
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Speaker 2: Would be right, I don't know about it.

515
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Speaker 5: Now he's got four Yeah, now you have four kids

516
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Speaker 5: to use the sidewalk sidewalk chalk for right, right, you know.

517
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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right.

518
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Speaker 6: Hey, you spent one year as a head coach at Brownsburg.

519
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Speaker 6: What what did you learn in that year?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Man, what a what an amazing community. And you know,

522
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Speaker 4: Jim Snapp, the superintendent at Brownsburg, Brett de Gay was

523
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Speaker 4: a president at that time, or the I'm sorry, the

524
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Speaker 4: principal at that time. Those guys were unbelievable and Jim

525
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Speaker 4: Snap I owe him a great deal of gratitude for

526
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Speaker 4: the chance he took on me to be a head coach,

527
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Speaker 4: you know, at a big high school with a great

528
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Speaker 4: basketball tradition and reputation. What I learned there was the

529
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Speaker 4: importance of being a part of the community at Brownsburg.

530
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Speaker 4: It's a great community and to really succeed there, you know,

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Speaker 4: you've got to be a part of that community, live

532
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Speaker 4: in that community. And the other thing I learned there

533
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Speaker 4: that I take away from there is the great coaches

534
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Speaker 4: that are in Indiana high school basketball. I mean, it

535
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Speaker 4: was every single night, no matter who we played, going

536
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 4: against a great coach. And so you have to be prepared,

537
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 4: you have to know what you're doing. You have to

538
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Speaker 4: take the time to really teach your kids because in

539
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Speaker 4: this state. If you don't at the high school level,

540
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Speaker 4: it's going to be really, really difficult.

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Speaker 6: Last thing for me too, when you look at Yukon,

542
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Speaker 6: who's now playing in the NCAA tournament still because of

543
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Speaker 6: a buzzer beater yesterday.

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Speaker 2: From an Indiana kid.

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Speaker 6: By the way, what's it going to take for Butler

546
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Speaker 6: to be able to compete with the Yukons and the

547
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Speaker 6: Saint John's in the Big East.

548
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Speaker 2: You're in, You're out. What's the biggest thing to do

549
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Speaker 2: do to make that happen?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

551
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Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing is just being very clear

552
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 4: about who we want to be. We have to live

553
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 4: inside of our identity. We have to be the best

554
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 4: version of Butler that we can be for us. That

555
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 4: starts on the defensive end, and so in our recruiting

556
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 4: and our coaching and our teaching, we've got to be

557
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Speaker 4: a defensive team. First. We've got to be a physical team.

558
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Speaker 4: I believe defense travels no matter where you are. You know,

559
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 4: from night to night you can shoot the ball well,

560
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 4: you know, you can shoot the ball poorly, But if

561
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 4: you can be a great defensive team, you can always

562
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Speaker 4: put yourself in a position to win.

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Speaker 5: Ronald when we had you on a couple of years ago,

564
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Speaker 5: we brought up the you stepping into one against Syracuse

565
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Speaker 5: down for just a massive shot in that run of

566
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Speaker 5: the National title game. People forget about the Murray State

567
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 5: game as well in your impact. When you think back

568
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Speaker 5: on those two years and making the National Title game

569
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Speaker 5: back to back years, what's maybe an under the radar

570
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Speaker 5: moment and under the radar game that you feel like

571
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Speaker 5: should get brought up a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: That's a that's a great question.

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Speaker 4: First of all, you're making me feel good, you know,

574
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Speaker 4: reliving all all my couple of highlights that I had

575
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Speaker 4: in my four years of my career.

576
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Speaker 3: And that.

577
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 5: Was no joke. That was no joke.

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Speaker 4: They need Yeah, underrated, I would say, you know, every

579
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Speaker 4: game is important. I think about, you know, having a

580
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Speaker 4: having a grind through the Wisconsin game and the Sweet sixteen.

581
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Speaker 4: I mean the Florida game, the Elite eight in twenty eleven. Uh,

582
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Speaker 4: that overtime game Krishawn Hopkins, who has not played I'm

583
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Speaker 4: not sure he had played much all in the tournament,

584
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Speaker 4: you know, as a freshman. Uh, we needed a spark

585
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 4: and comes in and I think he hit three threes.

586
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Speaker 4: I had a quick nine points that without that, we

587
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Speaker 4: don't have a chance to go on overtime, and Florida

588
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 4: was controlling the game. So there's a lot of little

589
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Speaker 4: moments like that that happened, but that's probably one that

590
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Speaker 4: stands out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys had some epic first weekend games as well.

592
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Speaker 5: Out both those runs. Okay, last last one for me.

593
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Speaker 5: You know, we talked about when a coach gets hired

594
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 5: xcell and os this and recruiting that and all of that.

595
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Speaker 5: How much do you view a big part of your

596
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Speaker 5: job being the need to help raise money.

597
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Speaker 2: I think it's critical.

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Speaker 4: I think it's critical in this role. You know, one

599
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 4: thing that Grahat and I talked about was our partnership

600
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 4: and being able to push our program forward together. And again,

601
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Speaker 4: I a large part of the reason I came here

602
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 4: is because of Grant, his vision, his work ethic, and

603
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Speaker 4: I want to be a great teammate and join him

604
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Speaker 4: in that. And so all the people that are supporting

605
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 4: our program, we want to get out in front of them.

606
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 4: We want to continue that support, sell our vision and

607
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 4: make sure people know that they're going to be proud

608
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 4: of Butler basketball.

609
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Speaker 6: Anybody are going to be allowed to wear number five

610
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Speaker 6: that's my last question, I think so.

611
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, they have not retired it yet,

612
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 4: so we'll see if that ever happens.

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Speaker 2: All right, hey, thanks for a few minutes this morning.

614
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Speaker 2: We appreciate it.

615
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Speaker 6: We look forward to working with you, and congratulations on

616
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Speaker 6: the new job, and we can't wait to see what

617
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Speaker 6: happens next you gras.

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Speaker 2: Ronald, Thank guys, appreciated talk.

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Speaker 6: To He's head coach of the Butler Bulldogs. Now Ronald

620
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Speaker 6: nored and going right back into the family. A guy,

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Speaker 6: as you mentioned, played with them, had a big shot,

622
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Speaker 6: was the point guard. Started as a freshman, certainly had

623
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Speaker 6: a presence on campus.

624
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Speaker 2: So he's coming home at the age of thirty six.

625
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Speaker 5: Shout out to Verlin. If only we all could say

626
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Speaker 5: the stupid thing we did at eighteen was be our

627
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Speaker 5: college class president. Mark dykedon. That's not on your resume

628
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 5: at you, indy shockingly No, No, but I sure as

629
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Speaker 5: hell you've got enough children If you need a write

630
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Speaker 5: down some sidewalk chalk today, you got girls that'll help

631
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Speaker 5: you out and.

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Speaker 8: Clean out the groad gesture. I was like, howse shocked

633
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Speaker 8: does one household need? It's a lot of chalk in here.

634
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Speaker 2: Did they go did they immediately use it yesterday when

635
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Speaker 2: you ran.

636
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Speaker 8: Into again, hands off, you haven't touched it months or

637
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 8: not touching it now.

638
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Speaker 5: By the way, shout out to Krishawn Hopkins. I had

639
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 5: forgotten about that when Brad Stevens come turned him in

640
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Speaker 5: that Elite eight game against FLOORA. Chlvin Mack was so

641
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 5: good throughout it. I mean, I think back those early runs,

642
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 5: the old Dominion games and the Pittsburgh game. Of course,

643
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Speaker 5: I know John had Matt Howard or I think maybe

644
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 5: Jake had Matt Howard on last week, and you know

645
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 5: he was so so key with so many big plays

646
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 5: and obviously rest in peace to Andrews Smith and his

647
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 5: tip in and yeah, pretty fun to kind of go

648
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 5: down memory lane there, but definitely gonna bring energy and

649
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 5: life into that program model Nora and I said it

650
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Speaker 5: last week. I do think there was a high ceiling

651
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 5: with this higher I understand it's a first time head

652
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 5: coach and that maybe creates a little bit of a

653
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 5: lower floor. But I think when you are probably going

654
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 5: to be always at a resource disadvantage when you bring

655
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Speaker 5: up Yukon and Saint John's Jeff, then you've got to

656
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 5: try and create a higher ceiling elsewhere. And I do

657
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Speaker 5: think nor Ed's just frankly, his energy level, his embrace

658
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 5: of what this era is all about. And I do

659
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 5: think the defense thing is real. Clearly it was real.

660
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 5: It was why he was on the floor as once

661
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 5: as he was in his time there a butler.

662
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Speaker 6: All right to look back at the pace win at

663
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Speaker 6: home yesterday, Also a big week out of basketball everywhere.

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Speaker 6: We get some of your thoughts and comments, and check

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Speaker 6: out the text line at two three nine ten seventy

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Speaker 6: in a moment as we continue ninety three five one

667
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Speaker 6: oh seven five to fan Purdue came within one half

668
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 6: of getting there, really struggled at times during the season,

669
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Speaker 6: got it together after being ranked number one in the preseason,

670
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Speaker 6: and look good in the first half against Arizona, but

671
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Speaker 6: tough half against the Wildcats to finish things off.

672
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Speaker 2: And that's how it ends. For that terrific trio of seniors.

673
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Speaker 6: For Matt Painter and joining us here to tell us

674
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 6: a little bit more about the journey, the tournament, the game,

675
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 6: all of it.

676
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: Are our very good friend Rob.

677
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 6: Blackman, who is the play by play voice of the

678
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 6: boiler Makers on the Payless Lookers Hotline.

679
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: First of all, thanks for joining us this morning.

680
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: Rob.

681
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: It's always good to have you here.

682
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 6: I know it was probably a tough trip home, but

683
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 6: it all just kind of came to an end in

684
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 6: those last twenty minutes.

685
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: What was the feel on site.

686
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: There, good question, Jeff. Feel on site was holy cap

687
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: at halftime, holy cow? How are we hanging in here

688
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: with some really unusual grouping of five We were because

689
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: of foul trouble on Trey Kaufman Wren, Matt Painter and

690
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: the coaching staff was really having to throw out some

691
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: unique groupings of five group groups that we have not

692
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: played together all season, quite frankly, and then you look

693
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: up and produce up thirty eight thirty one. You're like, wow,

694
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: how did this work? Although at the time you felt

695
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: like you ask what it felt like courtside, it felt

696
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: like that was not sustainable, especially if Trey Kaufman Wren

697
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: was in foul trouble again in the second half, which

698
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: unfortunately happened about, you know, forty five seconds into the

699
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: half and then it just the bottom kind of fell out,

700
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: which you could you kind of could kind of feel

701
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 3: it coming again just because of felt like you're playing

702
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 3: with house money in that first twenty minutes. So yeah,

703
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: it was the other thing too, Jeff, I would say,

704
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: as you sit there courtside and you looked at the

705
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 3: overall athleticism and the size and the strength of Arizona,

706
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: you find yourself saying, Wow, where do they find these guys?

707
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: We could use a few of those in wes Lafayette.

708
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: But a long winded answer there. But at the end

709
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: of the day, you felt like what had happened in

710
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: the first twenty minutes probably was not going to be

711
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: sustainable in the second twenty and of course, as we

712
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: found out it wasn't.

713
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Rob, I feel like in first thank you for

714
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 5: the time. I feel like a key sequence there early

715
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 5: second half was and Trey coffmin Wren missed, you know,

716
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 5: a shot that he usually hits, you know, I think

717
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 5: it was the first possession, maybe pdue hat and then

718
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 5: committed that third foul. You know, you would survived the

719
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 5: Jacobson minutes in the first half. It just seemed like

720
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 5: you were playing with fire trying to do it again.

721
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was it, and you probably, Kevin, you

722
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: probably explained it probably better than I did. It's exactly

723
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: how it felt sitting there. You know, you miss that

724
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: that little floater that that Trey has made a thousand

725
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: times in his career, and then to reach in and

726
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: foul to figure up that third foul out of frustration

727
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: after missing that shot, you just felt like, man, it's

728
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 3: not like you felt like it was an impossible task

729
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: at that point, but you just knew it was going

730
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: to be an uphill climb because there's no way that

731
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: Arizona wasn't going to make a run in the second half.

732
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: You knew it was coming. I mean, look, they've only

733
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: lost two games all year. They haven't lost a game

734
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 3: since February fourteenth, for gosh shakes, that's Valentine's Day. Okay,

735
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: they haven't here who we are closing in on April.

736
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 3: They haven't lost the game since Valentine's Day. There's a

737
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: reason why they're a number one seat in the West

738
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: and why they're going to the Final four. So you

739
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: just really felt like you were in big trouble when

740
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: Trey picked up that third foul, and yeah, Purdue was

741
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: in trouble playing that playing that team.

742
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 5: He is the play by play voice of the Boilers

743
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 5: Purdue Global Radio Network. We always enjoy our chats Rob Blackman,

744
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 5: and he's joining us here on this Monday morning. Let's

745
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 5: go back to Thursday night. I don't know how many

746
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 5: game winners you have had the ability to call. You know,

747
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 5: obviously would produce has been so good you don't need

748
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 5: many of those moments, But could you kind of walk

749
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 5: us through, you know, as a play by play person,

750
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 5: what the ending was like for you and calling that

751
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 5: on Thursday?

752
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are I'm on a text string with a

753
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: number of Big ten radio play by play guys Don

754
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 3: Don Fisher included, and we all try to chime in,

755
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 3: you know, when something exciting happens for one of us.

756
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 3: And I was awfully flattered to get to get a

757
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 3: lot of guys, including Don hitting me up on that

758
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: text after that call saying how much they enjoyed it

759
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: and they thought I nailed it. So that was awful

760
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: flattering for me. But yes, as a those are the

761
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: as I then I put on the text string. The

762
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: guys that are in my business, I mean, that's what

763
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: you that's what you're in it for, that's what you

764
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 3: dream of right there, Those opportunities, because they are few

765
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 3: and far in between, and especially to happen in an

766
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: NCAA tournament game led alone a Sweet sixteen game. That's uh,

767
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 3: that's what That's what it's all about, right there. I

768
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: have called a couple of game winners with Purdue, both

769
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 3: with Jade and Ivy of all things, and both against

770
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: Ohio State, ironically enough, the back to back years. And

771
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 3: there have been some others that have been close, you know,

772
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: the buzzer beaters, last game winners, but nothing like that

773
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 3: one on Thursday night. So that was that was a

774
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 3: lot of fun. And obviously it's a lot of fun

775
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 3: when you when it's the team you work for that

776
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: makes the game winner. I'm thinking about those guys at

777
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: Duke yesterday on the Duke radio call. That must not

778
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 3: have been much fun for them. They guess they called

779
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 3: it a buzzer beater, but it wasn't for their team,

780
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 3: so that those can't be nearly as much fun. But yes,

781
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 3: that was That's what you live for in my business,

782
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: so I was happy I had that opportunity.

783
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 6: Rob Black been joining us on the Payless Lickers hotline

784
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 6: this morning, and Rob, you were there every step of

785
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 6: the way for this terrific trio of seniors that we've

786
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 6: been talking about as you just on the way home,

787
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 6: reflecting on all of the last four years, what were

788
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 6: the thoughts that dominated your mind?

789
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 3: Well, the biggest one, Jeff, is that for this group,

790
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 3: and talking about the three seniors specifically, depict themselves up

791
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: off the mat after what was just one of the

792
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: most excruciating, slash slash depressing losses in the history of

793
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: Perdue basketball, losing to a sixteen seed right out of

794
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: the gate as freshmen right in the NCAAA Tournament. I mean,

795
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: that is an ugly ward that you feel like you

796
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: just can never remove. But to their credit to then

797
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: just immediately get up off the mat and not only

798
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: go to a Final four the next season, but then

799
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: just continue to win at the level they won. You know,

800
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 3: you go to a Sweet sixteen after that, the following season,

801
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: you go to an Elite eighth, and you look back

802
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: at all of it when it's all said and done.

803
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 3: Two Big Ten regular season championships, two Big Ten tournament championships.

804
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 3: They are the all time winning class in the history

805
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 3: of Perdue basketball. They won an average of twenty nine

806
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: games a season. To me, that's the most amazing number,

807
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: and there are a lot of amazing numbers. They put

808
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 3: up to average twenty nine wins a year over your

809
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: four years, PARDUSI only had three thirty game winners in

810
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: the history of the program, and they were part of

811
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: two of them, the two of the three, so as

812
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 3: far as thirty one season. So but yes, the first

813
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: thing that probably will always come to mind is that

814
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 3: it just started off so awfully for them. So, I mean,

815
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: I don't know how it could start any worse, quite

816
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: frankly than losing to a sixteen seed right out of

817
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: the gate as freshmen and then, like I said, to

818
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 3: get up off the mat and have the careers that

819
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: they end up having. It is, yes, the individual numbers

820
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 3: are they are where they are, especially for Braden Smith

821
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: when you consider the incredible numbers he put up, but

822
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 3: just has a group from where they started to where

823
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: they ended up. That that to me is the hell

824
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: of a story.

825
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 5: And the voice of the Boilers, Rob Blackman, he's with

826
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 5: the seat on the payloss Slickers hotline. Robbie, look at

827
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 5: these elite eights. You know you go back to obviously

828
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 5: the Ryan Klein Carson Edwards team. You know you lose

829
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 5: just in beyond excrue shading fas to Virginia, of course

830
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 5: the national runner up, more than the Leite eight a

831
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 5: couple of years ago with Yukon. I think there's a

832
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 5: case to be made that the third time will be

833
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 5: a national champion who ended Purdue season. I think Arizona

834
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 5: could very well be on their way. When you look

835
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 5: at those three different Purdue teams, you know they are

836
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 5: three different teams. Is it the Virginia one that stings

837
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 5: the most just because of how close it was? Had

838
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 5: a feeling obviously of Duke Yukon yesterday in my opinion,

839
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 5: Or do you point to, you know, a different year,

840
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 5: you know, the fact you got to a national title

841
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 5: another year, or even this past year, given that it

842
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 5: was the makeup of a senior class that I don't

843
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 5: think we'll see for a long long time in all

844
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 5: of college basketball.

845
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kevin, thanks for asking, because to me, it's much

846
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: more personal and it is the Virginia loss that will

847
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 3: always hurt the most. And I say that because that

848
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: was the last year with kliz On the play by

849
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 3: play Larry Clise meet by probably most your listeners will

850
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: know this, but Larry Clise be the longtime radio voice

851
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 3: of Purdue basketball. The guy I worked with for fifteen years.

852
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 3: Who passed away, Well, it's been five years ago February,

853
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: I guess anyway, that was Clise was not well.

854
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 5: At that time.

855
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 3: He had both both lung cancer and brain cancer, and everyone,

856
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: even those that weren't on the inside, knew that this

857
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: is going to be his final season twenty nineteen. So

858
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: that in CLIs had never got into a final four

859
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: with Purdue. So to be that close literally to be

860
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: three tenths of a second away from going to the

861
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: final four, from more importantly, getting close to the final four, right,

862
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: that was the That's what we'll always make that one

863
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 3: sting the most, without question. And again that's me personally.

864
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: I'm sure fans might have a different answer because they

865
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 3: didn't have the personal attachment there that I did from

866
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: an emotional standpoint. But yeah, that's the one twenty nineteen

867
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 3: will we will Well, nothing will ever change that I

868
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: can't imagine, just because it again, we got quizzed so

869
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 3: close to the final four, but but but couldn't get

870
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: couldn't get to the finish line there, yea.

871
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 6: And Rob, Matt's been so good. Matt Painter's been so

872
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 6: good about rebuilding and reloading and moving forward and keeping

873
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 6: this thing rolling at a at a level where you

874
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 6: are thought to be a contender year in and year out.

875
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 6: You expect that to just continue right right on.

876
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: I do, uh, And I think that's the beauty of it.

877
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 3: It's both the beauty and the curse. You guys know this.

878
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: You've been around sports long enough. You know the expectation

879
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: level has been raised immensely with Purdue basketball. It's no

880
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: longer about well, you know, can you get to the

881
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 3: second weekend? You know, I think Purdue has proven that

882
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: getting to the second weekend now in the NCAA Tournament,

883
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 3: that's that's you just that's come to be expected. That

884
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 3: that's you know, that's the baseline for what should be

885
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: happening with Purdue basketball. So uh to me, and I know,

886
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 3: you know, some fans might get worked up about about it,

887
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 3: but to me, that that that that's you know, that's

888
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: the that's the ultimate compliment. If your fans are angry

889
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: that you didn't get to the final four every single year, Uh,

890
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: then that is the ultimate compliment because you have raised

891
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: the bar now to a level where that's that is

892
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 3: what is expected in what when, what what should be happening?

893
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: So uh, you look at the incoming recruiting class so

894
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 3: that Matt Painters put together and most of the publications

895
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 3: that follow that kind of stuff have it in the

896
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 3: certainly in the top ten in the nation for incoming guys.

897
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 3: Is going to add a what looks to be a

898
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 3: pretty important piece in Caden Pierce, Alex Piers's younger brother

899
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: the transfer, so it'll be a predue next season. So yeah,

900
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: I don't look, it's going to be tough to replace

901
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: this group of three, without question when you look at

902
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 3: the overall numbers they put up. But again, when you

903
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: have raised the expectation level to where it is now,

904
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: then uh, then guess what you expect You're expected to

905
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 3: make a deep run again next year, So that that's

906
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 3: where the expectation level is. And quite frankly, I'd rather

907
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: have it that way than then the other way. So

908
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: but you know what they say, Let's let's reload and

909
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: try again next year.

910
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 5: Rob, if I could sneak in one one final one,

911
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 5: is there any hope for a six year with Oscar Cloth?

912
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 5: And I get that trying to predict eligibility decisions by

913
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 5: the NCAA is like me trying to predict if my

914
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 5: kids are going to wake up happy or sad today.

915
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 5: So it's probably a stupid question, but I feel like

916
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 5: there was some discussion about that.

917
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: No, it's a fair question. The problem is, if you

918
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: talk to twelve people that would consider themselves experts on

919
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: the subject, six of them are going to tell you

920
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 3: he has a great chance of getting that sixty year

921
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: and the other six are going to tell you no

922
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: way in hell. So and I tell you that with

923
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: one hundred percent honesty, because I've asked at least a

924
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 3: dozen people who I believe are pretty knowledgeable on the subject,

925
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 3: and everyone I've asked, every other one I should say

926
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 3: I've asked, has had a different answer. So no, I

927
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: do not know. But let's all be very honest with

928
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 3: each other here. It sure would go a long way

929
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: to Purdue being able to have another great season next

930
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 3: year if if indeed, he's granted another year of eligibility,

931
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: Because I would argue, and I think I said this

932
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: even on the radio. In this little run that Purdue

933
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 3: put together in March where they won seven in a

934
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 3: row before losing to Arizona, you could make a pretty

935
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: valid argument that the most consistent player that whole time

936
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: was Oscar Cloff, so he Yeah, that'd be a really

937
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 3: valuable piece. If the nc get folks of the NCAA

938
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: would allow him to play one one more year in

939
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 3: West Laviette.

940
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: It would be fun for everybody who's a boiler Maker follower.

941
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: Rob.

942
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 6: As always, we really appreciate you getting up early and

943
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 6: spending time with us. A great job on the call

944
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 6: this past weekend as always, and look forward to it

945
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 6: starts all over again in the fall for football.

946
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: My man, Hey, I got a honeydew list about a

947
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: mile long, so let's not get there just yet. Okay, guys,

948
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: I got a lot of craft to.

949
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: Do, all right, Buddy Dolby's prized We calling you again.

950
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: We find out a little bit more about roster construction.

951
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: Okay, sweet, I appreciate it.

952
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 5: The jubilation and the agony all in one right there

953
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 5: of what we love about March madness. Good Monday morning

954
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 5: to you. Thanks for spending the final hour of the

955
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 5: Fan Morning show with us. Kevin Bowen, Mark Dyton for

956
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 5: the final hour, yere jeff Ricord at a run to

957
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 5: a meeting, and very gracious for our next guest, Mark Dyton,

958
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 5: what he sent us a text about ten to fifteen

959
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 5: last night.

960
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, I of his LINEI making the final four. So

961
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 8: he might have not been thinking clearly about the time difference,

962
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 8: but yet here he is.

963
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 5: Now. If Illinois had lost, you think he still would have.

964
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 8: Draped He told us he wouldn't even responded. Who told

965
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 8: us kick rocks?

966
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 5: Kick rocks undred percent? James Boyd courtesy of the Athletic.

967
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 5: Out there, he's just got He's got fresh cream cheese

968
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 5: on the bagel right now at six oh three in

969
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 5: the morning. He's got no limp bacon out there. He's

970
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 5: a high end buffet with the crispiest bacon out there.

971
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 5: James Boyd, Good morning to you.

972
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: You, Good morning fellows. And I will say this hotel

973
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: is very, very nice, and I'm not nice than I.

974
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: Ever expected to ever be in a hotel like this.

975
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 8: So last year you ran into Serena Williams by mistake.

976
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 8: Who are you running into this? Who are you rubbing

977
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 8: elbows with this morning? Nobody that big.

978
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: But I will say I was in a lobby yesterday

979
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: and Pat McAfee walked up to me said, hey, man,

980
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: great covers last season. I was like, oh my god,

981
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: I didn't think you knew who.

982
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 8: I was pretty nice, humble bragged by James Boyd. It's

983
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 8: six oh four local time.

984
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 5: That would be rising star king of old media.

985
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: You know it from Get a Correct, Get a Correct?

986
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 5: Rick Carlisle right there, James, before we get started. I

987
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 5: don't know how much of Mark's intro that you just

988
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 5: caught there. Obviously we had the produced side of it

989
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 5: to start, and then we had what we saw yesterday

990
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 5: with Brayln Mullins. Uh, the Duke radio call calling for

991
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 5: a technical foul and the Yukon kid that ran out

992
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 5: on the floor. Is there any more loser mentality than that?

993
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 5: I think it's peak loser mentality calling for the technical

994
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 5: on the player or coach that runs out on the floor.

995
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking, get this dork off the air.

996
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear this right now. But except

997
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: the team for you all. I finished up writing some

998
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: stuff about meeting with Carl Rossa Gorg which we'll get into.

999
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: But I caught the last like three or four minutes

1000
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: of that game. So I'm sitting in the Arizona builtmore

1001
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: Beautiful hotel. Everyone's like trying to you know, smooth and

1002
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: talk to different owners and coaches, and I'm watching this

1003
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: game and Braylen Moons hit that shot and I just

1004
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: lose my mind. I was thinking to myself, oh my gosh,

1005
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get arrested. They're gonna throw me out of here,

1006
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: like no one's watching this game. So thankfully with me

1007
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: and one other guy who will ran our AirPods watching

1008
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: this game, we both lost our minds and it was like, Okay,

1009
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: someone of solidarity, someone can understand what I'm witnessing right now.

1010
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: And then I told everybody in my vicinity. He's from Indiana.

1011
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 5: Mark's been kicked out of the Sam's Club and Fishers

1012
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 5: and James have been kicked out of the built.

1013
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 8: Moore in Phoenix hit that shot James, and I was

1014
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 8: literally in the meat section of Sam's Club and I

1015
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 8: jumped and yelled holy blank out loud, and I think

1016
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 8: everybody thought there was a sale going on.

1017
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: Well you and me both, brother, because that was incredible.

1018
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 1: And just think about this, guys. I watched them last year,

1019
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: Luke Rtle and the Mount Vernon team upsets them in

1020
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: the sectional final. So Braylain Moins never won a sexual

1021
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 1: championship in high school and he hit that shout yesterday

1022
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: send the team was the final four. So how about

1023
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: that for a year difference?

1024
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 5: Greenfield, Indiana stand up, Hancock County stand up. With the

1025
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 5: weekend they had Mount Vernon coming back. James in the

1026
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 5: building for that one, and then he was out to Phoenix. Okay,

1027
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 5: let's just lay a little bit of like I guess

1028
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 5: the schedule for an audience that maybe's not following exactly

1029
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 5: what's going on there at the league meetings before we

1030
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 5: dive into exactly what Carli Ersa Gordon had to say.

1031
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 5: She talked yesterday, right, and then we'll hear from Chris

1032
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 5: Bowden chainsyke in today tomorrow. How's all this working?

1033
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: So she spoke yesterday, and then we'll hear from Chris

1034
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: Ballard at one o'clock this time in Phoenix, so that should

1035
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: be about four o'clock during John's show coming up later today.

1036
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: And then we'll talk to Shane Stiken tomorrow morning at

1037
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: the Coach's Breakfast.

1038
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 5: Okay, first time we've heard from carl ars Gordon since

1039
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 5: the end of the season. We've read a couple of

1040
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 5: the quotes that you had in your story here this

1041
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 5: morning up on the athletics website, but I'll just ask

1042
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 5: it to you, because I think it was about a

1043
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 5: half hour sit down with there. The biggest thing you

1044
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 5: learned from her.

1045
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 4: Was what.

1046
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: I think my biggest takeaway Kevin was her true belief

1047
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: and that aid and to start, I mean, the quote

1048
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: that keeps sticking in my mind is her saying that

1049
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: it's like we press pause in a movie and now

1050
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: we get to resume it and reference to Daniel Jones

1051
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: and the rest of the team, and I think it'll

1052
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: be a lot better this time. I'm paraphrasing a little bit,

1053
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: but in my mind, I'm like, boy, that is some

1054
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: conviction or perhaps some delusion, just because sports are cruel,

1055
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: and I think with Daniel in particular, the injury history

1056
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: is concerning. I asked about that as well. She told me, hey,

1057
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: he's working hard. He could have just you know, went

1058
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: into a shell, but he didn't. He stuck around for

1059
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: Riley Lawrence, Philip Rivers when we brought him in and

1060
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: we believed that he can lead this team. And pardon me,

1061
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: was just like, how can you be that contident in

1062
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: something like that when you've seen the results you after

1063
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: year him not staying healthy. So that was one of

1064
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: my biggest takeaways was just, wow, you think this is

1065
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: a movie. And I was like, my thinking to myself, man,

1066
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: sequels an't always as good as the original, and for

1067
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: your sake, I hope it is.

1068
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 8: This doesn't seem like terminator to judgment day. I will

1069
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,959
Speaker 8: say that when it comes to the Colts, but doesn't

1070
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 8: seem like there's any indication that there are any moves

1071
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 8: on the way either. It seems like she's pretty comfortable

1072
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 8: with the way the roster has constructed, how they've handled

1073
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 8: free agency, and they're just going to kind of you know,

1074
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 8: there might be a mover here or there, but it

1075
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,479
Speaker 8: won't be any sort of significance ahead of the draft.

1076
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 8: Is that your takeaway as well?

1077
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: A little bit because she did know, because I believe

1078
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: it was. Stephen Holder was like, hey, do you think

1079
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: this team has improved? And she was like, we're off

1080
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: to a great start, and she can't really mentioned free

1081
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: agency as a remaining avenue. Not granted they probably could

1082
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: go out and get somebody at this point, I don't

1083
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: know who that would be. But she also mentioned, Okay, well,

1084
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Speaker 1: the D line is where we have to get better,

1085
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: and we need to draft have a lot of opportunities,

1086
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Speaker 1: and I was thinking to myself, Okay, it sounds like

1087
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Speaker 1: they're going to draft a defensive end. But the follow

1088
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Speaker 1: up that I, you know, really have for Chris Baller

1089
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Speaker 1: more so than her because she did defer to him

1090
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Speaker 1: for a couple of the team building decisions and stuff

1091
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Speaker 1: like that, which is fair. He is the general manager,

1092
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: will hear from him letter today. But my mind, I'm

1093
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 1: just thinking to myself, Okay, well, how do you all

1094
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Speaker 1: fill so many holes with really the draft left? Like,

1095
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: to me, that is a bit naive to think that

1096
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: he's going to find all the answers. And when we

1097
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: did bring up some of the holes in the roster,

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Speaker 1: she mentioned, oh well, justin Wally and Hunter Woler, those

1099
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Speaker 1: guys are going to be healthy this year. And I'm

1100
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Speaker 1: thinking to myself, Man, I didn't expect those names to

1101
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: get mentioned when we're talking about trying to go win,

1102
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Speaker 1: you know, enough games to get to the playoffs. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're fine players, but I mean we're talking about a

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Speaker 1: rookie safety and a rookie cornerback who never played last year,

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Speaker 1: So that's a lot to put on.

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Speaker 5: Their Yeah, we kind of shared some thoughts earlier. I

1107
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Speaker 5: thought that quote, unlike again, improving if you've improved. I

1108
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 5: was scratching my head at that. It's like, you know,

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Speaker 5: it's one thing, okay, Daniel Jones played good football for

1110
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Speaker 5: you last year. To put Hunter Woller and Justin Walley

1111
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 5: into that category when they haven't taken a snap in

1112
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Speaker 5: the NFL, I think is super premature on that end. Again,

1113
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Speaker 5: James Boyd with us. He's out in Phoenix. It is

1114
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Speaker 5: the league's annual meetings.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 5: They'll hear from Chris Ballard coming up later today, Shane

1117
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 5: Sike and tomorrow the Athletic where you can find James's work.

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Speaker 5: I did want to throw one more in there. On

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Speaker 5: the Carly front. I saw Stephen Holder mention she was

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Speaker 5: asked about any sort of private equity investment into the team,

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Speaker 5: and James, I guess, just to offer a little context

1122
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 5: to our audience and feel free to correct me, he implemented.

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Speaker 5: The NFL implemented this rule a couple of years ago

1124
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Speaker 5: where they could allow for some private equity into ownership.

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Speaker 5: I believe it has to be capped, and I think

1126
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Speaker 5: it's ten percent would be the highest that you can go.

1127
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 5: We've seen a few teams around the league do this again.

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Speaker 5: It's a very small minority. And Carly's response to that

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Speaker 5: was what.

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Speaker 1: So to be clear, Steven actually spoke to her for

1131
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Speaker 1: an ESPN like separate piece before we got there as

1132
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Speaker 1: a group, so that's when he asked her that. But basically,

1133
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: to give you a guest a little more concept, we did.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he mentioned it to us and we were

1135
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Speaker 1: able to ask her about some of my team finances

1136
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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But it sounds like she's open

1137
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: to the idea but doesn't want to go forward with

1138
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Speaker 1: that avenue just yet. But we did ask hey, by

1139
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: the way, are you all able to, you know, financially

1140
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: play ball with some of the big spenders so to

1141
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: speak in the NFL? Do you have enough cash on hand?

1142
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: You know, we always talk about cash versus cap, like

1143
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: do you have enough physical money to go out there

1144
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 1: and get the players you need to? And she said, yes,

1145
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Speaker 1: that's not gonna be something that holds us back. So

1146
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Speaker 1: for those out there asking, oh my gosh, the coach

1147
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: you know, cash poor, first of all, they would never

1148
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Speaker 1: tell us that. But secondly, it doesn't seem like that's

1149
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: even an issue. And I honestly, right now they have

1150
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: plenty of cap spaces who go and spend money on people,

1151
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Speaker 1: and they have plenty of money to do it. It's like,

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Speaker 1: who are you going to stand it on? At this point,

1153
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Speaker 1: I've had a draft.

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Speaker 2: Pick, James.

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Speaker 8: One of the non specific cult stories making the rounds

1156
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 8: of the end of L owners meetings is their discussion

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Speaker 8: of replacement refs coming back to the NFL. Is there

1158
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 8: in dispute with the regular officials? Is that the biggest

1159
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 8: non cults specific storyline at the owner's meetings right now?

1160
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 8: Is there something else out there?

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Speaker 1: I would say that's a big one. And then the

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00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: other two that I was asking Carly about and all

1163
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: of us here at the Athletic I've been instructured to

1164
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: ask our owners and gms and coaches about, is like,

1165
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, adding an eighteenth game and also the Brown

1166
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: proposal to trade picks up until five years into the future.

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00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: So it seems like carl is open to both. She

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00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: basically said that she's on board with an eighteenth game,

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Speaker 1: granted they would have to change the schedule protect players' bodies.

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Speaker 1: She was mentioning a lot about how, you know, maybe

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00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: we have to you know, get rid of a preseason

1172
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: game and drop down to two. Do we change the

1173
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: offseason program to make sure guys are healthier? Do we

1174
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: look at inceed and rehab and recovery. Do we have

1175
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Speaker 1: to have, you know, more opportunities for guys to get healthy.

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Speaker 1: And then she also mentioned when it came to the

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00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: Browns thing was like, well, I don't see why we

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00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: should restrict teams from having more autonomy, more ability to

1179
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 1: you know, use whatever resources they have, because she was saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, essentially, the way I interpreted her, you know,

1181
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: breakdown of this Brown's proposal to trade picks further into

1182
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: the future was like, well, at some point the rubber

1183
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: has to meet the road, and the good teams will

1184
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: do a good job and the bad teams won't. And

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Speaker 1: that's the reality of.

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Speaker 5: It, James, last one, and I guess those kind of

1187
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 5: shift gears here, But you brought it up earlier. Sports

1188
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 5: are cruel and the movie element is not always one

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00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 5: with this great happy ending to it all. How do

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00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 5: you think Purdue fans are feeling on this Monday morning?

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00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: Oh man, I think they're feeling a little rough. That

1192
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: second half you start to see just the physicality and honestly,

1193
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: Arizona has probably had a couple of NBA players, and

1194
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: that to me was probably the biggest difference is athletically

1195
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: and physically and just seeing that there is another level

1196
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: that that team could get to that or could not

1197
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Speaker 1: get to in my opinion. But at the same time,

1198
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Speaker 1: I think you really have to be very proud. So

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Speaker 1: maybe you're you're disappointed, but you can't, in my opinion,

1200
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: to hang your head too much because that team, I

1201
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: thought did it about as well as they could have

1202
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: given the rosters that they had, the things they went

1203
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: through earlier in the season, and they did play some

1204
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: of their best basketball there at the end. So I

1205
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: think you took your cap to Brayden Smith and Fletcher

1206
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: Lawyer and Trey Kaufman and Ren and you told guys,

1207
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: thank you for four years of great basketball. And I

1208
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: get it, you didn't win a national championship. People are

1209
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: going to, you know, be I think a little bit

1210
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: disoninginuous sometimes if you're a hat and I you fan

1211
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: or somebody else. But they had a great run, and

1212
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Speaker 1: I think you should be proud of what you saw

1213
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: because getting to the lead eight, you know, is it easy.

1214
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Speaker 1: And we talked about it last week. Kevin I mean

1215
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: to a degree, you're a victim of your own success

1216
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: because no one expected you to be anything until you

1217
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 1: started winning a bunch of games four years ago.

1218
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Speaker 5: What'd you make of that? For a state final game there,

1219
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 5: Crown Point ten point lead, a little bit of holding

1220
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 5: the ball, Mount Vernon making the comeback there to win

1221
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 5: the for a state title.

1222
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Yeah, I know, people say, hey, you

1223
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: should have the shot Cloud, this shouldn't be a thing.

1224
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: But I thought that Mount Vernon did a pretty good

1225
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: job of not sitting back too long. They're like, they

1226
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: didn't let Crown Point hold it for like three minutes.

1227
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: But I thought that holding the ball to Crowd Point

1228
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: out of their rhythm quite honestly, in the way. One

1229
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: of our listeners, actually one of the guys that faults

1230
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 1: me on Twitter, he mentioned, Hey, I thought that Mount

1231
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: Vernon they got their dude the ball and they made

1232
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: sure he had plenty opportunities to go win the game,

1233
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: Whereas with Crown Point, they squeezed the ball and the

1234
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: kem Bay saw who the Mount Vernon team could not

1235
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: stop at all. I mean, he didn't have enough opportunities

1236
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 1: to go win it. I felt like, so they played

1237
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: timid and they bit the bullet forward and then I mean,

1238
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: how fitting is it for Luke Irdle that win, you know,

1239
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 1: state championship and go over and Davi with Tyree Halliburn

1240
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: right after, And I was thinking, boy, that that's got

1241
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: to be one of the coolest feelings in the world,

1242
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: when you know you put on a show and from

1243
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: front of a guy who usually does the same thing

1244
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: on that court.

1245
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 8: Last last one, we saw you wear a suit to

1246
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 8: the Berlin game, you know back earlier last season. Are

1247
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 8: you rocking a suit come final four time? In like

1248
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 8: a champagne colored a Lini outfit?

1249
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: And I yeah, there you go, there you go. We'll see.

1250
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,959
Speaker 1: I keep giving people asking me like, hey, are you going?

1251
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: You got to be going right, And I'm like, what

1252
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: kind of budget do you think I lived my life by? No,

1253
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: I have not much of this game. I can not

1254
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: afford it. So we'll be sliding the dms of my school,

1255
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: which does follow me on social media and seeing, hey,

1256
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: by the way, I've been a good shepherd of the school,

1257
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: good steward and all that stuff. Yeah about those student

1258
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: loans don't get paid back eventually, but you know, slide

1259
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: me some tickets, So we'll see if anybody's generous over

1260
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: there in.

1261
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 8: Champagne can blackmail him with the candy striped pantsy. I

1262
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 8: had to rock with the IU game.

1263
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 5: Want tickets?

1264
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 8: Are you sure about that?

1265
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: We've come a long way.

1266
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 5: He is clinging glasses this morning of breakfast out there

1267
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 5: at the Biltmore in Phoenix. He is James Boyd his

1268
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 5: latest on The Athletic about his conversation with Carli ers

1269
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 5: Gordon yesterday. Chris Bauer coming up later today. James at

1270
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 5: all seriousness, Thanks man for waking up and joining us anytime.

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Speaker 1: Dad, you'll have a good one.