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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you can't make that mistake though. You

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Speaker 3: are seeking out like minded people or what they're interested

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Speaker 3: in and trying to use social media as more of

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Speaker 3: a community builder for them because they're not getting it

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Speaker 3: in person they used to, so now they're trying to

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Speaker 1: So you're saying it is now for some people evolved

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Speaker 1: into I am not bad, I am not extreme. I

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Speaker 1: am justified because look at all these people who agree

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Speaker 1: with me, and you find solace or.

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Speaker 2: Affirmation in other people feel the same way, you feel

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Speaker 2: the same way.

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Speaker 1: That's very interesting and I actually think that's very astute

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Speaker 1: that you may be spot onto something which is we

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Speaker 1: have created, and especially in a post COVID world, because

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Speaker 1: COVID cut everybody off from each other, this lonely existence

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Speaker 1: that has been amplified and people of the younger generation

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Speaker 1: who was ingrained in a sense of normality not to

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Speaker 1: be having human in person contact. And as a part

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Speaker 1: of that, people are now in extreme corners of the

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Speaker 1: internet with extreme ideologies, finding comfort and groupthink and solace

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Speaker 1: and affirmation in their warped extremist views.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's very interesting