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Speaker 1: just a better elucidation of the concept Tony Kats, Tony

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Speaker 1: The chicks join me right now, Mock and Daisy. They're

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Speaker 3: a piece of something and like there's an element of

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Speaker 3: I find it disgusting and her audience is not worth.

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Speaker 4: And it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking that so many of those

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Speaker 4: people who are freaking hall Kusteniers are on our side.

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Speaker 4: I don't, like I said, We've been doing this for

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Speaker 2: Like, how are you? How? How are you me? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Because of Candace Owens.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, because you're because of all the things

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Speaker 3: that she's propagating, because of how bad things have become

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Speaker 3: for Jews. Yeah, over the place.

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Speaker 2: Screw her.

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Speaker 3: I think that's just her though, Tony, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Wait, I got her, I got Dave Smith, I got Tucker,

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Speaker 1: I got.

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Speaker 2: A whole host of people with a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Stay with me right here, and I will tell you.

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Speaker 1: I will tell you in the break, and then I'll

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Speaker 1: share with everybody what I said to them in the break.

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Speaker 2: That is Daisy. That is mout there, the Chicks on

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Speaker 2: the Right.

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Speaker 1: You can find the website Chicks on Write dot com

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Speaker 1: and the podcast Chicks on the Right Show with Mockin' Daisy.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe now because they are engagement farming with me right now, and.

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Speaker 2: Dang it, they want results. Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz,