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And Bill keep Shabaz. Hello. 36 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 3: It's a beautiful day to be a political pundit. 37 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: All right, So. 38 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: Let's start with the gift that keeps on gifting. 39 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: Let's start with when society wins, and that's when Todd 40 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: Rokita loses. And the Attorney General CoRIS Todd Raketya, the 41 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: Attorney General for the state of Indiana. And look, I 42 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: assume most people tuning into this program are aware of 43 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: his circumstance. This is the sort of those who are 44 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: tuned Indiana politics and government. But just in case that 45 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 2: they aren't, a very high level. So a couple of 46 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: years ago, the Attorney General Todd Rakeeda, he went on 47 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: Fox News. He made some comments about an abortion doctor 48 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: and abdual very high level, explain this to people. As 49 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: an attorney in the state of Indiana, there are special 50 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 2: rules that you agree to operate by in terms of 51 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: your conduct higher than the higher burden or a higher 52 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: level than the average person in their First Amendment rights 53 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 2: and freedoms. And Todd Rakeeda in that appearance on Fox 54 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 2: News essentially violated those rules of conduct. 55 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 3: It wasn't so much that those rules of conduct that 56 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: kind of got a slap on the wrist. What got 57 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: Todd Raketa in trouble is his statements to the Discplinary 58 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 3: Commission and to the Supreme Court. 59 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: Right right, right, But I'm saying this is where this 60 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: all started, with some appearance on Fox News in which 61 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: he said some things that is not the attorneys. He 62 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: has the First Amendment right as a human being to 63 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 2: say them, but by the rules he agrees to participate 64 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: by as an attorney, he should not have done exactly. Okay. 65 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 2: So he then, as you alluded to, went in front 66 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 2: of the Disciplinary Commission, which is the group that oversees 67 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: attorneys in the state of Indiana, and he got what 68 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: essentially amounted to a slap on the wrist. He was 69 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: I think, paid a small fine, verbal warning. But the 70 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: big part about it was he agreed that the charges 71 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: that were made against him he would not have been 72 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: able to defend, right had they come in front of 73 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court. 74 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: That's the big thing, right exactly. And then after he 75 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: basically signs the agreement, he goes back and says, well, 76 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: only sign it. I didn't really do it. I didn't 77 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 3: really believe it. I decided to get off my back, like, uh, no, 78 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 3: you can't do that. 79 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: Because you signed something under like what penalty of perjury 80 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: or whatever? 81 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: When the lawyer equivalent of perjury without the criminal aspect, 82 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: that's correct. 83 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, nobody's saying he is going to go to prison. 84 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: This is about his law license and how he is 85 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: able to practice law in the state of Indiana, which. 86 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: You have to have to be attorney general. 87 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: To be attorney general. Okay, So as soon as he 88 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: did that, he comes out with this big press release, 89 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: as you said, basically saying I didn't do this, you know, 90 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: I only did this to save the taxpayers money. And 91 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 2: people were like, uh, well, these two things can't be 92 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 2: true at the same time, and a new round of 93 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 2: complaints put him in front of the Disciplinary Commission once again. 94 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: Now before we get to the latest on what's going 95 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: on with that, because I look, you and I have 96 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: discussed this. I for the first time think that this 97 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: weasel could potentially be in some in some hot water. 98 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: I mean he I thought that before, and he finds 99 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 2: a way to maneuver out and about and around things. 100 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 2: But he I think I this could be could the 101 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: keyword there be the one Jim Herritt, What is wrong 102 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: with this guy? 103 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 4: You know, I've known him for a long long time, 104 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 4: and I've known him for a long long time, and 105 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 4: and I don't know, I just don't know. 106 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: But it used to be a somewhat normal human being. 107 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 4: Absolutely his secretary of State, he took on he took 108 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 4: on the idea of redistricting, and and. 109 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: Uh he changed his mind on that, now changed his. 110 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 5: Mind on that. 111 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 4: And and uh and and his his dad is a dentist. 112 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 5: My sister is a dentist. 113 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: I didn't know that. 114 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 4: Yes, And uh he's from northwest Indiana. And uh and 115 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 4: and he was a fairly responsive member of Congress. Uh. 116 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 4: He's He's had a lot of great public service in 117 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 4: his background, in his past. And for some reason, Uh, 118 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 4: when he was running for the US Senate, Uh, he 119 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 4: all all of a sudden became combative and trump like and. 120 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: I just wasn't even good at it. 121 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I I just don't understand. Uh. 122 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 4: Uh Then uh, citizens Braun made you know, made a 123 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 4: made a mockery of of Luke Messer and Todd Rukeda's 124 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 4: run for the US Senate. 125 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 5: I don't know what happened here. 126 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 4: And uh, you know, one thing about this whole process 127 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 4: that I've I've been watching is is the participants and 128 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 4: abdul do I have a correct The Judge Nancy Vedik, 129 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 4: as well as uh as Judge Cale Bradford are a 130 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 4: part of this decision. 131 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: Okay, So let's set this up. So these complaints come 132 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: back in front of the Discipline Disciplinary Commission. They the 133 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: disciplayer condition. So the way it works, a duilkraf have wrong, 134 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 2: the discilinary Commission essentially works as like the prosecutor, right, 135 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 2: and then Roketa is the essentially the defendant. 136 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 5: Right. 137 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: So there is normally what they call a hearing officer 138 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: who it is the hearing officer's job to act as 139 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 2: the judge, and then that person makes a recommendation to 140 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: the State Supreme Court who ultimately rules. Okay, the State 141 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 2: Supreme Court without saying and I think has basically said 142 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: we've had enough of you, mister Rokita, and we are 143 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: going to eliminate every possible way for you to cry 144 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: foul or victim or bias or whatever else. And so 145 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,119 Speaker 2: instead of having a hearing officer, they've put a three 146 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: judge panel who will serve as the hearing officer. All judges, 147 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: two of them were appointed by Republicans, Cale Bradford, who 148 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: you mentioned. Then there's a former federal magistrate Hussman I 149 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: think is his name, and then Vedik that is the 150 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: third member. I believe she was appointed. She's an appeals 151 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: court judge, as is Cale Bradford. By she was appointed 152 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: by Frank O'Bannon. So these three people will make the 153 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: make the recommendation. 154 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: And also they're also spread out geographically to one from 155 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 3: northern Indiana, Central Indiana, and southern Indiana. So you've got 156 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: got the political diversity as well as the geographical diversity. 157 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: This way, Todd cannot whine about this is unfair. No, 158 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: this is this is a rig system. Got two Republicans 159 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,239 Speaker 3: one Democrat from all across the Indiana. 160 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 4: This is no kangaroo court. Now, I grew up with 161 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 4: Cale Bradford. Kle Bradford is integrity, one oh one. 162 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: He was my wife's college professor. 163 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, he's an outstanding individual and jurist. And Nancy 164 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 4: Vedik is an outstanding jurish adjurist. And uh and uh 165 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 4: and so I'm not sure who Hushman is, but uh, 166 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 4: I have all the all the confidence in the world 167 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 4: that Todd will get his day in court. Oh, he's 168 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 4: gonna get it and as well as it's gonna be fair. 169 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: Okay, So, Abdullah, I know you covered this Capital Chronicle, 170 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: cover this whole bunch of media outlets cover this, and 171 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: basically Rokita has done everything in his power to try 172 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: to delay this thing, because the big deal is you 173 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: cannot be the attorney general without a law license, and 174 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: so this this panel can ultimately decide to do a 175 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: variety of things with them, everything from nothing. They could 176 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: say he didn't do anything wrong and go home. They 177 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: could say suspension with reinstatement. But the big one would 178 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: be suspension without automatic reinstatement, which means that would that 179 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: would put us set up a real area of wonder. Now, 180 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,359 Speaker 2: State Supreme Court is not obligated to take this panel's recommendation. 181 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: They could say we don't think it's extreme enough, we 182 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 2: think it's too extreme. Whatever. So Rokita has had filed 183 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 2: a bunch of paperwork trying to get discovery on the 184 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: Disciplinary Commission. Abduel is doing the shoveling motion over here, 185 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: my shoveling, and this panel was like, no, we're done 186 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 2: with you. We're going to have this hearing. They set 187 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: the hearing date in December. 188 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 3: Way and speak of this. Here's what Todd argued, and 189 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: this is what as attorney kills me, he already had 190 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 3: the first move, would right to say what he said whatever. 191 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: Which he doesn't the same way as on these public 192 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: radio airwaves that we appear on. There's things we can't 193 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: say that I could say on the street on Monument 194 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: Circle in front of our bild here, like you give 195 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: up rights when you join clubs voluntarily. 196 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 3: And the other thing too, is he tried to file 197 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 3: what was called an anti slap motion, which is basically 198 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: it prohibits frivolous lawsuits aimed at silencing critics. So let's 199 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: say I see the governor. He sued me back because 200 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 3: I criticized him something, so you can file I can 201 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 3: file under the anti slap statue of nutshell. Sure, he 202 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: tried to use all that, and they're like no, no, no, 203 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: get the hell out of. 204 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: Here because basically what this panel said, and by the way, 205 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: they are not messing around merit is correct. These people 206 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 2: are like, we will see you. I believe December eighteenth 207 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: is the day. Here's the day for everybody to file 208 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: all their paperwork leading. 209 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: Up to this. 210 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: Thank you, we're we are, we're deciding, and. 211 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 4: So there's no delayed tactics on twelve, eighteen twenty five. Correct, Nope, 212 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 4: it's that is the day. 213 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: Now what was interesting was that this three judge panel 214 00:10:53,880 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 2: basically said, look, the only thing we're deciding here is 215 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: about you signing this document and then the statements that 216 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: you made after that. That's what we're judging here. All 217 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: this other shenanigans over here, we don't have time for it. Yeah. Well, 218 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,599 Speaker 2: like I said these things, we can't say we understand 219 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: this your first Amendment, like none of that stuff matters. 220 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: You signed this and said these things, then you said 221 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: these things, and we got to decide what to do 222 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: with that. Now, I mean, there is like there is 223 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: a real change. And the State, by the way, there 224 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: was a there was an issue on this in front 225 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: of the State Supreme Court who will be the ultimate judge, jury, 226 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 2: and executioner on this in July, and they basically said 227 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: the same thing, like let's get going. They said, essentially, 228 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: we strongly encourage you to settle this. You don't want 229 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 2: us settling this. But I don't see Todd Roketa and 230 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: and this this panel has urged them to do mediation 231 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: as well, Raketa and the Disciplinary Commission. I don't see 232 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: Rokena doing mediation. 233 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: All I hope is that you know, if if I 234 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: ever got in trouble that I could go get a 235 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: mediator and they would. They would. 236 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 4: It doesn't strike me that you're talking about mediation. There's 237 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 4: no real middle ground here. 238 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: Either you did it or you didn't well, and that's 239 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I don't see Rogan when I sid 240 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 2: don't see him doing mediation. I don't see him going Okay, 241 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 2: I'll accept a one month suspension. And I don't see 242 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: how he's gonna weasel out of this because it appears 243 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: again I'm no, I'm no Ben Matlock over here. But 244 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: the statements he made to the court are in direct 245 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: contrast with the statements he made in the press release. 246 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: And so I don't I mean as straightforward as on 247 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: the State Supreme Court, but this three judge panel appeared 248 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 2: to be I don't see how he worms his way 249 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 2: out of this way. 250 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: And by the way too, he who maybe that's Todd calling. 251 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: You to let him let you know how he's gonna 252 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 2: worm his way out of it. 253 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 3: Uh No. I thought what I thought was interesting was 254 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: he he's he got by the skin of his teeth 255 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 3: the first time around, and that three to two decisions. 256 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 3: So the first disciplinary action. 257 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: Because two of the in the original agreement, the plea deal. 258 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: For lack of a better term than he made. Two 259 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 2: of the state Supreme Court judges were like this or 260 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,599 Speaker 2: appeared to say, this isn't strict enough. We think you 261 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: should get more. And it's it of just taking it. 262 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: Take that look qu adopted bullet, let's call it today. 263 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: He goes back and like, hey, I'm that good. I'll 264 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: double down again. 265 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 4: Well, also, this Supreme Court, uh will make tough decisions 266 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 4: and and uh, you're pushing Chief Rush and you don't 267 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 4: push her as well as you know occurs Hill is 268 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 4: a total different situation. That was personal. This is this 269 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 4: is public. But they're willing to make decisions that are 270 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 4: uh that overturning election that is a big decision to make, 271 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 4: no question about it. 272 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: Okay, here's the other thing that is now laughable. So 273 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: it came out, what this is a month or so ago, 274 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: so I'm sure it's higher than that. Now, this dude, 275 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: Rokeita has spent five hundred grand. Oh, you're low vaulting. 276 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: According to the he had a capital chronicle on legal defense. 277 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 2: So it's a joke to say, oh, I signed this 278 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: thing because I wanted to save the taxpayers a bunch 279 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 2: of money. But then he's racked up. I mean, he 280 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: could be a million dollars by the time they hear 281 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: this case and go through everything. So you don't get 282 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: to say, oh, I did this is the same the 283 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: taxer's money and then forth the taxers just spent all 284 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: this money defending you. 285 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 3: And that Now that also brings up another question, which 286 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 3: is you no, with toddra Keeda's behavior and actions. Was 287 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 3: he acting as attorney general or was he acting as 288 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 3: an individual because that's what determines way to get reimbursed, 289 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: you know, And and it brings up a whole nother 290 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 3: ball of act because if we Kena loses, yeah, I 291 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 3: could easily see somebody find the loss and say, hey, 292 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 3: I'm a taxpayer. I'm not putting the bill for this 293 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: in it go there? 294 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 4: Who if he does lose, who would actually have a 295 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 4: case a cause to say this was a personal situation? 296 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 4: U O? 297 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: Was this moneel Are you're feeling you feeling froggy? 298 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 3: I got I got five in the hopper right now? 299 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: Okay, so real quick, because we got to get onto 300 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: this stuff going on with the redistrict thing and the 301 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: and the poll that came out am I crazy to 302 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 2: think that there is actually a real I mean, it 303 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: seems like a bizarre world where they would because I 304 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: had said from the beginning, Oh, I don't think they're 305 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: gonna ring like in the end, they'll look at all 306 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: the people who voted for Rokid and they'll say, we're 307 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: not taken away. We can't you know, Fatimore, Will we 308 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 2: take away their vote? I don't know now. I look, 309 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: I'm totally biased on this. I think the guy's a 310 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: complete buffoon and he has no business being in that position. 311 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: But you guys know, from the beginning I've said, I 312 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: don't think they'll take away all the people's votes. I 313 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: don't know now what. 314 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: They've done it before, unscrewing around. 315 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 5: They've done it before, and it could happen again. 316 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 4: And uh, this is serious business and and there are 317 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 4: so many eyes watching this in the legal uh, in 318 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 4: the legal community, that they're gonna have to make a 319 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 4: decision and defend it and that and that and that's 320 00:15:58,920 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 4: that's big. 321 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: Time and and and to get to Jim's point, when 322 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 3: judges are disciplined and prosecutors are disciplined and they lose 323 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: their law license they were voted for and they were elected, 324 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: they were elected in those county or you know, judicial 325 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 3: circuit votes are being taken away, so to speak. 326 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 4: In the legislature, he's helpless in that regard. You know, 327 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 4: he has a lot of friends in the legislature and 328 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 4: a lot of enemies. But they they they're feckless. They 329 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 4: can't do anything about this. 330 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 3: And Tim Rakita would not be the hill I'd want 331 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 3: to die off. 332 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so you think about you've got we talked 333 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: at this yesterday on air, think about your two, three 334 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: and four in the Indiana state government and Bronze's own thing. 335 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: But you got Rakita who could lose his law license. 336 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: You got the Lieutenant governor who cor to multiple sources, 337 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: including you, there's a grand jury looking into them, and 338 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: the Mari County Prosecutor's offices looking into their office. And 339 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: then you got grifters r Us mister Morales and the 340 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: Secretary of State position and all the things that are 341 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: you know, going on with him. I mean, what a 342 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: horrible stain these three collectively are. But yet the Democrats 343 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: are so nuts that people are like, well, I guess 344 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: we'll just take this buffoonery over the Democrats. I mean, 345 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: if you're the Democrat, right, don't you have to look 346 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 2: at yourself at the mirror. 347 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 3: Go what's going on with us? If you've if you're 348 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: the Democrats, yes, you can point out you know the Foil, 349 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 3: the Foibles, and you know Raketa and through Diego and 350 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 3: the Hold nine Yards and Micah. However, you can't beat 351 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 3: something with nothing right. It's like, Okay, they've proven that. 352 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 3: It's not how convinced my wife. It's how convince my 353 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 3: wife to marry me. It's like, okay, honey, that guy, 354 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: he's a jerk. 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Yesterday to meet with President Trump's administration. 387 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 2: Now we know they met with Vance, the Vice president. 388 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: There's some confusion on where they met with Trump or not. 389 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 2: I think he may have just met with the leadership. 390 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 3: I think he just met with Sinner Bray and Speaker Houston. 391 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: Okay, but and this is all about redistrict. Now, they 392 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 2: talked about other things, right, but it was so funny. 393 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: They were like, we're not going to be looking about redistricting, 394 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: and then clearly they talked about redistricting. Like that's why 395 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 2: you went. You can't get an honest answer out of 396 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: these people. 397 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 3: You know. 398 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 2: Ever, it seems like but anyway, a new boll came out. 399 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: You put this up at Indie politics dot org. India 400 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 2: Capitol Chronicle covered it as well from Change Research. Now 401 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: you know those people, right, have you used them before? 402 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: I use them about like maybe six seven years ago. Okay, 403 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: they did a poll they claimed one six hundred and 404 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: sixty two registered voters in this poll, and fifty two 405 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 2: percent of the people opposed the idea of redistricting, while 406 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: just thirty four percent support it. My gut instinct is 407 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: that that's probably pretty accurate. I don't think most people 408 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 2: care at all about this. What say you, guys? 409 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 3: As somebody who is actually getting ready to do some 410 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: polling later this fall, once I get some some things 411 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 3: in a row, that's one thing we're going to be 412 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 3: asking about, is the redistricting question. But it doesn't It 413 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 3: doesn't surprise me, because the thing is why why do 414 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 3: you need to do this? And and what's what's the 415 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 3: what's the logic? What's the rationale if you just did it, 416 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 3: you know, five six years ago? And why why why 417 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 3: do you do this again? And Republicans cannot give a 418 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 3: solid answer. Well, we do it because the Democrats did it. Yeah, 419 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 3: and you talk to me about your TPS report, I mean, 420 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: help help me out here, because it doesn't make any sense. 421 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 3: And this excuse said, well Elloyd did it. Well, Eldoy 422 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: also doesn't have school vouchers or or right to work, 423 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 3: so should we do that too? Because ELLINOI didn't do it? 424 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: That and to me that's the problem with all this. 425 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: What about is well, sure, and you hit on something, 426 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: which is the poll. According to this poll, sixty percent 427 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 2: respondence rated inflation among their top three priorities. Only seven 428 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: percent said that redrawing the legislative maps was the top priority. 429 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: So that's why I give some credence to this. Like 430 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 2: I do think sixty percent of the people Jim are like, hey, 431 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: stops too expensive. Why don't you focus on that? 432 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 5: I think that's the case. 433 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 4: And as well as Representative ed Claire, I said this, 434 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,719 Speaker 4: I'm not sure if it was last week or not, 435 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 4: but on some in some venue I said, well, are 436 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 4: they going to redraw the legislative district? 437 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 5: As well? And Representative A. 438 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 4: Claire gave that quote to somebody Indiana Capitol Chronicle or 439 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 4: maybe said somewhere you know. 440 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: Plagiarism is the greatest form of flattery. 441 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 4: Well, the bottom line is is that is a legitimate 442 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 4: question if you if you're redrawing the the congressional maps, 443 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 4: are you're going to redraw the legislative maps. 444 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 3: They can't withdraw because that has been done when the 445 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 3: year that ends and won after the census. But the 446 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 3: congression maps they can do almost any time. Well, but 447 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 3: real quick, I was trying to give you credit. I 448 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 3: can't believe the first time in your life if you 449 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 3: would shut up to somebody credit. I think people are 450 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: looking at this saying it's a. 451 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: Wholly political act. At least Texas can get creative and say, well, 452 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: we had five million people move into the state, so 453 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 2: you know, the the numbers are off or whatever. This 454 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 2: is a wholly political function. And they're not even they 455 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 2: can't even come up with an excuse. They're just like, yeah, 456 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 2: Democrats did it, so we're doing it too. It And 457 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: I think people. 458 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 4: Attorney General Rakeita said that undocumented undocumented immigrants were counted 459 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 4: last time. 460 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 3: The course that because because the census, the rules are clear. 461 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 3: The census says persons, it doesn't say citizens. They already 462 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 3: adjudicated this in the court. Now the court has changed. 463 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 2: I think that think what Ruth Bader Ginsburg is no 464 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: longer with us, and Cony Barrett's in her place, maybe 465 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 2: the court would rule differently, but it's already been like 466 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you don't have to like it, but it's 467 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: the way it is. 468 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 3: If you're if you're a strict constructionist, you know which 469 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 3: all these people said, everybodys strict contructions until they're not 470 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 3: and and and and the concert says you count the people, period, 471 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 3: doesn't say citizens, it doesn't say whatever. They doesn't say 472 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 3: green carts a citizen, says count the people who are 473 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: in the district. Period. 474 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 2: Yeah. And this I mean, like, I think the bigger 475 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 2: thing here and what because there's some people that are 476 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 2: such Republican homers that they're gonna be for it no 477 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 2: matter what, Okay, whatever, But the I think the regular 478 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: people go, wait a second, you're doing all of this 479 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: to pick up a seat in Congress, and you wouldn't 480 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 2: help us with property taxes or utility bills. Now, I mean, 481 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: we're seeing all these things that are really hurting people 482 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: and you will do nothing. But yet when it comes 483 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 2: to helping your party pick up a seat in Congress, 484 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: you'll do like. 485 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 4: And this is gonna take time. This is gonna take 486 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 4: a lot of time. And uh, the maps probably are 487 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 4: already have been drafted redone. Uh. But but to do 488 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 4: it right, they're gonna have to have hearings and they're 489 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 4: gonna have to take uh, it's gonna have to be transparent. 490 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 4: They're gonna have to test that. 491 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 2: Jim, what plann are you? You're such an altruistic guy. 492 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: I love you. They're not gonna do any of that. 493 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: They're gonna show up and vote. They should. Somebody wrote 494 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 2: an article about that the other day, or somebody in 495 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: an article I think it was a Capital Chronicle had 496 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: an article in some election attorney or whatever was talking 497 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 2: about this, saying, well, they should do like they do 498 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: every ten years, or they should crisscross the state and 499 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 2: hear testimony. 500 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm a process person, and I and I 501 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 4: and I support the legislative process, and and and maybe 502 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 4: it's just my naivete, but I think they think they 503 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 4: ought to take. 504 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 2: Public test Well, they should, but they're not going to well. 505 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 4: And and that's what's wrong with this is that there's 506 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 4: not a hue and cry uh and legislators who are 507 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 4: quoted on Twitter and Indie Indiana Capital. And what they 508 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 4: ought to do is be quiet and say if the 509 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 4: governor calls us in decision, we will act. Leave it 510 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 4: to Houston, leave it to Braid to make the decisions. 511 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 4: And people are trying to in the switch. I am 512 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 4: so disappointed in representing Jim Lucas I started building something 513 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 4: disappoint really, you know, he he makes his comic Craig 514 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 4: Haggard represented. They make these big comments about this shouldn't happen, 515 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, somebody gives them a 516 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 4: phone call or something, and all of a sudden they're 517 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 4: completely different. 518 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 2: John Mellencamp did an album in the early nineteen eighties 519 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 2: called I think it was called Nothing Mattered and What 520 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: If It Did? And then these guys recognize that now 521 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: they recognize they can lie, they can change their story. 522 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 2: They I mean, Jim Lucas drove drunk, blew through a barricade, 523 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: fled the scene, tried to hide his car, got cute 524 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 2: with the cops, and what happened He got reelected? So 525 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: what is him? Eric was changing his mind on redistricting, 526 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: going to do these guys no, because they've so jerrymandered 527 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: the districts that the only way they're going down, most 528 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: of them, is if they get squarely with the leadership 529 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 2: and go down in a primary. So who cares. They'll 530 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: lie to you, they'll deceive you, they'll do whatever. 531 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 3: They don't care, It doesn't matter. I don't mind a 532 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: politician changing his or her mind, but just don't bs me. 533 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 3: It's one thing like, hey, this is my original position, 534 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 3: I got new facts. The effects have changed. Okay, I've 535 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 3: adopted my position because that's what that's what you do. 536 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 3: It's one thing. They're like, well I'm against them against it. 537 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 3: Oh he I can get this in my district. Okay, 538 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 3: now I'm for it. Well, because that's what's happened. What's 539 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,959 Speaker 3: happened is it's been the carried and the stick approach 540 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 3: is what it was. And by the way, this all 541 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 3: be in today's Chief Sheet that's coming out yes yesterday, 542 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 3: Happy Wednesday. Everybody is hey you you want this? Hey 543 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 3: we got to this USDA facility moving Indiana. Oh whoops, 544 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: that could change, but or you get a primary opponent. 545 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 4: Is one to be Congressman Haggard going to be in 546 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 4: Jefferson Shreves district? Is it going to be in Congressman 547 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 4: Carson's district? Is he going to be in Congressman Baird's district? 548 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 4: He must have seen a. 549 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 3: Map playing district for that matter. 550 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he he must have seen a map that 551 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 4: that that he likes, that he's going to be in 552 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 4: that he can run in next time because his full 553 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 4: speed ahead in his congressional run in twenty twenty six. 554 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 2: And we got to hear about thirty seconds left, so 555 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: real quick, this is why people don't vote. They're admitting 556 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 2: the vote doesn't matter. 557 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 4: Yes, you want to belong, continue to lose confidence, Abdul. 558 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 3: Final thoughts in this Chief in the next chief thing 559 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 3: will be out later today. As we record this program. 560 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 3: I'm basically looking at the legal aspects of this, what 561 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 3: the what the players will argue, what they will argue, 562 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 3: and what the court will likely come up with. 563 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: This is in roketa or this is the maps. 564 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 3: This is the maps. 565 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, very good you guys, wonderful as always, Thank 566 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 2: you you always have seed all audience expectations. 567 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 3: Stay tuned. 568 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm doctor Jim Dalton, President and CEO of Daymar Deaymar 569 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: is a critical resource for thousands of people in Central Indiana, 570 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: and it takes people like you to give them hope. 571 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: With over thirteen hundred employees and hundreds of volunteers, Daymar 572 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: is always looking for people to come aboard. 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