1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Okay, look, we're just gonna start with this that this 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: will not be a normal show today. It never is 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: on nine to eleven to begin with, and then obviously 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: with the horrific events yesterday and the assassination of Charlie Kirk. 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: So I'm rob that's Casey's the Kendall and Casey Show. 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: And look, we're gonna just feel our way through it 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: today because the story that kind of not kind of 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: completely captivated the nation yesterday was the assassination of conservative 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: pundit commentator Charlie Kirk. And you know what's interesting to me, 10 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: Casey is and I had a long conversation with my 11 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: my wife about this because she's been a consumer of 12 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: his content much more so than I have for a 13 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: long time. I said, and it's a conversation that you 14 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: and I have on this pro quite a bit, which 15 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: is that we can't make anybody do anything. Like the 16 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: hatred of any media person just blows my mind because 17 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: you don't have to consume it, like you're under no 18 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: obligation at any point. No person is to engage in 19 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: any person in the media if you don't like their 20 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: online content, block them, you know, other than if somebody's 21 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: sharing something in your feed, you never see them. 22 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: If you don't like the program. 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: Whether it's a podcast like a Charlie Kirk or radio 24 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: program like ours, turn it off. The people, us, the media, 25 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: we have no control over your life. Charlie Kirk had 26 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: no control over your life. He's not an elected person. 27 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: He's not the president, he's not a governor, he's not 28 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: a senator. He doesn't He didn't have to exist in 29 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: anyone's orbit that didn't want want to hear or see him, 30 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: the same way we don't have to exist in anyone's 31 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: orbit that doesn't want to consume or see us. And 32 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: yet some person or people, obviously the culprit or culprits 33 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: are still as of the beginning of this broadcast still 34 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: at large. 35 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 2: Had something so. 36 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: That's so much hate in their soul, that's the first 37 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: part of it. But had something so terribly wrong with 38 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: them that they felt the only recourse was to assassinate 39 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: some guy who was just out having a conversation with people. 40 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, someone couldn't handle him on an intellectual level, so 41 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: they resorted to violence. That person, who was still at large, 42 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: by the way, had a choice to not engage with 43 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: his platforms. They couldn't handle it. And my question is 44 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: what what did it solve? 45 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 46 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: So, and by the way, if you want to watch us, 47 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: stay on the YouTube. I'm sure I have a lot 48 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: of people. There's a little bit of a problem in 49 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: the description it says Tony Katz in the Morning News 50 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: is obviously it's Kenall and Casey Show. You can look 51 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: for the WIBC feed. So if you're looking for us 52 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: today for some reason, it's still labeled as Tony Katz. 53 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: But we are live, we are on the YouTube. 54 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: If you just put WIBC into your YouTube search bar, 55 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: you'll find us watches. Clearly, hundreds of people are already 56 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: doing that, so people are finding it. 57 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: But we just wanted to put that out there. 58 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: And so throughout the course of the day today we 59 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: will talk a lot about the life and the legacy 60 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk. We'll talk a lot about what this 61 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: means for our country because free speech is under assault. 62 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: That's what this that's what this was maybe where we 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: can or should go from here. And then you know, 64 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: in the backdrop of all of this, it's the twenty 65 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: fourth anniversary of nine to eleven, which obviously was horrific 66 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: in the sense that three thousand people lost their lives, 67 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: but also while it's the mourning of those people and 68 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: the morning of our country never been the same since 69 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: nine to eleven, the actions of our own government post 70 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: nine to eleven, et cetera. The country never re established itself, 71 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: but it was at the same time. And I've always 72 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: tried to do this on our shows at are anniversaries 73 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: of nine to eleven, highlight the HERAROI it was the 74 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: best of America too. It highlighted the best of who 75 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: we were, the people, the firefighters, the police officers, the 76 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: people at the Pentagon, all the first responders, all the 77 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: people who were working in those buildings, the people. 78 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 4: Who ran to danger instead of running from it. 79 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: Right, who were willing to give their lives or did 80 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: give their lives, the people on the plane in Pennsylvania 81 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: that took the plane down so it wouldn't. 82 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 2: Hit the White House. 83 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: And so you know, I've always tried to put that 84 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: as the showcase of the best of what America had 85 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:57,239 Speaker 1: to offer. 86 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: So we're just like, we don't have a plan really 87 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: for today's show. 88 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: I mean we do Nick Nikki Kelly will join us 89 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: at ten fifteen, as she always does a lot of 90 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: stuff going on the state. We'll get to that stuff too. 91 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: But Casey was like, what do you want to do today? 92 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: And I said, we'll just feel it out as we go. Well, 93 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: because I don't think you can plan through a day 94 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: like this. What I do know is another thing I 95 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: do know is we I had forgotten this, and my 96 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: wife reminded me I had interviewed Charlie Kirk about three 97 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: years ago. He was at an event in Indiana and 98 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: I interviewed him. And so next hour, ten. 99 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 4: O'clock, we will play the interview. 100 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: The interview, and you just say, like when we'll get 101 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: to his legacy and his life and all those sorts 102 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: of things, because it will leave a colossal void in 103 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: the influence of young people in this country. 104 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is going to ripple outwards. It's 105 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 3: going to shape media narratives, political discourse, cultural memory. His 106 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: death is going to it's going to shape politics, digital discourse, 107 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,119 Speaker 3: security in the modern age. 108 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: Sure, and and without knowing, in a weird way, it 109 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: almost doesn't even matter. I was just I was gonna say, 110 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, without knowing who the person is or what 111 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: they did. 112 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 2: But it doesn't even matter. 113 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: It doesn't even matter who the person is or why 114 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: they did it, because there's no there's no acceptable reason 115 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: to do it. There's nothing that's not abhorrent beyond belief 116 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: in terms of the action that was taken yesterday. But 117 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: I think the if there is because we always try 118 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: to have sort of threads throughout the course of the show, 119 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,799 Speaker 1: I think the thread today will be the free speech 120 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: in this country is under assault. And I was on 121 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: with Hammer and Nigel yesterday afternoon, and you know, they 122 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: asked me because I was at the I was at 123 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: the park with. 124 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: To be playing. When I did the interview with them, I'm. 125 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: Watching her and like you know, I'm talking to them 126 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: and they asked me the question. They said, look, and 127 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm not getting it exactly right, but they said, you know, 128 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: you're very out there, right, just like this guy was 129 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: very out there. 130 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: Are you ever concerned for your safety? 131 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: And I said, well, it's interesting because Charlie kirk Is 132 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: was far more congenial about his engagement. 133 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 4: He was very respectful in his debates, right, And. 134 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: This is maybe because I served it was like a 135 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: prison sentence, right, like I served time in the system. 136 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: I am the political version of a brawler, right Like, 137 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,559 Speaker 1: to me, it's like, you want to fight, not literally fight, 138 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: but you want to have an ideological fight. Let's have 139 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: a fight, right Like, I'm going to call you out. 140 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to say exactly what I think of you, 141 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: because that's what I would want you to do to me. 142 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: That's what people did to me when I was an 143 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: elected person. No tears here. But if you compare like 144 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: a style of like I have to a Charlie Kirk, 145 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: he just sat there, He let people have their say 146 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: and then calmly responded to them. This is about hating 147 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: the existence of a human being that the guy. It 148 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: was a hatred that the guy was allowed to live. 149 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: And so the their question like do you get concern 150 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: to some extent? There's always some level of concern, but 151 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: you can't live your life that way. And I like, 152 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: I had these conversations with my old man when I 153 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: was young, because he was a federal law enforcement officer 154 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: and dealt with the worst of the worst. And he's 155 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: told me that all the time. He's like, people sense fear. 156 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: I remember my dad telling me this one as a kid. 157 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: I was he are you ever afraid of dealing with 158 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: these people. He said no, he said, people sense fear, 159 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: and you can't live your life in fear, and fear 160 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: is what these people want. And if you think about 161 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: and we'll come into this a little bit later when 162 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: we talk about nine to eleven, nine to eleven in 163 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: the attack, Yes, it was about the death and calamity 164 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: of what they were able to accomplish that day, the 165 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: terror they being the terrorists, but it was also about 166 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: altering and changing the American course of life. That's right, 167 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 1: Steven Indie reporter in the YouTube chat and I were 168 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: just just talking about this thing the other night when 169 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: we got together, about about do you live your life 170 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: and fear, And the answer is you can't do it 171 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: because then those people win. 172 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 2: You have to take your precautions. You know. 173 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: People know I very rarely ever leave my house. There 174 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: are reasons for that. But I'm not going to stop 175 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: coming in here every day. I'm not going to stop 176 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: talking about the things that are important to me. I'm 177 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: not going to stop calling out the politicians, just like 178 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk was not going to stop calling out the politicians. 179 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: Can't you can't. You can't live in fear. You cannot 180 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: live in fear. 181 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk did it to prove that free speech is 182 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: real and it's worth defending, and he died in action 183 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: of that, right. 184 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he would want people to keep talking. 185 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's right. 186 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: He would absolutely want people to keep talking and praying. 187 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. All right, So let's take a break. 188 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll get into a little bit 189 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: of it's the anniversar of nine to eleven. We'll obviously 190 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: spend much of our show talking about Charlie Kirk. There's 191 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff going on locally though. The 192 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: lawmakers met yesterday and the redistricting stuff. So, I mean, 193 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: we just got a million things to try. 194 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: To get to. We'll do our best. No plan for today. Well, 195 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: we'll all get through this together. We're glad you're here 196 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: with us. 197 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 4: It's Kendall and Casey on ninety three WYBC. 198 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: A Casey show Abrup Casey's here. Just a programming note 199 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: because it is nine to eleven. All of our bumper 200 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: music today is an album that was written all about 201 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: nine to eleven. It's The Rising by Bruce Springsteen, a showcase. 202 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: It's an incredible album. I got a lot of people 203 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: they don't like his politics or whatever. This album was 204 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: incredible because all the songs. Obviously he's from New Jersey, 205 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: New York. He was just you know, close to many 206 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: people who were impacted by nine to eleven. And if 207 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: you never heard this album, it is all about like 208 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: legitimate people who were in and around various things that 209 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: happened on nine to eleven, and much of the album 210 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: as specific people, places, things and I like. So it's 211 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 1: just a perfect album to play as a tribute to 212 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: those people. Will play it all day. The heroes, the firemen, 213 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: the police officers, just individual people who who stepped up. 214 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: And we'll get to the nine to eleven stuff here 215 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: in a second. We'll do a lot more, Charlie Kirk. 216 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: At the course of the day, there was stuff going 217 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: on in the state of Indiana though yesterday. Yeah, that's true, 218 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: and we would be absolutely remiss if we didn't talk 219 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: about some of this stuff because it can potentially have 220 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: a big impact on your life. 221 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 3: So some Indiana State Republicans they met yesterday and they 222 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 3: were discussing the mid day mid decade redistricting. 223 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 4: No details were shared. 224 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: Though, So the senators, this is great, you love this 225 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: So Indiana has what's called an open door law. Like 226 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: if you're a local government let's say you're a town 227 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,599 Speaker 1: counsel and there's five of you. The lawmakers, these senators, 228 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: state House reps, they write a law that says, if 229 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: three of you are in a room together talking about 230 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: public policy, you can't do that behind closed doors. You 231 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: got to do it in a public meeting. And if 232 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: you don't, it's called a violation of the open door law. 233 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: But they, the senators, have written the law so that 234 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: they anytime they want, can go behind closed doors and 235 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: talk about whatever they want and you don't get to 236 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: see it, and you don't have any idea. 237 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: So when they stroll their. 238 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: Asses out to vote on something, about ninety five percent 239 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 1: of the time, it's a FATA complete and they know 240 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: exactly what's going to go down. The debate, glorified floor show, 241 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: the debate those guys are playing, playing on their candy 242 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: crush on their cell phones because they already know what's 243 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: going down. 244 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 2: It's the hypocrisy of the meetings. Yeah, the hypocrisy of 245 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: these people. 246 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: Where you can get as a local government person in 247 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: huge trouble if you violate the open door law. 248 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: But these guys, they do whatever they want, and that's 249 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: what they did yesterday. They're cowards. 250 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: They're gutless cowards who don't want to have the debate 251 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: in public because they know the public at large and 252 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: now multiple poles of back the sub there have been 253 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: multiple poles that have come out about the public is 254 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: against this, this rigging, a further further rigging. They're already 255 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: rigged further rigging of the electoral electoral maps, primarily probably 256 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: because they recognize they're rigging the maps to people like 257 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: disgraced former Public Safety Secretary Jennifer Ruth Green into office 258 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: up in the. 259 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: First congressional district. People look at. 260 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: Her and no, that's the golden child, and that's who 261 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: they're propping up by rigging these maps. 262 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: Eh, no, thank you. 263 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: That doesn't do anything for me. So they don't want 264 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: to have the debate in public. So what they do 265 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: is they go behind closed doors and then they walk 266 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: out and won't tell you what they talked about. 267 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got the Senate President pro Tem Rod Bray, 268 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: he declined to comment after the meeting. 269 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 4: You have had some. 270 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,479 Speaker 3: Senators and representatives come out and voice their opposition to redistricting. 271 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 3: Of course, you have many others saying there for it, 272 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: and you have one Rep who has gone from hard 273 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 3: no to hell Yes. 274 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 275 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: Jim Lucas is the winner of our dumb Ass of 276 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: the Day award, and he is a regular recipient. He's 277 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: got a trophy case full of the Dumbass of the 278 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: Day awards. And this guy is ridiculous because he was 279 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: adamantly against this. Lucas is a represented from Seymour. He 280 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: is best known as the state Rep. Jim Lucas who 281 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: drove drunk blew through the barricade, fled the scene, tried 282 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: to hide his car, then got cute with the cops 283 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: when they tried to question him on what he was doing. 284 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: And he came out and was adamantly against this. Why 285 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: because as much it pains to me, he was right. 286 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: The maps are already fair, the maps are already drawn correctly, 287 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: the maps already reflect a Republican majority in our state, 288 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: amongst other reasons. And he wasn't just against it. Casey 289 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: backed me up on this repeatedly, including getting into it 290 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: with Charlie Kirk. As I recall or responding to a 291 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk post. Unless my memory is failing me about 292 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: how this was the wrong thing to do. And now 293 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: in some whether it's emotional or political, or a mixture 294 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: of both, or what, you go from adamantly again something 295 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: laying out specifically why it's harming the state to ah 296 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: for it. Now. Look, it's horrible that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. 297 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: It's beyond words. It dramatically affects people like us because 298 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: this is our business. We're in the same business. But 299 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: you cannot legislate for seven million people off some knee jerk, 300 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: emotional or politically expedient reaction. You look like a complete buffoon, 301 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: a complete moron when you're so adamantly against something and 302 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: then just because something happens. Look, I'm sorry, society has 303 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: to continue to move forward. There'll be a day when 304 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: you're not here, Casey, and I'm not hearing Kevin's not here. 305 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: I don't expect society to stop. I don't expect people 306 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: just to legislate for seven million people. Hopefully we live 307 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: very long, happy, prosperous lives. But you cannot be well, okay, 308 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: because Charlie Kirk was assassinating I've got to go against 309 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: everything I just said that doesn't make any sense. He 310 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: doesn't know who assassinated Charlie Kirk. He has no idea 311 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: why he was assassinated, like. 312 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: No idea none. 313 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: But this is how our lawmakers legislate in just a 314 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: knee jerk, whatever the feeling of the moment. 315 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: Is, and thus why we get the policies we do. 316 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: And that is not a good thing. 317 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 3: Some people are arguing, though, that you can't rationalize with 318 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 3: the hate that we saw yesterday that was inflicted upon 319 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk, and redistricting is a way to stop it. 320 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: How is getting two more Jennifer Ruth Greens or Jefferson 321 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: Shreeves one going to make anybody's life better? 322 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 2: Because that's who you're going to get. 323 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: Look at the makeup of our our seven of nine 324 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: Republican US representatives average amount. The best one might might 325 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: be Stutsman, although he goes further down the crapper by 326 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: the day and tell me how getting an additional of 327 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: any of those people is going to make your life 328 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: any better? How does that avenge Charlie Kirk. How does 329 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: putting another Jennifer Ruth Green or Jefferson Shreve or Aaron 330 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: Houchin in the Congress, screwing the elections in our state 331 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: because they've admitted this is all political. 332 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: How does that avenge Charlie Kirk? 333 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: I think people are thinking they would rather have a 334 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: Jefferson Shreeve or another representative like that than someone who's liberal. 335 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: What is Frank Mervan. Let's just pick the first congressional district. 336 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: What has Frank Mervan done that has anything to do 337 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: with this? 338 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: You can not like the. 339 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: Guy's politics, Great, fine, they're with you. What did he 340 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: do to contribute to any of this? 341 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: Nothing? 342 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: So you're telling me a gun grabber like Jefferson Shreeve, 343 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: a guy who just changes his mind as often as 344 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: he changes his underwear, whatever positions expedient in the moment, 345 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: to win whatever office he desires, because he somehow went 346 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: from gun grabbers r us to mister two A based 347 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: on what office he was running for, or some allegedly 348 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: completely corrupt, scandal ridden person like Jenner for Ruth Green 349 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: who allegedly appears to have used her two hundred seventy 350 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars taxpayer funded job to elevate herself and 351 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: her own excesses and grangiose desires. How does replacing Frank 352 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: Mervan with them make your life any better? Or how 353 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: does it get even? Or whatever word we want to 354 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: use for the death of Charlie Kirk. Someone's gonna have 355 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: to explain that to me. But what I do know 356 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: is we have lawmakers like Jim Lucas who just say 357 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: wild things, whatever is going on in the moment, totally 358 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: ignoring the well thought out. It's rare he has anything 359 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: well thought out, but he did on this and he's 360 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: just gonna ignore all that because of what happened yesterday 361 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: that we cannot. 362 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: Function like that as a society. 363 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 3: No special session has been scheduled yet to address any redistricting. 364 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 4: It is Kendyl and Casey. It's ninety three wibc Us City. 365 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 2: City, it is the twenty fourth anniversary of nine to eleven. 366 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: It's Kenny Casey Show and Rob that's Casey. We will 367 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: have a lot more Charlie Kirk thoughts, commentary, etc. Coming 368 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: up throughout the course of the program today, including in 369 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: the interview. I'd totally forgotten this, and I felt horrible 370 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: afterwards that my wife reminded me I had interviewed Charlie 371 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: Kirk three and a half years ago now and so 372 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: we will actually play that interview for you. He was 373 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: here in Indianapolis for Central Indiana for an event, but 374 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: obviously today normally on this day, we spend a great 375 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: deal of time talking about arguably the most significant event 376 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: in American history, the tragedy of the mass calamity, destruction, 377 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: lives loss that was. 378 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 2: That was nine to eleven. 379 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 4: Casey, Yeah. 380 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: Governor Brown has ordered all flags in Indiana to be 381 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 3: flown at half staff today from sunrise to sunset, remembrance 382 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 3: of the nine to eleven victims, nearly three thousand people 383 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 3: who lost their lives, and the flag lowering is also 384 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 3: to honor first responders and people who risked or gave 385 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 3: their lives in rescue efforts. He has encouraged all homes 386 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 3: and businesses in Indiana to lower their flags in solidarity. 387 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 3: He called the attacks and unspeakable tragedy. 388 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: Okay, so there's always so many. Somebody told me this 389 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: years ago. I was very young and a knew in 390 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: the radio business. And this was a couple of years 391 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: after nine to eleven. In fact, it was when the 392 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: Space Shuttle exploded and was the aftermath of that. And 393 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: this person was a longtime radio veteran, and they said, 394 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, you will earn your money on days where 395 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: things happen that you'd never see coming. And obviously, to 396 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: this extent, it's you know, he said, how you deal 397 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: with these things as a professional will be how people 398 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: kind of judge you. All in all is a broadcaster, 399 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: and obviously we're dealing that with Charlie Kirk. But he 400 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: also said to me, he said, because we were talking 401 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: about different tragedies in American history, was after the Space 402 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: Shuttle explosion. He said, when things like the Space Shuttle 403 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: explosion or on a much greater scale nine to eleven, 404 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,719 Speaker 1: because the amount of people impacted happen, no individual can 405 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: understand the calamity of that unless they are directly impacted 406 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: by it. You can't even begin to under And this 407 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: always stood with me. He said, you can't even begin 408 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: to understand no matter how many tributes you pay, or 409 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: how much you read about it, or how much you 410 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: interview people who are impacted by it, you can't even 411 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: begin to understand the magnitude of it unless you were 412 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: directly impacted by it. And I still think about that 413 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: all these years later, that that is absolutely right. In 414 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: times of national tragedy certainly to something the level of 415 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: nine to eleven. Twenty plus years later, almost twenty five 416 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: years old, I still don't think we've even scratched the 417 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: surface on what a horrific event that was. 418 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 3: There were so many people that were directly impacted, but 419 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 3: I would say the entire country was directly impacted that 420 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 3: day in some way. Your life changed, Yeah, your life 421 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 3: changed absolutely in that moment, and America never recovered by 422 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 3: and large. 423 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: You look at the terrorists really won that day in 424 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: the sense of not just the calamity they inflicted, but 425 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: the way our entire society changed and our system of governance, 426 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: how it changed, and the things we began to accept 427 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: in terms of changing our American way of life and 428 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: the surveillance state, and the money that has spent. 429 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: And you, I mean, you look at the national debt. 430 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: I bet if I do this give me just a 431 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: second here, I bet we will be blown away with 432 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: the national debt was in two thousand and one compared 433 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: to what it is today. And you know, all of 434 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 1: these things were the desires of the terrorists so much 435 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: more more than just beyond how much damage can we inflict. 436 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 2: On that day and by that standard. It was a 437 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: very it was a very. 438 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: Successful day for them. But and we'll talk about this 439 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: throughout the course of our program today, we seem to 440 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: forget sometimes, or it's easy to forget, I should say, 441 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: all the people that showed the best of what America was. 442 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 2: On that day. 443 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: By the way, the national you want to take a 444 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: guess in two thousand and one, what the national debt was, casey. 445 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, ten trillion. 446 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: Five trillion, eight hundred and seven billion. Think about that. 447 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: In twenty five years, we have gone up over roughly 448 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: six times our national debt in the first two hundred 449 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: and what was that twenty five years? Our national debt 450 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: in twenty five years has increased six times what it 451 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: did in the first two and twenty five years of 452 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: the country. And it all started the irresponse, the spend, 453 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: the out of control spending, the deficits that it will 454 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: be gotten worse. All this stuff started around nine to eleven, 455 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: So that little to our side. One of the things 456 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: that should never be forgotten, though, is while the government 457 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: has made serious mistakes, our country has made serious mistakes. 458 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: The country is dramatically impacted. Nine to eleven still showed 459 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: the best of who we are as humans, because it 460 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: showcased all of the people who were willing to give 461 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: of themselves, including up to and including their own lives, 462 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: so that others might live well. 463 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 3: It definitely showed unity and faith that helped the nation 464 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 3: persevere through that time and since then, I think about 465 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 3: that often. There's an entire generation of people, the kids 466 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 3: that were born near September eleventh, two thousand and one, 467 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 3: they're turning twenty five right now, and on the eve 468 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 3: of an event that they don't even remember, it's still 469 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 3: commemorated every year. 470 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 4: And then on the eve of that event. 471 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 3: A national tragic event happened yesterday, and it just it 472 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 3: makes my heart just hurt. 473 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 4: For for gen Z when I think about that. 474 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I. 475 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: Mean it's it's so again, we'll throughout the course of 476 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: the show today and again if you're just joining us 477 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: to kill on Casey Show and Rob, that's Casey. 478 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 2: We're just feeling our way through it. Today. 479 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: We kind of threw the template and everything out the 480 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: window just because with the horrible assassination of Charlie Kirk, 481 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: we knew we're going to try to spend a lot 482 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: of time on that. And then obviously the anniversary of 483 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: nine to eleven, which would and plan to commemorate. You know, 484 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: we'll get we're getting all. We're getting through it together. 485 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: We thank you for joining us and being a part 486 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: of us. What do you want to get into next 487 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: any idea, we'll. 488 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 2: Figure it out during the break, That's what we'll do. 489 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 4: Nex Steps It's Kennel and Casey. It's ninety three WYBC. 490 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 2: Overview. All right, it's Kennel and Casey. Show him Rob. 491 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: Casey's here a lot of commentary at Charlie Kirk today, 492 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: nine to eleven anniversary, but a bunch of stuff going 493 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: on with the state that'll affect you, and we're doing 494 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: our best to hit all of it. Coming up next hour, 495 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna play you that interview. And I really admit 496 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: i'd totally forgotten about this that I had actually interviewed 497 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk several years ago and went back in the archives. 498 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: The internet's an amazing thing, Casey. Because my wife was 499 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: on with Hammer and Night, I'll talk about last night. 500 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: She goes, you know, you remember that you interviewed Charlie 501 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: Kirk And I was like no, and she goes, oh yeah. 502 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: It was such an I said, oh, that's right. 503 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you were able to go back and look 504 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 4: at the pictures, find the. 505 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: Date, and there's no way to meet in any way 506 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: to be disrespectful of him or anything. It's just, you know, 507 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: we interview so many people, you know, you interview a 508 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: president or whatever that you know, when I interview Trump, 509 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: obviously you know you remember something like that, but it's 510 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: just you know, out of sight, out of mine. 511 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 2: And she and I said, well, man' I don't even 512 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: remember what season that was, what day. 513 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: She goes hang on and she gets in her phone 514 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: and starts scrolling through her photos, and like a minute later, 515 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: she's like, okay, it was it was like it was 516 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: like May the twenty fifth or twenty sixth, and so 517 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'll go back and just start 518 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: scouring our archives from that day and within a couple 519 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: of minutes, I mean, the Internet's in them. You were 520 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: able to amazing thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we'll play 521 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: that for you top of top of next hours. Kind 522 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: of need to go back and be able to listen 523 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: to that that conversation, and I think you guys would 524 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: enjoy it. Gives you some real insight into Charlie Kirk 525 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: and how he sort of became Charlie Kirk. And so 526 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: we'll play that for you top of next hour. But 527 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: in the meantime, there's a big battle that rages on 528 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: involving the utility companies. 529 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, the rate increases. 530 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they are. 531 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: They are out for blood as it comes to a 532 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: never ending quest to suck as much of your money 533 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: each month as they possibly can. And now the Indiana 534 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: Office of Utility Consumer counselor the new one, there's a 535 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: brand new and Abby Gray is her name, has issued 536 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: a scathing rebuke in AS's attempt to raise consumer rates, 537 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: not only fighting the rate increase, but now, and I've 538 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: never seen this before. Now I've watched this stuff for 539 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: a long time. She is actually asking the Indiana Utility 540 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: Regulatory Commission, who oversees rate increases, not only to reject 541 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: the rate increase, but to repeal some of the previous 542 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: increases so. 543 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 4: To cut the monthly customer charge. 544 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 545 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 4: So that's actually good news. Whether it will happen or 546 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 4: not to determined. 547 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's explain to her by how your utility 548 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: bill works. Just very quickly here, So you know, I know, 549 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: long time many longtime listeners do. But the utility is 550 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: a monopoly. Your electric company is a monopoly. Can't shop it, 551 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: you have to use them. And they set whatever rate 552 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: they want with approval of this government entity, the Indiana 553 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: Utility Regulatory Commission. They're an appointed body by the governor, 554 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: and there is an advocate for us, the consumer, and 555 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: that's the Indian Office of Utility Consumer Counselor. Abby Gray 556 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: is her name. She's brand new, But that person doesn't 557 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: have any actual power. They make a case. It's like 558 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: an attorney making a case. The i u r C 559 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: is the judge, jury, and executioner. And in the past 560 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: they have been very they have it seems like, regularly 561 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: ignored the consumer counselor's request to not raise rates in 562 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: the order in which it's been received. And now the 563 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: governor has came out and despite sign which is very weird, 564 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: he signed legislation that will definitely raise people's utility rates 565 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: over time. But yet now he claims to be very 566 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: concerned about the raising of rates, and he's instructed this 567 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: new counselor, this consumer counselor, to put the pedal to 568 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: the metal. He said he's going to change the IRC 569 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: board with the focus on not raising rates. And this 570 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: appears maybe to be the opening salvo, for lack of 571 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: a better term, in that because it appears to be 572 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: a new tenor and tone in dealing with these these 573 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: utility companies. 574 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 3: A ES Indiana, they're seeking a one hundred and ninety 575 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 3: three million dollar base rate increase, and this in less 576 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 3: than fourteen months after a previous rate increase was approved. 577 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 3: But now this counselor, Abby Gray, she's denying the request 578 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 3: and instead proposing a twenty million dollar rate reduction, and 579 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 3: one of the key proposals is to cut monthly customer 580 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 3: charge from seventeen dollars to eleven dollars and twenty five cents. 581 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 3: The interesting thing oft this it was revealed that they 582 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 3: have one hundred and five phantom hires. These are just 583 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 3: unfilled vacant roles. The AEES is saying, well, you know, 584 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 3: we've got these openings here. We want to hire these people. 585 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 3: That's why we need the rate increase. And i'll be 586 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 3: Gray is saying in her review, wait a minute, you've 587 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 3: had these open for years and you're never filling them. 588 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 3: It almost sounds like it's just an excuse for rate increase. 589 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: You know, they got sixty eight hundred written comments because 590 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: as is going for this rate increase, sixty eight hundred comments. 591 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: And we talk about this quite a bit on this program, 592 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: that the government never seems to be on our side. 593 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: The government always. 594 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: Seems to be on the side of whatever special interest 595 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: is coming before them, and it usually means that the 596 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: people get screwed in that process. And you're really reaching, 597 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: for some people a point of no return on these 598 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: utility bills, especially when you couple them with the never 599 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: ending property tax increases, the gas tax increases. You are 600 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: pricing a lot of senior citizens, a lot of fixed 601 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: income people out of the affordability of living. 602 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 2: And hopefully it's. 603 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: Reached a tipping point where they've set enough is enough, 604 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: and the IURC will step in and do what's right. 605 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break. When we come back, 606 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: we'll talk a lot more about Charlie Kirk. We'll play 607 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: this interview I did with him several years ago. 608 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 2: We'll get into that and more. 609 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 4: It's Kennily Casey on ninety three WIBC. Through this Lin