1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Necessary to the security of a free state. The right 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: of the people to keep in their arms shall not 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: be infringed. This is the Second Amendment, and this is 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: the Gun. 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: Guy a boom boom boom boom bang bang bang bang 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: boom boom boom boom. 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: Bang bang bo Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC. 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 3: And good afternoon, and welcome to The Gun Guy Show 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 3: on ninety three WYBC. You hope you're enjoying this absolutely 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 3: spectacular late winter, early spring, beautiful day outside. Glad you're here. 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 3: What's that? It is official? First, there you go, producer 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 3: Gavin keeping me up on the calendar, and so I 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 3: hope you're enjoying it. I'll tell you what, man, it was. 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: It was a little hard to come down to the 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: studio today. When I left the house, my wife was 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 3: out on the back of deck and she was enjoying 17 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 3: the sunshine and getting a little sun and I had 18 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 3: to walk past a perfectly good Harley Davidson sitting in 19 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 3: my garage in order to get my car and come 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 3: downtown to do radio and listen. I always love coming 21 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 3: down and doing the Gun Guy Show, as we've been 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 3: doing now for eleven years. Kind of hard to believe 23 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 3: it's been that long. But yeah, man, these early days 24 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 3: of spring, seeing all the motorcycles out in particular Yanks 25 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: and my heartstrings a little bit. And I'll guarantee you 26 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 3: there are some people out at outdoor ranges right now 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: who are donting some primers and having a lot of 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: fun exercising their Second Amendment rights. And listen if that's you, 29 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 3: if you're on your way or coming back, or have 30 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: your headphones on or your earbuds in while you're doing 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: all of that and listening to the gun guy show man, 32 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: God bless you. I'm glad you're exercising your two way 33 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: rights and we're going to keep fighting for your ability 34 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: to do so. And on that exact score, let's talk 35 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: a little bit about what happened at this last legislative session. 36 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: And listen, it wasn't necessarily a real high profile legislative 37 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: session as far as the Second Amendment goes. It was 38 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 3: a short session, and there were other things outside of 39 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: two A issues that were sort of dominating the attention 40 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: of a lot of legislators. But we did have clearly 41 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 3: some victories and the priorities that we had, and when 42 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: I say we are our priorities. I'm talking about my 43 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 3: friends at the Indiana State Rifle and Pistol Association, my 44 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: friends at the National Shooting Sports Foundation, my friends at 45 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: the NRA, and we have a new local representative from NRA. 46 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 3: They as the national organization affiliated with the Indiana State 47 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: Rifle and Pistol Association. It worked hard in this legislative 48 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 3: session and we didn't have something huge like you know, 49 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: self defense immunity or constitutional carry or church carriers one 50 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 3: of those bills that we've had so much success on 51 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 3: in the past, but we still were able to achieve 52 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 3: some solid wins and I want to go back and 53 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 3: review that. And one bill that I did actually talk 54 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: about during the session, in fact, I had the author 55 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: come on and talk about here on the show, and 56 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: that is House Built twelve seventy four and what this was, 57 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: And listen, this may not necessarily sound like a huge thing, 58 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: but it really is an advancement and a step forward. 59 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: This is Representative Matt Commons who was nice enough to 60 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: come on the show, and he authored a bill that 61 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: did pass that says that insurance companies in Indiana are 62 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: not allowed to require their insured businesses to post gun 63 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: free notices or no guns allowed notices as a condition 64 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: of being insured with any company doing business in Indiana. 65 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: And listen, this is not a solution looking for a problem. 66 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 3: There were insurance companies doing exactly that. And so these 67 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 3: insurance companies were putting their insured businesses in the position 68 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 3: of either potentially voiding their insurance or losing whatever rates 69 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 3: they negotiated with a particular insurance company unless they posted 70 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: a sign depriving their customers, their patrons, of the ability 71 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: to defend themselves while they're at that particular business. And 72 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: obviously there are a couple of big negative effects associated 73 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 3: with that. First of all, a lot of people, me included, 74 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: are going to see that sign posted and say, well, 75 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 3: this business doesn't respect my Second Amendment rights, and so 76 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 3: to help with them, I'll go to take my business 77 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: somewhere else, even though the actual ownership of that business 78 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 3: may support my Second Amendment rights completely. And they're only 79 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 3: doing they're only posting this ridiculous no guns allowed or 80 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: gun free zone notices and only doing that to maintain 81 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: their liability coverage, not wanting to sacrifice their insurance. You know, 82 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: if God forbid, somebody comes in and slips and falls 83 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: or who knows what happens where. That's why businesses obviously 84 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 3: have liability insurance, so it can cost them business Because 85 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 3: people like me, people like you, if you listen to 86 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 3: the Gun Guy Show, I'm guessing you fall on the 87 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: same boat, are going to say, to hell with these people. 88 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 3: They don't respect my rights. Now, I don't have an argument. 89 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 3: I never had an argument that well, that business by 90 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 3: posting that no gun sign is violating my Second Amendment rights. 91 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 3: And if you listen to the Gun Guy Show, you 92 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 3: know this already. You know exactly where I'm going with this, 93 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: which is I've been saying for an awfully long time, 94 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 3: many many decades. Is the Constitution and the Bill of 95 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 3: Rights protect you against the government. They don't protect you 96 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: against that is the rights enumerated and the Bill of 97 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 3: Rights don't protect you against private entities. That's why the 98 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: ongoing debate is, can some social media platform like Facebook 99 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 3: or Twitter deny you First Amendment rights by not allowing 100 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 3: you to post what you want to post? Well, if 101 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 3: they're a private organization and they're not acting at the 102 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 3: behest of or in concert with the government, which of 103 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: course is an open question. When we're talking about historically 104 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 3: Facebook and Twitter. But if they're simply operating as a 105 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 3: private business, including some retail store for instance, that has 106 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 3: to put no Guns allowed sign up as a condition 107 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: of their insurance, there's no argument that they're violating your rights, 108 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: your Second Amendment freedom, because the Second Amend protect you 109 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: against the governm, not against private entities. At the same time, 110 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: let's say more people see more of those signs because 111 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 3: more insurance companies are requiring that, and so they simply 112 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 3: don't carry out of respect for that business and a desire, 113 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: a continuing desire to do business there the no guns 114 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: allowed signed notwithstanding they decided not carry in there to 115 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: respect the policy of the business or not risk getting 116 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: thrown out and embarrassed for some reason. Getting thrown out 117 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: of a place for carrying a gun has never embarrassed 118 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: me much at all. I always have the same line, 119 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: which is I've been thrown out of better places than this, 120 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 3: which I think is a bastardization of a croucher Marx comment. 121 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: If I remember correctly, I don't much care. But people 122 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: that respect the policy for whatever reason then may not 123 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 3: be in a position to defend themselves if God forbid. 124 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 3: Some lunatic walks in and started shooting the place up said, 125 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 3: there a number of downsides to this. So my compliments 126 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: to Representative Matt Commons who drafted House Built twelve seventy four. 127 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: He had several co sponsors that he had a great 128 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: sponsor co ISA say has several co authors. He had 129 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: a great sponsor in his Senator Aaron Freeman and Senator 130 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: Jim Thoms, who are both known as great champions of 131 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 3: Second Amendment rights in Indiana General Assembly. So God bless 132 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: them all and glad they got that done. We also 133 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 3: had a bill, and this one was more highly contested, 134 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: It got more a lot more attention. This is Senate 135 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 3: Bill won seventy six that deals with the protection of 136 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 3: gun ranges in Indiana, not only existing ranges, but future 137 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 3: ranges as well. In fact, I kind of gave short 138 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: shrift to the real benefits of Senate Bill one seventy 139 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 3: six when I posted about this on social media talking 140 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: about what I was going to talk about on the 141 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: show tonight. And really it has a much broader impact 142 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 3: and provides a much more significant benefit to Indiana gun owners. 143 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: In Indiana businesses, particularly those businesses that want to start 144 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 3: a new gun range in Indiana or have an existing 145 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 3: gun range. We'll talk all about that and take your 146 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 3: calls when we come back. This is Guy Ralford on 147 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC. 148 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: Second to none on this Second Amendment. This is the 149 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: Gun Guy with Guy Relford on three WYVC. 150 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Relford on The Gun Guy 151 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. Feel free to call in 152 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: and join a discussion. We're talking a little bit about 153 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: what we accomplished in the Indiana legislative session that ended 154 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: here just a bit ago, and we had some solid 155 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: two A wins which I'm reviewing. But what I want 156 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: to get into for a lot of the remainder of 157 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 3: the show is what our agenda still remains in terms 158 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: of wanting to get accomplished here in Indiana. And listen, 159 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 3: I've always got a long list and what we're able 160 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 3: to accomplish in any particular session, and it's always dependent 161 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 3: on a lot of things. It's dependent on how long 162 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: this session is. When we're in a short session, including 163 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: when there's major legislation unrelated to the Second Amendment that's 164 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: sort of dominating the legislator's agenda and time, how much 165 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: attention they have to give to a budget in a 166 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: longer session, and you know, a lot of times too, 167 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: we get it's just it's something that we've dealt with 168 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 3: for a lot of years. But when we have major victories, 169 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 3: like when we got self defense, I community in church 170 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: carry both done in twenty nineteen, when we came back 171 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty and one really wanted to push constitutional carry, 172 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 3: leadership in both the House and the Senate sort of 173 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: patted us on the head a little bit and kind 174 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: of said, hey, you guys just had a big win. 175 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 3: Why don't you just take a break for a little while. 176 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 3: And of course we're not going to accept that. At 177 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 3: the same time, you have to deal with the reality 178 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 3: of where you can get people's attention, where you can 179 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 3: get people's focused, and where you can get people support 180 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 3: for getting things done. When we got constitutional carry finally 181 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 3: after a ten year fight, long, hard, brutal fight over 182 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: constitutional carry, I mean we're talking about you know, twelve 183 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 3: hour hearings and committee in the Senate, if not fourteen, 184 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: as I recall, and people emotional and people ad either 185 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: proponents or opponents of that legislation. It was brutal, and 186 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: we fought about it for a long damn time ten years, 187 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: finally got it done in twenty twenty two. And the 188 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,599 Speaker 3: same kind of thing tends to happen, and it's not explicit, 189 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: it's just sort of implied where somebody sort of patching 190 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: on the head and says, you know, you just had 191 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 3: a huge victory, why don't you let us put our 192 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: attention somewhere else for a little while. I have something 193 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 3: I've noticed having been involved in legislative manners over at 194 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 3: the Indiana General Assembly for a long time, so this 195 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 3: year again, but we still and by the way, we 196 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 3: don't just accept that. We're still going to push things 197 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 3: where we can and we're going to get done what 198 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 3: we can, and we're going to we're going to fight 199 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 3: every session to both fend off those bills that are 200 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: antagonistic to our Second Amendment rights, that would would violate 201 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: or minimize our Second Amendment rights. And we're still going 202 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: to push our agenda. But you also have to allocate 203 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: resources a bit and understand you're not going to get 204 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 3: everything done at one time. And that's frustrating to a 205 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 3: lot of people who aren't involved in the in the 206 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: process directly, and I get that. A lot of people say, hey, 207 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: we got a super majority of Republicans both the House 208 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 3: and the Senate. We had to be able to put 209 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: thirty bills together that propose, you know, that protect our rights, 210 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: that advance our rights. And if with a super majority 211 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: of Republicans we had to be able to file everyone 212 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 3: and get everyone through committee and get everyone passed. That's 213 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 3: just the way it ought to be. And if we 214 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 3: can't get that done, then the Republicans aren't doing their jobs. Listen. 215 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: I understand that sentiment. I understand that approach to things, 216 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: but it's not consistent with the fact that legislators have 217 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: a lot of things on their plate, and even the 218 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 3: most pro to a legislators in any given session don't 219 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 3: just have gun related bills in front of them every 220 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 3: session and committee chair you know, like judiciary or public 221 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 3: policy in the House and the Senate that here gun bills. 222 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 3: They don't just have gun bills. And there are other priorities, 223 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 3: and there's only so many days. There are only so 224 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 3: many days in a legislative session, and so there's nowtion, 225 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 3: there's a budgeting process in terms of time and resources 226 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 3: and attention, and that's just the reality of dealing with 227 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: the legislative process. It can be frustrating at times. And 228 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, there are times when we just 229 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 3: simply run in to roadblocks in the form of Rhino 230 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: Republicans who just won't support the agenda. They'll campaign on 231 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: the Second Amendment, they'll fundraise on the Second Amendment, and 232 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 3: they'll stab us on the back when we're trying to 233 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: get something done. And that's exactly what we experienced for 234 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: ten years on constitutional carry until we finally got it 235 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 3: done in twenty twenty two. But with that backdrop and 236 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: explanation a little bit, talk about what we did also 237 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 3: get done here in twenty twenty six. The other bill 238 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 3: that they really had, three that we got done, we 239 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 3: got passed. They were all on our priority list. There 240 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 3: were all things we wanted to get done, and one 241 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 3: that's going to have a lot of impact for gun 242 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: ranges here in Indiana, both current ranges and and this 243 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: is what I gave short trift to a little bit 244 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 3: on my posting on both on both Facebook and Twitter, 245 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 3: I talked about Senate Bill one seventy six, authored by 246 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: Senator Jim Thoms who has been fighting for Second Amendment 247 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 3: rights in this state since he became a Senator many 248 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 3: years ago. In fact, preemption law that went into effect 249 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 3: in twenty eleven, I still say is one of the 250 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: one of the most important laws we've ever gotten pasted 251 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: in Indiana. That's what prevents local governments, with very limited exceptions, 252 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 3: what prevents local governments from regulating firearms in any way 253 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: they want to. You go to a lot of other states, 254 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 3: and Illinois has rained this in a little bit, but 255 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: with a incredible number of exceptions. You are in Illinois. 256 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: You go from from town to village to city, from 257 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 3: county to county, and the laws all change and what's illegal, 258 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 3: what you can possess, where you can carry, The laws 259 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: are all different. They can go to in Illinois just 260 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 3: by going from one town to the next and doing 261 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: the exact same thing with your gun or carrying your 262 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 3: gun or what kind of gun you have. It's legal 263 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 3: in this village, but it's illegal in that city or town. 264 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 3: And it's ridiculous, and you don't think the mayors and 265 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 3: the city councils in places like Bloomington and Hammond and 266 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 3: Gary and Fort Wayne and South ben and Evansville, and 267 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 3: I'm sure a few others would love you. Don't think 268 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: they wouldn't love to restrict your second memorights if given 269 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 3: the opportunity. In fact, they complained about the preemption law 270 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: all the damn time. I remember there's been multiple mayors 271 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: in Bloomington, you know, complaining, going, wow, you know, all 272 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 3: we want to do is restrict people from carrying any 273 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 3: kind of a gun anywhere in public. And I don't 274 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 3: understand why we're not able to do that. And well, 275 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 3: you know, we're the city council, I'm the mayor. We 276 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 3: ought to be able to pass anything that we want 277 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 3: to Well, yeah, that'd be the preemption lot prohibits that. 278 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 3: And anyway, that was Senator Jim Thomas. But some about 279 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 3: one seventy six. Let's get to what we just got done. 280 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 3: This is a range protection bill, and it does a 281 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: couple of things what I talked about on Facebook and Twitter, 282 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 3: and this is kind of where part of my focus 283 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 3: was because this applies to some of my ranges, my 284 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 3: home range, including Indiana Gun Club where I shoot sporting clips. 285 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 3: That there there has been a an existing what we 286 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 3: always called the range Grandfather Bill, And what does that mean. 287 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 3: That means that if a range was built and it 288 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 3: was legal at the time it was built in terms 289 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,959 Speaker 3: of it complied with all state and local regulation, then 290 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 3: if it continues to operate in substantially the same way, 291 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 3: then local ordinances that come in. And this is true 292 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 3: where you have ranges, particularly outdoor ranges, that have been 293 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 3: in operation for a long time, and all of a sudden, 294 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 3: there's a bunch of development around them. All of a sudden, 295 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 3: there's a new neighborhood that goes in, all of a sudden, 296 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 3: there are new nice houses that get built, and all 297 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 3: of a sudden, somebody out cutting their grass or you know, 298 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 3: sitting in the backyard doesn't like the fact that they 299 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 3: can hear gunshots. So what do they do. They call 300 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: their local city council or county council and say, we 301 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: need to do something about these gun ranges that were 302 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 3: here at the time I built my house, or that 303 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: here is the time I bought my house and moved in. 304 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 3: I knew they were there all along, or with a 305 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 3: little bit of research, I should have known they were there. 306 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 3: But now I don't like the fact that I can 307 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 3: hear gunshots when I'm at my house. Or in my yard, 308 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 3: and so let's do something about this. And a significant 309 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: problem when there's all of a sudden a new noise 310 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: ordinance or there's a new restriction in zoning that suddenly says, 311 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 3: you know, this particular area isn't zoned any more for 312 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 3: a gun range. And so now we're going to shut 313 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 3: this range down. It's been there for a damn long time, 314 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 3: but we're going to we're going to we're allow new 315 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 3: local ordinances and local regulations shut that gun range down. 316 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 3: What's seventy six? Uh adds on to the fact that 317 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 3: that's been prohibited to some degree for quite a while. 318 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 3: But the problem is that local governments had been looking 319 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 3: at this particular provision about operated and substantially the same way. 320 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: And and now, what if a range wants to add 321 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 3: some amenities. What if they want to, you know, go 322 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 3: from a twelve station sporting clay range to a fourteen 323 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 3: station supporting clay range. Does that suddenly take them out 324 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 3: of the protection because they're no longer operating in substantially 325 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: the same way. What if they just want to improve 326 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 3: their facilities. Are they want to build a new outdoor 327 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 3: restroom facility, or they want to do whatever it is 328 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 3: to improve the amenities and and and and the services 329 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: that providing and the structure they're providing to their customers. 330 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: Now suddenly local governments can go, aha, you're no longer 331 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: operating and substantially the same way. Now we can put 332 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 3: you out of business with a new noise ordinance or 333 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: a new zoning ordinance and once seventy six and specifically 334 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: specifically prohibits that, but what it also does, and listen, 335 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 3: I have direct experience with this too, will helping friends 336 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 3: of mine who wanted to open new indoor gun ranges 337 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 3: where they want to open a new gun range and 338 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 3: they go to a particular location that's say zoned commercial 339 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 3: or zoned industrial or even zoned agricultural, and they want 340 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 3: to open a new gun range there, and suddenly the 341 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: local zoning board says, oh, no, you know, you need 342 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 3: to apply for a variance for the particular use that's 343 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: not specifically zoned for a gun range. So you need 344 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 3: to come to the local planning commission and we'll decide 345 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 3: whether we're going to allow you to open a gun 346 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 3: range there or not. And there have been a lot 347 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 3: of gun ranges. I remember it was a big deal 348 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: when at the time it was point blank, now it 349 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 3: was it's ranged USA. They had a big fight with 350 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 3: the city of Carmel, and I don't know if they 351 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 3: had the same fight in the city of Greenwood when 352 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: they opened down there, but in in Carmel there was 353 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 3: a big deal because for a long time there were 354 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 3: people on the on the on the Planning Commission and 355 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 3: therefore for Carmel or Hamilton County who were saying, well, 356 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: we're not so sure we want them to build a 357 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 3: gun range, and we're not sure we're going to grant 358 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 3: a variance. And at one point some of the people 359 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: involved in local city councilors and whatnot said, hold on, 360 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 3: it's zoned today, where a gun range can be built 361 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: there if they want, and we're not going to impose 362 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 3: any additional requirements. And so if it zoned the way 363 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: it's zoned, we're not going to impose any additional requirement. 364 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 3: They can open their damn gun range. And so they 365 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: ultimately happened that way, but there were people on the 366 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 3: Planning Commission who were trying to get in the way 367 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 3: of that. Well, Senate Bill one seventy six fixes that 368 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: and allows now ranges to open where the particular location 369 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 3: where they want to open is zoned either industrial or 370 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 3: commercial or agricultural. And if they're zoned that way, you 371 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 3: want to build an indoor gun range there as long 372 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 3: as you you make sure you contain all the projectiles 373 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 3: within your structure, and by definition, any indoor range is 374 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 3: going to do that and have some protection against noise 375 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: pollution to your neighbors. Then boom, no pun intended. You 376 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 3: can open your gun range. Big deal, very big deal. 377 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 3: And that was that was passed as well. I'll say, 378 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 3: or at the bottom of the arrow is take a break, 379 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 3: we'll come back. There was also a law now newly 380 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 3: passed in Indiana, and this is really the third victory 381 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 3: we had this year that deals with a transfer of 382 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 3: antique firearms. We come back. We'll have our buddy Kelly Myers, Uh, 383 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 3: you know him as Kelly and avon on Indiana Gun 384 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 3: Owners and on some of the other forums. He's a 385 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 3: frequent caller. He's also co director of Legislative Affairs for 386 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 3: the Indiana State Rifle and Pistol Association. And we'll have 387 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 3: Kelly join us talk a little bit about our third 388 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 3: victory this year. It has to do with antique firearms 389 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 3: a lot of times, including black powder or muzzleloader firearms, 390 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 3: and there's an overlap there. We'll talk about that victory, 391 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 3: what that really means for Indiana gun owners and continue 392 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 3: this week's edition of The Gun Guy Showed. Call and 393 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 3: join the discussion. Three one seven two three nine ninety 394 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 3: three ninety three. I've seen the lights flashing there and 395 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 3: Gavin's producer booth a little bit, so I know we've 396 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 3: had a couple of callers. Three one seven two three 397 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 3: nine ninety three ninety three, says Guy Ralford on The 398 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 3: Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC. 399 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: This show about gun rights, gun safety, and responsible to 400 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: gun ownership. This is the Gun Guy with Guy Ralford, 401 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: ninety three WYPC. 402 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Relvert and this is the 403 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 3: Gun Guys Show on ninety three WIBC. We're glad you're 404 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 3: with us, and we do have some callers that have 405 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 3: called in, including my buddy Kelly Myers, co director of 406 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 3: the Indiana co Director of Legislative Affairs, I should finish 407 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 3: for the Indiana State Rifle and Pistol Association and Kelly 408 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 3: my friend, welcome back to the Gun Guy Show. 409 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me on, Guy, it's good to 410 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 4: be here. 411 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely. So I talked about one seventy six, I talked 412 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 3: about twelve seventy four over in the House, and I 413 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 3: don't know if you've got anything to add to the 414 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 3: discussion on those, but I wanted you to also talk 415 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 3: about how we've changed in the anlaw to align with 416 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 3: federal law on the transfer of antique firearms. And this 417 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: could actually affect I think a lot of people in 418 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,719 Speaker 3: a lot of FFLs. 419 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, it certainly will, Guy. It was started out as 420 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 4: its own bill, I believe it was twelve seventy six, 421 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 4: something along that line, and then in this very short 422 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 4: session got rolled into an administrative law basically miscellaneous stuff bill, 423 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 4: and it was in there with stuff like, Okay, you've 424 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 4: had liquor licenses, you had gambling, you had just all 425 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 4: kinds of stuff. And when you got about fifty four 426 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 4: pages into it, you saw the very short bill which 427 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 4: aligns Indiana Code with US Code as far as transferring 428 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 4: black powder, antique or replicas of antique firearms, such as 429 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 4: you know, if you have occult peacemaker that was made 430 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 4: before I believe it's one January eighteen ninety nine. You know, 431 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 4: it's considered an antique. Or if you have a u 432 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 4: Bertie that looks just like one functions just like it, 433 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 4: it would be the same way. Now there are firearms. 434 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 4: You know, they're black powders. They're very laborious to load, 435 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 4: but these are firearms. And so in Indiana it basically 436 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 4: said you have to do a Knicks check on this firearm. 437 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 4: That the federal government was saying, no, don't do a 438 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 4: Knicks check. And so I didn't get a chance to 439 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 4: testify on this one. It was, yeah, twelve seventy four. 440 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 4: I sat in the hall for about two and a 441 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 4: half hours waiting to testify on it, and I looked 442 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 4: at my watch and I said, I can't be here. 443 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 4: So yeah, that one though. Yeah, I was going to 444 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 4: use the line it is both mandatory and forbidden them. 445 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 446 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 3: Well, and by the way, we say Knicks check, and 447 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 3: you and I know what that means. Some listeners may not, 448 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 3: but we're talking about the Federal Background Check NIX is 449 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 3: a national instant criminal background check system run by the 450 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 3: FBI out of West Virginia. And that's what happens when 451 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 3: you go into an FFL that I have to run 452 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 3: a background check on you before they can sell you 453 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 3: a firearm. And the disconnect, exactly as you just said, Kelly, 454 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 3: was that federal law says these are not considered firearms. 455 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 3: That is, these antique firearms that followed in the definition 456 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 3: you know that that don't fire a fixed cartridge, that 457 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 3: they're either a gun manufactured before a particular date or 458 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 3: a replica of such a gun. Then, you know, and 459 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 3: there's a broader definition than that. But if they fall 460 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 3: within this definition, the federal government saying it's not a firearm, 461 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 3: it should not be regulated as a firearm. But in Indiana, 462 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 3: the state law still required FFLs to run a background check, 463 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 3: and the federal governments, you know, because because that's who 464 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 3: the FBI is, you know, we we were contacting FBI, 465 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 3: going yeah, we need to run a background check on 466 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 3: this gun, and the FBI is going, no, you don't. 467 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 3: And so there was a big disconnect and it kind 468 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 3: of put FFLs in no man's land? Am I describing 469 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 3: that accurately? 470 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 4: You absolutely are, guy, And you know, like I said, 471 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 4: it was both mandatory and forbidden, and so it put 472 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 4: with as many NIX checks that they're doing monthly as 473 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 4: it is, they don't need any more extra work from 474 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 4: ones that wouldn't be wouldn't have one required National Shooting 475 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 4: Sports Foundation, which are a local rep for that is 476 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 4: Christopher Lee. That's not the man with the golden gun. 477 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 4: That's the other one. He was very much on point 478 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 4: with that, and I did see the video of his 479 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 4: testimony for it, and it was, you know, it was 480 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 4: very good laying out what kind of position it was 481 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 4: putting our FFLs in as far as Indiana says you 482 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 4: have to and then the people you're calling are upset 483 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 4: because well, you're wasting their time. 484 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. And another term, and I use this all the time, 485 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 3: and I always want to define it just in case 486 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: somebody is new to the show. FFL. We're talking about 487 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: federal firearms licensees, which are retail gun shops that have 488 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 3: to have that federal firearms license. So folks like killing 489 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 3: and either are involved in this. A lot of times 490 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 3: we'll just say FFL or talking about retailers. So I'm 491 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 3: sure there are tailors all across the state, in particular 492 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 3: those who actually deal in whether they take them in 493 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 3: and trade and then want to sell them or just 494 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: have them out there on display and for sale, where 495 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 3: these firearms do fall within the definition of an antique firearm. 496 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 3: Now we've clarified when they do, and they don't have 497 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 3: to run that next check, and that's a big deal 498 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 3: and that's going to make life easier for several gun owners. 499 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 3: And Kelly, listen, I'm going to let you go. We're 500 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 3: going into a break, but I'm going to talk about 501 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 3: what my wish list is going forward on Pro two 502 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 3: A legislation in Indiana. And you and I have talked 503 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 3: about some of this, some of which I haven't, but 504 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 3: don't be shy about calling back in if I get 505 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 3: through the list and I haven't mentioned something that's high 506 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 3: on your priority list. Because listen, one thing we know 507 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 3: what is the Jefferson quote, eternal vigilance is the price 508 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 3: of liberty. We're going to maintain eternally, maintain being internally 509 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 3: eternally vigilant and fighting for two A rights and we're 510 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 3: not stopping anytime soon. So we're always going to have 511 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 3: a wish list and an agenda and continue fighting in 512 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 3: the legislature. 513 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 4: Deck the YouTube chat guy, you might see a few 514 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 4: things in there. 515 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. Well, Kelly Myers, Co Director of 516 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: Legislative Affairs, for the Indiana State Rifle and Pistols Association. Thanks, brother, 517 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 3: We're going to take a break, we'll come back. We'll 518 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 3: start getting into the wish list a little bit. And 519 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 3: by the way, great time for calls. If if there's 520 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 3: a law that we don't have in Indiana that you 521 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 3: think we should on two A related issues, If there 522 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 3: is a law that you don't want that you think 523 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 3: you think can be improved or changed or repealed or replaced. Uh, 524 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 3: you got to you got a personal wish list. Hey, 525 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 3: now's the time to talk, because you're you've got the 526 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 3: right audience. You've got the founder of the two A 527 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 3: project right here on the radio. You've got a co 528 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 3: director of Legislative Affairs for Indiana State Rifle and Pistolsssociation, 529 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 3: which is the local organization for the NRA. He got 530 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 3: him listening. 531 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 4: Uh. 532 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 3: So you got the right audience with a whole bunch 533 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 3: of gun owners out there listening to the show as well. 534 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 3: So you gotta, you gotta, You got a wish list, 535 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 3: You got to complaint, you got an improvement you want 536 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 3: to suggest. Hey, now's the time get involved. Give us 537 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 3: a call. Three one seven two three nine ninety three 538 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 3: ninety three. This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy 539 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WYBC. 540 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: Your Guns. This is the Gun Guy with Guy Ralford, 541 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: ninety three wy VC. 542 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy 543 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 3: Show on ninety three w ib C. And I'll tell 544 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 3: you what a number of people have called in. Uh, casey, 545 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: It's all right, let's do that. Let's go to the 546 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 3: phone line and we'll take casey. 547 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:50,959 Speaker 6: Uh. 548 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Gun Guy Show. 549 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, thank what. 550 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 7: I've got a question about the forced reset triggers. Sure 551 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 7: I read and I wish I could remember where it was, 552 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,959 Speaker 7: but I can't. Anyway, it said that they were legal 553 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 7: unless you put it on your gun to make it 554 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 7: a machine gun. And I'm thinking, well, it the trigger 555 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 7: either does or it don't. So is it what you 556 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 7: call your gun? I'm confused. 557 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know where you read that case. But 558 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 3: the whole issue is whether a forced reset trigger. And 559 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 3: let's talk about what we're talking what the definition of 560 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 3: a forced reset trigger is a little bit, and that 561 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 3: is that, uh, it's a trigger that actually does fire 562 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 3: a gun in semi automatic mode. So you pull the 563 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 3: gun one time, you get one shot. But then the 564 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 3: trigger itself through a mechanical the mechanical composition of the trigger, 565 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 3: the trigger resets itself forcibly, so it'll actually push your 566 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 3: finger forward as the trigger resets. You don't have to 567 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 3: let pressure off the trigger in order for the trigger 568 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,479 Speaker 3: to reset like you do in a typical semi automatic trigger. 569 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 3: So the gun forcibly resets itself, and then if you 570 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 3: maintain some constant rear word pressure on the trigger, the 571 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 3: gun will continue to fire. And it does all that 572 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 3: very very quickly. And there's a very similar mechanism called 573 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 3: a super safety, the one particular company came out with 574 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 3: and now it's being emulated by other companies, but it 575 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 3: does the same thing. It does it through a different mechanism, 576 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 3: but it does the same thing. It forcibly resets the 577 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 3: trigger and you just maintain that constant rear word pressure 578 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 3: and the gun continues to shoot. And if you listen 579 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 3: to someone shooting a force reset trigger or done with 580 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 3: a super safety, which is kind of another form of 581 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 3: forced reset trigger, it sounds automatic. And so the question arose, 582 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 3: and ATF took the position initially that these are they're 583 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 3: converting guns to machine guns. But one particular manufacturer sued 584 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 3: the ATF saying, no, it's still as semi automatic. You 585 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 3: know what, it's as semi automatic and we know it 586 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 3: is too, And the federal government settled that lawsuit and 587 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 3: allowed them to continue selling their forced reset triggers, and 588 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 3: in that settlement said they were no longer going to 589 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 3: go after their customers or anything else. So that for 590 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 3: forced reset triggers today casey the ATF, they haven't come 591 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 3: out and said they're all legal no matter who made them. 592 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 3: But rare Breed is the company that initially marketed those 593 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 3: and sold them, designed them. They are in a situation 594 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 3: where they're not going to be sued, they're not going 595 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 3: to be prosecuted, and their customers are not as well. 596 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 3: So I have a very hard time believing that anyone 597 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 3: with a force reset trigger could be prosecuted by ATF 598 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 3: for having one in their gun. Because of the settlement 599 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 3: with rare Breed, I have a super safety in one 600 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 3: of my guns and I don't have a second pause, 601 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 3: second thought about it. So with that, we need to 602 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 3: take a break. We'll be back and continue the discussion, 603 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 3: and as well as your calls. If you're on hold, 604 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 3: we'll get to you here after the top of the hour. 605 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 3: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on 606 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 3: ninety three WYBC. 607 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of 608 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep 609 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: in their arms shall not be infringed. This is the 610 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy. 611 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom bang bang bang bang boom boom 612 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 2: boom boom bang. 613 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: Bang bo Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC. 614 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 3: And welcome back for hour number two, The Gun Guy 615 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 3: Show here on ninety three WIBC. We're glad you're with us. 616 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. Let's go right back to the 617 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 3: phone lines and I'll tell you we just had a 618 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 3: call her drop off who was going to suggest I 619 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 3: believe what I call a campus carry bill based on 620 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 3: what is Joe on there or not? Devin, he is no, 621 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 3: he's not. Okay, Yeah, Joe had called in and uh, 622 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 3: and we want to talk about I believe campus carry. 623 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 3: So I'll tell you what, Joe, if we went too 624 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 3: long on having you on, old brother, I apologize. I 625 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 3: feel free to call back in because that's on the agenda. 626 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 3: That is definitely something we're going to talk about. In 627 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 3: the meantime, let's go back to the phone lines, and 628 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 3: my buddy E Buzz has called in, a frequent caller 629 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 3: we haven't heard from from for a while. E Buzz. 630 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Gun Guy Show. 631 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 4: Hi, how you doing, guys? 632 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 5: Thank you very much? 633 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 3: Sure, brother, You doing all right? 634 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, doing good, doing good. 635 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,919 Speaker 8: Okay. My wish list is get the bill to sow 636 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 8: All hirearm Percy's firearm mufflers as a accessory and not 637 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 8: through the nineteen thirty four bill. 638 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, we've got to do that at the federal level, man, 639 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 3: And we were fairly close on that, Ebuzz. And that 640 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 3: is this year in the great, big, beautiful bill, the 641 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 3: provision that dealt with silencers or suppressors or as you say, 642 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 3: and it is the correct term in the federal legislation 643 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 3: firearm muffler or silencer, of the two terms they use 644 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 3: in the National Firearms Act. In nineteen thirty four, there 645 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,879 Speaker 3: was that bill as to it related to suppressors went 646 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 3: through a number of changes, one of which was originally 647 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 3: was going to take some suppressors out of the NFA 648 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 3: altogether so it would accomplish exactly what you just suggested. 649 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,760 Speaker 3: And then it went back and forth worth and eventually 650 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 3: what they did is they just took away the two 651 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 3: hundred dollars tax. So I've bought two suppressors since January one. 652 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 3: I'm addicted to shooting suppressed. 653 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 7: Man. 654 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 3: The more I shoot suppressed, the more I want to 655 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,399 Speaker 3: shoot suppressed, and the more suppressors I want to buy 656 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 3: for different firearms that I own. But I've bought two 657 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 3: of them since January one, and they're both tax free. 658 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 3: So that's not near as good as what we would 659 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 3: like to do, which is take them all the way 660 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 3: out of the NFA E buzz. But we're gonna have 661 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 3: to do that at the federal level. I thought we 662 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 3: had a shot this year and that was in the 663 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 3: bill for a substantial period of time. We had some 664 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 3: rhinos get a little weak need on that and it 665 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 3: was taken out. But hey, in the meantime, at least 666 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 3: they are tax free now, as well as SBRs short 667 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 3: barreled rifles and short barreled shotguns. Big fan of SBRs 668 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 3: and SBS's as well. Those are now tax free to 669 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 3: either build or transfer as well. Go back to the 670 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 3: phone lines, and Thomas has called in Thomas, welcome to 671 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 3: The Gun Guy Show. Thomas, You there, buddy? Hello, Yeah, Thomas, 672 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 3: you're on The Gun Guy show man. What do you 673 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 3: got for us? 674 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 5: All right, thanks for taking my call. What I want 675 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 5: to talk about is how there are several states that 676 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 5: are trying to attack my gun ownership through making it 677 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:29,399 Speaker 5: difficult to do anything. Gun is jacent and I work 678 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 5: with three D printers, and there are bills or laws 679 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 5: actually in California now that are regulating that CNC machines 680 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 5: and three D printers have to have a system built 681 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 5: into them that checks a state database to see if 682 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 5: what you want to approve fits the guidelines of what 683 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 5: they consider a handgun or some kind of gung related item. 684 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 3: Right, So, you could be making, you could you could 685 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 3: be making, you know, building blocks for your kids as toys, 686 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 3: nothing related whatsoever to firearms. But California wants you to 687 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 3: have some kind of an approval process for what you 688 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 3: want to make on your three D printer to make 689 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 3: sure you're not making a gun. That's my understanding. Is 690 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 3: that what you've seen, Yes, But the thing is is 691 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 3: any printer. 692 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 5: Has to have this ability built into it at a 693 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 5: level that cannot be easily circumvented. By someone with the 694 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 5: skills to do it. And that's going to require is 695 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 5: the manufacturers that have to put in hardware and firmware 696 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 5: that will control anything in the future the state decides 697 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 5: they don't want you to print. 698 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and listen, and Thomas, I'm with you on California. 699 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 3: And we can talk about a lot more about what's 700 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 3: going on in California and Washington and Massachusetts and Connecticut 701 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 3: and New Jersey and New York. And listen, all I 702 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 3: can tell you is, thank god we live in Indiana 703 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,760 Speaker 3: and and and and and that we need the Supreme 704 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 3: Court to step up and start ruling on some of 705 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 3: these additional gun cases. I start striking some of these 706 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,879 Speaker 3: things down. But listen, if you want a welcome here 707 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 3: and and someone to agree with you on how ridiculous 708 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,919 Speaker 3: things are in California, Hey, you picked the right guy. 709 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 3: But we could go on forever on how completely ridiculous 710 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 3: it is out there in terms of California and how 711 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 3: how horrible their laws are. But all I can tell 712 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 3: you is that thank God we don't live there. Now, 713 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 3: I'll say you, let's go back to the phone lines, 714 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 3: and Paul is called Paul. Welcome to the gun Guy Show. 715 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 9: Hey Guy, I love love your show. Thanks man, Thanks 716 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 9: for taking my thanks for taking my call. Hey, is 717 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 9: there a shelf life or a safe amount period of 718 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 9: time to use old shotgun shells? I just wonder if they, 719 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 9: you know, can basically you know, be unsafe at some point, 720 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 9: and if so, what's the best way to dispose of those? 721 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 3: You know, that's a great question, and you'll get a 722 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 3: lot of different answers on this. It's going to vary 723 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,720 Speaker 3: tremendously by the quality of the manufacturer of the shell. 724 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,399 Speaker 3: I think of shotgun shells as maybe having a little 725 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 3: shorter shelf life then you know, like handgun, a rifle 726 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 3: ammunition that has a metal shell casing and as opposed 727 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 3: to you know, plastic components like a lot of shotguns do. 728 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 3: I don't know that you could get any consensus on 729 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 3: what a particular shelf life is. My view is is 730 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,879 Speaker 3: if I'm just going to go out and I have 731 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 3: some pretty damn old shotgun ammunition sitting around that I 732 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 3: have stored up, that I bought a lot of at 733 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 3: some point I got a great deal on it or whatnot, 734 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 3: I have it stored up in my safes, and my 735 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,799 Speaker 3: view is if it's for sporting purposes or just for fun, hey, 736 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 3: go shoot it up. You're not going to have, you know, 737 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 3: a not according to any scientific or mechanical theory I 738 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 3: can come up with in my head. And I'm not 739 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 3: a gunsmith or an ammunition engineer, but I can't think 740 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 3: of anything that would result in anything really catastrophic happening 741 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,479 Speaker 3: other than just a primer not functioning because it's old 742 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 3: or it's been degraded in some way through temperature or moisture. 743 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 3: All I can think of is a gun. Is it 744 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 3: just not working? And if it works, then hey, if 745 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 3: you if for shorting supporting purposes or again just for fun. 746 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 3: Now for my self defense shotgun. If I've got an 747 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 3: eight to seventy out of the bed, do I want 748 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 3: to refresh that ammunition from time to time? Do I 749 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 3: want to shoot up what's in the gun and reload 750 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 3: fresh ammunition into it just to make sure I have 751 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 3: one hundred percent reliable gun. If God forbid, somebody kicks 752 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,840 Speaker 3: my door in the middle of the night, that's a 753 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 3: whole different thing. But you know what, just for fun 754 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 3: or go out and shoot around to sporting plays with 755 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 3: I'm not going to care how old it is. I'll 756 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 3: go shoot it up. If there's somebody out there who 757 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 3: knows more than I do about the manufacturer of shotgun 758 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,320 Speaker 3: ammunition and you disagree, Hey, I'd love to get that input. 759 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 3: And I am somewhat limited on the actual mechanics and 760 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 3: science involved, but that's how i'd approach that issue. I'll 761 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 3: tell you what worth a quarter hour. Let's take a break. 762 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 3: We've had great callers, and I think Joe has called 763 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 3: back in and we're glad he did. But let's go 764 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,839 Speaker 3: ahead and take a break. We'll be right back. This 765 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 3: is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety 766 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 3: three WYBC. 767 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 1: Your Rights, Your Responsibilities, your guns. This is the Gun 768 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 1: Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC. 769 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy 770 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 3: Show on n three wib See. Let's talk a little 771 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,840 Speaker 3: bit about what our agenda is going forward on Second 772 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 3: Amendment rights in the Indiana General Assembly. And listen, we 773 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,839 Speaker 3: did have some some nice wins this year. Definitely is 774 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 3: gonna the combination of those bills is going to help 775 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 3: Indiana gun owners and Indiana gun retailers and people that 776 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 3: want to build new gun ranges. In Indiana. There are 777 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 3: each significant and we're glad we got them done, but 778 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,320 Speaker 3: you know, we never want to rest on our laurels. 779 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 3: And again the great quote I always attribute to Thomas Jefferson. 780 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 3: Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. The price of freedom 781 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 3: is eternal vigilance. And I may have screwed that up 782 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 3: earlier in the show when I had Kelly on the phone, 783 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 3: But that's the way I've always looked at it, and 784 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 3: and I think that's exactly the way we need to 785 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 3: approach it, and so we always want to continue to fight. 786 00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 3: I'll talk a little bit about my wish list and 787 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 3: what I want to see happen in the future, one 788 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 3: of the most important things to me. And listen, this 789 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 3: is a little bit of my personal agenda because of 790 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 3: the nature of my law practice. But I handle a 791 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,399 Speaker 3: lot of red flag cases and we had a great 792 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 3: bill last year, actually passed unanimously in both the House 793 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 3: and the Senate that for the first time allows people 794 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,800 Speaker 3: who win their red flat cases to get those cases 795 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 3: expunged off their record. And that was a big deal. 796 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 3: And listen, I had a red flat case that went 797 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,400 Speaker 3: over two days, the last two days up in Hamilton County, 798 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,319 Speaker 3: and I, of course don't talk about my cases and 799 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 3: any details on the air. It wouldn't be appropriate to 800 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,480 Speaker 3: do so, and I won't talk about that case. But 801 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 3: an issue in that case, many and every one of 802 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,440 Speaker 3: my Red Flag cases, is whether or not that that case, 803 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 3: if we win and approve that someone's not dangerous, or 804 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 3: the state fails to prove that they are dangerous, whether 805 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 3: that case should continue to haunt them and affect them 806 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 3: and cost them career opportunities, cost them relationships, cost them, 807 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:10,239 Speaker 3: volunteer opportunities, all of which I've seen from my clients 808 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,240 Speaker 3: over the years. And that's why the expungement bill was huge, 809 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 3: and it's already helping. It's already helped, I mean hell, 810 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 3: And we don't know the result of the case I 811 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,759 Speaker 3: was just involved in, but I've had five other Red 812 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 3: Flag hearings in the last thirty days and we've won 813 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,799 Speaker 3: each one of them, and each one we were able 814 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,760 Speaker 3: to get exponged. And that's huge. So that was a victory. 815 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,360 Speaker 3: But I'm not done on red Flag yet. And we 816 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 3: listen back in twenty nineteen, we greatly improved the statute. 817 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 3: It's still subject to horrible abuse that we see that regularly. 818 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,959 Speaker 3: But one thing we definitely need is that because red 819 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:59,439 Speaker 3: flag proceeding is a civil proceeding, it's not criminal. It's 820 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,800 Speaker 3: civil because if you lose, you don't go to jail, 821 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,799 Speaker 3: but your firearms are seized, your firearms remain seized, and 822 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 3: you've lost your Second Amendment rights going forward. But because 823 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 3: it's a civil proceeding, do you know that there's no 824 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,840 Speaker 3: right to lawyer, there's no right to counsel in a 825 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,919 Speaker 3: red flag proceeding? And listen the way red flag cases go, 826 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 3: and I've seen this play out too many times and 827 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 3: in some counties it's really egregious the way the prosecutors 828 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,480 Speaker 3: approach this process. Because the way this happens and the 829 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,799 Speaker 3: way the statute's written, this statute is written to give 830 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,279 Speaker 3: you a hearing very quickly. And listen. I think the 831 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 3: motivation of the General Assembly in making sure there's a 832 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:48,279 Speaker 3: prompt hearing on the issue of dangerousness, whether you're dangerous 833 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 3: and therefore may not possess firearms, or whether gun seized 834 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 3: from you should remain in the hands of law enforcement 835 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 3: and not return to you. The legislature built into that 836 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,480 Speaker 3: a requirement for hearing within fourteen days well, that's pretty 837 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,680 Speaker 3: damn fast. That's pretty damn fast for any kind of 838 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 3: legal proceeding, particularly in certain counties. And so people have 839 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,439 Speaker 3: something that happens to them. They may have a fight 840 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,759 Speaker 3: with their significant other, they may have some kind of 841 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,960 Speaker 3: an episode involving them being depressed, or them being reported 842 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,880 Speaker 3: as being suicidal or whatever. It may happen that it 843 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 3: causes someone to pick up the phone and call nine 844 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 3: one one. And sometimes, by the way, and I've seen 845 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 3: this happen, it's vindictive. There's no legitimate basis for a 846 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 3: person to have their gun seas. People are doing this 847 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 3: simply out of spite. I've seen it happen from angry 848 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 3: exes or soon to be exes. I've seen it happen 849 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 3: in neighbors who had an ongoing dispute about where they 850 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,440 Speaker 3: left their trash cans, and when neighbor decides, by god, 851 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,880 Speaker 3: I know that guy's a competition shooter. I see him 852 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,719 Speaker 3: loading gun cases in and out of his car. I 853 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,400 Speaker 3: know how to get him and falsely report did but 854 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 3: the guy was dangerous under the red Flag case. And 855 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,040 Speaker 3: by the way, one thing we did get through is 856 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,160 Speaker 3: I wrote a bill to make false reporting under the 857 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,520 Speaker 3: Red Flag Statue to crime a few years ago, and 858 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,120 Speaker 3: last year Senator Aaron Freeman got through a bill that 859 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,960 Speaker 3: greatly improved the bill that I wrote. As I try, 860 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,799 Speaker 3: I wrote it to make false reporting of felony, and 861 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,680 Speaker 3: the legislature didn't want to pass that. They weren't creating 862 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,359 Speaker 3: any quote unquote new felonies. They didn't want to at 863 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 3: the time. But last year Senator Aaron Freeman wrote a 864 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,839 Speaker 3: bill that now elevates, in most circumstances, false reporting under 865 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,200 Speaker 3: the Red Flag Statue to be a felony. That's huge. 866 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,799 Speaker 3: But the legislature wants you to get a quick hearing, 867 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,840 Speaker 3: so it says within fourteen days. So what happens is 868 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 3: a lot of these people get a notice of a 869 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,920 Speaker 3: court date and they didn't understand that's the hearing. It's 870 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:54,319 Speaker 3: not a preliminary initial hearing like we call it an 871 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,320 Speaker 3: arraignment like we have in federal cases. In criminal cases, 872 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,400 Speaker 3: it's not a preliminary hearing. It's not a pre trial conference. 873 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 3: It's the hearing. There's going to be a hearing that 874 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,480 Speaker 3: determines whether you're dangerous or not. If you're found to 875 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 3: be dangerous, you've just lost your second Amendment rights, and 876 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 3: you've lost your guns at least until you can request 877 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,560 Speaker 3: another hearing and go back in and improve you're no 878 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,600 Speaker 3: longer dangerous. And there are all kinds of timing restrictions 879 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,440 Speaker 3: and whatnot on that. So a lot of these people 880 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,359 Speaker 3: show up. They've only heard about this hearing for a 881 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 3: few days, because they don't get served right away with 882 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,759 Speaker 3: the papers to tell them there's a hearing. They may 883 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,600 Speaker 3: have only a week or a ten days or so 884 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 3: to even know there is a hearing. They show up 885 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,080 Speaker 3: and it's them, some person off the street, no legal background, 886 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,600 Speaker 3: and it's them against a professional prosecutor. And many of 887 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,320 Speaker 3: these prosecutors a big part of what they do is 888 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,480 Speaker 3: handle red flatcases. So not only professional lawyers and prosecutors, 889 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 3: but they're experts. Put experts in quotes with some of 890 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,320 Speaker 3: these people, but they have experience and background in handling 891 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 3: red flatcases. So you get a private individual with very 892 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:07,400 Speaker 3: little notice and no background in the law or litigation 893 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,400 Speaker 3: or even necessarily understanding the law, and they have to 894 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 3: go in there and go up against a professional prosecutor 895 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,399 Speaker 3: to try to win their case. How do you think 896 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,760 Speaker 3: that goes? Time after time after time, it goes very poorly, 897 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,799 Speaker 3: and a lot of these people, have they been represented, 898 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 3: might have very easily have won their case, but the 899 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,360 Speaker 3: way the law is ridden, they're not given the opportunity 900 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,120 Speaker 3: to do so, and they have no right to counsel, 901 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,719 Speaker 3: they have no right to assistance. And get this, it 902 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 3: gets worse in some counties. And I won't call these 903 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 3: counties out when if and when we get this bill 904 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,600 Speaker 3: and we get a hearing on it, I will name 905 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,839 Speaker 3: names at that point. But there are certain counties where 906 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 3: they're not only serve you all this paperwork, but they 907 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,279 Speaker 3: serve you with a bunch of additional documents that most 908 00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,879 Speaker 3: lay people are not going to understand their interrogatories. Those 909 00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,040 Speaker 3: are written questions request for admissions, which, by the way, 910 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,520 Speaker 3: if you don't respond to them, they're deemed admitted. But 911 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,920 Speaker 3: most non lawyers have no idea that's true. Requests for 912 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,360 Speaker 3: production of documents, making you bring in all these different 913 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,760 Speaker 3: documents to produce those, and then they say, well, because 914 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,400 Speaker 3: we have to have a hearing in fourteen days, we 915 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,440 Speaker 3: need expedited discovery, so we need all this information in 916 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 3: five days. And the judge grants the expedited discovery. So 917 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,319 Speaker 3: now you just get this stack of papers to say 918 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,279 Speaker 3: you need to be in court in fourteen days, but 919 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,000 Speaker 3: you don't get it fourteen days before you get it. 920 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,960 Speaker 3: Who knows, ten, eight, nine, whatever the number is of 921 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 3: days before that hearing. Then you've got to respond to 922 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,480 Speaker 3: all this discovery. And you may be at or near 923 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,279 Speaker 3: the deadline for responding to all the papers that they 924 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,360 Speaker 3: served with you, because the five days ran from the 925 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,319 Speaker 3: date that the judge signed the order. So you're a 926 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,200 Speaker 3: non lawyer dealing with this fist full of paperwork that 927 00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,160 Speaker 3: got delivered to your doorstep, and you have a hearing 928 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,799 Speaker 3: coming up in fourteen days? Is that fair? How is 929 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,880 Speaker 3: that fair to the typical non lawyer in this state? 930 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,920 Speaker 3: And it happens over and over and over again, and 931 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,440 Speaker 3: the prosecutors know it, and they do it intentionally, and 932 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,600 Speaker 3: they beat up on these people. I've seen prosecutors actually 933 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,759 Speaker 3: have the person sign orders that say they agree that 934 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:24,239 Speaker 3: they're dangerous. And one I just saw that the prosecutor 935 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,640 Speaker 3: put in the agreement that they agree to the destruction 936 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:32,120 Speaker 3: of the firearms. The statue says specifically the firearms can't 937 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,399 Speaker 3: be destroyed for at least five years down the road. 938 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,600 Speaker 3: Once the person's found to be dangerous and there has 939 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,160 Speaker 3: to be a hearing before the judge can order them 940 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 3: to be destroyed. But a prosecutor taking advantage of a 941 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,040 Speaker 3: private individual builds into an agreement. They have this poor 942 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,799 Speaker 3: person signed because they're not represented and have no right 943 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,080 Speaker 3: to counsel if they can't afford their own lawyer, they 944 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:58,799 Speaker 3: agree to the destruction of the firearm. That's horrific, it's 945 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:04,799 Speaker 3: in my mind, unethical, but that's what happens, and it 946 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,319 Speaker 3: happens repeatedly because there's no right to council. And that's 947 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,520 Speaker 3: something I want to fix. I'm going to draft the 948 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,600 Speaker 3: build next legislative session and to say yes, I understand 949 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,759 Speaker 3: it's a criminal it's not a criminal case, it's a 950 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,960 Speaker 3: civil case. But in this case, because constitutional rights are 951 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,040 Speaker 3: at stake, and if you could lose your Second Amendment freedom, 952 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:30,280 Speaker 3: you can lose your property. And some of these people, 953 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:35,560 Speaker 3: I've had cases just recently where there were tens and 954 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,279 Speaker 3: tens of thousands of dollars of guns involved. People had 955 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,879 Speaker 3: whole collections. One client was a collector of World War 956 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,840 Speaker 3: II era firearms, all from different from all different countries, 957 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,319 Speaker 3: and it was a great collection, and it was one 958 00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,040 Speaker 3: of his greatest assets that he owned, and that's at 959 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:57,000 Speaker 3: stake in this red Flag case. And he doesn't have 960 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,560 Speaker 3: a right to council. Now he was someone, thankfully could 961 00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,880 Speaker 3: afford a lawyer. What if you can't afford a lawyer, 962 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,919 Speaker 3: you got a professional prosecutor on the other side. How 963 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,759 Speaker 3: is that fair? How is that even constitutional? How does 964 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,320 Speaker 3: that comport with requirements of due process? Because due process 965 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,399 Speaker 3: in a criminal case requires that you be represented if 966 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,560 Speaker 3: you can't afford when the state appoints one for you, 967 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,040 Speaker 3: So I can lose my constitutional right I can use. 968 00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,440 Speaker 3: I could lose my property potentially tens or hundreds of 969 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,719 Speaker 3: thousands of dollars worth. If I'm a collector or let's 970 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,640 Speaker 3: say I'm a high end sporting clay shooter. Heck, I 971 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,920 Speaker 3: don't buy these guns. I can't afford these guns. But 972 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 3: I shoot with people that have thirty thousand dollars shotguns 973 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,680 Speaker 3: and they shoot sporting clays with and some of them 974 00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,520 Speaker 3: have many more than one. So they could lose that 975 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,840 Speaker 3: property and lose their Second Amendment rights and they have 976 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 3: no right to counsel. That's not okay. That's not okay. 977 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,160 Speaker 3: So that's on my agenda. That's high on my agenda 978 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,280 Speaker 3: and listen, that applies to a relative, relatively small segment 979 00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,359 Speaker 3: of people. Thankfully, you know, most of us, the vast 980 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,360 Speaker 3: majority of us go through our lives will never be 981 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,759 Speaker 3: the subject of a red flatcase. But for those that 982 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,480 Speaker 3: are caught up in that, that's a big item for me, 983 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,239 Speaker 3: something I want to talk a lot more about. We're 984 00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,640 Speaker 3: gonna have a bill next legislative session in twenty twenty seven. 985 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,360 Speaker 3: But at the bottom of the arrows, take a break, 986 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,040 Speaker 3: we'll come back and I'll tell you what we'll talk to. 987 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,280 Speaker 3: We'll take Joe's call. Joe has been on hole for 988 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,440 Speaker 3: a while, dropped off, but thankfully called back. Talk about 989 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,800 Speaker 3: to Joe about what his agenda is, and take additional calls. 990 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,760 Speaker 3: Join the discussion. Three one, seven, two, three, nine, ninety three, 991 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,040 Speaker 3: ninety three. This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy 992 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:33,680 Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WYBC. 993 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,720 Speaker 1: No, you got it, got Guy Guy Ralfrid on ninety 994 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:43,960 Speaker 1: three WYPC. 995 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,920 Speaker 3: And welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy 996 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:53,720 Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. Man, I just totally reacted 997 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,200 Speaker 3: to a comment I got on in the chat room 998 00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,440 Speaker 3: on YouTube of people watching the live feed and I 999 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,680 Speaker 3: was just talking about red flag and what I think 1000 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,920 Speaker 3: is a greatly needed improvement, and somebody on there went 1001 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,760 Speaker 3: on there and said, well, but you did help pass 1002 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,360 Speaker 3: the red flag law, or initially didn't you, And I 1003 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,720 Speaker 3: went nuts and probably used some words I definitely cannot 1004 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,800 Speaker 3: use on the radio because that is absolute BS. And 1005 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,560 Speaker 3: I spelled that word out on the chat. I absolutely 1006 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,240 Speaker 3: had nothing to do that. We've had a red flag 1007 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,120 Speaker 3: law in since two thousand and five in Indiana, and 1008 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:34,040 Speaker 3: it happened after the murder of an officer, Jay Laird 1009 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,120 Speaker 3: on the near southeast side of Indianapolis, and that law 1010 00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,439 Speaker 3: got introduced and Patt was lightning fast and I had 1011 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,520 Speaker 3: absolutely no role whatsoever. And if anybody said I somehow 1012 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,680 Speaker 3: advocated for that or was involved in any way or 1013 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,640 Speaker 3: helped get that law passed, that is a bold faced lie. 1014 00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,280 Speaker 3: And I wish I could use all the words I 1015 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,640 Speaker 3: just use on the chat, because man, that flies in 1016 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,720 Speaker 3: the face of what I've been working on and working 1017 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,360 Speaker 3: for for a damn long time, and frankly pisses me off. 1018 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,440 Speaker 3: You might hear's a rumor like that, You send me 1019 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:17,280 Speaker 3: the link and I will light some mf up. Who's 1020 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,760 Speaker 3: spreading that kind of lie. I will refute that and 1021 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,600 Speaker 3: h and bring the receipts. In the meantime, Joe has 1022 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,160 Speaker 3: been on hold forever. And Joe, thanks so much for 1023 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:32,720 Speaker 3: your patience. You've got a wish list item for what 1024 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,360 Speaker 3: you'd like to see happened in Indiana. Well, yeah, I was. 1025 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,600 Speaker 6: Wanting to know about the campus carry I guess law 1026 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,000 Speaker 6: that they've got out there. I got a flyer there 1027 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,360 Speaker 6: today said that that you're not even allowed to have 1028 00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,240 Speaker 6: a gun in your own personal vehicle even if you're 1029 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,200 Speaker 6: on if you're on any campus property, And what concerns 1030 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,560 Speaker 6: me the most is either public access parking lots. So 1031 00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,000 Speaker 6: I was wondering if you could elaborate a little bit 1032 00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,600 Speaker 6: about that and see if there's any kind of playback 1033 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:00,840 Speaker 6: on that. 1034 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe, and thanks so much for your patients. By 1035 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:07,479 Speaker 3: the way, what you're talking about there is not a law. 1036 01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,840 Speaker 3: There's no law in Indiana that says you can't have 1037 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,680 Speaker 3: a gun on a college campus. There's a law that 1038 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:17,760 Speaker 3: says you can't have a gun on school property, and 1039 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,800 Speaker 3: that's a state law. And there's also another law so 1040 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,240 Speaker 3: you can't have a gun in a school zone, which 1041 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,120 Speaker 3: is defined as a school property and anywhere within a 1042 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,200 Speaker 3: thousand feet of a school, subject to a bunch of exceptions. 1043 01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,320 Speaker 3: That's a federal law, the Federal Gun Free School Zones Act. 1044 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,600 Speaker 3: But both of those laws, both the state law and 1045 01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,120 Speaker 3: the Indiana law, excuse me, the state law and the 1046 01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:41,280 Speaker 3: federal law dealing with gun free school zones or gun 1047 01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,440 Speaker 3: free schools is only K through twelve and licensed state cares. 1048 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,880 Speaker 3: So there's no law that says in Indiana, where federal 1049 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,960 Speaker 3: laws you can't have a gun on college campus. What 1050 01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:55,600 Speaker 3: there is a lot if not Well, certainly most if 1051 01:00:55,640 --> 01:01:00,240 Speaker 3: not all colleges in Indiana, both state and price of It, 1052 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,400 Speaker 3: have a policy that says you can't have a gun 1053 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,520 Speaker 3: on campus. And that's that's not a law, it's simply 1054 01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,080 Speaker 3: their policy. So, for instance, if I violate that policy, 1055 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,160 Speaker 3: I go walking across the middle of the campus of 1056 01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,400 Speaker 3: what used to be I p Y here in downtown Indy, 1057 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,440 Speaker 3: and somebody you know, sees me carrying a gun and 1058 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,680 Speaker 3: my holster or whatever and reports me. Then the campus 1059 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,439 Speaker 3: police can show up and they go, hey, you can't 1060 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,840 Speaker 3: have a gun here on school. They probably have a lockdown, 1061 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,040 Speaker 3: they'll probably you know, they'll probably be a great overreaction 1062 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,240 Speaker 3: to somebody just carrying their gun in their holster. But 1063 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,920 Speaker 3: they can kick me off, but I don't go to jail. 1064 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,960 Speaker 3: And what if I'm a student and I violate the 1065 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,520 Speaker 3: policy including and I've had this situation. I talk about 1066 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,640 Speaker 3: this person often. I had a person call me and 1067 01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,120 Speaker 3: was heartbroken because he just got expelled because he had 1068 01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,280 Speaker 3: his gun in his car in a parking garage on 1069 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:57,840 Speaker 3: the ip Y campus and and and the car got stolen. 1070 01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,040 Speaker 3: And so this kid, being a a good citizen, called 1071 01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,000 Speaker 3: campus police said, yeah, my car was stolen in by 1072 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:04,240 Speaker 3: the way, I want to let you know, there was 1073 01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,880 Speaker 3: a glock nineteen in the console and here's a serial number. 1074 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:12,840 Speaker 3: Kid got expelled and he wanted to called me, wanted 1075 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,960 Speaker 3: if there's something he could do about that. Unfortunately he 1076 01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,840 Speaker 3: had that those are the policies of his university. And 1077 01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,400 Speaker 3: if you're an employee of the university, your staff member 1078 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,360 Speaker 3: or faculty, you can get you can get fired or 1079 01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:30,680 Speaker 3: otherwise reprimanded and punished. But it's not a law. So 1080 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,760 Speaker 3: what in this in campus carry is what we call 1081 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,120 Speaker 3: the remedial bill on this and what it has said. 1082 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,480 Speaker 3: And listen, Representative Jim Lucas, my buddy from District sixty 1083 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,040 Speaker 3: nine down in the Seymour area, has had a bill 1084 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,200 Speaker 3: more than one session and we haven't been able to 1085 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,840 Speaker 3: get it a hearing. But a campus carry bill. What 1086 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,800 Speaker 3: that says is that if you receive money from the state, 1087 01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,640 Speaker 3: if you're a state university or otherwise received money from 1088 01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,560 Speaker 3: the state, then you can't have a policy that prevents people, 1089 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:03,400 Speaker 3: including students or staff or visitors. You can't prevent them 1090 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,440 Speaker 3: from having a gun on campus. And if you do, 1091 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,960 Speaker 3: then you're risking your funding that comes from the state. 1092 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,000 Speaker 3: And listen, a number of states have passed these, not 1093 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,680 Speaker 3: a not a ton, but some. I remember there's a 1094 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,480 Speaker 3: big fight in Texas over this until they end up 1095 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,800 Speaker 3: getting it passed. And what I like to see that 1096 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,560 Speaker 3: bill here absolutely Listen. I've had three kids go through college, 1097 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,320 Speaker 3: including a daughter, and when you look at the number 1098 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:33,240 Speaker 3: of the amount of crime, including uh, sex crimes, the rapes, 1099 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:37,280 Speaker 3: the assaults that happen on college campuses, then they tend 1100 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,720 Speaker 3: to get hushed up and not talked about or publicity 1101 01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,240 Speaker 3: publicize very much. But the numbers are somewhat staggering, and 1102 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:49,040 Speaker 3: a percentage of of of college students females that are 1103 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,200 Speaker 3: attacked in some way on campus. The number is way 1104 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:57,480 Speaker 3: too hot, and and and so. But today, because of 1105 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,640 Speaker 3: these no gun policies that most universities have in Indiana, 1106 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,800 Speaker 3: students have to choose between their personal safety on campus 1107 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,440 Speaker 3: and whether they want to risk getting thrown off campus 1108 01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,400 Speaker 3: and expelled. And employees have to decide whether they're going 1109 01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:15,360 Speaker 3: to risk getting fired. And that includes having a gun 1110 01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,959 Speaker 3: now in your car on campus. Just like the person 1111 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,680 Speaker 3: who called my office, you know, weeks away from graduation, 1112 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,880 Speaker 3: already accepted into graduate school and got expelled because he 1113 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,560 Speaker 3: was a good a good citizen and reported his gun 1114 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:33,200 Speaker 3: stilling heartbreaking, heartbreaking stuff. But that's campus carry. And listen, 1115 01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,920 Speaker 3: I've already talked to Indian State Rifle and Pistol Association, 1116 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,040 Speaker 3: my buddy Kelly Myers, who was just on the phone. 1117 01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:45,240 Speaker 3: He's already on the chat on the YouTube feature. When 1118 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,800 Speaker 3: we were talking about wish list going forward, campus carry 1119 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,360 Speaker 3: was I think the first thing he mentioned, and so 1120 01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,480 Speaker 3: that is definitely on the list. So Joe, thanks for 1121 01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,720 Speaker 3: your patience and thanks for calling in. We're glad that's 1122 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,320 Speaker 3: on your list as well. It's something we ought to 1123 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,800 Speaker 3: get past here in Indiana. Let's take a break. We'll 1124 01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,280 Speaker 3: come back for the last segment here of The Gun 1125 01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,880 Speaker 3: Guy Show on ninety three WIBC. 1126 01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:11,720 Speaker 1: The show about gun rights, gun safety, and responsible gun ownership. 1127 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:18,880 Speaker 1: This is the Gun Guy Guy RAYBC. 1128 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,240 Speaker 3: And welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy 1129 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,800 Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. This is our last segment 1130 01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,840 Speaker 3: here and a little bit of a short segment, but 1131 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,120 Speaker 3: we're going to continue this discussion. We just wrapped up 1132 01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,600 Speaker 3: a legislative session. We've got a while here, a number 1133 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,360 Speaker 3: of months before we kick off again in twenty twenty seven. 1134 01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,000 Speaker 3: But it's time to get our priorities set and it's 1135 01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:45,040 Speaker 3: time to make sure we're gathering a consensus, getting input, 1136 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,560 Speaker 3: including from you the listener here at The Gun Guy Show, 1137 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,360 Speaker 3: of what we need to accomplish in Indiana General Assembly. 1138 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,720 Speaker 3: I've talked about a couple of things, and there are 1139 01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,080 Speaker 3: definitely some other things we need to tweak. As my 1140 01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,120 Speaker 3: buddy Kelly who called in earlier, he just put on 1141 01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:02,240 Speaker 3: the chat feature that there's a little disconnect between constitutional 1142 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,320 Speaker 3: carry and the DNR REGs. The DNR REGs say that 1143 01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,000 Speaker 3: you still have to have a license to carry to 1144 01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,840 Speaker 3: carry your handgun in a state park, which, by the way, 1145 01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,000 Speaker 3: is an improvement a few years ago. A number of 1146 01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:16,840 Speaker 3: years ago, you used to say it was completely illegal 1147 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,320 Speaker 3: to have your handgun in a state park. They changed 1148 01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:20,960 Speaker 3: that to say, well, no, you can have a handgun 1149 01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,760 Speaker 3: in a state park as long as you have your license. 1150 01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,280 Speaker 3: But we went to them when it looked like we 1151 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,919 Speaker 3: were going to get constitutional carry passed in twenty twenty 1152 01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,960 Speaker 3: two and said, hey, why don't you amend that DNR 1153 01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,520 Speaker 3: reg to be consistent with constitutional carry and say if 1154 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,640 Speaker 3: you're not prohibitive from possessing a firearm, you can carry 1155 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,959 Speaker 3: your handgun in a state park. And DNR essentially said, nah, 1156 01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:42,920 Speaker 3: we like our regulation. We think you ought to have 1157 01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,320 Speaker 3: a license. So it would be a nice tweak to 1158 01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:52,880 Speaker 3: align them with the rest of Indiana law on constitutional carry. 1159 01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:57,160 Speaker 3: But I'll tell you where a priority is potentially for me, 1160 01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,000 Speaker 3: and I want to look more into this. But Tennessee 1161 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:03,080 Speaker 3: just passed the law and send it to their governor's desk, 1162 01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,160 Speaker 3: and it's something I really want to look hard at. 1163 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,280 Speaker 3: And it involves a bit of a balance because listen, 1164 01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,880 Speaker 3: one thing I've always said is that as much of 1165 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,320 Speaker 3: an advocate for second amendment rights as I am and 1166 01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,080 Speaker 3: have been for a damn long time. You know, I'm 1167 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:22,240 Speaker 3: also against big government, uh and and and and and 1168 01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:26,760 Speaker 3: and government trying to tell businesses how to run their business, 1169 01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:31,960 Speaker 3: and and and property rights are a priority for me 1170 01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,960 Speaker 3: as well. I'm not active in that area. I'm not 1171 01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,320 Speaker 3: certainly not an advocate. I don't have a radio show 1172 01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,560 Speaker 3: called the Property Guy, you know, so that's that's not 1173 01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,800 Speaker 3: as high a priority. But it's something that I deeply respect. 1174 01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,520 Speaker 3: And and this this is a bit of a balance, 1175 01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,200 Speaker 3: but you know, there is an issue. And I've had 1176 01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,360 Speaker 3: a number of people call me about this over the years, 1177 01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,840 Speaker 3: which is why it's been on my radar and why 1178 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,240 Speaker 3: I really took notice of this Tennessee law that was 1179 01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:00,120 Speaker 3: just passed. But you know, an awful lot and I 1180 01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:04,600 Speaker 3: I signed one of these back when I was in 1181 01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:08,440 Speaker 3: law school and moved into an apartment and I had 1182 01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,720 Speaker 3: to sign a lease. I didn't have to sign the lease. 1183 01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,320 Speaker 3: I could have gone somewhere else, but the lease I 1184 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,679 Speaker 3: signed moving into apartment while I was in law school 1185 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,360 Speaker 3: said that I agreed that I would not have a 1186 01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:22,240 Speaker 3: firearm in my apartment or in my vehicle on the 1187 01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:28,880 Speaker 3: apartment complex property, and to be quite frank, I signed 1188 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,880 Speaker 3: it and then I violated it multiple times. Every day. 1189 01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,000 Speaker 3: I always had a gun on my vehicle. I always 1190 01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:38,720 Speaker 3: had one in my apartment when I took it out 1191 01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,479 Speaker 3: of my vehicle and took it with me when I 1192 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:46,160 Speaker 3: went home. And it's something I had to worry about though. 1193 01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,840 Speaker 3: If I ever had a maintenance call or some kind 1194 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,559 Speaker 3: of an inspection or whatnot, they were going to be 1195 01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,240 Speaker 3: apartment people service people in my apartment. I had to 1196 01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,080 Speaker 3: make sure there were no guns visible and they wouldn't 1197 01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,200 Speaker 3: determine that I was violating the lease. They'd kicked my 1198 01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:03,800 Speaker 3: ass out. But Tennessee just passed the law that makes 1199 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:09,240 Speaker 3: it illegal that prohibits landlords for putting a provision in 1200 01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:15,280 Speaker 3: their lease that requires a tenant to give up their 1201 01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,760 Speaker 3: Second Amendment rights. And so is there a balance here 1202 01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,519 Speaker 3: between property rights and Second Amendment rights? Absolutely? And again 1203 01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,400 Speaker 3: you have no Second Amendment rights as to your landlord, 1204 01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,040 Speaker 3: a private business right. It's not the government, same thing 1205 01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,839 Speaker 3: we talked about earlier, but for a landlord, and particularly 1206 01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,200 Speaker 3: when a lot of them do this, and your options 1207 01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,640 Speaker 3: become very slender and fuwive far between of where you 1208 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,599 Speaker 3: can go live because multiple landlords are doing this. Should 1209 01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,120 Speaker 3: you have to relinquish your Second Amendment rights just because 1210 01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,160 Speaker 3: you found a place you want to live and you 1211 01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,240 Speaker 3: want to sign a lease. My answer to that is 1212 01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:52,240 Speaker 3: absolutely not. And listen if our criminals, I'm sure the 1213 01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,280 Speaker 3: idea is, well, we want to keep our apartment safer 1214 01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,559 Speaker 3: by not allowing guns. If somebody's going to show up 1215 01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,920 Speaker 3: and shoot the apartment complex up or commit a murder 1216 01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,439 Speaker 3: in an apartment a at that complex, are they going 1217 01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:06,040 Speaker 3: to care it's against policy? Of course not. So you're 1218 01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,439 Speaker 3: you're you're stripping people of their rights and their ability 1219 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,960 Speaker 3: to defend themselves. That's going to be a priority for 1220 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,200 Speaker 3: me going forward. That's the end of this week's Gun 1221 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,240 Speaker 3: Guy Show. Hope you'd enjoyed it. Hope you come back 1222 01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,360 Speaker 3: next week. So's Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show 1223 01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:19,840 Speaker 3: on ninety three WYBC