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Speaker 1: You are a businessman, Tony Stewart. I mean in addition

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Speaker 1: So Fox YEP, Fox Television or Fox Broadcasting now has

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm hearing it today as well for

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Speaker 2: That, I definitely think so. I think this is a

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Speaker 1: It's like a kiss concert except for the music's good.

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Speaker 1: All right, yeah, all right, Hey, it's always good to

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Speaker 1: every once in a while, and rich Nie is another

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Speaker 1: guy that comes to mind on this. I have always

436
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,720
Speaker 1: said that when I was in television and we would

437
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,440
Speaker 1: be in the scrum where you're all sitting around and

438
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,560
Speaker 1: everybody's firing questions, rich Nie is the guy that more

439
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 1: often than not would ask a question, and I would think,

440
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,440
Speaker 1: to myself, that's a great question. I wish I'd thought

441
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Speaker 1: of that, And Bob Kravitz will send a tweeter or post,

442
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Speaker 1: and I will think to myself, it is a great point,

443
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Speaker 1: and I wish I'd thought of that, And Bob came

444
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,919
Speaker 1: up with one to start camp an observation that I

445
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,359
Speaker 1: think is spot on, and that is Bob, I thought

446
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Speaker 1: you made an interesting observation about the fact that there

447
00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,119
Speaker 1: seems to be this about Fai from the Colts on

448
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 1: the way they're handling Anthony Richardson. So if you could

449
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 1: go back to your original observation and then carry that

450
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Speaker 1: into do you feel they have done the correct about face?

451
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, originally they I mean they

452
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 4: were they were quick to give Anthony the job after

453
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Speaker 4: just one preseason game, and I thought that was probably

454
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Speaker 4: the late owner who had a big say in that.

455
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Speaker 4: Now they're talking about being patient with.

456
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Speaker 5: In fact, Zach Keefer has a story.

457
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Speaker 4: In The Athletic I think it ran today about how

458
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Speaker 4: they're going to be more patient with with Anthony. I

459
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 4: just think it's really important that they commit to whoever

460
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Speaker 4: they're gonna go with. I think it's going to be Anthony.

461
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 4: I think it should be I think that Jones has

462
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Speaker 4: got to thoroughly outplay him in the preseason. We'll learn

463
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Speaker 4: a lot more after they go to Baltimore and start

464
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Speaker 4: playing some preseason games. But it's clear that from the.

465
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Speaker 5: Very start they probably should.

466
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Speaker 4: Have made Anthony Waite, you know, for a one year,

467
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Speaker 4: given in that year to learn, and you know, there's

468
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Speaker 4: a guy with thirteen starts in college, so to think

469
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Speaker 4: that he's going to be ready for the big time

470
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Speaker 4: is fool already.

471
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Speaker 1: Do you think, Bob that Anthony Richardson? I mean, you know, look,

472
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Speaker 1: hindsight's always twenty twenty, right. But with that said, do

473
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Speaker 1: you think Anthony Richardson in terms of wishing that he

474
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Speaker 1: could have been given more time? Is that because he

475
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Speaker 1: needed to more physically tweak himself to play quarterback or

476
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Speaker 1: emotionally tweak himself to play quarterback.

477
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Speaker 4: I think I think it's more of a mental thing.

478
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 4: I think he had to learn how to be a

479
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Speaker 4: CEO of organization as a quarterback. I just don't think

480
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Speaker 4: he was ready. I mean thirteen. Yeah, Look, he's got

481
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 4: the physical tools, there's no question. You know, they've done

482
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Speaker 4: a lot of work on his footwork, on his vision,

483
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Speaker 4: everything else.

484
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Speaker 3: But no, I.

485
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Speaker 4: Think it was more of a mental issue with him

486
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Speaker 4: be getting ready. And again after thirteen starts, what do

487
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Speaker 4: you expects.

488
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Speaker 1: Do you think that Anthony Richardson Bob and I guess

489
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Speaker 1: it's a two part question. Do you think he truly

490
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Speaker 1: understood what was required to be an NFL quarterback? And

491
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Speaker 1: do you think he understands it now?

492
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Speaker 4: I think he understands it now based on some of

493
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Speaker 4: his responses to questions. Again, the key for story is

494
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Speaker 4: quite good. He talks with Anthony a bit. I think

495
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 4: he understands that, you know, he was handed everything like

496
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 4: right away because of his natural his you know, physical talent.

497
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Speaker 4: I think he understands now, But at the time, no,

498
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 4: he had no earthly clue. I think that getting benched.

499
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Speaker 5: Last year was a wake up call.

500
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Speaker 4: And if it's not, then they've got bigger problems than

501
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 4: we thought.

502
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Speaker 1: Bob. I have said, Bob Kravitz is our guest. At

503
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Speaker 1: the beginning of like when he was signed, I had

504
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Speaker 1: this feeling that Daniel Jones was going to be the

505
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Speaker 1: Week one starter. Okay, now I'm not saying that I'm

506
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Speaker 1: sticking by that, but I believe this, and I want

507
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: you to tell me if this makes sense. It's what

508
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 1: I've said on the show. If Daniel Jones is starting

509
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: week one, it is far more likely that is simply

510
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Speaker 1: because Anthony Richardson didn't win the job, not because Daniel

511
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Speaker 1: Jones did. Does that make sense?

512
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think this is all in It's

513
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 4: all in Anthony's hands at this point, you know. I

514
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 4: I think, you know, for Jones to beat him out, Uh,

515
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 4: he's got to be wretched, and so far he hasn't been.

516
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 4: He's been he's been decent.

517
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Speaker 3: Uh.

518
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Speaker 4: The last couple of days and pads, I went to

519
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Speaker 4: one practice and I read up on the other. On

520
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 4: the other ones, he's looked quite good. And he's throwing

521
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 4: the ball well on the move. He's he's making the

522
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Speaker 4: the intermediate, the layup, the layups he's making.

523
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Speaker 5: So I see.

524
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Speaker 4: Growth, Uh, I more more than anything, I see growth.

525
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Speaker 4: And in just his his approach and his professionalism. I think,

526
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Speaker 4: I you know, it was it was a bad scene

527
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Speaker 4: for him last year, but I think that has a

528
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 4: chance to be a real inflection point in his career.

529
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Speaker 4: If it's not, then they've got bigger problems than we

530
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 4: all thought.

531
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Speaker 1: And here's the thing, Bob, and I think it's important

532
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Speaker 1: to point this out for people. And look, it's not

533
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,959
Speaker 1: like I know him well, that would be totally unfair

534
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: of me to say, but I do think that people

535
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: should at least understand that while we can talk about

536
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson in terms of his maturity or his dedication,

537
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: there is no body of work that I'm aware or

538
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: nor any evidence that he's a bad guy, you know

539
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Speaker 1: what I mean. I think he might have been an

540
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: immature guy. I don't think he's a bad guy.

541
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Speaker 4: No, I agree completely. I mean, he's a sweetheart of

542
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 4: a guy. I mean, there's there's no question the way

543
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 4: he deals with us, the way he deals with fans,

544
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 4: the way he deals with teammates. I mean, I think

545
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 4: everybody's rooting for him. Nothing against Daniel Jones, you know,

546
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 4: seems to be a you know, fine enough human being.

547
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 4: But I think people are rooting for Anthony because he

548
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 4: I think he's just immature. I mean, I think back

549
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 4: to my twenties and my god, you know, I mean

550
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 4: to think that if that age to be given the

551
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 4: sun the moon and be.

552
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 5: Asked to navigate that at the age.

553
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 4: Of twenty two twenty three, I couldn't have done it.

554
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 4: I'd have been a disaster. So, you know, I just

555
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 4: think when you've only got thirteen games of experience, you know,

556
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't expect that the guy is going

557
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 4: to come going to come into the scene, onto the scene,

558
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 4: ready made to go, you know. And it's it's been

559
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 4: a struggle for him, clearly, but hopefully hopefully last year.

560
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 4: He hopefully after last year his head screwed on, right.

561
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Speaker 1: Bob, Do you see also the same growth or the

562
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Speaker 1: same tweak that you see from one year to the

563
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: ex have seen out of Anthony Richardson?

564
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 3: Uh?

565
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: In any way? Have you seen the same in terms

566
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: of approach from Shane Stikeen.

567
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 5: Boy, that's a that's a good question. This is me.

568
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 4: Holding off on an answer because I can't come up

569
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Speaker 4: with one, you know, No, I I think it's basically

570
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 4: the same thing with Stikeen. Honestly, I mean, what what

571
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 4: do you have in mind there with your thought?

572
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 3: Brother?

573
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Speaker 1: I think it's hard to say, because he is very

574
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Speaker 1: and I'll give Stikeen credit in this regard. He's very

575
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: rehearsed in the thing, you know, in the answers that

576
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: he gives. He's kind of generic right in that form.

577
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: But and it's hard to know now whether his approach

578
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: from a coaching standpoint is different because we're only seeing

579
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: you know, an hour of practice, right, But it does

580
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: seem like it was the first time, like with Anthony Richardson.

581
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: And I'm going to use that not to hyper in

582
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: on that subject or that that, but I think he's

583
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: been a little bit more transparent in areas that he

584
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: at once or expects more out of guys. And I

585
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: feel like he was more of a quote players coach

586
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: when he first got here.

587
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess there's some truth to that. I mean,

588
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 4: he's working these guys hard. It's a more physical camp,

589
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 4: which I think will benefit everybody, including the quarterbacks. But

590
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 4: you know, I think that first, I think the first

591
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 4: year there were just trying to get Anthony up and running.

592
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 4: I think the competition is really at the center of

593
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 4: what's going on at this camp? And I do think

594
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 4: you know, now with.

595
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 5: Pads, we got a better idea of what.

596
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 4: We're looking at. And I think going to Baltimore against

597
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: an elite team, we'll find out a whole hell of

598
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: a lot more.

599
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: Bob Kravits is our guest. You can read his work

600
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: at Bob Kravitz dot com. Bob, I guess last thing

601
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: before we move. I got a couple of other things I

602
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: want to ask you about, but on the Colts front,

603
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: and I've asked this really of everybody we've talked to.

604
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: I look at it and I get it. I get

605
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: the fact that this is the NFLPA and the collective

606
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: bargaining agreement and it's all been agreed upon. I get it.

607
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: But is there part of you or does it just

608
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: make us old that I'm still and I assume you

609
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: are as well, almost incredulous, incredulous to the fact that

610
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: you get out there at eleven thirty and you're like,

611
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 1: they're done for the day, and that's it.

612
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 4: I know. I remember going up to Greeley, Colorado for

613
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 4: Broncos camp and they would have well over one hundred

614
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: players there.

615
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 5: They would do two days.

616
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 4: Guys were dying. I mean, not dying, but guys, yeah,

617
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, you know, back then, drinking water

618
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 4: was a sign of weakness. I mean it was insane.

619
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 4: It was just nuts. But yeah, yeah, I mean they don't.

620
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 4: You know, I hear a more physical camp and I'm like, how,

621
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, they're still not hitting anybody? Really,

622
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 4: I mean, no, it's it's it's interesting. It's not what

623
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 4: it used to be. I remember Dan Reeves talking about

624
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 4: how the game had changed and how training camp had

625
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 4: made players soft, and you know, I think that's probably

626
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 4: one of the reasons we see so many injuries early

627
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 4: in the season, because guys aren't aren't physically ready to go.

628
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: So, Bob, when I was in college, you know, my

629
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: freshman year, I went to University Kansas. Two my good

630
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: buddies were both from Cherry Creek, which you're probably familiar with.

631
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: It's a you know, a big school in Denver, Carmal.

632
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: So we go back. Yeah, it's the Karmel. So we

633
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: go back to Denver for a weekend. Right, We're hanging

634
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: out at my buddy's house and it's like two thirty

635
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: in the morning, and one of them gets a brilliant

636
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: idea that a girl he went to high school with

637
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: who's at the University of North in Colorado, in Greeley, Colorado.

638
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: He thinks he might have a shot at her, so

639
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: we decide to road trip. It's like forty minutes, forty

640
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: five minutes, I think. We go to Greeley, Colorado at

641
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: like three point fifteen in the morning to hang out

642
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: while he goes and tries to like throw a Hail

643
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: Mary for this girl he went to high school with.

644
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: We get there, we're all excited for him, We're wishing

645
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: him the best, we're giving him the Godspeed speech. He

646
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: walks in and it turns out she's got a new

647
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: boyfriend she met at the University of Northern Colorado and Greeley, Colorado.

648
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: And we turned around and immediately went back. And I'm

649
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: thinking that my experience in Greeley, Colorado probably even still

650
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: was better than a lot of the guys that were

651
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: trying out for the Broncos.

652
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Speaker 5: Right, Oh, absolutely it was. It was brutal back in

653
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Speaker 5: the day.

654
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Speaker 4: I mean too a days every day, every single day

655
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Speaker 4: they did to a day's injury. I mean, now you're

656
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 4: at the university exactly.

657
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Speaker 5: Let me tell you Greeley.

658
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 4: Is it's not typical Colorado.

659
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: Correct, it's not beautiful.

660
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: Correct, it's not.

661
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 5: It's not a beautiful filled with beautiful.

662
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 4: Out and vistas. The truth of the matter is it

663
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 4: kind of thinks Yeah.

664
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Speaker 1: No, it's it's a fun drive to make back when

665
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: a guy just wants to listen to the cure and

666
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: like Christopher Cross at four o'clock in the morning, it

667
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: needs to be consulted. Real fun times, right, That's that's

668
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Speaker 1: a good time. Hey, Bob, what do you make of

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Speaker 1: before we let you go? Bob Kravitz, our guest. I

670
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: just talked to Tony Stewart about it, but I wanted

671
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Speaker 1: your opinion as well. I know it's all new news

672
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: to all of us. What, if anything, was your reaction

673
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: to now seeing that the Fox Television Group is a

674
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Speaker 1: one third owner of the Penske Entertainment Corporation, which is

675
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Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and IndyCar.

676
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Speaker 4: Well, I don't have a lot of deep thoughts on

677
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 4: it because I'm just kind of getting up to speed

678
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 4: like everybody else. But it sounds like a great deal.

679
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: I mean, it sounds like, you know, like you know,

680
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: they're gonna.

681
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 5: Work well together. You've got your your.

682
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 4: Media, you know, lined up. I mean, I think the

683
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 4: contracts to what twenty six or twenty seven, and it's

684
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Speaker 4: going to go quite a bit longer now.

685
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Speaker 5: I think it's a good deal for everybody, for.

686
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Speaker 4: Fox, for Penske.

687
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Speaker 5: Did what did Stewart have to say?

688
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Speaker 1: Well, Tony was saying that, you know the same thing,

689
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: Like he's a promoter, so you know, he's like, I

690
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: know what it means to promote races. And the television

691
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: partner is going to have a financial stake in it

692
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: now right, it's going to be in their best interest

693
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: to make sure as many people know about this as possible.

694
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you one of the things, Bob, as I've

695
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: kind of let this settle in a little bit. A

696
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, we were all asked to submit

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Speaker 1: who we thought would be a good broadcast or a

698
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: good title sponsor for IndyCar before NTT became the sponsor.

699
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Speaker 1: And at that time, and this was about eight years ago,

700
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, you're starting to see more

701
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: live sports and streaming, and at that time, I was

702
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: motivated by the fact that I had seen a New

703
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: York Jets Buffalo Bill's game was being carried live on Twitter.

704
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: This was like eight years ago, and I thought about

705
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: the fact that IMS Productions is owned by the Speedway.

706
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: They have television edit bays, they have television cameras, it's

707
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Speaker 1: a production company. And now knowing that Fox is getting

708
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: ready to launch and thank you to somebody who sent

709
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: this to me, but I had forgotten this. The Fox

710
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: Television group is getting ready to launch an app that

711
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: is their version of the one Stop Shopping You know

712
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: that everything right here for you. And I think probably

713
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: knowing that this means that they have an ownership within

714
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: IMS Productions, it is going to allow them to do

715
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Speaker 1: their own reality programming to promote the series itself, like

716
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: you've seen with Formula one and et cetera. But they

717
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: now have ownership stake and the group that is putting

718
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: that all together. So it makes sense to me that

719
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: that means that eventually, perhaps all IndyCar events move to

720
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Speaker 1: an app and move to stream, which to people over

721
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: fifty sounds totally foreign, and people under thirty it sounds

722
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Speaker 1: totally normal. And that's the demo Bob that they've got

723
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Speaker 1: to go after.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree completely, Yeah, it's in the media. We've

725
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 4: got to change along with the times, and I think

726
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 4: that that's probably the way they're going to go. I

727
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 4: think it's a good deal for everybody. I think it's

728
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 4: a great deal for Indie car and for Penske.

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00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: You're going to be out of practice tonight.

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking about it. I'm actually doing a I'm talking

731
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Speaker 4: for a documentary this afternoon on the twenty thirteen Colts

732
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 4: Chiefs comeback game, the forty five forty.

733
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Speaker 1: Four that was the Superman game, right.

734
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Speaker 4: Andrew Luck Superman game. That's that's what everybody remembers. So

735
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 4: I actually watched the game again this warning, just to

736
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 4: you know, get my memory going. And so I'll probably

737
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 4: do that and I'll probably head on up to practice.

738
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Speaker 5: I'll be curious to see if Carly talks because this.

739
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 4: Is when this is when Jim always used to talk.

740
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: So I got to find out if she'll be made

741
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Speaker 4: available for us.

742
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: Listen, if she does talk and you've got a chance

743
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: to talk to her, Bob, you can put your bid

744
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: in on the house, right.

745
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 4: I see that it's only what twelve million?

746
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah? I mean yeah, I got that second

747
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: mortgage on your home. You're good to go, right.

748
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 4: Oh, not a problem. I'm as good as moved in.

749
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Speaker 1: I think it's got up. One of the houses he

750
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Speaker 1: has has a full ice skating rink in it too, Yeah,

751
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: which is perfect for you.

752
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 5: Right because of a full Yeah. He used to ask me.

753
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Speaker 4: To come over and be a goaltender for his grandson

754
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 4: and I said thanks, but no thanks because the kid

755
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 4: would probably light me up.

756
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Speaker 1: Are you were a goaltender like all the way through? Right?

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00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: I was? I was.

758
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 4: I was a goaltender from the very start, and I

759
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 4: played till I was probably in my early fifties. Okay,

760
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 4: when Yeah.

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00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this before I let you go.

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00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: I don't think I've I've asked you this before. I

763
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: can't recall when when I go to hockey games, and

764
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: this is going to show my naivete about hockey. And

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Speaker 1: I really enjoy hockey. I think live hockey is super

766
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: fun to watch. It doesn't mean I totally understand everything

767
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: going on because I didn't grow up with it, right,

768
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: But I see a lot of times where the goalie

769
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: as his team and everything is taking place at the

770
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: other end of the ice. Well, grab his stick and

771
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: bang it like three times on the ice? Is he

772
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: what is that meaning is that calling for a shift change?

773
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: Is it sending out what exactly is going on? Or

774
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: is he just bored?

775
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 4: No, it's usually you bang your stick on the ice

776
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 4: when your team is in uh power play or is shorthanded.

777
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 4: You're letting your bench know that the penalty time is up.

778
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 4: And uh so, yeah, you're just letting them know that

779
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: the time is up on the penalty and they need

780
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 4: to be aware aware of that.

781
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: So it's a goaltender. Is the goaltender almost like a

782
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: safety in football, and the fact that because they're the

783
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: last line of defense, they're also in charge of kind

784
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: of overseeing some things.

785
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 4: Very much like a catcher in baseball. I mean, you

786
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 4: can you control a lot more than you think. You

787
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 4: think you're just sitting there waiting for the next puck

788
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 4: to hit you in the face. But not necessarily the truth,

789
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 4: it's not.

790
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Speaker 5: Necessarily the way it goes.

791
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 4: No, you you've got you've got to know the game

792
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 4: and the ebbs and flows the game, and uh yeah,

793
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 4: that's what that's all about.

794
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: Eddie. You're a catcher, right, that's right. You're basically the

795
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: goaltender of baseball. Exactly. See the things with this program,

796
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: this is what we do, We educate and entertain on

797
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: the show. Bob appreciate it as always. All right, Hi buddy, Hey,

798
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: Jeb Kravitz, our friend Bob Kravitz dot com, where you

799
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: can read his work. Colts Practicing tonight Grand Park in Westfield.

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00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: Zach Kiefer is still a go to when it comes

801
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: to the Colts, despite the fact that his responsibilities go

802
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: to all teams within the National Football League and his

803
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,959
Speaker 1: writing with the Athletic But he did have a very

804
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: interesting piece recently about Anthony Richardson and he. But that being,

805
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: Zach joins us on the program. Now, Zach, how are you.

806
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: I'm good, Jake, how are you doing?

807
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: I can't complain, man, you know, it's it's the polar

808
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: vortex outside. I don't know if you noticed that. It's

809
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: like seventy It's dropped sixty two degrees in two days.

810
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: So that's good, right, Jake.

811
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 3: I'm in Ashburn, Virginia right now, so at least it's

812
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 3: not ninety five degrees like it was. What Tuesday when

813
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: I was in Westfield.

814
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: Okay, now hold on now before we let me guess this. Yeah,

815
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: the other day in Westfield, by the way, one hundred

816
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: and twenty one degrees, a new record. Okay, So Ashbourn, Virginia.

817
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: Don't tell me because I like guessing games. Are you

818
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: Are you there on an NFL assignment?

819
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: Zach? Yes?

820
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: Okay, So are you there for a training camp?

821
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: Yes?

822
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to guess that Ashburn, Virginia. There would

823
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: be two that jump out immediately as possibilities, but I'll

824
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: go with the obvious and say the Washington commanders.

825
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, Okay, you're correct.

826
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: How far is that from DC?

827
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 5: Man?

828
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 3: It's it's a pain. Like I used to complain about

829
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: the drive up to Anderson for Colts camp. This was

830
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 3: like forty five minutes this morning. I'm staying right by

831
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: Reagan in downtown Arlington, and to get out to Ashburn

832
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: where the team practices, it was like forty five minutes.

833
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: And Dan Quinn, the head coach, spoke at seven thirty

834
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: this morning, so I don't mind the early morning. But

835
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 3: it was an early morning.

836
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's early. Listen. I remember covering the rams and

837
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: being in Macomb, Illinois, and to get there you had

838
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: to actually take a left at Neptune. I mean it

839
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: was you know what I mean, it was like where

840
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: in the world, are we?

841
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had that thought a lot lately.

842
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: So let's get to this in terms of your article

843
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: with Anthony Richardson. And you know, I thought it was

844
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: interesting because there has been so much speculation about the

845
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: workouts that he's done, who he has worked out with,

846
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: and where things stand with the Indianapolis Colts. You were

847
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: around him, you spent time around him, Zach, what did

848
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: you learn?

849
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? I came away more impressed than I thought I

850
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: would be, And I don't want to get ahead of

851
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: myself by any means, because nothing really matters right now,

852
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: right like anything they say, it doesn't matter what anything

853
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: Richardson does on the field this season. If he does

854
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: end up being the starter of that's what matters. But

855
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 3: you know, I asked him, what when you walked off

856
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: the field after the last game of last season, which

857
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: was a chaotic, disappointing season for him. We don't need

858
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 3: to relive that, you know what you tell yourself? And

859
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: he said that I can't be slacky anymore. And that

860
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 3: gave me pause because if you didn't get it in

861
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: year two, what's going to change? And then he explained it,

862
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: and I walked away impressed because of the second part

863
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 3: of that answer, and look, if the light doesn't come

864
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 3: on this year. The surprising part to me is that

865
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: Chris Ballad is willing to wait until year four. Then

866
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: they're not going to jump the gun on this. He

867
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 3: doesn't want Anthony Richardson going to a different team in

868
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 3: the future and flourishing with that team. So the Colts

869
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: are going to be patient. But with Anthony Richardson, he

870
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 3: talked a lot about his footwork, and he talked about

871
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: a lot about accountability and how even if it's not

872
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: his fault that something went wrong, it is his fault

873
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: that something went wrong. That's just what quarterbacks have to

874
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: accept with that position. So for me, I'm not a

875
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 3: guy that's around Anthony Richardson every day like the beat writers.

876
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: But I will say this, I've never walked away from

877
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 3: a conversation more convinced. It's July thirty and everyone's going

878
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: to say everything rosy right now, And what really matters

879
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 3: is what they do on the field.

880
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: When you say get it, do you mean getting it

881
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: mentally or getting it physically?

882
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: He said last year he knew the offense. He said

883
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: this year he's starting to mask the offense. So there's that, right,

884
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: and guys learn at different clips. I'm working on this

885
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: big quarterback project about why young quarterbacks struggle and so

886
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: many and we're not talking about the Peyton Mannings of

887
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 3: the world and Andrew lux and et cetera. But Bruce

888
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 3: Arius told me that young quarterbacks takes three years to

889
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: learn the NFL offenses that they're given, like three years,

890
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 3: like this is his third year. And the other reality

891
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 3: is they screwed this up. The Colts did. They screwed

892
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: this up. Part of this is on the player, but

893
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: a lot of this is on the organization. They rushed

894
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 3: him onto the field and almost the worst thing that

895
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: happened was that he played well those first couple of

896
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 3: games as a rookie, Right, he played pretty well. They

897
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: had that Rams come back, they beat the Texans by

898
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 3: double vigits, Like, he played really well before he got hurt.

899
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 3: Then they signed Jonathan Taylor because they thought they had

900
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: the quarterback in place. But here's what happened. Richardson got hurt.

901
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: And when you're hurt, you're not around the team. And

902
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: when you're not around the team, as a young quarterback,

903
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 3: you don't build those daily habits that you need to

904
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: build as a young quarterback. Like a lot of quarterbacks

905
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: told me this over the years, like you need to

906
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 3: know what a Monday looks like, what a Tuesday looks like.

907
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: Richardson did not know that. And again I'm not excusing him,

908
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: like this is on him. He needs to figure this

909
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: stuff out. But what they should have done is they

910
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: should have started Gardner Minshew, which he ended up playing. Anyway,

911
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 3: they should have started Minshew. They should have had Richardson

912
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 3: become his shadow. He would have learned what the work

913
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 3: week looks like, and then they could have maybe started

914
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: him in year two or year three. But they didn't,

915
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: and everything was set back. Right, so last year he

916
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 3: becomes his starter. It's his team. He plays well, he

917
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: plays poorly, but he doesn't have those habits. He doesn't

918
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: have a work week down. And that really blew up

919
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: in their face because he wasn't preparing the right way.

920
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 3: The team was getting frustrated, some players were getting frustrated,

921
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: and so they benched it. And so almost this year

922
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: it feels like they're restarting the whole cycle.

923
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: Zach, would you think that or when you say that,

924
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: the Colts start, you know, I think we all can

925
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: say they started him too early, right, do you believe

926
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: that the greater damage there was giving him a false

927
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: entitlement or was it letting his confidence get rattled because

928
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: then it didn't go well.

929
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: I don't think he's a guy who loses confidence. I mean,

930
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: with you, if you were built like that. And these

931
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 3: are some of the things that Anthony Richardson has said.

932
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: And again I don't want to sound like everybody else here,

933
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 3: but he's a good kid. Like he's a genuinely good kid.

934
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: And I have conversations with plenty of athletes where I

935
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: walk away and I'm like, eh, I don't really like

936
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 3: that guy. I like andthy Ridgarson. He's a good kid.

937
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 3: He's respectful, he seems to get it. But he said

938
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: early on after his first year, like the NFL is

939
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: not that hard. It's not that much harder than college.

940
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 3: That's complete bs. It is absolutely that hard. And last

941
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: year it was the tap out thing. He said he

942
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: was tired, and maybe he was, but the optics of that,

943
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 3: you just have to know, is the starting quarterback that

944
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 3: you just don't say that, you just don't say it

945
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: at the podium. That's going to follow him for a

946
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 3: while when you tap out of a game because you're

947
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 3: tired divisional opponent on the road in a close game.

948
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 3: So I just think he's green. He's just naive to this.

949
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: And I think more time learning the system, learning the process,

950
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: learning the building, learning the job, like literally learning the job,

951
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: would have benefited him a little bit more. But again,

952
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: here we are, and it's going to be fascinating to

953
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: see if he can strain together some consistency because when

954
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: I asked Daniel Jones, like, you know what had Shange

955
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 3: said can tell you about what is going to win

956
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 3: this job? And Daniel Jones is not the most interesting

957
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: quote in the world, but he said, look, the coaches

958
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: told us they're going to go with the guy they

959
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: can trust. So as of right now, based on the

960
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: body of evidence in the past, you would think that

961
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 3: would be Daniel Jones. The day I was at campt

962
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 3: Richardson looked a little bit better. It's early August, right,

963
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 3: we got a long way to go. But I wonder

964
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: how this shakes out, because that's the biggest gap that

965
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson has to clear, has to close, right He

966
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: has to show that he can be way more consistent,

967
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: because right now it can go based on the body

968
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: of work that both have produced in the NFL. Jones

969
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: hasn't beat in that category, you.

970
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: Know, Zach. Let's be real here, Zach, if you grate

971
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: it on the curve of me being doubled the age,

972
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: I am pretty much built like that, don't you think?

973
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 3: You know?

974
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: Relatively? You know, I mean, come on, you know, I

975
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: mean like I got I got news for you. I mean,

976
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: we're looking at, you know, over a half century here. Uh,

977
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: this kind of sculpting, you know, come on, I'm the

978
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: ar of the radio world. Not really. I mean you

979
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: see J and B. Now he's in great shape, Zach,

980
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: keith for joining us from what's happening.

981
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 3: He is in great shape, by the way. I know.

982
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, Premier weight loss. They hooked him

983
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: up and they do the whole doctor deal. I mean, he

984
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: looks great.

985
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: I haven't seen you. I haven't seen you running through

986
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: minting Keesler Man, what you've.

987
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: Been I've been busy this time of year. I'm not.

988
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: I've never Here's the thing. I never run outside though,

989
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: right I'm an indoor runner. But this time of year,

990
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: because I'm traveling all over the place doing racing stuff,

991
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: it's the winter time, and I only run in the

992
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: winner in the gym. Truth be told to keep my

993
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: energy level up. That has nothing to do with the

994
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: vanity of looking this sexy.

995
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 3: You know you don't have to try.

996
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, That's exactly right, Zach. You had mentioned

997
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: that you think the Colts have some regret over the

998
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: way they handled Richardson. Do you just simply mean and

999
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: handing him the keys too early?

1000
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? And those are those are not my opinions, those

1001
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: are those are facts. That's what Chris Faller gave me

1002
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: explicitly in its stated article. He said, look, well, he

1003
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 3: just didn't have the understanding professionally of how to play

1004
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 3: and then how to prepare. It's just it's black and white.

1005
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 3: They rushed him out there too quickly and look easy

1006
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 3: to fall to the trappings of talent, right, Like Jim

1007
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 3: Mersey was one of the people in the building saying

1008
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 3: he needs to play. And I understand the argument at

1009
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: the time, right, he hadn't played very much in college.

1010
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 3: He needed to play. And I'm not trying to plug

1011
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 3: this story again, but I'm working on a big quarterback

1012
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: story about the bad habits you can develop if you

1013
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: play too soon. And Alex Smith was unbelievable in my

1014
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: conversations with him, and he says, the thing I look

1015
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 3: for is is footwork. Like you could see it last

1016
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 3: season with Caleb Williams. He was being sped up. His

1017
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: feet were a mess. He was indecisive, and then he

1018
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 3: would just miss easy checkdowns and how many easy checkdowns

1019
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 3: as Anthony richards in this That's one of the first

1020
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: things that Anthony Richardson mentioned to me when we asked him,

1021
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 3: like what he was working on was his base with

1022
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 3: his feet. And I know this is boring technical quarterback stuff,

1023
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 3: but I find it fascinating. He said, Look like, if

1024
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: I get my base nice and wide, then I know

1025
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: where the ball is going to go. I have more

1026
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: control over the ball. And he says if I don't,

1027
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: if my feet is narrow, I miss. And everybody out

1028
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: there listening knows what he means by miss, because he

1029
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 3: misses high. That's his miss. It's been way too frequent,

1030
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks, a couple of years in his career,

1031
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 3: and you know those are a little thing. So if

1032
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 3: you're out the camp and you see the quarterbacks warming

1033
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: up on the side, you will see Anthony Richardson repping that,

1034
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 3: repping his bass, trying to widen his stands. But again,

1035
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 3: you know, another thing I talked to Jim Bob Cooter,

1036
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 3: the oppensive coordinator, about, is like, can a quarterback develop touch?

1037
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: So many quarterbacks over the year just had it right.

1038
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 3: You can practice. But the thing is that he said

1039
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 3: that was really fascinating was a lot of guys will

1040
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 3: get through high school, college and get a lot of

1041
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 3: attention and win a lot of games because of their

1042
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: arms strength. Right, Richardson's part of that. Right, he can

1043
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 3: run all over the field. We know that you can

1044
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: throw it a mile, we know that, but you get

1045
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: to this league and the windows are smaller and you

1046
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 3: need to touch right. You need those intermediate throws, you

1047
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 3: need to hit those short brokes, the layups for lack

1048
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: of a better phrase, And that's where he's got to

1049
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 3: get better at. So that's going to come down the

1050
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 3: fundamentals and everything we've seen so far. I mean, on

1051
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 3: target percentage last year was fifty eight percent. Fifty eight

1052
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 3: was by far the lowest in the league. I mean,

1053
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 3: Jones is usually at seventy percent. One year with the Giants,

1054
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 3: he was at eighty one. So that's that's the gap

1055
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: I was talking about. She's trying to narrow, you know,

1056
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 3: he's trying to simplify things, widen his base to get

1057
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 3: better at those types of throws. But that's going to

1058
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: be the difference in this when we watch the preseason games.

1059
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 1: Zach, since you have love, Zach Keeper is our guest.

1060
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: With the Athletic, you were, you know, obviously a Colts

1061
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 1: feature and beat writer during your time here at both

1062
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: The Indie Star and then the Athletic, and you were

1063
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: esoteric to Indianapolis to the Colts. You now are an

1064
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: NFL writer where you are going around and doing features,

1065
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: whether it be on a player or a particular team

1066
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: or a camp. You know, I know you've done it

1067
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 1: in Miami. You're now in Washington. So when you look

1068
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: around at different franchises, and I know I've asked you

1069
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: this before, but it's worth revisiting because you've got another

1070
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: year under your belt of looking at the league in

1071
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: a much bigger lens. When you do that, it is

1072
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: illuminated to you the areas where the Colts are different

1073
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: than other franchises, where.

1074
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 3: It's much more of a family business. Right like that

1075
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 3: jumps out at me. And I don't just say that

1076
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 3: because of recent events, but the culture and ursay family business,

1077
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 3: and you feel that and it feels small in a

1078
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 3: good way, if that makes sense. It feels like their

1079
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 3: little pocket of the train camp world at that farm

1080
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 3: up in Westfield. And I bounced around to I don't know,

1081
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 3: fifteen or twenty training camps over the last couple of years,

1082
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: and all of them are sort of their own adventure,

1083
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 3: right in terms of getting there and parking and getting

1084
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 3: through the fans and getting to the media area and

1085
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 3: watching practice. All of that kind of runs right parallel, right,

1086
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 3: They're all kind of the same. But the Colt stop

1087
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 3: is refreshing, not because I know a lot of people,

1088
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 3: but because it is the Colts kind of ways. It

1089
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 3: feels smaller, it feels simpler, it feels unnecessarily complicated, and

1090
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 3: I kind of appreciate that more now that I've ventured out.

1091
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: I cannot tell you how good of a cult, like

1092
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 3: how good to set up the Colts have a training camp,

1093
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 3: for the fans, for the media, for everybody. It is

1094
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 3: just such a sceneless operation that is not to be overlooked.

1095
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 3: And then again, you know, like there are times when

1096
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 3: I bounce around the league and go to a bunch

1097
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: of stadiums and come back to Lucas Sayler, and I'm like,

1098
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: this is just an absolutely gorgeous stadium. And I hope

1099
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: I didn't take for granted going there every Sunday for

1100
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 3: however many years. But it's little things. It's players, it's

1101
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 3: it's the fact that the cults are more accountable. And

1102
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 3: by that, I mean Chris Baller comes out and says,

1103
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: I screwed it up. That's not something you hear in

1104
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 3: every city, and he has to a degree. Jim Mersey,

1105
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: when he was alive, would come out and own it,

1106
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 3: and he would talk to the fans. You always knew

1107
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 3: where he stood. You always knew where he stood right

1108
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: or wrong, and you never questioned whether he was in

1109
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: this to win, like some owners are just kind of

1110
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 3: in this for the paychecks. Jim Mersay desperately wanted to win.

1111
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: And so there's little things like that that I got

1112
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 3: accustomed to covering the colts that are not the same

1113
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,479
Speaker 3: when you bounce around and and and venture across the league.

1114
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 3: And I do appreciate those things more now in my

1115
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 3: spot that I'm currently at.

1116
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: What franchise did you gain a lot of respect for

1117
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: and not named Indianapolis for maybe some of the same reasons.

1118
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 3: Good question. Detroit is my answer. And I went there

1119
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 3: last year. It's been a week when they were a

1120
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 3: couple of weeks away from the playoff, and you know

1121
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: how you just go through a locker room. I always

1122
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: felt like the locker room was the one place that

1123
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 3: teams can't lie. It's the one place where a pr

1124
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 3: BS won't sit through. Right, Like I can go talk

1125
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 3: to players, I can ask them questions, I can talk

1126
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 3: to coaches, and at the podium you can hear one

1127
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 3: thing and that's whatever. But like when you go to

1128
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: a locker room, like the locker room's real. And I

1129
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 3: walked out of there after a week and I felt

1130
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 3: like I got it, Like I get why they believe

1131
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 3: in Dan Campbell. He might be cheesy at the podium,

1132
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 3: but they freaking love that guy. And the players showed

1133
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 3: me why. They told me stories that made me understand that.

1134
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 3: And it was really cool because not that long ago

1135
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 3: they were an absolute dunster fire and they did it

1136
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 3: the right way, and they did it when nobody believed

1137
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 3: they could do it, and there was no shortcut and

1138
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: there was no secret, and there was no huge free

1139
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: agent signing that changed everything. I mean, they traded for

1140
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 3: Jared Goff and everyone thought he was going to last

1141
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 3: a year and a half and be run out of town,

1142
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 3: and they became one of the best teams in the league.

1143
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 3: And kind of seeing how they did it and talking

1144
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 3: to all their players was like, this is literally the

1145
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 3: coolest thing about football was being in that locker room

1146
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 3: and understanding why they did it. And then conversely, you know,

1147
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 3: last year, James Boyd, my colleague and I wrote a

1148
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: story about why the Colts were falling apart again and

1149
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 3: it was a very very different locker room. There was

1150
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 3: a lot of players that didn't believe in the direction

1151
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 3: of the team, that were questioning some of the decisions

1152
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: that were made and that we're tired of losing. And

1153
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 3: the quote that we got from an anonymous player literally said,

1154
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 3: if you look around the league at the teams that win,

1155
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 3: like the Chiefs and the Lions, you can see why

1156
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 3: they win. So it's not that difficult to tell why

1157
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 3: some teams win and why some teams don't.

1158
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: Do you think the Colts those same players last year

1159
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: that said and I'm paraphrasing, this is a franchise with

1160
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: no direction. Do you believe that they now feel that

1161
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: direction is there?

1162
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,439
Speaker 3: Well, it's July thirty first, Jake. Everybody believes that they're

1163
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: in the right direction. Look around the league. Every single

1164
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 3: quote you're going to read is the players in the

1165
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 3: best shape of the life, the coach believes and everything.

1166
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 1: Guys are flying around making plays.

1167
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 3: Right, It's I'm just yeah, I just tune it out.

1168
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 3: But to answer your question, everything's going to come down

1169
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 3: to the quarterback. This is a good roster, it's a

1170
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 3: pretty good team. They could win the division. Not a

1171
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: great division, they could absolutely win the division. It's going

1172
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,479
Speaker 3: to come down to if they get consistent quarterback play.

1173
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 3: And I am still vious on that front.

1174
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: Okay, so with that, and I know we got to

1175
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: let you run here in a minute, Zach, But when

1176
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: you talk about exactly that, the Colts, in your opinion,

1177
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: the Colts ceiling is what even if they're to win

1178
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: the division, they're they're their ceiling is is what record

1179
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: and like what slot, like like let's say a year

1180
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: from now they're drafting where.

1181
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like it's if everything goes right, there's

1182
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 3: still like the sixth best team in the conference, right right, Like,

1183
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I just can't.

1184
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: Like such a hard run to get out of right

1185
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: the city.

1186
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Denver has a really really good defense

1187
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 3: and they have the guy at quarterback. And when you

1188
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 3: don't have the guy at quarterback, there's a ceiling. And

1189
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 3: there's a ceiling with Daniel Jones, and that's why the

1190
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 3: Giants decided to move on from him. And I think

1191
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 3: that's the tantalizing thing for the fan base right now, right, like,

1192
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 3: where does the fan base want this quarterback competition to go? Right?

1193
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 3: They are desperate for Anthony richards to figure it out

1194
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 3: because his ceiling is so much higher. I don't know

1195
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 3: if that happens. I don't know if it happens in

1196
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: a year. But with Daniel Jones, I think that's a

1197
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 3: guy that coaches trust a little bit more. I mean,

1198
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 3: the Coats were not a bad team last year. They

1199
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 3: went eight to nine, and if they wouldn't have turned

1200
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 3: the ball over so many times, and Richardson was a

1201
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 3: part of a lot of that, they probably win a

1202
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 3: couple of more of those games and they're probably playing

1203
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 3: in a playoff game, so it just depends on what

1204
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 3: they want. But you know the options are there. Now

1205
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 3: is the time to dream, right because it's August and

1206
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 3: nothing hasn't you know, no one's lost the game yet.

1207
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 3: But I just can't see them leaps frogby any teams

1208
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 3: in the AFC that are really, really good, with the

1209
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 3: exception of maybe Houston, Like I think they could sneak

1210
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 3: past you, but again, I need to see I need

1211
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: to see real consistent quarterback in play.

1212
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: Zach, I hate saying this, but I'll say it again.

1213
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: I've said it on the show. They can win the division,

1214
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: you are correct, but the AFC South is the junk

1215
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: drawer of divisions, right, It's the division. You open it

1216
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: up and there's like a roll of scotch tape that's

1217
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: been there forever, you know, a bottle opener, a cassette

1218
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: tape you forgot about, and you know what I mean.

1219
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think does that matter to them? You know, like,

1220
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 3: of course they'll take it and run with it, because

1221
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 3: I've never done it under this TM.

1222
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true, all right, Zach. Will let you get now.

1223
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: You said Ashbourn Virginia, Is that right?

1224
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: Yes, sir? Heading to Tampa soon.

1225
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: Well, enjoy Tampa. It'll be like it was here yesterday,

1226
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: and then it'll be sixty five the next day. All right,

1227
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: Zack appreciate it as always, Zach Keeper from the Athletic.

1228
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 3: You're the best place.

1229
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: Jake appreciate it, Zach Keeper joining us on the program.