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Speaker 2: So birthright citizenship in front of the Supreme Court. President

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Speaker 2: Trump was there, he was in the room. He was

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Speaker 2: there for the oral arguments being made by the Solicitor

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Speaker 2: General John Sower. And I will tell you I listened

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony kats today. Good to be here, Good

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Speaker 2: to be with you. This is anchor babies, however you

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Speaker 3: And so I bring this to you right now as

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Speaker 2: Lawyer, an observer, maybe a better observer than some, but

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Speaker 3: And even if I were a lawyer, to be a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: Within this context, to have a level of expertise, and

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Speaker 2: reason Supreme Court justices have their stabs. They are indeed

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Speaker 2: better at this than the vast majority of US sands.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Katanji Brown Jackson, who was extra special today.

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Speaker 4: Your view of this turns on what the status of

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Speaker 4: Can you help us understand why we wouldn't expect to

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Speaker 6: I think it was well understood that, for example, children

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Speaker 5: So it followed every nineteenth century that.

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Speaker 6: When you look at nineteenth century conceptions of allegiance, the

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Speaker 2: Your Now, it would seem to me that what justice

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Speaker 2: Kataji Brown Jackson is asking is why can't we just

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Speaker 3: Now, the clear argument made by those of us.

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Speaker 4: That Jack they were doing was departing from that common

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Speaker 5: We had previously said it meant.

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Speaker 6: Page five seventy two the Congression Record directly addresses this.

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Speaker 3: Slicer.

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Speaker 2: General Sower's argument was this idea of jurisdiction and this

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Speaker 2: But positive as woman in Norway, how often does that

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Speaker 3: You have a kid. The next thing you know, you're

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Speaker 3: Do that right now.

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Speaker 2: When I saw when I heard John Sower, the Solicitor

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Speaker 2: Hope after hearing her, I wouldn't be surprised with a

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Speaker 3: That doesn't long have to make a deal for the

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've spoken to a lot of people. It's a

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Speaker 7: You know, we had a lot of problems with you,

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Speaker 7: haven't we. No, they don't ask me a question. No,

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Speaker 7: they don't have to make a deal with me. When

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Speaker 7: Whether we have a deal or not irrelevant. Now it's

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Speaker 9: And when they already maybe in a long time from now,

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Speaker 2: I find this to be a very odd and problematic statement,

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Speaker 3: Good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: It's a prime time address that's gonna happen this evening.

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Speaker 2: And is he going to say, well, we're gonna we're

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Speaker 2: I don't know what he's going to say. But the

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Speaker 2: But they're all still radicals, and they can't have a

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 3: I'll let Europe clean up.

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Speaker 2: The straight of Hormves and get their act together, and

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Speaker 2: I'll continue to absolutely insult them and humiliate them until

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Speaker 2: UAE is in for this. The United Arab Emirates preparing

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Speaker 3: The story is over there at the Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 3: They're entering the fray now.

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Speaker 2: Their lobbying for a UN Security Council resolution that would

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Speaker 3: How did those wicked Israelis? You know, the.

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Speaker 2: Jews when you spell it with seventeen, the more o's

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Speaker 2: absolutely true. That it's absolutely true. So tonight, as we're

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Speaker 2: Or they could just give up this non sense bullcraft

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Speaker 3: Why not the honest with the twenty two year old audience.

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Speaker 3: You could just, I don't know, admit that you're wrong.

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Speaker 2: And the people who were guiding you were the worst

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Speaker 3: Touch you and would rather bang the secretary.

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Speaker 3: More or get married? And there were four choices.

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Speaker 2: Laws should be changed, women need to change, the culture

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Speaker 2: needs to change. Nothing I'm done. Coming in fourth place

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Speaker 2: was laws should be changed, and I'm not sure what

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Speaker 2: laws you would change there, but okay, seventeen and a

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Speaker 2: half percent. The culture needs to change, twenty six point

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Speaker 2: three percent, Women need to change twenty seven point nine percent,

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Speaker 2: and at twenty eight point three percent, nothing I'm done. Well, okay,

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Speaker 2: then nothing I'm done. That creates a very very large

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Speaker 2: scale issue. Maybe maybe stop hating men, and then men

447
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Speaker 2: looking for a sense of belonging won't follow loser schmucks

448
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Speaker 2: like Nick Fointes. And then maybe people like Megan Kelly

449
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: and Candace Ollen's and Tucker Carlson so desperate for a click,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't say I'm going to forego anything I ever believed

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Speaker 2: in in order to grab this audience right here because

452
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Speaker 2: it means longevity. Maybe, and then you wouldn't hear them

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Speaker 2: talking about how Israel manipulated Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Oh, just manipulated.

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Speaker 2: They manipulated Donald Trump, and they manipulated the UAE.

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Speaker 3: Sure, Megan, Sure, listen.

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Speaker 2: Nothing's going to take away from the crap job you

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Speaker 2: did moderating the debate the first time Trump ran for president.

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Speaker 2: Nothing that's on your permanent record. But as for the

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Speaker 2: war in Iran, well, it continues to pace, it does.

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Speaker 2: We see continued a movement, and you see that the

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Speaker 2: president has been very very aggressive towards these European nations

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Speaker 2: and making the statement of where in the world are you,

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Speaker 2: Where in the world are you? How come you're not

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Speaker 2: doing more here? Now this brings up a whole NATO conversation,

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Speaker 2: but I'm going to get to that in a little bit.

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Speaker 2: You then heard from people like Kiir Starmer, who is

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Speaker 2: the British Prime Minister, saying that we are going to

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Speaker 2: make moves to help reopen the Strait. But be clear,

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Speaker 2: this isn't our war. Okay, it's it's not your war.

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Speaker 3: It's not your war. It's not your war. What am

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Speaker 3: I supposed to tell you it is your war? If

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Speaker 3: you say it's not your war, it's not your war.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I'm the guy who said

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Speaker 2: that from the beginning, that you cannot expect Britain or

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Speaker 2: France or anybody else to get involved when you didn't

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Speaker 2: bring them in at the beginning, when you didn't bring

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Speaker 2: them in to be part of the initial attacks. They

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Speaker 2: don't want to be seen as coming to the party late.

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Speaker 2: They don't want want that. These leaders want to be

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Speaker 2: seen as as being leaders. They want to be seen

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Speaker 2: as being strong. President Trump said, hey, it's your oil,

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Speaker 2: Go get it your upsete, which I feel buy it

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Speaker 2: from user, Go get your oil. You what do you want?

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Speaker 2: What do you expect? Now, Great Britain didn't do what

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Speaker 2: France did. France did not allow the United States to

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Speaker 2: fly over. They didn't allow us to utilize their airspace.

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Speaker 2: The Israelis are infuriated. So not only do you have

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Speaker 2: France recognizing Palestinian statehood, because Emmanuel mac cron is just

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Speaker 2: the kind of guy to recognize Palaestadian statehood, which is

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Speaker 2: to say, hey, let's reward terrorists who murdered twelve hundred

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Speaker 2: people on October seventh. That's what he did. It'spain did,

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Speaker 2: disgusting stuff. But there's also a lot of work that's

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Speaker 2: done on a military side. Things that are procured by

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Speaker 2: Israel from France. So Israel is stopping it because they

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Speaker 2: wouldn't let the US fly over, and some of those

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Speaker 2: things were headed to Israel as a bit of replenishment.

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Speaker 2: The director of the Director General of the Israel Ministry

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Speaker 2: of Defense man, if I could talk, i'd be dangerous.

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Speaker 2: The Director General of the Israel Ministry of Defense, Major

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Speaker 2: General Amir Bram, has decided to reduce all defense procurement

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Speaker 2: from France to zero, replacing it with domestic Israeli procurement

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Speaker 2: or purchases from Allied countries.

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Speaker 3: Goodnes right, what we said yesterday.

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Speaker 2: What I said yesterday was that France has to suffer

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Speaker 2: for this decision.

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Speaker 3: Now you say to me, Tony, what about the Italians?

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Speaker 3: And other people are like, well, what did the Italians do?

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Speaker 2: So this is a weird, weird story because it's not

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Speaker 2: that the Italians are walking it back. I used that

511
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Speaker 2: expression earlier. That's not the best expression. They're trying to

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Speaker 2: explain it. There were some B two bombers that were

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Speaker 2: looking to land in Sicily at a base in Sicily,

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Speaker 2: whether it was refueling or whatever it was, and the

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Speaker 2: response they got was, yeah, we don't have the clearance

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Speaker 2: for this. You can't land here. I know you don't

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Speaker 2: have the clearance. We're gonna land? What are you talking crazy?

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Speaker 2: We have a clearance? Well, we didn't get word from Rome,

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Speaker 2: so you can't land here. Is it possible it's a

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Speaker 2: communication error. This person didn't talk to that person and

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Speaker 2: talk to the other person and talk to your mother,

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Speaker 2: didn't put things out, didn't pick up the semaphores.

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Speaker 3: Sure, absolutely, it's possible. It's possible.

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Speaker 2: And if I'm Georgia Maloney, I am all about leaning

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Speaker 2: into that. I am all about leaning into that, because

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Speaker 2: the last thing she wants is the problem with the US.

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Speaker 2: She knows that a bunch of these European nations are ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: She's trying to keep that relationship going, but not allowing

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Speaker 2: them to land was bad move. They're trying to cover

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Speaker 2: the tracks. I don't see Italy as I see France

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Speaker 2: in this case, and maybe we'll give them the benefit

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Speaker 2: of doubt. But dear Lord, these nations that don't want

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Speaker 2: to work, that don't want to work in their own interest,

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Speaker 2: well that's ridiculous. They want to work against us. That's

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Speaker 2: something different. What's the President going to say tonight? I

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Speaker 2: have no idea, but he's got to be able to

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Speaker 2: make it clean and coherent. We'll find out. This is

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, a story out of Virginia about an

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Speaker 2: illegal immigrant. I know what you're saying, Tony, that is shocking. Well, no,

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Speaker 2: it's not. Neither are the details. It seems the details

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Speaker 2: lead us to a place about an illegal immigrant arrested

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Speaker 2: for murder in Fairfax County. Fairfax County, Virginia, seems very

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Speaker 2: intent on being the epicenter of being the worst place

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Speaker 2: in America, which is kind of insane, because that's what

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Speaker 2: Newark is for throwing throwing shade at Newark. You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: The local ABC affiliate. They're saying that this guy from

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Speaker 2: Guatemala enter the United States illegally in an unknown place

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Speaker 2: in time, charged with second degree murder for killing a

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Speaker 2: man with a machete. And this is the same place

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Speaker 2: with the same governor, Abigail Spamburger, who doesn't feel the

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Speaker 2: need to listen to ice detainers and won't turn people over.

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Speaker 2: Now I ask you, this guy has a kid American citizen,

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Speaker 2: and therefore he also gets to stay. You say to me, Tony,

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Speaker 2: that's not fair, and I'll say to you answer the question,

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Speaker 2: I'm Tony.

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Speaker 1: Katz, lie from Vall Heartbland and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 1: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: Are we witnessing the slow end of NATO in the

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Speaker 2: North Atlantic Treaty Organization? Well, the answer is I don't

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Speaker 2: think so. But maybe the answer is I'd find it

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Speaker 2: hard to believe, hard to believe that the United States

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Speaker 2: would be willing to walk that there isn't more lost

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Speaker 2: that would be gained by walking away, but changes to

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Speaker 2: NATO and a real look at these NATO nations that

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Speaker 2: were able to take advantage of the United States for

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Speaker 2: decades depending on US for their defense while they spent

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Speaker 2: no money towards their defense, and saying that ship has sailed.

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Speaker 2: And for those of you listening intently, I said ship

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Speaker 2: with a p.

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Speaker 3: Tony Kats.

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats today, guys, good to be here, Good to

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Speaker 2: be with you. Eight three to three four six eight

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Speaker 2: eight sixty sixty nine eight three three got Tony.

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Speaker 3: Live streaming on YouTube. Come join the chat room.

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Speaker 2: There is punch and pie, and I have no idea

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Speaker 2: if there's punch and pie, but you can join the chatroom.

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Speaker 2: And don't forget to like and subscribe and find the

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Speaker 2: podcast where every ding is you get your podcasts, look

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Speaker 2: for Tony Kats Today, subscribe and then send it to

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Speaker 2: a friend to subscribe.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: It started with the whole two percent conversation, well, really

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Speaker 2: started with the conversation of Germany with the Europe What

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Speaker 2: are you doing? You're gonna get rid of nuclear and

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Speaker 2: then you're gonna take your energy in terms of as

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Speaker 2: natural gas from Russia which you're concerned about attacking you

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Speaker 2: and we have to put up for your defense.

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Speaker 3: Get bent. Started with that.

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Speaker 2: It started with that, Now everybody's got to pay the

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Speaker 2: two percent of their GDP.

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Speaker 3: How dare you make us two percent?

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Speaker 2: Two percent of the GDP towards NATO.

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Speaker 3: That's the deal. Oh, now we're all paying two percent

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Speaker 3: to make it five percent? Shall we?

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Speaker 2: But nothing signified to Europe that they had to make

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Speaker 2: moves for themselves, or at least I thought then watching

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden regarding Ukraine and.

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Speaker 3: To see that when it came to keeping.

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Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin at bay.

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Speaker 9: The.

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Speaker 2: United States was not able to do it. But see

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Speaker 2: the United States would have been totally able to do it.

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Speaker 2: So I should rephrase and we should be more clear.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden wasn't able to do it. Right there, we

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Speaker 2: go much better, much better, much better. Joe Biden was

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Speaker 2: not competent, was not capable, not by any stretch.

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Speaker 3: And that's when I said, and I said it right

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Speaker 3: here on the show.

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Speaker 2: Show, you're going to start seeing European nations start being

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Speaker 2: very very concerned about their safety and security and start

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Speaker 2: doing something about it, start actually engaging in it, start

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Speaker 2: asking themselves what is it that we need to do here?

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Speaker 2: And so that's when you really saw this more. Hey,

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Speaker 2: we have to depend on ourselves, and what we need

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Speaker 2: is the United States to be there, because you still

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Speaker 2: desperately need the United States for our strength and our capability,

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Speaker 2: our capacity which was only built by capitalism.

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Speaker 3: Thank you everybody.

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Speaker 2: But they have to more rely on themselves, and that's

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Speaker 2: what I expected. Then we see this with around now.

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Speaker 2: I said it before, I said it the other day,

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Speaker 2: I say it again, and I believe that my argument

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Speaker 2: to sound. No one should be surprised that none of

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Speaker 2: these NATO nations are rushing to be a part of

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Speaker 2: what we're doing in Iran. Hey you started this, you

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Speaker 2: finish it.

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Speaker 10: Hey, oh.

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Speaker 2: You handle that they don't want to spend the money,

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Speaker 2: they don't want to have any risk, and most importantly,

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Speaker 2: they don't want to be seen as being dragged into

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Speaker 2: it like they're week to their people.

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Speaker 3: All politics are local. But then we had heard that.

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Speaker 2: The Royal Navy, because Trump started punching these countries in

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Speaker 2: the face, specifically Keir Starmer, this is not our war, this,

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Speaker 2: that and the other. Okay, we had heard and we

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Speaker 2: discussed this earlier this week, and maybe it was even

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Speaker 2: last week, that the Royal Navy, the UK was going

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Speaker 2: to lead a coalition to reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

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Speaker 3: Well, when is that happening? When does that happen?

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Speaker 2: I did a little bit of research here, and there

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Speaker 2: are plans that there's a plan to deploy a navy

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Speaker 2: vessel or commercial ship to serve as a mother ship

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Speaker 2: for autonomous uncrewed systems designed to detect and neutralized naval

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Speaker 2: minds in the strait. Wait, I'm sorry, we're gonna do

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Speaker 2: this via remote control?

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Speaker 3: Where are you? When does this happen? When do you

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Speaker 3: get started? How much planning do you need?

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Speaker 2: You don't think that the UK or a bunch of

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Speaker 2: other nations don't have in a drawer somewhere. They just

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Speaker 2: flip through the files like, oh, here's the straight of

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Speaker 2: horror moves Plano.

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Speaker 3: Do we need to update this at all? Now? Okay,

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Speaker 3: let's go. You don't think that's in a drawer somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Stop it? Can we please not be people who are

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Speaker 2: that naive? They're still not there And this led Trump

656
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Speaker 2: to the post that he put on Social Europe. You know,

657
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: we're disappointed in you the UK and others for not

658
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: being there for us. And if you're upset about what's

659
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: happening with the oil here, here's two things. First things First,

660
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: if you're upset that you're not getting your jet fuel,

661
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: buy it from us. We got plenty of jet fuel.

662
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: Come on down to Don Junior's Jet Fuel Rus. At

663
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Speaker 2: Don Junior's jet Fuel on r US, we've got jet fuel,

664
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: lots of jet fuel. Big jets, little jets, commercial jets,

665
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: all sorts of jets. You need jet fuel, We've got

666
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: jet fuel at Don Junior's Jet Fuel Rus.

667
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: Come on down.

668
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 2: No, wasn't Don Jiors. That'd be a good name. My mistake.

669
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Speaker 2: We'll sell you jet fuel. Otherwise, get your butts over

670
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: to the strait.

671
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 3: Open it up.

672
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: At your oil, go get it can't rely on us anymore.

673
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: What I said at the time was, well, that's.

674
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Speaker 3: Not the line.

675
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: That is not it can't rely on us anymore.

676
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: Are we changing everything that quickly?

677
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 10: Are we?

678
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: Are we really resetting the entire stage right there?

679
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,959
Speaker 3: From a post on social.

680
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: Media, well, I think it really denoted an anger and

681
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: a disgust. That anger and disgust got vocalized by Marco Rubio,

682
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: the sec Chief State and Marco Rubio the sex chaf

683
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: State was discussing how we need to re examine our relationship.

684
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: With NATO.

685
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 11: There's hundreds of billions of dollars over the years, trillions

686
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 11: of dollars, and all these American forces stationed in the region.

687
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 11: If we can only use it, we can in our

688
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 11: time of need. We're not going to be allowed to

689
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 11: use those bases. So I think there's no doubt. Unfortunately,

690
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 11: after this conflict is concluded, we are going to have

691
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 11: to re examine that relationship. We're going to have to

692
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 11: re examine the value of NATO and that alliance for

693
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 11: our country. Ultimately, that's a decision for the president to make,

694
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 11: and you'll have to make it.

695
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 3: We're going to.

696
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 11: Finish the job here. As I said, we're very very

697
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 11: close to achieving our objectives on all of these things

698
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 11: that I've outlined, But I do think, unfortunately, we are

699
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 11: going to have to re examine whether or not this

700
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 11: alliance that has served this country well for a while

701
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 11: is still serving that purpose or is it now become

702
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 11: a one way street where America is simply in a

703
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,479
Speaker 11: position to defend Europe. But when we need the help

704
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 11: of our allies, they're going to deny US basing rights

705
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 11: and they're going to deny us overflight. I think these

706
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 11: are very legitimate questions that we need to be asking,

707
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 11: and this are going to have to be very carefully

708
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 11: examined after this conflict is over.

709
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: You won't let us fly over France, you won't let

710
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: us base in Spain, whatever the bloody hack happened in Sicily,

711
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: and I think you're going to see larger scale apologies

712
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: from Georgia.

713
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Speaker 3: Maloney, I'm willing to believe it was a mistake. Okay, Well,

714
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: if that's the way you want it, what are we

715
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: doing here? What's the point of it all?

716
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: Understand that you would see a far different reaction, although

717
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: with Trump you could get a little bit of this,

718
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: if we were, if they hadn't stopped the flyover France

719
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: to get to other places they needed to go, if

720
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: Spain had not been so silly. I mean, this is

721
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: a country that has just fallen into the ugly You.

722
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if you'd have this. You see, it's

723
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: one thing not to help and leave it to us.

724
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: We're kind of used to that.

725
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: Now you want to get in our way. Oh honey, honey,

726
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: getting our way. I just I just won't do.

727
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 4: So.

728
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 3: Now you have the.

729
00:45:53,280 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: Question, the question of could we walk from NATO. I

730
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: will now continue from where I started. I would say

731
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: the odds are one in five. I would rank it

732
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: as high as twenty percent. If you've followed me for.

733
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Speaker 3: A while, I'm not I am not big on odds.

734
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: I'm always these very very small numbers. So for me,

735
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: twenty percent is massive. The idea of being out of

736
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: NATO by Trump's by the end of Trump's terms, it's

737
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: a hard one to fathom.

738
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 3: And the reason it's a hard one to.

739
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: Fathom because you are discussing unraveling a whole series of things.

740
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: Does the end of America's participation in NATO? Never mind,

741
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: by the way, how you legally do that, which I

742
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: mean we could do just by doing it, But it

743
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: how do we unroll certain things? What does this mean

744
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: for supply chains, all hosts of subjects? What does it

745
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: mean for other relationships that? Well, if you do that,

746
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: then these nations do this, and.

747
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: How does that right? How does that do no fall?

748
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 3: And how far do the domino's fall? So let us

749
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: be considered.

750
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: So let's not think of it as actually walking, and

751
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 2: let's think of it as conceptual. What is it that

752
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State would want? Well, what

753
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: if part of.

754
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 3: It is a re let We use.

755
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: The word recertification, but I don't mean there's actually any certification,

756
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: a recertification of America's dominance and everybody else understanding it. Now,

757
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: some people might think that that's rude, and look at us,

758
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 2: we're so authoritarian.

759
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 3: Those people can kiss off.

760
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: Everyone has to understand that someone's in charge, not someone

761
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: in charges us. In the main, the reason that these

762
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: socialist nations or the socialist groups fall apart is that

763
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: you cannot get anything done if someone isn't in charge.

764
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 3: Someone has to make the.

765
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: Decision, and then the decision has to get carried out

766
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: so all these little groups I said social nations, I

767
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: really said social scroups. They have a hard time succeeding

768
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: is because no one's in charge. It's what makes the

769
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 2: ridiculousness of well, we're all going to be company owned.

770
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: We'll just take over these companies. We'll just take them

771
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: and we won't allow private ownership.

772
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: Well, that doesn't work. It doesn't work now.

773
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: It works when you are a nation, when you have

774
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: guns you can put in people's faces because there is

775
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: somebody in charge, and everybody else goes along with it

776
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: or dies. I don't think i've said anything new here

777
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: at all.

778
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: We are in charge.

779
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: If other nations and other people have an issue with that,

780
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: that's not something we should give a damn about.

781
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 3: We're in charge. Now.

782
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: You can be with us while we're in charge. You

783
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: could be over there while we're in charge. I don't

784
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: know what's gonna happen over there. I mean, best of

785
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: luck you see over there. That's not where we are.

786
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: We're over here. Not over there is over there. If

787
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: you want to be over there, you should get your

788
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 2: stuff and get over there. Then you can be over there.

789
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: We'll give you a wave and then we'll be like

790
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 2: how's everything going? And then you probably yell back kind

791
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:40,479
Speaker 2: of sucks, and we'll yell back, huh, all right, we're

792
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: gonna have lunch now.

793
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 3: Later.

794
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,479
Speaker 2: So the idea of resetting that stage, I would argue,

795
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 2: is incredibly important and incredibly worthwhile. Part of resetting that

796
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: stage is the remind that you don't get to just

797
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: do anything you want, treat us any way you want,

798
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: and somehow we're.

799
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: Gonna take it.

800
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 2: Let me try it and put it in another way.

801
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: There are a lot of other women out there. We'll

802
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: find someone else. What do you think you're the only

803
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 2: woman I can sleep with? Ba Felicia enjoy growing old.

804
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 3: We're gonna go.

805
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: Leonardo DiCaprio this mother, and we're gonna find ourselves a

806
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: twenty three year old. Well, she'd have to be twenty

807
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: three because we've got to give her a couple of

808
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 2: years before we get.

809
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 10: Rid of her.

810
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 3: Move on to the next. I mean, it's DiCaprio rules.

811
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do?

812
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: I think that that there's a real there's a real

813
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: abuse taking place.

814
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: Now. Some of it is not abuse.

815
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: Some of it is totally understandable, and I shared that

816
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 2: some of it is just completely wrong.

817
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 3: Rants did completely completely wrong.

818
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: What Spain did completely wrong, and Marco Rubio's points is

819
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: dead on. It's one thing to say we're not going

820
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: to participate in that. It's another thing to prime prevent

821
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: us from participating in that. The last fifty years of

822
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: your existence is because we allowed it and you decided

823
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 2: to screw it all up with your mass immigration insanity.

824
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: So let's reset things. We're in charge, and you don't

825
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: tell us to.

826
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 3: Know on these things. That's why we're together, it's why

827
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 3: we have these treaties.

828
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 2: But if you don't want it anymore, okay, enjoy over there.

829
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure it'll be safe. I'm Tony Katz. This is

830
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: Tony Katz today. I'm getting ready to We're getting ready

831
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: to come back.

832
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 3: And I don't know. I was talking to producer landon me.

833
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 2: I'm telling Katz the show is Tony Katz today, and uh,

834
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Speaker 2: and I said I somehow I was talking about loop

835
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Speaker 2: looping and I said I looped to a loop to

836
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Speaker 2: it and he didn't know what that was. I said,

837
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Speaker 2: do you not know the song pop Goes the Weasel?

838
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: And he goes, oh, yeah, I know, Pop Goes the Weasel.

839
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: I said, no, no, no, not the not the not the

840
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: nursery rhyme. I'm talking about third base, And he goes,

841
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Speaker 2: what are you what kind of generational gap are we having?

842
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Speaker 2: Producer land in a very that.

843
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Speaker 3: You don't know.

844
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: One of the great songs in history mc search, Who

845
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 2: is like this insane rap like historian business guy like

846
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 2: laid groundwork for a ton of rappers.

847
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Speaker 3: You don't know this, dude? No, I'm sorry, I don't.

848
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: You don't know this song right here? So don't want And.

849
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 9: Then Louisa Lissie the empty pocket needs a refill.

850
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Speaker 12: It's got a spot with a list of complain its

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Speaker 12: started against phony.

852
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Speaker 2: Entertainers so we can make an hon that we won't

853
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Speaker 2: get sway, it's ninety one son boxls Gotta chick.

854
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Speaker 3: Peyton pittsp beacause if you don't know the song, Louise,

855
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Speaker 3: how do you not know that? I don't know, Tony?

856
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 3: What do they teach children today?

857
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 2: Not that?

858
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 3: Oh?

859
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Speaker 13: Oh?

860
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 2: And the guy doing the vanilla ice impression. It's so good,

861
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 2: it's so good.

862
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: How do you not know that? I feel like I've

863
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 3: really let you down, but the song was really good, though,

864
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Speaker 3: I will say, oh.

865
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Speaker 2: There there is it like like I I am no

866
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 2: certainly no expert in in in rap at all by

867
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: any stretch. But like, like Search, he's a really interesting

868
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: character and his history and and and re kind of

869
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: setting it early to it like front line about how

870
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: you set contracts and how you do like laid the

871
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 2: groundwork for a lot of guys. Super interesting dude. And

872
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: like I've seen him do videos and you know they'll

873
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: play a track. Hey, what's this like encyclopedic on music?

874
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: There are guys who can do that.

875
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't do that, but uh yeah, interesting, dude.

876
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 3: Interesting And that song is a is an absolute classic,

877
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 3: as the kids would say, a banger, and you didn't

878
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: know what it was. I really, I really did let

879
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 3: you down. I'm sorry. I feel bad, Search Man.

880
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 2: Let me tell you I'm just trying to educate the youth.

881
00:54:59,000 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 3: Man.

882
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: That's all I'm doing. That's all I'm doing. But if

883
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: you've ever got time, you can come on the show man.

884
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: That is a conversation. I would love to have music

885
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: then versus music now, contracts then versus now, how the

886
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: money works, how the money flows.

887
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 3: Where the opportunity is. Oh, just let us know, man,

888
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 3: we're all in. This is Tony kats today.

889
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 2: Three more things, Tony Katz, Tony Katz today.

890
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 3: Guys, good to be here, Good to be with you.

891
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 3: What are three more things?

892
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 2: I will gladly tell you these are stories that should

893
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: be front page news, but because there's so many things

894
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: going on right now in the country, they are not.

895
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: But I want to make sure you hear them.

896
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: Of course, we just heard this case regarding birthright citizenship.

897
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: Because you're born in the United States, are you a

898
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: citizen of the United States? It is a worthy and

899
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: worthwhile question, and I will tell you that Katanji Brown

900
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: Jackson did not disappoint as she was asking questions as

901
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 2: a Supreme Court justice can do.

902
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 3: Oh my god, she's a Supreme.

903
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: Court justice about birthright citizenship and the very idea of well,

904
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: just because you're in a place, does that make you

905
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: a citizen of the place?

906
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 3: And what say you, Justice Jackson?

907
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 4: I was thinking about this, and I think they see

908
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,479
Speaker 4: there are various sources that say this that you can have.

909
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 4: You obviously have permanent allegiance based on being born in

910
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 4: whatever country you're from. That's what everybody recognizes. But you

911
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 4: also have local allegiance when you are on the soil

912
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 4: of this other sovereign and I was thinking, you know,

913
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 4: I'm I you citizen and visiting Japan, And what it

914
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 4: means is that, you know, if I steal someone's wallet

915
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 4: in Japan, the Japanese authorities can arrest me and prosecute me.

916
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 4: It's allegiance, meaning can they control you as a matter

917
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 4: of law. I can also rely on them if my

918
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 4: wallet is stolen to you know, under Japanese law, go

919
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 4: and prosecute the person who has stolen it. So there's

920
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 4: this relationship based on even though I'm a temporary traveler,

921
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 4: I'm just on vacation in Japan, I'm still locally owing

922
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 4: allegiance in that scene.

923
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: Nope, nope, nope, no, no no. If that is the

924
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 2: definition of allegiance, well we're all in big trouble because

925
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: we've all been under the wrong thinking of what allegiance is.

926
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 3: But that isn't the definition of allegiance. If I steal

927
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: a wallet in.

928
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: Somebody else's country, I am subject to their rules and regulations.

929
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean I have an allegiance to them, nor

930
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 2: does it mean that I am domiciled there, nor does

931
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: it mean that I am a citizen of there.

932
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 3: It means I violated their laws and they are allowed.

933
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: To enforce their laws. Wow, that is extra extra special.

934
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 2: But then again, this was the justice who, when making

935
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 2: her arguments, decided to quote people and then realize, wait

936
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: a second, I don't know who I'm quoting.

937
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 5: Okay, well, what did wely?

938
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 4: What do we do with I mean, that's a debate,

939
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 4: and it's the discussion, very valid. But then we have

940
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 4: a subsequent debate between Psenden and Wade where the same

941
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 4: concept comes up and it becomes clear, at least from

942
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 4: Senator Wade's perspective, to that that's wrong. So Senator Fessenden,

943
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 4: and I'm not sure whether these are senators, I apologize,

944
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 4: says support.

945
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, you're quoting.

946
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: People that you want to utilize to make your case

947
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: against the solicitor generals, trying to make the case that

948
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 2: birthright citizenship is more than just being born in the US.

949
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: And then you're quoting senators and you don't actually know

950
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: if they're senators that you're quoting. Perfect, no, no, no, no, no.

951
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: I just want it known that I am ready to

952
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: be the next Supreme Court Justice of the United States

953
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: because clearly, not having any knowledge of the law is

954
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: absolutely okay, it's fine, no problem.

955
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 3: I'm all in. I'm ready.

956
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: And for those of you who don't know, I look

957
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: fantastic in a robe.

958
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 3: And you know how much I love a gabble.

959
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,919
Speaker 2: Then there is Spencer Pratt, and you say to me, Tony,

960
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: you just did a whole thing during the break. If

961
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: you guys missed it, I will share it with you.

962
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 2: I was talking about the band Third Base and the

963
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 2: song pop Goes the Wheel, which I was playing earlier.

964
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: I was doing a whole thing about it. Spencer Pratt

965
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: made his bones as a reality star on the show

966
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 2: The Hills. Now, I never watched The Hills a day

967
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 2: of my life. I was busy doing anything else, and

968
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: I'm thankful I never watched The Hills. I had to

969
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: go back and look up when it was from. It

970
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 2: was two thousand and seven to twenty ten. Spencer Pratt.

971
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 2: He was with Heidi montagu I don't know, Millennials know

972
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 2: these things, the reality stars. He's running for mayor of

973
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, and I'm sure plenty of people dismissed his candidacy,

974
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 2: and you know, here's a reality guy and all the

975
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: rest and just, oh, how silly he's really really politically adept,

976
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 2: I mean outrageously politically adept.

977
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 3: He is.

978
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,479
Speaker 2: He put this on his TikTok channel and he's being

979
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 2: interviewed by a news guy who's asking about how here

980
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 2: you are, Spencer Pratt, you want to assist ice and

981
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 2: this and that.

982
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 3: Well, isn't that going to be a problem?

983
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 2: You got such a Latino population here in Los Angeles.

984
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 3: So here's the question.

985
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: And then Pratt adds music to his answers, and he's

986
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 2: got some memes in there.

987
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 3: But check this out.

988
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 14: Saying on your podcast last week that you wouldn't hesitate

989
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 14: to join law enforcement yourself to go out there and

990
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 14: arrest immigrants with criminal records, to then take them to

991
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 14: the city limits and hand them over to federal agents.

992
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 14: As mayor, I'm curious, how would you sell that to

993
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 14: a population that is almost fifty percent Latina.

994
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 15: Well, it'd be racist to assume that because you're Latino,

995
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 15: you wouldn't want rapist murders, drug traffickers, child traffickers off

996
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 15: the streets.

997
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 3: Tattie churl.

998
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 15: What I'm saying is I'm going to work with the

999
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 15: federal government so they don't have to come into La

1000
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 15: I won't be necessary because as mayor, I will make

1001
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 15: sure the streets are safe with my labd work with

1002
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 15: the LA sheriffs and all even work with the cchp's.

1003
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 15: We have enough law enforcement in California to handle our

1004
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 15: own criminals.

1005
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 5: If we go after them, even if it were the

1006
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 5: state says I can, then I'll see the state.

1007
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 15: In court as well as If removing murderers, child traffickers,

1008
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 15: the rapists off the streets is a crime in LA,

1009
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 15: then we got bigger problems.

1010
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: And it ends with Spencer Pratt, La Mayor Mayor Prattpratt

1011
01:02:52,440 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: dot com. That is a really, really good respons that

1012
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 2: was polished. It was clear, it was understandable. But if

1013
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 2: you have not seen the ad, the uh the Sakabasura

1014
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: ad taking out the trash. He did this with AI

1015
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: and he created a song about the mayor of La,

1016
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 2: Karen Vass, who lets the trash piled up, the homeless

1017
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: pile up lets the city be on fire because of

1018
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 2: the palisades, and.

1019
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 3: She's nowhere to be found.

1020
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if he wrote the song and fed

1021
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: it into AI or got the song via AI. It

1022
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 2: is unbelievable and this is how this is the precursor

1023
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 2: ads are going to look like this. There's gonna be

1024
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: a lot of this going into twenty twenty eight.

1025
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 3: Food out.

1026
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 2: And he is pushing Karen Vass in a dumpster and

1027
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 2: talking about Latinos for Pratt six.

1028
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 3: It's crazy. My joint got into the trip.

1029
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 2: We off the map by the hills, caught by and

1030
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 2: she was puffing from a broad boy said go out

1031
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: to Dane folk in the sky.

1032
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 3: We were calling in and she was saying, oh, bye bye.

1033
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 2: So the firefighters can't get water because there is no water.

1034
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 2: She's out there shopping and traveling and having a good time,

1035
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 2: and La looks like a disaster zone and all the

1036
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,919
Speaker 2: tents and the homeless and everything else. And here comes

1037
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 2: Spencer Pratt running up through the street and he's gonna

1038
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 2: clean up the streets and he's gonna dance with his

1039
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 2: wife and everyone's gonna feel good. Well, Karen Vass does

1040
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 2: nothing but travel and support communism world come coming.

1041
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 3: Nowhere to move, just studying that.

1042
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 16: But every single pot holes still attact my fires flat.

1043
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 3: It's incredible, It is incredible.

1044
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: If you saw the Sean Spicer show yesterday where I

1045
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 2: was filling in as host and we do a thing

1046
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: winners and losers, and my winner was Spencer Prat for

1047
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 2: this video.

1048
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

1049
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 2: It is savvy, it is smart, it is well presented,

1050
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 2: it connects, it's authentic.

1051
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 3: He can win this. He can absolutely win this. And

1052
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 3: the other.

1053
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 2: Story, Oh, I'm gonna get yelled at. That's fine, you

1054
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 2: can get yelled at. It's okay, Tony, You're strong, strong

1055
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 2: leg bull. It's that Pete hag Seth is wrong. This

1056
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: is the Kid Rock story. Kid Rock's got a place

1057
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 2: in Nashville. I guess it's on a bit of a

1058
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 2: mountain and he's got himself one of those Infinity pools

1059
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 2: and it looks out over the some hills and he's

1060
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: hanging out and all of a sudden, there's two Apache helicopters, Yeah,

1061
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 2: Apache Attack helicopters, and they're just hovered right around his

1062
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 2: place like they're giving them a wave, and he's giving

1063
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 2: them a wave and everybody's waving and he posted the

1064
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 2: videos like how cool is this? God bless America and

1065
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 2: all those who made the ultimate sacrifice to defender.

1066
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 3: Well. The Army is like, I'm sorry, what now, I'm sorry?

1067
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 3: What is this?

1068
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 2: They're aware of this video. They announce it, they're aware

1069
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 2: of it, that Army aviators mustn't hear district safety standards, professionalism,

1070
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 2: and established flight regulations.

1071
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 3: And Trump was.

1072
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 2: Like, well, I'm sure they had a good time, and

1073
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 2: then said they probably shouldn't have been doing it. The

1074
01:06:55,720 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 2: Army launches a review. Then you hear that the aircrew

1075
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 2: have been suspended until Pete haig set the Secretary of

1076
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 2: War Secretary of Defense says no suspension, pilot suspension lifted,

1077
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: no punishment, no investigation.

1078
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 3: Carry on, patriots. I don't know how.

1079
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 2: Active military would look at it and might be like,

1080
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 2: you know what, give them a break.

1081
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 3: It's fine, let's move on with our day.

1082
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 2: As I see it, the amount of things that could

1083
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 2: have gone wrong were so great and so massive.

1084
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 3: That this is not the kind of thing that we do.

1085
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 2: We're in the middle of a war. Don't you screw

1086
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 2: around for a damn second. You be ready to go,

1087
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 2: and you spend your days, your night's, your weekends, you're

1088
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 2: waking hours, you're sleeping hours, being ready to go. And

1089
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 2: I think that Hegseth made a very very large mistake here,

1090
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 2: and he should have held them to account. Don't be

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Speaker 2: flying by people's houses in apache attack helicopters to.

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Speaker 3: Give him a wave.

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Speaker 2: No, no, simply don't allow that to happen.

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Speaker 3: It's just that easy.

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Speaker 2: And I think heg Seth should have been far harsher.

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01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 2: It should have been investigated, There should have been suspension.

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01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 2: It didn't have to be the end of a career.

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01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 2: But this is not the stuff we do.

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Speaker 3: You hold the.

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01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 2: Standard, you hold the line. You're sending people into harm's way.

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01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 2: Hold the line and demand better. Because you're not going

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01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 2: to demand better, don't tell us you're demanding better. Don't

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01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 2: make that mistake again, Secretary, because it was a mistake,

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01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 2: and I don't want you making mistakes that keep you

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01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 2: from being able to have us having the best fighting

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01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 2: force available, focused and ready.

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Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 2: Do you have the birthright citizenship case that was heard

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Speaker 2: today by the Supreme Court. The President was there, he

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Speaker 2: was there for the arguments made by the Solicitor General.

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, And as I learned from some people

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Speaker 2: who are regular court observers, it's not strange for people

1114
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 2: to move in and out and for the guest gallery

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01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 2: to every ten minutes, have a clearing out and other

1116
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 2: people moving in to see the proceedings. So the President

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01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 2: was there, and then after the Solicitor General was done,

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Speaker 2: he left, and Representative Susie Lee. I'm not familiar with

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01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 2: Representative Susie Lee, but I think everyone's about to be

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Speaker 2: really familiar with representatives Susie Lee. She decided to tweet out,

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Speaker 2: so blanking, blanked up. I pray they blank him to

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Speaker 2: his face. Sorry, I say blank a lot these days.

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Speaker 2: That's Representative Susie Lee. She cares about your kids. She deleted,

1124
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh, I believe I've touched a nerve. Well,

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Speaker 2: my nerve was touched by the attacks on our constitution,

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01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 2: its separation of powers.

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01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 3: I took an oath to protect and defend it.

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Speaker 2: The President showed up to hear the Supreme Court, and

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01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court rules one way.

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01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 3: He'll do one thing, and he rules another way, he'll

1131
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 3: do another way.

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01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 2: The idea that this somehow is a violation is so ridiculous.

1133
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 2: It's embarrassing. The Left is embarrassing, and it's not tough.

1134
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 2: All the cursing, it's just not tough.

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01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 3: It's weak.

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01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 2: It's silly. But we have larger problems because we seem

1137
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 2: to have an entire generation that doesn't know much.

1138
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 3: Now. I believe this was a setup.

1139
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 2: I believe that this video right here is an absolute

1140
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 2: setup where this guy is in a crowd of people

1141
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 2: protesting and it's like, hey, how come we are we

1142
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 2: talking about this strait of Hormuz and.

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Speaker 16: Not isn't it a little bit homophobics that was so

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01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 16: focused on the straits of Homus and not the gaze.

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Speaker 3: Of as I agree, yes, for sure.

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Speaker 16: Why do you think something to leave the gaze of

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01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 16: Hamus behind?

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01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,759
Speaker 15: I think it's just history.

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01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 2: Historically, like you know, gays have always been very discriminated against.

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01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 2: That's not real, right, Yeah, probably is. Keep it here

1151
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 2: to Tony Katz today.

1152
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: Why from Dall Hartliner and the Crossroads of America. It's

1153
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

1154
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 2: The birthright citizenship case is on Tony Katz.

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01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 3: Tony Katz today, guys, good to be here, Good to

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01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 3: be with you.

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01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 2: The Supreme Court hearing the case, which, in my view,

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01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,719
Speaker 2: in many many people's views, it centers around the fourteenth

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01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 2: Amendment to the Constitution, and the fourteenth Amendment reads in

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01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 2: section one, all persons born are naturalized in the United

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01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 2: States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Are citizens of

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01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 2: the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

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Speaker 2: The issue here is how could somebody who is here

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Speaker 2: illegally be subject to the jurisdiction thereof. They are not

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01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 2: citizens of the United States. There is no possibility that

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Speaker 2: they could be subject to the jurisdiction thereof. And this,

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01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 2: for me has constantly been the conversation piece when we

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01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,600
Speaker 2: talk about people being born here immediately being citizens. And

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Speaker 2: you've heard the expression of the term many many times

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Speaker 2: anchor babies. Well, we have our baby in the United States,

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Speaker 2: and therefore we get to stay. We get to stay,

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Speaker 2: We get to stay our American citizens and kids American citizens.

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Speaker 2: Lah lah lah lah lah.

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Speaker 3: Now give us things, you know.

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Speaker 2: It was Milton friedmanymist who argued that if we didn't

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Speaker 2: give out any benefits whatsoever, then it wouldn't matter who

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Speaker 2: came into the country. Now, he was not correct on that,

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Speaker 2: because you could still have plenty of people who are dangerous,

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Speaker 2: violent people who would be a problem for the country.

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Speaker 2: But his argument was predicated on an economic discussion piece,

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Speaker 2: which is, if you weren't giving out any services whatsoever,

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Speaker 2: you weren't paying anything to people for being in the

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Speaker 2: country illegally. What would actually be the issue economically right?

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Speaker 3: That was the argument.

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Speaker 2: One of the few places where I believe Milton Freeman

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Speaker 2: got it wrong because it wasn't enough of a large

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Speaker 2: scale conversation. But this is now the argument in front

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Speaker 2: of the Supreme Court. This birthright citizenship case is there.

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Speaker 2: And President Trump, as you know, all sorts of invested

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Speaker 2: in this case, wanting to under wanting to get this done.

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Speaker 2: He had put out the executive Order and this case

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01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 2: is Trump versus Barbara, which is the challenge to this.

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Speaker 3: Executive order in twenty twenty five. One of the first

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Speaker 3: things he signs.

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Speaker 2: To end birthright citizenship. That's what this case is. So

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Speaker 2: it starts with the Solicitor General. It starts with Judge Sour,

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Speaker 2: not Judge sorry, the Solicitor General Sour making his case.

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Speaker 5: As to anybody else. And in eighteen eighty four.

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Speaker 6: This Court recognize that subject of the jurisdiction means owing

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01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 6: direct and immediate allegiance. The clause thus does not extend

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01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 6: citizenship to the children of temporary visa holders or illegal aliens,

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Speaker 6: Unlike the newly freed slaves, those visitors lack direct and

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Speaker 6: immediate allegiance to the United States.

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Speaker 5: For aliens, lawful domicile.

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Speaker 6: Is the status that creates the requisite allegiance, and the

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01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 6: text of the clause presupposes domicile for decades following the clauses.

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Speaker 6: Adoption commentators recognize that the children of temporary visitors are

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Speaker 6: not citizens, and illegal aliens lack the legal capacity to

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Speaker 6: establish domicile here. Unrestricted birthright citizenship contradicts the practice of

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Speaker 6: the overwhelming majority of modern nations. It demeans the priceless

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01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 6: and profound gift of American citizenship. It operates as a

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Speaker 6: powerful poll factor for illegal immigration and rewards illegal aliens

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Speaker 6: who not only violate the immigration laws but also jump

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Speaker 6: in front.

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Speaker 5: Of those who follow the rules.

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Speaker 6: It has spawned a sprawling industry of birth tourism, as

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01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 6: uncounted thousands of foreigners from potentially hostile nations have flocked

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01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 6: to give birth in the United States in recent decades,

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01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 6: creating a whole generation of American citizens abroad.

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Speaker 5: With no meaningful ties to the United States. I welcome

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Speaker 5: the Court's.

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Speaker 3: Questions, General Sauer.

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Speaker 10: Before we get into the broader national issues. Would you

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Speaker 10: start with dread Scott. Dread Scott was a case of

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01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 10: out of state citizenship.

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Speaker 2: Now, before we go any further, it must be understood

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Speaker 2: that until the death of Justice Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas,

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Speaker 2: who you're hearing from right there, didn't ask questions. He

1229
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 2: was famous for not asking questions. A brilliant jurist. The

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01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 2: biggots who don't like him are and d biggots, starting

1231
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 2: with Joe Biden, going back to his confirmation hearing, going

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01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 2: back to Clarence Thomas's confirmation hearing when he referred to

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01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 2: it as a high tech lynching, and he was right.

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Speaker 2: He never asked questions. And his theory was, I'd heard

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01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 2: this a couple times. Anthony Sclee is gonna ask all

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01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 2: the right questions. What do I need to bother for

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01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 2: It's only a recent thing, since the death of Scalia

1238
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 2: that he has started interjecting. He doesn't always, so the

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01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 2: fact that he starts that he's on it, that he's

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01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 2: got like, okay, hey, let's go with this. That's that's

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01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 2: a big deal. And starting with dred Scott, a decision

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01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 2: at the Supreme Court got very very very wrong dread

1243
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 2: Scott case trying to basically sue for his own freedom.

1244
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 2: He starts there and says, Okay, let's ask this question.

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Speaker 10: The diversity case on the and of course we know

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01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 10: what Chief Justice Tawny did with that. How does the

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01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 10: citizenship clause respond specifically to dread Scott and answers are

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01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 10: changes or corrects? That's answer as to citizenship. The other

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01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 10: point is the citizenship clause refers not just to national

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01:17:54,280 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 10: citizenship but also to state citizenship. Are we to have

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01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 10: two different definitions for those? It's one word citizens of

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01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:11,959
Speaker 10: the United States and citizens of the state wherein they reside.

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Speaker 10: So as you begin, I'd like you to go back

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Speaker 10: at the beginning and be more specific about the answer.

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Speaker 10: And I want you to explain whether or not those

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01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 10: two definitions are the same or related and what the

1257
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 10: state citizenship is based on.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Justice Thomas. I'll maybe start by addressing dread Scott.

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Speaker 6: You know, as you alluded to the fact, dread Scott,

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Speaker 6: you know, impose one of the worst injustices in the

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Speaker 6: history of this court.

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Speaker 5: And it led to the outbreak of the Civil War.

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Speaker 6: It's very clear in this court, in all of its

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01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 6: early cases interpreting the forty amendments said, the one pervading purpose.

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Speaker 6: The main object of the citizenship clause is to overrule

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Speaker 6: dread Scott and establish the citizenship of the freed slaves.

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Speaker 6: And if you look at the debates in the CongressI

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Speaker 6: record and discussion surrounding the adoption of the citizenship clause,

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Speaker 6: what you see is a very clear understanding that the

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Speaker 6: newly freed slaves and their children have a relationship of domicile.

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Speaker 5: They do not have a relationship to any foreign power.

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Speaker 6: For example, there's a comment where it says, look, people

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Speaker 6: have been here for five generations and clearly have no

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Speaker 6: relationships to any foreign African potentate.

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Speaker 5: You know, have a relationship of allegiance to the United States.

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Speaker 6: And that reinforces our point that allegiance is what the

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01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 6: word jurisdiction means. It doesn't mean regulatory jurisdiction or you know,

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01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 6: or sort of being subject merely stubbed to the laws.

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01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 6: They're talking and they're thinking about it in those debates

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Speaker 6: about allegiance. Now, as to your second question, if you

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01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 6: look at the text of the clause, we believe there

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Speaker 6: it says, you know, born in the United State, born

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01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 6: or naturalized in the United States, and stubbed to the jurisdiction.

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Speaker 6: Thereof are citizens of the United States and the states of.

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Speaker 5: Which they resign.

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Speaker 6: So there's a constitutional guarantee that applies to both federal

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01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 6: or national and state citizenship. And the key point we

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01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 6: make there is that that word resign, if you look

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Speaker 6: at for example, section fourteen seventy three of Justice Stories Commentaries,

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Speaker 6: was understood.

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Speaker 5: To mean domicile.

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01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 6: So when they say subject to the jurisdiction, and then

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01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 6: they go on to say you're a citizen of the

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Speaker 6: United States and the state in which they reside, the

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01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 6: very text of the clause itself presupposes that the citizen

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Speaker 6: is domicile in the United States, if they're president of

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01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 6: the state at all they reside there. Reside means domicile

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Speaker 6: in the Constitution, and we think that strongly supports our interpretation.

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Speaker 6: It's textual evidence of our domicile based theory of jurisdiction.

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Speaker 3: Two things.

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Speaker 2: First, you have any idea how much guys like John Sower,

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01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 2: the Solicitor General of the United States, which means he's

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01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 2: argues the case for the nation for the administration, if

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Speaker 2: you will, in front of the Supreme Court. That's what

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Speaker 2: Solicitor generals do. In states, they have people who are

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Speaker 2: arguing in front of the Supreme Court. He has studied,

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Speaker 2: He has a team, and they have game played every

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Speaker 2: question they think that court might ask.

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Speaker 3: What does this justice usually think?

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Speaker 2: What is that justice usually think of it as like

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Speaker 2: game film for an NFL game or basketball game. They

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Speaker 2: have game played all of it. They know what's coming.

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Speaker 2: And what John Sower just said is that. And I

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Speaker 2: think he's setting up what will be the totality of

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Speaker 2: the administration's argument that we are having a contextual conversation

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Speaker 2: that the Constitution says what it says and doesn't say

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Speaker 2: what it doesn't say. It says domicile, it says to

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Speaker 2: be subject of the jurisdiction. How can you possibly be

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Speaker 2: subject to the jurisdiction if you do not reside domicile

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Speaker 2: within the jurisdiction. It's already there. This is the argument

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Speaker 2: being made now.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be very interesting to hear what the

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Speaker 3: progressive justices do.

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Speaker 2: It will certainly be interesting to hear how Kavanaugh or

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Speaker 2: Gorsetch or aman Cony Barrett asked the questions here, because

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Speaker 2: part of their job is to try and trip up

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Speaker 2: with the legal machinations with prior decisions from the court

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Speaker 2: as well. But for Kagan and Sotomayora, the leftists, certainly

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Speaker 2: there's going to be an argument for how dare you

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Speaker 2: treat people this way? Right, they lean left, and one.

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Speaker 3: Could assume this.

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Speaker 2: For Katanji Brown Jackson, it's just going to be a

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Speaker 2: freak show. And we're going to get into that. My

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Speaker 2: interview with William Jacobson of Legal insurrection dot com over

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Speaker 2: this conversion case conversion law conversion therapy case out of Colorado,

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Speaker 2: an eight one decision by the court where Katanji Brown

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Speaker 2: Jackson is the lone descent and she's attacking the leftist judges,

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Speaker 2: and Elena Kagan is in her response saying, yet, you

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01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 2: don't quite understand this case about whether or not a

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Speaker 2: therapist is allowed to say to a patient, hey, you're

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Speaker 2: not really a man.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about this.

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Speaker 2: Katanji Brown Jackson thinks you shouldn't be allowed to say

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Speaker 2: that as a therapist. Incredible stuff. But you just heard

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Speaker 2: sour response. Let's see what Justice Thomas does in response.

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Speaker 8: Well, starting with that theory, he moved right on byt

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Speaker 8: of weight on subject to the jurisdiction thereof to justice

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01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 8: robbers you give to support that strike me as very quirky.

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Speaker 8: You know, children of ambassadors, children of enemies during a

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Speaker 8: hostile invasion, children on warships, and then you expand it

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Speaker 8: to the whole class of illegal aliens are here in

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Speaker 8: the country. I'm not quite sure how you can get

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Speaker 8: to that big group from such tiny and sort of

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Speaker 8: idiosyncratic examples.

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Speaker 6: There are those sort of narrow exceptions for ambassador for

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Speaker 6: in public ships, tribal and needs enormous one that they

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Speaker 6: were very focused on in the debates as well.

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Speaker 5: But what I do is invite the court to look

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Speaker 5: at the intervening step.

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Speaker 6: Which is the enactment of the Civil Rights Act of

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Speaker 6: eighteen sixty six. And there they didn't say subject to

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Speaker 6: the jurisdiction thereof There it says not subject to any

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Speaker 6: foreign power. Now, if you go back to Blackstone and

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Speaker 6: Calvin's case, they say it does not matter if you

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Speaker 6: were subject to any foreign power.

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Speaker 3: If you were born in.

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Speaker 6: The king's domains, you have this indefeasible duty of allegiance

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Speaker 6: to the.

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Speaker 5: King at any time.

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Speaker 6: So there's a clear repudiation in the Civil Rights Act.

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Speaker 6: The Civil Rights Act is this breakwater which makes it

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Speaker 6: very very clear that they are not thinking about allegiance

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Speaker 6: in the terms of like the British common law. They've

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Speaker 6: adopted the Republican conception of allegiance, so it's from not

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Speaker 6: subject to any foreign power. And then the debates just

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Speaker 6: a couple months later make it very clear that they're

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Speaker 6: recodifying the same conception. They were dissatisfied with the potential

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Speaker 6: ambiguity in the phrase indians not tax and they adopted

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Speaker 6: subedct to the jurisdiction there up. And one of the

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Speaker 6: strongest statements of this is Senator Trumbull statements that quoted

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Speaker 6: at the beginning, where he says he's asked for what

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Speaker 6: does that mean sub to the jurisdiction they're us and

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Speaker 6: he says, it means not owing allegiance to anybody else.

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Speaker 5: That is what it means. And this court picked up

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Speaker 5: on that, and hell can against Wilkins when.

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Speaker 6: It says, use this, you know, completely subjects to the

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Speaker 6: political jurisdiction, not marry regulatory jurisdiction.

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Speaker 13: What do you do with Wang kim ARC's quote of

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01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:10,839
Speaker 13: Daniel Webster who said, independently of a residence with intention

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Speaker 13: to continue such residents independently of any dominciliation, independently of

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Speaker 13: the taking of any oath of allegiance or renouncing any

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Speaker 13: former allegiance.

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Speaker 5: It is well known that by.

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Speaker 13: The public law, a non citizen, while he is here

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Speaker 13: in the United States, owes obedience to this country's laws. Now,

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Speaker 13: the examples that wang are Kim used as exceptions are

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Speaker 13: situations in which there was not temporary allegiance to the

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Speaker 13: United States. The children of foreign diplomats whose ownly allegiance.

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Speaker 5: Was to their foreign.

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Speaker 13: To their foreign country, and or occupied territory residents, including

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Speaker 13: those citizens in Maine who had been occupied by the

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Speaker 13: Britishish forces, the US had no control over them. And

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Speaker 13: the whole theory of the Indian tribes was similar. The

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01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 13: Indian tribes were analogized to foreign diplomats. So what do

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Speaker 13: we do with that, I'd say two things.

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Speaker 6: First, as the Indian tribes, we think that's a case

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Speaker 6: that strongly supports us, because, of course, by eighteen sixty

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Speaker 6: six and eighteen sixty eight, there were strong understanding that

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Speaker 6: the Indian tribes were subject to the United States as

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Speaker 6: regulatory jurisdic.

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Speaker 13: But not the same way that temporary foreigners were, Meaning

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Speaker 13: there was a real debate going on whether the US

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Speaker 13: actually had jurisdiction over the Indian tribes.

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Speaker 5: That's why our cases for the.

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Speaker 13: Longest time until that was finally settled, said absence some

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Speaker 13: act of Congress, there is our laws don't apply. US

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Speaker 13: laws don't apply to Indians on Indian lands.

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Speaker 5: Correct.

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Speaker 6: I believe you look at the Rogers decision, for example,

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Speaker 6: that we sign our brief.

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Speaker 5: We're where they say that they are subject.

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Speaker 3: To that later I'm talking at the time.

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Speaker 5: Yes, at the time, so we asked eighteen so.

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Speaker 13: What do you do during the debates of the eighteen

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Speaker 13: sixty six Civil Rights Act and of the fourteenth Amendment,

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Speaker 13: with the entire discussion of the people who opposed the amendment,

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Speaker 13: who kept saying, we can't pass it because we're making

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Speaker 13: citizens of gypsies will have no allegiance to anybody, and.

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Speaker 3: We're not we're going to.

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Speaker 13: Make citizens of the Chinese people who can't be citizens

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Speaker 13: because we're not going to permit them to be citizens.

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Speaker 13: What do we do with those debates and the fact

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Speaker 13: that the proponents of both acts said everyone who's born

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Speaker 13: in the US will be citizens.

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Speaker 6: First, as that particular change Page twenty eight ninety the

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Speaker 6: Congressional record from eighteen sixty six, Senator Cowan gives this

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Speaker 6: gurlinly racist statement where he says that and what.

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Speaker 5: Does he say right at the be any of that

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Speaker 5: that sort of offensive speech.

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Speaker 6: He says, he says, we can't have children of gypsies,

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01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 6: children of Chinese immigrants, we can't have them become citizens.

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Speaker 6: And he says, quote, have they any more rights than

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Speaker 6: a sojourner in the United States. So he's trying to

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Speaker 6: persuade the Republicans to his view by appealing to a

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01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 6: common understanding that sojourners do not have children who become citizens.

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Speaker 6: How powerful evidence there that everybody understood this to you know,

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01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 6: not sweep in the temporary sojourner. And that's why you

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01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 6: see for forty fifty years you see every commentator who

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01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 6: addressed this specific question of temporary presence saying it's not

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Speaker 6: covered by the clause.

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Speaker 5: Including for death.

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Speaker 2: Now, if this is going to be the progressives push that, well,

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01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 2: we've got these moments of when this came into effect,

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Speaker 2: of how would we have handled how those things still

1455
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 2: not apply. It's an argument, and you can see that

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01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 2: the argument will come back to throughout history we have

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01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 2: said this thing that's domiciled matters, that citizenship matters, that

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Speaker 2: proveability matters, and this is going to be the crux

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Speaker 2: of the case. And yes, President Trump is in attendance.

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Speaker 2: He's there at the Supreme Court watching this go down

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Speaker 2: because he signed the executive order back in January twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five that.

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Speaker 3: Leads us to this place. I'm Tony Katz. This is

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: So Indiana moves first when it comes to commercial driver's

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Speaker 2: licenses for legal aliens. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good

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Speaker 2: to be with you. This is my state and the

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Speaker 2: law is now in effect as of today.

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Speaker 3: About it.

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Speaker 2: You cannot give an illegal alien commercial driver's license.

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Speaker 3: I know what you're saying. You mean you could before.

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Speaker 2: There is a lot to dig into there about what

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Speaker 2: is happening all across the country. How many illegal aliens

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01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 2: are getting commercial driver's license? What were the penalties for

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01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 2: these trucking schools or Departments of Motor Vehicle here in

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Speaker 2: Indiana's Bureau Motor Vehicles issuing these kinds of things. Todd

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Speaker 2: Rakeda is the Attorney General of Indiana. I had him

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Speaker 2: on my morning show and he explained the legislation pretty simple.

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Speaker 12: Look, you remember back at the Say of the Union

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Speaker 12: when President Trump said, hey, illegal alien truck drivers should

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Speaker 12: have their licenses revoked. Well, Indiana is the first state

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01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 12: in the Union to do that. You did it with

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01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 12: good reason. First of all, in the town next to

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01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 12: me is a fellow named Terry who literally got run

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01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 12: over by an illegal alien truck driver. So there's a

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Speaker 12: there's an immediate revocation of the CDL. And then prospectively,

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01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 12: so going forward, the BMV is to work with ICE

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01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 12: to make sure that list stays clean too. There's a

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Speaker 12: stronger English proficiency requirement for safety reasons in the CDLs.

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Speaker 12: And three, there's accountability from truck driving for truck driving.

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Speaker 3: Schools and for employers.

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Speaker 12: For example, employers could be fined, you know, and truck

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01:30:57,880 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 12: driving schools can be fined up to fifty thousand dollars

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01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 12: or if they knowingly employ an illegal alien.

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Speaker 10: That has a PDL.

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Speaker 2: How are they getting the CDL to begin with? How

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01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 2: are they getting the driver's license to begin with? And

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Speaker 2: finds it not enough, who goes to jail? I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: keep following up on this, not only in my statement,

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Speaker 2: what's going to happen across the country.

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Speaker 3: This is Tony Kats today.

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01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 2: I am well on record saying that Justice Katanji Brown.

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01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 3: Jackson is not good at her job. Now you can argue, Tony,

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01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 3: she knows more about.

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01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,600
Speaker 2: The law than you, And I'll say to you, yeah,

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01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 2: somebody who's seen more than three episodes of the People's

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01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 2: Court might know more about the law than I do. However,

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01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 2: when you see somebody rely on the crutch of I'm

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01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 2: just trying to understand what I don't understand.

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01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 3: Here's what I don't understand.

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01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 2: As she says constantly in her cases, when you see

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01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 2: someone who has been repeatedly, in my words, reprimanded by

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01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 2: other justices for her decisions, when you see even progressive

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01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 2: justices want to call them that in Lada Kagan and

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01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 2: Sonya Soto Mayor saying you don't quite understand what this.

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01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:05,639
Speaker 3: Case was about.

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01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 2: I am left at only one place, and in this

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01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 2: latest case regarded conversion therapy, I think she's engaging in

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01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 2: a level of contradiction of her own positions and opinions.

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: William Jacobson joins me right now, Cornell Law professor in

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01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 2: the mind behind legal insurrection dot Com. Now, Sir, I

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01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 2: don't ask you for any opinion giving on Katanji Brown Jackson.

1524
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:32,720
Speaker 3: That's for me to do. You can if you want.

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01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 2: I am not putting you on the spot there, but

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01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 2: rather I will discuss how she comes to decisions.

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Speaker 3: And we start with this latest.

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01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 2: The latest is this Colorado conversion ban right that you

1529
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 2: cannot discuss with somebody the idea of conversion therapy. Whether

1530
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 2: I agree with it or disagree with the concept of

1531
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 2: conversion therapy is inconsequential. What it comes down to, as

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01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 2: I understand it is the idea that's somehow Colorado want

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01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 2: to say to a therapist you're not allowed to discuss

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01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,679
Speaker 2: with a patient. The possibility that if you're a man

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01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:09,720
Speaker 2: who thinks they're a woman, you can't say that.

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01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:11,759
Speaker 3: You can't say, well, you're not actually a woman.

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01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 2: It was trying to dictate what it is the actual

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01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 2: therapist could say. This was an eight to one decision

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01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 2: saying that the Colorado law was simply not able to

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01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 2: stand unconstitutional.

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Speaker 3: Walk us through this case and your takes on it.

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Speaker 16: Okay, this is a case in which Colorado passed a

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01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:34,720
Speaker 16: law banning broadly speaking, conversion therapy. The only part of

1544
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 16: that that's before the court is whether that conversion therapy

1545
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 16: can be banned if it's merely words, if it's merely talking.

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01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 16: Their court made very clear if it were something else,

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01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 16: they could ban, you know, abducting somebody for conversion therapy,

1548
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 16: or giving them medication or giving them physical things. But

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01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 16: that's not what it's at stake here. This literally prohibited

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01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 16: a therapist from doing anything other than affirming this new

1551
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 16: transgender identity, could not talk about it in any way contrary.

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01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 16: So it was a viewpoint discrimination. You could talk to

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01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 16: your transgender your confused client, but you can't say this,

1554
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 16: and that's the problem, and that this you can't say

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01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 16: is maybe you're not really a woman, or maybe you're

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01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 16: not really a man. Man, let's talk about it. You know,

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01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 16: how did you get to that conclusion. It's that talk,

1558
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 16: that viewpoint was barred by this statue, and that's what

1559
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 16: came before the court. No other conversion therapy issues were before.

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01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 2: The court, So this was really if I'm the layman

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01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 2: outside of looking in discussing this, this becomes the first

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01:34:55,200 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 2: Amendment conversation where the state is saying to a therapist, Oh, sure,

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01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 2: you might be licensed and credentialed and all the things

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01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 2: that we usually teut and glorify and exalts, but in

1565
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 2: this case, we don't want you saying this thing because

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01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 2: it goes against our political point of view.

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Speaker 3: That's where that's where we're at.

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Speaker 16: That's right. They did not prohibit talking about the subject,

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01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 16: but they prohibited having a particular viewpoint on the subject.

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01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:26,720
Speaker 16: And that was the whole point of the court that

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01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:32,959
Speaker 16: this was pure, close to pure viewpoint discrimination, which violates

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01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 16: the First Amendment. And it's very significant here before we

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01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 16: get to Kaitanji Brown Jackson. This was an eight to

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01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 16: one decision, Okay, Kagan and Soda Mayor went with the majority,

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01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 16: and Kagan wrote a concurring opinion in which she agreed

1576
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 16: with the majority that this was pure viewpoint discrimination. And

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01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 16: she tried to make the distinction, which the court also did,

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01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 16: is that if it were something other than just talking

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01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 16: and expressing a viewpoint, she might come out differently. So

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Speaker 16: if it involved physical conduct as part of conversion therapy,

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01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 16: she might agree view it differently. So you know, when

1582
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 16: even Kagan and Soda Mayor refused to go along with

1583
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 16: Katanji Brown Jackson that she is way out on the

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01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 16: limb there, and this is we're seeing in multiple cases.

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01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 16: Not in all cases. I'd say in most cases they

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01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:34,799
Speaker 16: probably vote the same way, but there have been several

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01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 16: cases where Katanji Brown Jackson is just way out on

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01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:46,640
Speaker 16: a limb and actually very derisive of her colleagues. She

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01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 16: called the majority in her descent in this case, she

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01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 16: called the majority decision unprincipled. She's very vicious in the

1591
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 16: way she attacks her colleagues on the court, which is

1592
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 16: not the way it normally goes. Normally, there's a sense

1593
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 16: of collegiality, but she goes right after them, and we've

1594
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 16: seen that time and again in very demeaning terms, calling

1595
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:14,799
Speaker 16: the majority unprincipled and essentially saying, because you don't agree

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01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 16: with my viewpoint on conversion or on gender identity, you're unprincipled.

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01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 16: And it's really terrible what she's doing. She's I saw

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01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 16: somebody refer to it on Twitter, so it's my original idea,

1599
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 16: but basically, what she's done she has turned her dissenting

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01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 16: opinions into the equivalent of bog posts that it's you know,

1601
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 16: opinionated and attacking people, and you would expect a lot

1602
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 16: of what she says to appear on TikTok or x

1603
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:54,440
Speaker 16: or you know, Instagram. It's really it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing

1604
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 16: if I.

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01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 2: Was going to say it another way, if I was going

1606
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 2: to say another way, this is the kind of thing

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01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,800
Speaker 2: you expect a couple of housewives drinking white wine out

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01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 2: of a box to be moaning and convetching about. Talking

1609
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 2: to William Jacobson and Cornell law professor, the mind behind

1610
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 2: legal insurrection dot com, digging just a little bit on there,

1611
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 2: because because you brought it up, and I do want

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01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 2: to follow that train of thought. Her descents, Justice Brown

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01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:22,559
Speaker 2: Jackson's descents seem personal. They do seem a lot of

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01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 2: ways petty. As someone noted that in this descent, not

1615
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 2: only is it you talk about vindictive, she kind of

1616
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:36,679
Speaker 2: argues that Kagan and Soda mayor have been duped into

1617
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,640
Speaker 2: thinking that the First Amendment says what it says and

1618
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 2: doesn't say what it doesn't say. Is there a take

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01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:50,600
Speaker 2: on how the court usually views those who engage the

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01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 2: personal as opposed to you talk about collegiality.

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01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 3: I'll call it the professional.

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01:38:56,280 --> 01:39:00,640
Speaker 16: Yeah, I don't know what the justice's individual views are. Certainly,

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01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:06,760
Speaker 16: the sort of attacks on colleagues that brown Jackson has

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01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 16: engaged in repeatedly, including in this decision, is unusual. Certainly

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01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:16,760
Speaker 16: there are times when little barbs are thrown at the

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01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 16: other side, but she calls them names. Okay, this is

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01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 16: really bad stuff. And I think she's calling them names

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01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 16: out of frustration. When you cannot even get Kagan and

1629
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 16: Soda Mayor to agree with you, there's a frustration, and

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01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:35,799
Speaker 16: she comes across as being extremely frustrated and lashing out

1631
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 16: because she can't convince the other justices to go along

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01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaker 16: with her, and in this case, she couldn't convince any

1633
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 16: of the other eight justices, even the two liberal justices,

1634
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:49,880
Speaker 16: to go along with her. And her descents have an

1635
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:54,800
Speaker 16: air to them of lashing out of anger, of vindictiveness,

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01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 16: of demeaning her colleagues. And I don't really know what's

1637
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:03,160
Speaker 16: going on there. I can't judge the interpersonal relationships, but

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01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:07,440
Speaker 16: I do think it's fair to say that brown Jackson's

1639
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 16: descents have gone off the rails.

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01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 2: And it should be clear that Kagan responded to the descent,

1641
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:15,680
Speaker 2: and the response is.

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01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:18,040
Speaker 3: Basically the same one we saw from Amy Cony.

1643
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:20,240
Speaker 2: Barrett a few months back that we discussed I can't

1644
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 2: remember the case right now. We discussed it where Justice Kagan,

1645
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 2: who is one of the more interesting members of the

1646
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:28,800
Speaker 2: Court because she usually does side with the left, but

1647
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 2: sometimes she can surprise. Her argument is a Justice Brown Jackson,

1648
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:36,680
Speaker 2: you might not understand what this case is actually about.

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01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:39,519
Speaker 16: This is what's remarkable. And I remember talking to you.

1650
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 16: I think it was a sodo my York concurring opinion.

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01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:43,720
Speaker 3: Yes, in another case.

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01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:45,720
Speaker 16: I don't even remember what the case was, but she

1653
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 16: basically said, hey, Brown Jackson, you don't even understand what

1654
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:53,040
Speaker 16: this case is about. And that's what we're seeing here

1655
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 16: the justices, the aid of them, and not just the

1656
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 16: so called conservative justices. In many ways, the conservative justice

1657
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 16: is tend to ignore Brown Jackson. They tend to not

1658
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 16: treat her as being serious, at least in their opinions.

1659
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:09,919
Speaker 16: They don't give her the time of day to respond.

1660
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 16: But it's interesting that Sodamayuar and now Kingan do feel

1661
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 16: the need because I think she's embarrassing their liberal wing

1662
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 16: of the Court.

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01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 3: I wonder if if embarrassment is the right word. I

1664
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 3: wonder if.

1665
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 2: Indeed they feel that talking to William Jacobs and Cornell

1666
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 2: Law professor, the mind behind the legal insurrection dot com.

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01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 2: You know, when we talk about Katanji brown Jackson in

1668
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:39,479
Speaker 2: this case, this is the same woman who told us

1669
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 2: she can't define what a woman is because she's not

1670
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 2: a biologist.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not quite sure how she can be a

1672
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:45,719
Speaker 3: part of these cases.

1673
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Speaker 2: But here she is arguing that the state has every

1674
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:54,240
Speaker 2: right to limit what you say in providing treatment in

1675
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 2: these situations. But I believe it was a different case

1676
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 2: where she said the state should have no right to

1677
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 2: stop at all these kinds of things from happening if

1678
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 2: a child wants to go down this road. So in

1679
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:10,479
Speaker 2: her own decisions, she seems to be in this level

1680
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 2: of contradiction with herself. But when we take a look

1681
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 2: at this case, in this eight one decision, in this case.

1682
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 3: Where the.

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01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:23,040
Speaker 2: Opinion written by Neil Gorsich is very clear, this is

1684
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:27,160
Speaker 2: a free speech conversation. What does this say to you

1685
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 2: about other cases that may be coming before the court

1686
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 2: or for the First Amendment protections in general.

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Speaker 16: Well, when brown Jackson approaches it, she seems to find

1688
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:42,680
Speaker 16: the political result that she wants, and that's why it

1689
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 16: seems to be inconsistent. It's not inconsistent to the extent

1690
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 16: that she determines the political results she wants wants and

1691
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:53,719
Speaker 16: then finds a way to get there, and that creates

1692
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 16: the inconsistency. And here, I think that's more clear than anywhere.

1693
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 16: You're right. In other cases she may want to scale

1694
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:03,759
Speaker 16: back the police power of the state, but in this one,

1695
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:08,639
Speaker 16: very close to the start of her dissent, she talks

1696
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:13,679
Speaker 16: about how this medical care, this licensed medical care, somebody

1697
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:16,240
Speaker 16: who has a license from the state is subject to

1698
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 16: the police power of the state. And again, if this

1699
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 16: were involved physical sort of conversion therapy, if this involved

1700
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:30,439
Speaker 16: medication or something like that, I think the entirety of

1701
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:32,800
Speaker 16: the court probably would have upheld the statue. But that's

1702
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 16: not what the statue does. The statue says, you cannot

1703
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 16: hold a particular viewpoint in your conversations with your therapy patient.

1704
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:48,160
Speaker 16: You cannot express a particular viewpoint. And that's the problem here.

1705
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 16: This was meant not to cure physical abuses or medical abuses.

1706
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 16: It was meant to regulate viewpoints. You can talk about

1707
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 16: it with them, but you can't hold a certain viewpoint.

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01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 16: And I think that that is really the problem here,

1709
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:08,639
Speaker 16: and she fails to grasp that. She completely misses that

1710
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 16: point in her dissent, which.

1711
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 2: I think leads people down the road of whether or

1712
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:15,640
Speaker 2: not this is purposeful? What is it that we have

1713
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 2: done here? And I, you know, I'm one of the believers,

1714
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:22,400
Speaker 2: and maybe because I'm the only believer, you know, sometimes

1715
01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:27,360
Speaker 2: you know the old line from you know, some murder

1716
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 2: kind of movie, the calls coming from inside the house.

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01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 2: I think the justices would be very happy to see

1718
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 2: Congress move on some level of impeachment and removal of

1719
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:38,639
Speaker 2: Katanji Brown Jackson.

1720
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 3: You could tell me, no, I'll never be.

1721
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:45,280
Speaker 16: It's never going to happen. Okay, you know, like to

1722
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 16: harken back to Donald Trump's line that he could shoot

1723
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 16: somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue and his supporters

1724
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:57,120
Speaker 16: would still be behind him. She could write the most disgusting,

1725
01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 16: ridiculous embar descents the rest of her life, and she

1726
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 16: may have to, and there is no way Democrats are

1727
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:08,400
Speaker 16: going to ever allow her to be removed.

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Speaker 2: William Jacobson, Cornell Law professor, Legal insurrection dot Com.

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01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 3: I appreciate you being with us. More to get to.

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Speaker 2: This is Tony kats today wonder what it is that

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Speaker 2: President Trump is going to speak about in his address

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Speaker 2: to the nation at nine pm Eastern time, Tony Kats

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 3: Is he going.

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Speaker 2: To declare that this war is over, We've won it,

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Speaker 2: We're coming home. Somebody put a cake in the oven.

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Speaker 2: We're going to celebrate.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. We have more work to do.

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Speaker 2: We are going to open up the Strait of horn

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Speaker 2: Moves completely and in Toto, and once that is done,

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Speaker 2: then we're coming home. Finally, we have some European nations

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Speaker 2: getting their heads out of their butts and they're going

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Speaker 2: to be a.

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Speaker 3: Part of this. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to leave until we kill every last

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Speaker 2: member of the IRGC. I don't know. No one does.

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Speaker 2: What is he going to say? A lot of people

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Speaker 2: are hoping that he goes with this war is over,

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Speaker 2: We're coming home. He can argue, as we said many times,

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Speaker 2: the first rule of trumpsm is Trump wins. And the

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Speaker 2: second rule of trump Ism is that a deal can

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Speaker 2: always be made as long as it adheres to the

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Speaker 2: first rule of trump Ism. And with that in mind,

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Speaker 2: he can declare anything anytime, no question. He can say

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Speaker 2: we won done, finish complete bafilely sh gone.

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Speaker 3: He could say that we've degraded their capacity.

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Speaker 2: It would take them another fifteen to twenty years to

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Speaker 2: get a nuclear weapon. This regime is better than the

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Speaker 2: other regime because we took out two regimes already and

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Speaker 2: they've been far more amenable. But you still can't trust

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Speaker 2: these people because they're all just radicals. He said those

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Speaker 2: words from the Oval yesterday, so I have no idea

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Speaker 2: what he's gonna say today, because to me, he is

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Speaker 2: making the case for how you have to eradicate the IRGC,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know how to do that from the air,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not one hundred century where all the stomach

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Speaker 2: is for ground troops, although we still haven't defined what

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Speaker 2: that is and we.

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Speaker 3: Still haven't seen them yet. We might not.

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Speaker 2: Just the threat of them might very well be enough.

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Speaker 2: We will watch to see whether the Europeans actually move

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Speaker 2: to open up the Strait. We see the UAE saying

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Speaker 2: they want to help open up the Straight and they

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Speaker 2: will be combatants.

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Speaker 3: We'll see what the.

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Speaker 2: President says, and we will discuss it tomorrow. Everyone, I'm

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz.

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Speaker 3: Take care