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Speaker 1: lead it right off with you, Okay, put yesterday's good afternoon,

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Speaker 1: jac carery sauce gardener. I'm well, thank you. Put yesterday's

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Speaker 1: sauce gardener trade for the Indianapolis Colts in current NBA terms.

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Speaker 1: Oh good one. I hadn't thought about that, so give

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Speaker 2: Perhaps, now that I've thought about it, I would say

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair, But I do think that Sauce Gardner

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Speaker 1: One of the Pacers trading for Paula ben Caro. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get it. I mean precedent resume, Ryan Day, I

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Speaker 1: Joey Galloway into that mix as well, Jake. But I'm

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Speaker 1: begin with this yesterday, the big news of Sauce Gardner

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they believed getting a true, a true, honest to

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Speaker 3: And so I think the biggest thing is this. It's

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Speaker 1: Yet the thing about Gardner, let's go back to this, okay,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, Joel, it depends on who you

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Speaker 3: Well, there's there's definitely a possibility. So the one thing

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Speaker 3: edge rusher, and in a vacuum I wrote this this

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Speaker 3: it's it's hard to predict that you're going to be

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Speaker 4: You'll feel like, you know what, I don't know if

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Speaker 3: Making that kind of impact. It's a volatile position, so

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Speaker 3: it is possible that you're getting a player who's not

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Speaker 3: Clearly the Colts were willing to take that chance.

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Speaker 1: In terms of Sauce Gardner and the position itself. And

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Speaker 3: They wanted somebody who is going to take the defense

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Speaker 3: Gardner is the type corner who can actually take this

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Speaker 1: This does show would you agree that they're all in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one thousand percent. One thousand percent because you traded

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Speaker 3: It shows that, you know, we can kind of stop

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Speaker 1: How much of Chris Ballard's new aggression is because he

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Speaker 3: That's a great question. That's a great question. I I've

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Speaker 1: Could it be that Carlie or Gordon is not necessarily

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Speaker 3: of them don't have.

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Speaker 1: Any of it right right, but we pay It's like

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Speaker 1: the yellow shirt, you pay attention, though you have to write.

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Speaker 1: So that said, do we know if Carle Maybe we'll

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Speaker 1: never know this, Joel, but if you had to guess,

438
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Speaker 1: is it is your gut telling you that Carli Ers

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Speaker 1: Gordon is in fact saying to Chris Ballard waving him

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Speaker 1: right now, like traffic is open, let's go, you have

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Speaker 1: the green light? Or is it more so just that

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Speaker 1: no longer is there someone standing there with the little

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Speaker 1: sign that says stop.

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Speaker 3: I see. I think maybe more the second one. You know,

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Speaker 3: I get the impression that I get the impression that

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Speaker 3: she is a a like like it's what she said

447
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Speaker 3: is that she's she's kind of like. I got to

448
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Speaker 3: see how everything plays out, and I think I think

449
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Speaker 3: she probably I do think she probably asked some questions

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Speaker 3: about why are we making this deal? What's going to happen?

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think you know, when she got the

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Speaker 3: answer she wanted, she was like, it's fine to go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The uh Joel Erickson is our guest Indianapolis Star is

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Speaker 1: where you can read his work. He is on the

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Speaker 1: Java House Peel and Poor Guest line. Joel saucegartered, I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming we know the answer to this, but I will

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Speaker 1: ask if there has been any official clarification. He is

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Speaker 1: on field Sunday in Germany.

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Speaker 3: Correct, provided he provided he clears concussion protocol, which I

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Speaker 3: have no reason to think he will not.

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Speaker 1: I did not realize he was in concussion protocol.

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Speaker 3: Actually, he is still in concussion protocol. He suffered one

464
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Speaker 3: against Carolina in week seven. He missed their win over

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Speaker 3: the Bengals in week eight and then.

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Speaker 1: Had a bye week gotcha, and has not cleared yet.

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Speaker 3: So actually we just talked to Shane Steichen. It is

468
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Speaker 3: it seems likely that we will not talk to saus

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Speaker 3: Gardner today here because the independent neurologist has to clear him.

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Speaker 3: They're not allowed to talk to the media. Whither protocols.

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Speaker 1: Now, the other side of that would be with Mooney

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Speaker 1: Ward and you know that side of the story in

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Speaker 1: terms of concussion protocol. Where do things stand there?

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Speaker 3: They have said fastly said that they expect wardback at

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Speaker 3: some point this season, but you have the having the

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Speaker 3: two concussions in about a month and a half is

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Speaker 3: why they had to place him on IR.

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Speaker 1: Are they otherwise? Joel, when it comes to because you

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Speaker 1: know you're going into this situation, you want to obviously

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Speaker 1: play strong coming off of the Pittsburgh disaster, we'll call

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Speaker 1: it that. And I had mentioned the fact that it

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Speaker 1: kind of creates this wrinkle with Atlanta because Atlanta is

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Speaker 1: a little bit tricky. I think offensively, they're pretty good offensively.

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Speaker 1: They've got some playmakers. But now you definitely don't want

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Speaker 1: to limp your way into the by knowing that Kansas

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Speaker 1: City's on the other side of it. Where are they

487
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Speaker 1: from a health standpoint? Is there anything that has surprised

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Speaker 1: you that's popped up?

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Speaker 3: Taekwon Lewis being out of practice today is is interesting.

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Speaker 3: You know, he practiced in full on on Thursday and

491
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Speaker 3: Friday last week and then got downgraded out and now

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Speaker 3: he's not practicing today. You know, they said we'll see

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Speaker 3: how the week goes with him. That's a little surprising.

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Speaker 3: It's a little surprising he's able to practice in full

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Speaker 3: two days last week and now is not practicing today.

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Speaker 3: I know it's the off day for everybody kind of

497
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Speaker 3: but you would think that if you're a player coming

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Speaker 3: back after missing two weeks, that you'd be more likely

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Speaker 3: to practice.

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Speaker 4: So that that's the one I think that I'm.

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Speaker 2: Watching Number two or I have two questions. Number one,

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Speaker 2: what about Jalen Jalen Carlis do you anticipate him being

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Speaker 2: back anytime soon?

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Speaker 3: It does seem like he's I mean maybe after the

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Speaker 3: bye I don't know, but we haven't seen him.

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Speaker 4: They haven't activated his practice window.

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Speaker 3: We've seen him out of practice, we haven't you know,

508
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Speaker 3: they haven't activated him, and every time we've asked, it's

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Speaker 3: kind of been like, Nope, not yet.

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Speaker 1: And then number two, with the addition to Sauce Gardner,

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Speaker 1: what does this mean for the future of Jelan Jones

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Speaker 1: and Justin Walley, a guy that the cults were high

513
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Speaker 1: on who was going to be the starting cornerback opposite

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Speaker 1: at Travarious Ward going into the season until he got injured.

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Speaker 3: Well, so I think that this I think that we're

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Speaker 3: One of the things that it does for both of

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Speaker 3: those players is it opens up the possibility for lou

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Speaker 3: Ana Roumo to play the kind of dime coverage and

519
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Speaker 3: matchup football that he desperately wants to and hasn't been

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Speaker 3: able to because of all the cornerback injuries. I no

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Speaker 3: one has said this, but we have had. We had

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Speaker 3: a conversation with Ana Rumo about tight ends, I guess

523
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Speaker 3: before last week, and he was saying, you know, you

524
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Speaker 3: can't really cover those guys with the linebacker. You don't

525
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Speaker 3: really want to cover him with the safety anymore. You

526
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Speaker 3: prefer to cover them with a corner. They didn't really

527
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Speaker 3: have a guy who could do that. They do now.

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Speaker 3: Jalen Jones is six foot two and two hundred pounds

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Speaker 3: and extremely strong for a corner. I think you could

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Speaker 3: if you want to deploy him that way. You can

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Speaker 3: do that with Justin Wally.

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Speaker 4: You know, they had.

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Speaker 3: A spot, they have a spot in the defense for

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Speaker 3: somebody who covers sort of the deep threat, burner type

535
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Speaker 3: that everybody seems to have in their third or fourth receiver.

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Speaker 3: I think he would he moves into that role. And

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Speaker 3: Makai Blackman when he's healthy. It provided that Makai Blackman

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Speaker 3: is you know, is playing depth at that point or

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Speaker 3: maybe moving on from him. So I think I think

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Speaker 3: both of those guys become matchup type players if everybody's

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Speaker 3: healthy instead of instead of you know, full time starters.

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Speaker 1: Joel, before we release you here to go into the

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Speaker 1: locker room and if you've got to jump because they're

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Speaker 1: opening the doors, let me know. But I want to

545
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Speaker 1: give you this chance. We've we've talked about this before.

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Speaker 1: You are a fan of the Milwaukee Brewers. You grow up,

547
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Speaker 1: you grew up in Wisconsin. Right there obviously is this

548
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: back and forth between and I love the city Milwaukee

549
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Speaker 1: im and we're going for our annual weekend coming up

550
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Speaker 1: here in a couple of weeks. I love Milwaukee, but

551
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Speaker 1: you know, with the Miles Turner situation, all of these

552
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: Milwaukee fans have taken this sanctimonious higher holier than now.

553
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: We never boo our former players. Apparently they're forgetting when

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00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: Brett Favre went back to Lambeau. I'm gonna give you

555
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Speaker 1: the opportunity here as a Wisconsin native, speak for yourself. Buddy,

556
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: stand up right now. The floor is yours, stand up

557
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Speaker 1: for and defend your peeps.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to because when Craig Counsel comes

559
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Speaker 3: back six times a year or seven times a year,

560
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Speaker 3: they boo. I support that booing very strongly. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I think it should be louder. I am not a

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Speaker 3: Bucks fan by trade, I am. I think I've said

563
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Speaker 3: this before. I was a huge David Robinson guy when

564
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Speaker 3: I was a little kid and just became a Spurs fan. Okay,

565
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Speaker 3: so I can't. I can't claim anything from the Bucks.

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Speaker 3: But no, they're like, they booed the crap out of

567
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Speaker 3: Craig Council every time he's there, and they should, And

568
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Speaker 3: so I have no issues with the Pacers fans doing.

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Speaker 4: Whatever they want to do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's sports, right, It's what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's people take it too seriously.

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Speaker 3: Well it's also I mean, I'm I'm not wrong in

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Speaker 3: saying that it's kind of brought on a little bit

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Speaker 3: by by Miles himself.

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Speaker 1: Of course, are you kidding me? Of course, no question.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean no, that's that's they're playing. They're

577
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Speaker 3: doing the thing where you that everybody does.

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Speaker 4: They're like, well, it's okay for us, but not.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course quickly here, Juli, yes or no?

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Speaker 2: Is various word back after the bye week.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that yet. I don't know that.

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Speaker 3: I think he should be, but I don't know that

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Speaker 3: for sure yet.

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Speaker 1: When do you leave, by the way, tomorrow afternoon and

585
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Speaker 1: you fly let me guess through New York or Philly?

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Speaker 3: No I go, I'm on American, So I am going

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Speaker 3: charlott and then London and then Berlin.

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Speaker 1: Oh nice? All right, well good and dog enjoy.

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Speaker 4: Well we will be.

590
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Speaker 3: We will be very tired when we get to the

591
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Speaker 3: Colts practice on Friday.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's all right, suck it up, yep, all right, Joell,

593
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Speaker 1: appreciate it, man.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you later.

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Speaker 1: Joel a ericson joining us on the Java House people,

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Speaker 1: poor guests. And by the way, I have a I forgot.

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Speaker 1: I have a wardrobe accentuation for people that think that

598
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Speaker 1: I wasn't excited enough, fired up enough. Nobody said that

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Speaker 1: to me. But if you didn't think that I'm all in,

600
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Speaker 1: all chips in on yesterday's announcement, I got news for

601
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Speaker 1: you and the YouTube audience will be able to see

602
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Speaker 1: it because I brought along a wardrobe accentuation that says

603
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: let's go, Let's go. It's the one that all that

604
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: you should even get for yourself to wear the Colts

605
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Speaker 1: games to say you are in on the new guy,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to town. We'll talk about it next now. Now,

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00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: it is not my place, my job, my anything to

608
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: tell anybody in this town from a marketing standpoint, advertising standpoint,

609
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, what to do right, Although if

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00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: you'd like to advertise and be a part of this show,

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00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: we are always thrilled to have you on board as

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00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: part of the company, and our sales department would be

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00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: more than willing to talk to you and find out

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Speaker 1: what best works for you and delivering your message toward

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Speaker 1: the people at Indianapolis. You can always find out more

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Speaker 1: simply text me at five two three nine two eight

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Speaker 1: eight if you'd like to be part of the company,

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Speaker 1: we'd happy, we'd be happy to have you, Eddie. Since

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Speaker 1: the Colts are going to Germany, I made the point

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Speaker 1: that the rath Scaler, which is and I think they're

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Speaker 1: doing a viewing party, one of many probably you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a fabulous place, the beer Garden at the Rafts Scaler.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing like, I mean nothing like. I just did

624
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Speaker 1: it last weekend, going and being outside at the beer

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Speaker 1: Garden and getting yourself a pills nerve from Mike who's

626
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Speaker 1: the best, and seeing a live ban outside like the

627
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Speaker 1: elect just I mean, that's living right. And the rat

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Speaker 1: Scaler is an iconic place in Indianapolis. And there they're

629
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Speaker 1: they're mustard. So have you had the mustard there? Yeah,

630
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Speaker 1: you've brought it. You brought it into the show once

631
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Speaker 1: and I believe it was you had me and Jimmy

632
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Speaker 1: do samples. It's it's I mean, I have super sensitive sinuses,

633
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Speaker 1: but it's something now good stuff, it's super super good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Here's the question, though, Todd Meyer just asked this, and

635
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Speaker 1: I've got to admit it. Actually, if you look very

636
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Speaker 1: if you look really closely, you can actually see a

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Speaker 1: small part of my cerebellum oozing out of my ear

638
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: because it blew my brain when he asked me this question, Okay,

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00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: not literally but figuratively. Are are condiments mustard as a condiment? Right?

640
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Speaker 1: We agree on that? Yes? Okay? Are condiments sauces or

641
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Speaker 1: our sauces condiments? Can you look that up? This is

642
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: this is a chicken and egg type thing, and this

643
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Speaker 1: is the kind of thing I'm curious. It's It's like

644
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Speaker 1: when I asked that question to people, is it pets Mart?

645
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: Meaning a mart for your pets were smart? Like I understand.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, like you like you're smart

647
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Speaker 1: about your pet if you go to pets or is

648
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Speaker 1: it pets Smart? Now, this is kind of the same question.

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Speaker 1: Are sauces condiments or are condiments part of sauces? I

650
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Speaker 1: start to think that perhaps sauces are part of the

651
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: condiment family and the condiment is the adult in the room.

652
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: Condiments can be considered a type of sauce, but not

653
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: all sauces are condiments. Kind of like how jacouozies are

654
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 2: hot tubs. Not all hot stubbs or brand gym right

655
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: couzies correct? Okay, Waite say this again, though, sauces and

656
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: condomient say that Again, condiments can be considered a type

657
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: of sauce, but not all sauces are condiments. Condiments are

658
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 2: substances added to food to enhance flavor, which can include sauces.

659
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: While sauces are specifically prepared liquids or semi liquids that

660
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: add moisture, flavor, or visual appeal to food. So, but

661
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: it says not all sauces or condiments. I disagree with that.

662
00:34:54,880 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: Read condiment again, Condiments are substances added to food to

663
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: enhance flavor, which can include sauces. Okay, Sauces are specifically

664
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Speaker 2: prepared liquids or semi liquids to add moisture, flavor, or

665
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: visual So not all condiments or sauces, but all sauces

666
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: are condiments. I'm not doing this, but it's true. I

667
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: think that's right, right, right, Here's why I mentioned it. Okay,

668
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: So I would say that the mustard, Okay, the mustard

669
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: that's at the rats skeler is not a sauce, salsa,

670
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 2: and ranch dressing can function as both a condiment and

671
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: a sauce depending on their usage.

672
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: But I think that what we're getting at here is

673
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: that all sauces are condiments, but not all conniments or sauces.

674
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: But in essence, the distinction of often lies in how

675
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: they are used in relation to the dish.

676
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: Okay, what is the most famous based on that definition?

677
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm our friends at the Rascaler and they're

678
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: fantastic mustard. I'm taking that off of the table because

679
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: of our definitions here that we're loosely coming up with.

680
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: So what is the most famous sauce in Indianapolis? If

681
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: you're watching a Colts game and Jim Nanser is doing

682
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: a Colts or it's the NFL combine, who are they

683
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: always showing what sauce? Are they always showing same? Almost

684
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: cocktail sauce. So I am so on board with sauce

685
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: Gardner as a cult that for the rest of the show.

686
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: Right here, baby, I'm rocking the Saint Elmo hat today

687
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: because yes, they're known for their steak, but they're known

688
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: for their shrimp cocktail sauce. And listen, I'm not here

689
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: to tell anybody how to do their marketing. But Saint Elmo,

690
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: who I'd love to have as part of the company.

691
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: They need to get on board with Sauce Gardner, right,

692
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: he needs to have immediately some sort of a sponsorship

693
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: deal with Saint Elmo. Am I right he is now.

694
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: No matter what the guy does, he will always be

695
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: the second most famous sauce in Indy. But I don't

696
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: know about condiment. Shane Steichen spoke earlier, perhaps even about

697
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: exactly that, and will let you hear from them next.

698
00:36:52,760 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: What Now, see, you tapped into my neuroticism by getting

699
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: my brain going about whether or not all sauces are condiments,

700
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: all condiments are sauces. I didn't do that, and then

701
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: into the pet smart and now you got me going

702
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: on the south side Detroit. I did not do that, Jake.

703
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: I was no south side Detroit.

704
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: Steve Perry aired in his writing I was working while

705
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: you and.

706
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: Todd were gossiping. So I think what it comes down

707
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: to is this, sauces are condiments of a liquid variation.

708
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: Thus all sauces are condiments, but not all condiments are sauces.

709
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: It's just dependent on how you use it. Jake, like

710
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: I would consider. Do you consider chopped onions a condiment? No?

711
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: On a hot dog? No? What's the definition of condiment?

712
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: Look up condiment again? Gosh, I thought I was done

713
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: with this, so I closed it out. Or look up?

714
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: Do you consider relish a sauce? Relish is a condiment, correct,

715
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: But it's not a sauce because it has solid in it.

716
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: So sauce a condoma is a substance such as salt

717
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: or ketchup that he's used to add flavor to food. Okay,

718
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: salt right, not a liquid. Sauces, on the other hand,

719
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: are condiments of the liquid variation. So all sauces are condiments,

720
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: but not all condiments are sauces. See, this is the

721
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: stuff we do, Eddie on this show. We educate and entertain.

722
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: Now you roll your eyes and you get testy and

723
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: feisty about having a look up on the Wikipedia. But

724
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: then afterwards you go home in your satey, and you know,

725
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: you get home, you sit down at dinner at the

726
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: dinner table tonight, and mom and dad say what we

727
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: learned today? And you say, you know what I learned today?

728
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: As I learned that all sauces are condiments? But not

729
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: all condiments are sauces. And then it leads to this

730
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: fabulous conversation of interaction and people start discussing with one another,

731
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: and the family bond is there. This is what we're

732
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: doing on this program. We are not only educating and entertaining,

733
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: we are creating and reverting back to the way things

734
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: should be, right, the bond at the dinner table of

735
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: having You're not like these folks that are just putting

736
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: on the headsets and locking into a device and then

737
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: putting yourself virtually in some sort of cafe in Brisbane. No,

738
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: you're sitting and interacting with your family at the dinner

739
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: table the way it should be, and occasionally looking at

740
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: mom or dad or sister and saying can you pass

741
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: the condiment? And they say you mean the sauce, and

742
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: you say, no, the condiment one of a solid variation.

743
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: If it was liquid, though, that would be a sauce,

744
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: And then everybody goes on about their way. Shane Steichen

745
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 1: spoke earlier today about just moments ago. As a matter

746
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: of fact, obviously the big topic of conversation was sauce

747
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: Gardner and yes, he's gonna say exactly what you think

748
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna say in terms of their thrill and being

749
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: able to get a guy that is in fact a

750
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: number one corner as he listed him, and a guy

751
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: that brings a whole new an elevation to the defense

752
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: just in terms of his approach. But what about the

753
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: skill set it's set itself, I should say, when it

754
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 1: comes to Sauce Gardner and what he does that is different.

755
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: They do have good corners, do the Colts win healthy?

756
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: But Shane Stike in my question for you, is you

757
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: talked about Sauce Gardner and how you think he's a

758
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: number one. Tell me more, Shane about what makes you

759
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: think that and what it is about the skill set

760
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: of Sauce Gardner that jumps out to you.

761
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think is coverage is elite.

762
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 6: I think the way he covers receivers one on ones,

763
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 6: how tight he is and coverage, how aggressive he is.

764
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 5: He's long.

765
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 6: I mean, he's six y three and he can change directions,

766
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 6: get on receivers like crazy, so obviously going against them

767
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 6: over the years and now to get him here, like

768
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 6: I said, just an elite player that we got.

769
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: Okay, other question I get and I want to get

770
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: this from both sides because I think people find it interesting,

771
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: as do I. And that is when there is a

772
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: trade where you have a player coming in or in

773
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: the case of Ady Mitchell and obviously with two draft picks,

774
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: a player going out, you know, do you have the

775
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: discussion with them, you talked to him on the phone.

776
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: Do you wait for them to find out from you know,

777
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, maybe Adie Mitchell was listening

778
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: to the show yesterday and just heard like, oh wow,

779
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: I was traded. Several people got upset with me because

780
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: I made a joke about him on X and you know,

781
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: I think he probably has bigger things to worry about

782
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: right now. But nonetheless, so that's the question Shane. When

783
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: it comes, We'll begin with Sauce Gardner. He's on his

784
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: way to becoming a cult has Shane Steiken, have you

785
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: yet talked with Sauce Gardner.

786
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean had a chance talk to him on

787
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 6: the phone yesterday. We text him back and forth a

788
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 6: little bit. Talked to him just a little bit this morning.

789
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 6: But you know, I think he's excited for a new chapter,

790
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 6: you know, in his career and being around the guys

791
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 6: that we got, Like I said, adding him to the fold,

792
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 6: you know, I think he's excited.

793
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: As for Adie Mitchell. The other side of it, which

794
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: can be tough, and that is Shane Steikeen. Did you

795
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 1: address the news or did you talk to your young

796
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver who is now in New York Jet, Yeah,

797
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 1: I did.

798
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 6: We talked to him, you know, before the trade happened,

799
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 6: right before it happened, And obviously I got a lot

800
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 6: of respect for ad I think ad is a very talent.

801
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 6: It's a player. This is you know, part of the business.

802
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 6: And like I said, I wish him all the best.

803
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 6: I hope he goes and has great success.

804
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 5: In New York.

805
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: You know, flip and see aside and kidding aside and

806
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: ex'es and o's aside. We all have a group of friends.

807
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: We all have a group of college friends or high

808
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: school friends or work colleagues. And you know, work is

809
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: an interesting thing, no matter where you work, because oftentimes

810
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: you find yourself in situations where you go in and

811
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: somebody is one day a competitor and the next day

812
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: a colleague. You know, I remember, and I've told this

813
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: story before. Mark James, who's now the chief announcer in

814
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: the Voice of the Indianapolis five hundred. When I got

815
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: hired at WIBC years ago in the sports area, I

816
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: was doing the sports for Jeff Pigeon, who is just

817
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: the absolute best in Terry Stacey. And the two finalists

818
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: for that job were Mark James and myself. And I

819
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: didn't know Mark James. I'd not met Mark James. I

820
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: knew of his work obviously, and I got to do

821
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: that job. And then shortly after, about seven months later,

822
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: I got hired to do stuff for the IMS Radio network.

823
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: And you know that Mark was already a very established

824
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: part of and I didn't know how that would go.

825
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: And I remember him coming up to me and he's like, hey,

826
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, you're the new guy. Let me show you

827
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: a couple of things, how stuff works, whatever. And now

828
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: he's you know, I mean, literally one of my best

829
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: friends in the world, and we're teammates, and you just

830
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: there's always an ebb and flow and an oddity with that.

831
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: And so even though we can sit here on the

832
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: outside and say that Ady Mitchell is a guy that

833
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: never fully developed as a player, we have no idea

834
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: what kind of a teammate he is, what kind of

835
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: a you know, he is a part of the locker room.

836
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: And saus Gardner is a great player, and I think

837
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: players for the Colts to know that. But now all

838
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's the new guy. He's the new

839
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: guy coming in. He's the guy who used to line

840
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: up against so Shane Styke in. The question becomes, how

841
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: does a big trade like this with a guy like

842
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: Adie Mitchell on his way out and saws Gardner back in,

843
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: how does that impact mood to the locker room?

844
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 4: Yeah?

845
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 6: I mean it's a huge move and we got a

846
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 6: lot of belief in our football team and when you

847
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 6: make moves like that, it's a huge right. It boosts

848
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 6: the confidence of everybody, and our football team's in a

849
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 6: good spot.

850
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 5: And again I keep this. My message to the guys

851
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 5: is the same every day.

852
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 6: We got to get better every day and focus on

853
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 6: today and not worry about the future. But we got

854
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 6: to get ready to go play Atlanta this week.

855
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: And that's the message, okay, And that game obviously taking

856
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: place in Germany in Berlin a little bit later, we

857
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: might hear from Shane Steichen about how exactly you prepare

858
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: for that. It's a little bit different, say, than heading

859
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: down to Lucas Oil Stadium. But in terms of new faces,

860
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: in terms of old faces on their way out, both

861
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: of those storylines big for the Pacers this week and

862
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: the guy that covers them as they get set for

863
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Speaker 1: the brooklean Nets Tonight. It is from the Indianapolis Star, Dustin,

864
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: and he joins us next number one perdue last night

865
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Speaker 1: over Evansville at MACKI but your lawyer with a really

866
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: big game for pretty Jack Benner played well the youngster

867
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Speaker 1: for the boiler Maker Indiana and Action Tonight Alabama A

868
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Speaker 1: and M. I'm going to the game Eddie at Assembly Hall.

869
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: It's alumni night at Assembly Hall because we're going to

870
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 1: the game with doctor White, who was a fabulous player

871
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: during his time at Alabama A and M. Jake, you

872
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Speaker 1: know our next guest has spent plenty of time in

873
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Speaker 1: Assembly Hall too, right, That would be our friend from

874
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Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Star, Dustin, who joins us to talk about

875
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: the Pacers tonight. And it is name tag night at

876
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: the Fieldhouse. They're passing out two things at the field

877
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: House tonight. Somebody's gonna get a win, the Pacers or

878
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: the brooklean Nets, who are in search of their first one.

879
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: But kidding aside. Obviously, Indiana has been ravaged by injury

880
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: and they have been handed out ten day contracts. Dustin,

881
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: they handed out another one, right, you know, fascinating to

882
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: me at the end of the game, and I thought

883
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: they played well. I know that. You know, we've talked

884
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: plenty about what happened in the Bucks game and Giannis's

885
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: shot and the booing and all of that. But the

886
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: lineup that the pacer had on the floor at the

887
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: completion of that game, I'm looking at it and I'm

888
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: going they got a guy on the floor that literally

889
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: was signed and joined them on Friday in Jeremiah Robinson Earl.

890
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know. The guy's got three

891
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: names and half his teammates probably couldn't tell you two

892
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: of them.

893
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 7: Right, Let's not forget. He was like a top thirty recruit.

894
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 7: He was Biggies Player of the Year Villanovo. He was

895
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Speaker 7: the guy. You know, he was a dude, and he

896
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 7: actually played. I forgot this. He played at IAMG Academy

897
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 7: with Jarris Walker. Robinson almost been there earlier, like a

898
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 7: senior or something like that. I think he I think

899
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 7: he's got some years on Jaris. But they they both

900
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 7: played at Iams together. So yeah, I mean, ultimately it's

901
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 7: not it's not a good situation to be and I

902
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 7: mean the at least the three guys they've signed, or

903
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 7: at least three guys i've heard of, between mac mccough

904
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 7: and Jeremia Robinson Earl and Cody Martin, but having three

905
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 7: guys that weren't on the team in camp, that are

906
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 7: not only on the team but have to play rotation

907
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 7: minutes because you've got you know, I mean, I guess

908
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 7: they've got twelve guys because they're over the limit, you know,

909
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 7: with their signings. But yeah, it's it's well, Cody Martin

910
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 7: is official yet that I've seen anyway, so I don't

911
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 7: know if he's available tonight. But all the same, I mean,

912
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 7: at least guys you've heard of. But yeah, it's a

913
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 7: big ass to say, hey, guys, you just got a uniform,

914
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 7: go play in an NBA game.

915
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: Well, okay, So that's And for those that were not

916
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 1: aware that the Pacers announcing today Cody Martin former notably,

917
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: I think Charlotte is where people would know him ten

918
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: day contract for the Pacers. This is because of the

919
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 1: fact that these situations continue in terms of injuries, Let's

920
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: get to that at first, Dustin, and that is Quentin

921
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: Jackson and Johnny Furfey. They are the latest to get injured,

922
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Speaker 1: both of them. That happened during the game against Milwaukee.

923
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: Where do things stand or what is the latest on those.

924
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 7: Don't know the specific shed Obviously will get more of

925
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 7: that when we get a chance to talk to Rick later.

926
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Speaker 7: But obviously Quinton hurt the same hamstring in pre season,

927
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 7: so I mean, I guess it's possible for it to

928
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 7: be a different injury on the same hamstring, and Tyres

929
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 7: Haliburton actually had that a couple of years ago where

930
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 7: we thought it was just a reaggravation, where actually it

931
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 7: was a new one in a different place than the

932
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 7: same HAMMI. So that's possible. But it is an injury

933
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Speaker 7: that he had before and missed, you know, several weeks

934
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Speaker 7: from mid preseason, so I think past the first or

935
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Speaker 7: second game. And Furfy's been dealing with left like left

936
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 7: foot and ankle stuff throughout, you know, basically since I

937
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 7: think the same game I think went down, the same

938
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 7: preseason game I think was the second one, and so

939
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 7: those are like getting stuff going in the same area.

940
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 7: Having a problem in the same area that they had

941
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Speaker 7: then I know, for a few left on crutches, So

942
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 7: I don't know what that means exactly, if that makes

943
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 7: it a more severe ankle.

944
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 4: He was definitely hoppled while he.

945
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 7: Was out there. I saw him get dinged up, and

946
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 7: then he tried to play the next player too, and

947
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 7: he didn't didn't look great, And I think Quentin checked

948
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 7: himself out, you know the game basically. That certainly tells

949
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 7: you something that that he wasn't feeling great. So I

950
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 7: don't know exactly on the timelines, but you know, we'll

951
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 7: find out today. Rip will probably be very big about it,

952
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 7: but he'll at least give some sense of where everybody is.

953
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 7: You're still waiting on you know, McConnell's you know, due

954
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 7: date was supposed to be November ninth. We'll see if

955
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 7: he's anywhere. You're close to that. So checking on a

956
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 7: lot of these to find out how long are these

957
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 7: guys out. Rick's been pretty evasive about this stuff when

958
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 7: it hasn't been something that he could shoot forward a

959
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 7: month or two. But you know, we'll see what we

960
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 7: hear from them. But I you know, I imagine they're both

961
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 7: going to miss some time, and especially since it is

962
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Speaker 7: either a reaggravation or an injury in the same general area,

963
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 7: you'd have to think that it's reason to be careful.

964
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: Dustin de Pirak is our guest from the Indianapol Star.

965
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: He is on the Java House Peel and poor guest

966
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Speaker 1: line dustin the center position. It is so early in

967
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: the year, and it is probably even unfair to adequately

968
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: try to gauge everything because we just don't see the

969
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: supporting cast around the center that we would be seeing

970
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: if this was the playoffs and everyone's healthy. I understand that. However, However,

971
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: if I were to nitpick something, it would be that

972
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: I thought I would see more out of Jay Huff

973
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: than now, and in particular defensively, to me, it looks

974
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: like he he needs more strength, and Tony Bradley perhaps

975
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: has moved in front of him a little bit. I

976
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: think we know Isaiah Jackson, you know, is starting to

977
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: show some progress. Where do you assess the center position?

978
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think he nailed that. I don't

979
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 7: think you've seen too much Jay Huff yet. You know,

980
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 7: I'm looking at the numbers right now. It's it's not great,

981
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 7: and you know he's blocking some shots, and I think

982
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 7: that's but you know, there there's the blocking shots piece

983
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 7: of defense, and then there's the recipiece of defense. It's

984
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 7: like when someone's driving at being able to walp them off,

985
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 7: and he hasn't shown a great capacity, I don't think,

986
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 7: for that, and not shooting as well as you would

987
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 7: need to to make up for that. He's three or

988
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 7: seventeen from three of so far so far nine to

989
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 7: twenty six in the floor rebunning numbers aren't Spectatckuler. He's

990
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 7: got fifteen. He's got ten off shots, which does leave

991
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 7: the team is six more than anybody else. And so

992
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 7: you're seeing that capacity to get up and at least

993
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 7: you know, pin stuff off the wall, and that's that's

994
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 7: that's something you know that that's worth pointing out. But

995
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 7: I mean, I think there were people that thought he

996
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 7: was going to be just a cheaper version of mouse Turner,

997
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 7: and he's not. You know, you're not seeing that at

998
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 7: that level. And yes, defensively he's not. Really if you're

999
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 7: driving at him, he's not giving you as much resistance

1000
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 7: as you need to see. When the ball goes up,

1001
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 7: he's got of pinning it off the glass, and that's

1002
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 7: worth noting. But you know, he's not dominant on the glass.

1003
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 7: He's not walling you off trying to get to the

1004
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 7: paint in the first place. You know, just not moving

1005
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 7: as quick as you want to. You're not seeing the

1006
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 7: same level of condition that you'd like to have. It

1007
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 7: does take getting used to, I think for these big

1008
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 7: guys in particular, to get used to what it requires

1009
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 7: to play as fast as these guys do, and you know,

1010
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 7: to defense like ninety four feet. You know, if you're

1011
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 7: if your big vant goes into the back court, they

1012
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 7: expect you to pick him up the whole way. And

1013
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 7: that's something that gets It takes some getting used to

1014
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 7: from some guys. And I don't think you've seen Jay

1015
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 7: have to get used to it yet. Bradley, as Ricarlo

1016
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 7: continues to say, just plays a very very simple game.

1017
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 7: He just you know, takes the shots that are easy

1018
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 7: and close to the bucket boxes out really well. You know,

1019
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 7: isn't super athletic, isn't super fast, but just you know,

1020
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 7: knows what he has to get in the way of

1021
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 7: and does a great job.

1022
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 4: He's shooting seventy.

1023
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 7: One percent from the floor so far, which is really impressive,

1024
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 7: you know, rebounding at a pretty good rate. I think

1025
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 7: he's up there to you know, one or two in

1026
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 7: offensive rebounds on this team, doing a good job of

1027
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 7: chasing stuff down sosolutely. At this point, he's he's clearly

1028
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 7: ahead of Jay Huss as far as if you're looking

1029
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 7: at the center depth chart. But Huss how to play

1030
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 7: a lot of power forward too is the thing, because

1031
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 7: you're end up playing starting all three of those forwards

1032
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 7: that you have remaining in Siakham and Uh and Nee

1033
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 7: Smith and Walker. And that's why they're picking up guys

1034
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 7: like robinsonurel Uh and Cody Martin in the first.

1035
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: Place, Ben Shephard and Jeris Walker, which of those two,

1036
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: to you Dustin appears to be settling in more comfortably

1037
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: with increased responsibilities in minutes.

1038
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 7: Walker and and and neither one of them, it's definitely

1039
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 7: both of them are they're they're they're trying really hard

1040
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 7: to swim, you know what I mean. You know, Walker,

1041
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 7: I think is just I mean that they're asking a

1042
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,479
Speaker 7: lot of Walker, you know, they're asking how to go

1043
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 7: go get a lot of shots. It's funny, you know,

1044
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 7: basically the charge for these guys for the last you know,

1045
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 7: couple of years has been you know, catch and shoot,

1046
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 7: move the ball, quick decisions, just don't have the ball

1047
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 7: in your hand a lot. And now guys like Aaron

1048
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 7: Nesmith and Jerifs Walker have to create so basically everything

1049
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 7: that you know, they're being asked to do everything Bennedict

1050
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 7: Matherne did, when for years Benedic Matherne was asked to

1051
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 7: do everything thereon Nie Smith did, so I think there's

1052
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 7: some irony in that, but I mean they're it's interesting

1053
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 7: that Walker's at thirty four percent in the floor, thirty

1054
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 7: one percent from three, but it's just you He's got

1055
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 7: to get volume up, you know, And and that's actually

1056
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 7: more important now is just to find ways of creating

1057
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 7: stuff and giving him opportunity a shot and put the

1058
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 7: ball off the glass and hope something works out. And

1059
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 7: so I think Walker is doing I think better because

1060
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 7: he's ultimately just being more productive. And I think that's

1061
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 7: that's a charge right now, is just produced. You know,

1062
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 7: like you like, being efficient isn't as valuable as it was,

1063
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 7: Like you've got to be able to create something because

1064
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 7: there's there's not the same number of creators. Somebody's got

1065
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 7: to create, and Walker's been better at creating. I don't

1066
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 7: think you've ever's done a bad job necessarily, but I

1067
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 7: mean he's not shooting it well. He's five to twenty

1068
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 7: seven and three thirty two percent in the floor, you know.

1069
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 7: I mean he's done an okay job I think of

1070
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 7: running the point, but it is more than he's usually

1071
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 7: asked to do. He's been fine in a situation where

1072
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 7: it's just hey, shoot it or move it. You know,

1073
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 7: you're either going to get a clean, wide open look

1074
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 7: and you hit it or you keep the ball moving.

1075
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 7: And that's what you want offense, you sprint, sprint to

1076
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 7: the corners. When he's had a basic responsibility, he's done

1077
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 7: it really well. But he's asked to do a lot

1078
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 7: of more. Is as to handle a lot more's have

1079
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 7: to create a lot more. The shots aren't as good

1080
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 7: because again, like he's he's got to get volume, he's

1081
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 7: got to take shots he wouldn't usually take. And so

1082
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 7: that's you know, ripping into his efficiency numbers. And so

1083
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 7: you're seeing Walker, who has the capacity I think to

1084
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 7: create more, has been more productive.

1085
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: You know, Dustin, in playing basketball and in watching basketball,

1086
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: there are very few areas where playing pick up basketball

1087
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: or high school basketball or college basketball translates into NBA obviously, right,

1088
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: but it does offer perspective when you view and one

1089
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 1: of the things that I've noticed, and I just simply

1090
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: want to ask if this makes sense, one of the

1091
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: things that is an under rated aspect of the game

1092
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: is players that I've always said, you can tell when

1093
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: a guy knows at all times where the rim is

1094
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: in relation to where they are, especially low post players

1095
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: when they're to the basket, they always know where the

1096
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: basket is. And you can kind of tell when guys

1097
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: if things start moving too quick, when it throws them

1098
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: off a little bit on where where they need to

1099
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: be Jarris Walker, to me, it seems like in the

1100
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: last five games that has all finally slowed down, where

1101
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: he seems to have a better feel and natural just

1102
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: natural tendency of knowledge of space on the floor than

1103
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: he did as a younger player. Does that in any

1104
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: way make sense, Yeah, it.

1105
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 7: Does make sense. I'd have to like basically look back

1106
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 7: at stuff to see if I agree with that, but

1107
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 7: I mean I think I do, Like, I mean, he

1108
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 7: does seem this overall more comfortable. He's definitely, it's just

1109
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 7: such a scrambled setting. But it's they just have to

1110
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 7: grow up. I mean it's like I'm not saying that

1111
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 7: they're not like that's not like a dig, but like,

1112
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 7: I mean, these guys really have to mature under fire fast.

1113
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 7: And I do think you're seeing that because it's just

1114
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 7: like he's going in and taking shots that require some

1115
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 7: kind of spatial understanding that you're like, Okay, like you're

1116
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 7: gonna drive at the basket, you're gonna get wald off,

1117
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 7: you're gonna have to turn, you're gonna have to spin,

1118
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 7: you're gonna have to do something, uh, and get yourself

1119
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 7: a good look because you know there's not going to

1120
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 7: be that you know, open path that you've been used

1121
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 7: to the last couple of years, because when this thing works,

1122
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 7: you know, there's there's a lot of easy, simple decisions

1123
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 7: to be made. You know, now there's not as many

1124
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 7: simple decisions. There's a lot more of you've got to

1125
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 7: go through contact and you've got to find a way

1126
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 7: to create something off off movement, off the bounce off

1127
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 7: of spin off of something. And when you go up,

1128
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 7: you got to you know, you've got to have be

1129
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 7: pretty well oriented into where the ball needs to go

1130
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 7: and where you need to shoot the ball. It's tough

1131
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 7: to calibrate that if you don't have a great sense

1132
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 7: of it when you jump. And I do think you're

1133
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 7: seeing that. I do think he has a better sense

1134
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 7: of Okay, how far do I need to go to

1135
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 7: get someplace where I can make I can make this

1136
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 7: spin move and and and how much am I going

1137
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 7: to have to put on it when I do? You know,

1138
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 7: like you've seen some pretty awful movement spinning, turning, you know,

1139
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 7: off balance shots from him. Like it's tough that you

1140
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 7: didn't necessarily want him to do before, but now that

1141
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 7: you need him to do because you just don't have

1142
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 7: anybody else to create. And I think there's there's growth

1143
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 7: comes with being thrown.

1144
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: Into that fire dustin something I noticed in that lost

1145
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 2: to Milwaukee on Monday night. You know, typically, especially you

1146
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: know last year, and when Pascal first arrived with the Pacers,

1147
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 2: he was playing the first five to six minutes and

1148
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: he would sit like two to three, he'd come back

1149
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: and finish the first quarter. On Monday night, there was

1150
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: a shift. They didn't sit him at all in the

1151
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: first quarter. He pretty much played all twelve minutes. Is

1152
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: that something that Rick Carlile and the coaching staff is

1153
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: going to do from a game to game basis, or

1154
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: is that kind of his new rotation now moving forward, knowing, Hey,

1155
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 2: we need to start off better in these first quarters

1156
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: and I need to have my best player out there

1157
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: for the first twelve minutes.

1158
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's just a question. They're just having

1159
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 7: a hard time taking him off before. You know, at

1160
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 7: the end of the day, like he just in the

1161
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 7: role he's in, he's so far far above everybody else.

1162
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 7: I mean, like what it was last year.

1163
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 4: Was all right.

1164
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 7: They for the most part try to keep Halliburton and

1165
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 7: at least one or two are one of Halliburton and

1166
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 7: Siakam on the floor at all times. They weren't needed

1167
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 7: to make sure that at least that there was never

1168
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 7: there wasn't much time that basically there are only maybe

1169
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 7: a couple of minutes of game at most, but they

1170
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 7: didn't have both of those guys guys or at least

1171
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 7: one of those guys on the floor at all times.

1172
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 7: And you know, at this point it's tough for him

1173
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 7: to take them to take him off, because I mean,

1174
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 7: he just he does so much of the creating. He

1175
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,959
Speaker 7: does so much of distributing. He's the most comfortable shooter,

1176
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 7: of the most comfortable score, the best rebounder. You know,

1177
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 7: he's the guy who does everything. It's like, okay, well,

1178
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 7: when you take him off the floor, you're necessarily dropping

1179
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 7: off pretty dramatically, and you're asking Aaron de Smith to

1180
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 7: do a whole lot of stuff if he's never been

1181
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 7: asked to do before. So I mean, I think it's just,

1182
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 7: you know, like he knows that there's got to be

1183
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 7: arrested in there someplace. But it's when things go are

1184
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 7: going well, it's really hard to take him off the

1185
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 7: floor because he's the answer. And if if you know,

1186
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 7: basically when when Giannics was on the floor, they needed

1187
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 7: to have him on the floor, you know basically that

1188
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 7: they didn't there was nobody else that they could even

1189
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 7: think of, asking, hey, can you guard Giannis for five minutes?

1190
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 7: And also you know, and you know, like Walker and

1191
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 7: Nei Smith had done that in the past. But it's

1192
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 7: like okay, but you're you are also going to have

1193
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 7: to bring the ball up and you're also going to

1194
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 7: have to be the guy who's chasing shots. So it's

1195
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 7: like Siakum is the only guy that could really trust

1196
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 7: to do that, so they had to lean on them.

1197
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 7: And it is going to change depending on time and

1198
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 7: score and everything else. But you know, I mean, like

1199
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 7: starts are important. You don't want to let the game

1200
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 7: get away early. But it's just hard to take him

1201
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 7: off the slore when he's just doing everything. And then,

1202
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 7: especially when more guys get hurt, you're even more of

1203
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 7: a bund that you have to keep playing them.

1204
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: Dustin, how bad it than that suck?

1205
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 7: Apparently pretty bad. And also the significant difference is and

1206
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 7: I think the Pacers at least want to get up

1207
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 7: off the canvas here and try to be in some

1208
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 7: kind of position of what everybody comes back, they can

1209
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 7: they can make a push to be a postseason team.

1210
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 7: Brooklyn is totally totally okay with the idea of not

1211
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 7: doing anything. So you know, they're they're they're doing just

1212
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 7: fine with you know, and seven. They're not upset about

1213
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 7: this at all. They're getting beat by an average of

1214
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 7: fifteen point seven per game. You know, it's like them

1215
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 7: in New Orleans are getting be just about I think

1216
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 7: they have the worst point deferential in the league. Yeah,

1217
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 7: it's it's been pretty brutal. And again they're not bothered

1218
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 7: by that. They need some players and there are some

1219
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 7: players available in this coming draft. So you know, they've

1220
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 7: had a couple competitive games in there. They played the

1221
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,959
Speaker 7: Hawks within five when Trey Young got hurt. They played

1222
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 7: the Cavs within seven. But other than that, it's been

1223
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 7: double digital losses. And again they're okay with that. I mean,

1224
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 7: they're you know, Cam Thomas is going to go chuck

1225
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 7: it and get twenty five to thirty every night, and

1226
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 7: you know that.

1227
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 4: Kind of thing.

1228
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: And the twenty five twenty guy letting this thing right

1229
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: five Dustin. I don't know if you know this or not.

1230
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: And I haven't trademarked this yet. I did trademark why

1231
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: not Indiana? But I need to trademark this. Are you

1232
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: familiar with and feel free to say no. As a

1233
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I prefer it because then I can

1234
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: again elaborate on it. Are you familiar with the Jake

1235
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: Querry twenty twenty five guy?

1236
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 7: I presume that means twenty shots, twenty five points or

1237
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 7: one way or the other.

1238
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: You know, a common assumption. And when I say this,

1239
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: now here's the thing, and I have this impact on people, Okay,

1240
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm an acquired taste, but oftentimes Dustin, I'm

1241
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm the taste that later say to yourself, you know,

1242
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: I kind of liked that, and then before you know it,

1243
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: you're like, I've bought it every day, the twenty twenty

1244
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: five guy. And this will hit you about seven o'clock

1245
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: to night. You'll be sitting there on press Road and

1246
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: you'll look at somebody else and you'll say, you know,

1247
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: that twenty twenty five guy is brilliant. Twenty twenty five

1248
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: guy is a guy that is destined to score twenty

1249
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: a game on a twenty five win team his entire career.

1250
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.

1251
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't need until tonight's Yes, that's one hundred

1252
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 7: percent right now.

1253
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: I have an unfortunate feeling because I like him and

1254
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: I think he's a talented guy. But I do think

1255
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: that there is the possibility that Ben Matheren is going

1256
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: to play himself into situation where after this year he

1257
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: becomes a twenty twenty five guy Somewhere.

1258
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 7: It's possible that that is. I don't know if it's

1259
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 7: the worst case scenario, but that is a possibility. But

1260
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 7: we'll see. I mean, he was playing terrific basketball st No.

1261
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 4: I know.

1262
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: The only thing and again I mean this is no

1263
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: knock on him, the Pacers, anything else. It's just the

1264
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: fact that if he continues to play he was playing

1265
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year. He's a fabulous talent,

1266
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it, and seemingly a good guy

1267
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: and a likable guy, all those things. I just think

1268
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: from a salary standpoint, he may be the one that

1269
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of gets squeezed out based on timelines of how

1270
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: the Pacers have to figure that out moving forward. That's

1271
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: neither here nor there. That's down the road. The other

1272
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to get to before we let you go,

1273
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: because you mentioned brook Lean and the nets with you know,

1274
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: the possibility of you know, wanting to get a good

1275
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: pick this year. No one anticipated that Indiana's season would

1276
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: get off to the start that it has based on attrition.

1277
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: But one of the real silent cups that I think

1278
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: we didn't talk enough about Dustin How big a shrewd

1279
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: move is it now that the Pacers were able to

1280
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: go in and make an off the radar trade to

1281
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: recoup their first round pick in this year's draft.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that was that was a great move it.

1283
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 7: It was a tremendous move on a lot of levels.

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Speaker 7: I mean, just I'm I'm surprised and Willans did it.

1285
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 7: I mean, I guess at the time, and I think

1286
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 7: they'd done it like a week before the Haliburton injury.

1287
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, at the time, they're thinking, Okay, it's

1288
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Speaker 1: twenty eighth pick, right.

1289
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Speaker 7: Right exactly. I mean, really, the thing was they had

1290
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 7: to move this one, you know, because they moved this

1291
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 7: year's first round pick, and you know, or the twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty five first round pick, because they knew that was

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01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 7: going to be at the bottom and it was an

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Speaker 7: easy one to move, and so they were just like, oh, yeah,

1295
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 7: we've got to move on from this. And you know, like,

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01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,479
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm sure that I certainly had no idea

1297
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 7: who they were going to draft at that point. I

1298
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 7: was like, who do you even It's like, there's a

1299
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 7: good chance to whoever you take is just stuck, you know,

1300
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 7: it just has no chance of getting any opportunity here.

1301
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 7: And you know, they had to end up having a

1302
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 7: trade back in to get Cam Jones because of the injury.

1303
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 7: But yeah, it ends up being a real I mean,

1304
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 7: obviously some of it's luck you never think in a

1305
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 7: million years that that's going to happen. They did make

1306
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 7: the move before before the finals ended, before Haliburton got hurt.

1307
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 7: But yeah, it looks genius in retrospect, and it looks

1308
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 7: great in retrospect because I mean, you don't know how

1309
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 7: high they're going to pick, but you have a pretty

1310
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 7: good sense it's not gonna be twenty eight. You know

1311
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 7: it's not gonna be twenty six. You know, it's definitely

1312
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 7: even if they do a great job of coming back

1313
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 7: and you know, like get into the play in or

1314
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 7: something like that, you're still looking at fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,

1315
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 7: you know, somewhere in that range, you know, fifteen to eighteen,

1316
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 7: somewhere in that range, and it could be top five,

1317
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 7: and it could you know, could be top ten, It

1318
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 7: could be top three if the lottery balls go your

1319
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 7: way and they don't make it in. So yeah, it

1320
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 7: looks it's a terrific look and move At this point,

1321
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 7: I mean just just seems like like someone had an

1322
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 7: intuition or something.

1323
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: Do they need to start And I know it's early,

1324
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: but if things continue at this rate, this level and

1325
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: these minutes logged, do they need to start taking a

1326
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: look at scaling back and rotationally, getting Pascal Siakam more

1327
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: time to catch his breath, so to speak.

1328
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 4: I mean, they do.

1329
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 7: It's been a it's been a it's been a tough deal,

1330
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 7: you know, for them to make to decide on this

1331
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 7: stuff and then figure out what to do and how

1332
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 7: to balance everything. You know, I don't think you get

1333
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 7: to the point there. These guys are too proud right

1334
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 7: now because they're still not far removed from an NBA finals,

1335
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 7: you know, the guys that have been a part of this,

1336
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 7: and even like like Jeris Walker, but like definitely Siakam

1337
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 7: and the Smith are not ready to be like, oh,

1338
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 7: you know, I'm okay with playing twenty eight minutes in

1339
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 7: a game and you know, be plus twelve when I'm

1340
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 7: on the floor and end up losing by fifteen. You know, like,

1341
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 7: I don't think Seakam is not ready for that. You know,

1342
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 7: is not ready for that. You know, Jeris Walker's not

1343
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 7: ready for that. Shepherd's not ready for that. Any of

1344
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 7: the guys that are available aren't ready to pack it

1345
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 7: in like that. And it'll be a bad scene in

1346
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 7: the locker room if it happens. But you know, he does.

1347
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 7: They do have to be smart with him, just trying

1348
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 7: to get him by, and you know Carlile is aware

1349
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 7: of that. But there are ways away from you know,

1350
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 7: pack it in circumstance. But you know, for now, for

1351
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 7: a while, they're going to try to keep feeding Seacim

1352
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 7: as much as they can and try to get some

1353
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 7: of these wins just to keep themselves in some kind

1354
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 7: of striking distance runverybody else comes back.

1355
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: Dustin appreciate the time. As always, we'll be looking at

1356
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: the coverage Pacers tonight, trying to make sure that the

1357
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: Nets remain winless game at Gambridge Field House. Eddie, you

1358
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: get underway at what time tonight, six thirty six thirty

1359
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: for the radio broadcast. Dustin appreciate it absolutely. Thanks for

1360
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: having me us joining us on the Indianapolis Star Java

1361
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: House Healing poor guest line from the start, it is

1362
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: Dustin on the program. We come back football this weekend.

1363
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: You know about the Colts taking off and heading to Germany,

1364
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: but it's not to say there's not big time action

1365
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: and a team that is red hot, a team that

1366
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: is getting ready to put the cap on their home season,

1367
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: and a team that is doing so with the player

1368
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: on the roster that is the raining player of the

1369
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: week within the league in which they play. They're head

1370
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: coach Ted Carris joins us next. What we were just

1371
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: talking about the fact that the Pacers tonight taking on

1372
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: the Brooklean Nets at Gambridge Field House, the Nets looking

1373
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: for their first win, and I believe that's the case

1374
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: for the opponent for Marion in their home finale coming

1375
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: up on Saturday. The night's taken on Judson. It is

1376
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: Military Appreciation Day and Senior Day for Marion coming up

1377
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: at one oh five at the Saint Vincent Ascension Field

1378
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: over on the west side on the Marion campus. And

1379
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: their head coach Ted Kerris joining us now and Marion

1380
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: on the other side, winners of eight straight and rolling

1381
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: along and coach, let's begin with this a little bit

1382
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: of hardware for your guys, right, because I obviously am

1383
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: aware of the fact that Keiga lebel to find performance

1384
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: and as a result of that getting awarded with the

1385
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: Mid State Football Association Midwest Player of the Week, if

1386
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, So solid effort for that young.

1387
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,959
Speaker 8: Man, Yes, indeed, and Chris the old line as well. Yes,

1388
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 8: Keegan again gets the player of the week. He set

1389
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 8: a record here at Marion University nineteen rushing touchdowns in

1390
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 8: the regular season with two to go, he surpassed Charles

1391
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 8: Salary and the great Tevin Lake, who's in the Hall

1392
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 8: of Fame, who I got the coach so very deserving,

1393
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 8: hell of a running back, great person. And our offensive

1394
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 8: line is blocking pretty darn good as well.

1395
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you look at that, and I want to

1396
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: get to a couple of just I guess football questions

1397
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: in general for you, but let's begin with this. When

1398
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: you've got a player like that and you know that

1399
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: you have that kind of a line in front of you,

1400
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: are you at the style and at the you know,

1401
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: obviously at this point towards the end of the year

1402
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: in the home finale, but where you say this is

1403
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: how we're going to play, come and get us, or

1404
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: do you still kind of make schematic adjustments based on

1405
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: opponent from one week to the next.

1406
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 8: No, definitely still making schematic adjustments. You know, the last

1407
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 8: couple of weeks, we've really been getting the box stacked

1408
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 8: against us, so we have to make those kinds of adjustments,

1409
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 8: so you know, they're putting a little bit more in

1410
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 8: the box than maybe we can block with our formations

1411
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 8: at times.

1412
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 4: So no, we definitely have to stay ahead of the

1413
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 4: game and keep.

1414
01:08:58,800 --> 01:08:59,799
Speaker 5: Scheming and keep.

1415
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 8: Having alternatives if that's the case, if they want to

1416
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 8: do that, and you.

1417
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: Know, with that and you've gotten and we've talked about this,

1418
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: you know before, but in terms of your leadership, and

1419
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 1: I guess senior leadership as well, I mean, you've gotten

1420
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 1: really good quarterback play from a guy that has been

1421
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: around for a while at the college game in Tristan

1422
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: Polk and his ability to move the football around. That's

1423
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: got to give you some piece, I would think offensively

1424
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: in terms of what you want to do.

1425
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 8: Absolutely, No, he's done a hell of a job and

1426
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 8: a lot of our seniors have as well. And we

1427
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 8: get a pretty big senior class, which is starting to

1428
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 8: be rare in this day and age of college football.

1429
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 8: You know, we have about thirty eight guys that are

1430
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 8: going to walk on Saturday afternoon, and they really have

1431
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,440
Speaker 8: done a good job of leading and also like policing

1432
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 8: the team, you know, SOLF, so I don't have to

1433
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 8: be the chief discipline aeron all the time.

1434
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 5: They're on top of guys.

1435
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,759
Speaker 8: And when you have that kind of chemistry on your team,

1436
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 8: usually good things happen.

1437
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting you mentioned that coach because and

1438
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: I realized that the NAIA level, I think. I think

1439
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people say to themselves in the transfer

1440
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: portal nil era that doesn't bleed down into say the

1441
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 1: NIA the Naia or the Marion level. But I think

1442
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: that's untrue because I think there are a lot of

1443
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: guys that even still. You know, I know that Pat Knight,

1444
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: you're you know who on the basketball side of things

1445
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: at Marion. He's told us before. Part of getting some

1446
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: kids to go there is, hey, look, you might have

1447
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: been in the recruiting cycle. Feel overlooked. Now let me

1448
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: help you get to where you want to be. You

1449
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: have to balance those things, I realize. But is it

1450
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: becoming harder to get a senior class like that that

1451
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: can be the leadership and as you talk about, be

1452
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: an extension of the coaching staff. Is that becoming harder

1453
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: and harder to do because of the lack of cohesion

1454
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: that you get with guys staying for a four year period.

1455
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 8: Yes, absolutely, it's getting harder and harder to do. And yes,

1456
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 8: our level is getting pilfered from the higher levels. If

1457
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 8: you do well at this level, especially at the lead level.

1458
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 8: You you know, a lot of guys go to Division one.

1459
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 8: So the guy that comes in and works his way up,

1460
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 8: you know, for two three years and gets the start

1461
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 8: as a senior, you know, those days are kind of

1462
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 8: dying a little bit, I'll say, you know, so it

1463
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 8: is getting harder in that realm for sure.

1464
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: How do you balance coach? When you get a kid

1465
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying all your kids are this way,

1466
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: but when you get a young player that you know

1467
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: and you tap into the fuel of them maybe running

1468
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,719
Speaker 1: with a chip or be or something to prove okay,

1469
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: because they feel like in the recruiting cycle maybe that

1470
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 1: there was you know, they wanted to go D one

1471
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. And you can tap into

1472
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: that and you can really ride that. But at the

1473
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 1: same time, you want to make sure that their focus

1474
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: is still on where they are currently. Is there a

1475
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 1: balancing act that has to take place there?

1476
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, there is a little bit.

1477
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 8: But one thing I think and I have some of

1478
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 8: that on my team. You know, even in some of

1479
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 8: the recruiting process, from a few transfers that came in,

1480
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 8: you know, their goal was to go back to D one.

1481
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 8: So I'm like, Okay, well you do a great job

1482
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 8: here and we'll see what happens. So but no, I

1483
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 8: mean everyone's really focused on the season. I feel on

1484
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 8: this team in twenty twenty five, and you know, whenever

1485
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 8: it ends, and hopefully it's in the late December, you know,

1486
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 8: then we have to deal with that.

1487
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 1: Then, Mary and head coach Tech Karas our guest Java

1488
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: House Peel and poor guest line nights on Saturday one

1489
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: five over at Marion against Judson on Senior Night and

1490
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 1: Military Appreciation Day. Coach, I wanted to get your thoughts

1491
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: on this. We've talked a lot about this on the

1492
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: show this week, just football in general. When you look

1493
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: at a defensive ability to get to the quarterback in

1494
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: your mind, okay, can a really elite cornerback group offset

1495
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 1: a lack of executing defensive line or is it more

1496
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: so that a really elite defensive line can offset an

1497
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: otherwise lackluster cornerback room, which one more feeds off the other.

1498
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 8: I think it starts with a deep line, and we

1499
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 8: me and my son talk about this a lot too,

1500
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 8: that there's only one position group that can really wreck

1501
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 8: a game more than any other, and that is a

1502
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 8: defensive line. If you're getting pressure, they ain't even getting

1503
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 8: you know, the ball off, So that's a great thing.

1504
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 8: So I think the defensive line being able to wreck

1505
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 8: a game, being able to get pressure, being able to

1506
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 8: get sacks is huge.

1507
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the reason I ask it, I'm sure you

1508
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: know is you know, with the Colts going out and

1509
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: getting an elite corner, you know, their pass rush is

1510
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: one they just keep trying to turn that wick up

1511
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: on it, right, And and I think if you're not

1512
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: able to go out and get for example, your son

1513
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: Ted Harris with Cincinnati, there was a lot of discussion

1514
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,520
Speaker 1: about the guys that we've seen coming to lou Anarumo's

1515
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 1: defense coming from Cincinnati, but now getting Sauce Gardner, how

1516
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 1: much that can help the pass rush of just making

1517
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,839
Speaker 1: sure that you're trying to facilitate coverage sacks, so to speak.

1518
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,799
Speaker 1: I would think from an offensive line standpoint, it becomes

1519
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: tough when you know that your quarterback's just got to

1520
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: have that much longer in the pocket.

1521
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 8: Right, absolutely, Yes, absolutely, I thought I thought the blue

1522
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:06,879
Speaker 8: was going to come after Trey Hendrickson too.

1523
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:08,799
Speaker 1: Right, well, I think there was a lot of discussion

1524
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: of that, right, your son got him to stick around.

1525
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 1: I guess is what it was, right, talked to him

1526
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: into state. Who knows, right, Although it takes two to tango,

1527
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: we know that right. Absolutely, Hey, you guys are getting set. Look,

1528
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,719
Speaker 1: Marion is accustomed to being and I think with any team,

1529
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: with any franchise or program, you want guys to have

1530
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: an expectation. And the reality is that Marion football. When

1531
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 1: a player goes to Marion, there's the expectation that they're

1532
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: going to be playing beyond just the conference, the regular season,

1533
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, the national championship or into the playoffs. You

1534
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,799
Speaker 1: guys stand at eight and one, you've won eight straight.

1535
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 1: Clearly I would assume that you like where you're playing.

1536
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 1: But what is the coaching strategy of staying focused here

1537
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: to finish strong, but also knowing what's around the corner

1538
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: for them because you got Saint Xavier after.

1539
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 8: That right on. No, No, we have to stay humble

1540
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 8: and hungry. I talk about that all the time to

1541
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 8: the team. We have to stay humble and hungry and

1542
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 8: take each day at a time and each play at

1543
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 8: a time comes Saturday.

1544
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 5: So we can't lose focus. We can't look ahead.

1545
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 8: We got to focus on the task. At hand, and

1546
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 8: you know, we have a proponent coming in that wants

1547
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 8: to take something from us this Saturday, and we have

1548
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:20,759
Speaker 8: to make sure that doesn't happen.

1549
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: What's the area that is keeping you up at night?

1550
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 8: See that's a good question, don't I don't know if

1551
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 8: anything's really keeping me up at night necessarily. I mean,

1552
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 8: just you know, maybe defending this this group right here.

1553
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 8: You mentioned they are winless, but they have some really

1554
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 8: good skill guys. They have some really good receivers and

1555
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,879
Speaker 8: as you know we were talking about earlier, I am

1556
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 8: plooring to our defensive line. We have to pressure this

1557
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 8: quarterback and sack them. So I guess that's that that

1558
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 8: keeps me up at night. Really good skilled players for

1559
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 8: the other team.

1560
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:50,600
Speaker 4: You know.

1561
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 1: The other side of that, coach is it does appear

1562
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 1: as though, as we talked about that, you've got some

1563
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: offensive balance and you can you can hit teams in

1564
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 1: a couple of different ways, and defensively you're playing very well.

1565
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: But what area of your football team if the last

1566
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: time that we talked, for example, what was an area

1567
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: that maybe was of concern or that you had question

1568
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: about that you have been pleasantly surprised by that is

1569
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: at a higher level than what you anticipated.

1570
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 8: That's a good question. Well, we had stints of it,

1571
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 8: but not totally throughout the season. Is really starting fast

1572
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 8: the last two weeks we haven't, So that's been bothered

1573
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 8: somebody before that we really got off the good fast starts.

1574
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 8: I think that's important because you could bury teams early

1575
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 8: and not give them hope. And that's one thing that

1576
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 8: we have to do this Saturday.

1577
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,879
Speaker 1: You got off to a good start. Obviously against Saint Francis,

1578
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: you blanked them forty nine nothing. They're ranked so too,

1579
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 1: all of that Nazarene that you followed up with in

1580
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 1: a shootout, and then Saint Francis and now it is

1581
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,839
Speaker 1: Judson coming up on Saturday one o'clock and then fingers crossed.

1582
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 1: Now what has to happen for you to make sure

1583
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: that you are definitively in the playoffs or are you.

1584
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 8: In now definitively in in the nai if you win

1585
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 8: your conference outright? So that's that's the thirteen teams and

1586
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 8: the thirteen conferences. Whoever wins their conference outright. So we

1587
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 8: got to win these next two games, and then what

1588
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 8: comes after that is there's a whole new criteria with

1589
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,759
Speaker 8: performance index and all this in the seven at large bids.

1590
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 8: But if we can win the next two games, we

1591
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 8: are definitively in.

1592
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: So you win. That's what you preach to your guys.

1593
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 1: Man control it, right, don't put the destiny in somebody

1594
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: else's hands.

1595
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 8: Right, absolutely, absolutely well.

1596
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 1: Coach, I'll tell you what we're going to talk to

1597
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 1: you during the playoffs because I got a feeling you're

1598
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: going to be. I don't want to jinx anything. I

1599
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: don't want to jinx anything, but we'll talk to you

1600
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: at that time and again Saturday one o'clock. It is

1601
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: the home finale, taken on Judson Military Appreciation Day one

1602
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: oh five PM and Senior Day as well. Coach, appreciate

1603
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 1: the time as always, Best of luck. All right, I

1604
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: appreciate you, Jake, thank you. I tech caris joining us

1605
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: from Marion and the Knights one oh five. That's a great,

1606
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: great facility over there. And I'm telling you every time

1607
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: I drive past, I just play golf. I don't know,

1608
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,799
Speaker 1: maybe a month ago, right across the street and literally

1609
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: like you hit a shot, you look up up and

1610
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 1: there's a new building up. I mean, the campus continues

1611
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: to grow. Mary and continues to grow, and that football

1612
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 1: program is certainly representative of that. All Right, PACER's an

1613
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: action time, Brooklyn. We talked about that, But back into

1614
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: the big news from yesterday from the Colts and who

1615
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: may or may not be available coming up in Berlin.

1616
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: Will take a look at all of it here as

1617
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 1: we roll on Querying Company ninety three five one to

1618
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 1: seventy five to the fan.

1619
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 6: What.

1620
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 1: Colts are set to head to Berlin to take on

1621
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons, Eddie, I actually think and you tell

1622
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: me if I'm overthinking it, which is you know, I'm

1623
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: guilty of that on many many occasions. But I think

1624
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: Atlanta is we talk about this. We haven't done this

1625
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 1: in a while. And before we get into you know who,

1626
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: we're keeping an eye on Taekwon Lewis, for example, on

1627
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: their availability in this game.

1628
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 2: I believe Shane Steiken said at his press conference today

1629
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 2: that Taekwon Lewis will not practice today, okay, and that

1630
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 2: Sauce Gardner will practice today, is trying to exit the

1631
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 2: concussion protocol. And then Samson ebucom will not practice either

1632
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 2: today for the Colts. Those are the three that I

1633
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:17,560
Speaker 2: can remember.

1634
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: When looking at the NFL right now, and I think

1635
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:27,640
Speaker 1: we're at the point. Would you agree with this? You know,

1636
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: we're at the halfway mark in terms of the season itself,

1637
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: we're just half you know, just passed it depending on

1638
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: who's head buy and who hasn't. But you got a

1639
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: pretty good idea now of who's who right Atlanta to

1640
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: me is one of those teams that's still even still

1641
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 1: at three and five. There's very little about three and

1642
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 1: five that jumps out at you. But they give me

1643
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of pause because I I it in

1644
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: my mind defensively in particular, I think they have the

1645
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 1: ability on defense to keep you in check a little bit. Now.

1646
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: The Colts offense has been very, very good. Obviously, we

1647
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: saw in Pittsburgh the deficiency of protecting the quarterback, and

1648
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: you want to make sure, for Daniel Jones in particular,

1649
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: that that is indeed the anomaly and not the norm.

1650
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: They have a ton of weapons, do the Colts on offense?

1651
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: But Atlanta in general? Would you agree with me? And

1652
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 1: feel free to disagree, Eddie, They are one that if

1653
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 1: I had to look at teams right now in terms

1654
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: of their record, that seems to least represent who they

1655
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 1: can be Atlanta is one to me that jumps out.

1656
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 2: They are the most inconsistent team in all football. Yeah,

1657
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 2: they are consistently inconsistent. Like They've got the players on

1658
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 2: offense to be explosive to be really good with Bijon Robinson,

1659
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts, and Drake London. Then you mix in Darnell Mooney,

1660
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 2: who's a solid vertical receiver that gets downfield behind the

1661
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 2: defense is to kind of force pressure and open up

1662
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 2: things underneath for that offense. It's just been a lot

1663
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 2: of inconsistencies. With Michael Pennix junior. Is Denver really good

1664
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 2: at seven and two? There was expectation that they could

1665
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 2: be a team that was vying for that division this

1666
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 2: offseason leading up to the year because of the success

1667
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 2: down the stretch they had last year with bow Knicks

1668
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 2: and the expectation that he would take another step forward

1669
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 2: in year number two in the NFL, and that defense

1670
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 2: is one of the best defenses in the league.

1671
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 1: Is New England legitimately good at seven and two? I

1672
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 1: think they are a very We're a surprise team. I

1673
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: think they're a good football team. They don't make a

1674
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,839
Speaker 1: lot of mistakes. When they do, they play complimentary football,

1675
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: and the defense picks up the offense in those situations.

1676
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 1: Drake May is one of the most accurate quarterbacks in

1677
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 1: the National Football League. He doesn't put the ball in

1678
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 1: harms way a ton. He's mobile in the pocket. I said,

1679
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: I think it was last week or two weeks ago.

1680
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 1: He's starting to.

1681
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 2: Remind me a little bit of Aaron Rodgers of when

1682
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers was in his heyday in Green Bay, just

1683
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 2: because of the mobility in the pocket, the ability to

1684
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 2: just kind of fling the football with the wrist and

1685
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 2: you know, put it twenty thirty yards down the field.

1686
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 2: He's the most accurate quarterback right now in the NFL

1687
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 2: when it comes to deep throws beyond twenty yards. The

1688
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 2: only thing that I have a little bit of hesitation

1689
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 2: with that offense still, even though Drake May's playing well,

1690
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: is just their pass catchers and who's going to be

1691
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,600
Speaker 2: the guy moving forward that they can rely on a

1692
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 2: week to week basis. Is it Da Mario, Pop Douglas,

1693
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 2: is it Stefan Diggs? Is it Hunter Henry? And then

1694
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 2: they spend a second round pick on Treveon Henderson and

1695
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 2: they have not been able to get him going in

1696
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 2: the run game, and right now, Romadre Stevenson, they're starting

1697
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 2: running back, is injured. I think they're very solid up

1698
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 2: front as well, with Will Campbell at left tackle. And

1699
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 2: you know, defensively, that defensive line is pretty good too.

1700
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 1: Okay, let me give you teams that are on the

1701
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:48,759
Speaker 1: outside looking in right now in terms of the playoffs,

1702
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 1: and you tell me which one you feel like, if any,

1703
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: is most prone to be able to get things going

1704
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: and jump started here you ready, Okay? I mean I

1705
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 1: think we can safely say the Jet It's the Titans,

1706
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, Ugh, and probably the Browns and Raiders. But Sincy, Baltimore, Houston,

1707
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 1: any of those to you? What's that?

1708
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 2: The obvious and the easy answer is Baltimore. They're three

1709
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 2: and five already, They're still the favorite to win their division.

1710
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 2: I mean, their two losses back of Pittsburgh, it's crazy,

1711
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 2: isn't it. Yeah, And the schedule for Baltimore does ease

1712
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 2: up a little bit. They've got Minnesota this week, Cleveland,

1713
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 2: New York, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, New England, Green Bay, Pittsburgh.

1714
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 2: So like they have a lot of divisional games coming

1715
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 2: up and a lot of non conference or non divisional

1716
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 2: games that are a little bit easier for them to

1717
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 2: get some wins.

1718
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 1: Let me give you, let me give you a quartet

1719
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 1: of teams in the NFC, and you tell me which

1720
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 1: of the real ones is going to step up? Stand

1721
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: up here? You ready? Chicago, Carolina, Minnesota, and Detroit. I

1722
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 1: think we know is pretty good, right, Yeah, Chicago, Carolina, Minnesota.

1723
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: Which of those is the one that can hang around

1724
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: the longest? Minnesota? I still think it's Minnesota, even though

1725
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is their quarterback, because I still believe in

1726
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: Aidan O'Connell. The roster itself is still one of the

1727
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 1: best in the NFL. And as if McCarthy can do

1728
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 1: what he did in Detroit, go on the road and

1729
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,759
Speaker 1: pick up a win there, I think there's the recipe

1730
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 1: for the Vikings to be another playoff team once again. Okay, Now,

1731
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:27,959
Speaker 1: biggest disappointment so far Cincinnati or Washington.

1732
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 2: See it's hard for me to say Washington just because

1733
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 2: they Jane Daniels hasn't been able to stay healthy.

1734
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: Well, how about Cincinnati, same thing.

1735
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 2: See, here's the thing, though, nothing's changed from last year

1736
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 2: from them, Like they had this explosive offense and Joe

1737
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 2: Burrow was the best quarterback in the NFL, Jamar, Chase

1738
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 2: t Higgins, Chase Brown, nothing changed. The defense was a

1739
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:51,560
Speaker 2: three letter word I don't want to say on the

1740
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 2: radio last year. And that three letter word is even

1741
01:24:55,400 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 2: more four letter No. I think the three you can

1742
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 2: say if I don't want to say it, though, But

1743
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 2: if you're going with donkey, right, yeah, donkey, they're more

1744
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 2: donkey this year than they were last week. Just say

1745
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 2: that donkey. Yeah, they're more donkey this year than they

1746
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 2: were last year. So to me, it's not surprising that

1747
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 2: stood a donkey and a mule. I should not have

1748
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 2: said donkey because now we're on this kind.

1749
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: Of like earlier, we're talking about sauce gardner. Right, we

1750
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 1: know this, We know that all sauces are condiments, but

1751
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: not all condiments are sauces. If it's chunky, it's a condiment,

1752
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 1: but not a sauce because the sauce has to be

1753
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 1: a liquid. So all sauces are condiments, but not all

1754
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: conniments are sauces. Now, and the other thing with that,

1755
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 1: I think this is right. All mules are donkeys, but

1756
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 1: not all donkeys or mules because somehow or another there's

1757
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 1: ass that comes into play, right, and I know JAKEO.

1758
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago we were riding off Houston.

1759
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: They started to figure things out a little bit. They

1760
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 1: beat San Francisco. They are or they are.

1761
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 2: Competitive This past week they have a couple of easy

1762
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 2: games coming up. They have Jacksonville, Tennessee Colts twice, Arizona

1763
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 2: in Vegas?

1764
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:01,640
Speaker 8: Or?

1765
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 1: Was he just a little horse that that e Or?

1766
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: Do you know?

1767
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 4: Uh?

1768
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 1: So Houston could be another team to look out on.

1769
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: I think he was stretched he was if I'm he

1770
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 1: couldn't have been sure surely he wasn't an ass. I

1771
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: think he was well liked that e Or?

1772
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 4: Right?

1773
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 1: Wasn't he friends with the piglet or something? Do you know?

1774
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 1: And the mule works hard and e Or seemed like

1775
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: he was always just kind of hanging out. Does it

1776
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 1: say what he is? Can you look up e Or?

1777
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: Which is the challenge then is going to be can

1778
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 1: you spell e Or?

1779
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 2: I'm still interested in San Francisco to see how they look, Jake,

1780
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:38,639
Speaker 2: because they're gonna start getting healthy too, getting healthy too.

1781
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 1: You think Mike knows that Mike Nisileik? Did I say

1782
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: the last name correctly? Mike from the Bloomington Herald Times

1783
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: because Indiana gets underway tonight. Perdue was underway last night,

1784
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 1: the Boilers big over Evansville UH Indiana college football rankings,

1785
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 1: Indiana in basketball both we can talk about with Michael.

1786
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:58,440
Speaker 1: We'll do it next.

1787
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 8: Eddie.

1788
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: Did you watch much last night of number one Purdue

1789
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 1: and Evansville?

1790
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 2: I watched a little bit of it before the College

1791
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 2: Football Playoff pairing or pairing show, seating show, seating, show

1792
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 2: ranking show, whatever we're calling it.

1793
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 1: The college Football Playoff unveiling. How's that? There?

1794
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 5: We go?

1795
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1796
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 1: I still don't understand the whole non conference aspect of

1797
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 1: this or whatever. Do you remember the year? Like? Why

1798
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: how is Memphis involved in this? Isn't it the highest

1799
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: seated non power five gets invited to the party type thing?

1800
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 1: I suppose do you remember the year? And I can't

1801
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 1: remember which year it was that on Selection Sunday they

1802
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 1: decided to do a different format in terms of the

1803
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 1: unveiling of teams. And they did this long drawn out

1804
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 1: like an hour and a half, it might have been

1805
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:55,759
Speaker 1: two hours special and literally people were flipping over cars

1806
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 1: on the street. Are you talking like back in your

1807
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 1: day or no? This was six or eight years ago maybe,

1808
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 1: and then they realized it was a colossal mistake, and

1809
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 1: so they went back to just doing it the regular

1810
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 1: way of the late great Greg Gumbele, who was synonymous

1811
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: with Selection Sunday, just unveiling the teams and getting right

1812
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 1: to it. And last night felt that way with the

1813
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: college football unveil of just like, just get to it. Man,

1814
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 1: You know, I don't need the historical aspect history of

1815
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 1: Oklahoma football, like, let's just get on with it here.

1816
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 1: But joining us now who probably feels exactly that way

1817
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: while waiting for me to get to him. Mike Nyasaik

1818
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: from the Bloomington Herald Times is the Indiana beat writer

1819
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 1: Indiana in action tonight in basketball taking on Alabama A

1820
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 1: and M football. Of course, they now know they are

1821
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 1: the number two seed. Mike, do you remember which year

1822
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 1: it was or does that even ring a bell of

1823
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about with the drawn out Selection Sunday show.

1824
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 9: I don't remember which year, but I think they came

1825
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 9: out and apologized the next day, and so they would

1826
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 9: never do it that way again.

1827
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 1: So I didn't dream this up, right, This didn't hep

1828
01:28:58,080 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 1: Oh No, I remember that?

1829
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:02,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, no, it was not well received and they said

1830
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,600
Speaker 9: like the next day was like we we aired and

1831
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 9: we will not be doing that again.

1832
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: That's right, that's correct, Yes, all right, Mike, I will

1833
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: let you take your pick here. Football, basketball, you'd like

1834
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 1: to start with? Which dealers?

1835
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 9: Tricee Man, I mean, it's all, it's all happening, right,

1836
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 9: I'll be in going from the basketball game to night,

1837
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 9: to Penn State on Saturday, then back to Chicago at

1838
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 9: the United Center for more basketball on Sundays. It's a wild.

1839
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 1: Time, okay, So we'll begin with basketball. We'll go chronologically.

1840
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna be there tonight, Mike. I'm going to

1841
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 1: seek you out to come up and say hi, and

1842
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 1: I will give you five bucks when I'm walking up

1843
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: to you if you actually recognize me upon walking up, right,

1844
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 1: because I don't believe we've met in person, but we

1845
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,640
Speaker 1: will listen. I know that obviously from Alabama A and

1846
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 1: M's standpoint, you know, we see this with games where

1847
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,759
Speaker 1: teams come up, they take a huge pay check from

1848
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: an athletic department. It helps out Alabama A and M.

1849
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 1: And from Indiana standpoint, it gives perhaps Darren to raise

1850
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: an opportunity to try out different combinations, et cetera. We

1851
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 1: will expect to see Indiana trying to play in what

1852
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,719
Speaker 1: style that he wants to get us used to tonight.

1853
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I think it's certainly you know, you push

1854
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 9: the pace not necessarily means transition, but I think shots

1855
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,639
Speaker 9: kind of early in the shot clock, you know, heavy

1856
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 9: volume of three point shooting. I think the kind of

1857
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 9: key And it goes back to even how the women's

1858
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 9: team wants to play. You know what these these coaches,

1859
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 9: Terry and Darren both kind of stresses a defensive identity.

1860
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 9: Is that no matter how what happens on offense and

1861
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 9: whether if the shots are falling or not, is that

1862
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 9: they want to see focused, They want to see effort.

1863
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 9: And I think that'll be important for this team, this

1864
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 9: men's team, especially since you know there's gonna be nights

1865
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 9: whether the shots are not falling. I think this team

1866
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 9: is a talented group of three point shooters like up

1867
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 9: and down the roster, but the Knights that those aren't falling,

1868
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 9: what do you do? How do you win games? That's defense?

1869
01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 9: And so I think and they're gonna need to pull

1870
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,719
Speaker 9: out some fifth fifty games to sort of make the tournament,

1871
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 9: and so I think that's what you kind of look

1872
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 9: for in these games against these lesser opponents, to be

1873
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 9: able to hold them down, to able to build that identity,

1874
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 9: and to be able to point to that when you

1875
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 9: kind of get to the big ten play. This is

1876
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 9: the blueprint. This is how we need to play, whether

1877
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 9: the shots are falling or not. I think the offense

1878
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 9: is going to be kind of I think you're going

1879
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 9: to see, you know, except what we saw kind of

1880
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 9: against Baylor. We saw those exhibition games with the reporters

1881
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:26,759
Speaker 9: that went to puert Rico, saw you know, high volume

1882
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:29,680
Speaker 9: three point shooting, up tempo. But I think that what

1883
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 9: it's going to come down to for this Indiana team

1884
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 9: is that defensive identity.

1885
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: Mike Nisilik is our guest from the Bloomington Herald Times.

1886
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: He is on the Java House Peel and poor guest line.

1887
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 1: Use the code one oh seven to five to the

1888
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:43,679
Speaker 1: fan or either my first or last name at Java

1889
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: House to go to the fan bundle.

1890
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 4: Mike.

1891
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 1: The offense for Indiana, and I know and I've heard that,

1892
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, they're going to want to move

1893
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 1: the ball around and get quick into the shot clock

1894
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: with a three point shot. Does that mean that they

1895
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 1: are are in preference of having five three point shooters

1896
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: on the floor at any time or is it rather

1897
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 1: an offense that simply facilitates to the two to three

1898
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 1: shooters they have on the floor.

1899
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 9: Well, I think it's four at a minimum basically, and

1900
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 9: Reed Bailey's got some range, but he's a guy that

1901
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 9: moves really well, and I think the strength of his

1902
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 9: game is sort of his passing ability to make cuts

1903
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 9: off and on the offensive side. Basically, he's not going

1904
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 9: to be like a necessarily a defensive kind of rim

1905
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 9: protector stopper. That's kind of going to be probably Sam

1906
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 9: Allexis's job. But it's four guys basically that all can shoot.

1907
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 9: You know, at any given time off the bench, you're

1908
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 9: gonna have shooters, you know. Nick Dorn he talked about

1909
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 9: kind of being, you know, coming back from this injury

1910
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 9: as a guy that they've seen in practice sort of

1911
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 9: you know, hit four in a row and be kind

1912
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 9: of that instant offense off the bench transistently has ranged.

1913
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 9: I think we saw that in the exhibition where he's

1914
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 9: shooting threes from the corner. So like anywhere you go

1915
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 9: on the roster, you look at it and even Sam

1916
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Speaker 9: al Lexis is not going to be afraid to put

1917
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Speaker 9: up a three point shot. You know, maybe not going

1918
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Speaker 9: to go in every time, but look, they've got guys

1919
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Speaker 9: that have touch and and basically I asked him at

1920
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Speaker 9: Big Ten media Days, or I think it was maybe

1921
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 9: Lamar Wilkers. It's like everybody's got a green light in

1922
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 9: this offense. Like there's no no bad shot. Maybe there's

1923
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 9: a bad shot, but the idea is not to give

1924
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 9: anybody a hard time for trying to take what the

1925
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 9: coaching staff says is a good shot. And so I

1926
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 9: think you're gonna see that manifest itself in a lot

1927
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Speaker 9: of attempts, a lot of you know, any open look

1928
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Speaker 9: that this team's gonna take. You know, this is not

1929
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Speaker 9: a Mike Woodson team where those numbers were just really

1930
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:30,680
Speaker 9: really down at the bottom of the NCAAA. This is

1931
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Speaker 9: a team that's gonna shoot. They've got shooters, and it's

1932
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Speaker 9: not just the frontline group that the bench is gonna

1933
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 9: They're gonna, you know, bring guys off the bench that

1934
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Speaker 9: can shoot as well. So I think you're gonna see,

1935
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Speaker 9: you know, it's it's gonna be a constant for this team.

1936
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Speaker 1: How will they be defensively? You know, in terms of

1937
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: I've heard that at least early on from people that

1938
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Speaker 1: have watched them practice that they are very defensively intense.

1939
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Speaker 1: Is that a fair statement?

1940
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

1941
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Speaker 9: I think you see the shape of it, right, And

1942
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 9: that like that goes back to what I was saying earlier,

1943
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:02,679
Speaker 9: so that if this team is going to be successful,

1944
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 9: it's going to be them doing the little things.

1945
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Speaker 4: You know.

1946
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Speaker 9: I think in the exhibition in Tucker Devver, he's made

1947
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 9: you know, the biggest years he got was two steals

1948
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:11,759
Speaker 9: at mid court and they were just like just straight

1949
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 9: hustle plays, right, those are the plays they're gonna need

1950
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 9: because they do have some deficiencies just based on how

1951
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 9: the roster is constructed. They don't have much size. I

1952
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 9: talked about Reed Bailey great on the offensive end, but

1953
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 9: he's you know, defensive liability, especially against the bigger roster,

1954
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 9: and so like when they go up against that's not

1955
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:30,560
Speaker 9: gonna hurt them tonight, and it's probably not going to

1956
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:32,840
Speaker 9: hurt them through much of the non conference, but like

1957
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 9: when they get to the Big ten schedule, there's going

1958
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,680
Speaker 9: to be teams that that can beat up on Indiana

1959
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 9: in the low post that can they will be able to,

1960
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:42,559
Speaker 9: you know, get some easy baskets. And so what's the answer.

1961
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 9: You got to be good on the perimeter. You got

1962
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:45,639
Speaker 9: to make those hustle plays. You got to you know,

1963
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 9: get in passing lanes and do things like that. So

1964
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:49,640
Speaker 9: that's where I think this team could be successful. And

1965
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:51,639
Speaker 9: that's what you're talking about in terms of that day,

1966
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 9: in terms of communications, in terms of togetherness. That's what

1967
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 9: this team needs to show sort of on a nightly

1968
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 9: basis to sort of counter some of the limitations. Because look,

1969
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 9: when you all the roster, you know, completely new roster,

1970
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 9: you can't get everything right. There are going to be

1971
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 9: some you know, shortcomings, and one of their shortcomings I

1972
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 9: think is defensively in size and so and those kind

1973
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 9: of work together, Mike.

1974
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:14,840
Speaker 2: On Monday night, Don Fisher did his first coaches show

1975
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 2: of the year with Darren Devrees and Connor Enwright was

1976
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 2: on the show and I heard Don ask him a

1977
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,600
Speaker 2: question about just how they're trying to get you know,

1978
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 2: acclimated with one another coaster dealing with injuries. What injuries

1979
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 2: are the Hoosiers dealing with right now?

1980
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, so they've got four guys that we're out. Kind

1981
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 9: of throughout the preseason. Nick dorns expected to be back tonight.

1982
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 9: He got a good, you know clear I think from

1983
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 9: the doctors. He was kind of working his way back,

1984
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 9: and we as we kind of saw throughout the preseason

1985
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 9: making progress. Jason Drake Ristic, the one of the international

1986
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:52,080
Speaker 9: kids they signed, is going to be out, and then

1987
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 9: Josh Harris is going to be out. Those guys probably

1988
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 9: out to sometime in December, is kind of what the

1989
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 9: timeline Darren Debreeze said. So very limited number wise. You

1990
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 9: know you saw in the expression against Baylor they played

1991
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,719
Speaker 9: only really seven guys. Josie Miles only played one minute.

1992
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 9: He's a bit kind of their deeper bench guy. So

1993
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 9: you get dorn back, you're probably looking at an eight

1994
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 9: man rotation at most, and so they're going to have

1995
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 9: to do some things to balance minut's because you know,

1996
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 9: you've got the Marquette game, you got Louisville and Kentucky.

1997
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 9: You wont guy's fresh. You can't just burn through guys.

1998
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 9: That's gonna be tough to try to balance with only

1999
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 9: an eight man rotation for the first month season.

2000
01:36:31,439 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 1: So Mike, you're going from now I'm curious of this, okay,

2001
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm not going to be like

2002
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 1: stalking here. But so you go to the game tonight, right,

2003
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 1: and then you've got to get to State College. Now,

2004
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this or not, but

2005
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:46,519
Speaker 1: State College is actually about ten miles east of Katman Do.

2006
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 1: So it's not the easiest place to get to for

2007
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 1: Penn State. So you've got are you driving there? Are

2008
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 1: you flying there?

2009
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 4: No?

2010
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Speaker 9: So yes, Penn State's one of the more miserable places

2011
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 9: to get to in Big Ten because the hotel availability

2012
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 9: is not great, not great, I mean non existent. I'll

2013
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 9: be staying in Pittsburgh and driving You're just a you know,

2014
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 9: renting car and driving back and forth to the game

2015
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 9: and back. And then I will be flying out of

2016
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:14,280
Speaker 9: Pittsburgh to Chicago today early Sunday morning. He gets to

2017
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 9: the United Center for the basketball game and then driving

2018
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 9: back with a friend of the program, Zach Austerman. I'm

2019
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 9: hitching your ride with.

2020
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 1: Him, okay now, And by the way, I don't do

2021
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 1: you remember George Montgomery? Were you like, was George Montgomery

2022
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 1: around when when you pick yes, yeah, George usually look

2023
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 1: for him. He'll be hitchhiking because you'll see George. Also,

2024
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 1: Zach used to probably give him rides as well. We

2025
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 1: love George. Okay, football side of things, that game at

2026
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 1: Pennon State it was a almost a circle on your

2027
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 1: calendar game six weeks ago and hard to believe now,

2028
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 1: but that game with Penn State is like, okay, just

2029
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: don't stub your toe here, right. Is this a dangerous

2030
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 1: game for Kurt Signetti's group.

2031
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 9: Well, I mean historically speaking, it should be right. They've

2032
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 9: never won there, so I mean it's hard to overlook

2033
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:08,639
Speaker 9: that fact. I mean, then they're twenty five and two.

2034
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 9: I just do that. I had it up against Penn

2035
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 9: State all time. So but I mean, none of these

2036
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 9: players are really involved in that history. I mean a

2037
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:17,599
Speaker 9: handful of them were here two years ago when they

2038
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 9: lost at Penn State. But you know, those things don't

2039
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 9: mean as much. And this team is the team that's

2040
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 9: won on the road at Kenneck Stadium, pulled out a

2041
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 9: last minute win there and ended at eighteen, gave wind

2042
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 9: streak at Autsen and so I would say that it

2043
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 9: should be easier, especially you know, to me when you

2044
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 9: have a red shirt freshman at quarterback for Penn State

2045
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 9: Now that Drew Aller's out, a guy that's only made

2046
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 9: two career starts, and those are the only games he's played.

2047
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:46,600
Speaker 9: Significant steps snaps in. It's just at a disadvantage. I

2048
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 9: can't see them getting passed against the Brian Haynes defense.

2049
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 9: He throws too much at these guys. You saw it

2050
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 9: last week against Maryland where they were not very close

2051
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 9: outside of a scripted drive out of halftime. That quarterback

2052
01:38:57,960 --> 01:38:59,799
Speaker 9: was out of his depth. And that sort of happens

2053
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:02,040
Speaker 9: when you're facing Brian Haynes, whose he's throwing all these

2054
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 9: stunts that you at the front. He's throwing all these

2055
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,639
Speaker 9: simulated pressures. You don't know where you guys, where guys

2056
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 9: are coming from, you don't know who's dropping back and coverage,

2057
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:11,160
Speaker 9: and I mean the numbers this kid. You know, this

2058
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 9: kid might have a bright future Ethan Grunkmeyer, but in

2059
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 9: terms of what the experience level he has, it's just

2060
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 9: it's it's not gonna be pretty. I don't think for

2061
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 9: for Penn State, even though I won't necessarily be a blob,

2062
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 9: because look, they've got talents on both sides of the ball,

2063
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 9: and you've seen them kind of hang in these games.

2064
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 9: Here the last you know, three or four weeks, even

2065
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:34,720
Speaker 9: after the coaching change. But Indiana specifically, that defense I

2066
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 9: think is just gonna, you know, thrive against the quarterback

2067
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 9: that doesn't have experience, and this offense, nothing has really

2068
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 9: slowed them down yet.

2069
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:44,320
Speaker 1: You know, when I look at Kurt Signetti and this

2070
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 1: group of Indiana players, it seems to me, now I'm

2071
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:51,480
Speaker 1: gonna speak regular season. I can't speak for the stage

2072
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 1: for example of going into you know, I thought when

2073
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 1: they went into South Bend in the playoff a year ago,

2074
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 1: they were outclassed. I mean, I thought not Tre Dame

2075
01:39:59,880 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 1: was clearly a better team than Indiana. That's not a

2076
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:05,680
Speaker 1: knock on Indiana. Notre Dame was really good. But in

2077
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 1: the regular season it almost feels like Indiana is incapable

2078
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 1: of the trap game because, for whatever, kurtz Signetti, to

2079
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:18,040
Speaker 1: me from a coaching standpoint, seems to have this like

2080
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 1: lock in focus where it just is not possible for

2081
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:26,479
Speaker 1: guys to slip on focus. Am I giving him too

2082
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 1: much credit in that regard of his coaching acumen?

2083
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:31,720
Speaker 9: No, I think that's kind of been actually defined kind

2084
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:33,720
Speaker 9: of his success. They don't lose against teams that they're

2085
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 9: better than right, and that's usually the hall mark, you know,

2086
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:36,960
Speaker 9: Like you want to talk about how you get to

2087
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 9: Ohio state level, that's where it is, right, you blow

2088
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:42,640
Speaker 9: the teams that you're better than, you don't stumble and

2089
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:44,720
Speaker 9: so like. And that's what Kurt Signetti has done this

2090
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 9: two years. That's what he's done in the past at

2091
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 9: James Madison. His teams don't lose focus. His teams keep

2092
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 9: on the task at hand. And you know, they've just

2093
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 9: run up the scores, you mean, in recent weeks even

2094
01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:00,639
Speaker 9: when they necessarily haven't. You know, one game against Michigan

2095
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:04,240
Speaker 9: State didn't play their best defensively, next week offensively, they

2096
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:06,880
Speaker 9: had some issues kind of at the start, but they

2097
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:10,160
Speaker 9: still dominate these teams. And so I think it's exactly

2098
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 9: your point, right, he's got whatever he's figured out behind

2099
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 9: the scenes to keep his team's focused. That's been kind

2100
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:16,919
Speaker 9: of one of the definitions of his success.

2101
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:17,680
Speaker 4: You know.

2102
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 9: The only thing I disagree by it that Notre Dame game.

2103
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 9: They looked shook early but settled down. I would have

2104
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 9: been curious to see if that game would have been

2105
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 9: played on like a neutral field, what it would have

2106
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:28,679
Speaker 9: looked like. I think would have been closer. I don't

2107
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 9: necessarily think that Notre Dame had a ton more talent

2108
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 9: in Indiana, but they were more ready for that environment.

2109
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got the impression. And look, you know, I'm

2110
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:41,479
Speaker 1: the growing up certainly. I mean, I've made no bones

2111
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 1: about it. I'm the last guy to give Notre Dame

2112
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 1: their flowers, right. But that said, I felt like in

2113
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 1: that game things kind of evened out once Notre Dame.

2114
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:55,080
Speaker 1: Just my perspective that Notre Dame kind of let off

2115
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:58,559
Speaker 1: the accelerator a little bit and could have won that

2116
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 1: game more handily than they did. Maybe I'm giving Indiana

2117
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 1: not enough credit there, but that's that's how it felt

2118
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:08,599
Speaker 1: to me. But nonetheless, you know, now when I look

2119
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 1: at it, Mike, Indiana is going to get the chance

2120
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:12,719
Speaker 1: again to show what they can do in the College

2121
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:15,840
Speaker 1: Football Playoff. I think that's nearly a certainty at this point,

2122
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 1: unless the wheels completely come off. Do you think academic

2123
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 1: I realize, But do you think they should have been

2124
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 1: the number one team?

2125
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 9: I think they had a good argument because, and I

2126
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:29,800
Speaker 9: wrote about this, I did a mock CFP exercise travel

2127
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:33,720
Speaker 9: out to Texas in September, and they do these every

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Speaker 9: year for a group of journalists to kind of educate

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Speaker 9: them about the process and the rules. And so basically,

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Speaker 9: like I think Ohio State's best argument, and like the

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Speaker 9: national polls and AP and the and the and the

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Speaker 9: coaches poll is the equity that they've bought brought right

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01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 9: because that you know, they were the defending champions, brought

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Speaker 9: back a lo out of their talent. That does mean something,

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01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:57,920
Speaker 9: but that's not something that means something at the CFP meetings,

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Speaker 9: like they are supposed to judge these teams on this

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Speaker 9: year and this year, loan, this resume, this group of

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Speaker 9: players like nothing in the past matters really And so

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01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:07,760
Speaker 9: when you kind of look at it that when you

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Speaker 9: start to clate, when you have a clean flate like

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Speaker 9: that and you're stacking up Indiana and they have specific

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Speaker 9: metrics that they you know, proprietary stuff with strength and

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01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:18,600
Speaker 9: schedule that you know, we don't have access to. So

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure what Indiana's numbers were versus Ohio State,

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01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 9: but I can't tell you. Like that they kind of

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Speaker 9: defined have like twelve metrics for measuring success, like offensive

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01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 9: and defensive things that correlate to championships. And there's no

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Speaker 9: way that Indiana like last year, because we got them

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Speaker 9: from last year, Indiana was in the top ten I

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Speaker 9: think for all but two of them, and in the

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Speaker 9: top five, and all in all, in half of them.

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Speaker 9: That's probably the case this year, Like they will be

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Speaker 9: a metrics darling in terms of like what their numbers,

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01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 9: how big they're beating teams. And then they've answered kind

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01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 9: of the problems with last year's resume in terms of

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Speaker 9: the strength of schedule. So I think it would hold

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01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 9: up against Ohio State. But and so I think there

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Speaker 9: was probably a healthy debate about it, and I don't

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Speaker 9: I don't have any problem with the committee ranking Ohio

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01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 9: State over them, because I think we'll all get played

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01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 9: out in the fields, and these two teams will play

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01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 9: each other in the Big Ten title game most likely,

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01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:09,760
Speaker 9: like you said, barring some some some some either team

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01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 9: getting tripped up. So I think the ranking, the rankings

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Speaker 9: right now don't bother me, because, like I said, you

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Speaker 9: see that showdown coming. But having said that, I think

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Speaker 9: Indiana had as good as a case as Ohio State

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Speaker 9: to be the number one team. I'm guessing that there

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Speaker 9: was a healthy debate in the room.

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Speaker 2: Let's say Indiana Again. I mean, it's kind of a

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Speaker 2: moot point for everything you just spelled out there. But

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Speaker 2: let's just say Indiana beats Penn State this weekend forty

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01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 2: five to three, right, does that change things? Do they

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Speaker 2: then vault Ohio State?

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Speaker 9: I mean it could be because like they and they

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Speaker 9: also re rank every week, right, they start crash essentially,

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Speaker 9: and you know, basically the first grouping of teams, they

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Speaker 9: take this top six, they create a pool of thirty,

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Speaker 9: then they take the top six from that and debate

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Speaker 9: the top and get to the top four. And so

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Speaker 9: they're debating that top four every week. And so's those

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Speaker 9: numbers change as those things happen. If Ohio State stumbles

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Speaker 9: and you know, or if or in the last week

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Speaker 9: of the season, if Indiana makes Purdue forfeit and you

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Speaker 9: know a lot of stage stumbles against Michigan, does that

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Speaker 9: change things?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 9: Because that was one of the harder teams. A lot

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Speaker 9: of State's going to face and so those are things

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Speaker 9: that you kind of go each week. I think you

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01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:17,559
Speaker 9: will see it and Indiana can make a stronger case,

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Speaker 9: but ultimately, like I said, it doesn't really matter since

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Speaker 9: these teams are probably going to face each other, right,

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Speaker 9: So like it's all academic, like whether Indiana jumps them

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Speaker 9: for a minute, but then losing the Big Ten title game,

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Speaker 9: it doesn't matter. And I think having maybe there's some

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Speaker 9: edge in that right that they're the number two and

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Speaker 9: they got to go topple number one and give them

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Speaker 9: some added motivation. You know how teams life that love

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01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 9: that stuff. I don't know, but like I very want

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Speaker 9: to much get to the one versus two in the

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Speaker 9: Big Ten title game because that's where you know, that's it, right,

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Speaker 9: that's what we'll decide it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, health standpoint for Indiana obviously, Elijah Surratt is the

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Speaker 1: big story that we're watching. Where does Indiana stand as

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01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:56,080
Speaker 1: you understand it going into this game with Penn State.

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Speaker 9: So Drew Evans, the starting left guard, will be out

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Speaker 9: and he's been will be out for a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 9: as Kurtz and Days kind of said after the game,

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Speaker 9: hasn't specified what the injury is. Remember, he had then

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Speaker 9: achilles issue last year, came back and really kind of

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Speaker 9: threw an accelerated rehab and started all the you know

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Speaker 9: what first eight games. I think it was Sorats an

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01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 9: interesting case had to kind of a hamstring thing pop

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Speaker 9: up in the game, but Signety said he had been

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Speaker 9: dealing with something else previously the previous two weeks unrelated

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Speaker 9: to that, So you kind of wonder, you know, are

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Speaker 9: they more careful with him to try to get him

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Speaker 9: fully healthy here going down the stretch. And then obviously

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Speaker 9: Aiden Fisher, they were optimistic throughout the week, and then

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Speaker 9: that kind of faded as the game got closer. And

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Speaker 9: another guy you sort of think, now with two weeks

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Speaker 9: under his belt, is he back, you know? And there's

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Speaker 9: the question of and and and The reporter Zach actually

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01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:51,559
Speaker 9: asked Kurtzydenny this about kind of balancing the idea. Look,

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Speaker 9: you're not looking ahead, but your season's probably not over

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Speaker 9: after the regular season, right, you have other things? How

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01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:00,640
Speaker 9: do you balance that? Kurtz Agnetty kind of played He's like,

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Speaker 9: I know what you're asking, but I'm not going to

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Speaker 9: really answer it. So it's like, you know, there is

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Speaker 9: that balance, right. You don't want to push guys back.

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Speaker 9: You do have a bye week coming up after Wisconsin

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01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:12,120
Speaker 9: that'll be important to kind of get guys back. Don't

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Speaker 9: think you want to rush anybody. And you've seen Charlie

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01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:17,639
Speaker 9: Becker kind of step up. You've seen Isaiah Jones step

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Speaker 9: up at linebacker. Their tails are enough to get to

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01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 9: through these games. But I mean, if guys are healthy,

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Speaker 9: they're going to play. But I just don't know with

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Speaker 9: those two, you know, probably fifty to fifty. I probably

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Speaker 9: say Fisher is closer because he was closer last week.

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Speaker 1: Mike, appreciate the time. As always. I will seek you

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Speaker 1: out tonight to make my introduction at least from a

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Speaker 1: he's facing this week and how will it be challenging

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Speaker 1: in his words next what I think Eddie before we

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Speaker 1: get into Shane Steiken and some of the comments that

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Speaker 1: he had earlier today. I believe, at least amongst the

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Speaker 1: active I mean, it goes without saying I never saw

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Speaker 1: the Beatles in concert because they were you know, it

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Speaker 1: would not have been possible. Well, I guess if they

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Speaker 1: would have reunited prior to nineteen eighty. But he is

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Speaker 1: going to go on a whim here and say, off

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Speaker 1: the top of my head, I think bon Jovie might

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Speaker 1: be the biggest band in the world.

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Speaker 2: That I've never seen in concert. Okay, who's bigger? Never

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Speaker 2: seen him in concert either? What I would love to

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Speaker 2: who is? Well his voice now is pretty much gone,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 1: I don't care I still want to experience it. Okay, fair,

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Speaker 1: who is a bigger band? If I kind of like

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01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 1: you were going to Paul McCartney. Yeah, you know the

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01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:30,960
Speaker 1: difference is this with McCartney and I don't know that

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01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:34,400
Speaker 1: I maybe I did give my breakdown of that. I

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01:49:34,439 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 1: was just talking to somebody who was getting ready to go.

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01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:39,920
Speaker 1: Ron from Chicago's Pizza is going to wait for it

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Speaker 1: Chicago the city to go see McCartney in a couple

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01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:47,719
Speaker 1: of weeks here, and I was telling him the one

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01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 1: advantage to McCartney at his age is the fact that

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Speaker 1: so many of the songs that you know and associate

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01:49:56,479 --> 01:50:00,200
Speaker 1: with him are not songs that are that really require

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01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:05,200
Speaker 1: like a huge, you know test of your voice. I

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01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 1: mean let it be, or you know, slower songs where

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01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:10,680
Speaker 1: you're not straining your voice the way a John bon

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01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:12,880
Speaker 1: Jovi or an Axl Rose or whatever did in their

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01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:17,240
Speaker 1: prime ac DC for that matter. So I'll give you

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01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:19,759
Speaker 1: three bands, and you tell me which is the biggest

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01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:21,839
Speaker 1: of the three. If I were to list the biggest

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01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:25,160
Speaker 1: bands I've never seen in concert, if I went with

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01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:29,760
Speaker 1: bon Jovie, Metallica, a c DC, who's the biggest of

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01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:37,120
Speaker 1: those three? A AC DC, right, So ac DC would

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01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:39,800
Speaker 1: be a bigger if I had to like check off

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01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:42,639
Speaker 1: the list here, then a CDC would have to be first,

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01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:49,000
Speaker 1: and then Metallica is pretty big though. Man, they're pretty big. Yeah.

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01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:50,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if they were as big though as

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01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:58,120
Speaker 1: a CDC. It's a good question I asked once, because

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01:50:58,160 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 1: if you asked the like if you went on the

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01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:02,840
Speaker 1: and asks somebody like, hey, can you name me five

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01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 1: Metallica songs? I don't know how many people I tend.

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01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:09,640
Speaker 1: I tend to agree with that. The problem that Metallica

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01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:13,760
Speaker 1: has and I've always felt like led Zeppelin is in

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01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:16,599
Speaker 1: this same category. And I know this sounds crazy, hear

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01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:19,920
Speaker 1: me out. If you say to somebody, name five led

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01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:24,320
Speaker 1: Zeppelin songs, the problem with that is so many of

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01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:27,439
Speaker 1: led Zeppelin's songs the title has nothing to do with

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01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:31,000
Speaker 1: the song itself, and then you start humming it to

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01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 1: people or singing it and they're like, oh, of course

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01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:37,559
Speaker 1: I know that, Like black Dog by led Zeppelin. Yep.

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01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 1: If you just say to somebody black Dog, they're like what,

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01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:44,519
Speaker 1: and then you play it and they're like, oh, of

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01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:46,840
Speaker 1: course I know that song, or they'll say what where

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01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:50,160
Speaker 1: that's right? Well, that's supposedly when they were recording the song.

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01:51:50,200 --> 01:51:51,519
Speaker 1: That's what happened, and that's how they came up with

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Speaker 1: the name of the song. I kid you not, but

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Speaker 1: I think if I did a Twitter survey between who

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01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:02,519
Speaker 1: is the bigger band ACDC or Metallica, I'm gonna do

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01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:07,240
Speaker 1: a Twitter pull on that and we'll see which one gets. Oh, man,

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Speaker 1: I think this is Brady Manning, is it not? M

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty easy towards a CDC. I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: people with Metallica will throw you down a flight of

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01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:23,400
Speaker 1: stairs at either're all Metallica. I know you know who.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what else is a big one musical

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Speaker 1: act wise that David Hasselhoff what now, he was big

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Speaker 1: in that Baywatch right when he was running around with

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01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:33,919
Speaker 1: his with his shirt off and you know, and everybody

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01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 1: was just watching to see Pamela Anderson and everything else.

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Speaker 1: But he's huge over there in Germany. David Hasseloff huge

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01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 1: in Germany. David Hasselhoff I think was in the like

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three or nineteen eighty four. One of those

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Speaker 1: years he was in the five hundred Festival parade and

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01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:52,840
Speaker 1: I sat next to one of his I was a

2338
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:54,559
Speaker 1: cub scout sitting there in the crowd and sat next

2339
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:56,599
Speaker 1: to one of his family members or somebody that claimed

2340
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 1: to be a family member, And I don't know if

2341
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:00,639
Speaker 1: that's true. I don't know anything about David Hassel's family

2342
01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:02,080
Speaker 1: other than the time that he got really drunk and

2343
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:03,840
Speaker 1: tried to eat a cheeseburger and his daughter filmed it.

2344
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:07,000
Speaker 1: And that's kind of sad, But nonetheless I digress. In Germany,

2345
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:09,719
Speaker 1: he's massive, so too will the Colts be, one would

2346
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:13,240
Speaker 1: hope coming up this weekend against Atlanta. Nice SEGOUI there,

2347
01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 1: what's ed nice Segouy?

2348
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:16,840
Speaker 4: You like that?

2349
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:19,960
Speaker 1: Huh? Let's segue listen. I don't know if you know

2350
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,400
Speaker 1: this or not, Eddie. Lots of years under this belt, buddy,

2351
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:24,719
Speaker 1: really what kind of years are we talking?

2352
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 4: Well?

2353
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:28,960
Speaker 1: In more ways in one but Shane sich and talking

2354
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:31,880
Speaker 1: about the challenge of getting his team, I guess ready

2355
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:33,960
Speaker 1: and prepared for the fact that, yes, this is different

2356
01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:37,639
Speaker 1: because it's a regular season game. It has the makings,

2357
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 1: I guess to an extent of the trap game. Because

2358
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 1: you know it's Atlanta. You feel like, based on record

2359
01:53:44,439 --> 01:53:48,560
Speaker 1: that you should be you know, have an advantage over Atlanta.

2360
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:52,559
Speaker 1: But you also know that right off of that you're

2361
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:55,360
Speaker 1: going overseas. You're almost on a vacation, if you will.

2362
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:58,639
Speaker 1: It's a unique circumstance. Then you have the bye week,

2363
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:01,040
Speaker 1: and then you have Kansas City, So there's a lot

2364
01:54:01,080 --> 01:54:05,800
Speaker 1: that goes into all of that, right, Shane Steichen, How

2365
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,800
Speaker 1: is the team handling everything I just mentioned with this

2366
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:10,479
Speaker 1: week getting ready to go over to Germany?

2367
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:12,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we try to keep it as normal

2368
01:54:12,240 --> 01:54:15,559
Speaker 6: as possible, Like today's our normal Wednesday, Tomorrow's our normal Thursday.

2369
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:18,080
Speaker 6: And then obviously when we get out there, there'll be

2370
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:20,280
Speaker 6: in little adjustments here and there, but as far as

2371
01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:22,599
Speaker 6: the meetings go and the practice and stuff, we try

2372
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:24,640
Speaker 6: to keep it as normal as possible. That way, you know,

2373
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:27,160
Speaker 6: we're laser focus. You know, I told our guys this morning,

2374
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:29,559
Speaker 6: like where our focus goes, our energy flows, and we

2375
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:31,479
Speaker 6: got to have a great focus so we have great

2376
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:33,120
Speaker 6: energy so we can go out and perform, you know,

2377
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:34,160
Speaker 6: on Sunday at high level.

2378
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:36,600
Speaker 1: You know, I tell you that all the time, Eddie,

2379
01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:41,240
Speaker 1: where our focus goes, our energy flows? Right, this program,

2380
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:44,680
Speaker 1: what what's what's our focus on? Wrangler Energy from Java

2381
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:45,960
Speaker 1: House Boom flowing right there.

2382
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:46,320
Speaker 4: This is.

2383
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:49,720
Speaker 5: Where our focus goes our energy flows.

2384
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:53,040
Speaker 1: That's a bar. Can we hear that one more time?

2385
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 4: Please?

2386
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:55,520
Speaker 5: Where our focus goes our energy flows.

2387
01:54:56,680 --> 01:55:01,440
Speaker 1: Okay? I like that right, like, And I know this

2388
01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:04,600
Speaker 1: is stunning to people. Now for me, okay, my problem

2389
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:07,640
Speaker 1: is my energy actually deviates my focus, right, But not

2390
01:55:07,720 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 1: with the Colts because Shane Steike and we know.

2391
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:11,480
Speaker 5: Where our focus goes our energy flows.

2392
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:15,680
Speaker 1: I like that, right, Like the wrangular energy that I

2393
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:17,480
Speaker 1: just talked about that you can get from Java House,

2394
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:20,680
Speaker 1: it's with that it is exquisite and that energy is flowing.

2395
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:23,400
Speaker 1: You know what derives from that, you know, Jake, where

2396
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 1: they get that energy.

2397
01:55:24,280 --> 01:55:26,000
Speaker 5: Aside focus goes our energy flows.

2398
01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:26,520
Speaker 1: That's right.

2399
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:28,680
Speaker 2: I'll be having a lot of those coming up, you know,

2400
01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 2: West Coast trip coming up soon for the Pacers.

2401
01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 1: Oh really that means late nights for you, yeah, and

2402
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:38,800
Speaker 1: early morning coming up this Sunday nine to thirty kick

2403
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:41,240
Speaker 1: for the Colts. Right yeah, I ain't thirty am. It's

2404
01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:44,880
Speaker 1: also my cousin Doug's birthday. Really yeah. They're doing a

2405
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 1: party surrounding the Colts game. And they think, and Doug thinks,

2406
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm getting up that early to go watch and enjoy

2407
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:53,360
Speaker 1: the party. Now, watch the game. Yes, show up at

2408
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:55,560
Speaker 1: a big event nine o'clock in the morning, family event.

2409
01:55:55,680 --> 01:56:00,520
Speaker 1: H We'll see, right. But when I'm there, I'll probably

2410
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:03,080
Speaker 1: have some energy which will derive from the fact that

2411
01:56:03,200 --> 01:56:08,040
Speaker 1: it's his birthday, and I'll be focused just like Shane Steichen, right, because.

2412
01:56:07,680 --> 01:56:09,200
Speaker 5: As we know those our energy flows.

2413
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:12,680
Speaker 1: That's exactly right now. Other side of it is this

2414
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:16,800
Speaker 1: the Colts have and Sauce Gardner is with the Colts,

2415
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 1: He's practicing with them today. We know that and this

2416
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:24,560
Speaker 1: is an elite level corner. I'm going to go back

2417
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:25,920
Speaker 1: to what i said off the top of the show.

2418
01:56:26,040 --> 01:56:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm proud in my maturity that I've not focused on

2419
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 1: this over the course of today because people want to

2420
01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:32,320
Speaker 1: live in the now, and living in the now, there

2421
01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:35,080
Speaker 1: is no point for me belaboring the point that I

2422
01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:37,880
Speaker 1: disagree that it is the biggest trade in franchise history.

2423
01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:40,480
Speaker 1: It's a very big one, for certain, and a lot

2424
01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:43,320
Speaker 1: of that depends upon where things go from here and

2425
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:47,080
Speaker 1: what it means. I mean, Trent Richardson was a huge

2426
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:49,880
Speaker 1: trade and for three days all we talked about was

2427
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:51,360
Speaker 1: the fact that they gave up a number one, and

2428
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:53,600
Speaker 1: they got Trent Richardson, and holy cow, they've got two

2429
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:55,760
Speaker 1: of the top five picks in the same draft in

2430
01:56:55,800 --> 01:56:58,600
Speaker 1: the same backfield. And obviously we know how that panned out.

2431
01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:01,120
Speaker 1: You just never know. You never know how things are

2432
01:57:01,120 --> 01:57:03,560
Speaker 1: going to pan out. But what we know about Sauce

2433
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:08,880
Speaker 1: Gardner is the fact that you have two corners now.

2434
01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:11,640
Speaker 1: And we talked about it yesterday. If Chris Ballard was

2435
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:15,000
Speaker 1: going out and trying to get rush help on the

2436
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:17,440
Speaker 1: defensive line and couldn't get it there, he did the

2437
01:57:17,480 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 1: next best thing, which is get a corner that you

2438
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:24,600
Speaker 1: have what's called covered sacks. You shut down corners, you

2439
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:28,120
Speaker 1: keep them running around. The quarterbacks just sitting there, waiting, waiting, waiting,

2440
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:30,720
Speaker 1: and he's a sitting duck and that helps your pass rush.

2441
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:33,600
Speaker 1: And Liatu Latu is starting to show a little bit

2442
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:36,640
Speaker 1: of form here, and DeForest Buckner's there and Quitty pay

2443
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy. I mean, he's okay. But

2444
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:44,839
Speaker 1: Shane Steichen, your thoughts now on how corners and elite

2445
01:57:44,840 --> 01:57:47,480
Speaker 1: corners can shut things down and how that can help

2446
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:48,840
Speaker 1: and make your pass rush better.

2447
01:57:49,040 --> 01:57:50,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very difficult.

2448
01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:53,000
Speaker 6: And that's a problem obviously as an offensive guy looking

2449
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:54,760
Speaker 6: at defense. As you go around the league and you

2450
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:57,720
Speaker 6: go against two elite corners, I mean, you got to

2451
01:57:57,760 --> 01:57:59,720
Speaker 6: try to find ways to free your guys up because

2452
01:57:59,720 --> 01:58:01,360
Speaker 6: you know are going to be sticky and coverage. So

2453
01:58:02,280 --> 01:58:04,320
Speaker 6: it's great for our football team to have those two

2454
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:06,600
Speaker 6: guys along with the other guys we got there, Jones

2455
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:09,480
Speaker 6: and Blackman and Kenny on the back end and buying

2456
01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 6: them and Nick Cross, I mean to add those guys,

2457
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:13,040
Speaker 6: to add him to the fold of what we got

2458
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:13,320
Speaker 6: back there.

2459
01:58:13,360 --> 01:58:14,560
Speaker 5: It's huge for our football team.

2460
01:58:16,160 --> 01:58:21,640
Speaker 1: So Colt's getting set for Berlin and Sauce Gardner in

2461
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:24,640
Speaker 1: the mix, and I'm still surprised that we are now

2462
01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:26,760
Speaker 1: almost an entire day into it. And the most famous

2463
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:29,480
Speaker 1: sauce in Indianapolis, the Saint Elmost shrimp cocktail sauce. We've

2464
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:31,800
Speaker 1: not heard yet about some sort of partnership with Saucegardner.

2465
01:58:32,520 --> 01:58:35,240
Speaker 1: But we also learned earlier something very important, and that

2466
01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:39,480
Speaker 1: is that all our energy flows, not all conniments or sauces.

2467
01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:43,800
Speaker 1: And and we at this radio show, in this radio station,

2468
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:45,880
Speaker 1: we have focus, right Eddie.

2469
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:47,880
Speaker 5: Where our focus goes our energy flows.

2470
01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:52,240
Speaker 1: That needs to be the new show motto. We educate

2471
01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:53,680
Speaker 1: and entertain, and in addition to.

2472
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:55,320
Speaker 5: That, our focus goes our energy flows.

2473
01:58:55,360 --> 01:59:01,200
Speaker 1: That's exactly right where our focus goes. Those are energy flows.

2474
01:59:01,320 --> 01:59:03,800
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, I have a confession about that,

2475
01:59:03,880 --> 01:59:08,880
Speaker 2: saying I have a confession about that, saying that I'll

2476
01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:13,240
Speaker 2: confess next what boy, I keep going back and forth

2477
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:16,680
Speaker 2: on this eddie, and I've done a lot of these of.

2478
01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 1: You know, who is the bigger band survey questions, and

2479
01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:24,080
Speaker 1: usually there have been times in the past where I've

2480
01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:25,520
Speaker 1: done them and I've thought it was a slam dunk

2481
01:59:25,560 --> 01:59:29,200
Speaker 1: answer and then I'm surprised by the pole results. One

2482
01:59:29,200 --> 01:59:31,560
Speaker 1: of them. For example, I did do which do you

2483
01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:37,320
Speaker 1: think is the more iconic band like all time? Grateful

2484
01:59:37,400 --> 01:59:41,240
Speaker 1: Dead or ACDC, And I thought for sure people would

2485
01:59:41,240 --> 01:59:43,280
Speaker 1: say the Grateful Dead, just based on the fact that

2486
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, they toured for fifty years in some form

2487
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:49,480
Speaker 1: or fashion. I realized Jerry Garcia is no longer with us,

2488
01:59:49,480 --> 01:59:53,640
Speaker 1: but you know, just their impact and the dancing Teddy

2489
01:59:53,640 --> 01:59:57,320
Speaker 1: Bears and the logos and everything else. And ACDC resoundingly won,

2490
01:59:57,360 --> 02:00:00,960
Speaker 1: which surprised me. But this a good one. A CDC

2491
02:00:01,080 --> 02:00:07,040
Speaker 1: and Metallica. I I can go it's kind of like

2492
02:00:08,520 --> 02:00:12,960
Speaker 1: metal Lica. That's right. I'm trying to think of like

2493
02:00:13,080 --> 02:00:16,200
Speaker 1: the argument in a basketball standpoint of all time player.

2494
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean you could set you know, the Lebron Jordan argument.

2495
02:00:19,240 --> 02:00:23,800
Speaker 1: But if you got into a discussion of you know,

2496
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:32,920
Speaker 1: who is the better player, Tim Duncan or Carmel Oan

2497
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:37,920
Speaker 1: is a bad example, Who's okay, Tim, Tim Duncan or

2498
02:00:37,960 --> 02:00:40,280
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, Who's a better player? Oh boy, that's a

2499
02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:42,440
Speaker 1: good one, you know what I mean. I mean you

2500
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:45,880
Speaker 1: could It seems initially you're like, well it's Kobe Bryant.

2501
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:50,720
Speaker 1: Then like, I don't know, man, I mean Duncan, mister Fundamental. Yeah,

2502
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:55,360
Speaker 1: I mean then you call it's It is closer than

2503
02:00:55,400 --> 02:00:58,560
Speaker 1: you think. Okay. Shane Steichen's comment that we played earlier,

2504
02:00:58,600 --> 02:01:01,800
Speaker 1: would you rather have the nickname the Fundamental or Black Mamba?

2505
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:10,040
Speaker 1: I think black Mamba, right, I mean it's pretty cool. Yeah,

2506
02:01:10,240 --> 02:01:13,520
Speaker 1: the Big Fundamentals kind I mean it's a compliment, but

2507
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean the best sports nickname of all time is indisputable, right,

2508
02:01:21,960 --> 02:01:26,360
Speaker 1: Big Diesel? No, the best sport If you could choose

2509
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:30,520
Speaker 1: any sports nickname of all time and have it be

2510
02:01:32,160 --> 02:01:35,960
Speaker 1: widely accepted as fact, you'd go with Wayne Gretzky's right.

2511
02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:39,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's what it's the nickname I have for

2512
02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:43,320
Speaker 1: myself on the regular. Right. Oh really, of course I

2513
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:48,520
Speaker 1: love me some me, But Shane Steichen, I listen, I

2514
02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:50,120
Speaker 1: love me some me, and I know that I'm the

2515
02:01:50,160 --> 02:01:52,760
Speaker 1: great one. But I have enough confidence about me to

2516
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:57,440
Speaker 1: be honest about my weaknesses. Okay, both of them. For example,

2517
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:01,520
Speaker 1: Shane Steichen making this comment earlier today that we were

2518
02:02:01,560 --> 02:02:02,120
Speaker 1: playing for.

2519
02:02:02,040 --> 02:02:04,040
Speaker 5: You where our focus goes, our energy flows.

2520
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:08,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I like it. It's it's it's it rhymes, it's catchy,

2521
02:02:09,160 --> 02:02:11,480
Speaker 2: and you think to yourself, Hell yeah. But then I'll

2522
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:13,120
Speaker 2: be honest with you. I have to confess this. I

2523
02:02:13,160 --> 02:02:16,360
Speaker 2: don't know what that means. Do you really know what

2524
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:18,680
Speaker 2: that means? It sounds good, Do you know what it means?

2525
02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:20,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you feel focus on something that's where your

2526
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:23,080
Speaker 1: energy is going to go, and therefore your energy is

2527
02:02:23,080 --> 02:02:27,360
Speaker 1: flowing in that direction. Okay, A plus B equals C,

2528
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:30,720
Speaker 1: therefore C plus B equals A. It just sounds over.

2529
02:02:31,200 --> 02:02:33,680
Speaker 1: It sounds very deep about something that doesn't need to

2530
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:36,800
Speaker 1: be that deep. Right, I don't know, Jake. I'm not

2531
02:02:36,840 --> 02:02:37,480
Speaker 1: a football coach.

2532
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:37,760
Speaker 3: I don't.

2533
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:40,640
Speaker 1: It always cracks me up when football. It gets done.

2534
02:02:40,680 --> 02:02:42,960
Speaker 1: That's what that means. Think about it, it gets done, right,

2535
02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:44,720
Speaker 1: just say it that way. You know what we always

2536
02:02:44,720 --> 02:02:46,200
Speaker 1: say around here is we just think about stuff and

2537
02:02:46,240 --> 02:02:48,240
Speaker 1: it gets done. Okay, cool, Sure it does.

2538
02:02:48,520 --> 02:02:52,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, thinking about stuff and it gets done two years later.

2539
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, like like like logging into your computer. What you're

2540
02:02:57,640 --> 02:02:59,480
Speaker 1: doing if you haven't changed your password in the last

2541
02:02:59,480 --> 02:02:59,920
Speaker 1: two weeks?

2542
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:03,760
Speaker 10: Heyre Ton, right, I love eating an air or crossover

2543
02:03:04,120 --> 02:03:06,480
Speaker 10: right now? Did you call me at one am because

2544
02:03:06,520 --> 02:03:07,320
Speaker 10: you knew i'd be up?

2545
02:03:07,480 --> 02:03:07,600
Speaker 4: Oh?

2546
02:03:07,640 --> 02:03:08,800
Speaker 1: Of course that's awesome.

2547
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:11,600
Speaker 10: Of course you remember what I was watching last night?

2548
02:03:11,960 --> 02:03:15,440
Speaker 10: Jake called me at one in the morning and MAGNIPI, right,

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02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:20,200
Speaker 10: Magni Pi. Of course he's in two, episode four on

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Speaker 10: what outlet?

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Speaker 1: Were you watching?

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02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:21,840
Speaker 4: Magnet p I?

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02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:24,640
Speaker 10: I think it was great entertainment television. I was just

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02:03:24,760 --> 02:03:26,840
Speaker 10: I was actually watching the suns of the Warriors because

2555
02:03:26,840 --> 02:03:30,680
Speaker 10: I'm getting I'm getting the ticket for NBA free right

2556
02:03:30,720 --> 02:03:33,440
Speaker 10: now for whatever reason. Well, that's cool, which they owe me.

2557
02:03:33,480 --> 02:03:35,280
Speaker 10: I should get this for free for the rest of

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Speaker 10: my life, for how much I pay them at direct TV.

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02:03:37,960 --> 02:03:39,040
Speaker 1: But I was.

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02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:41,440
Speaker 10: Watching the Warriors of the Suns and then flipped over

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02:03:41,480 --> 02:03:44,760
Speaker 10: and watched I liked it early, like Magnums from nineteen

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02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:47,480
Speaker 10: eighty through nineteen eighty five, and it gets all weird.

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Speaker 1: I think after that, okay of old let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this, John, and this makes me weird. I realize, Okay,

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02:03:55,120 --> 02:03:56,960
Speaker 1: But a lot of times and you and I've discussed

2566
02:03:56,960 --> 02:04:00,840
Speaker 1: this all flip through and on those channels, I'll watch

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02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:05,200
Speaker 1: an old Johnny Carson, yes, or an old Alice is

2568
02:04:05,240 --> 02:04:07,760
Speaker 1: on a lot, I'll watch that Barney Miller Yeah. And

2569
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:10,680
Speaker 1: oftentimes when I watch it, I'll then you tell me

2570
02:04:10,680 --> 02:04:12,920
Speaker 1: how weird this is, but I have a feeling you'll

2571
02:04:12,920 --> 02:04:15,400
Speaker 1: relate to it. I will then look up what the

2572
02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:18,360
Speaker 1: original air date was and try to imagine what I

2573
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:21,560
Speaker 1: was doing the same thing. You know what I mean

2574
02:04:21,600 --> 02:04:22,440
Speaker 1: about it? Last night?

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02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:26,080
Speaker 10: It was I think it was I think January nineteen

2576
02:04:26,200 --> 02:04:29,800
Speaker 10: edty one. So in January nineteen eighty one, as an

2577
02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:32,600
Speaker 10: IU fan, you were prepping for them. You were probably

2578
02:04:32,640 --> 02:04:34,920
Speaker 10: thinking that this team wasn't gonna win much of the wreck,

2579
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:36,080
Speaker 10: that's time.

2580
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Speaker 1: And then just get things going, then Indiana will really

2581
02:04:39,200 --> 02:04:40,840
Speaker 1: be good. And then he did and boom.

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02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:43,600
Speaker 10: Right, That's how I base where I was on my

2583
02:04:43,720 --> 02:04:46,880
Speaker 10: existence because that's why everybody says I live in the past,

2584
02:04:47,160 --> 02:04:47,880
Speaker 10: which is true.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean yeah, don't we all to an extent

2586
02:04:50,360 --> 02:04:56,960
Speaker 1: right bigger band ac DC or Metallica ac DC because

2587
02:04:56,960 --> 02:04:58,919
Speaker 1: they go all the way back to the seventies. Metallica

2588
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:00,960
Speaker 1: goes back to the minute. So I think that's that's

2589
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:01,400
Speaker 1: fair to be.

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02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:04,240
Speaker 10: Why, Yeah, like there there are going to be people

2591
02:05:04,280 --> 02:05:07,280
Speaker 10: in their seventies that are ac DC fans that won't

2592
02:05:07,320 --> 02:05:08,280
Speaker 10: be Metallica fans.

2593
02:05:08,440 --> 02:05:08,720
Speaker 4: Fair.

2594
02:05:09,360 --> 02:05:11,160
Speaker 1: What's lined up on the Big Show today.

2595
02:05:11,200 --> 02:05:14,440
Speaker 10: Tony East? Listen, the Hardship Pacers are an action. Later

2596
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:17,000
Speaker 10: on tonight who the Hardships play the Brooklyn Nets. We'll

2597
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:20,600
Speaker 10: talk to Tony East about hardshipping and how difficult it

2598
02:05:20,680 --> 02:05:23,680
Speaker 10: might be for me to get on that Noblesville Boom squad.

2599
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:26,960
Speaker 1: Can you imagine me and Kyle Gon in the back court?

2600
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:29,480
Speaker 1: I think we could do so. To the game Saturday night, Shannon,

2601
02:05:29,560 --> 02:05:31,320
Speaker 1: I might go to the Noblesville Boom game. So great

2602
02:05:31,320 --> 02:05:34,720
Speaker 1: looking venue. It's a great looking mascot too. Bobby the Bobcat.

2603
02:05:35,480 --> 02:05:37,080
Speaker 1: I still think they should have called him the Slicks,

2604
02:05:37,080 --> 02:05:37,680
Speaker 1: but that's just me.

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02:05:37,960 --> 02:05:40,520
Speaker 10: How hard would it be to make that team right now.

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02:05:41,320 --> 02:05:44,040
Speaker 10: Not very hard, Yeah, because that pretty good last night

2607
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:46,520
Speaker 10: until Actually that's one of the reasons played tonight, right,

2608
02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:49,000
Speaker 10: I played until eleven o'clock last night. So you called

2609
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:50,400
Speaker 10: me at one am. That's why I was still.

2610
02:05:50,640 --> 02:05:53,840
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew I probably you'll be up. And

2611
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:57,440
Speaker 1: then we talked for forty five minutes for one quick question,

2612
02:05:57,520 --> 02:06:00,320
Speaker 1: and then we talked for forty five minutes. That's this

2613
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:02,280
Speaker 1: morning at seven oh five with him.

2614
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Speaker 10: So yeah, I bet he was in a good mood

2615
02:06:04,640 --> 02:06:08,040
Speaker 10: this morning. You know what, It's funny. I hear all

2616
02:06:08,040 --> 02:06:10,440
Speaker 10: these things about Tony and he's always in a good

2617
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:12,400
Speaker 10: mood with me. He was, Hey, he was up and

2618
02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:14,600
Speaker 10: burning the midnight oil last night too. He was doing

2619
02:06:14,680 --> 02:06:16,400
Speaker 10: his own deal till late, right.

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Speaker 1: I think he.

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Speaker 10: Literally, oh yeah, because of I didn't even know the elections.

2622
02:06:20,600 --> 02:06:24,040
Speaker 10: I forgot the election happened yesterday. But it's funny I

2623
02:06:24,120 --> 02:06:27,000
Speaker 10: think that he's like, I'm like his Wow, you know what,

2624
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:30,360
Speaker 10: I have permission to be cool and have fun right

2625
02:06:30,440 --> 02:06:31,960
Speaker 10: now and not have to wear a scarf and have

2626
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:34,560
Speaker 10: a beard and talk about politics and be stiff.

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Speaker 1: Do you have to have a cigar with him? At

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Speaker 1: seven am that part of the requirement. Well I offered

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Speaker 1: weed once and he declined, all right, fair enough, all right,

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Speaker 1: John Judas Facer's preview. We will be back with you

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Speaker 1: at noon tomorrow. And where our focus goes, our energy

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Speaker 1: flows here on ninety three five one oh seventy five

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Speaker 1: the fan thanks for listening to Quarry Company.