1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: A new year and on the horizon of blossoming romance awaits. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: It is an undeniable fact that love knows no age 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: or timeline and can happen at any stage of a 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: person's life. In this episode, we will unravel the intriguing 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: story of Andre Brown, a fifty five year old veteran 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: known for his adventurous and fun loving spirit. What happens 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: when love becomes fatal? This is the Fatal Attraction podcast 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: with Fool Me Twice. 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: They were two free spirits who had finally found happiness. 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 3: They seemed like they were in love. 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: This could have been a fair time ending until a 12 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: horrifying crime robbed them of their happily. Ever after. 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 4: Not the old hymph money set fantom it went through 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 4: his order. 15 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 5: There was substantial internal bleeding. 16 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 6: Un president to come right now. 17 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: Police moved quickly to apprehend the killer. 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 7: She could id the suspect. 19 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 6: The textis have probable cause for the arrest. 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 4: This was a straightforward homicide case, open a hut. 21 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: But do they have the wrong man? 22 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 6: She was concerned she had read it him out. 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 8: Your story's not adding up. 24 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 3: Everything was becoming a red flag. 25 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: As the investigation unfolds, there will be a new twist 26 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: around every turn. 27 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 5: The magnitude of the dishonesty in this case was truly astounded. 28 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 4: What started out so simple became a web of lies 29 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 4: Like what the hell happened? 30 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: January two, twenty seventeen. It's the day after New Year's 31 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: in Des Moines, Iowa, a modest Midwestern city of two 32 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: hundred thousand. 33 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: It's a great place to live. You know, you have 34 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 4: the conveniences of a large city, but it really does 35 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 4: still feel like a small community. 36 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 9: You can still get to know your neighbors, walk around 37 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 9: at night, and I have to worry about crime, but. 38 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: No city is entirely safe. At two point thirty that afternoon, 39 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: a Des Moines emergency operator receives an urgent nine one 40 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: one call. 41 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 5: The woman making the call and reported that her living 42 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 5: boyfriend had been stabbed and she needed an ambulance. 43 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 10: He's an argument is only would have gotten stabbed? 44 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: Char Okay, where's the person that stabbed him? 45 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 7: At He's gone. 46 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: The victim is fifty five year old Andre Brown. 47 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: Is he breathing? 48 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 10: He's not going any. 49 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 4: He's like it all over him. 50 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 2: The frantic woman on the phone is fifty two year 51 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: old Helen Fraser Cone right now. Thank the emergency dispatcher 52 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: contacts first responders. 53 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 5: Both police officers and an ambulances dispatched to the. 54 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: Scene within minutes. 55 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 11: The first officer arrived, she could hear someone in the 56 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 11: doorway saying in here, I'm in here. 57 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: Just past the living room, the officer finds Helen kneeling 58 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: next to Andrea. 59 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 7: The officer began to ask where the suspect was. 60 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 12: Helen told her that he had ran out the door, 61 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 12: so at that point she just decided to render aid 62 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 12: to the victim. 63 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: But has help arrived too late. 64 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 4: They in shape CPR. The officer noticed that, you know, 65 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 4: he's gone, like she knew that he was dead. 66 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: Chicago native Andre Bred never shied away from adventure. 67 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 4: Andre Brown was a veteran. He had been on a 68 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 4: marine opening now. 69 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 8: He went all over the place. He did a lot 70 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 8: of traveling. 71 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: Andre stayed on the move once he left the service, too. 72 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 7: Never liked staying in one place for too long. 73 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 11: He would get antsy if he stated a job too long. 74 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 11: Andre always liked new adventures. 75 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 2: And Andrea more than anything, loved the ladies. 76 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 7: Andre was a bit of a lady's man. 77 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 4: You know. 78 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 7: He never settled down, he. 79 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 8: Would be in relationships. But Andre just did not want 80 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 8: to marry anybody. I think he felt like it was 81 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 8: going to constrain him. He loved to joke around and 82 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 8: make everyone in the room laugh. He just loved to 83 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 8: have fun, loved to dance. Let him get a couple 84 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,239 Speaker 8: of beers in he was on the floor dancing. 85 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: After years of drifting from job to job, woman to woman, 86 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: in town to town, Andrea eventually settled in Des Moines, Iowa. 87 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 7: A lot of people migrate from Chicago to the morning. 88 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 8: He just felt free in Iowa. You know nobody's moving. 89 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: Andrea got a job, bought a house, and settled into 90 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: a quiet life. 91 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 8: Andre being a vet, he was able to get the 92 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 8: veterans to help him. 93 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 12: His most recent job was working at a factory. He 94 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 12: was actually promoted to a supervisor position. 95 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 2: He found a local bar where he could hang out 96 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: with friends after work. But there was something missing from 97 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 2: his life. 98 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 8: He had a girlfriend and they seemed to be in 99 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 8: a good relationship, and then next thing I knew they 100 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 8: were not in a relationship. 101 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 2: In October of twenty sixteen, Andre seemed to rebound when 102 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: he began dating fifty two year old Helen Fraser. Like Andrea, 103 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: Helen was originally from Chicago, but had lived in Des 104 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: Moines for years, raised three sons, and had recently become 105 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: I'm a grandmother. 106 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 11: Helen adored her grandson. She loved playing with him, fussing 107 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 11: over him. She would go into full grandmother mode whenever 108 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 11: she saw him. 109 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: However, the dude and grandmother had also known hard times. 110 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 12: Helen didn't have an easy life. She didn't really have stability. 111 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 12: She had substance abuse, mainly alcohol, and you know, just 112 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 12: when her life seemed like it was getting better, those 113 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 12: demons always crept up to on her and she ended up. 114 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 7: On the street. 115 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: In fact, when Helen first met Andrea, she was living 116 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: in a homeless shelter. 117 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 8: He told her, when you come to stay with men 118 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 8: til you get yourself together. 119 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: Andrea's no strings attached off her was a token of 120 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 2: sympathy for Helen's situation. 121 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 8: He considered her a friend and he was helping out 122 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 8: a friend. It was in a bad situation, but it. 123 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: Didn't take long before the friendship took a more romantic turn. 124 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 7: Helen moves in with Andre and soon after that become 125 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 7: more than just friends. They were falling in love with 126 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 7: each other. 127 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: Andre's family was glad that he'd found someone. 128 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 8: He said she was cool. He said she was a 129 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 8: nice person. She liked to cook, and Andre loved to eat. 130 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: Helen told them that she was going to do more 131 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: than keep Andre well fed. 132 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 11: She also joked with the family that she was going 133 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 11: to keep Andre out of trouble. 134 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 12: Helen doated on Andre, She cooked clean, and they both 135 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 12: provided a stability that they had never known before. 136 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: But as the new year begins, their blossoming romance is 137 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: shattered by a horrific crime. 138 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 4: Please ma'am would come. 139 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 9: On the afternoon of January second, Helen cast nine one 140 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 9: one to report, are having staff O my guys. 141 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 4: First responders were able to get to the scene, and 142 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 4: relatively they found Andre on the ground on his back, 143 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 4: and they saw Eleen right. 144 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 12: The officer began to do chest compressions just to get 145 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 12: the blood flowing until the medics arrived. 146 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: Despite her efforts, Andre remains unresponsive. 147 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 3: It was clear to her that he was already did. 148 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 5: The first officer asking where did the suspect go? Helen 149 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 5: tells her immediately that he left. 150 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: But identifying their suspect won't be a problem. 151 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 6: Hellen was able to give the police a good physical description. 152 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 4: She said he fled the area with the knife. So 153 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 4: at this point the police know that somebody they need 154 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 4: to get off the streets. 155 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: Stay tuned as we navigate through the unpredictable twists and 156 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: turns of this staggering episode. 157 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: At the beginning of twenty seventeen, it looked as if 158 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 2: Helen Fraser had finally found lasting love and stability with 159 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: fifty five year old Andre Brown. 160 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 7: Helen was really affectionate with Andrea around her family, seemed 161 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 7: to be head over heels in love with each other. 162 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 11: They were having a good time and their relationship was 163 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 11: only getting stronger. 164 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: Now, on January second, less than forty eight hours into 165 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 2: the new year, a terrible crime has left the couple's 166 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: happiness in ruins. 167 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 3: Andre Brown has been stabbed. 168 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: Helen calls nine to one to one and police and 169 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 2: an ambulance rushed to the scene. 170 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 4: First responders arrived and they initiated first aid. 171 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 5: Andre had essentially one injury and it was a six 172 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 5: inch deep stab wound to his right upper chest. Path 173 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 5: of the knife cut through a lung, cut through his 174 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 5: orda and Andrea suffered a substantial amount of internal bleeding. 175 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: Unable to revive the victim at the scene, EMTs transport 176 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: him to the nearest emergency room. 177 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 4: They brought him to the hospital, where he was pronounced dead. 178 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: With the case officially a homicide, police at the scene 179 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: shift their priority to finding the man who stabbed him. 180 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: Andrea's girlfriend, Helen Frasier, has given them a description. 181 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 12: When the officer arrived, Helen had told her that the 182 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 12: sailin just ran out the door shortly after stabbing Andrea. 183 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 5: She was able to describe him, including the clothing he 184 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 5: was wearing. 185 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: While patrol officers search the surrounding area for the suspect, 186 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 2: homicide detectives arrive and begin their investigation. 187 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 5: The scene was unusually clean or a stabbing because most 188 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 5: of Andrea Brown's bleeding had been internal bleeding. 189 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: Everything in the house looks normal. 190 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 10: There was food on the stove in the oven, and 191 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 10: there was a sink full of dirty dishes. 192 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 2: And investigators find no obvious murder weapon. 193 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 5: They'll search a murder scene looking for whatever weapons are there, 194 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 5: and in a stabbing case, they're particularly interested in knives. 195 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 4: They do take all of the knives from the drawers 196 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 4: in the kitchen one submerged in water in the ski 197 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 4: glatorm for processing. 198 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: Then, after looking over the scene, detectives head back to 199 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: the station to interview the sole witness to the crime. 200 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 6: Helen Fraser, was already there. 201 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 10: Patrol officers had already taken her there to get a 202 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 10: statement from her. 203 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,599 Speaker 4: So they need to get her in a row and 204 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 4: really develop as much as possible about what she saw 205 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 4: in her So this is a critical part of this investigation. 206 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 2: So critical that detectives decide not to tell her that 207 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 2: Andre is dead. 208 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 13: Have you heard anything about Andre? 209 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 7: Is he gonna make it? 210 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 3: All we know is that they're at the hospital now, 211 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 3: and as soon as we hear something, we'll let you know. 212 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 10: They wanted to get as much information out of her 213 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 10: as they could without her shutting down if she knew 214 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 10: Andre had died. 215 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 2: The detectives begin by asking Helen about her relationship with Andre. 216 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: How long have you known Andre? 217 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 13: Well, we met back in October and we recently moved 218 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 13: in together and we were planning on getting married. 219 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 8: She told the police that Andre was her fiance. 220 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 7: They were in love with each other. 221 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: Turning to the events leading up to the murder, Helen 222 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: tells detectives. She'd spent most of the morning in the kitchen. 223 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 4: She had been cooking food for a gathering that they 224 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 4: were going to have later today. 225 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 5: She and Andre were intending to go visit her family. 226 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 4: I found like a pan of corn bread in the 227 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 4: kitchen that looked like she may have been prepared. 228 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: Helen says that while she was working in the kitchen, 229 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: Andre ran a quick errand Andre had gone on. 230 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 4: To the nearby gas station and had bought some beer 231 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 4: and then came back. 232 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: Shortly after Andre returned, a man named Oscar Evans knocked 233 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: on the couple's door. 234 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 6: Oscar was a homeless man who was in his seventies. 235 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 3: Oscar Evans was supposedly a friend of Andrea's. 236 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: Although according to Helen, that didn't mean Andre was happy 237 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: to see him. 238 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 10: Oscar owed Andre money, and Andre had been upset about 239 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 10: that in the past, so the two of them went 240 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 10: out to the front force to discuss the matter outside 241 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 10: of Helen's gearshot. 242 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: Helen says that Andre and Oscar moved back inside as 243 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: the discussion turned into an argument. 244 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 5: That argument was over a debt, an eight dollars debt, 245 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 5: and the coat that belonged to Helen. 246 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 8: This guy had borrowed a coat and Andre got on 247 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 8: him about bringing the coat back. 248 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 12: Helen said that she was in the kitchen cooking, but 249 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 12: she could hear the two men arguing in the other room. 250 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 6: Did you see what happened? 251 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 13: No, I just heard him arguing and then I heard 252 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 13: her really loud the. 253 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 3: She says she actually didn't see the stabbing. 254 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 2: Next, Helen says she went to the dining room to 255 00:13:58,720 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 2: see what was going on. 256 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 7: She said that she could see Andrey lying on the ground. 257 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: She also claims she saw Oscar Evans. 258 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 13: I saw him run out the door. 259 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 6: Did you get a good look at what he was wearing? 260 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 13: Yes, he had on a white shirt, a blue jacket, 261 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,599 Speaker 13: a black beanie, and he still had the knife in 262 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 13: his hand. 263 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: Once detectives have Helen's statement, their next step is clear. 264 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 6: The police needed to look for this Oscar Evans guy, and. 265 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 4: There actually is a witness whew the suspect and couldn't 266 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 4: identify him. 267 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 6: They're thinking, Okay, this is gonna be a slam ductor. 268 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: Stay tuned as we navigate through the unpredictable twists and 269 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: turns of this staggering episode. 270 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: An hour after calling nine to one one. Helen Fraser 271 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: has identified the man who stabbed her boyfriend Andre Brown 272 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: in the couple's des Moines, Iowa home. 273 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 14: According to Helen, Andre's killer was a homeless man named Oscar. 274 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: Evans, but Helen says that while Oscar and Andre were friends, 275 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: they had an argument that day over money that Oscar 276 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: had borrowed and never repaid. 277 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 5: She described a conversation between the two men. She described 278 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 5: hearing Andre's body hit the floor and seeing the suspect 279 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 5: just as he was leaving after the stabbing. 280 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: Once Helen names Oscar Evans as the suspect, detectives confirm 281 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: his identity. 282 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 12: The officers showed a picture just to make sure that 283 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 12: you know it's the same person that Helen claimed, you know, 284 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 12: committed the crime. 285 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 7: Is this the man that you saw in your house 286 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 7: this morning? 287 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 13: Yes, that's him. 288 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: With the suspect identified, detectives finally reveal what they'd been 289 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: keeping from Helen, the truth about Andre's status. 290 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 10: Andre said through with law enforcement. Helen had no idea 291 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 10: that Andre had died. They waited till the very end 292 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 10: of the interview to let her know that he had 293 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 10: passed away. 294 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: The news hits Helen hard. 295 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 6: She was extremely distraught in crying. 296 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: After the interview, the detectives drive Helen to her son's house. 297 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 10: Helen clearly could not go back home because her house 298 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 10: at that point was an active crime son. 299 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: After dropping Helen off, detectives reach out to Andre's family 300 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: with news of his death. 301 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 8: My brother, my twin came and knocked on my door screaming, 302 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 8: Andre is dead. Are you sure he was? Like some 303 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 8: dude came by the house and killed and Andre. 304 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: The detectives are sure Andre's family It's only a matter 305 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 2: of time before they have Andre's killer in custody. 306 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 14: When she identified Oscar as a suspect, police put out 307 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 14: an APB to inform all their officers that they needed 308 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 14: to find this man. 309 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: However, tracking Oscar down isn't easy. 310 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 10: Oscar was homeless, so even when they were able to 311 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 10: ascertain past the dresses, they were still having a difficult 312 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 10: time being able to locate him. 313 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 2: Detectives combed the city looking for their suspect. 314 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 5: It took about twenty four hours, but they found him 315 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 5: at a nearby scoop. 316 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: Kitchen brought into the station for questioning. Oscar doesn't deny 317 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 2: knowing Andre and Helen. 318 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 5: He had actually stayed at Andre's house for a couple 319 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 5: of days earlier that fall in October of twenty sixteen, 320 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 5: so he knew both Andrea and he knew Helen. 321 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 12: I needed a place to stay a couple of months back, 322 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 12: and Andre let me crashed his. 323 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 6: Place for a couple of days. 324 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 8: Let him come and stay with him. Loan the money close? 325 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 8: You know, that was Andre. If he had it and 326 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 8: you needed it, he'd give it to you. 327 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,479 Speaker 2: Oscar admits that he had borrowed money from Andrea. 328 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 10: Oscar told the police that he and Andrea would lend 329 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 10: each other money from time to time and neither thought 330 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 10: much of it. 331 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 7: What's this all about? 332 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 6: It was only a couple of dollars. 333 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: When detectives tell Oscar that they're investigating Andre's murder, he 334 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: appears shocked by the news. 335 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 6: What Oscar actually seemed surprised that Andre had died. He 336 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 6: had not heard that information. 337 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 2: Oscar appears even more confused when detectives tell him a 338 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 2: witness has identified him as Andrea's killer. 339 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 6: No way, I would never heard Andre. 340 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 4: He denied that you was the personal stabbed Andre. 341 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 2: Oscar also denies even being at Andre's house the day 342 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: he was killed. Claiming he spent the whole day at 343 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 2: a local motel. 344 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 5: He got a check at the end of the month 345 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 5: and was able to stay at a motel. 346 00:18:59,280 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 6: For a few days. 347 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 10: The only time he had left that day was either 348 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 10: to go to a grocery store or a convenience store 349 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 10: that was adjacent. 350 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 6: To where he was residing. 351 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 4: Anybody there. 352 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: When detectives ask if there's anyone who can verify his 353 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: whereabouts at the time of the murder, Oscar suddenly comes 354 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: up short. 355 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 6: I was alone. I swear I did not kill Andrea. 356 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 5: He stayed in that motel room by himself, so he 357 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 5: really didn't have any alibi witnesses that could corroborate where 358 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 5: he was. 359 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 2: The lack of an alibi isn't the only reason detectives 360 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 2: doubt Oscars story. 361 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 10: The police did notice that the clothing that Oscar was 362 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 10: wearing was very similar to the clothing that Helen had described. 363 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 5: Despite the suspects denials, we had an eyewitness the saw 364 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 5: that he was responsible for the death of Andre Brown. 365 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 10: For this point, the police consulted with the local district 366 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 10: attorney's office and they decided to charge Oscar Evans with 367 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 10: first degree murder. 368 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: The detectives have made an arrest, but their investigation is 369 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: just beginning. 370 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 10: Some might assume that once Oscar's arrested, the work is done, 371 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 10: but that's far from truth. 372 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 2: Is this case closed or will new evidence turn the 373 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 2: investigation upside down? 374 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 4: What initially appears to be a to their cutcase was 375 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 4: not their cut at all. 376 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 14: All of a sudden, detectives have had this Brench girl 377 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 14: at them, and they're wondering what's. 378 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 8: Going on here. 379 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: Stay tuned as we navigate through the unpredictable twists and 380 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: turns of this staggering episode. 381 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: Less than forty eight hours after the murder of Andre Brown, 382 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: detectives have a suspect in custody, seventy three year old 383 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 2: Oscar Evans. 384 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 5: The case looked very strong given an eyewitness naming a suspect. 385 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 2: Andre's girlfriend, fifty two year old Helen Fraser, made the identification. 386 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 10: The entire basis for Oscar Evans being charged with murder 387 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 10: was Helen's very detailed and consistent testimony. 388 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 2: However, even though an arrest has been made, the detective's 389 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: work is far from over. 390 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 10: It's at that point that law enforcement must go forth 391 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 10: and find evidence that would corroborate the detailed account that 392 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 10: Helen had provided to them. 393 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: Detectives begin by going door to door in Andrea and 394 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 2: Helen's neighborhood. 395 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 5: They went to nearby businesses to look for security footage 396 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 5: that would show the suspect in the area heading toward 397 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 5: Andre's house. 398 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 6: Oscar didn't have a car, so he walked everywhere, but. 399 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: The canvas comes up empty. 400 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 14: None of the neighbors detectives talked to werecalled seeing Oscar 401 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 14: in the area that afternoon. 402 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 2: Detectives also strike out with the security video. 403 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 5: Well, they obtained that security footage, there was no sign 404 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 5: of the suspect going to or from Andre's house. 405 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 10: The detectives could not find any evidence that would conduct 406 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 10: Oscar to the. 407 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 6: Scene of the murder. 408 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: Well, is it possible Helen made a mistake when she 409 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: identified Oscar as the killer? 410 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 14: According to her statement, she was in the kitchen the 411 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 14: entire time leading up to the murder. 412 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: If Helen had witnessed a crime, why was there no 413 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 2: other evidence of Oscar being there. 414 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 10: It's clear to detectives that they need to speak to 415 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 10: Helen again because they found no evidence to could corroborate 416 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 10: the story that she gave them on. 417 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: The day of the crime, hoping they missed something. The 418 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: first time, detectives bring Helen in for a second statement. 419 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 5: They confronted her with the fact that security cameras didn't 420 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 5: show the suspect coming or going to the house. 421 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 4: She totally changes her story at that. 422 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 14: Helen, we need you to tell us what really happened 423 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 14: the day that Andre was staffed. 424 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm sorry. It was an Oscar that came 425 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 2: to the house that day. 426 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 10: She admitted that he had nothing to do with Helen 427 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 10: then pointed the finger of blame at Duke Kinnes. 428 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 7: It was Duke. 429 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 2: According to Helen, it was Duke Hines, not Oscar Evans 430 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: who'd come to the house that afternoon. 431 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 5: The story number two from Helen was that Andrea had 432 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 5: returned home with this second suspect. She claimed that Andrea 433 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 5: and the second suspect had gone upstairs to smoke the 434 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 5: cracked cocaine. She knew that, she said, because she could 435 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 5: smell it. 436 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: Once again, Helen says that an argument ensued. 437 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 4: She's now saying that wasn't this disagreement over the eight dollars, 438 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 4: It was now some sort of drug dealing. 439 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 13: They came to the house together Andrea and Duke. They 440 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 13: went upstairs, and the next thing I know is I 441 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 13: hear Duke accusing Andrea of stealing from her. 442 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 9: Helen says that she could hear the two men shouting upstairs. 443 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: But this time, Helen says it was Andre who escalated 444 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 2: the situation. 445 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 6: Andre then went down to the kitchen and armed himself 446 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 6: with a knife. 447 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 2: He wasn't gonna hurt Duke. 448 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 13: He was just trying to scare him to get him 449 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 13: to leave. 450 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 2: According to Helen, when Andre confronted Duke, his plan went 451 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: horribly wrong. 452 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 6: Duke took the knife from Andrea and stabbed him. 453 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 5: The two men struggle, and, according to Helen's suspect number 454 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 5: two quickly disarms Andrea, stabs him, throws the knife in 455 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 5: the sink, and leaves the house. 456 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 4: That's the first time that we hear that this knife 457 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 4: that was found in the sink was the murder. Actor. 458 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 2: Horrified that they've arrested the wrong man, detectives asked Helen 459 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: why she tried to pin the murder on Oscar. 460 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 13: I was afraid of what Duke might do to me 461 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 13: if I told you all the truth. 462 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 6: Helen was desperate. 463 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 9: She was really nervous about what would happen if Duke 464 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 9: found out she was talking to the police. 465 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 2: But she had to tell the something, so she blamed 466 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: Andre's death on Oscar Evans. 467 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 5: She explained that he had been disrespectful toward her in 468 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 5: the past and had, in fact, she claimed, stolen a 469 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 5: coat from her, so she was trying to get back 470 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 5: at him. 471 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: She now says she's sorry she did it. 472 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 5: He was sitting in jail at the time she was 473 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 5: speaking those words. As Helen's interview was still taking place. 474 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 5: Police left the room, contacted our office and had us 475 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 5: start the process of dismissing the charges. 476 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 4: County Ettriney's office dismissed the case, got him. 477 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 6: Out of jail. 478 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 2: With Oscar Evans cleared, detectives began searching for their new suspect. 479 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 10: They were able to ascertain that there were two living 480 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 10: in Des Moines, but the one Duke Kinds, was living 481 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 10: only a few blocks away from Andre and Helen's house, 482 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 10: so they pretty much figured that that had to be 483 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 10: the individual that she was talking about. 484 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 2: Brought in for questioning, Duke is initially reluctant to talk. 485 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 14: He didn't want to get framed or railroaded. For a 486 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 14: crime he didn't commit. 487 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 4: How do you know Andre Brown? With Helen Fraser. 488 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: Pressed by detectives, Duke denies having any contact with Helen 489 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: or Andre, much less coming to their house. 490 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 7: I mean, I've seen them around town, but I wouldn't 491 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 7: say I know them. 492 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 2: Duke claims to know even less about Andre's murder. In fact, 493 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 2: he tells detectives he wasn't even in town when the 494 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 2: murder occurred. 495 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 3: Where were you the afternoon of January twod I drive 496 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 3: a truck? 497 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 7: I was out of town that day. 498 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 5: He was the truck driver that was actually on the 499 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 5: road gasping up his rig at about the time of 500 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 5: the stabbing. 501 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 7: You can check my truck lags. 502 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 2: When detectives contact the trucking company, they learned Duke's story 503 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 2: holds up. 504 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 10: Some of the evidence that the police found. There was 505 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 10: no way the Duke could have been at the house. 506 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 2: Helen Fraser has twice identified a suspect in the murder 507 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: of Andre Brown, and investigators have established that neither of 508 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 2: the men were involved in the crime, which tells detectives 509 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: one thing, something's up, something that's not right. 510 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 6: Helen had to be hiding something. 511 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: In the aftermath of her boyfriend Andre Brown's death. Fifty 512 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 2: two year old Helen Fraser has falsely accused two different 513 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: men of his murder. 514 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 14: Detectives even arrested one of them, Oscar Evans, who sat 515 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 14: in jail for several days, on murder charges. 516 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 2: The second man Helen accused of the crime was a 517 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 2: truck driver named Duke Hines. 518 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 10: Duke provided the police in Alibi that they were able 519 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 10: to actually confirm. 520 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: Investigators know that Helen is intentionally sending them in the 521 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: wrong direction. 522 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 3: They're dealing with someone who's lying to them at every turn. 523 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: Despite that, detectives have little choice but to go back 524 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 2: to her. 525 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 5: They brought Helen in for a third interview. In interview 526 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 5: number three, Helen changes her story dramatically again. 527 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 4: The real murder, according to her, was this guy named 528 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 4: Mark Keegan, a drug dealer in Chicago. 529 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 5: I'm just so scared now. The story wasn't that Andre 530 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 5: Brown was a drug dealer and had received drugs from Keegan, 531 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 5: sold them and used some of them, but didn't have 532 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 5: enough money to pay Mark Keegan back, so Keegan stabbed him. 533 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: A drug dealer, Helen says she was afraid that if 534 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: Mark found out she'd told police the truth, he'd kill 535 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: her too. 536 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 4: She doesn't want Mark Keegan to be upset with her 537 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 4: because she's scared. 538 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 2: But now she's ready to cooperate. 539 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 5: She gives us a specific address in Chicago. 540 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 2: The details are impressive, but not convincing. 541 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 14: Detectives are more than a little suspicious of Helen's news story. 542 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 7: You know, we're going to have to verify that information. 543 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 13: Yes, yes, of course, and if. 544 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 5: We find out that you're lying again, we're coming right 545 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 5: back to you. 546 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 4: At this point, the police don't believe a word that 547 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 4: she's saying, but they have to follow up. 548 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 2: Detectives spend the next few days attempting to locate Mark Keegan, 549 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: but are unable to find anyone by that name. 550 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 14: Helen had tried to pin the murder on three different people, 551 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 14: all of whom police had eventually ruled out in a suspects. 552 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: Now investigators have a fourth suspect. 553 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 5: They had been suspicious of her prior to this interview, 554 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 5: but after this interview, police start to investigate Helen. 555 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: Digging through records of police calls, detectives make an alarming 556 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: discovery about her relationship with Andrea. 557 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 5: They found that police had been called to Andre's home 558 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 5: to deal with conflicts between Andrea and Helen five different 559 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 5: times between October of twenty sixteen and January of twenty seventeen. 560 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 4: It was always Andrea calling the police. It was never 561 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 4: once Ellen Fraser calling it saying she needed help. 562 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 2: The last call came on December tenth, twenty sixteen, not 563 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 2: quite a month before Andre was murdered. 564 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 12: During this particular call in December, Helen and Andre were 565 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 12: both very intoxicated. Andre was telling an officer that she 566 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 12: was just tearing everything up, I mean, just throwing everything everywhere. 567 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: But now that Andre's dead, detectives wonder if the tension 568 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 2: between them had flared up again and this time spiraled 569 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: out of control. 570 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 4: Ellen Fraser is somebody who has had several encounters with 571 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 4: Lawn before. He's had several convictions. 572 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 5: She had not only a criminal history, but a pretty 573 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 5: astoundingly violent criminal history. She had some sixth prior assault convictions. 574 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 2: But there's no history of Helen ever trying to hurt Andrea. 575 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 9: Your previous calls or police came out to the house, 576 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 9: Andre never made mention of Helen assaulting them. 577 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 2: Hoping to learn more, detectives reach out to the man 578 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: Helen originally accused of killing Andrea his friend Oscar Evans, 579 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: who's more than willing to point the finger back at Helen. 580 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 4: He tells us at this meeting that he witnessed a 581 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 4: confrontation between Andre and hell where they were arguing, during 582 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 4: which Helen actually gets out a knife and holds it 583 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 4: threat me get on. 584 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 12: After that, that's when I decided I had to find 585 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 12: someplace else to go. 586 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: Detectives now know that Helen was capable of pulling a 587 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: knife on Andre, but did she wheeld the knife that 588 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 2: killed him. The results from the forensic lab don't give 589 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: a definitive answer. 590 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 10: The knife that was the suspected murder weapon was thrown 591 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 10: into a sink full of dirty dishes that was filled 592 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 10: with warm, soapy water, so the police were not able 593 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 10: to get any forensic evidence in the form of DNA 594 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 10: or fingerprints. 595 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 2: With forensics a dead end, detectives shift their focus to 596 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 2: retracing Andre's movements leading up to the murder and Helen's statement. 597 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 10: She had said that Andre had walked to a nearby 598 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 10: convenience store to buy beer and cigarettes. 599 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 9: Which means the clerk was probably one of the last 600 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 9: people Andrey spoke to before he died. 601 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 2: Detectives locate the convenience store clerk and ask him for 602 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 2: a statement. 603 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 3: Do you remember who was working at the gas station 604 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 3: on January tewod? 605 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, that was me. 606 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 3: Do you remember seeing this man? 607 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 4: While they were talking, Andre said he's having, you know, 608 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 4: this argument with his girlfriend. 609 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 14: The clerk said that Andre thought Helen was taking advantage 610 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 14: of him. 611 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 8: That morning before he died, he was up at the 612 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 8: gas station telling somebody that we would come in your 613 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 8: house and they take over. And I think that was 614 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 8: the issue with her, you know, she was trying to 615 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 8: take over Andrea's. 616 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 2: Out, and according to the clerk, Andre had had enough. 617 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 6: He said he wanted her gone. 618 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 4: He's going to have to kick her out. 619 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 2: Later that day did a confrontation between Andrea and Helen 620 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 2: and in violence. 621 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 10: This information seemed pretty significant to the detectives because if 622 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 10: Andre kicked Helen out, she had no place else to go. 623 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 4: She has been almost before. She didn't want to be 624 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 4: almost again. 625 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 2: Detectives believe they found a motive for Helen to stab Andre, 626 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: but they'll need more evidence to make an arrest. 627 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 10: The police took a look at the cell phone history 628 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 10: of Helen's own from the day of the murder. 629 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 5: What they found was, of course nine one one call, 630 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 5: and knew that phone call had been made, But. 631 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 2: It's the call Helen makes right before that makes detectives 632 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 2: take note. 633 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 5: Immediately before the nine to one one call, Helen had 634 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 5: been on the phone with her mother for some eleven minutes. 635 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 5: She hangs up with her mother and then very quickly 636 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 5: calls nine one one. 637 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 2: The timing between the two calls was forty seconds, and 638 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 2: that leads detectives to an inescapable conclusion. 639 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 4: We do not think that the stabbing could have happened 640 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 4: in that forty seconds, and. 641 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 5: The short time between those two phone calls didn't seem 642 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 5: like it was enough time for an argument to develop 643 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 5: in a stabbing to take place. 644 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 2: Helen must have called her mother after Andrea was stabbed. 645 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 5: For that eleven minutes, Andrea was lying on the ground 646 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 5: bleeding to death before she hung up with her mother 647 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 5: and called nine one one. 648 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 2: What did Helen say during her call with her mother? 649 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 6: The police knew that they needed to speak to Helen's mother. 650 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 5: Helen had essentially confessed. 651 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: Stay tuned as we navigate through the unpredictable twists and 652 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: turns of this staggering episode. 653 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 2: More than two weeks after someone stabbed Andre Brown to 654 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 2: death and his des Moines, Iowa home, detective suspect that 655 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 2: is girlfriend fifty two year old Helen Fraser struck the 656 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 2: fatal blow. 657 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 5: We had a suspect that had falsely implicated two different 658 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 5: real people and third imaginary person that she appears to 659 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 5: have made up. 660 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 2: And now detectives have made a suspicious discovery about the 661 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 2: moments leading up to Helen's nine to one one call 662 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 2: reporting the stabbing. 663 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 4: I find this eleven minute phone call with her mother 664 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 4: right before calling ninety one. 665 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 2: To find out what Helen said during that call, detective 666 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 2: contact her mother. 667 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 5: He trapped her down in Chicago, and two investigators drove 668 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 5: to Chicago to do an interview with Helen's mother. That 669 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 5: interview was long, it was confusing, it was garbled. Clearly, 670 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 5: Helen's mother did not want to implicate her criminal conduct, but. 671 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 2: She also doesn't want to lie to the police. 672 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 5: She reluctantly acknowledges that when she talked to Helen that day, 673 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 5: Helen had essentially confessed to her that she had stabbed Andre. 674 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 5: Helen's mother said that she advised Helen to call nine 675 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 5: to one. 676 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 2: One When detectives bring Helen in for another interview, her fourth, 677 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 2: she admits to making the call. Why wasn't the first 678 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 2: call after the stabbing to nine one one oh skarhared? 679 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 7: I didn't know what to do. 680 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 4: She admitted that she did make that phone call before 681 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 4: calling nine one one, and she said it lasted maybe 682 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 4: a minute. 683 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 5: When they confront her with the fact that the phone 684 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 5: call was eleven minutes of fourteen seconds, kind of locks 685 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 5: up and doesn't have a good explanation for that. 686 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 2: You need to start telling us the truth. Caught in 687 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,760 Speaker 2: another lie, Helen makes one last attempt to explain herself. 688 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 5: She says she has no memory what happened that day. 689 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 2: But for Helen, it's too little, too late. 690 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 4: The police arrest her for the murder of Andre Brown. 691 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 2: Helen's arrest is bittersweet for Andre's family. 692 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,439 Speaker 8: He was helping her, he let her move in with him, 693 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 8: and then you kill him for helping you, and then 694 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 8: you lie about it. 695 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 2: Helen's repeated lies present a challenge for the defense when 696 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 2: she goes on trial at the end of January twenty nineteen, 697 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 2: but instead of facing a jury, Helen opts to let 698 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 2: a judge decide her fate in a ben trial. 699 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 5: Frequently, a defendant will agree to have a best trial 700 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 5: when there are pieces of the case that a jury 701 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 5: is likely to react to emotionally. Helen's repeated lies were 702 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 5: that type of emotional evidence. 703 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 9: Going before it judge removes any possibility for emotion or 704 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 9: bias from the equation. 705 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 2: Prosecutors opened their case by focusing on Helen's emotions on 706 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 2: the afternoon of the murder. 707 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 5: Helen's motive was probably the fact that Andre was telling 708 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 5: her again to get out of the house. She was 709 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 5: cooking a holiday meal to share with Andre, so I'm 710 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 5: sure it was unusually offensive that he was telling her 711 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 5: to get out of the house while she was cooking 712 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 5: this meal. 713 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 6: That was just too much. It was distraught and broke 714 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 6: the camel's back. 715 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 8: She was just not going period. No matter what Andre did, 716 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,240 Speaker 8: she was not leaving. 717 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 2: According to the prosecution, in a moment of rage, Helen 718 00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 2: stabbed Andre in the chest with a kid. 719 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 8: I don't even think she meant to stab him where 720 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 8: she stabbed him, and I think she meant to scare him, 721 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 8: but it just went too far. 722 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 2: However, the prosecution argues that once Helen stabbed Andre instead 723 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 2: of trying to save him, she called her mother. 724 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 5: The phone call to her mother after the stabbing was 725 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 5: inflicted was a critical piece of evidence to show in 726 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 5: ted and malice. She let Andrea lay on the floor 727 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 5: bleeding for eleven minutes and fourteen seconds before she called. 728 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 2: Nine to one to one, and she didn't make the 729 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 2: call until she had her first false accusation ready. 730 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 4: It was a woman who not only ended the life 731 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 4: of her boyfriend, she immediately turned around and pointed the 732 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,320 Speaker 4: finger at somebody else who she knew to be totally innocent. 733 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 6: It's got to owe him some money or something. 734 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 4: Sadom. 735 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 2: When it's the defenses to Helen takes the stand and 736 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 2: tells yet another story, this time claiming she acted in 737 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 2: self defense. 738 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 5: We had nothing other than Helen's testimony to substantiate a 739 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 5: claim of self defense, and by that time Helen had 740 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 5: been so wildly and consistent that her testimony just wasn't. 741 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 4: Worth very much. 742 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,760 Speaker 2: The presiding judge agrees, and on February fifteenth, twenty nineteen, 743 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 2: delivers a verdict. 744 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 5: The judge issued a written ruling finding Helen guilty of 745 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 5: murdering the second degree. 746 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 4: It was sentenced to fifty years but at least thirty 747 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 4: five years before she'll be eligible her pole. 748 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 2: Although for Andre's family, no amount of prison time will 749 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 2: make up for what Helen took from them. 750 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 5: The thing about homicide cases is on the end, there's 751 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,280 Speaker 5: no winner. We've still got a victim of violent crime 752 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,800 Speaker 5: that died, and we still got family members that lost 753 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 5: a loved one. 754 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 2: And Andre's family can't forget that he was killed by 755 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 2: someone he'd taken in and given a home. 756 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 8: It started out as a kindness that ended in him 757 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 8: being stabbed to death by the person that he was 758 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 8: trying to help. 759 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 2: It turns you cold, it really does. 760 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: The heart wrenching story of the murder of Andrea Brown 761 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: has finally come to an end after detectives made an 762 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: alarming discovery that led to solving the case of misconstant 763 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: lies and bow deceit. When a person dies, those left 764 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: behind are left with memories. Andre Brown's family will always 765 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: remember his caring nature and the goodness he saw in others. 766 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: Coming up on the next episode of the Fatal Attraction podcast. 767 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 2: She was the woman who had it all. She loved 768 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 2: what she did, she loved her husband, she loved her children, 769 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 2: So why would she disappear without a trace. It wasn't 770 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 2: like her to just up and walk away. 771 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 3: I had that good feeling something's wrong. 772 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 2: There's some type of foul play going on. 773 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: Prepare to become fully engrossed as we delve into a 774 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: heart wrenching story that will have you on an emotional 775 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: journey like no other. What happened to Kayla Ashford and 776 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: what happens when love becomes fatal? Tune in to the 777 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: next episode of the Fatal Attraction Podcast. 778 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 6: We will see you in the next episode.