1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: There is new polling out on Donald Trump, and it 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: is not great just about anywhere. Let's get into it. 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: It's Kennell and Casey Show. I'm Rob. Casey's out today. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Jerry Lopez Indie Spanglish on Twitter in for Casey. Kevin 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: is here. So the economist, you gov somewhat respected polling institution. 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they have a lean one way 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: or another, but you see them all the time, and 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: they're not some guy in his basement conducting the poll. 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: Though they may hire some guy in the basement to 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: make a phone call. But anyway, it's what we have 11 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: to work with. They have some new polling out. It's 12 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: a pretty detailed set of data on Trump, and obviously 13 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: the big one is that only forty two percent of 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: Americans strongly or somewhat approve of how Trump is handling 15 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 1: his job as president, while fifty four percent disapprove, a 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: net minus of twelve. Compare that if you want to 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: do at apples to apples comparison, same time first term, 18 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: minus fifteen. So it's still negative, but just not as 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: negative as he was the last time. Look, I get 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: that polling doesn't vote, and the only poll that that 21 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: matters is on election day and he's the president. But 22 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: I think he stepped into a lot of things the 23 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: past few months, Jerry. I think the big bullcrap Bill. 24 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: I think the Epstein stuff, which we'll get to in 25 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: a second, which is hurting him with the American public. 26 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: So, as a two time Trump voter, and they if 27 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: there was an election, I'd vote for him again two times? 28 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: Would you skip one? Three times? Starry? Well, one time 29 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: they didn't count my vote allegedly, So what do you. 30 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: Mean they didn't count your right? 31 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: I don't care what the polling says. He's not running again. 32 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: Let's get it all done now, just don't screw it 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: up before JD or DeSantis, whoever is next takes over. Well, 34 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: the problem he's got is I was worried about the 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: Elon America Party, and the Epstein thing is a big 36 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: problem for Mago. Right, it's split. You got the Bennie 37 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: Johnson's and the tim Poles and the mouthpieces for the 38 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: GOP are not letting the Epstein thing go. 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: But let's let's just start with the big bullcrap Bill though, 40 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: because they did a horrible job, and this is what 41 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: happens when there's so much stuff. You can't do it 42 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: because there's too much stuff, and there's too much for 43 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: the media to pick apart, and you lose the message. 44 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: The average person doesn't understand how it's gonna help them 45 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: at all, And I feel like I'm a much more 46 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: attentioned to this to the average person. I don't see how. Hey, yeah, 47 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: if you work in an industry that's paid on tips, 48 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: you get out of this. But I'm paying for that. 49 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: It's deficit. It's deficit and debt related. It's not like 50 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: they cut the government to pay for it, So I'm 51 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: gonna pay for it through inflation. Future generations are gonna 52 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: pay for it because daft deficits are future taxes. 53 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess. 54 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 1: A certain center of the population is gonna get out 55 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: good out of certain things. 56 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: People that work over time. But it's but somebody else 57 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: is paying for it. Someone else is always is already working. 58 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: Adults we're not talking about like they're not contributed at all. 59 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: Let's start with those people that I'm paying for that 60 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: are working, able bodied, sure people, right, let's start there. 61 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 2: Let's start with the illegals that I'm paying for. If 62 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: you're going out here working forty and we're not going 63 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 2: to tax your overtime. 64 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: I'm here for that. 65 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: If you're out here and you're my daughter and you're 66 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: you know, Bartendre or something, and you get tips, I'm 67 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 2: here for that. You're out there trying in America, I'll 68 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: help you if you want to help yourself. 69 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, but we know in this bill that illegal immigrants 70 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: will still get federally funded healthcare. 71 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: Heyllied the whole time about that. We know that sex. 72 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: Trade under surgeries for children still in there, right, And 73 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: I just I think they went for too much because 74 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 1: they recognized that this was gonna be their only chance 75 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: to get it, and the people kind of see through that, 76 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: and they don't. Then you allow, when there's so much 77 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: stuff in there, the media gets to pick and choose, Oh. 78 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: Why not line item those two things, just those two 79 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: let's start there. No transgender surgeries for children pass right? 80 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: Well? 81 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: Right, But the problem was, and we went through this 82 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: at the time, that they weren't willing to when you 83 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: and when you start from the premise of we must pass, 84 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: you're not willing to die on any hill because well, 85 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: there's so much stuff in there, and that's why they 86 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: did this, right, they weren't going to have the fight. 87 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: If you want border security, you got to get a 88 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: say exactly. 89 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: And what's fascinating to me, I saw our old pal 90 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: Bennie Banks, Jim Banks. Now we call Jim Binnie because 91 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: Benny was the character on the Mummy. If you remember, 92 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: Benny was the Mummy's assistant, and whatever the Mummy said, 93 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: no matter how ridiculous, Benny went and made it happen. 94 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: And that is Jim Banks to Donald Trump. No matter 95 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: what Trump says, his lips are firmly entrenched on both 96 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: the Trump's butt cheeks. And I do worry that Banks 97 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: apparently does, because he's still walking around with us, that 98 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: he comes up for air, because oftentimes I think his 99 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: nose is implanted right between both of those butt cheeks. 100 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: But apparently he's figured out how to make that work. 101 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: Anyway. He posted some big thing about this child savings 102 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: account that's all part of this, and it's this, I mean, 103 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 2: it's like multi paragraphs. 104 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: He's writing a Dickens novel about this, and I'm reading 105 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: it reading here and finally realized, So what you're saying 106 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: is you just extended the child tax credit by one 107 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to people who have kids between January one 108 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: of twenty five and in the end of twenty eight. Yeah, 109 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: you could have just said that, but that's not nearly 110 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: as bull crapper as sexy as what you posted. Oh 111 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: by the way, those kids got to wait eighteen years 112 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: to get it too, so you because if you just 113 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: said we extended the child tax credit to newborns, that 114 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 1: didn't get you headlines. But you can make this big 115 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: Trump savings account, which means nothing. It means absolutely nothing. 116 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: The child tax credit would have been better because they 117 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: get it right now. You're making people wait eighteen years 118 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: to get this thing, except the money to pay for 119 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: it goes out. 120 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: Some now take it out now. The debt's adding to 121 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 2: the debt, the deficit. 122 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: It's happening right now, except people got to wait eighteen 123 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: years to cash in on it. And when I just 124 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: thought that was the perfect example of what I'm talking 125 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: about here, where these politicians spin and they deceive and 126 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: they blow aviate, and it's like, at the end of 127 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: the day, I think one of the major reasons people 128 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: are unhappy with Trump is they do not like that. Well, 129 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: another reason you hit on it is Epstein and this 130 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: is fascinating. In this poll, they asked the question about 131 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: whether Donald Trump knew some or a lot about Jeffrey 132 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: Epstein's sex crimes. And this is what's interesting before investigations began. 133 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: That's what's interesting, not after the fact, not do is 134 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: he covering something up because it's masad or whatever? Did 135 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: he know before the investigations began? Among US adults, seventy 136 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: one percent say he knew a lot or some. That 137 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: is fascinating to me. And I don't know how you're 138 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: gonna undo that or come back from that. If seventy 139 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: one percent of the public think you knew a lot 140 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: or some about Jeffrey Epstein's sex crimes before the investigation. 141 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: I mean, in two thousand and six there was a 142 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: Florida grand jury that was investigating Epstein for trafficking and 143 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: things like that. So that was twenty years ago. If 144 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: you even hung out with Epstein after that, what are 145 00:06:59,480 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: you doing? 146 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 3: Yeah? 147 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: I don't that is I mean, that's that's a really 148 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: But it goes. 149 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: Back to like remember Day one with Cashpitel and Bongino 150 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: and Pam Bondi and day one Epstein and the files 151 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: are on my desk and the influencer a little folders 152 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: that gave everybody and now all of a sudden, there's nothing. 153 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: You are ruined. Either you knew there was nothing to 154 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: begin with and you took advantage of everybody, or you're 155 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: covering for someone. 156 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: Trump's net approval of handling the Epstein investigation is now 157 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:26,679 Speaker 1: minus thirty nine. 158 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and I'm in that category. 159 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: I mean among Republicans all you can only get plus 160 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: fourteen among Republicans. He's he's totally underwater with the with 161 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: the independence, he's what thirty nine now is a collective 162 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: and eight eighty two with Democrats, you'd take that out, 163 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: and plus fourteen with the I mean it's but the 164 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: he is so bungled, bungled this investigation, the release of 165 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: information and and and and people, it comes off like 166 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: you're hiding something. And when people think you're hiding something, 167 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: especially something of this magnitude, we think you're involved. 168 00:07:59,440 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 169 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: So he's got a major problem with that because I 170 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: don't know how he's going to get out of that now. 171 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: And until he can figure that out, I don't think 172 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: he's going to be able to fix that approval rating. 173 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: All right, So Scott Bessen is the Treasury Secretary, and 174 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: he was on who was this yesterday? 175 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: Was this? 176 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: Fox News? It was one of them MSNBC, doesn't matter anyway. 177 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: He was on one of these shows and he was 178 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: talking about how he is going to push to ban 179 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: single stock trading in Congress. Take a listen to this. 180 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 4: I am going to start pushing for it's single stock 181 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 4: trading ban because it is the credibility of the House 182 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 4: and the Senate that you look at some of these 183 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 4: eye popping returns, whether it's Representative Pelosi, Senator Widen, every 184 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 4: hedge fund would be jealous of him. And the American 185 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 4: people deserve better than this. People don't shouldn't come to 186 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 4: Washington to get rich. They should come to serve the 187 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 4: American people. And it brings down trust in the system 188 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 4: because I can tell you that if any private citizen 189 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 4: traded this way, the sec would be knocking on their door. 190 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: And they went after the game stop guys. Yeah, remember 191 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: that just a bunch of buffoons on Reddit that you 192 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: know went after one. They went after those guys big time. 193 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: There's a reason people want these congressional jobs so bad. 194 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: It makes no sense that people would be this invested 195 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: in a job that pays whatever pays one hundred and 196 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: seventy four. 197 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,599 Speaker 2: Jefferson Strive makes less money. 198 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: Yes, you're right, but what came out about him? What 199 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: was he doing? 200 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: Supposedly was on some committee that knew about trains and 201 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 2: allegedly invested in some trains and hit some big returns. 202 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: And so this is how you see all of these 203 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: people who go in regular people and they come out 204 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: millionaires making one hundred seventy four thousand dollars a year 205 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: because they do that. If you or I did what 206 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: they do, we would go to federal prison. Now is 207 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: it not illegal? 208 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: Because they write the laws, they exempt themselves, They exempt 209 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 2: themselves from everything, and then they turn around, don't do 210 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: term limits because why would I ever want to get 211 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: off the ship? 212 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: Sure, the answer is just that simple. They literally exempt 213 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: themselves from the rules that everybody else has to play 214 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: aka COVID vaccine. 215 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: We're exempted. 216 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: Well, but let's extract bring it back here. Remember during 217 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: COVID the twenty twenty ORG Day took place. What was 218 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: the first thing the Indiana General Assembly did? They exempted 219 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: themselves from the mask mandate the first day they came 220 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: back ORG Day, Boom, We exempt ourselves in the mask date. 221 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: Not you, not me. 222 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: They exempted themselves in the mask mandate. These people do 223 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: this at all levels of government on a variety of 224 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: different ways, where they treat themselves special, they carve out 225 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: special rules. And in the case of the Congress, there's 226 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: so much money to be made because they have all 227 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: the insider information to be able to make all the money. 228 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: All right, Jerry Lopez, and for Casey today when we 229 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: come back, two pieces of audio. Jd Vance has some 230 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: great parenting advice for me and Chris Chromo keV you'll 231 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: want to pay attention to this. He predicts Rogan might 232 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: be in trouble. It's Kenell and Casey Show ninety three WIBC. 233 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: Jdie Vance has some parenting advice. Lopez, you got you 234 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: spend the gauntlet on kids? 235 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got them of all ages. Yeah, what's your girl? 236 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: What's your arc? Uh? So, my oldest is twenty three, 237 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 2: my youngest is will be five, and August will be five. 238 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: Okay, so this is a jd Vance also has multiple kids, 239 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: one of them I believe is three years old now 240 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 1: and I have a two year old. And so he 241 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: was doing an interview with someone and he was asked 242 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: about parenting and about dealing with his kids and when 243 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: his kids misbehave in public versus how his his wife 244 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: handles it versus how he handles it. Take a listen 245 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: to this. 246 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 3: So how do you handle a toddler tantrum in a 247 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: public places? 248 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 5: And I handle it very differently. So it's crazy. In airports, 249 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 5: people wuld always come up to her, Like we had 250 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 5: this woman come up to her a couple of years 251 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 5: ago and say, I'm like a child therapist and the 252 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 5: way that you interact with your son is so amazing 253 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 5: and like praising her, and I'm like, it is amazing. 254 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 5: She's super patient, She'll try to reason with them. If 255 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 5: they have a tantrum in a public place, I immediately grab them, 256 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 5: take through the bathroom and say you got to cut 257 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 5: it out. Like I'm the parent who's like, no, no, no, 258 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 5: this is not Okay's she's the gentle parent and okay. 259 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: So you've had four toddlers, right, you've been through this. 260 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: There's nothing more. Nothing freezes you in fear faster than 261 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: when your kid decides to misbehave in a public place, 262 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: because you got to move. You instantly have to move 263 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: into response mode, and how am I going to deal 264 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: with this? And they're big enough to know they can 265 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: do damage, and they're also like, my kid is super smart. 266 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: She knows there's a limit to which she can be 267 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: punished and it's a risk versus reward thing. And what 268 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: sort of parent have were you with your toddler kids 269 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: when they would misbehave in public? 270 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 2: I think at least initially I was. I was you know, 271 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: I was a young dad, I was in the service. 272 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: I was very black or white. I was probably more 273 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: of the JD. Vance type. But since I have so 274 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: many now it's like the younger ones, the older ones 275 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: will look at the younger ones like a Dad's not 276 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: going to go for that, so they kind of parent themselves. 277 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: And now we go places and kids act up and 278 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 2: they look at me like, oh, dad, you would kill 279 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: us if we Yeah. I'm not the kindler, gentler parent. 280 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 2: I'm the one that looks at you like you better 281 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 2: stop right now. 282 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is weird because you're such a nice guy. 283 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's because I yell at my kids. 284 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's parenting is wild because you never you never won, 285 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: You never appreciate it until you've been through it. You 286 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: never appreciate the thing that I have found in it. 287 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: It's like, well, duh, every time I go through this, 288 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: but things your kid has to learn that in your 289 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: mind you just always knew how to do, but then 290 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: you realize, no, you had to learn how to do it, 291 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: and your parents went through that with you. All of 292 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: these things that you just take for granted because by 293 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: the time your memory works, you just kind of know 294 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: how to do them, like things like eating, like potty training, Like. 295 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: How much food can you put in your mind? Don't 296 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: every day? It's something like when you. 297 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: Go we go to the I called the baby playground 298 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,599 Speaker 1: over by the elementary school, and I just have to 299 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: be cognizant of like rocks, little rocks that are on 300 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: the ground. I have to look around for those, and 301 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: I have to get those up because you will take 302 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: them and put them in your mouth, and then once 303 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: it's in their mouth, it's funny game to them. But 304 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, not fun You're really stressing me out. 305 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: Get that rock out of your mouth. Uh, just little 306 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: things you never processed. 307 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: So those so I think once you know, my son 308 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: played baseball, right, and once he got to an age 309 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: and I started to go man, I can't believe my 310 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: mom used to take me to games Saturday at eight 311 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: in the morning after working all week. Yeah, but it 312 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: took me having to do that and go, man, this 313 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: is just kind of sucks. 314 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: Dude. 315 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: We're here for you. But you look back and you 316 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: appreciate it. 317 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, things you don't you don't know until you absolutely 318 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: go through yourself, all right, Uh Joe So Chris Cuomo, 319 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: h yeah, but he was he was Andrew he was 320 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: he is Andrew Cuomo brother, and he was the guy 321 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: that was on CNN and didn't he go down on 322 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: CNN because they were basically like in cahoots together on 323 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of. 324 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: Stuff COVID interviews, Yeah, shirtless photos and some improprieties in 325 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: the governor's office supposedly. 326 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: What is he a news nation now? Is that where 327 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: he's I think he has his own podcast as well? Okay, yeah, 328 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: so he I think that's what this is. He was 329 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: on a podcast and he was talking about Joe Rogan 330 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: and he was talking about how the power of Rogan 331 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: or Rogan's power influence maybe on the Wayne because so 332 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: many people are entering the podcast world, I thought this 333 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: was interesting. Take a listen. 334 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 6: My big prediction is that Rogan's success is admirable. I 335 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 6: do not believe he'll be where he was three months 336 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 6: ago a year from today. There are too many talented 337 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 6: people entering that space now who won his real estate, 338 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 6: and they're going to be better at what he does 339 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 6: than he is. 340 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: So I think that, Yeah, but you know what, I 341 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: got to. 342 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: Be honest, going to see a Tristion's That's not the 343 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 2: first time someone said that about Joe. He does surpass expectations, 344 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: like people wrote his obituary. 345 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: Many many times, and it's just never come true. 346 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 6: Oh listen, I don't necessarily want it to come true 347 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 6: because I don't. I don't find him offensive or anything. 348 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 6: I see him as innocuous. But he's getting criticism. He 349 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 6: never got criticism before. The media is taking him seriously 350 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 6: now and that's not gonna go well for him. 351 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: That's Tim Dillon. That the other person he's talking to 352 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: Tim Dill podcast. Ye yeah, okay voice, So he that's ridiculous. 353 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: The media didn't make Rogan, they can't break Rogan, and 354 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: so I don't. I don't agree with that in any shape, 355 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: form or fashion. 356 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: Look, there are a lot of people that areering the. 357 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 2: Podcast and they're gonna be better because of Joe Rogan though, Yeah, 358 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: he's like Coke, He's like Michael Jordan. And then Kobe 359 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: took moves from Jordan and Lebron took mood. It's out 360 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: supposed to go. 361 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: You're not gonna stop listening to one guy just because 362 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: another guy enters the realm, right, Like, it just gives 363 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: you someone else to listen. 364 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: He has so many guests, you're gonna listen for the 365 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 2: guests as well. 366 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's such a he's such a built in brand. 367 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: And it's like, like what we do here. People pray 368 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: for my demise and doom every single day. But and 369 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: people said, well, fewer people listening to radio, but not here, 370 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: not this radio station, not across the board. Why because 371 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: we give people something that can't get anywhere else. We 372 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: give them a compelling reason to listen every single day. Now, look, 373 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: every versush's never entered radio other than basically Rush Limbaugh. 374 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: There there is a there is an expired date where 375 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: you are told your services are no longer needed. But 376 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: local radio like this continues to thrive even though as 377 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: the industry itself has been hurt. And I think the 378 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: same thing with the guy like Joe Rogan. It really 379 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: doesn't matter who enters as long as he keeps putting 380 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: out compelling content. And it doesn't matter if the media 381 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: hates him because most of the people like keV. You're 382 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: a Rogan listener. Do you wake up every day going 383 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: she I wonder what the. 384 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 2: Media said about Rogan. 385 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 7: I'll be honest, I can't remember the last time I 386 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 7: listened to Rogan. Really, no, no, I used to like him. 387 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: I got kind of tired of it, though. 388 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: What did you get tired of? 389 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: This is fascinating? 390 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 7: So I feel like he's kind of rested on his 391 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 7: laurels and he stopped trying to improve all this is 392 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 7: so interesting. 393 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: So you you were a like a diehard Rogan guy. 394 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: Always to listen to a lot. 395 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 7: He used to have really informative guests and he would 396 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 7: let them, you know, he'd have experts and just let 397 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 7: them talk. Now I feel like he just gets off 398 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 7: track when he's interviewing people. And he also does this 399 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 7: thing where he just like has his buddies on and 400 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 7: they just black out. 401 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: So those are the best ones. 402 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 7: Well, those ones are fun sometimes, But I don't know, 403 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 7: I just I kind of missed the old. 404 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: So as a Rogan listener, I'm looking at this as 405 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: an outsider. We just played the clips stuff. I don't 406 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: listen to a podcast. Is their merit to what Cuomo's saying. 407 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: Do you think that somebody that they that he will 408 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: be he will be on the decline over the next year. 409 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like he kind of peaked, and I 410 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 7: don't know, maybe it was like twenty eighteen or twenty 411 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 7: nineteen around that time. I feel like he's kind of on. 412 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: The So who has replaced Rogan for you? 413 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 7: I listened to There's there's a few podcasts. I mean, 414 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 7: there's one All the Modern Wisdom that seems perfect for you, 415 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 7: Kevin Okay, I'm a wise man. 416 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: That's super interesting how we as just outsiders, casual people 417 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: look at it. 418 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: I go for the guests, so like Joey Diaz would 419 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: be one of those guys, just a comedian. They just 420 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: go on there and roast each other. I think those 421 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: are the best ones. But when he has Alon or 422 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 2: some guy that's talking about ancient aliens or civilizations or 423 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 2: stuff like that, I'll watch those, but I don't go 424 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: every to watch everyone. 425 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: Well, let me be very specific to our audience. 426 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: I will never, and I mean ever, lose the fire 427 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 2: and hatred that I have for the people down the 428 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: street from us. 429 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: Let's go to break. It's the Kettle and Casey Show. Hey, 430 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: real quick when we come back. It is the fiftieth 431 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: anniversary of one of the great rock albums of all time, 432 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: an album that has spanned the times, and the author 433 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: of a new book about that will join us next. 434 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: Kennel and Casey Show, Diety three WIBC. It's the fiftieth 435 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: anniversary of one of the greatest rock albums of all time, 436 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: the albums that change my life. Casey's not here, someone 437 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: to take full advantage of it. And there's a new 438 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: book out from a fabulously acclaimed author about the whole thing. 439 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: It's Kenna a Casey Show. I'm Rob Casey's here. Let's 440 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: go to the WIBC hotline. We are joined by acclaimed 441 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: author Peter Ames Carlin. He has a new book out 442 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: tonight in jungle Land, the Making of Born to Run. Peter, Hello, 443 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: oh so tell us about this book. August twenty fifth 444 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: is the fiftieth anniversary of the album Born to Run. 445 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: It was the breakthrough album for Bruce Springsteen. It would 446 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: be the album that was sort of define his career 447 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: and millions of fans for generations tell us about the 448 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: book Tonight in Jungle Land the making. 449 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 3: Of Born to Run, Well, I think at this point, 450 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 3: you know, after so many years, it's hard to remember 451 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: that there was a time when Bruce Springsteen a, you know, 452 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 3: wasn't really famous, and b there wasn't really a sense 453 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 3: that he was ever going to break through and really 454 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 3: be able to communicate with with a big audience. So 455 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 3: after his first two records came out and We're critically 456 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: acclaimed and sold to a kind of a hardcore of 457 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 3: serious stands, Columbia Records, his record label, said, listen, I'm 458 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 3: not making any money here, and if you don't start 459 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 3: recording music that sounds like it could theoretically get played 460 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 3: on the radio, we're just going to let you go, 461 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 3: you know, like we can't afford to do this anymore. 462 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: So they gave him just enough money to record one song, 463 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: which became Born to Run, the title track to the album, 464 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 3: but with that charge of like, if this sounds like 465 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 3: it could get on the radio, we'll give you enough 466 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 3: money to make the rest of your album. But for 467 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 3: now we're just gonna take it one step at a time. 468 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 3: And so essentially what Bruce figured out how to do 469 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 3: was to distill the ideas and feelings that he'd been 470 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 3: having into songs that became, you know, the model of 471 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 3: what we know now of was, you know, these explosive 472 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 3: rock and roll songs. We think of his Bruce Springsteen songs. 473 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: Peter Ames Carlin as our guest. His new book is 474 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: out tonight in jungle Land, The Making of Born to 475 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: Run August twenty fifth to fiftieth anniversary. I think about 476 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: hearing that album for the first time in my late teens, 477 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: and to me, it was like, this is how adulthood 478 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: ought to be. And I know it's not how adulthood 479 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: ended up. But those characters, Peter, they really were people 480 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: looking forward. They were young people, it was optimistic, and 481 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: they sort of became the characters that he would followed 482 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: the rest of his career that made him so popular 483 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 1: with the fans. 484 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and they were avatars for people that 485 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 3: he had grown up with. You know, I mean, Bruce 486 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 3: came from a very you know, a working class, sort 487 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 3: of blue collar town in central New Jersey, so you know, 488 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: he grew up among people that were just you know, 489 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 3: as he put it, not the people who changed the world, 490 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 3: but the people who keep it, people plant spinning from 491 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: day to day, and so how did they you know, 492 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: what kind of life was there for you if you 493 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 3: were a young kid in the mid nineteen seventies, What 494 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 3: did the world feel like? You know what we're what 495 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 3: was going on around you in America and in the 496 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 3: town you were growing up and real. 497 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: Quick, Peter talk about being in Bruce's orbit. You've been 498 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: in it before. What is it like to be around 499 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: him and the band? 500 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: And you had a previous book author of the book 501 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 2: Bruce talk about what it's like to be just rock 502 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 2: stars in general and get information from those people. 503 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I mean, they're interesting people, and they're 504 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 3: often very you know, they're they're intense. I mean, Bruce 505 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 3: is a very intense guy and very focused and but 506 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: also very charismatic and fun. And you know, he's he's 507 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 3: he's an interesting guy, let's put it that way, and 508 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 3: very very focused on his music and on the challenge 509 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 3: of you know, what it took to make all these 510 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 3: records that we take for granted as like sign posts 511 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 3: on the road, you know, of our own lives over 512 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 3: the last you know, three four, five decades or so, 513 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: and Bruce is very very focused on his work. He's 514 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 3: very focused on how it affects people, and it's very 515 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: important to him to feel like he is, you know, 516 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 3: distilling something of ordinary life into his music. 517 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: Hey, before we let you go, there's so much that's 518 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: written about these things, whether it's the Rolling Stones or 519 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: the Beatles, or Jimi Hendrix or in this case, Bruce Springsteen. 520 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: What new did you learn in this book? I mean, 521 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: I get this an iconic album, but what would people 522 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: learn about someone of the magnitude of Bruce Springsteen in 523 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: a book like this that they say, Hey, I should 524 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: go out and get this book. 525 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 3: I think it's essentially you learn, like what it takes 526 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 3: to become a legendary, you know, cultural figure like Bruce. 527 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 3: It's like, it's not easy, right, it's not and it's 528 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 3: not all glamorous. It's not all you know, uh, spotlights 529 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 3: and standing ovations. It's hours and hours and hours spend 530 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 3: trying to learn how to play a guitar, and then 531 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 3: hours spent trying to learn how to play in a band, 532 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 3: and then hours and even more hours of being on 533 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 3: the road going from show to show and figuring out 534 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: what it takes to break through and get people's attention. 535 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 3: It's a lot of hard work. It's a lot of 536 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 3: repetitive labor, and it just you know, goes on and 537 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 3: on and on, and you never know where you're going 538 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 3: to end up. For Bruce, what mattered to him and 539 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 3: to the people on his in his songs is daring, 540 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 3: you know, having the guts to hit the road and 541 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 3: give it a try. 542 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: The book Tonight in Jungle in the Making of Born, 543 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: run Peter where and people get the book. 544 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 3: It's available everywhere books are sold, and you can always 545 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: look for There'll be links of plenty on my own website, 546 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: which is Peter Amescarlin dot com. 547 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: Very good. 548 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: We're planning a big party August the twenty fifth. We've 549 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: got Kevin ready to go. Peter, thanks for filling us 550 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: in a little bit about this incredible album, in this great. 551 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 2: Book, My pleasure. 552 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 3: Thank you. 553 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: It's Kenell and Casey Show ninety three WIBC. So the 554 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: president of IU is accused of plagiarism and Brawn's telling 555 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: the IU trustees to get on it. This is a 556 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: pretty wild story. It's Kennel and Casey Show. I'm Rob 557 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: Casey's out today. Jerry Lopez is in for Casey. keV 558 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: is here. So The Star is a big expos on 559 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: this today, and it really stems from this reporting that 560 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: took place in the Bloomington Herald Times that reported eighty 561 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: five consecutive words in a nineteen ninety six doctoral dissertation 562 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: that was written by IU's president Pam Witten accord to Star, 563 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: appeared to be copied from another academic article. Now, she 564 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: had previously been accused of plagiarism. The investigation on that 565 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: said it found they couldn't find proof of wrongdoing. But 566 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: this is now multiple times that this woman has been 567 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: accused of plagiarism, and eighty five words seems. 568 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: Like a lot. That is a lot of words. But 569 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 2: what year was that? 570 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: This was nineteen ninety six. 571 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: We can't want to fire her for anything more recent, 572 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 2: Like we're gonna go back to ninety six and find 573 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: like who I don't want to be the person who 574 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 2: says who cares? Because plagiarism is theft, right, But in 575 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: the days of jet GBT, who is it just writing 576 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 2: whatever they want? You're not going to catch these people anymore? Well, 577 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: you know. 578 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: It's interesting because when I first got in this business, 579 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: someone I really admire told me. They said, plagiarism is 580 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: the greatest form of flattery. And any person who's good 581 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: in this business, you will find little bits and pieces 582 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: of them in your stuff, agree. 583 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: Right, you will. You will find I've pulled stuff from 584 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: all of you guys, and kind of like, try to 585 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 2: make it my own. 586 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: You do, And that's what That's what every person does. 587 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: Every person has three or four people that when you 588 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: hear them, you're basically hearing the best of It's natural, 589 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: right you grew up listening to or let's do as adult. 590 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: It forms your worldview whatever. But there's a difference between 591 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: that and just straight up stealing people's Like if someone's 592 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: writing style inspired you, or someone's train of thought inspired you, 593 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: that's one thing. But if I just do your whole 594 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: segment and you give your ideas as my own, that's right. 595 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: Eighty five words is a lot. That's not like you 596 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 2: stole two great sentences. 597 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder how long how many lines that would 598 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: be on a on a word document, how many like two, three, four? 599 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't know how many exactly 600 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: words that is. But so now Braun, the governor, Mike Braun, 601 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: has ordered the I you trustees that they'll conduct some 602 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: sort of investigation and he said they will respond quote 603 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: right away, allegations of plagiarism are proven to be correct. 604 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 2: There, Look, I use a mess. 605 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,719 Speaker 1: And then it doesn't matter because now they took all 606 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: the they let Braun appoint all the trustees now and 607 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: they took all that away from the from the ability 608 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: of alumni to vote, et cetera. 609 00:28:59,480 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. 610 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: There's just that whole university structure is a complete mess, 611 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: especially compared to the praise and relative stability associated with Purdue. 612 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 613 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what's amazing, right, Purdue under Mitch Danols 614 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: and now this guy who took over from him appear 615 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: to be just sort of trudging along being a fine 616 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: academic institution. Tuition freezes very little drama. I mean, not 617 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: to say they don't have any drama, but what Purdue. 618 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Purdue has probably one of the best basketball stadiums 619 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 2: in the country because they don't have many banners that 620 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: obstruct your view, you know what I mean, So like 621 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 2: you can go to the game, you don't have to 622 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: worry about championship banners being in your way. But you 623 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 2: don't think the governor of Indiana has more pressing things 624 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: to worry about than the trustee plagiarizing something in ninety six. 625 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: Apparently not, because he's he is waiting right into all 626 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: things IU based on the fact that he took full control. 627 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: He cares more about this than property tax, He sure does. 628 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: That's a fact. What a great PA's more than property tax. 629 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: He cares about this nineteen ninety six eighty five words 630 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: he does. 631 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 1: That is such a great point. And and you can and 632 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: you can extrapolate that out too. He cares more about 633 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: redistricting to gerrymander the first congressional district for the Republicans 634 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: than he does the than he does property tax reform. 635 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: That's such a great point. I'm gonna steal that, but 636 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: I'll give you credit. 637 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,239 Speaker 2: You don't have to. I'll just say you plagiarize. It's 638 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: not it's not flagerism. 639 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: You ever, uh you ever cut any corners on a 640 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: paper like in high schoolers? 641 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: Oh yes, you did play it. I mean I think 642 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: I wouldn't. Are you ready to own it right now? 643 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 2: I mean I wouldn't say I quote unk well, yeah, 644 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 2: I guess I would say I plagiarized, but it wasn't 645 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: like I stole eighty five words. Yeah, that's a lot. 646 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: What's the most plagiarism you ever did? What's the most plagiarism? 647 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: Maybe like maybe like two really good senses I found somewhere. 648 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but you were able to sneak it in 649 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: that they didn't know. 650 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 651 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wrote the whole paper, but I found two 652 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: sentences ors something that really drove a point home, and 653 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: I just took them. And this was like on some 654 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 2: high and then you find out later if I just 655 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: give you credit the end, we're good. Yeah. Well, I 656 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 2: mean and this is high school, right, or yeah, this 657 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 2: is not. 658 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: Some academic no doctoral meditation right where you're old enough. 659 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: To know better. 660 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: No, yeah, I mean, like, would I be a bad 661 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: guy if there was. I had a really smart friend 662 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: in high school, and I just like he could do 663 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: my math homework in three minutes and all you you know, 664 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: it's like I'm gonna fail the test. Anyway. 665 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: That's called copying is different, right, If you know that 666 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 2: I'm looking at it, that's copying. 667 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm no, I mean I didn't even copy, like 668 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: I literally was like at lunch if I did this, 669 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, can you do a few of 670 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: these problems for me? I mean, I'm gonna fail this 671 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: test regardless, but if I do do good up on 672 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: a homework the fifty I get on the test, which 673 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get regardless. 674 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 2: You are a Brownsburg mathlete and you had to pass 675 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: the English sess so you could be on the team still, 676 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 2: so you had somebody doing your homework for you. Oh 677 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: you on the boat? No, the tennis thing. I saw 678 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 2: your little post golf. No, No, look who's the other 679 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 2: guy that's on there? Because I thought he carried the 680 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: buddy Ernie. So Ernie carried the team. 681 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: So some of you may have seen I apparently at 682 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: the Quail Creek golf course out in Pittsburgh. There is 683 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: still a plaque. 684 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 2: In high school. 685 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: I was, look, I'm not you know, I never bragging myself, right, 686 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm like the last person that ever points out talents. 687 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 3: That I have. 688 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: Or you're rolling your eyes. I just want to see 689 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: where this is going. 690 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: I used to be a fairly decent golfer when I 691 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: had time to play quite a bit, especially as a 692 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: teenager in my early early twenties, and I did take 693 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: home against grown grown ass men the Browns for Christian 694 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: Church Golf League Championship with. 695 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: Ernie as my partner. 696 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: And then there's a black in the pro shop still 697 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: with our names on it. Thank you for noticing. Yeah, 698 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. That did numbers. Yeah, three years 699 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: in a row. What kid in his teens is winning 700 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: against grown men? I mean it's tiger esque, right. 701 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 702 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's it worthy of a Green. 703 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: Jagger shiny moment way early in life. 704 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: But I'm saying I was. You know, I'm sixteen, seventeen. 705 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: I want to go back and see it. Right, that's 706 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: pretty awesome. 707 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 2: Well it is. 708 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: Somebody noticed it and sent it to me, Like your 709 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: name's on there good corner of the Quail Creek Golf 710 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: Course pro shop. 711 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: There's my name. It lives on forever. Robbie. 712 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Robbie kid, think about that. I'm in high school. 713 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: Beaten dudes in high school, right, you know, like I'm 714 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: winning golf matches in high school. Right, it's uh anyway, 715 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: thanks for noticing. I really appreciate that, Jerry. That really 716 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: made my day. 717 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 7: Uh. 718 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: But uh, no, true story in high school I was 719 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: so bad at math that they had me placed in 720 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: the wrong math. 721 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 2: That's what your parents told you, that was too hot. Yeah, 722 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 2: I bet you were. I bet you were. All right, look, son, 723 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 2: you're so smart, they're gonna move you down to individual 724 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 2: classes and you're gonna ride this sort bus. 725 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: So, so the problem was that I was I should 726 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: have been in a math lowermedia remedial math, Rob called 727 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: remedial math. Rob thatways had me in the wrong math. 728 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: So the you had to pass three I don't even know, 729 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: it's probably four now. You couldn't do math back then. 730 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: You still can't do it now, bro. The the uh 731 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: so the last math I was gonna have to pass 732 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: was trigonometry. 733 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 2: Yikes, what do you what do you mean? 734 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: Well, I went to them and I said, there's no 735 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: like you want. Look, you guys want me out of 736 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: this high school p math. That's big boy math, That's 737 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So they this, and this is before 738 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: the idea of like the dual credit stuff that is 739 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: just commonplace now. That wouldn't think it was groundbreaking though, 740 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: So I said, look, you know, and I know, there's 741 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: no way I have the interest in passing trigonometry or 742 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. 743 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 2: You want me. 744 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: I was every bit of pain in the ass to 745 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 1: Brownsburg High School as I am to the Indiana State 746 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: House today, and I said, you guys want me out 747 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: of here. The teachers want me out of here. What 748 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: can we do to get me out of here? Because 749 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm not passing that trigonometry? So they're like, well, there's 750 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: this I think it was Math one thirty two. Yeah, 751 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: and it's a dual credit with IVY Tech, which was 752 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: some groundbreaking thing at the time. Do you think you 753 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: can slip your way through that? And I said, I'll 754 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: give it the best shot. So they never I was 755 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: the first kid to ever be able to graduate at 756 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: Brownsburg High School with that Math one thirty two. They 757 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: didn't even know it was legal at the time, but 758 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: they said, let's do it and dare somebody to call 759 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: us out on it. And so I was you I 760 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: was able to get that. Now I applot the road 761 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: children have graduated with the that is one of their 762 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: nberg Thanks. 763 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 2: What was your worst subject? It was math? Was it? 764 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? 765 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 2: Because you can't be as your way through math did. 766 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: The right answer is the right answer, and that's just 767 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 2: what it is. Kevin, what was your worst subject in school? 768 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 2: Mine was also math. Yeah. 769 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: See here's the thing with the math. They should because 770 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: in college I said the same thing. I said, look, 771 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: I am too high on the scale. I was in 772 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 1: bad classes I shouldn't have been in. There's no way 773 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: I'm passing at college math. What degrees do you offer 774 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 1: that you don't have to take a math? Yeah, that's fair. 775 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: And they said general studies, I tell you know, but 776 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: the general studies degree. 777 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 2: I was like, you just took basic math or your 778 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 2: IVY tech stuff that you already took. 779 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: Count They let me take logic. Logic was my math 780 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: really because it had to be a certain level of math, 781 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: and they counted logic as and I got a good 782 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: grade in the lodge. 783 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 2: You have to take trig. They want you to take 784 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 2: trig well, because it was algebra one, algebra Twometry four. Yeah, 785 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 2: and then like you could take a calculus or a 786 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 2: trig or statistics but none of that was required. 787 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: No, no, no, And here's and here's the problem, Like when 788 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: I got to college is my own lack of motivation 789 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: story of my life? Right, My own lack of motivation 790 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: was my greatest derailment because I probably could have. If 791 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: I could have passed a college math, I could have 792 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: gotten a business school and I would have been great, 793 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 1: Like I was great at the other business classes, but 794 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: the stats and whatever the math was was like, I'm 795 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: not motivated enough to train my brain to do that 796 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 1: for a whole semester. And now I look back on 797 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: how much more beneficial that degree would have been if 798 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: I just would have been disciplined enough. It wasn't a 799 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: lack of intelligence. It was a lack of motivation. Story 800 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: of a life. 801 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 2: So I'll tell you this much. My lack of motivation 802 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 2: had me running in the rain at six in the 803 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 2: morning for four weeks after Indiana State was like, you 804 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 2: ain't got to go home, but you got to get 805 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 2: the hell out of here. Did you flunk out of 806 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 2: Indiana State? Yeah, well you may call it flunking. I'd 807 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 2: call it failed academic probation. 808 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 3: All right. 809 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 2: I didn't they give you a warning. I didn't know 810 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 2: it was a warning. Rob My mom's from Cuba. I 811 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 2: was like, what the hell is this paper mean? What 812 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 2: did you think probation was? I didn't know. I'm getting 813 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 2: even pronounced what probation was. So they put you on 814 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 2: academic probation. Your grades got to go up or you 815 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:06,399 Speaker 2: got to go home. 816 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: It was like you had a bad semester. Yeah, and 817 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: then you have another semester to rectify the situation. And 818 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: then you did not did not take it seriously, did 819 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: not rectify the situation. You filled out of Indiana State. 820 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I did I feel if I didn't try. 821 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's a good point in your own mind. 822 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: You didn't fail. But then look at what you. 823 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,240 Speaker 2: Oh then yeah, and then I went to the service 824 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 2: and then boom, the rest is history. And look at it. 825 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 2: Remember we talked about failing upwards. Yeah, that's that's the point, right, And. 826 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: Look, I own businesses, so clearly I can do basic math, 827 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: pay bill all those. 828 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 2: You never know how life's gonna work out, man. 829 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 6: Yeah. 830 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: That I blame the public education system because they put 831 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: me in the wrong math in the junior high and 832 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: then it just screwed me over everywhere up and it. 833 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 2: Should have been like this. Math is an insecurity for you. 834 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 2: I can tell this is you're always such a like 835 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 2: a me me me, and this is where yeah, glimpse 836 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 2: that time. 837 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: I would be a gajillionaire if I could have taken 838 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: those business classes, because I would have known how to 839 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: make more money in business, but then the people wouldn't 840 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: get this every day. So really, perhaps to be the 841 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,399 Speaker 1: public education system. While they screwed me over, they did society. 842 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: They did humanity a favor because it allowed me to 843 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: end up here giving this gift to the people every 844 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: single day. 845 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 2: There it is right there. 846 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break when we come back. 847 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 2: What do we want to do? 848 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: Oh so the Trump Putin thing that is going down 849 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: tomorrow and there is a big article he has not 850 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: been invited as my wow about what they're actually trying 851 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: to accomplish in this meeting. And it is fascinating to 852 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: me because it's something going on somewhere else in the world, 853 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 1: and I don't know how great that's working out. 854 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 2: We'll talk about it coming up next. 855 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: Kennel and Casey show you ninety three WIVC.