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Speaker 2: He, of course, when he took.

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Speaker 1: couple of times since I'm talking about the head basketball

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Speaker 1: got word that Pat Knight would resign that position. He

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Speaker 1: joins us now on the Java House Peel and poor

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Speaker 1: guest line. Pat, I know last night when we talked you,

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Speaker 1: you know, the word had just come out that you

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Speaker 1: were going to end your tenure at Marion. Where do

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Speaker 1: things stand now in terms of whether or not that

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Speaker 1: has taken place or you have had that conversation, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no conversation. I mean, it's I mean, how

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Speaker 3: the meeting ended yesterday during the day is pretty obvious

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Speaker 3: that I quit, So is my usual colorful self. I

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Speaker 3: been no question about it. So it's I mean, it

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Speaker 3: was done after during the meeting when they, you know,

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Speaker 3: want me to fire my assistant coach. At the end

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Speaker 3: harping on it, harping on it, and then you understand

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Speaker 3: and people's true colors come out, some red flags come out,

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Speaker 3: and it's like, as a coach, this is won't end good.

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Speaker 3: And so I just quit. Then you know, I'm not

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Speaker 3: And that did nothing, and so it was done immediately.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I left that meeting, Now they thought

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Speaker 3: uh but yeah, no, it stands the same. I'm uh

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Speaker 3: done coaching and uh there, and I just refuse. I'm

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Speaker 3: Just that makes ten thousand dollars lives away. And I

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Speaker 3: You know, so when administrations for all the coaches out there,

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Speaker 3: trust me, if they start messing with your staff, start

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's go back to this.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know obviously for the season, the season

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Speaker 2: And I don't mean I'm just going off record.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you looked at it and said, no, we were

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Speaker 1: a disappointing loss at Goshen, you had been ejected from

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Speaker 1: that game, and then after that seemingly is when this

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Speaker 3: Well what happens is so uh no, I get thrown

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Speaker 3: the problem was after the game, it was mayhem, you know,

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Speaker 3: At the end of the year he lost total control,

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Speaker 3: true stuff. Well, guys, the only one you know, I'll

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Speaker 3: how it happened. I mean so, but I don't need

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Speaker 3: it's just too many red flags from a coaching Standboy,

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Speaker 3: I don't feel there's any support. Uh. So that's why

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Speaker 2: Your assistant coach.

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Speaker 1: Who is now the interim head coach is Todd Howard,

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Speaker 1: personal level, admittedly, Pat not on a basketball level. On

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Speaker 3: Just when, Man, I mean, he came, he came and

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Speaker 3: that has nothing to do with it. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: like this high school. Let's listen to everybody, whether this

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Speaker 3: just changed, uh too much, And so yeah, I got

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Speaker 1: Pat you obviously, Pat Knight is my guest Joba House

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Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest.

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Speaker 1: You know, you have been around basketball your whole life,

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Speaker 3: No? I mean I understand he's an administrator so and

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Speaker 3: I still love him. It's business. But that didn't change

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Speaker 3: how I think about did I Look, you know, someone

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not that, that's not how this works.

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Speaker 3: god dang it. I'm sorry. Uh. It's a great place,

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Speaker 3: you know, had a good recruit class come in and

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Speaker 3: get after it next year. But I I refuse when

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Speaker 3: that that is a red flag for any coach.

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Speaker 1: Was that a I'll use the term pat PTSD. In

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Speaker 1: other words, you've had experience with this before with administration

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Speaker 1: reminded you of other things you've been involved with that

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Speaker 3: Oh definitely. That's why I was like done. And then

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Speaker 3: you know, my poor assistant, he kept caught, come back,

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Speaker 3: just come back, you know, come back tomorrow. You know

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Speaker 3: they I don't think, they don't believe that you really

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Speaker 3: meant it come out. I was like, those are red flags.

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Speaker 3: Trust me, right, I know where this ends up. These

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Speaker 3: are red flags. I'm done. And that's why I made

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Speaker 3: the announcement last night to some people. So it's out

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Speaker 3: there like there's no you know, going back, and uh

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Speaker 3: yeah it is like pp as you like, whoa wait,

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Speaker 3: oh I know where this is going. Okay, show you

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Speaker 3: true colors. Yeah, okay, here we go.

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Speaker 2: Pat.

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Speaker 1: Having coached Pat and looking back at your coaching career,

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Speaker 1: What did it teach you about you? Not about your dad,

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Speaker 1: Lastly, Pat Knight is my guest, the now former head

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Pat, you grew up obviously in Bloomington. I

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Speaker 3: I mean, like if we were talking about my dad

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Speaker 2: You know, were you rooting for them?

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Speaker 1: Because I know that you have a fractured relationship with

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Speaker 1: Indiana University at the end, who did you? I'm assuming

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Speaker 1: just and I know that you went back, but you know,

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Speaker 1: because of the way that things went down with your

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Speaker 1: dad from a coaching standpoint, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but those people are gone, you know. I mean

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Speaker 3: Scott Dolson baby said me, Man, you know, come on,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to root again Scott Dolson, you know,

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Speaker 3: and everybody's gone. You know how it is, you're younger stuff.

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Speaker 3: When it happens, yeah, you're gonna have You're gonna be

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Speaker 3: upset and not like it. But no, no, shoot, I'm

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Speaker 3: way past that.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: I root for coach to breathe. I mean the football team.

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Speaker 3: I want him to do well. I mean, I love Indiana.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't go down there because a lot

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Speaker 3: and I'll go down to my mom and well, stupmom.

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Speaker 3: But the problem for me is it's not that I

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Speaker 3: don't like Blueton. I want still thinks I'm that fifteen

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Speaker 3: year old hell rage. You know, people bring up well back,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm fifty five years old. Yes I did

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Speaker 3: some stupid things, but I didn't do it yesterday. Cut

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Speaker 3: me a break. So when I go down there, I

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Speaker 3: like to visit quickly and get back out. But no,

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Speaker 3: I you know, I root for him. And you know, like,

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Speaker 3: I'm going back down Monday for the Oregon game because

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Speaker 3: they're honoring the seventy six team and Quinn and those

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Speaker 3: guys asked if I'd come down just to represent my dad.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I'd do anything for Indiana and

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Speaker 3: got no problem. And I root for the basketball team,

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Speaker 3: the women's basketball I mean football. I mean that's way

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Speaker 3: way in the past.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Scott Dolson babysat you, and you were

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Speaker 1: nineteen at the time, right, isn't that right?

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Speaker 3: When I was nineteen?

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Speaker 1: No, No, I'm saying, I'm joking, saying when you were there,

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Speaker 1: Scott Dolson probably still was keeping you on the straight

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Speaker 1: and narrow, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was twelve. No, I was probably I don't know, thirteen,

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Speaker 3: twelve thirteen, and he was and he won. The only

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Speaker 3: one that was problem. It was probably the main problem

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Speaker 3: being a manager for my dad. You got stuck taking

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Speaker 3: care of me down the road. Uh you know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: how'd you like to be a manager? You got to

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Speaker 3: put up with my dad's be a Oh by the way,

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Speaker 3: you got a room with his uh messed up son, Pat.

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Speaker 2: So huh you got to know all the guys, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The managers were great, so you know, but I put

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Speaker 3: him Yeah, yeah, I put him through a ringer.

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Speaker 2: Well, Pat, I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: As we get closer as the pacers, we'll see what

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Speaker 1: happens with the pacer season and where you end up

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Speaker 1: from a scouting standpoint. But love to have you back on,

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Speaker 1: maybe break down some pacer stuff as well, because I

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Speaker 1: know you know that roster.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean I had been on I hadn't

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Speaker 3: been on it so long, so I was like what

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Speaker 3: can I do? And I was like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to quit and then maybe Jake will

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Speaker 3: have me off.

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Speaker 2: There you go. All right, Well, congratulations, you only swore twice.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate it, all right, Gus. All right, Pat Night

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Speaker 2: joining us on the program.