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Speaker 1: It has been a very weird week. It has been

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Speaker 1: the week of the twenty fourth anniversary of September eleventh,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter whether you're a political person or not.

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Speaker 1: It is these are the stories, and it has affected

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Speaker 1: And then for whatever reason, we decided this was the

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Speaker 1: week to try some Cubans that our digital director Sarah

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Speaker 1: gave us. So smoke them if you got them, no

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Speaker 1: matter what it is, it's eat, drink, smoke. I'm Tony

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Speaker 1: Katz and that right there is America's favorite amateur drinker,

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Speaker 1: Fingers molloy. We'll get to these stories and our thoughts

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Speaker 1: on them. These cigars come from Cuban. They were given

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Speaker 1: to us by Sarah, who does all our digital work,

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Speaker 1: and from a place called Benito's Tobacco Farm. So this

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Speaker 1: is a twenty five acre farm in Cuba. It's one

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Speaker 1: of the largest tobacco farms in Cuban. Of course, Cuba

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Speaker 1: still communist regime. The farmer in Cuba is required to

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Speaker 1: give ninety percent of their crop to the government. Seems

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Speaker 1: fair that ninety percent is based on what the lowest

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Speaker 1: cost of the leaf would be. So even though they

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Speaker 1: may be giving some very very prime tobacco to the government,

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Speaker 1: not giving being forced to give, we should say it clearly,

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Speaker 1: this is they get the lowest price. So there's a

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Speaker 1: real question about why we're smoking it today. I cannot

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Speaker 1: tell you that since there have been embargo changes that

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Speaker 1: And certainly some can make the argument that the embargo

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Speaker 1: never got Cuba to come off of communism. The nation

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Speaker 1: still hasn't come off of communism. They're way too close

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Speaker 1: to China. We can have all those geopolitical conversations, but

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Speaker 1: we were given these and we were asked to try them,

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Speaker 1: and we said we would, and it allows us an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to talk about two things. First, this real kind

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Speaker 1: of back and forth struggle that exists with purchasing the

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Speaker 1: Cuban cigar because of the communist regime. However, there are

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Speaker 1: these farmers who are trying to survive and this is

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Speaker 1: then secondly, what has happened in the world of Cuban

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Speaker 1: cigars where they have had crop issues Europe, which does

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Speaker 1: dramatic amount. And actually there have been boutique cigar manufacturers

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Speaker 1: the story of the Cuban is first things first, in

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Speaker 1: your smoking fingers, maloy. And by the way, this I

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Speaker 1: would say is a robusto kind of five and a

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Speaker 1: inch by fifty five by fifty, which means it's five

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Speaker 1: inches long. Te always makes fingers when way laugh. And

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Speaker 1: the ring gauge is a fifty the diameter of the

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Speaker 1: cigar or how thick it is around me, I get

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Speaker 1: have you changed that up?

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Speaker 2: Though? Well, when it's a little bit. As we get

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Speaker 1: People look forward to the t heat t. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so very much. A sixty four ring gauge is a

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Speaker 1: good hand feel. I can't tell you what this tobacco is.

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Speaker 1: What's really interesting is they when they do cigars. If

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Speaker 1: nicotine forms. This is a really interesting wrapper. First of all,

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Speaker 1: much smoother than I thought. It really does look like

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Speaker 2: That's probably a fair assessment. Also, it is a lot

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Speaker 2: heavier than I was expecting when I lifted this thing up.

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Speaker 2: With the size? Is it just me? Does it feel

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Speaker 2: I get three SUPs this morning?

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Speaker 1: same rules apply. First, third, second, third, final third. You

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Speaker 1: get out your notebook, what'd you eat today? What'd you

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Speaker 2: This past week has been absolutely perfect in central Indiana.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't have a good back deck, use

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Speaker 1: and then what are the flavors you're getting out of

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Speaker 1: actually for anybody who does any level of traveling, there

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Speaker 1: some tourism there, to the extent that anybody's going to Cuba.

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Speaker 1: What say you fingers from what you experienced thus far?

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Speaker 2: I mean so far, I'm getting a little bit of

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Speaker 2: Not much more than that. But we just lit this.

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Speaker 1: It's it's just you. I think I think that's mostly

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Speaker 1: This is actually a UNESCO World Heritage Site. So to

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Speaker 1: that brings joinny protection whatsoever. It has these massive limestone

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Speaker 1: And I don't know how to properly describe what that is?

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Speaker 1: What is mineral? You know? Are you telling me, Tony

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Speaker 1: that tastes like rocks? Well no, but now that you

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Speaker 1: it is. Rocky, you see what I'm saying directional? You're

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Speaker 1: I don't know where these came from. Like we we

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Speaker 1: We're playing a dangerous game right now. I should have

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Speaker 2: If you wanted to play a dangerous game, I would

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Speaker 2: have suggested hungry, hungry hippos not dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Also, we have a moth in the studio considered good

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Speaker 2: You're going to be a star.

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Speaker 1: Wait till we tell the Norm McDonald's joke. Here. It

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Speaker 1: is this from Benito's tobacco farm. This cuban right here.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk more about Cubans. September is National Bourbon Month.

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Speaker 1: We were so busy last week because we did the Tomahawks.

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Speaker 1: We totally forgot. But it is Bourbon Heritage month and

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Speaker 1: Bourbon Day. Isn't it? Isn't that the official day of bourbon.

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Speaker 2: For some of us. Tony every day is National Bourbon Day.

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Speaker 1: See drink smell gomm Tony Kats. And that right there

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Speaker 1: is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers molloy. Bourbon the great

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Speaker 1: American drink. It is. It will this Sunday, depending on

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Speaker 1: know Bourbon does not have to come from Kentucky. Bourbon

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Speaker 1: is the great American drink. There are rules as set

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Speaker 1: Let's Go Bourbon. That is our bourbon book, available at

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Speaker 1: Amazon dot com. Let's Go Bourbon, the bourbon reader You've

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Speaker 1: always needed. It's an easy read, it's got the got

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Speaker 1: some great quotes, It's perfect for the bathroom. Put it

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Speaker 1: Give it to someone. Just a fun, easy read and

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Speaker 1: at Amazon dot com. The Fall is here. Speaking of September,

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Speaker 1: in Central Indiana. But that means that it's time for

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Speaker 1: all your favorite comfort foods. Fingers maloy. You worked a

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Speaker 2: You're exactly right. My number one comfort food if I

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Speaker 1: It's not a food.

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Speaker 2: Not with that attitude.

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Speaker 1: So they've got a list here. We always have a

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Speaker 1: list at all recipes dot com, which is excellent. All

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Speaker 1: recipes has some absolutely fantastic recipes. They do great work,

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Speaker 1: a lot of recipes dot com not that many recipes. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They start with a beef and Guinness stew and I

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Speaker 1: I'm not a fan. I'm not even gonna tell Stu joke.

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Speaker 2: using Guinness for cooking. No, no, And I I've we've

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Speaker 2: had did we do? Because Guinness has come out with

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't work for me? Uh in food form? Uh,

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Speaker 1: So really it's about how you eat with your eyes

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Speaker 1: This is a good list. This is a good list.

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Speaker 1: Now something like, for example, they've got on this list honey, garlic,

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Speaker 1: pork chops not a comfort food. That's dinner, Italian sausage

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Speaker 1: and fall. Eat drink Smoking is your cigar bourbon foody extravaganza.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz. That is America's favorite amateur drinker. Fingers maloy.

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Speaker 1: We're smoking these cubans from Benitas Tobacco Farm. Our digital

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Speaker 1: director Sarah gave us these to try that she got

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Speaker 1: I am kind of shocked by the cigar. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: money Christa number two. That is a real, real fascinating smoke.

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Speaker 1: But we start with what has happened with Cuban cigars

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Speaker 1: It was the rolex of cigars and certainly you felt

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Speaker 1: I think that the idea today that the Cuban is

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Speaker 2: I'd agree with that. I'd also be curious to talk

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Speaker 2: But also because of the the belief and I think

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Speaker 1: So I would argue the first people absolutely still go

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Speaker 1: So I don't have any doubt that people still do that.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's hard to say. In China, by slave labors,

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Speaker 1: people kill themselves exactly. It's hard.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, it's hard to feel guilty about it. Sure, we

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Speaker 1: That's a good point. Oh, that's going to give me pause.

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Speaker 1: Because I I I don't search them out. They sometimes

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Speaker 1: find their way to me. That much is true. People

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Speaker 1: know that I do cigars. They know that I've got

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Speaker 1: could do just this. I sometimes wonder maybe it is selective,

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Speaker 1: because I would feel much differently about the cigar from

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Speaker 1: though Russia isn't communist anymore. But that's kind of Oh man,

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Speaker 1: I'm now I'm stuck. By the way. This is very

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Speaker 2: Maybe some of it, maybe some of it is the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the communist regime takes, and so that farmer is

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Speaker 1: trying to survive, and I, in the end, I probably

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Speaker 1: not to do it. We were given these We're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: we will give them a go, and it allow us

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Speaker 1: for this conversation and maybe we just leave to each

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Speaker 1: not expecting to walk out of this conversation being, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm the bad guy. I might be the

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Speaker 1: Communism has to fall. Yeah, but I still buy goods

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Speaker 2: And a lot of time too. But I do a

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Speaker 1: It's been a rough week. And we start where we

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Speaker 1: start with September eleventh and the twenty fourth anniversary. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm a guy who was in d c h for

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Speaker 1: the staff said, you got to see this. I saw

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Speaker 1: the second plane hit. The stories in DC. You were

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Speaker 1: learning about the Pentagon. There were there was reports. I

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Speaker 1: remember that there were there were car bombs, but I

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Speaker 1: don't think that ever actually happened. And my fifteen minute

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Speaker 1: commune home was three hours. It was it was an

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Speaker 1: insane feeling in the fighter jets overhead and the jeeps,

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Speaker 1: the man jeeps and you know, soldiers, firearms on the corners.

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Speaker 1: It was really and truly something else of an experience.

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Speaker 1: And I think I think it was different in the Midwest,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think the concept of loss was different here.

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Speaker 1: But to think that it's been twenty four years and

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Speaker 1: I don't know where you were for September eleventh, twenty

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Speaker 1: four years, that is stunning to think about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was working in a factory at the time.

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Speaker 2: I remember driving to work and I only had an

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Speaker 2: eighth of a tank of gas and I said, I'll

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Speaker 2: get guess on my way home. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you remember what happened afterward. There was a panic

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Speaker 2: and Americans all over the country raced to the gas

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Speaker 2: station to fill up. I waited an hour and a

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Speaker 2: half to fill up my tank and then I went home.

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Speaker 2: And it was a really bizarre day because you're sitting here,

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Speaker 2: you're in complete shock, your mourning the loss of life.

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Speaker 2: I had people traveling to my house because Jimmy Buffett

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Speaker 2: and the Coral Reefer Band we're going to perform at

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Speaker 2: Deer Creek. I think it was called Verizon Wireless Music Theater,

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Speaker 2: but it's for those in Central Indiana, you know, it

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Speaker 2: is Deer Creek. And of course Jimmy Buffett postponed the show,

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Speaker 2: but meanwhile, everybody still showed up at the house and

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Speaker 2: we had a beer in barbecue and everybody's just sitting

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Speaker 2: around around a campfire, completely stunned, shocked over the days

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Speaker 2: of Alleys and what's it looks bad now when I

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Speaker 2: see you know, there were photos taken of people sitting

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Speaker 2: around a campfire drinking beer. And this kid's was when

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Speaker 2: you had to take the film to the photo Matt

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Speaker 2: and the date of the photos are on the corner

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Speaker 2: and it says, you know, nine to eleven, two thousand

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Speaker 2: and one, and it looks like a big party. And

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Speaker 2: believe me, nobody was partying. It was a really strange experience.

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Speaker 2: And of course it's just to me. I just cannot

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Speaker 2: believe it's been over twenty years. So the one thing

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Speaker 2: I think that we do well in America is remembering.

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Speaker 2: And you know, every year in New York they read

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Speaker 2: every name, two nine hundred plus names.

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Speaker 1: They read every name. And I think that those names

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Speaker 1: have grown because as firefighters and first responders have died

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Speaker 1: from the injuries received what they were breathing in there

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Speaker 1: on September eleventh, that number grows. But there is something

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Speaker 1: remarkably profound and impactful about that, because it takes hours

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Speaker 1: and they have people up there reading names, and they

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Speaker 1: go on and on. Some people give a little remembrance

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Speaker 1: or a little speech, but it is it's kind of

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Speaker 1: incredible to hear that all and to go through that

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Speaker 1: every single year. But it's important, and I'm a believer.

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Speaker 1: I don't know you agree or disagree that it is.

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Speaker 1: It is not only imperative to talk about September eleventh

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Speaker 1: and what happened and and being attacked by by what

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Speaker 1: can only be described as Islamists, people who want to

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Speaker 1: destroy Western civilization. It's you got to talk to your

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Speaker 1: kids about it. You have to talk to each other

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Speaker 1: about it, and you have to go back and watch

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Speaker 1: the videos. And I think you have to watch the

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Speaker 1: awful videos, whether that's towers coming down, these people who jumped,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's such a horrifying thought the people

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Speaker 1: that you simply could not be up there, and the

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Speaker 1: phone calls and the phone calls home, and remember these

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Speaker 1: This was not the day of voicemail, right. You weren't

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Speaker 1: gonna get someone on their cell. You left the message

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Speaker 1: and they didn't know until until later. And the messages

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Speaker 1: and the and the those conversations. It's to this day.

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Speaker 1: I I if I'm on air, I play them all

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Speaker 1: on air all the time. If it's a weekend, I'm

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Speaker 1: still listening. You have to hear it to remember how

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Speaker 1: absolutely horrific this was, because if you don't, these things

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Speaker 1: kind of get memory hold into Oh yeah, you remember that,

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Speaker 1: you can't you can't. Oh yeah? Do you remember that

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Speaker 1: the worst attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor, And

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Speaker 1: the the imperative of remembering that, you can't let that

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Speaker 1: happen again. The vigilance matters. So I find myself constantly

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Speaker 1: on September eleventh in that in that stage of remembrance

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Speaker 1: and encouraging the remembrance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a debate for a while there whether

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Speaker 2: you know news networks television networks in general should replay

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Speaker 2: a lot of that video footage, and the debate goes

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Speaker 2: on to this day. I completely agree with you. People

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Speaker 2: need to see exactly what happened on that day, and

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Speaker 2: it's a tough watch obviously, but it was a heck

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Speaker 2: of a lot tougher for people that have family and

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Speaker 2: obviously the victims it but it needs to be reviewed

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Speaker 2: and looked at. So people it's very easy to memory

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Speaker 2: hold a lot of this stuff.

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Speaker 1: So I grew up in a place called Middletown, New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: right not too far from Route thirty five for anybody

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Speaker 1: who knows Middletown, New Jersey. And I believe this is

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Speaker 1: still the statistic as a matter of percentage, Middletown lost

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Speaker 1: more people on September eleventh than any other town or

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Speaker 1: city outside of New York because people would take the

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Speaker 1: train right. I know where the train station is. I've

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Speaker 1: parked of that train station, taken the train into into Manhattan.

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Speaker 1: We always referred to it as a city growing company

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. No, it was never Philadelphia. It was always

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Speaker 1: with me a little bit. But I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I recall a debate about whether or not these things

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Speaker 1: believing there are plenty of people who are like, ah,

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Speaker 1: let's just move on, right on. No, no, no, and

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't talk about that because it might bring up

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Speaker 1: And when you're something is weeded, that means they've added

644
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: wheat to the mash bill and the wheat usually I

645
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: had to reach over, tends to give it a smoother

646
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: type of feel. According to Traveler's point, this is seventy

647
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: five percent corn. Of course, a bourbon has to be

648
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: at least fifty one percent corn, seventeen and a half

649
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: percent wheat, and seven and a half percent malted barleyar

650
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: I should say barley malt. Checking the nose on this

651
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: fingers my way and before anything, that's I wish you

652
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: almost wish it was a little bit darker. It's a

653
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: little more orange than it is amber. It's more orange

654
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: than it is honey. So there's a little bit of

655
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: depth of character here. It's a nice look as we

656
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: have it in the glen Cairn glass right. It's got

657
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: the foot bow's out comes back in. You can really

658
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: concentrate the flavors. I would not say that that's got

659
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: a real of his costity sticking slightly to the glass.

660
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: What did you get on the nose?

661
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you said four years plus, yes,

662
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: four years three months.

663
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: Nice got that right from the nose he did.

664
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: There is a bit of citrus and a bit of

665
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: a bit of citrus.

666
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 1: No that is like Grandma's orange hard candy kind of See.

667
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: I have to get in oh ah, I have to

668
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: get my nose way down there to get anything.

669
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: What. Yeah, stop and there's a little bit of spice.

670
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: Stop it. If I did that, i'd die really, Oh

671
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: my god, it would hurt.

672
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: Try it. All the kids are doing it.

673
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: I saw it on TikTok, dude, that you don't get

674
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of ethanol on that. You're not getting

675
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: like a deep kind of kind of spice going on there.

676
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: There's a spice there. There is citrus and how much else?

677
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: Oh, that nose is hitting me hard. But there's a

678
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: lot of sweet, not fruit. Orange sweets is a ton

679
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: of orange. I'm trying to figure.

680
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk myself into there being a little

681
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: bit of oak there. I'm trying to talk myself into it.

682
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: You don't get an ethanol either, are you okay?

683
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: No, we have to do.

684
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: We have to take you right now. Do you smell toast.

685
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: Lemony pledge?

686
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: No, it's not lemony. It is orange. Yeah, right there,

687
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: But enough of this? Sniff and fingers, molloy, are you

688
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: ready for this? Enough of this?

689
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: Sniffin is one of my favorite country songs, nicely done.

690
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: Fingers malloy, He's been ready for this all day. Is

691
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: doing what's known as the Kentucky chew, taking the juice,

692
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: moving it around the palate, getting a feel for it.

693
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 1: I believe in the two SIPs theory. The first sip

694
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: to set the taste, but it's the second sip to

695
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: really get an idea of the flavors. Right there, Fingers,

696
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: that went down seemingly went down pretty easy for you.

697
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: What say you nice bit of sting on the tongue, gentle,

698
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: warmth in the chest, that orange on the nose definitely

699
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: translates to the palate, and I want to say, there's

700
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: a little bit of oak there, there's some spice, and

701
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: I'm not getting much of anything else. It's it's not

702
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: to me what I would It's definitely not a traditional rye.

703
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 2: I'll be interested because you are the rye guy on eat,

704
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: drink smokey.

705
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: Bourbon.

706
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: This is not well that it makes sense. Why did

707
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: I have it in my head? It's a rye no idea.

708
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 2: I was like, I keep waiting for like this rye spice.

709
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's some spice there, but it's not right.

710
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: Well then then your palette is not lying because it

711
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: is not in any way a right. This is Traveler's pointed.

712
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: I just said at the beginning of the segment, I

713
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: could go for a weeded bourbon.

714
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: Right you are, I asked, are you swelling toasts.

715
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen. Let me explain to you the challenges

716
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: of getting older. It ain't easy. God, go ahead, have

717
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 2: a drink. I've going in. Uh the traveler's point. We

718
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: did bourbon, not rye. He's going in, ladies and gentlemen,

719
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: and he's uh, yeah, he's doing the segment. I swish,

720
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 2: he's doing the Memphis munch, the Chattanooga chomp.

721
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: Oh oh, oh.

722
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

723
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: That palette is so sweet in that orange and then

724
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: in immediate like it goes dry on the tongue and

725
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: it gets it gets a little.

726
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: He's going back in. He's too Siptonian. Ladies and gentlemen,

727
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: He's doing the Kentucky chew. It's not a rye.

728
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: It gets dry on the tongue, tiny little bit of

729
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: heat center chest. Oh. I can imagine people loving this.

730
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: This is sweeter than I ever imagined. Seventy corn. It

731
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: makes sense. There's a heat build up on the right

732
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: cheek weirdly enough, not the left cheek. Now the heat

733
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: is all building through the throat. Oh wow, that is

734
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: all there. It's like an orange. It's not a cinnamon.

735
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: It's not a cinnamon heat. I don't know, I'm all

736
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: I think that people would go wild for this if

737
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: they liked the sweeter bourbons. And I gotta think on

738
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: a cube, this thing is just gonna be absolutely orange fruity.

739
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to think. It's not juicy fruit, right,

740
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: it's not that flavor. It's way more orange than that

741
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: fruit stripe gum. Fruit stripe gum was that a thing?

742
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: Remember the stripes and you'd bite into it and you

743
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: take two chees on the gum and then it would

744
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: lose all of its flavor.

745
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: That was basically all gum.

746
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: No, and they went just recently they stopped making it,

747
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 2: don't you remember.

748
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: And the.

749
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: Rapper it was a zebra.

750
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: The wrapper was a zebra. I am. I have absolutely

751
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: no idea.

752
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: You don't remember fruit striped gum and the zebra. The

753
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 2: zebra was the colory fruity showed me a fare Yeah,

754
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: I'm showing you that it's a good radio bit right.

755
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: Fruit stripe fruity stripe, bubble gum. I do not the question, Fingers.

756
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: Moloy, is is this in your liquor cabinet? Fingers? May

757
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: I believe I have it right? Forty nine dollars ninety

758
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: nine cents.

759
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: M Let's see what it's like with a little bit

760
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: of water in it.

761
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can appreciate that.

762
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: I don't want to make a harsh judgment here. I

763
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: need to reevaluate everything because for some reason, I just

764
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: went into a rye mode and then I was all

765
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: confused because I was like, Okay, there's a spice there,

766
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: but it's not a rye spice crab. And then you

767
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: corrected me and said, this is a weeded bourbon.

768
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: It's weeded bourbon. It's a weeded or what do you think?

769
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: Do you need to have it on a cube? I

770
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: absolutely have to have it on a cube. It's so

771
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: so sweet and that little bit of spice hits and

772
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: then dissipates right there. Absolutely ten have to try that

773
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: on a cube. See if it's something we're gonna do.

774
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: Some crimes are more awful than other crimes. Some crimes

775
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: need a bigger response, like stealing breakfast stealing, breakfast stealing breakfast.

776
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:43,479
Speaker 1: I had a joke.

777
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: It was right there in the whitwell, and now the

778
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: whitwell is dry.

779
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: Did drink smoke? I'm Tony Katz and that right there

780
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: is witlessman malloy. If I could only oh gosh, I

781
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: ruined the dang joke.

782
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: I smell Marconi for this show.

783
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: Here's the headline from the New York Brazen thieves are

784
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: walking into hotels and enjoying complimentary buffet breakfasts and getting

785
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: away with it. My god, the humanity. There are Reddit

786
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: threads because Reddit has everything. Freeloaders who talk about you know,

787
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: you can go to any mid class hotel they call

788
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: it a Hampton in holiday in days in Lakita, right

789
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: around time they start serving breakfast in the lobby is

790
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: empty and you can be like, oh yeah, good morning,

791
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: Oh what a night. And then you just walk in

792
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: and uh and take breakfast and people make videos of

793
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: themselves doing it. First, Arrest those people, Arrest those people,

794
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: jail for forever for those people, or they all have

795
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: to work the Sunday morning Mother's day shift at ihop

796
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: for the rest of their lives. It's one or the other.

797
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: I just want to hear the conversation in the jail cell.

798
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: What are you in for? Armed robbery? What are you

799
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 2: in for? I stole an omelet from the hampton In. Honestly,

800
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 2: that's gonna get you beaten down for sure. Let's say

801
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: people do this, and we all know that people do this.

802
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 2: Of course people do this. There's not a question of course, right,

803
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: I don't check to see, well are you are you

804
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: staying at this fine establishment? Are you staying at the

805
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: fine Hampton In.

806
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: I'm kind of hoping people think that I'm there to

807
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: steal the free breakfast, and I'm saying somewhere way nicer. Well.

808
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: The other thing, too is once you check into a

809
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: hotel like that, you can leave with the key card

810
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: to the hotel, and chances are it's gonna have some

811
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: sort of corporate logo or whether it's Hilton or Hampton In.

812
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: And anybody asks you is flash, yeah, here's my key card. Okay,

813
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: like someone's gonna thank security.

814
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: We need to authenticate this key. No one has ever asked,

815
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: whereas they've never ever asked. But this woman creates a

816
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: TikTok video over five million views. They make it so

817
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: easy to get the free hotel breakfast when you're not

818
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: staying at a hotel. Now, anytime you see a TikTok video,

819
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: you have to assume this is a scam. Anytime you

820
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: see a TikTok video, you have to assume that there's

821
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: a whole Madame Cleo moment, that the whole thing is

822
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: a total fraud. They just made it up to get clicks.

823
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: But if you video tape yourself stealing, it has to

824
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: be double the jail time. Whatever the penalty is, double it.

825
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: I agree with you that you film that video if

826
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: you want to be some sort of TikTok personality at

827
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: a hotel you're staying at and you do it legit,

828
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: but then you tell everybody on the internet that no,

829
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: I was sneaky and I actually went in there and

830
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: I and I stole it. But you know what this

831
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: reminds me of. You remember, you know how there's for

832
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 2: a long time since you know, TikTok started there on

833
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: these trends, whether it was a tiepot, tie pod stuff

834
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: or the one that was really ridiculous. Uh, well the

835
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: tie pod thing was ridiculous too, But walking into a

836
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: grocery store and opening up the freezer of ice cream section,

837
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 2: do you remember that and they would take they would

838
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: open the ice cream like the ice cream, take a

839
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: scoop in their hand and then they close it and

840
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: walk off and laugh and then get shocked when someone

841
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: tracks them down and arrest them for it. This is

842
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 2: the kind of stuff it reminds me of people are seeking

843
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 2: out new ways to get attention on TikTok, and part

844
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 2: of it tony to me, not that I would ever

845
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 2: in a million years criticize social media influencers.

846
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 1: What being one yourself?

847
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: Oh that's me.

848
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: No, No, you're not an influence. You monitor social media.

849
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: Out That's what I do. And then I'll show you

850
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: on X If you you look me up on X

851
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: profile at fingers moy, you will see that I'm a

852
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: fitness influencer.

853
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: It's the best. So yeah, this in his bio and

854
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: look at him. That's not happening. And he said called

855
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: themselves a fitness influencer, and he will get emails saying, hey,

856
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: we think an influencer influences like you would be great

857
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: to talk about this subject with our guests, so and so.

858
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah all the time, or people pitch themselves to be

859
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: on the radio show. And it makes me laugh and

860
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 2: laugh and laugh and laugh, but it is true. I'm

861
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: a fitness influencer because it says so on the internet.

862
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: Who cares that I wrote that?

863
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: Right? No, no, no, If it's on the internet, it must

864
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: be true. But I want this woman in jail. The

865
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: people who do the videos where they're they're prank videos

866
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: and there and they're being violent towards people or trying

867
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: to menace people, I want you in jail. Every time

868
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: somebody fights back and those people get hurt and they're

869
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: screaming it was just a prank, and yet they still

870
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: get pummeled. I feel good. It's when they scream it

871
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: was just a prank and they don't get pummeled. That's

872
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: when I'm upset. You say to me, Tony, you're a

873
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: violence loving guy.

874
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 2: Know.

875
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: I think people who act like garbage and think that

876
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: they are entitled to abuse others based on the social contract. Right,

877
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: someone's being a total freaking You're just like, dude, stay

878
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: away from me. I'm done here. And then they want

879
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: to profit off of that. No, no, no, where's my profit.

880
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: My profit only comes from watching you absolutely lose a tooth,

881
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: just just some kind of wetting yourself or or other

882
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: type of a fluid leak.

883
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 2: Fluid leak, I for one can't help but think back

884
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: to an allegor invented the internet and the buzz, the

885
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: buzz around how the internet was going to be a

886
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: hugely positive influence on society humanity in general, and it

887
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: is now compared to back when it was invented, that

888
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 2: it's starting to slide to where it's a negative based

889
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 2: on social media and stuff like this, where you're thinking back,

890
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: then this is gonna benefit society, and then you see

891
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 2: this where you've got people contributing to the downfall of

892
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 2: society making it totally acceptable. Sticking it to the man

893
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 2: going into the hotel and stealing the fre.

894
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: Why we need to go at these people. This woman

895
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: should not be allowed five million views on TikTok for

896
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: engaging in a legal activity. She should be arrested and

897
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: forced into hard labor. And that hard labor should be

898
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: pay per viewed and people who want to buy it

899
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: can and that's how we get the restitution to the

900
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: hotel where she stole from. But the restitution has to

901
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: be four hundred times what it is that she stole,

902
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 1: and therefore there has to be some good labor because

903
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: I need something to laugh.

904
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: At, and that hard labor should be broadcast on TikTok. No,

905
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: it's like you weren't listening at all. Full circle see

906
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: circle of social media. Why should she be rewarded Let's say,

907
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: not her TikTok. Let's say let's say she made it up.

908
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: Why should she be rewarded with views? Not her TikTok?

909
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: There are other TikTok accounts. Is it wrong that I

910
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: want her in jail? No, I just because I want

911
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: her in jail.

912
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: I don't if this truly listen, we all know I

913
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: want to be the kind of woman who cries at

914
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: her arraignment so I can laugh and say that was satisfying.

915
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 2: You just said that you want to be the kind

916
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: of woman that does that. I want to be the

917
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 2: kind of guy who sees that woman to do that. Yeah, honestly,

918
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 2: I would be that kind of woman who does that.

919
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: Like that's how much I want to see this. Wowe, No,

920
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: I agree with you that someone like this needs to

921
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: be right if it encourages this encourages this type of behavior.

922
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 2: We don't need more people stealing in twenty twenty five.

923
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: We just need more people being normal in twenty twenty five.

924
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: Good luck with that.

925
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: Well, you throw a couple of people in jail for

926
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: when they admit they broke the law. May maybe we

927
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: stand a chance. Eat Drink Smoke. It is your cigar

928
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: Bourbon fout the extravagant Amtony Katz that is fingers below.

929
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: I find it all at Eat Drink Smoke show at

930
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: dot com and so you should. We are smoking these

931
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: cubans from Benito's tobacco farm, given to us by our

932
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: digital director Sarah, and it has been a lovely smoke.

933
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: We don't have a price on these. We don't have

934
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: a makeup of a wrapper, binder filler these where we

935
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: estimates five by fifty robustos. It has had this this

936
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: this bit of spice to it. It has had this

937
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: this little bit of bite to it. I'm saying it's

938
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: more mineral. You've argued that it's leather. I think it's

939
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: kind of working its way into that leather and maybe

940
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: some maybe a little bit of even hay, even it's

941
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: it's been a it's been a nice smoke, for sure.

942
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: It hasn't been a my gosh, there say I've ever

943
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: smoked smoke. But it's been a nice cigar it has been.

944
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would go great lengths to

945
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: get my hands on one right. And again, it's not

946
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: because it's Cuban. It's that there are so many goods

947
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: robustos that I could grab in the nine to fourteen

948
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Speaker 1: dollars category.

949
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure, but it is definitely a cigar that

950
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 2: once you're done with it, you can at least say

951
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: to your friends, I just smoked a Cuban.

952
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: That is true. And if you missed any of our

953
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: conversations about Cubans and whether or not you should be

954
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: doing it, be sure to check out the podcast subscribe

955
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: wherever it is you get your podcasts Eat Drink Smoke

956
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: and of course Instagram Eat Drink Smoke, podcast, Facebook Eat

957
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Speaker 1: Drink Smoke and Twitter x go Eat Drink Smoke and

958
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: we are drinking Travelers points here. This is their weeded bourbon,

959
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: coming in at ninety seven proof, very very orange. I

960
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: had an interesting kind of spice to it, created some

961
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: heat in the cheek and a very dry tongue finish

962
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: for everything else. Still had that very sweet in your

963
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: candied orange. You added a little water to yours. I

964
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: added a cube to mine. Kept it in the glen cairnglass. Uh.

965
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: That's water, right. So water brings down proof and this

966
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: was ninety seven proof age four years plus. Water will

967
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: bring out certain flavors, make certain flavors muted. That's what

968
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: it does. It opens up the bourbon.

969
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: I suggest that we get you a cube caddy because

970
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 2: by the time you drop your cube in and we

971
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 2: get to talking, it's it's melted.

972
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: It is melted. It is melted. But I'm going in.

973
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: Okay, he's going in, ladies and gentlemen, he's going to

974
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 2: enjoy this weeded bourbon rye and that he is not happy,

975
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 2: not happy at all.

976
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm oh hamana.

977
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: Haamanah hamanahamana, that's what I'm expecting. Talk to me, talk

978
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: to me, pally.

979
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: God, that got bitter. Really, it wiped out all of

980
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: the orange and the orange is now on the finish

981
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 1: that it's not right. Oh, it's not the way nature

982
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: intended it.

983
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: Okay.

984
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: Oh. Oh, by the way, I think one of the

985
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: flavors you're you're like is is that I forget what

986
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: you said it was, what the flavor was. I think

987
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: there is a little bit of cocoa going on in there.

988
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm not it's not a coffee. It's if there is

989
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: an oak, it's it's very very very subtle. That did

990
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: not it did. It played better neat, but it was

991
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: just too sweet for me. Neat. Uh. That did not

992
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: play well in a cube at all.

993
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: So you're saying that whatever coffee that is to you,

994
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: it's hitting you like Folgers crystals.

995
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: If it was Folger's crystals, I'd be happy. That's chockful

996
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: of nuts.

997
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 2: It's never unfunny.

998
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: He's taking his sip. He added a little bit of

999
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: water again, just opening up. See see what you I'm

1000
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: not insane, am I? The why weird? Like it took

1001
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: away all the fun stuff? Is that soap? Dude? We're

1002
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: just being rude at this point. Can we not? Can

1003
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: we not be rude? But it did. It took away

1004
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: everything that was super interesting about the bourbon, and it

1005
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: was very very sweet. Like I'm not, I don't like

1006
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: it that sweet. I want more oak. But I could

1007
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: see how neat some people would do it. I could

1008
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: totally get that. The cube experience has just been horrific.

1009
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: I wonder if I got to put more in there.

1010
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: Maybe the problem is it's too deluded. While I'm putting

1011
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: it in the Glenn cairennglass and I gotta really fill

1012
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: a poor in a rocks glass in order to get

1013
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: your right.

1014
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, oh.

1015
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah you say that.

1016
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: No, I'm fine, and I regret saying because that's soap,

1017
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: because I went for humor and it was a cheap shot.

1018
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: It was a cheap shot, and I apologize, and I apologize,

1019
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: but I'm at a no for in my liquor cabinet.

1020
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: It's forty nine ninety nine. I am also a no neat.

1021
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: It is actually an interesting joint that that orange is everywhere.

1022
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: It was a little overwhelming for me, and I got

1023
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: more ethanol in the nose than Fingers, who got absolutely nothing.

1024
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: But I think I got to try it rocks Glass Cube,

1025
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: big Rock and see if that makes a difference, because

1026
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: it took away the suite that made it interesting and

1027
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: just left it is. It left it bitter and that

1028
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: is just not absolutely not where I want to be.

1029
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: I want to get to News of the week. The

1030
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: question is do you want to do it now how

1031
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: we were going to do it, or do you want

1032
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: to do it in a little bit Fingers Maloy, how

1033
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: do you how do you want to hit this?

1034
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: Why don't we just go ahead and dive right in

1035
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: and if we have to touch on it in the

1036
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 2: next set, we'll continue this.

1037
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: As we discussed, this has been a week, not only

1038
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: the week of the twenty fourth anniversary of September eleventh,

1039
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: but the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Now we don't really

1040
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: engage politics on the show. Here, Arlie Kirk found a

1041
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: turning point USA on the political rights would do those

1042
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: college tours in encouraging college students. He had a really

1043
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: incredible following, truly incredible. He was speaking at Utah Valley University.

1044
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: He was shot as we're speaking to you. The suspect

1045
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: has still not been apprehended. The video of the shooting

1046
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: is horrific, and he died. He was thirty one. He

1047
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: leaves behind a wife and two very small children. Fingers

1048
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: Boy and I have been in this movement political movement

1049
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: for years. It's how we met, how we know each other,

1050
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: and we have both spoken in events, and we have

1051
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: both spoken in front of large crowds and small crowds.

1052
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: And we would never think anybody would believe that we

1053
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: would have the popularity of Charlie Kirk. That said, everybody

1054
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: who is in our world, in the political world, is

1055
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: looking at this and saying, my god, this does indeed

1056
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: change at all. And everyone says everyone can be a target.

1057
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: We're all fully aware of this. This isn't like speaking

1058
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: and saying, oh, well, it is us. This is a

1059
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: horrifying thing that took place. Some of the reactions are

1060
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: even more horrifying. But I think the first thing here

1061
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: is that to the extent that political assassinations or attempted

1062
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: assassinations happened like we saw in President Trump in twenty

1063
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: twenty four Butler, Pennsylvania, there's a history of that. The

1064
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: United States political commentator, the rubicon has been crossed fingers

1065
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: And that's where you've been on this subject, with the

1066
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: true belief that nothing's going to be the same.

1067
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 2: No, nothing is going to be the same, especially if

1068
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: you are in any kind of work that involves sharing

1069
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: your opinion online or on the radio. Charlie Kirk had

1070
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 2: his radio show he you know, like you said, he

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Speaker 2: did these college tours. We have talked on several occasions

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Speaker 2: about what is going on in college campuses right now.

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Speaker 2: The hecket's gotten to the point where comedians and they're

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Speaker 2: not worried about violence. But they're worried to go on

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Speaker 2: college campuses today because of the negative reaction you get

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Speaker 2: from telling a joke. We have no idea if this

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Speaker 2: was this the shooter was actually affiliated with the University

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Speaker 2: of it, was a student or not so far, like

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Speaker 2: you said, as we are broadcasting at this time, there

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Speaker 2: has been a photo released and the description of the

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Speaker 2: shooter said that he looks like he's college age. That's

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Speaker 2: able to you know, to be able to blend in

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Speaker 2: with the people on the campus. But like you said,

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Speaker 2: that's all we have. But you know, I can't help

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Speaker 2: but think over the years of the people that I've

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Speaker 2: talked to, the people that I've interacted with, who I've

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Speaker 2: become friends with, and I can't help but think about

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Speaker 2: how this changes everything and how they feel about their

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Speaker 2: personal safety and their families as well. And of course,

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Speaker 2: our hearts, our thoughts, and our prayers go out to

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Speaker 2: Charlie's family. Like you said, he married with two small children.

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Speaker 1: I do want to dig in a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a little bit of time with this

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Speaker 1: about how the effect is personal, because I don't think

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Speaker 1: it is relegated to well, the rubicon has been crossed

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Speaker 1: and it could be any of us. I argue it

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Speaker 1: could be any of us in a much grander, grander

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Speaker 1: sense that it can clearly and easily be not just

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Speaker 1: somebody who speaks on radio or podcasts, but someone who

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Speaker 1: posts on social media, eat, drink, smoke. Tony Katz fingers

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Speaker 1: maloy as we discussed what happened in Utah and the

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Speaker 1: assassination of Charlie Kirk. Now, I think first it's it's

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Speaker 1: kind of gotten people weirded out. You take somebody who

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Speaker 1: isn't the politician, isn't the world leader. Charlie Kirk was

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Speaker 1: killed while speaking at Utah Valley University, and people say assassination.

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Speaker 1: But that's very much seems to be what it is.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't a mugging, This wasn't a robbery, This wasn't

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Speaker 1: you know, a stabbing. This was somebody who was on

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Speaker 1: a rooftop. We know that part for fact, there was

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Speaker 1: a single action, a bolt action rifle, I should say

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Speaker 1: we know that part for fact there are things inscribed

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Speaker 1: on the ammunition on the Showcasings. We know that for

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Speaker 1: a fact that all had political ties to it. So

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Speaker 1: since he was clearly killed for something political, political belief,

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Speaker 1: political philosophy, political support of the political right. I think

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Speaker 1: assassination applies here. I think that you can utilize the term.

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Speaker 1: I was making the points just before. And if you

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Speaker 1: missed any part of this, the podcast is there for

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Speaker 1: you wherever it is you get your podcasts fingers Mologne

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Speaker 1: that this isn't just about those of us on radio. Look,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about safety and security at events that I do.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have events here in Central Indiana. We

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Speaker 1: have a few hundred people, two three hundred people at

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Speaker 1: every event. I've got police there. I absolutely have that

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Speaker 1: at every event I do. It is now written into

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Speaker 1: events I do. It must be provided me. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: not in any way big enough for that, except it

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Speaker 1: has to happen. Now. The no amount of security was

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Speaker 1: going to stop this guy. This guy perched up on

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Speaker 1: a roof and had an angle and everything else. You

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Speaker 1: would have had to add bulletproof glass and all sorts

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Speaker 1: of things to try and stop this. But I don't

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Speaker 1: think that this new phase is just about those of

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Speaker 1: us who might be in a more of a public

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Speaker 1: eye speaking about political things or cultural things. Anybody in

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Speaker 1: he drinks smoke nation, who writes a Facebook post that

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Speaker 1: somebody else doesn't like or finds offensive, aren't I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's what we're saying here, and with a bunch of

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Speaker 1: people not really condemning this at any level of strong way.

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Speaker 1: Some have on both sides of the aisle. Some on

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Speaker 1: one side of the aisle have cheered it. It's been

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Speaker 1: really ugly. Some have just kind of said, well, there's

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Speaker 1: a guy by named Matthew Dowd who appears on MSNBC,

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Speaker 1: and he said an hour after this happened, well, if

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Speaker 1: you say hateful things, you should expect hateful things to happen.

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Speaker 1: He got fired by MSNBC and good on MSNBC for

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Speaker 1: doing so. But this can play to anybody who's making

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Speaker 1: a statement somewhere or putting a post up somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because also in twenty twenty five, what has happened

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Speaker 2: is what used to be considered lively debate, rhetoric and

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Speaker 2: lively debate maybe twenty years ago, has now been twisted

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Speaker 2: into saying, if you're having a lively debate, if your

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Speaker 2: words are words that I disagree with, that's hate and

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Speaker 2: that's hateful. You package that in a way that makes

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Speaker 2: honest political dialogue and debate into hate speech. Then that

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Speaker 2: takes you down a path where some say to themselves,

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Speaker 2: if this person is hateful, something should be done about that.

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Speaker 2: It's really troubling and social media. We joke about social

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Speaker 2: media all the time. Yeah, social media has made this

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Speaker 2: so much worse?

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Speaker 1: Is this the reason to walk from it? Do you

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Speaker 1: walk from social media at the stage of the game.

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Speaker 1: Is there any value in it? Because there are people

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Speaker 1: still profiting of it, people still sharing on it, and

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Speaker 1: maybe while you're there you can kind of counter some

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Speaker 1: of the madness.

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Speaker 2: It depends on how good you are at using social

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Speaker 2: media and filters. If you're getting a I get on

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Speaker 2: Instagram a lot for food recipes. If you want to

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Speaker 2: filter out Democrat, Republican, you know, name whatever hot button issue,

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Speaker 2: you can do that filter out those words and hopefully

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Speaker 2: that will adjust your feed. If you feel like you

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Speaker 2: need to take a break from that part of social

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Speaker 2: media but still need to get your social media fixed,

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Speaker 2: I would argue that while I think it is good

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Speaker 2: to do that from time to time, you can't fully

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Speaker 2: ignore what's going on in the world and how people

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Speaker 2: are talking to each other. I don't think that that

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Speaker 2: is beneficial either, because you're just putting your head in

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Speaker 2: the sand.

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Speaker 1: Did social media make things worse? Or did social media

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Speaker 1: allow the bad people to more amplify the horrific voice.

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Speaker 1: We're not talking about whether or not we agree with

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Speaker 1: each other. That is not the argument that either one

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Speaker 1: of us are making. Disagree with me politically, all you

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Speaker 1: wish it is fine. It is saying that somehow I'm

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Speaker 1: keeping us from democracy, I want to destroy the country.

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Speaker 1: It's calling me a Nazi. And every time you call

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Speaker 1: the Jewish guy a Nazi. It's super weird, but it

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Speaker 1: happens all the time. Sometimes before six point thirty in

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Speaker 1: the morning, someone's like, just good morning, Nazi, and you're like,

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Speaker 1: I just haven't I haven't had coffee yet, how are you?

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Speaker 1: How do you have this time?

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Speaker 2: Don't even call me Nazi until I have my first

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Speaker 2: cup of coffee.

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Speaker 1: True enough, fact it's it's I don't blame social media

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Speaker 1: to the extent that there have always been terrible people.

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Speaker 1: You can talk about social media emboldening terrible people though,

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Speaker 1: giving them space to move and uprate, but we also

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Speaker 1: see it on cable news, and we also see it

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Speaker 1: in print, and we also see it in culture.

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Speaker 2: I would argue that it was a one two punch

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Speaker 2: of social media and COVID. COVID was the steroids to

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Speaker 2: all of this, and it feels like people's behavior has

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Speaker 2: gotten ten times worse on social media after the whole

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Speaker 2: COVID and COVID lockdown you know that we went through.

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Speaker 2: It feels like an emboldened people to not have that

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Speaker 2: filter that they used to have and say, Okay, listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm really angry right now, but I don't want to

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Speaker 2: put this out on the internet, and went from that

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Speaker 2: to it feels like after that happened, I'm putting every

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Speaker 2: angry thought. Every time I'm bothered, I'm throwing it on

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Speaker 2: social media and I don't care what anybody thinks.

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Speaker 1: So again I go back to this cultural issue of

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Speaker 1: people believing then because they feel a certain way, other

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01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 1: people have to act a certain way, and I don't

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Speaker 1: believe that to be true. You can't say that it

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01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: offends me. My job is not to worry about your offense.

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Speaker 1: What offends me is not being able to speak freely.

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Speaker 1: That offends me. And if you don't care about that,

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Speaker 1: and I don't care about you, that's actually the way

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Speaker 1: it's supposed to work. There's a real unique argument for

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Speaker 1: the value of selfishness in a free society. You get

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01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: to say what you want to say. I get to

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01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: say what I want to say. I can't encourage people

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Speaker 1: to harm you. You can't encourage people to harm me.

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Speaker 1: We do have rules. We are not a nation of

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Speaker 1: free speech absolutism. There are certain rules to the road.

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Speaker 1: But the issue, I think is the fostering of this

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Speaker 1: idea that your feelings matter, they count, no one can

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01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,600
Speaker 1: discount them, and you can speak about the maintime you

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Speaker 1: want and here's how you feel, here's what this person.

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Speaker 1: It's not real, but it's how you win an election.

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Speaker 1: It's not real, but it's how you gin up opposition

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Speaker 1: to them. And we have This is the part going

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Speaker 1: back to George Bush, going back to how the George

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Speaker 1: Bush I'll gore election went and hanging chads and all

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Speaker 1: that jazz. I think that's where you lead to the

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Speaker 1: birth of this newest insanity, which twenty five years later

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Speaker 1: is now leading to people being assassinated while speaking and

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Speaker 1: debating a crowd of thousands.

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Speaker 2: And what's sad is you ask yourself, what is it

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01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 2: going to take to turn the temperature down? And I

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Speaker 2: don't think that it's ever going to get better.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. It's not that I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: ever gonna get better. It's just that I don't think

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Speaker 1: there is anything that turns the switch. I believe that

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Speaker 1: the only way out is through, and we're in the

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01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: dark time right now in this and the only way

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Speaker 1: to get through it is to keep being rational, keep

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01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: being normal, head on a swivel. The people who do

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Speaker 1: this stuff need to be prosecuted in ways we can't

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Speaker 1: even describe. You gotta teach your kids that it's okay

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Speaker 1: if somebody disagrees with you, it's absolutely okay. It's not

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Speaker 1: the end of society, and those people should not be hurt.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to teach it to your sister in

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