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Speaker 1: doctor Marlictha King's political and social programs for America are

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, I tell you, man that

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Speaker 1: How you're feeling, my man, I'm still learning, Kevin. I'm

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Speaker 2: And telling you man, and let's continue. Nine Democrats sorry,

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Speaker 1: Right, the Justice Department holding their feet to the fire.

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Speaker 1: Okay, cool six and after to Pam Africa on a

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Speaker 6: Twenty three years with evidence of innocence, evidence that had

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Speaker 1: I'm jumping here, sister Pama twenty six after the tough day,

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Speaker 1: You went to see him. What's his state?

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Speaker 6: Right, He's aware that love and he talks about their love.

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Speaker 6: the depth on Morena and uh Governor Ridge was you know,

436
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 6: very controversial at the time. And are you know, dealing

437
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 6: with the war and you know Moumia took his position

438
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 6: and I believe it was Afghanistan. And you know Ridge signed,

439
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 6: you know, he did sign his death fork. But that

440
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 6: never stopped MoMA. And people was telling the man him

441
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 6: you you committing suicide. You draw attention to yourself. And uh,

442
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 6: Moonia and Or has been a writer and uh they

443
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 6: has had the power to pull people like you know

444
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 6: and a rainbow coalition around the world and or you know,

445
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 6: to look at this government and see it for you

446
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 6: know what it is. Whether he was in the hole,

447
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 6: which he was in the hole for almost thirty years

448
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 6: and uh, you know, isolated and uh, you know, Moonia

449
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 6: continue to write, continue to be or tie up the things.

450
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 6: A lot of people look to find out what's going

451
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 6: on in the world, and you know through you know

452
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 6: his writings.

453
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, huh, I thought again thirty minutes after the top

454
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: of that family just joined us. I guess it's Pam

455
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: Africa from the move organization. She just recently visited political prisoner.

456
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: When we abou Jamal and those you don't know, let

457
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: me short turf to hear that he was on the

458
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: scene of he was a journalist in in Philly and

459
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: he was on the scene of a policeman that got

460
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: got killed and they blamed the rap on him. Some

461
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: people say he's covering for his brother. I'll let you

462
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: explain that because that was one of the things they're saying.

463
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 1: If he didn't do somebody shot the police officer faultner,

464
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: So who was it was?

465
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 6: It was it?

466
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: If it wasn't Momea, was his brother? Was somebody else?

467
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: Clear that aspect up for us for assistant Panama Africa

468
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: because people are talking about Okay, we agree it wasn't

469
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: a Momir, but his brother's on the seat. Maybe his

470
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: brother killed a cop or was this another third party

471
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: that that's not being talked about.

472
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 6: Okay, Momi, his brother absolutely did not kill you know,

473
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 6: police officer Againiel Faulkner, and they know what they released, uh,

474
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 6: you know Billy and uh and the third party that

475
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 6: was on the scene and uh that was somebody that

476
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 6: they put up in a lineup and he was also

477
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 6: picked out the lineup, and Moonia requested he begue to

478
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 6: be putting the line up, and they wouldn't put him,

479
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 6: you know, in the line up. Billy and uh, you know,

480
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 6: he was tormented by the police. And in fact, a

481
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 6: lot of this started, you know with uh, with Billy

482
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 6: and uh being you know, tormented by the police, and uh,

483
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 6: he was driving his car and they stayed the wrong

484
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 6: way down Locust Street. But photographer took pictures who happened

485
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 6: to be on the scene and ensured that Billy's car

486
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 6: was not you know, pointed in the wrong way. There

487
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 6: was nothing wrong with his license plate and uh. And

488
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 6: they had a cab driver who lied and said that

489
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 6: he saw what happened because he was parked right behind

490
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 6: Billy's car and all but the photographer Poe Koff, who

491
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 6: was there, who took pictures of the crime scene because

492
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 6: he was there long before all the cops and people

493
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 6: got there and uh, and he showed very clearly in

494
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 6: the pictures there was no cab parked behind you know,

495
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 6: Mumia's car. The police officers said that they did not

496
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 6: uh that they had the gun. It was Moonia's gun.

497
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 6: It had been They said it had been fired and

498
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 6: that they handled the the the gun propperly and come

499
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 6: to find out who were called. Pictures shows a police

500
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 6: officer holding in on Moomia's gun with his hands. Now

501
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 6: here is another thing that they say, and they said

502
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 6: that they forgot to take the paraffin test tests a

503
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 6: police officer was just killed. The paraffin test is to

504
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 6: show whether or not a person has shot a weapon.

505
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 6: And they said that they forgot it. And but they

506
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 6: never ever you know, mentioned this was the winner December

507
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 6: the ninth and Mooni was wearing one piece where sort

508
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 6: of like cover all jumpsuit and long sleeves. So if

509
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 6: they did not they forgot to do the paraffin tests

510
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 6: on MoMA's hands and it should have been the blowback

511
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 6: powder on his uh, the sleeve of his jumpsuit when

512
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 6: the jumpsuit that they had, but they never mentioned that.

513
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 6: And the boy that they said it came out with

514
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 6: Moonia's gun that shot Faulkner, and uh was a different caliber.

515
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 6: And when it came time to present that evidence and all,

516
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 6: they couldn't have found a bullet parts of it. Now

517
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 6: this stuff, you know, this bullet was hit in the

518
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 6: hands of the police and there wasn't a move like

519
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 6: Mooney didn't lose it and all. And it's you know,

520
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 6: there's other evidence that these people they should have been

521
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 6: there that wasn't. Just like you know, they found over

522
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 6: twenty six boxes of evidence that should have been presented

523
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 6: during the trial that was not you know, uh, you

524
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 6: know there wasn't you know, during a post conviction hearing,

525
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 6: and all the hiding of evidence that you know, the

526
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 6: case should have been you know, thrown immediately out, and

527
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 6: all the angle of how they said Moonia you know

528
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 6: the police Officer shop movie, he's that you know, Momia

529
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 6: stood over police officer falconer and shot several times to

530
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 6: the ground and all Falkner kept ducking back and forth

531
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 6: and the boats was just missening. Poor call. Picture shows

532
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 6: that there was no divots in the ground to show

533
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 6: that you know, that was a lie and all you

534
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 6: know that they had concocted you know as well. And

535
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 6: all you know, it's like you have evidence at the

536
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 6: evidence and you know, Momir is still in jail.

537
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: Now.

538
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 6: What we are having in Philadelphia is celebrating the two

539
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 6: hundred and fiftieth anniversary of this country in Philadelphia this year.

540
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 6: And what we're letting the mayor know and all the

541
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 6: city officials there and all that we will be on

542
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 6: the street. We will be passing out information. We'll be

543
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 6: holding forums all over this city that letting them letting

544
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 6: people know that's right here. And we will have you know,

545
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 6: different places where they're putting things on the map where

546
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 6: people can go here and go there, and we will

547
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 6: be taking over apart and or you know, in the

548
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 6: area and showing people the evidence you know, on MoMA's case.

549
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 6: And you we invite the other side you know, to

550
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 6: be there too. And but we're not gonna let this

551
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 6: two hundred and fifty year anniversary come in here and

552
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 6: all without putting Momir you know, up front and ask

553
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 6: them people to join in this continued battle, you know,

554
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 6: with us, it's work the whole lots of lot of

555
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 6: plannings and uh and we have meetings every Wednesday night,

556
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 6: you know or this I thought right there.

557
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: It's just step aside and your creduble on the ladies

558
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: sneels in our different city. It's it's twenty three minutes

559
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: away from the top of our family just joining us.

560
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: I guess it's Africa from the Move organization. She just

561
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: paid her a visit recently to political prisoner Abu Jamal.

562
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: She's given her a report on Momiya's conditions. What are

563
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: your thoughts? She got questions, reach out to us at

564
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and

565
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: we'll take phone calls. That's why we check the news.

566
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: Trafficking sports in your neck of Woodson. Next is PAM Africa.

567
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: Pamily is part of the Move organization in Philadelphia and

568
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: she paid her visit recently to Mama Abu Jamal, political

569
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: prisoner who once was on death throw as well. So

570
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: she's founding her report on MoMA's conditions that she saw

571
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: when she visited. Before we go on any further low,

572
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: let me just remind you a company. Later this morning,

573
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna speak with research in Africana History professor Meinu

574
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: I and pin also before we go to press and

575
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: pen though Memphis City Councilman Pearl Walker will join us

576
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: as well to outline the city's plans for twenty twenty

577
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: six and more. And Tomorrow's Friday give you enough chance

578
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: to free him. I know that means you just think

579
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: for yourself and join us for our open Phone Friday program.

580
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: We begin promptly at six am Eastern time right here

581
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: in baltimorrow ten ten w LB and also in the

582
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: DMV ere on fourteen fifteen w L. All right, sister Bama,

583
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thoughts and tell us that

584
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: you know what you saw when you spoke tom was

585
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: he is you know, jovial self?

586
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 3: Is he was he happy?

587
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: Could you determine, you know, whether he's got any more

588
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: physical issues because because we know we had some issues,

589
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: some health concerns at one point, and Minister fire Gun,

590
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: which offered to sends one of some of his doctors

591
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: in to help him. So how's he, how's his health

592
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: and how's his spirits?

593
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 6: And no, well he you know, you know, we fought

594
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 6: enough to get him medical treatment for each one, but

595
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 6: he still continues to it. You still need one more

596
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 6: eye surgery, you know. But as far as his spirit.

597
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 6: His spirit is really you know good, and I'm telling

598
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 6: you he's writing more books and you know, he has

599
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 6: educational classes in the you know, he teaches you know,

600
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 6: brothers on our family and or you know, you know,

601
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 6: being fathers, you or being good husbands, you know, being

602
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 6: you know, good spouses. You know, you know you're loving

603
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 6: your children. And you know, he's more like a psychiatrist

604
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 6: in there, you know, when people you know are upset

605
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 6: and all you know about conditions there and or you know,

606
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 6: he's able to, you know, deal with people, and he's

607
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 6: well surrounded by you know, good people you know as well,

608
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 6: you know, making sure that he's okay. If anything happened

609
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 6: to Mama, and then we don't know, we get a

610
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 6: phone call in a second and a heartbeat and all

611
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 6: to let us know, you know, we've seen him take

612
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 6: MoMA out or you know, MoMA is not doing well.

613
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 6: That's how we found out that he was getting ready

614
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 6: to go into this diabetic comber and all by a

615
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 6: brother who stepped through the prison administration and told him,

616
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,479
Speaker 6: you know, they better do something about MoMA. I'm trying

617
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 6: to think of the brother's name right now. But and

618
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 6: you know, when he was sick and his body was

619
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 6: covered with I mean these skills and he told him

620
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 6: whatever he'd do, and you know, the h the administration there,

621
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 6: the doctors told, you know, do not use hot water

622
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 6: and or just pat yourself and you know cold water.

623
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 6: A brother of Food was in the prison that worked

624
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 6: in the pharmacy and you know, he took MoMA, you know,

625
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 6: when Leah couldn't walk and he was in a wheelchair

626
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 6: and you know, he you know, got MoMA up and

627
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 6: got him walking, and you know, he put Momia in

628
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 6: a solution and a tub with real hot water and

629
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 6: just scrubbed and scrubbed those scales, you know, off his body.

630
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 6: And you know, so as far as his health and

631
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 6: you know, w it's very good compared to you know

632
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 6: what it was. But you know, he's still in danger

633
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 6: as long as he beat him, because it goes from

634
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 6: one thing to another. Cause they determined, you know, to

635
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 6: kill MoMA and they're trying to do it through medical

636
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 6: neglect or medical you know, uh trickery, and UH that's

637
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 6: why we're working as hard as we can and uh

638
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 6: to you know, bring MoMA out. And you know a

639
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 6: lot of people say he'll never come out and all.

640
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 6: But you know, people said that you know, they was

641
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 6: gonna kill Morema Cauvine have every you know racist governor

642
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 6: in c including the honor sources and Nigga and when

643
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 6: he was governor and Or he was calling for the

644
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 6: death of more Miir and uh s you know Momeir

645
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 6: is alive and continues to fight. And Or because we

646
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 6: are able to rally the people together and you'll bring

647
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 6: enough attention on it that and study them execute Momeir.

648
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 6: They gave move your life in prison without the possibility

649
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 6: to parole, thinking that that would stop people. And some

650
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 6: people like in the anti death don't you move because

651
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 6: they're give actively with people that is written ready to

652
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 6: be executed, not understanding that that's a life in prison

653
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 6: and it's like an execution being, you know, and you

654
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 6: know with that life in prison, it's just slow death.

655
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 6: But you know it's it's making people aware and keeping

656
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 6: the pressure on and we have younger folks and all,

657
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 6: you know, with good energy, con said, you know when

658
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 6: I had to step back for a minute and or

659
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 6: for a while and all you know, they kept the

660
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 6: momentum going. And you know, the people that's been here

661
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 6: for some time because we lost a lot of three death.

662
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 6: We lost a lot of people through you know, different things,

663
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 6: and but whenever they come back and self doing death

664
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 6: unless the ancestry has given us strength and you know,

665
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 6: you're always at a different pays you.

666
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: Know, right, And let me join you for a second, sister,

667
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: Panma Africa, ten minutes away from the top of our family.

668
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: Just checking in Pam Africa from the movie organization. Just

669
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: paid a visit to political prisoners Maria abou Jamal.

670
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: He was on death row.

671
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: He's not on death thrown anymore on that, but he's

672
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: in prison for life for a matter they say he

673
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: did not commit. Let me ask you this, Has anybody

674
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: requested that Maria, that Maria be released on humanity tearing grounds,

675
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: the fact that his age and and he's battling an illness.

676
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: Has anybody requested that? And how and if so, how

677
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: does that work? Does it have to go straight to

678
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: the governor? Right?

679
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 6: And Moonia doesn't fit. He cried to you and get

680
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 6: released or in health and you have to be more

681
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 6: close to death and all you know in order to

682
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 6: be released. All the different things that we was whole

683
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 6: and that you know, Da Krassner and uh he had

684
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 6: what was known as the Integrity Board and a lot

685
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 6: of people got out on that based on faulty evidence

686
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 6: and a police misconduct and you gives you ammonia fits

687
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 6: and all that and all the hiding of evidence that

688
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 6: you know, uh Tampa with witness and or he fitted

689
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 6: in all that and uh and able to be released.

690
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 6: Now you know, I gotta say this, you know, for Krassner,

691
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 6: I have a dislike for him behind the work that

692
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 6: you know, behind the fact that he didn't do right

693
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 6: by mo Mia and uh he gave in to fear

694
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 6: and uh uh you know when it came to MoMA.

695
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 6: But right now dealing with ice and uh, you know,

696
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 6: they're talking about coming into Philadelphia, and you know Krassner

697
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 6: is saying, if they come in here with those masses

698
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 6: on and all grabbing people without warrants, you letting them

699
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 6: know you come in here, you're gonna get locked up.

700
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 6: The uh police commissioner a woman and uh by the

701
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 6: name of Michelle Balau, and uh she has you know,

702
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 6: she said that you'll most definitely they police have orders

703
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 6: that if you come if ice coming here and h

704
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 6: but with with masses harassing and grabbing, you know, the

705
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 6: citizens and all without proper you know, if she's in fact,

706
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 6: they don't have they should never be someone coming in

707
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 6: and uh uh that's masked up and grabbing and beating

708
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 6: all you know citizens. They say they will arrest them.

709
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 6: And they've been warning this and saying this, you know,

710
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 6: for a while. So this is one of the things

711
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 6: that is happening here, you know, with Ice. And you

712
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 6: know we're doing demonstrations here, you know, every day. But

713
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 6: I was saying about da crashing or he's one of

714
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 6: the people that we're going to be demonstrating about because

715
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 6: when the ball was in his hand and or you know,

716
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 6: when he could have released Mola and uh, he felt weak,

717
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 6: he felt weak.

718
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: Good question back to the Ice of rage in Philly.

719
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: Are you seeing a lot of folks joining you it's

720
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: being opposed to that because some people think that, you know,

721
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: that's not our fight.

722
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 6: How do you see our fight? It is our fight.

723
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 6: You know what people don't understand. They don't see, you know,

724
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 6: the black folks that you know, you it's our fight

725
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 6: behind the fact that you know, they're just showing what's happening,

726
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 6: you know, with them. But this is meant for us

727
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 6: as well, and I'm telling people, and are you better

728
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 6: getting ready? You better get ready, you know, because if

729
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 6: you think that it's only happening with them when it's oh,

730
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 6: you know, or when they okay back and a black

731
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 6: folks have been shot and deal with this. You know,

732
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 6: they come into your neighborhood and your neighbors is out

733
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 6: on the street, and then all of a sudden from

734
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 6: all these you know, craze white men or you know,

735
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 6: I don't know what it's all behind them masses and

736
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 6: know with these shotguns and or you know, cursing people.

737
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 6: Just you know, when they come through the through the community,

738
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 6: it's harbor, it's horror. And when they come through this

739
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 6: black community, you know, here in the Latino community here,

740
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 6: you know, I can see some really really terrible things

741
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 6: that's going to be, you know, happening here in the

742
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 6: city of phil Piladelphia, just like you know everywhere else.

743
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 6: And the people are violent to fight back, and you know, and.

744
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: Let me real quick, is Mama aware of this? What

745
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: was going on with Ice on the outside? Does he

746
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: get information of the news. Is they're allowed to read newspapers?

747
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 6: Yes, he's written several articles on you know Ice, He's

748
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 6: very on top of Veniceueiler. He's very on top of Bchino.

749
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 6: So what's going on in you know Africa? And you

750
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 6: know he is on top and he's writing about everything.

751
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 6: People can go to prison radio dot com and you

752
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 6: can pull up Moonia's commentaries and they go back, you know,

753
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 6: as far as you know, I believe the early nineties

754
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 6: when the world first started, you know, dealing with Morelia

755
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 6: and you will see, you know, all the way back then.

756
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 6: And you know, Venezuela was you know a topic. Think

757
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 6: because the government has always been trying to you know,

758
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 6: take the oil and things from there I and or

759
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 6: you know which comes. He just put them, you know,

760
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 6: Trump just got them, you know, to the point that

761
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 6: they can you know, do like the Nazis did over

762
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 6: in Germany and or you know, and the people who

763
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 6: think that this does not involve them and all especially

764
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 6: that folks, and you better think again, you know, you

765
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 6: really better look again. And it wasn't too long ago

766
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 6: that these kind of people was running our families, our children,

767
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 6: and you know, and you know the fact that you know,

768
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 6: when you see a child and are being snatched, you know,

769
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 6: away from the parents and stuff like that, and think

770
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 6: it's not you know, none of our business.

771
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 4: And you know right there.

772
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm glad you share that because people were

773
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: wondering what does Mamea think about this? And I'm glad

774
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: you shared what Mama thinks about the ice rates and

775
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: some of our people, not all, but some of our

776
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: people are being caught up in that snare as well. Family,

777
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: what's your thoughts you want to join this conversation? I

778
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: guess Sister Pan Africa, we got to step aside and

779
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: get caught up with the ladies trafficking, weather and the

780
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: news in some of our cities. Right now that we

781
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: come back and we talk more about Mami obout Jam.

782
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: All the political prisoners been on death row. He's off

783
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: death throw, but now he's in prison for a life

784
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: for a murder. They say he did not committee shot

785
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: it if they claim shot a police officer, Philadelphia police officer,

786
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: and they still haven't figured out who really shot him,

787
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: they want to stick it on MAMEI and that's what

788
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: they did. And they say he was coming for his brother.

789
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: But Sister Pam just told us know this brother wasn't involved.

790
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: There's another person involved when they stopped it. When me

791
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: had that action on the street that day, and we

792
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: just say Maria used to be a journalist to black

793
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: journalist who worked at w h A T, which is

794
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: the top black radio station in Philadelphia back in those days.

795
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: Now it's w DAS. But he's doing what I was doing.

796
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: So I'm just letting you some more background information about

797
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: a bou Jamal. Anyway, as I mentioned, we got to

798
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: get to step aside and get caught up with the

799
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: latest traffic, news and weather at different cities. Said, we'll

800
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: take your phone calls for Sister Pam Africa next and

801
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: Grand Rising Family infects being allowing us to be a

802
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: part of your morning ritual here on this Thursday morning

803
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: with our guest a Sister Pam Africa from the Move

804
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: Organization in Philadelphia. She just paid a visit to the

805
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: political prisoner Momir abou Jamal, and she's given us an

806
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: update on Momeia's spirits and how he looks physically. But

807
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: Sister Pam, one of the things is to in previous

808
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: visits you had him, he had scales on his skin

809
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: and he had a skin issue.

810
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: Is all that cleared up now?

811
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 6: Yes? Then I knewiced they they had a water problem

812
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 6: up there where the water was running brown and would

813
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 6: brook that up. I happened to look at Mumia's arms

814
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 6: and they were, you know, a real ashy looking, real

815
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 6: dry looking, you know, and he usually and uh, he

816
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 6: usually put a solution on him, and you know, they

817
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 6: covered that, you know, but they said the water was

818
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 6: actually you know, messing up you know, not only his skin,

819
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 6: but other inmate skins. And they had to like administer

820
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 6: all the inmates in the prison six bottles of water,

821
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 6: two in the morning, two in the afternoon, two with

822
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 6: you know, with each mill and that's causing you know, problems.

823
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 6: What they told Momia and other people that it came

824
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 6: from them witching pipes. But there's an organization that got

825
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 6: started some years ago 's dealing with the water and

826
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 6: they gets with toxes and things in the water because

827
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 6: it not only affects the prison, it affects the people

828
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 6: on the outside. And we've been working with them, you know,

829
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 6: with the the issues of the water you know up

830
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 6: there in the prison. And you know, because they put

831
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 6: they put them new pipes in and you know, it

832
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 6: is just affecting the water, you know, down there everywhere

833
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 6: and especially you know up there around crack rail and

834
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 6: places like that. You know, when you put that new

835
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 6: you know water I mean gasline. I don't remember which

836
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 6: one of them it is that they're putting this pipe

837
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 6: in through you know, our lands and or connecting you know,

838
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 6: different things, which has caused a lot of problems, not

839
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 6: only for the prison, for people on the outside who

840
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 6: turns water on and you know, of fire was coming

841
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 6: from our or the.

842
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: Water pass the time you got to interview again because

843
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: we got a next guest on thing. So has he

844
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: written about ice as he talked about ice? Because he

845
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: still radio commentaries.

846
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 6: Yes, indeed you can get those commentaries on prison radio.

847
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 6: Go to prison radio dot com or google prison radio

848
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 6: and Moonia commentaries and you can find something on you know,

849
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 6: you name the subject and or you know he's on

850
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 6: top of it, and his writings and his commentaries is

851
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 6: you know the worldwide you know, and I don't know

852
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 6: what I mentioned that and the president Maduga and right

853
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 6: I did, and you know had Moveia and has speeches

854
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 6: at rallies that we had for a more me a

855
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 6: few years ago, you know.

856
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: And Madu from Venezuela is currently in right now. Yes, yes,

857
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: so you know a difficult question. Does he ever talk

858
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: about his future? Does he talk about I'm gonna get

859
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: out or see you know.

860
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, okay, yes, yes. And you know, you know

861
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 6: he is talking about you know, you know, before and

862
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 6: his wife died and or what did you know that

863
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 6: she'll come to the core about what him and he

864
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 6: called her wild while you know what it was that

865
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 6: they're going to be doing. And she was saying she

866
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 6: knows because he doesn't have the access to the kind

867
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 6: of computers and stuff that we have. And uh, she

868
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 6: was saying that, you know, she'll have to you know,

869
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 6: Patrios women talking about the computer. She and I had

870
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 6: to to know out because I know he's going to

871
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 6: be you know, on that computer a lot, educating and

872
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 6: you know a lot of traveling, you know, with people.

873
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 6: But we insisting that and uh, he when when he

874
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 6: first come out, and that's how we see in it

875
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 6: when he first come out, and you know, he's going

876
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 6: to have to be able to deal with himself. He

877
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 6: of course he's going to be you know, doing you know,

878
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 6: some things, and but uh and deal with the children

879
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 6: and the grandchildren that he hasn't been able to you know,

880
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 6: take out, be out with because you know now he

881
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 6: can hold them on visits before and all for thirty

882
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 6: something years and uh, he couldn't touch him.

883
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: We gotta cut it right there, sister Pam Africa. Uh,

884
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: what's next for you? You've got more visits lined up

885
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: to see mom Jamal.

886
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 6: Or what.

887
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 3: What?

888
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 6: What? What I'm you know doing now? And you know

889
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 6: we continue, you know, the fight for him. Momere. I'm

890
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 6: going to be organizing a group of people and all

891
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 6: you know, we're gonna write out a letter to to

892
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 6: the mayor in Philadelphia and and let her know that

893
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 6: we are coming. And uh, you know, and I know

894
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 6: some people say we've seen every mayor in fact and

895
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 6: all Mayor Edwreddell, the first lady of France and all

896
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 6: came here, Daniel Midran and uh and had a meeting

897
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 6: with Morema and then we left and know with Julia

898
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 6: right and all who was the interpreter and had meetings

899
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 6: with Edwrendell. So you know, we want to let people

900
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 6: know it's nothing that you know, we you know, going

901
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 6: to her, you know, because some people say, well, you know,

902
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 6: you didn't do that for the white man. It ain't

903
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 6: a man for a woman that we have not confronted

904
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 6: about more MIA and Ms Parker and will be one

905
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 6: of the peoples that you know, we take the information

906
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 6: to and we want to have a town hall, you know,

907
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 6: and dealing you know with more MIA. We're gonna be

908
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 6: doing some of everything in the city of Philadelphia while

909
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 6: people do it these things, you know, all around the country,

910
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 6: bringing you know, people up to date with MIA and

911
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 6: the fact.

912
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: That at Memphis City Council willing Pearl Walker waiting for us.

913
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: But let me thank you for visiting with Maria abdu Jamal,

914
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: and thank you for bringing the report. And I'm glad

915
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: to know his spirits are still up and it physically

916
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: looks sound because he's getting support from all over the world,

917
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: not just hit stateside, but as you mentioned, they named

918
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: the city and a street after him in the outskirts

919
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: of Paris, so people understand what's going on with abou

920
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: Jamal and it's still fighting for his freedom. I thank you,

921
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: sister Pama Africa for visiting him and giving us a

922
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: report on how he's doing.

923
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 6: Okay, thank you soon, all right, Pan Africa on.

924
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: The Move Sister Pan Africa from the Move organization in Philadelphia.

925
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 1: Eight half of the top down let's say Grand Rising

926
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 1: to our next guest, who happens to be from Memphis,

927
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: Tennessee City Council in Pearl Walker, Grand Rising City Council,

928
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: Will Walker, welcome back to the program.

929
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 7: Thank you, Grand Rising to you as well, and happy

930
00:54:59,640 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 7: new year.

931
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: Oh yes, happy new year, Happy new year. Speaking about

932
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: happy new year, there's got to be some plans for

933
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: your city twenty twenty six. First of all, updates because

934
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: as a sister Pan Africa told us of the ICE

935
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: agents are still you know, going into Philadelphia, and they're

936
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: going into other major cities. We don't it's not in

937
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: the news though, but they are they in Memphis or

938
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: are they thinking about coming to Memphis.

939
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 7: They are still here. They never left. They are still here.

940
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 7: So all the different alphabet groups as we call them, ICE,

941
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 7: ce FBI, all the Task Force collectively called it Safe

942
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 7: Task Force, they're all still here, as well as the

943
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 7: National Guard. And just like in the other cities, fortunately

944
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 7: we haven't had an incident as tragic as what happened

945
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 7: in many Apolis. But ICE is here and they they

946
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 7: are conducting themselves the way we we know them to

947
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 7: show up. So they've they've gone into schools and daycares,

948
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 7: and and handcuffed, not handcuffed, but put zip ties on toddlers,

949
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 7: and and just dealing with all all demographics. And it's

950
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 7: just so unfortunate. But yes, they are still here operating

951
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 7: in Messhix, Tennessee.

952
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 3: When some folks say that's not our fight, we should

953
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 3: just sit back and watch.

954
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 7: What's in you, it's it's a good argument from both sides.

955
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 7: But with respect to ICE, yeah, they are targeting people

956
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 7: of a certain demographic. But within that initiative, it's it's

957
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 7: touching the lives of everyone. It has to be. It

958
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 7: has and it has the potential to touch the lives everyone.

959
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 7: And there are even from the beginning there there are

960
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 7: for one example, there are restaurants here who have opened

961
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 7: their you know, who have extended public welcome to these

962
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 7: different agencies and the National Guard, and sometimes you get

963
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 7: this kind of food free food or it's you know,

964
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:33,439
Speaker 7: designated places where they have paid for meals for these

965
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 7: you know individuals. And then there are some that have

966
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 7: signs posted and say we don't want you here, do

967
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 7: not come here, and so their incidents surrounding that. But

968
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 7: in terms of whether it's our fight or not, it's

969
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 7: like I said, it's a good argument on both sides,

970
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 7: but I will say this, people that look like you

971
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 7: and me, it's just it's it's just a matter of

972
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 7: a press conference or the stroke of a pen, and

973
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 7: the next targeted demographic officially could be people that look

974
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 7: like you and me, So we have to keep that

975
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 7: in mind as well.

976
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: All right, twelve at the top of our family of

977
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,959
Speaker 1: Pearl Walkers. She's a city councilor and from Memphis because

978
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: they come in essentially because they said the crime was

979
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: out of control in Memphis. But from when I hear

980
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: the crime, crime rate has declined, decreased.

981
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 5: Your thoughts the crime.

982
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 7: Great question, The crime is down. So took This is

983
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 7: what took place. I'll try to explain this as briefly

984
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 7: as possible. This is what took place. They came in

985
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 7: and they started bragging about how they were bringing the

986
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 7: crime down. Well, the crime was the numbers were coming down.

987
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 7: But they've never really acknowledged and given us the credit

988
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 7: here locally, but the numbers were coming down. They did

989
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 7: is they came in and they have done a lot

990
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 7: of arrest dealing with minor offenses, and so they've claimed

991
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 7: that as them lower crime. And when I say minor offenses,

992
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 7: I'm talking about pulling people over for expired tags and

993
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 7: driving with no license. We're carobably driving dirty here, and

994
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 7: so they've used so they've it's been probably about four

995
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 7: thousand of rest with respect to these minor offenses.

996
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 5: However, with the.

997
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 7: Crime overall and the numbers that that we are so

998
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 7: proud of, yes, the crime, the crime is down.

999
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 6: For him.

1000
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 7: Just getting to this other sprame here.

1001
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 4: But with.

1002
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 5: So this was as a result of.

1003
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 7: The end of last year. You know, they came last

1004
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 7: fall of the year prior to that was twenty three.

1005
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 7: So so compared to twenty three, our overall crime in

1006
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 7: Memphis is down forty one percent. Violent crime is down

1007
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 7: thirty percent, Murders are down forty seven percent, aggravated of

1008
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 7: sofa down twenty four twenty four percent. We've had crime

1009
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 7: to go down in every every single zip code in

1010
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 7: our city. And that has been attributed to just a

1011
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 7: bunch of interactive initiatives. And let me add this, so

1012
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 7: because we knew what they what they were reporting wasn't actual.

1013
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 7: So TBI came in, that's the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation

1014
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 7: and two of our Republicans, Republican lawmakers in the state House,

1015
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 7: they were calling for a new audit because they weren't

1016
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 7: agreeing with what Memphis was reporting. And and and they

1017
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 7: thought that the number is that TV the report, that

1018
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:08,439
Speaker 7: the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation would concur with what these

1019
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 7: these erroneous reports. The numbers were actual, but what the

1020
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 7: numbers represented, that's what has not been reported correctly. But

1021
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 7: they said that the TBI said that the crime rate,

1022
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 7: the crime is down in Memphis, the numbers were they

1023
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 7: concurred with the numbers, with the reports. And not to

1024
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 7: get ahead of your questions, but some of what we

1025
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 7: have been doing here is and I think I mentioned

1026
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 7: when you had interviewed me before about unfortunately the murders

1027
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 7: here in Memphis. Over fifty of the murders here in Memphis.

1028
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 7: The people know each other and so we have a

1029
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 7: special domestic Violence task Force now. And when people think

1030
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 7: about when you say domestic violence, people normally assume that

1031
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 7: it's a romantic couple boyfriend, girlfriend, husband and wife. But

1032
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 7: there's several instant examples of people knowing each other outside

1033
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 7: of a couple. They could be father son, family members, neighbors,

1034
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 7: coworkers things things like that, and so that's one of

1035
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 7: the initiatives that we have. We have increased police presence

1036
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 7: where they're patrolling high crime areas to deal with the

1037
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 7: root causes blight, poverty, things like that. We have Operation

1038
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 7: Blue Crush and that is targeting repeat offenders. We have

1039
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 7: a database where they they identify these individuals who are

1040
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 7: repeat offenders. They're likely to you know, do some more

1041
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 7: crime and they we have them on our radar. And

1042
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 7: last spring we opened up this crime center.

1043
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: Right there, City councilor Walker. Oh, I thought, right way,

1044
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: We're going to step auside for a few months. We

1045
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: want to hear what happened and also tell us about

1046
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: this special task for us. It's been formed to find

1047
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: crime in Memphis. How it came together because some of

1048
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: these alphabet agentsies, they don't like to work with each other,

1049
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: but somehow, I think there's a difference in Memphis. Maybe

1050
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: you can share that with us. Family, you two can

1051
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: get in on this conversation with our guests. She represents

1052
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: the Memphis She's a city council person. Her name is

1053
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: Pearl Walker. You want to speak to her, hit us

1054
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: up at eight hundred four or five zero, seventy eight,

1055
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 1: seventy six one ticket calls next and Grand Rising Family.

1056
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on this Thursday morning. Our guest

1057
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: the Memphis City Councilman Pearl Walker. She's giving a snapshot

1058
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 1: view of what's going on in her city. Was once

1059
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: called the crime capital of the world, of the country,

1060
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,479
Speaker 1: and now that the crime rate is going down, ice

1061
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: is there mentioned and they created what they called the

1062
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: Memphis Safe Task for us. So, uh, Guts and Walker

1063
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: walk us through this. Why is this created? And is

1064
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: it possible that all these different agencies can work together?

1065
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 3: Hell?

1066
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 7: Well, uh, why can you hear me?

1067
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1068
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 6: I can hear you hear me?

1069
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 7: Yes, I can now Okay, So you said why was

1070
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 7: it created? Well, you know, Patel came down here and

1071
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 7: other individuals, and they chose Memphis to be one of

1072
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 7: the cities that needed their help maintain along. We maintained

1073
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 7: all along that our crime, our crime is done. And

1074
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,439
Speaker 7: now behind the scenes, why they really chose Memphis. I'm

1075
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 7: an elected official, but outside of what they're saying publicly,

1076
01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 7: which has not been accurate, I I don't know.

1077
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 8: But to that.

1078
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 7: The administration and there, you know, even with it. In

1079
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 7: his comments, about the situation in Minneapolis. Every so often

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Speaker 7: he'll mention how crime is down in Memphis, and they're

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Speaker 7: doing such a great job here in Memphis. But our

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Speaker 7: local law enforcement working in conjunction with other local agencies

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Speaker 7: like the Share Shelby County Shares Department. That's that's who

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Speaker 7: we have to thank for for this low for the

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Speaker 7: lower crime rate.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's shift to other issues though. In Memphis, you know,

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Speaker 1: just celebrated doctor King's birthday a few days ago. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the Lorraine Motels is still there, is it's still a

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Speaker 1: tourist attraction.

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Speaker 5: The council will in welcome Oh yes.

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Speaker 7: Yes, it's still a tourist attraction. That's the Lorraine Motel

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Speaker 7: on Mulberry here in Memphis. And the admission is free

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Speaker 7: all day on the holiday. And the line was, you know,

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Speaker 7: down the streets as it always is, and the locals

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01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 7: go and people you know, come into town. A lot

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Speaker 7: of times people choose Memphis to commemorate the King holidays

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01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 7: because of the Civil Rights Museum and just in case

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Speaker 7: somebody doesn't know. So, doctor King was assassinated nineteen sixty eight,

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Speaker 7: April fourth at the Lorraine Motel and a's l O

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Speaker 7: R R AI n E. And you can google that

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01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 7: for more information. But some years later the Lorraine Motel

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Speaker 7: was turned into the Silvil Rice Museum. So where he

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01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 7: was assassinated on the balcony, it's now a museum. It's

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Speaker 7: a very nice museum. The director of the museum, mister Wiggington,

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Speaker 7: he came before the council last year and we appropriate

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Speaker 7: some additional funding for them because they're actually doing an expansion,

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01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 7: which is great. But yes, it is very much alive

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Speaker 7: and well, and it is one of our top tourist

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01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 7: attractions for an unfortunate reason, but it is definitely one

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Speaker 7: of our our go to places when people come to

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Speaker 7: town and just want to have that Memphis experience.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me answer you. So is the entire motel.

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Speaker 1: Designated a historic site or can people go that's still

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01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: taking people to receptions and rent rooms there other than

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Speaker 1: where on the balcony with doctor King was assassinated.

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Speaker 7: That is a great question. So if you google it,

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01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 7: you always want to see that picture there pictures. No,

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01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 7: it's actually a museum. So the hotel was closed at

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01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 7: some point and it just sat bacon for a while,

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Speaker 7: and so there was a major multi million dollar restoration project.

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Speaker 7: But yes, it is. It is all museum now, not

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Speaker 7: all available to the public. You know, they have the

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Speaker 7: administrative spaces and storage and things like that, but the

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Speaker 7: whole motel is the museum. It's a great tour, great exhibit,

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Speaker 7: and they actually have a it's being at a meeting room.

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01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 7: It's like a banquet hall there. People have activities there.

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Speaker 7: What's the guy's name with the big fro that wears

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Speaker 7: the glasses and he's a prolific you know, speaker travels around.

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Speaker 7: What's the man's name, Oh, my god, with the big fro,

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01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 7: kind of like Don King. I can't think of his name.

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01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 7: But and he's an Apple. He was the Apples bought

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01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 7: him here and he spoke at the Civil Rights Museum.

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01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 7: Our former Energy secretary under Biden, she was here and

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Speaker 7: she spoke there. I met her there. So there's a

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01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 7: lot of community engagement with this space outside of just

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01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 7: the actual museum. But people have the event banquets, they're

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01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 7: just a public forums, just a variety of things there

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01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 7: all the time. And it is located in downtown Memphis.

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Speaker 1: All right, twenty six after the top half family, just

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01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: check it in. I guess there's Pearl walkersh is a

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01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: city council women from Memphis, was sampling in her city today.

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Speaker 1: Last time you're here, you told some plans that you

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01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: had for the black community, for your district or for

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01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: the city of Memphis in itself. Now we're at twenty

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01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 1: twenty six. What is going on in Memphis.

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Speaker 7: So I'm continuing with my platform surrounding keeping the community informed,

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01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 7: dealing with blake. We have a new blight initiative and

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01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 7: in a portion of my district, we tore down on

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01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 7: this one of the largest it's been one of the

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01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 7: largest apartment complexes in the city of Memphis. That once

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01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 7: again because of the constant change in ownership. Beautiful property

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01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 7: though back in the day on the lake and so

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01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 7: the city was already owning that portion of the lake,

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01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 7: but we toured that that housing, not housing, apartment complex

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01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 7: down last spring. We're very excited. So we have a

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01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 7: very aggressive blight initiative and also in terms of making

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01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 7: these out of town property owners accountable more accountable. So

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01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 7: I'm continuing supporting blight initiatives. I'm having yet another town

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01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 7: hall this this lakes well at the budget, so that'll

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Speaker 7: be Midsummer and the theme again is clean and safe neighborhoods.

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Speaker 7: The data shows that the cleaner neighborhoods are the stafer neighborhoods.

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Speaker 6: I have a literacy.

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Speaker 7: Initiative that I'm putting forth. I had been chairing our

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01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 7: chair of the Library Library Neighborhood Improvement Committee and just

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01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 7: stepping up the literacy desperately needed literacy initiative here in Memphis.

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Speaker 7: When you say literacy, people usually think of individuals K

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01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 7: through twelve, but we have a disproportionate number. Our adult

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01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 7: literacy and comprehension numbers are are higher than the national average.

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Speaker 7: So I'm taking a deep dive and going into addressing

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Speaker 7: literacy from some other angles through our libraries, community centers,

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Speaker 7: public spaces. And I have to share this as it

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01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 7: relates to the environment. I don't know how much you

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01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 7: all have been following Elon Musk and his presence here

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01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 7: now with the Data Centers. So our mayor, Mayor Paul Young,

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Speaker 7: he brought fourth and a resolution and ordinance and it

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Speaker 7: did pass unanimously to give twenty five percent of the

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Speaker 7: tax revenue that's property tax and person that's property tax

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Speaker 7: and personal property tax from the Data centers twenty five

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Speaker 7: percent to go directly into those communities for infrastructure of

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Speaker 7: grades and other things within a five mile radius in

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Speaker 7: Memphis of those two addresses. And I sponsored a friendly

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01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 7: amendment for one percent of that and I had it

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01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 7: rounded up to it came out to be about thirty

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Speaker 7: eight thousand dollars and I had that rounded up requests

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01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 7: that be rounded up to one hundred thousand and so,

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Speaker 7: and it's my friendly amendment passed. And that's to provide

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01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 7: with those funds were going to provide environment mental education,

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01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 7: surrounding data centers, and just other things in the community

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Speaker 7: as it relates to environmental education. And I'm really proud

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Speaker 7: of that.

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Speaker 1: And so you should counselor Milwaukee. Let me let me

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Speaker 1: ask you that we talked about the crime, and we

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Speaker 1: talked about before about jobs and employment in an issue

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01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: too for the crime. One of the things the issue

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Speaker 1: that would solve the crime problem if we had jobs, right,

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Speaker 1: how young people, is this something that you embrace, is

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Speaker 1: something that you've will come to accept as well, that

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Speaker 1: maybe we can provide some jobs, especially our folks, that

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Speaker 1: it will reduce.

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Speaker 3: The crime rate.

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Speaker 7: Almost definitely. And I and I have to say this

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01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 7: with with our with our black owned businesses.

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01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 6: You know, we have to we have to do more to.

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Speaker 7: Employ our own. Yeah, but I'm not letting the city

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01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 7: out the hook, but I just wanted to add that

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01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 7: we have to do more to employ our own. So

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01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 7: last year we employed a record number of students with

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01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 7: our employee program and businesses can sign up to receive

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01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,759
Speaker 7: the summer interns and the city pays the salary.

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Speaker 5: How about that?

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 8: How about that?

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01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 7: And so last we're raising our target number this year

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01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 7: is to support support three thousand young people with that initiative,

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01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 7: and we do and we're continuing so we're continuing on

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01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 7: with our summer job program. But that's something that we're

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01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 7: very we're very excited about, and that is that new

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01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 7: director under his current administration is Brian Harris, and he's

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01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 7: just doing a great job. And these are for young

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01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 7: people ages fourteen to twenty two. But it's a meaningful

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01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 7: and rewarding summer job experience and it's called employ the

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Speaker 7: Alphabet M as in Memphis Floyd P l o Y

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Speaker 7: Summer Duth Experience.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I got to ask you because you mentioned that Elon

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01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 1: Muss is down there. He's got a company in in Memphis.

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Speaker 1: Is it is it? I guess is it too hard

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01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,560
Speaker 1: or too difficult? If you can ask if some of

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01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 1: those jobs to be coughed out for some of our

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01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,759
Speaker 1: folks or is this going against the grain of DEI

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01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,640
Speaker 1: and something must probably wouldn't want. But is there a

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01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,719
Speaker 1: way that to guarantee that some of our young people

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Speaker 1: could get employed there?

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Speaker 7: Well, that is a good that is a good question.

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01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 7: So this deal was broken by the Chamber.

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Speaker 5: If you.

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Speaker 7: If you go online, there are things on how do

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01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 7: I want to put this. I cannot give you actual

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01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 7: numbers about actual jobs that people have received here. They

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01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 7: stay its job creation. But as far as specific data,

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01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,560
Speaker 7: we've hired this number of people for this position, this

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01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 7: number for this position, I have not I have not

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01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 7: been exposed to anything like that. But they have yet another.

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01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 7: So now they have two data centers in Memphis, and

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01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 7: then the second one, which is one point two miles

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01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 7: down the street around the corner from where I live.

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Speaker 7: We're sitting both my home and this data center. We're

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01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 7: sitting right on top of state line, which just takes

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01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 7: you into Mississippi. So they purchased property across state line.

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Speaker 7: He has purchased a power plant and I just can't

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01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 7: adde we just don't have even if you gave me

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01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 7: the time, it wouldn't be enough time. But I want

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01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 7: to encourage people to just google Xai in Memphis and

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01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 7: you can find out what all they have going on

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01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 7: on here. Plus there's another data center coming up in

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01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 7: my district that is not owned by mister Musk's company.

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01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 7: And you don't hear people talking about it, I guess

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01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 7: because the owners are virtually you know, not known. It's

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01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 7: not a known entity. And then finally Google and building

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01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 7: a data center just across the river in a in

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Speaker 7: a small city that we call West is that it's

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Speaker 7: called West Memphis, Arkansas. And so people are not making

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01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 7: a big deal about it either. But we actually we're

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01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 7: about to have five data centers to come to this area.

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Speaker 7: I have I have to I have to add this quickly.

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Speaker 7: The e PA ruled last week at for about twelve

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01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:52,719
Speaker 7: months the first location they were operating gas turbines without

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01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,560
Speaker 7: a permit, and you can google that as well, e

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Speaker 7: P A and x AI And that just came. That

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01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 7: just came last week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just got to tweet one of our listeners

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Speaker 1: wanted to know about the STAXX Museum is the is

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01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: that being declared also a stark site is the Are

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01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: they getting funds to keep up that site or is

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01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: the city still looking at it?

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Speaker 3: What do you know? What can you tell us?

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Speaker 7: No, the Stax Museum is alive and well it's in

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01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 7: the area that has been renamed Soulsville. And just around

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01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:29,480
Speaker 7: the corner we have Lemonne College, which is an HBCU

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01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 7: in Memphis. That's l E capital m O y n E.

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Speaker 7: You can tell I do a lot with communications because

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01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 7: I sell these words because I won't people to get it.

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01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 7: But it's around the corner from lamar In College. It's

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01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 7: a beautiful museum. Our beloved son, Isaac case his he

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01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 7: he was he had this El Dorado back in the

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01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 7: day when I was a little girl, and it was

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01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 7: like a till blue trimmed in gold. And it's in there.

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01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 7: And just like the Civil Rights Museum, there is a

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01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 7: space in there for people have events. I have a

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01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 7: girlfriend she had her sixty fifth birthday party there last year.

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01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 7: But it's a beautiful space. It is it's in great

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01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 7: condition and they have a school there. They have a

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Speaker 7: school there as well as I want to say it's

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Speaker 7: maybe like a charter school designation, but they are. They

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Speaker 7: also have a high school there. I think it's middle

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Speaker 7: and high school. Nice size parking lot, great parking property,

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Speaker 7: kept up. But yes, the Stax Museum is very much

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Speaker 7: alive and well and music. We can do a whole

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Speaker 7: segment on that alone about Memphis music. Memphisis musical heritage

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Speaker 7: from Isaac Case to Young Dolph, justin Timberlake and just

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01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 7: so so many, so many who have have come out

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Speaker 7: of this city.

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Speaker 6: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Hold up thought right there at Pearl Walker. Pearl is

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Speaker 1: a city councilor in Memphis. Give an update on what's

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01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: going on in that city. One time they used to

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01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: say that the crime there is off the chart. So

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Speaker 1: she says, no, the crime has been declining. What are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts? You want to join us, reach out to

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Speaker 1: us at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight to seventy six and we'll take a phone calls. Left,

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Speaker 1: we check the latest news, trafficking, weather in our different cities.

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Speaker 1: That's next sixteen away from the top of the Grand

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Speaker 1: Rising Family. Thanks for checking in with us on this

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Speaker 1: Thursday morning with our guest the Pearl Walker Pearl is

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Speaker 1: City council member for Memphis. Before we go back to it,

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Speaker 1: let me just recommind you come up later this morning

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Speaker 1: and to speak with a Contracosta College professor main neuround

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Speaker 1: PIM Professor M. Pinm is going to talk about Martin

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01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: Luther King, some of the things that Martin Luther King

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01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: did but did not get really published and talked about.

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Speaker 1: And he did his thesis on doctor King when he

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Speaker 1: was at Morgan State. So he's going to share that

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01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 1: information with us, and tomorrow we'd invite you to free

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01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: your mind and all that means to think for yourself

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Speaker 1: and join us for our open phone Friday program being

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Speaker 1: promptly at six am Eastern time right here in baltimorrow

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Speaker 1: on ten WLB and also in the GMV on fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifty WOL. All right, Pearl Walker, Carling and West Palm Beach, Florida.

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Speaker 1: As a question for as online one Grand Rising Carlia.

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Speaker 4: With Pearl Walker Grand Rising family. You know we're in

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01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 4: the black community. We're finally discovering that drugs and guns

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Speaker 4: produce crime and what we've do. I was on the

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Speaker 4: mayor here in Palm Beach. I was the mayor. She

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Speaker 4: had an African American Advisory Board where we discovered that

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Speaker 4: all of the activity was taking the dollars, our tax

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Speaker 4: dollars and helping develop us and most of the time

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Speaker 4: that all of the area that was being developed was

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Speaker 4: the black area where they had flooded our community with

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Speaker 4: the drugs and stuff. My question is, do you have

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Speaker 4: any programming where you're dealing you're funding some of the

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Speaker 4: programming that usually come from inside of the community that

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Speaker 4: really they don't get any kind of resources, and many

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Speaker 4: times we don't have representation at the city council or

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Speaker 4: as the mayor position. And I was just wondering had

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Speaker 4: you personally established any kind of relationship with that, because

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Speaker 4: we understand it's all about a land grab that's going

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Speaker 4: on all across the country and a lot of people

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Speaker 4: we are now discovering that, and I was just curious

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Speaker 4: that if you were initiating any kind of programming to

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Speaker 4: help those that have the real programs, not the Urban

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Speaker 4: League and stuff like that, but the real programs that

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Speaker 4: you might have developed on inside of the community.

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Speaker 7: We have real programs. Go ahead.

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Speaker 4: No, I was just going to ask because the last

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Speaker 4: thing that I've done, I've asked the city, and the

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Speaker 4: city managed to give African American Accountability report showing where

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Speaker 4: they've made some decisions on halfn't thought as relates to

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Speaker 4: our problem. Whether you were successful, you failed, we were still.

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Speaker 7: Okay. So what we are doing, we we do fund programming.

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Speaker 7: And I don't know about the Urban League in your area,

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Speaker 7: but we do have an Urban League here that is

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Speaker 7: alive and well, and I just I just donated to them.

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Speaker 7: We have a it's a small fun when you think

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Speaker 7: of the the big picture. But on the Memphis City Council,

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Speaker 7: we have we have a Community Empowerment Grant fund and

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Speaker 7: is two hundred thousand dollars per council member. So qualifying

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Speaker 7: entities can apply and if your application is approved, then

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Speaker 7: council members can donate to you. So I just gave

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Speaker 7: five thousand dollars to our local Urban League chapter here.

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Speaker 7: But I want to say that our our police chief,

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Speaker 7: Chief Davis, I just love her because she uses the

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Speaker 7: word holistic and we're just now getting to a point

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Speaker 7: in society where we're using the proper language to address

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Speaker 7: and describe what we're dealing with, and we really have

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Speaker 7: to take a a holistic approach to the crime, to

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Speaker 7: the problems to the poverty, the blight me, dolight me.

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Speaker 7: You have to have a comprehensive look at comprehensive looking

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Speaker 7: at what is all we are Leney you bread and programs.

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Speaker 7: We are funding entities.

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Speaker 3: Counsel and.

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Speaker 1: She can get in a better spot because we're getting

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Speaker 1: inference better. Yeah, this is that mud.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So we have we have grassroots organization Heal the Hood

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Speaker 7: Block Squad nine o one, and so we're funding traditional

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Speaker 7: and non traditional entities who are boosts on the ground

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Speaker 7: and are addressing these challenges from like I say, a

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Speaker 7: holistic perspective and then my very own organization. Maybe we

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Speaker 7: can do a segment on that in with journey. We're

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01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:25,679
Speaker 7: about thirty years old, but we identify, We help people

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01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 7: identify and mitigate trauma. I do the work, mysetuff. You

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Speaker 7: cannot be a person in these United States of America

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Speaker 7: and have not ever experienced any kount of trauma. We

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Speaker 7: currently have a contract with Shelby County government where our

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01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 7: mail our jail with the male population. They go in

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01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 7: once a month and they work with So we're going

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Speaker 7: into our third year with that program, but with working

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Speaker 7: with a group of males helping them to take a

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Speaker 7: deep dive and deal with what is what it is

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Speaker 7: that they're sitting on, you know, the pain and and

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Speaker 7: all of that. And and I did an MLK program

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Speaker 7: this past Saturday. One of our longest standing female judgeship

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Speaker 7: from the court, Judge Carolynd Blackett, Division four from the

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Speaker 7: thirtieth District. She talked about the trauma, and other panel

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01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 7: members they talked about the trauma. So people who are

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Speaker 7: and I'm saying this, and this is not disrespect to anyone,

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Speaker 7: but when people are talking about what they're doing, if

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Speaker 7: they're not talking about trauma, if they're not talking about

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Speaker 7: taking a holistic approach, I'm like, oh, you know, I

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Speaker 7: need to dig a little deeper and see what you're

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Speaker 7: talking about. Because where I am at this particular point

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Speaker 7: in my life, what I'm seeing, what I'm experiencing, and

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Speaker 7: the work that I'm doing with with the organization I'm

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Speaker 7: part of, in with Journey, that that just has to

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Speaker 7: be a part of the equation addressing the trauma.

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Speaker 1: All right, family, just joining us. I guess this Pearl Walker,

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Speaker 1: he's a represented city of memphisis the city council person there?

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Speaker 1: And let me pick up with something that called and

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01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 1: Florida called about. He says, they have a Mayor's Advisor

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Speaker 1: committee with African American members who advise you the mayor.

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Speaker 3: Is it such a setup in Memphis, Not that I

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01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 3: know of, But.

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Speaker 7: He has advisors. Tell I'm one of his advisors.

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Speaker 3: Know the reason why I asked it because we're you know,

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Speaker 3: we're in a stasive d I.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we don't have a Yeah, we don't have a

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01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 7: quote unquote African American advisory board to our mayor. But

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Speaker 7: I assure you that he does have. He is his

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01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 7: here is listening to many people in this community in

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Speaker 7: addition to our myself, Mayor Paul Jean. I hate referencing

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01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 7: people and not saying their name. That goes back to

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01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 7: the information part of me. But so one thing that

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01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 7: this mayor does is he meets with all the council

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01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 7: members individually every other month and we get to talk

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01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 7: about whatever we want to talk about, ask questions, bring

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Speaker 7: forth initiatives. And I can't say that all of us

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01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 7: meet with him.

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Speaker 6: I know I do.

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Speaker 7: I take advantage of it, and I've been able to

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Speaker 7: get some get some work done, get some projects supported,

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01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 7: you know, through these offline through these offline but very

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01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 7: impactful meeting.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I s I was saying in this in

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01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: the age of d I would that be considered does taboo?

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01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: If he did sell, I've got a black advisory board

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01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: Afghan to make an advisory board in the predominant black

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01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 1: city with folks picking them. What you think it would

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01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: get some pushback?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it would get some pushback. And actually, because of THEEI,

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01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:22,799
Speaker 7: we're having to restructure our small business entity the language

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01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 7: surrounding that. We're dealing with that right now in this moment.

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01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 7: And so as it relates to changes made on the

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Speaker 7: federal level, certain words and language cannot be used.

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Speaker 8: But we need these.

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01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 7: Special initiatives for the support for the opportunities. But it

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01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 7: has come with some passive yet aggressive opposition here locally

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Speaker 7: and even in our local library systems. Certain books like

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Speaker 7: the Diarrhea van Frank you know, and so many others,

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01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 7: they have not been removed from the library, but they

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01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 7: can't be a part of special displays, special collections in

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Speaker 7: the library. And and and sadly I'll end with this

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Speaker 7: as it relates to de Ei, one of the seniors

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Speaker 7: in our community. I think the late is about seventy

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01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 7: two years old and she has been chair of a

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01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 7: black history program at her church for many years now.

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Speaker 7: I was the guest speaker a few years back. We

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01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 7: have a new council chairwoman at a Sweargon, Washington, and

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01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 7: she's going to be the guest speaker next month. I'll

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Speaker 7: be introducing her. And the lady reached out to me

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Speaker 7: and asked me, was it okay for her to put

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Speaker 7: the flyers promoting the black history program in the library?

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Speaker 7: And it's that's just so fast. It's just a sad

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01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 7: state of affairs. But that's where we are, unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: And it seemed to be a breakdown with our young people.

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Speaker 1: And I know they're out there. What are you doing

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Speaker 1: to bridge that gap? How are you bringing them into

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01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 1: the political system and so they understand how it works.

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Speaker 1: As you know, people think it's really easy once you

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01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 1: win the election, it's here on easy Street and once

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01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 1: you get in the office. But they also got some

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01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 1: hurdles and some learning curve. Are you helping our young

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01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 1: people understand what it is to be like a city

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Speaker 1: council person? How much real power that you have?

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Speaker 7: Of real power, that's highly debatable, but I think it

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01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 7: starts with mindfulness and an intent. The mindfulness comes first.

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Speaker 7: So I just hosted a program this past Saturday. It

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Speaker 7: was MLK host I Have a Dream, and when we

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01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 7: focused in on those last three years of his life

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Speaker 7: and that I have a Dream speech to his unfortunate

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01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 7: demise here in Memphis in sixty eight. So from sixty

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Speaker 7: five to sixty eight we talked about his life, his philosophies.

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Speaker 7: Many people say that he was becoming more radical. We

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Speaker 7: look at it as growth, maturity and evolving. And when

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Speaker 7: I put the panel together, I was very mindful about

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Speaker 7: the age and the gender of the participants on the panel.

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Speaker 7: So the youngest person was about thirty and the oldest

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Speaker 7: person on the panel was about seventy, and so I

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Speaker 7: think I did a good job with respect to that.

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Speaker 7: But you have to be mindful and be intentional and

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Speaker 7: bring them into the fold and remember be mindful to

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Speaker 7: include them. And my background is environment is in environmental

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01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 7: and energy justice. One of the council committees we have

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01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 7: is our malg documentsies like gas and water, that's our

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01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:56,759
Speaker 7: public utility. We are actually the largest free service provider

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Speaker 7: of public utilities in the country. And to that I

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Speaker 7: am speaking at a at Rhodes College r h O.

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Speaker 7: D Ees, where where State Representative Dasmind Crockett is an

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01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 7: undergraduate alumni. Although she's not from Memphis, she did attend

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01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 7: college here and a lot of people don't know that.

1510
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 7: But I'll be speaking over there next month to one

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01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 7: of the environmental justice that's what that's the topic and

1512
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 7: the class. I want to say it's in humanities, but

1513
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 7: I don't have nothing from me, but but I'll be

1514
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 7: talking about environmental justice, energy justice, and you just have

1515
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 7: to be mindful and reach out right the walk.

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01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:46,840
Speaker 1: We got to step aside and get caught up on

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01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 1: the ladies trafficking weather at different cities. I'll like to

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01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 1: finish your thought on the other side. Family, you twbo

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01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 1: can join us, reach out to us at eight hundred

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01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six and one ticket

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01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 1: calls were checking trafficking weather. That's next, And thank you

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01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:01,719
Speaker 1: family for joining us on this Thursday morning and grand

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01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 1: rising to all the folks and just checking in. And

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01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 1: we're speaking with Pearl Walker. She's a Memphis City councilwoman

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01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 1: and MOMENTITLD we're gonna speak profession man Nempin but city

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01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,680
Speaker 1: councilor at Walker, we got a requestion. Somebody wanted to

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01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 1: expound on the Heal the Hood program that you mentioned.

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01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 7: Real quick, Heal the Hood, that's just one of the

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01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:28,639
Speaker 7: many English organizations that help They work with they work

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01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 7: with work with young people, and they do they do

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01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 7: things and it's actually it's actually Heal the Hood Foundations

1532
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:43,639
Speaker 7: of Memphis, if you want to find out more about them.

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01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 7: But they specifically deal with our young people and they

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01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 7: they touch on the lives of families as well. They

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01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 7: they do a lot dealing with creators and performing arts.

1536
01:34:56,520 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 7: They offer mentorship, community centers, programming, and they they they're

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01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 7: one of their specific intentions is to is to interrupt

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01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 7: these cycles of balance.

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01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 4: They have.

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01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 7: So the vaccine is you know, they're encouraging them to

1541
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 7: staying fool, study hard, don't get caught up in crime.

1542
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 7: But they they engage them that the enticement are these

1543
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 7: different activity and in programs and programs that are rooted

1544
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:38,639
Speaker 7: in the creative and performing are They have a Hero

1545
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 7: Empowerment Center. They have the same called Artistic Therapy, and

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01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:47,759
Speaker 7: they work with young people from ages seven to twenty

1547
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:55,640
Speaker 7: one and they they do exercises and small but niqual initiatives.

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01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 5: This is like, with respects to their.

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01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 1: Ulver Council on Walker, how that felt right there? Because

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01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 1: we're raising the clock here and Larry and Maryland has

1551
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 1: a quick question for he's online too. Your question for

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01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 1: city council and par Walker.

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01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 4: Is Larry there to, Uh, yeah, can you hear me?

1554
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 3: Go ahead? Yeah, we can hear now your question?

1555
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 4: Okay, grand rise, And I just wanted to. I just

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01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 4: wanted to give you a thumbs up on your research

1557
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 4: about the internal problem that's basically facing our community. Brother

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01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 4: Dick Gregory always talked about forty four percent of the

1559
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:44,679
Speaker 4: crimes that's committed in this country are done by friends

1560
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,639
Speaker 4: and family and people who know each other. I think

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01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 4: you're right on point. And then when you look at

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01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:54,640
Speaker 4: seventy seven percent of the crimes in this country are

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01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 4: done by people under the age of forty that they

1564
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 4: don't have anything yet they have less to lose. And

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01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 4: then when you look at another percentage that he talked about,

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01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 4: was you have fifty fifty. Uh, I can't get that.

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01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 4: I forgot the last part. But you're right on point

1568
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 4: what you're doing. And oh, I know what I wanted

1569
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 4: to say, in the district of Columbia, the Attorney General

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01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 4: reported that fifty nine percent of the crime rate, the

1571
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 4: highest crime rate in the district is from strangulations. That's

1572
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:39,440
Speaker 4: not a crazy killer running around strangling people. That's internal.

1573
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 4: So when we work to get the internal problem in

1574
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 4: our homes corrected, I think we will be on our

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01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 4: way to any other thing that we try to do.

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01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 4: It's time to listen to King rather than looking at

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01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:54,600
Speaker 4: King and.

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01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, and we're going to talk about to

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01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:03,640
Speaker 1: King momancheld uh City Council on Walker. You want to

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01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 1: respond anything that Larry said before we let you go?

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01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's he's right on point. And I'll say this,

1582
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 7: all of all of these, all of these things that

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01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 7: we want for our community and in this country, this society,

1584
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:23,640
Speaker 7: we need to try. We need to build that in

1585
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 7: our home and our immediate neighborhoods first, and it goes

1586
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:32,600
Speaker 7: out exponentially. We do it backwards, We start outright and

1587
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 7: sometimes never work backwards with them, but it does need

1588
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:38,799
Speaker 7: to start within the home, within the family.

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01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,799
Speaker 1: Gotcha, how can folks follow you? A city council on Walker?

1590
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 1: Do you have a website? Email address?

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01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:51,760
Speaker 7: I have an email? Walker group w A l K

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01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 7: E R G R O g T nine zero one

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01:38:56,360 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 7: at Gmail. I'm on Facebook. It's the old people. It's

1594
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 7: Pearl Walker. Out from me out for my name is

1595
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 7: any Equity and I have a really hot blue page.

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01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:12,680
Speaker 6: How m R M r ye on.

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01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 7: Facebook, missus, Grace expectations and it's a lot of good

1598
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:18,960
Speaker 7: stuff on there. The number is nine zero one to

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Speaker 7: eight nine sixty nine zero nine.

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you, this is the Pearl Walker. Thank

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01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 3: you what you do.

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01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 1: We've got somebody looking out for our folks down there

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01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:29,559
Speaker 1: in Memphis, so thank you for what you're doing. Thank

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01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 1: you for sharing your thoughts for this this morning.

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01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 7: Thank you all, and thank you everyone who chose to

1606
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:37,760
Speaker 7: tune in during this segment. Thank you all so much.

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01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 7: Oh be safe, got all this weather, bad weather coming

1608
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 7: this weekend, y'all be safe.

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01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you for reminding us about that.

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01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 1: Eight after the Top Day, let's go over to California.

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01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 1: Professor Manu and Penny's waiting for us Grand Rising. Professor

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01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:54,599
Speaker 1: man You, welcome back to the program.

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01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 5: Good morning, Brother Carlon knows. I'm glad to be back

1614
01:39:58,800 --> 01:39:59,599
Speaker 5: for Grand Rising.

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01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:05,599
Speaker 1: And that's what Black and shining. That's what we love

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01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 1: to be each and every day, black and shining. But

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01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, though, we want to talk

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01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 1: about doctor King's political and economic program. You say, and

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01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:15,240
Speaker 1: you did your thesis on this, so I want you

1620
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 1: to tell us about that. But also you say some

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01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:19,680
Speaker 1: of his some of the things that doctor King did

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01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 1: being suppressed, why.

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01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 3: And what are they?

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01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:28,439
Speaker 5: Basically, most of his political career over the twelve and

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01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 5: a half years has been misunderstood, misrepresented, misinterpreted, misquoted by

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01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 5: misguided opinions. And the goal has always been to take

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01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 5: one of the greatest activists in the modern era in

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01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 5: the twentieth century and turn him into an abstract dreamer,

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01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:52,639
Speaker 5: so that every year people can only talk about quote

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01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:56,599
Speaker 5: unquote living the dream or trying to atrieve the quote

1631
01:40:56,680 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 5: unquote dream, and not understanding that King ley out a

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01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 5: political program and was moving towards that program before he

1633
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 5: was set up by the FBI and assassinated. So if

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01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 5: people are only concerned about an abstract dream as opposed

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01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 5: to his practical work, and there's nothing really to follow

1636
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 5: up on. So it's been very effective propaganda by biographers, historians, journalist,

1637
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 5: old civil rights activists, and even members of his family,

1638
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 5: which has split, by the way, have been participants in

1639
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 5: misrepresenting doctor King. So he's gone from a political activist

1640
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 5: to an abstract dreamer. So we are looking at the

1641
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:42,519
Speaker 5: fact that things have been thoroughly misrepresented so that people

1642
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 5: don't know what to do to follow up, but we

1643
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 5: can look at So King is the most misrepresent figure

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01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:51,559
Speaker 5: in a leader in US history. I argue that from

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01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 5: my primary research. But also if people look at the

1646
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 5: larger picture, they'll see that. If you talk about Montgomery, Alabama,

1647
01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:01,840
Speaker 5: then what comes of mind is Rosa Parks refusing to

1648
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:05,600
Speaker 5: give a perceipt on December one, nineteen fifty five, and

1649
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:10,479
Speaker 5: they don't know about the underlying organization by the Women's

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01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 5: Political Council led by Joann Robinson and the NAACP in

1651
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 5: Montgomery led by Ed Nixon, organizations that were already poised

1652
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 5: and ready to take down the system of Jim Crow

1653
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:28,879
Speaker 5: racial segregation. So people are thinking about individuals as opposed

1654
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:33,000
Speaker 5: to organization. And it's simply because we have not read

1655
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 5: the record, we haven't gone to the text, and King

1656
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 5: is right for misrepresentation because there is enough material for

1657
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:45,720
Speaker 5: propagandists to completely lead the public. Austray one are the

1658
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:51,520
Speaker 5: greatest activists in US history. Who has sermons, press conferences, speeches.

1659
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 5: He wrote five books that hardly anybody in the country

1660
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 5: has ever read. So it's not difficult to misrepresent King.

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01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 5: So we don't continue to political work.

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01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this at twelve after the top

1663
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:06,720
Speaker 1: of that. Was this done deliberately or was it just,

1664
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 1: you know, it just organically happened that he's been misrepresented.

1665
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:16,599
Speaker 5: This is done very strategically and deliberately. Like for example,

1666
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:21,160
Speaker 5: the most popular speech, arguably the most popular speech in

1667
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 5: the history of America, is is I Have a Dream?

1668
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:27,040
Speaker 5: Speech that he gave on August twenty eighth, nineteen sixty three,

1669
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:32,320
Speaker 5: under Marshall Washington. It's a sixteen minute speech, but what

1670
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 5: the public gets by careful media editing is the last

1671
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,960
Speaker 5: three to four minutes when he's talking about a dream.

1672
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 5: He was not in DC to talk about a dream.

1673
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 5: He was there to talk about the American reality.

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01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 3: And so.

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01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 5: If people listen to the first twelve minutes of the speech,

1676
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 5: they'll know that he was condemning American racism and white supremacy.

1677
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:58,679
Speaker 5: He condemns police brutality not once, but twice in the speech,

1678
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:01,280
Speaker 5: he said that they were the quarter million people were

1679
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 5: there to dramatize a shameful condition because black people still

1680
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:09,280
Speaker 5: were not free, and he he you know, he particularly

1681
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:12,879
Speaker 5: talked about the vicious racists in Alabama in other places.

1682
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 5: And because the people don't like King with his his

1683
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 5: his strict criticism of American racism and what he called

1684
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:27,639
Speaker 5: himself white supremacy, they they skipped through the speech when

1685
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:32,760
Speaker 5: at the end King is saying, despite these problems, as

1686
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,320
Speaker 5: an activist, he said, despite these problems, I still have

1687
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:38,080
Speaker 5: a dream that one day the country could be better.

1688
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 5: He's not there talking about a dream. But as a leader,

1689
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:44,680
Speaker 5: you have to leave people from the event on a

1690
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 5: note that inspires him to go out and act. As

1691
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:50,640
Speaker 5: he discussed all of the problems, he didn't leave it

1692
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:53,479
Speaker 5: at that. He just gives at the end what could

1693
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:58,480
Speaker 5: be in a in a dream. So it's very calculated.

1694
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:00,960
Speaker 5: So what I do when I played each is I

1695
01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 5: simply played the first twelve minutes and not the last

1696
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:07,639
Speaker 5: four because he's not there talking about a dream. It's

1697
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:12,040
Speaker 5: been very carefully edited. Not only so that's the most

1698
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 5: popular speech when you go to other documents, they also

1699
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:20,360
Speaker 5: have been suppressed, edited, and completely distorted. And this is

1700
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:25,400
Speaker 5: why it's easy to misrepresent King so much. So, for example,

1701
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:28,840
Speaker 5: this is one of the most shocking things that thirty

1702
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 5: years after doctor King's assassination on April fourth, nineteen sixty eight,

1703
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:39,920
Speaker 5: thirty years later, doctor Claiborne Carson at Stanford University, who

1704
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 5: was headed the papers there which had been given by

1705
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 5: the King Center in Atlanta and the family Clayborn Carson,

1706
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 5: violated all academic rules, all academic protocol and wrote a

1707
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:59,040
Speaker 5: so called auto biography of doctor King. How could he

1708
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 5: write an autobiography? Nobody can write your self story outo

1709
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 5: mean self. He could have wrote a biography, or he

1710
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 5: could have said these are the selected works of doctor King,

1711
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:13,600
Speaker 5: but no, to mislead the public and academic fraud, he

1712
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:17,479
Speaker 5: called the book the auto biography of doctor King. And

1713
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 5: I know for a fact that when I saw that,

1714
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:24,200
Speaker 5: I was shocked that how could he or anybody publish

1715
01:46:24,240 --> 01:46:27,280
Speaker 5: an autobiography. I was very careful and spending over one

1716
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:31,800
Speaker 5: thousand hours going through all of the King records, in archives,

1717
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:36,920
Speaker 5: his writings, press conferences, speeches, the FBI headquarters, you name it.

1718
01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:41,040
Speaker 5: And I was shocked. So when I actually took a

1719
01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 5: look at the book as I suspected not a single

1720
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:48,240
Speaker 5: word by Claiborne Carson that doctor King ever had any

1721
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 5: plans of writing an autobiography, and that King never had

1722
01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:57,320
Speaker 5: any plan. He never set aside any records, any documents

1723
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:00,560
Speaker 5: to be published later about his life, nor did his

1724
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:03,880
Speaker 5: wife Kretit Scott King. No one was thinking about that

1725
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:08,840
Speaker 5: at the time, and so the Claiborne Carson wrote the

1726
01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:11,600
Speaker 5: book and called it an out of biography. Why did

1727
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:14,559
Speaker 5: he just call it an authorized biography? Because the late

1728
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:18,639
Speaker 5: the late Coretitscott King, doctor King's wife co signed the book,

1729
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:23,599
Speaker 5: and they were promoting the popular idea that that King

1730
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:27,840
Speaker 5: was simply focused on on on dreaming and nonviolence. That

1731
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 5: is not the whole story at all. I see that

1732
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 5: they left out his important essay on black Power defined.

1733
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 5: I see that they left out his very important work

1734
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:43,680
Speaker 5: on a Testament of Hope. They left out some of

1735
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:46,880
Speaker 5: the most important writings and speeches and sermons of doctor

1736
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:50,160
Speaker 5: King because they don't validate the story. And I see

1737
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:53,000
Speaker 5: that they left out all of the references of doctor King,

1738
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:56,599
Speaker 5: and there's many of them of him working to support

1739
01:47:56,720 --> 01:48:01,280
Speaker 5: the the the African Armed liber eneration movements on the

1740
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:05,000
Speaker 5: continent that he's supported without hesitation or reservation.

1741
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 1: And hold, I thought right there, Man Man new m P.

1742
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:11,360
Speaker 1: Because I take a short break and I know we're

1743
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 1: going to dig deep in some of those things that

1744
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:15,920
Speaker 1: you just mentioned about Doctor King. Family, got a question

1745
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:18,160
Speaker 1: about doctor Martin Luther King Junior. Some man you need

1746
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 1: to talk to is Professor Man new m Pinny did

1747
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:23,640
Speaker 1: these thesis on doctor King, and you can reach him

1748
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:26,679
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy

1749
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:28,760
Speaker 1: six and gonna take your phone calls next and Grand

1750
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for starting your Thursday with us at

1751
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:34,200
Speaker 1: our guest, Professor May new M Pinney. He's a historian

1752
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:36,679
Speaker 1: and also a top researcher. He's the one who found

1753
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:38,640
Speaker 1: out that the Willy Lynch letter was a fake. You

1754
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:41,080
Speaker 1: know people still quoting the Willy Lynch letter and saying

1755
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:42,960
Speaker 1: that's a fake. Well, that's a whole other issue here.

1756
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 1: We're talking about Martin Luther King Junior. He's done a

1757
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:47,720
Speaker 1: lot of research into doctor King and he says they're

1758
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 1: trying to sanitize doctor King's past. He's what doctor King

1759
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:54,280
Speaker 1: for the Black did for the Black movement locally and

1760
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 1: abroad as well, and also some of his economic and

1761
01:48:57,120 --> 01:49:01,519
Speaker 1: political leanings that we don't hear about from doctor King. So, Professor,

1762
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 1: I much can't you and tell so some of these

1763
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:07,680
Speaker 1: different issues that doctor King talked about and proclaimed that

1764
01:49:08,160 --> 01:49:11,960
Speaker 1: was locked into somehow that we're not being told. And

1765
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:13,840
Speaker 1: if you can tell us of the reason why would

1766
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 1: not be.

1767
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:20,160
Speaker 5: Told this, yes, yes, exactly, so is to make sure

1768
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:22,559
Speaker 5: that we don't know that we that the public does

1769
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:25,960
Speaker 5: not continue with the political work of doctor King. He

1770
01:49:26,200 --> 01:49:30,760
Speaker 5: lays out his plan and so his last book, and

1771
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:33,360
Speaker 5: I could actually and you, obviously, Brother Carl, have a

1772
01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:36,840
Speaker 5: very informed audience. But even in the most informed audiences

1773
01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:42,000
Speaker 5: and environments in the country, hardly anyone has read his books,

1774
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 5: any of his books. And I've never really come I've

1775
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:48,920
Speaker 5: come across one person in my entire career since doing

1776
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 5: the work on doctor King in the nineteen eighties that

1777
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:55,680
Speaker 5: could even list its five books. And then when I

1778
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:58,640
Speaker 5: ask the persone that's very good. Then I had to

1779
01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:00,639
Speaker 5: go a little deeper, ask them have you read them?

1780
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 5: He said, I hadn't read them, but I know the list.

1781
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:05,240
Speaker 5: I said, well, you still get at least an a

1782
01:50:05,439 --> 01:50:08,000
Speaker 5: minus that you can list the books. So when I

1783
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 5: do this assignment and ask students to list his books,

1784
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:14,920
Speaker 5: to hear from him firsthand rather than what someone had

1785
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:18,600
Speaker 5: to say about Doctor King. It's very difficult to do.

1786
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 5: Even with the Internet. You go online and the autobiography,

1787
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 5: for example, pops up, or other books pop up, but

1788
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 5: not the list and so. But that's by desire to

1789
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:31,400
Speaker 5: make sure that people are off the trail, so that

1790
01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:35,439
Speaker 5: you could have a great political figure who was hated

1791
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:39,400
Speaker 5: across America in nineteen sixty six and sixty seven and

1792
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 5: sixty eight, when the hot coals hit his lips and

1793
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 5: he's criticizing everybody. He said the Congress was running a

1794
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:50,120
Speaker 5: monk with racism. He condemned what he called white supremacy.

1795
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 5: He totally went in on the American government, said this

1796
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:56,839
Speaker 5: was his own government, was the greatest purveyor of violence

1797
01:50:57,320 --> 01:51:00,680
Speaker 5: in the world. And he had an ongoing feud with

1798
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:04,320
Speaker 5: the FBI and JEGO, who were so the FBI was

1799
01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:07,320
Speaker 5: clear about the real Doctor King, the activists and not

1800
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:11,839
Speaker 5: the dreamer. They knew that since nineteen sixty two, the FBI,

1801
01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:16,000
Speaker 5: they organized a get King campaign and he became the

1802
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:19,559
Speaker 5: most surveillance and watch person in the history of the US.

1803
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:24,080
Speaker 5: They were far more concerned about Doctor King than anyone else,

1804
01:51:24,120 --> 01:51:27,280
Speaker 5: and that includes Malcolm X, because they understood that they

1805
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:29,760
Speaker 5: couldn't buy off Doctor King and get him out of

1806
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 5: the streets. The FBI tried to get doctor King to

1807
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:40,040
Speaker 5: commit suicide by sending him a ridiculous letter. They even

1808
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:42,840
Speaker 5: tried to break up his family and tried to lure

1809
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:47,840
Speaker 5: him from instead of demonstrating for rights, to actually just

1810
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:51,080
Speaker 5: go around and lecture about them only. And they couldn't

1811
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:53,800
Speaker 5: do that. And JEGO, who were ahead of the FBI,

1812
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:57,120
Speaker 5: hated Doctor King, but they were very aware that the

1813
01:51:57,240 --> 01:52:00,639
Speaker 5: man was dangerous because they couldn't do anything ain't with him.

1814
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:04,360
Speaker 5: So there's wired taps on his home phone and the

1815
01:52:04,479 --> 01:52:07,160
Speaker 5: phones of his organization that he was ahead of, the

1816
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:10,519
Speaker 5: Southern Christian Leadership Conference that with microphones, and hotels and

1817
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:14,599
Speaker 5: motels wherever he traveled, and there were FBI informansts within

1818
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:18,400
Speaker 5: the SCLC. So the FBI was very good. This man

1819
01:52:18,479 --> 01:52:21,320
Speaker 5: needed to be stopped and they were clear about it.

1820
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:26,280
Speaker 5: But the public has generally been sold a phony bill

1821
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:29,040
Speaker 5: of goods that does not add up when you actually

1822
01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 5: look at the record. And this turns people sideways. They

1823
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:38,040
Speaker 5: think that somehow the record is being misrepresented. No, sir,

1824
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:42,360
Speaker 5: I'm presenting what King presented. So for example, brother Carl,

1825
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:47,400
Speaker 5: if anybody and most people do, calls anyone who calls

1826
01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:51,519
Speaker 5: doctor King a civil rights leader and leaves it at that,

1827
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:56,639
Speaker 5: they've distorted it doctor King, because after nineteen sixty five,

1828
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:59,640
Speaker 5: he is no longer dealing with civil rights. He's not

1829
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 5: even really discussing civil rights, but he certainly is not

1830
01:53:02,439 --> 01:53:06,720
Speaker 5: promoting it. King and his organization said that after the

1831
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:10,040
Speaker 5: Civil Rights Bill was passed in nineteen sixty four, and

1832
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:13,960
Speaker 5: particularly the Voting Rights Act passed in nineteen sixty five,

1833
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:17,720
Speaker 5: their position was, and they said it out loud without reservation,

1834
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:22,679
Speaker 5: that in a sense, Congress signed the civil rights movement

1835
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:26,000
Speaker 5: out of existence. So you was fining with in nineteen

1836
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 5: sixty six onward, Doctor King is exclusively focusing on human

1837
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 5: rights and the acquisition of power. And this is very

1838
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:38,720
Speaker 5: clear from dozens and dozens and dozens of records. So

1839
01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:42,840
Speaker 5: he's not simply a civil rights leader. That's a misrepresentation

1840
01:53:43,160 --> 01:53:47,200
Speaker 5: of obvious facts. He is somebody that embraced and was

1841
01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:52,640
Speaker 5: moving towards implementing a human rights strategy. And so this

1842
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:55,800
Speaker 5: is why it's important to read the documents that Clayborne

1843
01:53:55,880 --> 01:54:00,240
Speaker 5: Carson left out strategically like black Power defined, he's not well.

1844
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:03,880
Speaker 5: No civil rights or folks can read his last book,

1845
01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:06,800
Speaker 5: which is public and available, and that is where do

1846
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:10,559
Speaker 5: we go from here? Chaos or community? He lays out

1847
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:14,120
Speaker 5: a plan of what to do, and he's dealing with

1848
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:18,400
Speaker 5: how do we organize how do we organize in the

1849
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:23,280
Speaker 5: black community for economic and political power. Yes, he's laying

1850
01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 5: out a plan to help implement that. Nobody had all

1851
01:54:28,479 --> 01:54:31,360
Speaker 5: of the answers, Malcolm or no one else did. But

1852
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:35,040
Speaker 5: so King admitted that he was searching like anybody else,

1853
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:38,160
Speaker 5: but he's dealing with human rights in sixty six and

1854
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:42,320
Speaker 5: sixty seventy sixty eight. In this increasingly worried the FBI

1855
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:45,560
Speaker 5: that King was going to create as they were arguing

1856
01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:49,080
Speaker 5: a blood bath in Washington, d C. When doctor King

1857
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:53,400
Speaker 5: was organizing for the Poor People's Campaign and the Poor

1858
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:56,920
Speaker 5: People's Campaign was going to be launched in Washington, D C.

1859
01:54:57,600 --> 01:55:01,960
Speaker 5: In late April nineteen sixty eight, King was campaigning saying

1860
01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:06,480
Speaker 5: that the Poor People's Campaign was quote a last desperate

1861
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:11,320
Speaker 5: attempt for nonviolence. So when he was meeting in DC

1862
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:14,840
Speaker 5: with the with the with the Black Power Advocates and

1863
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:21,640
Speaker 5: the Young, the Young Brothers and the Black Liberation Army

1864
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:25,680
Speaker 5: and so forth. They were having secret meetings about the

1865
01:55:25,800 --> 01:55:29,879
Speaker 5: Poor People's campaign and what would be the next phase

1866
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:32,880
Speaker 5: of the struggle after that. They thought these were private meetings,

1867
01:55:32,920 --> 01:55:37,200
Speaker 5: but they weren't. The FBI was documenting all of this,

1868
01:55:37,560 --> 01:55:40,280
Speaker 5: and I spent hundreds and hundreds of hours at the

1869
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:45,760
Speaker 5: FBI headquarters and it's amazing the documents that were produced.

1870
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:49,640
Speaker 5: So people obviously know about counter intelligence program, but if

1871
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:53,480
Speaker 5: you go to the archives, you have to look at

1872
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:56,000
Speaker 5: the documents that are under the category to show you

1873
01:55:56,080 --> 01:56:01,240
Speaker 5: how these white men were foolishly out of touch they

1874
01:56:01,320 --> 01:56:06,600
Speaker 5: thought black people and doctor King was simply demonstrating against

1875
01:56:06,640 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 5: the Jim Crow system because of outside communist agitators. They

1876
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:13,880
Speaker 5: didn't think that black people had any legitimate reason to

1877
01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:17,920
Speaker 5: be challenging the racist system in the US. And so

1878
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:22,800
Speaker 5: the files to go to see the files, the overall

1879
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:26,880
Speaker 5: arching file at the FBI headquarters there in DC is

1880
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:33,320
Speaker 5: communist influence in racial matters, Yes, Communist influence in racial matters.

1881
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:36,440
Speaker 5: And then under that to see doctor King and a

1882
01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:39,200
Speaker 5: lot of the organizations and leaders. You then have to

1883
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:44,520
Speaker 5: look at the file group called Black Nationalist Hate Groups. Yes,

1884
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:47,480
Speaker 5: they found them as Black Nationalists hate groups, and that's

1885
01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:53,560
Speaker 5: where you find all of the organization NAVISTI, the NAACP, core,

1886
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:58,160
Speaker 5: Nick King's organization, you name it, they were listed in

1887
01:56:58,280 --> 01:57:02,800
Speaker 5: that category. So there's many reasons for this, but you

1888
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:05,360
Speaker 5: have people that want to make sure that black folks

1889
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:09,680
Speaker 5: are confused about their own leadership, and plans that were

1890
01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:14,440
Speaker 5: not just laid out theoretically but practical plans like the

1891
01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:17,560
Speaker 5: Poor People's campaign to shut down the government so it'll

1892
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:21,960
Speaker 5: be no more business as usual, no vehicular traffic, no

1893
01:57:22,120 --> 01:57:24,680
Speaker 5: pedestrian traffic, and they were going to jam up all

1894
01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:27,440
Speaker 5: of the phone line so there'll be no more business

1895
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:31,720
Speaker 5: as usual coming out of DC unless there was an

1896
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 5: economic bill of rights in the billions of dollars given

1897
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:41,960
Speaker 5: to the disadvantage. And so the goal was to destabilize

1898
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:46,879
Speaker 5: the government for three months, and there was different phases,

1899
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:48,920
Speaker 5: and so while that was happening, then it was the

1900
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 5: destabilized cities around the country and King would always talk

1901
01:57:53,720 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 5: about how do you disable the city without actually destroying

1902
01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:03,880
Speaker 5: it with the burning down and destroying buildings, and so

1903
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:06,520
Speaker 5: they were going to do the same tactics in other

1904
01:58:06,640 --> 01:58:09,120
Speaker 5: cities around the country, and the FBI wanted to make

1905
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:12,320
Speaker 5: sure that King did not lead what they called a

1906
01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:14,080
Speaker 5: bloodbath in Washington.

1907
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:14,040
Speaker 3: D C.

1908
01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:16,920
Speaker 5: So he had to be assassinated before this plan could

1909
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:20,320
Speaker 5: be implemented. And King told the other activists that look,

1910
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:23,720
Speaker 5: give us three months and if this doesn't work, this

1911
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:26,920
Speaker 5: last desperate attempt for nonviolence, the new Brothers can take

1912
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:29,720
Speaker 5: over with any method you think would solve the problem.

1913
01:58:30,040 --> 01:58:32,560
Speaker 5: People be very surprised that King was not locked in

1914
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:37,960
Speaker 5: indefinitely under all circumstances to nonviolence. He just thought that

1915
01:58:38,240 --> 01:58:42,400
Speaker 5: practically that the US government was running them up with

1916
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:46,160
Speaker 5: racism and that they were vicious white supremacists on the

1917
01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:49,440
Speaker 5: right wing that were not, as he said, wouldn't hesitate

1918
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:53,200
Speaker 5: to exterminate that's his term, every black man, woman, and child.

1919
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:55,920
Speaker 5: And they had the National Guard, the army, and the

1920
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:58,160
Speaker 5: police to back them up. So people.

1921
01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:02,640
Speaker 1: Fessa ampin twenty nine. Away from the top, they have

1922
01:59:02,720 --> 01:59:05,480
Speaker 1: family teachers that contrast, the college were discussing doctor King.

1923
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:07,160
Speaker 1: Some of the things that you probably going to hear

1924
01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:10,440
Speaker 1: for the first time about doctor King. Let's go back

1925
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:13,960
Speaker 1: where this all started. The Kennedy Boys, some people think,

1926
01:59:14,160 --> 01:59:15,680
Speaker 1: is you know, back in the day, you you probably

1927
01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:18,000
Speaker 1: going in many black homes, you'll see pictures of King

1928
01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:22,000
Speaker 1: and the Kennedy Boys there as well as they made

1929
01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:24,520
Speaker 1: fans and churches. You'd see they're all three of them together.

1930
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Speaker 1: But we came to find out that they were instruments.

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Speaker 1: They were the ones who actually gave Jay Cahover the

1932
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Speaker 1: ok to Sevail King to do the wires. Happy has

1933
01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:36,480
Speaker 1: that been exposed the people understand that that, do they

1934
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Speaker 1: take a different look at rfkn JFK once they find

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Speaker 1: that out?

1936
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Speaker 3: Or is any truth to it?

1937
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Speaker 5: There's definitely truth to it. As a matter of fact,

1938
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Speaker 5: we have to add the fourth person to these posters,

1939
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Speaker 5: and when these posters first came out, it was not

1940
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:54,720
Speaker 5: Martin Luther King, but President John F. Kennedy Kennedy his brother,

1941
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Speaker 5: the Attorney General Robert Kennedy, who certainly did give the

1942
01:59:58,240 --> 02:00:03,280
Speaker 5: okay for the FBI to break all laws to Kennedy's King.

1943
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Speaker 5: But we also have to add Malcolm X. The distortions

1944
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Speaker 5: are so wide and broad that if anybody just does

1945
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Speaker 5: a casual look online or Malcolm X, they will always

1946
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Speaker 5: see him as a quote unquote civil rights leader. And

1947
02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:22,680
Speaker 5: any informed person knows that Malcolm condemned the civil rights

1948
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Speaker 5: activists and movement and thought that they were foolish to

1949
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Speaker 5: not defend themselves in these marches and demonstrations. Malcolm had

1950
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Speaker 5: been arguing for human rights for many years, but yet

1951
02:00:34,920 --> 02:00:38,400
Speaker 5: today his image has been distorted as a so called

1952
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Speaker 5: civil rights leader. Now, if anybody can understand that that

1953
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Speaker 5: they would do that to Malcolm X, then clearly so

1954
02:00:45,720 --> 02:00:48,120
Speaker 5: it's not so far fresh for them to understand that

1955
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Speaker 5: King has also been thoroughly distorted. King did not trust

1956
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Speaker 5: John Kennedy or his brother. He said that these were

1957
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Speaker 5: politicians that would only do something it would helped their

1958
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Speaker 5: political career. This is why you never find King endorsing

1959
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Speaker 5: the Kennedys, are any politician or any political party. King

1960
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Speaker 5: did not endorse political parties, and he didn't endorse presidential candidate,

1961
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Speaker 5: and he was not somebody that promoted any of the parties.

1962
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Speaker 5: And he was a registered Democrat, and he's promoting this

1963
02:01:18,240 --> 02:01:20,920
Speaker 5: not at all. As a matter of fact, one thing

1964
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:23,960
Speaker 5: that people should understand is that on the one hand,

1965
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Speaker 5: John F. Kennedy is misrepresented as some They are always

1966
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Speaker 5: looking for white heroes. He's misrepresented as some civil rights

1967
02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:35,480
Speaker 5: president John and hell could he be a civil rights

1968
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Speaker 5: president when in August of nineteen sixty three, the greatest

1969
02:01:40,120 --> 02:01:44,560
Speaker 5: demonstration for civil rights was under Kennedy's administration. As a

1970
02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:47,520
Speaker 5: matter of fact, John F. Kennedy tried to stop the

1971
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Speaker 5: March on Washington.

1972
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Speaker 3: John F.

1973
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Speaker 5: Kennedy was embarrassed by the March on Washington, as doctor

1974
02:01:52,680 --> 02:01:54,960
Speaker 5: King said that this would go down as one of

1975
02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:58,280
Speaker 5: the greatest demonstrations for rights in the history of the country,

1976
02:01:58,600 --> 02:02:01,200
Speaker 5: and it was a thrones throw from the White House.

1977
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Speaker 3: So John F.

1978
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:06,640
Speaker 5: Kennedy was totally embarrassed that he was doing nothing to

1979
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Speaker 5: stop the white supremists from not only clearly taking away

1980
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:14,640
Speaker 5: basic rights from black people, but beating and brutalizing people

1981
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Speaker 5: who were challenging America to live up to its phony

1982
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Speaker 5: and fake Creed decrees and laws. The Fourteenth Amendment in

1983
02:02:24,360 --> 02:02:29,320
Speaker 5: eighteen sixty eight should have made it unnecessary for a

1984
02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:34,040
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty four civil rights bill almost a century later,

1985
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:37,400
Speaker 5: and John F. Kennedy was doing nothing, So he was

1986
02:02:37,440 --> 02:02:40,440
Speaker 5: embarrassed by that. And John F. Kennedy was also embarrassed

1987
02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:49,800
Speaker 5: because of the demonstrations on the news, live on the news,

1988
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Speaker 5: showing black people being beat up in Birmingham being beat up,

1989
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:57,280
Speaker 5: and they were just demonstrating for basie Rice and Kennedy

1990
02:02:57,360 --> 02:02:59,760
Speaker 5: did nothing about it. Later on, when it was in

1991
02:02:59,800 --> 02:03:04,160
Speaker 5: the sensible that this was absurd that Kennedy talked about

1992
02:03:04,240 --> 02:03:07,040
Speaker 5: civil rights. This was a political move but had nothing

1993
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:09,480
Speaker 5: to do with ethics or morality or anything else. But

1994
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Speaker 5: King did not trust the Kennedy's and he made that

1995
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Speaker 5: very clear that these men are not to be trusted,

1996
02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:17,280
Speaker 5: They're not to be followed, and they so they get

1997
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Speaker 5: credit for no reason at all other than they looking

1998
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Speaker 5: for another white hero.

1999
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Speaker 1: All right, hold that though right there, we got to

2000
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Speaker 1: step aside for a few moments. We'll come back Thomas

2001
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:27,480
Speaker 1: and DC has a question for you. Also got a

2002
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:31,400
Speaker 1: tweet question for you about doctor King's thoughts on reparations family.

2003
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Speaker 1: You two can join our conversation with Our guest is

2004
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Speaker 1: Professor may new and Penn from Contracosta College in northern California.

2005
02:03:37,200 --> 02:03:40,360
Speaker 1: He's a researcher and all things history about us.

2006
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Speaker 3: This is what he does.

2007
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Speaker 1: You want to speak to him, reach out to us

2008
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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six,

2009
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Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

2010
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Speaker 1: and thanks for sharing your Thursday morning with us and

2011
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Speaker 1: our guests. Professor May and new M. Penn discussing Dr

2012
02:03:54,080 --> 02:03:56,600
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Junior. He said, some of the issues

2013
02:03:56,640 --> 02:03:58,640
Speaker 1: that we know about doctor King have been kept from

2014
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Speaker 1: the public.

2015
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Speaker 3: He was talking me.

2016
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Speaker 1: It's a political and social programs that doctor King was involved.

2017
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Speaker 1: Also doctor King's movement with the Black Power movement that

2018
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Speaker 1: also they're trying to obscure.

2019
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Speaker 3: Well.

2020
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Speaker 1: Professor Manton, he did his thesis for his masters on

2021
02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:13,680
Speaker 1: doctor King at Morgan State, so he's got some information

2022
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:15,160
Speaker 1: he wants to share with us before we go back

2023
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Speaker 1: to the Learn's remind you tos Friday. So we're going

2024
02:04:17,480 --> 02:04:18,960
Speaker 1: to give you another chance to free your mind all

2025
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Speaker 1: that means it's a thing for yourself and join us

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Speaker 1: in our open phone Friday program. We became promptly at

2027
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Speaker 1: six am Eastern Time right here in Baltimore on ten

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Speaker 1: ten WLB. Also in the GMV on fourteen fifty WL.

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Speaker 1: All right, Professor MPM. Thomas is waiting for us. He's

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Speaker 1: calling from Washington, DC as a question for you. He's online.

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Speaker 1: Two Grant rising, Thomas, you I'm a professor.

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Speaker 4: Mpm uh yeah, happy Sunshine. I wanted to ask a

2033
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Speaker 4: question about could you speak on the speech that doctor

2034
02:04:49,800 --> 02:04:55,320
Speaker 4: King made when he received a Nobel Peace Prize and

2035
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Speaker 4: the speech beyond Vietnam what they definitely don't want us

2036
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Speaker 4: to hear. And lastly that doctor King moved from civil

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Speaker 4: rights to himan rights and he was one of the

2038
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Speaker 4: first people in Alabama who applied for a gun after

2039
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Speaker 4: his house was bombed and he was denied.

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Speaker 6: I just wanted you to speak on that, all right,

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Speaker 6: thanks Thomas, Well, thank you, brother.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So several things we'll see. So his let's see

2043
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Speaker 5: his speech Beyond Vietnam. King gave that speech for April fourth,

2044
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Speaker 5: nineteen sixty seven, and it's ironic that that was exactly

2045
02:05:43,200 --> 02:05:46,160
Speaker 5: one year to the day before he was assassinated. And

2046
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:50,080
Speaker 5: all the speeches that doctor King gave, the man traveled

2047
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:56,080
Speaker 5: estimated three hundred and twenty thousand miles or so a year,

2048
02:05:56,400 --> 02:05:59,400
Speaker 5: going to different places to help people with their struggles

2049
02:06:00,160 --> 02:06:04,080
Speaker 5: or justice in their campaigns. But that one speech beyond Vietnam,

2050
02:06:04,160 --> 02:06:06,440
Speaker 5: he gave it the Riverside Church in New York, was

2051
02:06:07,240 --> 02:06:10,880
Speaker 5: the speech that he weighed the most because he knew

2052
02:06:11,120 --> 02:06:14,120
Speaker 5: that once he gave that speech, there was no turning back.

2053
02:06:14,680 --> 02:06:19,600
Speaker 5: And in the speech Beyond Vietnam, Doctor King, he clearly

2054
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:23,400
Speaker 5: indicated that the US was the greatest purveyor of violence

2055
02:06:23,440 --> 02:06:26,320
Speaker 5: in the world, and that the US government, the US

2056
02:06:26,440 --> 02:06:31,800
Speaker 5: military had destroyed the Vietnamese, as he said, two most

2057
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:35,920
Speaker 5: cherished institutions, the family in the village, and that the

2058
02:06:36,080 --> 02:06:40,240
Speaker 5: United States needs to pay reparations because of this destruction.

2059
02:06:40,840 --> 02:06:43,520
Speaker 5: He also said in the speech that was very important

2060
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Speaker 5: that we in the West must support, as he said,

2061
02:06:49,840 --> 02:06:52,960
Speaker 5: the shirtless and barefoot people of the world. Remember he

2062
02:06:53,120 --> 02:06:56,160
Speaker 5: was a minister, he was concerned about the least of these.

2063
02:06:56,680 --> 02:06:59,520
Speaker 5: So in the Beyond Vietnam speech, not only as he

2064
02:06:59,560 --> 02:07:02,880
Speaker 5: could his as in America is the greatest pavy violence

2065
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Speaker 5: in the world, but that we need to support the

2066
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Speaker 5: barefoot and shirtless people, and that so, for example, what

2067
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Speaker 5: he says in the speech is that these are revolutionary times.

2068
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Speaker 5: All over the globe. Men are revolting against old systems

2069
02:07:17,360 --> 02:07:20,360
Speaker 5: of exploitation and oppression, and out of the wombs of

2070
02:07:20,440 --> 02:07:23,800
Speaker 5: a frail world, new systems of justice and equality are

2071
02:07:23,880 --> 02:07:26,960
Speaker 5: being born to shirtless and barefoot people of the world

2072
02:07:27,080 --> 02:07:30,360
Speaker 5: are rising up like never before. We in the West

2073
02:07:30,520 --> 02:07:34,840
Speaker 5: must support these revolutions. He's not talking about revolutions that

2074
02:07:35,080 --> 02:07:38,520
Speaker 5: were engaged in peaceful protests, not at all. We're talking

2075
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:45,720
Speaker 5: about armed revolutionary movements to kick out Western imperialists who

2076
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Speaker 5: were destroying countries in Vietnam and different parts of Africa.

2077
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Speaker 5: So it's one of his most important speeches, to say

2078
02:07:54,160 --> 02:07:57,400
Speaker 5: the least. Another very important speech of doctor King looking

2079
02:07:57,440 --> 02:07:59,760
Speaker 5: at human rights is the Speeci that he gave on

2080
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Speaker 5: December tenth, nineteen sixty five. Now remember this is after

2081
02:08:04,440 --> 02:08:08,160
Speaker 5: the voting Rights Bill had been passed in August of

2082
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:11,960
Speaker 5: sixty five, so he's now dealing with human rights. And

2083
02:08:12,080 --> 02:08:16,920
Speaker 5: in his speech on International Human Rights Day, he said

2084
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:19,960
Speaker 5: that not only the white people in South Africa were

2085
02:08:20,080 --> 02:08:26,200
Speaker 5: spectacular savages, but he also indicated that the basic issue

2086
02:08:26,280 --> 02:08:29,960
Speaker 5: confronting all nations in the world was that of human rights.

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02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:33,400
Speaker 5: It's a very important speech because of his condemnation of

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Speaker 5: the white supremacist but him promoting and perpetuating not civil

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02:08:38,200 --> 02:08:41,600
Speaker 5: rights but human rights. And this is very important. And

2090
02:08:41,640 --> 02:08:44,520
Speaker 5: there was one other element. I'm sorry that you gave

2091
02:08:44,600 --> 02:08:48,720
Speaker 5: him a brother that I'm losing in your question, I

2092
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:53,520
Speaker 5: think the Nobel Peace Prize, his speech there when he

2093
02:08:53,680 --> 02:08:55,680
Speaker 5: was when he went to Europe to receive his Nobel

2094
02:08:55,720 --> 02:08:59,000
Speaker 5: Peace Prize in nineteen sixty four. This was transformative for

2095
02:08:59,200 --> 02:09:02,600
Speaker 5: doctor King because he had never gone to Scandinavia before

2096
02:09:03,120 --> 02:09:06,280
Speaker 5: and he had never saw, he had never experienced a

2097
02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:10,600
Speaker 5: system that took care of the people. So the US

2098
02:09:10,760 --> 02:09:12,880
Speaker 5: is on the other side of history in terms of

2099
02:09:13,000 --> 02:09:17,160
Speaker 5: human rights, so that around the world was commonly agreed to.

2100
02:09:17,320 --> 02:09:20,640
Speaker 5: His human rights is free health care and free education.

2101
02:09:20,840 --> 02:09:23,760
Speaker 5: The US does not agree with that, but almost every

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Speaker 5: country in the world does. So when Kings saw the

2103
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Speaker 5: system that took care of people, took care of their

2104
02:09:31,600 --> 02:09:35,880
Speaker 5: basic needs, and so he didn't see any poverty. He

2105
02:09:35,920 --> 02:09:39,200
Speaker 5: didn't see, as he would say, the glaring contrast between

2106
02:09:39,360 --> 02:09:42,440
Speaker 5: poverty and wealth. So when he comes back from receiving

2107
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Speaker 5: a Nobel Peach Prize, he's then you can see that

2108
02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:48,440
Speaker 5: he's changing, he's transforming. People have to remember the King,

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Speaker 5: even when he was assassinated in nineteen sixty eight, was

2110
02:09:51,880 --> 02:09:54,680
Speaker 5: still only thirty nine years old. To think that men

2111
02:09:55,200 --> 02:09:57,879
Speaker 5: and even women are not growing and changing and evolving

2112
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:02,320
Speaker 5: is foolish and folly. In Stone yeah, he received a PhD.

2113
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Speaker 5: He received all that training in theology, but his real education,

2114
02:10:06,640 --> 02:10:11,320
Speaker 5: his real PhD in urbanology, was his struggle in the field.

2115
02:10:11,920 --> 02:10:16,200
Speaker 5: And so King comes back condemning the US economic and

2116
02:10:16,280 --> 02:10:20,400
Speaker 5: political system, and so he doesn't think that it was

2117
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:24,160
Speaker 5: wise to so called integrate into what he called a

2118
02:10:24,240 --> 02:10:28,640
Speaker 5: burning house. That the country was in shambles, it was

2119
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Speaker 5: in turmoil, and King was questioning whether or not nonviolence

2120
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Speaker 5: can even work. He felt you had to be practical.

2121
02:10:36,720 --> 02:10:38,440
Speaker 5: You can't just go out and talk about we're going

2122
02:10:38,520 --> 02:10:41,720
Speaker 5: to fight against the army, at police, the National Guard.

2123
02:10:41,800 --> 02:10:44,440
Speaker 5: And he said no, he was mature. He said, you

2124
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Speaker 5: have to be willing to assess all of the damage

2125
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:50,440
Speaker 5: in the blood bath and be realistic about it. So

2126
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Speaker 5: this is why King he consistently supports armed revolutionary movements

2127
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Speaker 5: in Vietnam and Africa like our Juria, Tunisia, Morocco, Kenya,

2128
02:11:03,800 --> 02:11:08,800
Speaker 5: you name it, the Zimbabwe, South Africa, Angola, Mozambique. These

2129
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:12,320
Speaker 5: were areas of Africa where the people would engage in

2130
02:11:12,520 --> 02:11:16,840
Speaker 5: armed revolutionary struggle to kick out the colonists. You will

2131
02:11:16,920 --> 02:11:22,280
Speaker 5: never find a single letter or statement or any statement

2132
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Speaker 5: in his book or articles or interviews or sermons where

2133
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Speaker 5: King is ever condemning the fact that they were using

2134
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Speaker 5: armed struggle to win their freedom. In fact, he saw

2135
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Speaker 5: that these struggles, as he said, were winnable struggles because

2136
02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:38,200
Speaker 5: they were to kick out the oppressor. But here he

2137
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:40,800
Speaker 5: was more focused on He didn't think it was practical

2138
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:45,400
Speaker 5: here to go up against such a formidable, vicious group

2139
02:11:45,440 --> 02:11:48,240
Speaker 5: of people that would love to have exterminated black people.

2140
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:51,720
Speaker 5: And so but he still was open to whatever meant

2141
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:54,720
Speaker 5: that he thought could solve the problem. And so King

2142
02:11:54,960 --> 02:12:02,000
Speaker 5: was more and more committed to arguing a the promotion

2143
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Speaker 5: of a completely different economic and political system in the

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Speaker 5: US than had been operating, because they said it doesn't work,

2145
02:12:10,280 --> 02:12:13,600
Speaker 5: and so this is why and King promoting these ideas.

2146
02:12:13,880 --> 02:12:18,000
Speaker 5: They were already the FBI was associating him with communism

2147
02:12:18,520 --> 02:12:22,560
Speaker 5: and dismissing all of his activism and the activism of

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02:12:22,600 --> 02:12:26,040
Speaker 5: people around him. So King recognized they were calling him

2149
02:12:26,080 --> 02:12:28,840
Speaker 5: a communist, they would call him a socialist. So King

2150
02:12:29,800 --> 02:12:33,800
Speaker 5: referred to himself as check this out, as a socialized

2151
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:37,480
Speaker 5: democrat because he didn't want He's not a democrat in

2152
02:12:37,600 --> 02:12:41,400
Speaker 5: terms of the Democratic party. He wants a real democracy,

2153
02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:43,560
Speaker 5: not one in theory but one in action. But he

2154
02:12:43,600 --> 02:12:47,040
Speaker 5: couldn't use communists or socialists, so he referred to themselves

2155
02:12:47,040 --> 02:12:51,640
Speaker 5: as a socialized democrats. Democrat trying to navigate through all

2156
02:12:51,720 --> 02:12:57,800
Speaker 5: of the propaganda fields where the public, the media, biographers, historians,

2157
02:12:58,040 --> 02:13:00,760
Speaker 5: and journalists and others were trying to box man. In fact,

2158
02:13:00,800 --> 02:13:04,280
Speaker 5: he even fell out with all of the mainstream civil

2159
02:13:04,360 --> 02:13:06,920
Speaker 5: rights leaders because they were afraid. They were scared. They

2160
02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:09,800
Speaker 5: never moved from civil rights to human rights, and so

2161
02:13:10,080 --> 02:13:13,440
Speaker 5: King became an enemy of those people. So he was

2162
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:16,360
Speaker 5: navigating through a lot of issues in order to try

2163
02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:20,400
Speaker 5: to continue to maintain credibility because the media was saying

2164
02:13:20,440 --> 02:13:23,080
Speaker 5: this man won a Nobel Peace Prize, but yet he's

2165
02:13:23,080 --> 02:13:26,360
Speaker 5: supporting revolutionary movements. So King was well aware of this.

2166
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:29,800
Speaker 5: This is why when he starts to talk more and

2167
02:13:29,960 --> 02:13:33,280
Speaker 5: more about the birth of a new age, and he's

2168
02:13:33,320 --> 02:13:36,520
Speaker 5: talking more and more about supporting these revolutionary movements, he

2169
02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:40,560
Speaker 5: understands that that would undermine his credibility. And you know

2170
02:13:40,640 --> 02:13:43,600
Speaker 5: what's really interesting is that he wins a Nobel Peace

2171
02:13:43,680 --> 02:13:46,720
Speaker 5: Prize in sixty four and at the time, Martin Luther

2172
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:51,800
Speaker 5: King never talked about the peace movement, never participated in

2173
02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:54,839
Speaker 5: the Peace movement and never had a relationship with anybody

2174
02:13:54,920 --> 02:13:57,120
Speaker 5: in the peace movement, So why is he given a

2175
02:13:57,240 --> 02:14:00,640
Speaker 5: Nobel Peace Prize. That was a strategic move on the

2176
02:14:00,760 --> 02:14:04,080
Speaker 5: chess board to lock him in, because the f file

2177
02:14:04,200 --> 02:14:07,400
Speaker 5: was already aware that he was supporting the revolutionary movements abroad.

2178
02:14:07,760 --> 02:14:12,480
Speaker 5: Because the biggest file, this is amazing, the biggest file

2179
02:14:12,920 --> 02:14:15,600
Speaker 5: that Doctor King kept. You can see it in the archives.

2180
02:14:15,880 --> 02:14:19,280
Speaker 5: The biggest file was this file on Africa and the

2181
02:14:19,400 --> 02:14:23,680
Speaker 5: decolonization movement or the liberation movements, and this concerned the

2182
02:14:23,800 --> 02:14:26,320
Speaker 5: government and people are not aware of that. But you

2183
02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:29,160
Speaker 5: know how I found out about this big file on Africa.

2184
02:14:29,240 --> 02:14:33,200
Speaker 5: The biggest file in all of his papers was one

2185
02:14:33,240 --> 02:14:38,000
Speaker 5: of the most dangerous men around, David Garyl. David Garrel

2186
02:14:38,360 --> 02:14:44,800
Speaker 5: is a white, a white, the Pulicer Prize winning journalist

2187
02:14:45,080 --> 02:14:49,200
Speaker 5: who wrote Bearing the Cross, and I read and Burying

2188
02:14:49,280 --> 02:14:52,240
Speaker 5: the Cross. This is at the time, just before a

2189
02:14:52,360 --> 02:14:54,560
Speaker 5: year or two before I started to work on my

2190
02:14:54,760 --> 02:14:59,120
Speaker 5: master's thesis on the revolutionary Doctor King, and Garyl mentions

2191
02:14:59,160 --> 02:15:02,040
Speaker 5: that that was the big his file in the King archives.

2192
02:15:02,120 --> 02:15:04,520
Speaker 5: But if you read Burying the Cross, you would never

2193
02:15:04,640 --> 02:15:09,480
Speaker 5: get that impression because what David Gerrol does is suppress

2194
02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:14,200
Speaker 5: ninety percent of what's in the file. He just when

2195
02:15:14,240 --> 02:15:17,280
Speaker 5: he mentions that he glosses through it because he understands

2196
02:15:17,360 --> 02:15:20,600
Speaker 5: that would undermine the promotion of the dream. And I

2197
02:15:20,720 --> 02:15:24,360
Speaker 5: say that David Garrow is the most dangerous man because

2198
02:15:24,840 --> 02:15:29,880
Speaker 5: foolish black people have elevated this white guy and Taylor

2199
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:34,600
Speaker 5: Branch who wrote Parting the Waters. They elevated these two

2200
02:15:34,720 --> 02:15:38,400
Speaker 5: white writers who won policer prizes for their massive books

2201
02:15:38,440 --> 02:15:40,920
Speaker 5: on King. But these men were not a part of

2202
02:15:41,000 --> 02:15:43,920
Speaker 5: the movement. They were not concerned about the justice for

2203
02:15:44,040 --> 02:15:46,560
Speaker 5: black people. But after the smoke clear and when it

2204
02:15:46,760 --> 02:15:49,720
Speaker 5: was safe, then they come out years and years later

2205
02:15:50,120 --> 02:15:52,160
Speaker 5: to do the research to write the books and then

2206
02:15:52,240 --> 02:15:55,440
Speaker 5: become quote unquote experts on black struggle when they gave

2207
02:15:55,560 --> 02:15:59,840
Speaker 5: up and risked nothing. And I've interacted with Taylor Breads

2208
02:16:00,240 --> 02:16:05,720
Speaker 5: absurd how these men uh just completely distort director and

2209
02:16:05,880 --> 02:16:11,360
Speaker 5: David Gerrol I say dangerous because he has deliberately miscron

2210
02:16:11,440 --> 02:16:16,600
Speaker 5: schooled King's legacy, but not only suppressing the letters and

2211
02:16:16,800 --> 02:16:20,840
Speaker 5: interaction that King had with revolutionaries in the field, but

2212
02:16:21,320 --> 02:16:26,200
Speaker 5: more than that, David Gerrol wrote an essay in June

2213
02:16:26,240 --> 02:16:30,720
Speaker 5: of twenty nineteen entitled The Troubling Legacy of Martin Luther King.

2214
02:16:31,160 --> 02:16:36,640
Speaker 5: And what David Garyl was presenting is is FBI documents

2215
02:16:37,120 --> 02:16:41,080
Speaker 5: that show King, according to the propagandist in the FBI,

2216
02:16:41,240 --> 02:16:46,240
Speaker 5: the King was a moral degenerate. Is so this, this

2217
02:16:46,520 --> 02:16:52,680
Speaker 5: absurd historian reduces King's work and legacy legacy to some

2218
02:16:53,920 --> 02:16:58,560
Speaker 5: sexual allegations by white nationalists and white supremacists in the

2219
02:16:58,760 --> 02:17:02,400
Speaker 5: FBI headquarters. In fact, David Garyl knows better than that,

2220
02:17:02,600 --> 02:17:06,680
Speaker 5: because he wrote the FBI Martin Luther King and did

2221
02:17:06,720 --> 02:17:10,400
Speaker 5: a thorough job at showing not only the type surveilans

2222
02:17:10,480 --> 02:17:13,960
Speaker 5: on doctor King, but more than that, the sloppiness of

2223
02:17:14,120 --> 02:17:17,280
Speaker 5: the FBI agents. And when I'm reading the records, I said, damn,

2224
02:17:17,320 --> 02:17:22,199
Speaker 5: these schools. They're misspelling names of people, wrong dates, typed

2225
02:17:22,200 --> 02:17:25,720
Speaker 5: in and things like that. And so it's the records

2226
02:17:25,760 --> 02:17:30,360
Speaker 5: are replete with erarors by racists and no one seen

2227
02:17:30,440 --> 02:17:34,840
Speaker 5: the actual documents. All that's available to David Garrow and

2228
02:17:34,959 --> 02:17:38,800
Speaker 5: others are reports of what the records say. How could

2229
02:17:38,800 --> 02:17:42,119
Speaker 5: you trust somebody's report of a record that you haven't seen.

2230
02:17:42,959 --> 02:17:47,080
Speaker 5: So this guy's dangerous and David Garrel he's had his

2231
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:53,120
Speaker 5: ass spanked by many people because of the fact that

2232
02:17:53,360 --> 02:17:55,480
Speaker 5: so this was not only in twenty nineteen, but last

2233
02:17:55,560 --> 02:18:00,680
Speaker 5: year when Donald Trump declassified more the King record, then

2234
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:03,560
Speaker 5: David Garrell was again on the attack. And there are

2235
02:18:03,640 --> 02:18:05,920
Speaker 5: people that say, why they hell would this man be

2236
02:18:06,040 --> 02:18:09,600
Speaker 5: focusing on that and trying to make some sexual allegations

2237
02:18:09,600 --> 02:18:13,959
Speaker 5: against doctor King the most important thing in his legacy,

2238
02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:17,840
Speaker 5: because he has an agenda and he's protected by foolish

2239
02:18:17,959 --> 02:18:20,960
Speaker 5: people who have popped him up as some expert on

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02:18:21,200 --> 02:18:24,640
Speaker 5: black struggle, which he only knows from his research. He

2241
02:18:24,720 --> 02:18:27,080
Speaker 5: does not know from activism. And one other thing I

2242
02:18:27,120 --> 02:18:30,400
Speaker 5: should say that there's always somebody say, well, professor me

2243
02:18:30,560 --> 02:18:34,800
Speaker 5: new is I don't believe this. Well, documentation beats conversation

2244
02:18:34,920 --> 02:18:37,400
Speaker 5: every day of the week. And the fact is is

2245
02:18:37,480 --> 02:18:41,320
Speaker 5: that during my work at Morgan State on the Revolutionary

2246
02:18:41,400 --> 02:18:45,280
Speaker 5: Doctor King, I spent time with the great Kwame Ture

2247
02:18:45,520 --> 02:18:48,480
Speaker 5: or Stokely Carmichael as I was doing my work, and

2248
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:53,280
Speaker 5: the great Woollie Ricks or Mukasa Dada, two of the

2249
02:18:53,400 --> 02:18:57,640
Speaker 5: greatest black power advocates in the history of the US,

2250
02:18:58,280 --> 02:19:02,440
Speaker 5: who introduced the black power slogan that was the basis

2251
02:19:02,480 --> 02:19:04,640
Speaker 5: of black power movement. That burst on the scene in

2252
02:19:04,760 --> 02:19:07,600
Speaker 5: June in nineteen sixty six. So I was very fortunate

2253
02:19:08,320 --> 02:19:10,680
Speaker 5: that I had people that were with doctor King at

2254
02:19:10,720 --> 02:19:15,240
Speaker 5: the time, who were great activists in human rights and

2255
02:19:15,640 --> 02:19:20,760
Speaker 5: Pan Africanism, to ask questions and run my ideas by

2256
02:19:21,000 --> 02:19:24,280
Speaker 5: as I was coming across the documents. So anyway, that's

2257
02:19:24,360 --> 02:19:27,320
Speaker 5: what people need to know. So don't say it is.

2258
02:19:28,600 --> 02:19:31,400
Speaker 3: Done the work right? Who left the right there? Professor MPa.

2259
02:19:31,520 --> 02:19:33,400
Speaker 1: We got to step aside and take short break so

2260
02:19:33,440 --> 02:19:35,640
Speaker 1: our stations can identify themselves down the line. But when

2261
02:19:35,680 --> 02:19:39,080
Speaker 1: we come back, though, a question for you in your research,

2262
02:19:39,160 --> 02:19:41,920
Speaker 1: did Dr MANI Luther King understand that some people in

2263
02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:45,280
Speaker 1: his inner circle were working against him? Or did he

2264
02:19:45,360 --> 02:19:48,880
Speaker 1: all think that it was just the FBI or did

2265
02:19:48,920 --> 02:19:51,640
Speaker 1: he figure the folks, including some of the preachers and

2266
02:19:51,680 --> 02:19:53,720
Speaker 1: some of the other civil rights groups were against him

2267
02:19:54,200 --> 02:19:56,400
Speaker 1: on a personal level. I'll let you address that when

2268
02:19:56,440 --> 02:19:56,920
Speaker 1: we get back.

2269
02:19:57,120 --> 02:19:57,760
Speaker 3: Family too.

2270
02:19:57,760 --> 02:20:00,200
Speaker 1: You got a question about dodtr Marluther King junior. Man

2271
02:20:00,280 --> 02:20:02,800
Speaker 1: you need to pose is our guest is Professor May

2272
02:20:02,920 --> 02:20:05,640
Speaker 1: new and Pin from Contracosta College. You could reach him

2273
02:20:05,640 --> 02:20:08,920
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,

2274
02:20:08,959 --> 02:20:11,960
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

2275
02:20:12,040 --> 02:20:14,040
Speaker 1: thanks for flowing with us on this Thursday morning with

2276
02:20:14,080 --> 02:20:16,879
Speaker 1: our guests, Professor may new and Pin from Contracosta College

2277
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:19,560
Speaker 1: in California. He's done a lot of research aunt doctor

2278
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:23,000
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King. Professor Ampin was the one who discovered

2279
02:20:23,040 --> 02:20:25,320
Speaker 1: that the Willie lynchlet was a fake. So you people

2280
02:20:25,480 --> 02:20:27,840
Speaker 1: using it, it's a fake and all some of our

2281
02:20:27,879 --> 02:20:30,440
Speaker 1: scholars were repeating, and myself was repeating at the time

2282
02:20:30,520 --> 02:20:32,840
Speaker 1: until Professor Mpin could prove that it was a fab.

2283
02:20:33,040 --> 02:20:36,200
Speaker 1: Right now, he's done similar research into doctor Martin Luther

2284
02:20:36,320 --> 02:20:39,480
Speaker 1: King Junior. So my question to you, Professor Ampin, did

2285
02:20:39,560 --> 02:20:42,760
Speaker 1: he know that his inner circle he had spies or

2286
02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:45,720
Speaker 1: agents that were working with him. Did your research sure

2287
02:20:45,879 --> 02:20:46,240
Speaker 1: any of that?

2288
02:20:48,320 --> 02:20:52,120
Speaker 5: Yet they didn't really know that at the time, So

2289
02:20:52,560 --> 02:20:59,080
Speaker 5: there was, For example, there was initially so there's SELC,

2290
02:20:59,600 --> 02:21:02,440
Speaker 5: which was founded in nineteen fifty seven. In the early

2291
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:08,080
Speaker 5: years in Atlanta, they had a spy, FBI spy James Harrison.

2292
02:21:08,240 --> 02:21:12,760
Speaker 5: This was a young student who was working in accounting

2293
02:21:13,400 --> 02:21:17,840
Speaker 5: helping with the books at SCLC, and James Harrison was

2294
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:23,000
Speaker 5: a paid FBI spy that there was not only wiretaps

2295
02:21:23,040 --> 02:21:25,199
Speaker 5: on the phone at the office, but they needed human

2296
02:21:25,280 --> 02:21:28,920
Speaker 5: intelligence as well. So James Harrison would meet on a

2297
02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:33,080
Speaker 5: regular basis with an FBI agent to give him insight

2298
02:21:33,160 --> 02:21:34,960
Speaker 5: of what was happening in the office. They didn't know

2299
02:21:35,080 --> 02:21:39,480
Speaker 5: that about James Harrison. Also James Wither whether it's the

2300
02:21:40,600 --> 02:21:45,440
Speaker 5: fame civil rights photographer. It later came out that he

2301
02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:48,600
Speaker 5: too was a paid agent. They did not know that

2302
02:21:49,480 --> 02:21:54,840
Speaker 5: at the time, and so there were operatives inside. In fact,

2303
02:21:55,160 --> 02:21:59,080
Speaker 5: the FBI was working very hard. Jago Hoover hated doctor King,

2304
02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:01,880
Speaker 5: said he was a notorious liar in one of the

2305
02:22:01,959 --> 02:22:04,440
Speaker 5: lowest types in the country. So they were doing anything

2306
02:22:04,520 --> 02:22:09,400
Speaker 5: they could to pay people to disrupt King's work. So,

2307
02:22:09,800 --> 02:22:12,879
Speaker 5: for example, the last campaign that he was a part

2308
02:22:12,920 --> 02:22:19,200
Speaker 5: of was the campaign in Memphis, Tennessee, where he was assassinated,

2309
02:22:19,640 --> 02:22:24,000
Speaker 5: and he was there to help the sanitation workers. There

2310
02:22:24,120 --> 02:22:28,320
Speaker 5: was no union, and when there was a rainstorm, you

2311
02:22:28,400 --> 02:22:31,199
Speaker 5: know that you had black sanitation workers that had nowhere

2312
02:22:31,240 --> 02:22:36,880
Speaker 5: to go and segregated Memphis, so they had to actually

2313
02:22:36,920 --> 02:22:39,040
Speaker 5: get in the back of the of the dump cuck

2314
02:22:39,560 --> 02:22:42,080
Speaker 5: what it crushes up all of the garbage, and these

2315
02:22:42,160 --> 02:22:47,440
Speaker 5: men died in that situation, and King was asked to

2316
02:22:47,560 --> 02:22:50,240
Speaker 5: help and assist. He went because for him, he's dealing

2317
02:22:50,280 --> 02:22:54,280
Speaker 5: with economic issues. And so they had a demonstration in Memphis.

2318
02:22:54,640 --> 02:22:57,640
Speaker 5: And what jag Hoover did, because he had great support

2319
02:22:57,760 --> 02:23:01,360
Speaker 5: in the mainstream media, he leaked, as he often did,

2320
02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:06,000
Speaker 5: stories to destroy doctor King's credibility, and they leaked the

2321
02:23:06,040 --> 02:23:09,440
Speaker 5: story that doctor King was irresponsible and this man needed

2322
02:23:09,480 --> 02:23:11,960
Speaker 5: to be stopped. So while that story was out in

2323
02:23:12,040 --> 02:23:16,680
Speaker 5: the local paper in Memphis, the FBI also they paid

2324
02:23:16,800 --> 02:23:23,240
Speaker 5: off local gang members in the Invaders group. So they

2325
02:23:23,400 --> 02:23:29,040
Speaker 5: paid them to disrupt and destroy the march and to

2326
02:23:29,160 --> 02:23:34,640
Speaker 5: start busting up cars and buildings and windows for shops

2327
02:23:34,680 --> 02:23:36,720
Speaker 5: and things like that in order to make it seem

2328
02:23:36,840 --> 02:23:39,640
Speaker 5: like doctor King had no control over his followers and

2329
02:23:39,920 --> 02:23:43,120
Speaker 5: he was irresponsible and he needed to be stopped, and

2330
02:23:43,240 --> 02:23:46,600
Speaker 5: so these Invaders. So King and his staff when they

2331
02:23:46,680 --> 02:23:49,000
Speaker 5: found out that these guys were involved, they asked him

2332
02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:51,440
Speaker 5: what was this was about about it, and they said, hey,

2333
02:23:51,560 --> 02:23:54,280
Speaker 5: you know, we were paid for this, We were paid

2334
02:23:54,360 --> 02:23:57,640
Speaker 5: to do this, and so that's what was happening around him.

2335
02:23:57,720 --> 02:24:01,959
Speaker 5: Now there's people who try to claim other things which

2336
02:24:02,000 --> 02:24:05,720
Speaker 5: are not proven at all about people in his inner circle.

2337
02:24:05,959 --> 02:24:08,640
Speaker 5: But one thing against King. But one thing that did

2338
02:24:08,840 --> 02:24:13,400
Speaker 5: happen is that in order to control doctor King's legacy

2339
02:24:13,480 --> 02:24:17,960
Speaker 5: after the fact, arguably his closest colleague in this group

2340
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:22,280
Speaker 5: of ministers was Ralph Abernethy, and Abernathy is one of

2341
02:24:22,320 --> 02:24:24,680
Speaker 5: the most In fact, he was the one that took

2342
02:24:24,760 --> 02:24:30,280
Speaker 5: over the took over SELC after King was assassinated, after

2343
02:24:30,320 --> 02:24:33,360
Speaker 5: he was set up by the FBI and lured to

2344
02:24:33,520 --> 02:24:37,280
Speaker 5: the Lorraine Motel. So Aberanthy took over. But Abanasy did

2345
02:24:37,360 --> 02:24:40,080
Speaker 5: not have the charisma and the credibility on the level

2346
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:44,080
Speaker 5: of King, so the movement didn't continue on the level

2347
02:24:44,520 --> 02:24:47,080
Speaker 5: that it did. But Ralph Abernathy was loyal. He was

2348
02:24:47,160 --> 02:24:49,840
Speaker 5: there the entire time. The families of the King and

2349
02:24:51,120 --> 02:24:55,560
Speaker 5: Abernanthys are very close. But Abernethy was pulled into the

2350
02:24:55,640 --> 02:24:59,240
Speaker 5: anti king propaganda. So towards the end of his life,

2351
02:25:00,080 --> 02:25:02,880
Speaker 5: Abernathy and you can tell all you can see in

2352
02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:07,000
Speaker 5: interviews that the mental decline was obvious and there was

2353
02:25:07,360 --> 02:25:13,000
Speaker 5: a sharp decline in his cognitive faculty. You know, very

2354
02:25:13,160 --> 02:25:17,560
Speaker 5: difficult to watch Abernathy in nineteen eighty eight, in nineteen

2355
02:25:17,600 --> 02:25:20,640
Speaker 5: eighty nine, and then all of a sudden, he comes

2356
02:25:20,680 --> 02:25:24,840
Speaker 5: out with a book, a national bestseller, and the walls

2357
02:25:25,040 --> 02:25:30,320
Speaker 5: came tumbling down. And so I wonder who was handling Abernathy,

2358
02:25:30,400 --> 02:25:32,600
Speaker 5: because he would not have had the capacity to write

2359
02:25:32,600 --> 02:25:35,160
Speaker 5: the book. But in the book, it comes out in

2360
02:25:35,240 --> 02:25:38,640
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty nine and he died the next year. You know,

2361
02:25:38,720 --> 02:25:42,680
Speaker 5: it's unfortunate, but it's not surprising because his cognitive decline

2362
02:25:42,720 --> 02:25:47,080
Speaker 5: indicated some deep seated health issues with Abernathcy and in

2363
02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:51,240
Speaker 5: the book he then with his editor they go after

2364
02:25:51,360 --> 02:25:55,320
Speaker 5: doctor King. I said, wow, this is absolutely sinister that

2365
02:25:55,560 --> 02:25:57,880
Speaker 5: Abernathy in his right mind, which he was not in

2366
02:25:58,600 --> 02:26:04,120
Speaker 5: at all, when after his buddy, his colleague, his his

2367
02:26:04,440 --> 02:26:08,680
Speaker 5: his activist buddy in this way that the mainstream media

2368
02:26:08,959 --> 02:26:14,240
Speaker 5: and historians were doing in order to try to control

2369
02:26:14,640 --> 02:26:17,640
Speaker 5: his legacy and how the people would see doctor King's legacy.

2370
02:26:17,959 --> 02:26:20,000
Speaker 5: But this was long after the fact. I mean, it's

2371
02:26:20,040 --> 02:26:24,400
Speaker 5: just three decades after King's assassination that Ebonanthey came out

2372
02:26:24,440 --> 02:26:28,720
Speaker 5: against his long standing colleague. But those are some of

2373
02:26:28,800 --> 02:26:32,720
Speaker 5: the internal issues from me that were instigated by the

2374
02:26:32,959 --> 02:26:37,280
Speaker 5: FBI because in the Corntail pro doctor King was at

2375
02:26:37,320 --> 02:26:41,359
Speaker 5: the top of the list. They felt the FBI, Jagah

2376
02:26:41,360 --> 02:26:46,800
Speaker 5: Hoover and William Sullivan. They argued that doctor King was

2377
02:26:46,920 --> 02:26:50,680
Speaker 5: the most dangerous black man in America. They were more

2378
02:26:50,760 --> 02:26:53,880
Speaker 5: concerned about him than anyone else, that includes Malcolm X,

2379
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:56,640
Speaker 5: because King had a greater influence and he couldn't be

2380
02:26:56,720 --> 02:26:59,320
Speaker 5: bought off. So they had been working for quite some

2381
02:26:59,560 --> 02:27:02,680
Speaker 5: time turned as many people against doctor King as possible.

2382
02:27:02,720 --> 02:27:05,640
Speaker 5: And then, of course when the split took place between

2383
02:27:05,720 --> 02:27:09,840
Speaker 5: the old Civil Rights Guard and the new activists who

2384
02:27:11,879 --> 02:27:14,720
Speaker 5: brought forth the Black Power movement and to focus on

2385
02:27:14,879 --> 02:27:18,279
Speaker 5: human rights in nineteen sixty six, this cause a great split.

2386
02:27:18,400 --> 02:27:21,240
Speaker 5: But King was still close to many of the ministers

2387
02:27:21,280 --> 02:27:24,840
Speaker 5: that he had found at the SELC with so I

2388
02:27:24,920 --> 02:27:26,960
Speaker 5: can say that they definitely had a tight knit group,

2389
02:27:27,040 --> 02:27:29,680
Speaker 5: including his advisors, were very loyal to doctor King.

2390
02:27:30,560 --> 02:27:32,680
Speaker 1: All right, hold on the eight after tough. Let me

2391
02:27:32,720 --> 02:27:35,040
Speaker 1: ask you this because Steve Cook did some research and

2392
02:27:35,080 --> 02:27:38,039
Speaker 1: he found out that Thurgod Marshall and Carl t Rowan,

2393
02:27:38,320 --> 02:27:42,520
Speaker 1: the journalists we're also dropping dimes on King. Did you

2394
02:27:42,920 --> 02:27:44,200
Speaker 1: research show any of that?

2395
02:27:46,040 --> 02:27:49,080
Speaker 5: I did not see that. I can see Carl Rowan

2396
02:27:49,280 --> 02:27:52,360
Speaker 5: for sure. Car t Rowan doing that, yes, for sure,

2397
02:27:52,879 --> 02:27:55,480
Speaker 5: because of his political views. But no, I did not

2398
02:27:55,680 --> 02:27:58,960
Speaker 5: see that. But I did see this. I did see

2399
02:27:59,120 --> 02:28:05,440
Speaker 5: quite a number of people who were against King, and

2400
02:28:05,720 --> 02:28:09,440
Speaker 5: so the whole NAACP was against King, The Urban League

2401
02:28:09,520 --> 02:28:13,000
Speaker 5: was against King. Whitney Young and Dorothy Height, many of

2402
02:28:13,080 --> 02:28:16,120
Speaker 5: them were against King because of the fact that they

2403
02:28:16,200 --> 02:28:19,760
Speaker 5: were uncomfortable. King even addressed all these people that came

2404
02:28:19,800 --> 02:28:22,840
Speaker 5: out against him. They said that in nineteen sixty five,

2405
02:28:22,959 --> 02:28:26,320
Speaker 5: when King began to speak out against the war in

2406
02:28:26,480 --> 02:28:31,480
Speaker 5: Vietnam and the US killers killing innocent victims. King came

2407
02:28:31,560 --> 02:28:34,119
Speaker 5: out against the war, came out against the brutality against

2408
02:28:34,160 --> 02:28:37,920
Speaker 5: innocent people. And these civil rights leaders said that doctor

2409
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:42,240
Speaker 5: King was irresponsible and because he was irresponsible talking about

2410
02:28:42,320 --> 02:28:46,400
Speaker 5: international issues rather than keeping it in local business, local

2411
02:28:46,520 --> 02:28:50,720
Speaker 5: negro business, they said that King was hurting the civil

2412
02:28:50,840 --> 02:28:56,040
Speaker 5: rights movement because people were turning to issues abroad and

2413
02:28:56,240 --> 02:28:59,440
Speaker 5: not dealing with the local domestic issues. And King said,

2414
02:28:59,440 --> 02:29:02,120
Speaker 5: you don't know me, and he began to criticize them.

2415
02:29:02,200 --> 02:29:04,160
Speaker 5: He said, that's their business. They can do anything they

2416
02:29:04,240 --> 02:29:06,560
Speaker 5: want to do, but I'm going to deal with issues

2417
02:29:06,600 --> 02:29:08,959
Speaker 5: that are important. Because they would say, well, look at

2418
02:29:09,000 --> 02:29:12,560
Speaker 5: your budget, you're getting less financial support he said, I

2419
02:29:12,600 --> 02:29:14,720
Speaker 5: don't determine what is right or wrong based on the

2420
02:29:14,800 --> 02:29:18,160
Speaker 5: budget of my organization. So there was a split, a

2421
02:29:18,400 --> 02:29:23,400
Speaker 5: firm split between King and civil rights leaders, and they

2422
02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:27,199
Speaker 5: further split again with the emergence of the Black Power

2423
02:29:27,320 --> 02:29:32,560
Speaker 5: movement because these people and the bay are rusting and

2424
02:29:32,720 --> 02:29:37,400
Speaker 5: all of them. They took out a ad in the

2425
02:29:37,520 --> 02:29:41,640
Speaker 5: New York Times newspaper in October fourteenth, nineteen sixty six,

2426
02:29:41,760 --> 02:29:45,560
Speaker 5: to condemn the Black Power movement and condemn the young

2427
02:29:45,640 --> 02:29:50,080
Speaker 5: activists in the Black Power movement. And so they actually

2428
02:29:50,160 --> 02:29:54,760
Speaker 5: issued a whole column to condemn the Black Power movement

2429
02:29:54,760 --> 02:29:57,240
Speaker 5: because now people are dealing with the acquisition of power

2430
02:29:58,320 --> 02:30:01,280
Speaker 5: and human rights. So they would condemned by the scared

2431
02:30:01,520 --> 02:30:06,920
Speaker 5: civil rights folks who knew that now the movement had

2432
02:30:07,000 --> 02:30:12,440
Speaker 5: moved beyond quote unquote Negro business to now international focus

2433
02:30:12,840 --> 02:30:15,520
Speaker 5: and so forth and acquiring power, not just a few

2434
02:30:15,640 --> 02:30:18,480
Speaker 5: laws to be passed. So one of the reporters at

2435
02:30:18,560 --> 02:30:22,279
Speaker 5: the press conferences. At the press conference when this statement

2436
02:30:22,400 --> 02:30:25,520
Speaker 5: was issued, said, well, what is Doctor King didn't endorse this,

2437
02:30:25,760 --> 02:30:29,160
Speaker 5: so what is his position? And they then in responding

2438
02:30:29,240 --> 02:30:33,240
Speaker 5: to that question by the by reporter, they lied and

2439
02:30:33,400 --> 02:30:36,080
Speaker 5: made it seem as though King was in support of

2440
02:30:36,280 --> 02:30:43,040
Speaker 5: their anti black power position, and doctor King was absolutely upset.

2441
02:30:43,120 --> 02:30:46,440
Speaker 5: You know what he said, Brother Martha, The King said

2442
02:30:46,920 --> 02:30:50,720
Speaker 5: that how can he maintain credibility with the people if

2443
02:30:50,760 --> 02:30:54,000
Speaker 5: he's dealing with quote unquote mickey mouse negroes, That's what

2444
02:30:54,120 --> 02:30:58,280
Speaker 5: he called them. These are so Then three days later,

2445
02:30:58,440 --> 02:31:03,080
Speaker 5: October seventeenth of nineteen sixty six, King took out an

2446
02:31:03,120 --> 02:31:04,520
Speaker 5: ad in the New York Times, and you know what

2447
02:31:04,640 --> 02:31:08,720
Speaker 5: it said. King clarified his stand that he does not

2448
02:31:08,840 --> 02:31:11,480
Speaker 5: agree with the statement, He does not agree with condemning

2449
02:31:12,360 --> 02:31:16,320
Speaker 5: the young Black Power advocates at all, and so he

2450
02:31:16,480 --> 02:31:20,039
Speaker 5: just distanced himself from them, and so the split was permanent.

2451
02:31:20,120 --> 02:31:22,560
Speaker 5: So you had many people looking to take King down

2452
02:31:22,640 --> 02:31:26,080
Speaker 5: because they were more concerned that they would not continue

2453
02:31:26,120 --> 02:31:31,440
Speaker 5: to benefit from from white largess white philanthropy to keep

2454
02:31:31,480 --> 02:31:36,280
Speaker 5: their organizations afloat, and King, they thought, was taken away

2455
02:31:36,400 --> 02:31:38,560
Speaker 5: from the money that they can get from the white

2456
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:43,800
Speaker 5: liberals and from white leftists that were supporting their rather

2457
02:31:44,040 --> 02:31:48,040
Speaker 5: soft position compared to where King and others had begun

2458
02:31:48,240 --> 02:31:51,800
Speaker 5: to move in sixty six and sixty seven and so forth.

2459
02:31:52,120 --> 02:31:54,360
Speaker 1: So right now, I thought like that I got someone,

2460
02:31:54,400 --> 02:31:56,400
Speaker 1: folks want to talk. You got questions about Donta King

2461
02:31:56,720 --> 02:31:59,800
Speaker 1: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight to seventy sixty two.

2462
02:32:00,120 --> 02:32:03,440
Speaker 1: Joining this discussion, Let's go to Buffalo Bob Standy's online too.

2463
02:32:03,560 --> 02:32:05,920
Speaker 1: Bob your question for Professor Impam.

2464
02:32:07,160 --> 02:32:10,880
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, a good good day, doctor blessed love. I

2465
02:32:11,000 --> 02:32:13,800
Speaker 4: want to thank you for your scholarship, and I want

2466
02:32:13,840 --> 02:32:16,240
Speaker 4: to make one comment before I make the question question.

2467
02:32:16,360 --> 02:32:19,320
Speaker 4: The comment is, we are not dependent upon this government

2468
02:32:19,440 --> 02:32:23,040
Speaker 4: to validate us honoring doctor King. We have to honor him,

2469
02:32:23,080 --> 02:32:26,280
Speaker 4: whether this government honored him or not. I was wondering

2470
02:32:26,280 --> 02:32:28,600
Speaker 4: what your opinion is the significance I tuned up a

2471
02:32:28,640 --> 02:32:32,000
Speaker 4: lid of reading us reading his book Where we Go

2472
02:32:32,080 --> 02:32:36,720
Speaker 4: from Here chass or Community, and another one that's popular now,

2473
02:32:36,840 --> 02:32:40,240
Speaker 4: the Radical King. What do you think is the significance

2474
02:32:40,600 --> 02:32:43,760
Speaker 4: of us reading those books? And can you suggest any

2475
02:32:43,800 --> 02:32:47,840
Speaker 4: other texts that we might want to reward our scholarship with.

2476
02:32:49,400 --> 02:32:53,560
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you, brother, I appreciate the question. Yes, okay,

2477
02:32:53,640 --> 02:32:56,640
Speaker 5: there's five books. Let me give the five books. Please

2478
02:32:56,680 --> 02:32:59,040
Speaker 5: take notes, folks, because you're not going to be able

2479
02:32:59,080 --> 02:33:01,640
Speaker 5: to easily find this online. These are the books that

2480
02:33:01,800 --> 02:33:06,280
Speaker 5: King wrote, so even though I said earlier three hundred thousand,

2481
02:33:06,280 --> 02:33:08,320
Speaker 5: it was three hundred hours, recalled it at three hundred

2482
02:33:08,320 --> 02:33:11,400
Speaker 5: and twenty five thousand square miles. Is how many miles

2483
02:33:11,480 --> 02:33:14,400
Speaker 5: he traveled a year. This is the estimate to help

2484
02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:17,600
Speaker 5: to bring about justice. And so he's busy. King was

2485
02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:22,480
Speaker 5: working twenty hour days, but he got some time every year.

2486
02:33:22,560 --> 02:33:26,600
Speaker 5: He would take time out to go to Jamaica for rest,

2487
02:33:27,120 --> 02:33:31,840
Speaker 5: relaxation and reflection and review because he wanted to stay fresh.

2488
02:33:31,920 --> 02:33:33,520
Speaker 5: This is how he was able to write his books.

2489
02:33:34,160 --> 02:33:36,560
Speaker 5: It with such a busy schedule. So here's the list,

2490
02:33:37,240 --> 02:33:42,040
Speaker 5: Strive towards Freedom. This is after the Montgomery bus boycott.

2491
02:33:42,480 --> 02:33:44,720
Speaker 5: Second book that King wrote. We're not talking about books

2492
02:33:44,720 --> 02:33:46,800
Speaker 5: written about him. We don't care about that. Books that

2493
02:33:46,920 --> 02:33:49,959
Speaker 5: he wrote, second one, Why we can't Wait. The reason

2494
02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:52,320
Speaker 5: why he called the book why we can't Wait, is

2495
02:33:52,400 --> 02:33:56,440
Speaker 5: because people will say that doctor King, you causing all

2496
02:33:56,480 --> 02:33:59,680
Speaker 5: these problems. Our negroes are very happy. Why don't you

2497
02:33:59,760 --> 02:34:02,720
Speaker 5: let time solved the problem? And time and King came

2498
02:34:02,800 --> 02:34:05,360
Speaker 5: out said time is neutral. It can be used effectively

2499
02:34:05,520 --> 02:34:08,960
Speaker 5: or ineffectively. And then what a great response. And then

2500
02:34:09,000 --> 02:34:12,680
Speaker 5: he wrote why we can't Wait? He was a minister.

2501
02:34:12,840 --> 02:34:17,160
Speaker 5: His third book is Strength to Love. The fourth book

2502
02:34:18,400 --> 02:34:22,840
Speaker 5: is a Trumpet of Conscience. Trumpet of Conscious is a

2503
02:34:23,000 --> 02:34:25,640
Speaker 5: series of lectures that he had gave in Canada, the

2504
02:34:25,840 --> 02:34:29,480
Speaker 5: Massy Lectures, and then fifth Where do We Go from Here?

2505
02:34:30,120 --> 02:34:31,920
Speaker 5: So people should read all of the books if they

2506
02:34:31,959 --> 02:34:34,920
Speaker 5: really want to know about King. But the latter books

2507
02:34:35,000 --> 02:34:36,760
Speaker 5: like Where do We Go from Here? In Trumpet of

2508
02:34:36,840 --> 02:34:40,560
Speaker 5: Conscious you can see his latest ideas and thoughts. So

2509
02:34:40,640 --> 02:34:42,640
Speaker 5: those are the five books. The other book I would

2510
02:34:42,680 --> 02:34:47,720
Speaker 5: recommend is A Testament of Hope. A Testament of Hope

2511
02:34:48,600 --> 02:34:51,480
Speaker 5: is edited by James Washington, and the reason why I

2512
02:34:51,600 --> 02:34:55,120
Speaker 5: add that to the list is because James Washington did

2513
02:34:55,160 --> 02:35:01,280
Speaker 5: a very good job of chronicling a lot of the articles,

2514
02:35:01,920 --> 02:35:08,000
Speaker 5: sections of King's books, interviews, essays, and he puts them

2515
02:35:08,160 --> 02:35:11,240
Speaker 5: in a Testament of Hope. So you can look at

2516
02:35:11,440 --> 02:35:14,760
Speaker 5: the political career of doctor King for his twelve and

2517
02:35:14,800 --> 02:35:19,240
Speaker 5: a half political career, and also posthumous material after he

2518
02:35:19,360 --> 02:35:22,640
Speaker 5: was assassinated, there's materials that had not come out, like

2519
02:35:22,760 --> 02:35:25,760
Speaker 5: a Testament of Hope for example, that had not been published.

2520
02:35:26,160 --> 02:35:29,440
Speaker 5: And if anybody gets A Testament of Hope edited by

2521
02:35:29,520 --> 02:35:33,320
Speaker 5: James Washington, and then they will see the damn the

2522
02:35:33,440 --> 02:35:38,280
Speaker 5: public has been absolutely misinformed about doctor King. So those

2523
02:35:38,600 --> 02:35:40,760
Speaker 5: are what I would recommend. I don't care about what

2524
02:35:41,000 --> 02:35:44,080
Speaker 5: somebody else wrote about doctor King. It's always best to

2525
02:35:44,200 --> 02:35:47,120
Speaker 5: do the primary research. The reason why I know what

2526
02:35:47,280 --> 02:35:50,200
Speaker 5: I know is because I did the original work looking

2527
02:35:50,280 --> 02:35:54,800
Speaker 5: at the records and documents, and I did use David

2528
02:35:54,879 --> 02:36:00,879
Speaker 5: Garrow's his general statements, like he said that the biggest

2529
02:36:01,040 --> 02:36:04,199
Speaker 5: file in the Martin Luther King archive was his file

2530
02:36:04,280 --> 02:36:07,560
Speaker 5: on Africa. Use statements like that to do just that,

2531
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:10,160
Speaker 5: go to that file. But I don't care about what

2532
02:36:10,400 --> 02:36:13,600
Speaker 5: he actually says per se. So that's what I would say, brother,

2533
02:36:13,680 --> 02:36:16,040
Speaker 5: that's really important that we go to the record. And

2534
02:36:16,720 --> 02:36:20,200
Speaker 5: one other thing, how about that right there.

2535
02:36:20,120 --> 02:36:22,280
Speaker 1: Because we got to step aside for a few moments, Professor,

2536
02:36:22,320 --> 02:36:25,080
Speaker 1: I'll let you hit us up with that when we

2537
02:36:25,160 --> 02:36:26,560
Speaker 1: get back and we got some more folks who want

2538
02:36:26,600 --> 02:36:28,880
Speaker 1: to talk to you. Family, YouTube can join our conversation

2539
02:36:28,959 --> 02:36:31,200
Speaker 1: with the professor man who went pen discussing Martin Luther

2540
02:36:31,280 --> 02:36:33,520
Speaker 1: King Junior. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred and four

2541
02:36:33,560 --> 02:36:36,040
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six will get you

2542
02:36:36,120 --> 02:36:38,200
Speaker 1: in it and we'll take your calls next and Grand

2543
02:36:38,320 --> 02:36:40,879
Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this Thursday morning.

2544
02:36:40,920 --> 02:36:42,680
Speaker 1: With our guest the Professor, a man who and PIM

2545
02:36:43,040 --> 02:36:45,760
Speaker 1: at a Contra Costa College in northern California, we're discussing

2546
02:36:45,840 --> 02:36:46,440
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King.

2547
02:36:46,520 --> 02:36:46,960
Speaker 3: He did a lot.

2548
02:36:47,120 --> 02:36:48,960
Speaker 1: He did his thesis on doctor King. You're going to

2549
02:36:49,000 --> 02:36:51,160
Speaker 1: hear some stuff about doctor King you've never heard before.

2550
02:36:51,879 --> 02:36:53,640
Speaker 1: Before I left the break, I'll let you finish your thought.

2551
02:36:53,720 --> 02:36:57,600
Speaker 1: Then Carl in Nova Northern Virginia's got a question for you. Professor.

2552
02:36:58,440 --> 02:37:03,960
Speaker 5: Okay, yes, sir, so one last resource that I would recommend. Actually,

2553
02:37:04,000 --> 02:37:06,040
Speaker 5: I've done the work for people. So if you go

2554
02:37:06,160 --> 02:37:09,640
Speaker 5: to YouTube and uh and just going, just put in

2555
02:37:09,760 --> 02:37:13,240
Speaker 5: professor MEINU m PM S M A n U and

2556
02:37:13,360 --> 02:37:16,760
Speaker 5: then a M P I M. I did a couple

2557
02:37:16,800 --> 02:37:20,440
Speaker 5: of days ago. I simply edited the famous I have

2558
02:37:20,520 --> 02:37:24,800
Speaker 5: a dream speech to doctor King discussing the fact that

2559
02:37:24,879 --> 02:37:26,480
Speaker 5: black people still will not free.

2560
02:37:30,600 --> 02:37:33,360
Speaker 1: Hopefully we haven't lost the professor m pin so like

2561
02:37:33,640 --> 02:37:35,400
Speaker 1: it's phone went out there for a second, Kevin, if

2562
02:37:35,400 --> 02:37:37,760
Speaker 1: you least see if you get professor.

2563
02:37:37,920 --> 02:37:40,120
Speaker 5: Back, I'm still here by the Carl.

2564
02:37:40,280 --> 02:37:41,840
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, go ahead.

2565
02:37:42,720 --> 02:37:44,520
Speaker 5: So yeah, I was just saying. If you go to

2566
02:37:44,760 --> 02:37:47,760
Speaker 5: YouTube professor, Professor Mayneu and PIM I edited just a

2567
02:37:47,800 --> 02:37:50,199
Speaker 5: couple of days ago. See, I have a dream speech

2568
02:37:50,240 --> 02:37:53,520
Speaker 5: with it which is exactly sixteen minutes. I edited so

2569
02:37:53,680 --> 02:37:56,800
Speaker 5: that people could hear the parts that are edited out

2570
02:37:56,920 --> 02:38:00,360
Speaker 5: on purpose. Yes, they're literally edited out, so that they

2571
02:38:00,440 --> 02:38:03,280
Speaker 5: have sanitized the most optor speech in the history of

2572
02:38:03,280 --> 02:38:05,200
Speaker 5: the US. So you go to my YouTube page, you

2573
02:38:07,160 --> 02:38:10,920
Speaker 5: can actually hear exactly what he said. But this is

2574
02:38:11,080 --> 02:38:14,800
Speaker 5: very common to misrepresent doctor King's work, and the public

2575
02:38:14,959 --> 02:38:18,360
Speaker 5: is completely unaware of what has been going on for

2576
02:38:18,520 --> 02:38:21,080
Speaker 5: years and now for generations to make sure that we

2577
02:38:21,160 --> 02:38:23,920
Speaker 5: don't continue with his work. But we can only talk

2578
02:38:23,959 --> 02:38:26,840
Speaker 5: about an abstract dream. And one last thing. When I

2579
02:38:27,000 --> 02:38:30,080
Speaker 5: was at Morgan State working on the thesis, I remember

2580
02:38:30,680 --> 02:38:35,120
Speaker 5: on WEAA, Morgan State University's radio program, there was a

2581
02:38:35,240 --> 02:38:38,440
Speaker 5: local teacher in Baltimore who was working with third graders,

2582
02:38:38,800 --> 02:38:41,040
Speaker 5: and he said that they had a project for all

2583
02:38:41,080 --> 02:38:44,480
Speaker 5: of the children who draw a picture of doctor King.

2584
02:38:45,080 --> 02:38:46,760
Speaker 5: And one of the young girls drew a picture of

2585
02:38:46,800 --> 02:38:50,440
Speaker 5: doctor King lying in bed. So the teacher said, baby,

2586
02:38:50,600 --> 02:38:53,000
Speaker 5: why did you draw pictures in lying in bed? She said, well,

2587
02:38:53,280 --> 02:38:55,640
Speaker 5: he had a dream, so I thought he must have

2588
02:38:55,680 --> 02:38:59,240
Speaker 5: been asleep, and so she presented him lying in bed.

2589
02:38:59,560 --> 02:39:02,360
Speaker 5: And so this is the kind of effective craziness that

2590
02:39:02,480 --> 02:39:04,840
Speaker 5: we have where you have a great activist who simply

2591
02:39:05,080 --> 02:39:09,000
Speaker 5: been reduced to a sleeping dreamer. This is the kind

2592
02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:11,720
Speaker 5: of perfected propaganda that we have to break through.

2593
02:39:12,800 --> 02:39:15,560
Speaker 1: Wow twenty two at the top, the call Us is

2594
02:39:15,600 --> 02:39:18,680
Speaker 1: winning for US calls in Northern Virginia's online three Grand

2595
02:39:18,720 --> 02:39:23,119
Speaker 1: Rising currently a question for Professor many Olympid well.

2596
02:39:23,000 --> 02:39:25,560
Speaker 4: Grand Rising and call and Grand Raking. Professor can you

2597
02:39:25,600 --> 02:39:26,000
Speaker 4: wanna hear me?

2598
02:39:28,240 --> 02:39:28,480
Speaker 3: Sure?

2599
02:39:30,680 --> 02:39:33,400
Speaker 8: I wanted to ask you were talking about some of

2600
02:39:33,440 --> 02:39:36,040
Speaker 8: these misconceptions we have about doctor King. One of the

2601
02:39:36,120 --> 02:39:39,280
Speaker 8: ones that I ran across was this Countseul for United

2602
02:39:39,400 --> 02:39:42,840
Speaker 8: Civil Rights Leadership, which was formed just before the March

2603
02:39:42,920 --> 02:39:44,160
Speaker 8: on Washington and sixty three.

2604
02:39:44,760 --> 02:39:47,040
Speaker 6: And how it was.

2605
02:39:47,400 --> 02:39:50,920
Speaker 8: It was formulated by John Kennedy and by Lyndon Johnson

2606
02:39:51,360 --> 02:39:54,800
Speaker 8: and Robert Kennedy. And you know, my understanding was that

2607
02:39:54,920 --> 02:39:59,360
Speaker 8: it co opted the entire the theme of the move

2608
02:39:59,440 --> 02:40:02,640
Speaker 8: of the march. They paid off the big SIS organizations

2609
02:40:02,680 --> 02:40:04,160
Speaker 8: and Malcolm X spoke about this.

2610
02:40:05,520 --> 02:40:07,359
Speaker 4: I'm bringing this to you because.

2611
02:40:08,600 --> 02:40:11,520
Speaker 8: But from I know from all of my years, the

2612
02:40:11,600 --> 02:40:13,920
Speaker 8: thing I heard about the March on Washington, I never

2613
02:40:14,000 --> 02:40:16,480
Speaker 8: heard anything about any of that. And I want to

2614
02:40:16,520 --> 02:40:19,160
Speaker 8: know from your point of view with the distortions about

2615
02:40:19,200 --> 02:40:21,120
Speaker 8: doctor King, even in fact that doctor King wasn't even

2616
02:40:21,160 --> 02:40:23,320
Speaker 8: the one that convened the marginal Washington. You know, he

2617
02:40:23,480 --> 02:40:25,280
Speaker 8: was put in front of it when they couldn't stop it.

2618
02:40:25,360 --> 02:40:27,360
Speaker 8: And I think I heard you say that, could you

2619
02:40:27,560 --> 02:40:30,240
Speaker 8: elaborate on that and how that the way that those

2620
02:40:30,520 --> 02:40:33,480
Speaker 8: our organizations have been compromised? And that wasn't the first

2621
02:40:33,520 --> 02:40:35,640
Speaker 8: time that I was just paid off, but this was

2622
02:40:35,760 --> 02:40:38,039
Speaker 8: one that nobody wants to talk about because all those

2623
02:40:38,080 --> 02:40:41,240
Speaker 8: big SITS organizations were the ones that got paid to

2624
02:40:41,680 --> 02:40:45,120
Speaker 8: change their their tune about this march on Washington.

2625
02:40:46,280 --> 02:40:47,920
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you, brother, I appreciate it.

2626
02:40:48,320 --> 02:40:48,520
Speaker 6: Well.

2627
02:40:49,640 --> 02:40:54,000
Speaker 5: One thing people should know is that it's uh, it's

2628
02:40:54,320 --> 02:40:57,840
Speaker 5: it's it's narrow to just hear what Malcolm has to

2629
02:40:57,920 --> 02:41:00,160
Speaker 5: say in the run with It. Malcolm is speaking at

2630
02:41:00,200 --> 02:41:02,360
Speaker 5: the time based on what he knows, but if we

2631
02:41:02,440 --> 02:41:06,080
Speaker 5: look at the actual records, Malcolm is not correct on

2632
02:41:06,680 --> 02:41:07,520
Speaker 5: the entire march.

2633
02:41:07,640 --> 02:41:07,760
Speaker 7: Now.

2634
02:41:08,040 --> 02:41:13,279
Speaker 5: John Lewis, John Lewis's speech of snick. John Lewis's speech

2635
02:41:13,400 --> 02:41:17,959
Speaker 5: was definitely changed. It was definitely changed and toned down,

2636
02:41:18,680 --> 02:41:22,080
Speaker 5: and he even speaks about that, that's for sure. But

2637
02:41:22,240 --> 02:41:26,200
Speaker 5: what Malcolm does not discuss what most people are. I

2638
02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:29,720
Speaker 5: don't think I've heard anybody else even discuss the obvious

2639
02:41:29,920 --> 02:41:35,440
Speaker 5: fact that job Unity tried to stop the march. I mean,

2640
02:41:35,520 --> 02:41:38,840
Speaker 5: think about it. You have a march with a quarter

2641
02:41:39,000 --> 02:41:41,320
Speaker 5: million people. It was probably more than that. It's just

2642
02:41:41,440 --> 02:41:45,480
Speaker 5: that the activist did not dispute the numbers. You'll keep

2643
02:41:45,520 --> 02:41:48,400
Speaker 5: in mind that with the Millionaire March in ninety five,

2644
02:41:49,040 --> 02:41:51,600
Speaker 5: there was an ongoing debate about if there were a

2645
02:41:51,680 --> 02:41:56,560
Speaker 5: million men or more, whereas the National Park Service was

2646
02:41:56,560 --> 02:41:59,560
Speaker 5: trying to say was far less than that. So disputing

2647
02:41:59,720 --> 02:42:03,800
Speaker 5: National Park Service and US government numbers have been something

2648
02:42:03,840 --> 02:42:06,760
Speaker 5: that's been going on for quite some time. They want

2649
02:42:06,879 --> 02:42:09,200
Speaker 5: to lower the numbers because of the fact that it

2650
02:42:09,360 --> 02:42:12,800
Speaker 5: seems like it's less important. But anyway, you have a

2651
02:42:12,879 --> 02:42:15,560
Speaker 5: quarter million people in Washington, d C. To come together.

2652
02:42:16,080 --> 02:42:19,760
Speaker 5: Kennedy was the president. How could he be a civil

2653
02:42:19,879 --> 02:42:24,080
Speaker 5: rights president when they're demonstrating for civil rights A thro

2654
02:42:25,120 --> 02:42:27,680
Speaker 5: throw from the White House. He was embarrassed by it.

2655
02:42:28,120 --> 02:42:31,560
Speaker 5: He tried to stop the march. He tried to find

2656
02:42:31,640 --> 02:42:37,320
Speaker 5: some way to not be shown as a ineffective hypocrite

2657
02:42:37,360 --> 02:42:40,040
Speaker 5: that had that was not concerned about the welfare of

2658
02:42:40,120 --> 02:42:43,400
Speaker 5: black peoples, more concerned about his political career. This is

2659
02:42:43,480 --> 02:42:47,160
Speaker 5: why King consistently said he didn't trust either of the Kennedys,

2660
02:42:47,360 --> 02:42:51,280
Speaker 5: because they were only focused on their their their political career.

2661
02:42:51,920 --> 02:42:56,080
Speaker 5: So Kennedy did not start the march. It was. It

2662
02:42:56,240 --> 02:43:00,200
Speaker 5: was a number of civil rights organizations that cons eve

2663
02:43:00,280 --> 02:43:03,720
Speaker 5: the march. Organized in march. In fact, a Philip Randolph

2664
02:43:04,240 --> 02:43:08,360
Speaker 5: was the senior person and he had a march. He

2665
02:43:08,520 --> 02:43:12,440
Speaker 5: was dealing with with the Brotherhood of Sleeping hood Porters,

2666
02:43:13,280 --> 02:43:17,560
Speaker 5: Sleeping car Porters, and they were challenging racism for quite

2667
02:43:17,680 --> 02:43:21,160
Speaker 5: some time, and so he was using his experience. And

2668
02:43:21,240 --> 02:43:24,640
Speaker 5: they also, by the way, were basing the march on

2669
02:43:24,800 --> 02:43:27,720
Speaker 5: what had happened in the past, like the Bonus Marchers

2670
02:43:27,760 --> 02:43:31,160
Speaker 5: of nineteen thirty two. These were men that hadn't received

2671
02:43:31,240 --> 02:43:35,240
Speaker 5: their pensions after fighting in World War One. We want

2672
02:43:35,280 --> 02:43:37,720
Speaker 5: our pensions, and we wanted now. So they went in Washington,

2673
02:43:37,800 --> 02:43:41,720
Speaker 5: d c. And they demonstrated to challenge the government. The

2674
02:43:41,760 --> 02:43:43,640
Speaker 5: white folks had nothing to do with any of this.

2675
02:43:43,879 --> 02:43:46,560
Speaker 5: This had to do with black people having enough and

2676
02:43:46,680 --> 02:43:50,000
Speaker 5: to make sure that they went to the most prominent

2677
02:43:50,160 --> 02:43:53,160
Speaker 5: national stage, which meant if it was national, it would

2678
02:43:53,200 --> 02:43:58,640
Speaker 5: be international to challenge the Kennedy administration and the white nationalists,

2679
02:43:58,680 --> 02:44:02,080
Speaker 5: white supremacists, the white public who were denying Black people

2680
02:44:02,120 --> 02:44:06,040
Speaker 5: of basic rights. And so keep in mind, Malcolm is

2681
02:44:06,080 --> 02:44:10,279
Speaker 5: in his thirties, so he doesn't have the longest experience,

2682
02:44:10,400 --> 02:44:12,680
Speaker 5: not like Malcolm had been around for decades and he

2683
02:44:13,120 --> 02:44:16,000
Speaker 5: had all the evidence. When we look at the actual documents,

2684
02:44:16,959 --> 02:44:19,720
Speaker 5: we know for a fact that this was an authentic march,

2685
02:44:20,320 --> 02:44:22,920
Speaker 5: and what King said was authentic. You can hear King

2686
02:44:23,480 --> 02:44:29,720
Speaker 5: discussing similar points earlier in Detroit. So nobody controlled his speech.

2687
02:44:29,760 --> 02:44:32,640
Speaker 5: Nobody controlled what he said. That's why I said that

2688
02:44:32,760 --> 02:44:36,400
Speaker 5: if you go to YouTube and listen at the eclips

2689
02:44:36,440 --> 02:44:39,560
Speaker 5: that I have from the speech, or if somebody said no,

2690
02:44:39,680 --> 02:44:41,240
Speaker 5: I would like to listen to the whole thing, go

2691
02:44:41,400 --> 02:44:45,440
Speaker 5: right ahead. It's sixteen minutes. So go to American rhetoric

2692
02:44:45,920 --> 02:44:49,480
Speaker 5: dot com. And if you go to American rhetoric dot com,

2693
02:44:49,640 --> 02:44:53,119
Speaker 5: they have the top one hundred speeches in American history

2694
02:44:53,440 --> 02:44:56,880
Speaker 5: and you can listen at the entire speech. It's authentic.

2695
02:44:57,160 --> 02:44:59,440
Speaker 5: Don't go to any other site because the speech has

2696
02:44:59,480 --> 02:45:02,520
Speaker 5: been thoroughly edited. Go to American rhetoric dot com, and

2697
02:45:02,680 --> 02:45:05,600
Speaker 5: not only can you hear the entire sixteen minutes piece,

2698
02:45:05,760 --> 02:45:09,880
Speaker 5: but you can read the authenticated transcript and you will

2699
02:45:09,959 --> 02:45:13,520
Speaker 5: see that this is damaging to the Kennedy administration and

2700
02:45:13,680 --> 02:45:18,560
Speaker 5: damaging to the Democrats, to Republicans white America in general.

2701
02:45:19,160 --> 02:45:21,960
Speaker 5: And there's no possible way that this was any benefit

2702
02:45:22,520 --> 02:45:26,640
Speaker 5: through the Kennedy administration. So I respect Malcolm, but I

2703
02:45:26,680 --> 02:45:29,840
Speaker 5: also understand from the records that King was far ahead

2704
02:45:30,440 --> 02:45:33,800
Speaker 5: of Malcolm and others in many ways. For example, King

2705
02:45:34,000 --> 02:45:38,119
Speaker 5: was already talking about supporting the movement on the African

2706
02:45:38,200 --> 02:45:41,360
Speaker 5: continent for decolonization. This is why King is in He

2707
02:45:41,600 --> 02:45:43,560
Speaker 5: talked about the birth of a new age. Look at

2708
02:45:43,600 --> 02:45:46,800
Speaker 5: his article in nineteen fifty seven when he's talking about

2709
02:45:47,440 --> 02:45:49,120
Speaker 5: the birth of a new age. He said it was

2710
02:45:49,160 --> 02:45:51,560
Speaker 5: a revolutionary age. Look at the fact that he went

2711
02:45:51,640 --> 02:45:56,760
Speaker 5: to Ghana as well, and for the independence of Ghana

2712
02:45:56,920 --> 02:46:01,359
Speaker 5: and the inauguration of Kwame and Kuma as well. Malcolm

2713
02:46:01,360 --> 02:46:04,040
Speaker 5: and others were not at that level. Because remember at

2714
02:46:04,040 --> 02:46:06,039
Speaker 5: that time, Malcolm was still in an age of Islam.

2715
02:46:06,120 --> 02:46:08,680
Speaker 5: They were not focused on international issues and certainly weren't

2716
02:46:08,720 --> 02:46:12,600
Speaker 5: focused on Africa at all. So there's pros and cons

2717
02:46:13,600 --> 02:46:16,960
Speaker 5: on all sides, and many of us we embraced the

2718
02:46:17,040 --> 02:46:19,720
Speaker 5: great Malcolm X, but we also have to understand that

2719
02:46:20,360 --> 02:46:24,320
Speaker 5: he himself admitted to not understanding some things and being naive.

2720
02:46:24,440 --> 02:46:28,560
Speaker 5: It was Ella Baker teaching and mentoring Malcolm X about

2721
02:46:28,640 --> 02:46:31,920
Speaker 5: things he needed to have a better understanding of. And

2722
02:46:32,480 --> 02:46:35,879
Speaker 5: remember now Malcolm is also assassinated at only thirty nine

2723
02:46:35,959 --> 02:46:39,640
Speaker 5: years old, so he's growing, he's learning, he's evolving.

2724
02:46:41,160 --> 02:46:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me here, because you got to Malcolm he is.

2725
02:46:44,000 --> 02:46:46,480
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you questions about the meetings

2726
02:46:46,600 --> 02:46:49,800
Speaker 1: with doctor King and Malcolm and the meetings with Elijah Muhammad,

2727
02:46:49,920 --> 02:46:53,920
Speaker 1: j Elijah Muhammad and and doctor King, because what we

2728
02:46:54,000 --> 02:46:55,640
Speaker 1: see is just the pictures of these two meetings. Do

2729
02:46:55,640 --> 02:46:58,600
Speaker 1: you have any information that they've met before? And we

2730
02:46:58,720 --> 02:47:01,160
Speaker 1: probably don't have a pure of that. And I heard

2731
02:47:01,280 --> 02:47:05,280
Speaker 1: also that they used to corresponding with each other, that

2732
02:47:05,480 --> 02:47:09,119
Speaker 1: was the King and Malcolm and King and Elijah Muhammad

2733
02:47:09,120 --> 02:47:10,000
Speaker 1: threw intermediaries.

2734
02:47:10,200 --> 02:47:11,520
Speaker 3: What is your research show.

2735
02:47:12,720 --> 02:47:15,920
Speaker 5: That's true that they met in nineteen sixty six. The

2736
02:47:16,040 --> 02:47:21,200
Speaker 5: campaign that King and his organization helped initiate with was

2737
02:47:21,959 --> 02:47:26,280
Speaker 5: in Chicago, so the Chicago Freedom Movement, this King got

2738
02:47:26,320 --> 02:47:30,480
Speaker 5: involved in January of nineteen sixty six, and with Elijah

2739
02:47:30,560 --> 02:47:34,439
Speaker 5: Muhammad being in Chicago, King actually did meet with Elijah Muhammad,

2740
02:47:34,480 --> 02:47:36,840
Speaker 5: you know, who was older. The King was willing to

2741
02:47:36,920 --> 02:47:40,560
Speaker 5: meet with and learn from and share with anybody, so

2742
02:47:41,480 --> 02:47:44,119
Speaker 5: he didn't meet with Elijah Muhammad. I don't remember exactly

2743
02:47:44,160 --> 02:47:46,920
Speaker 5: how many times, but at least once, perhaps twice. Don't

2744
02:47:46,959 --> 02:47:50,360
Speaker 5: quote me on that, but they definitely met. Jared ideas

2745
02:47:50,920 --> 02:47:55,000
Speaker 5: King and Malcolm were in correspondence with each other. There's

2746
02:47:55,040 --> 02:47:58,600
Speaker 5: a picture of the meeting in Washington, d c. But also,

2747
02:47:59,280 --> 02:48:02,360
Speaker 5: when Malcolm left the Nation of Islam in sixty four,

2748
02:48:02,480 --> 02:48:05,760
Speaker 5: he was free to work with anybody that he thought

2749
02:48:06,520 --> 02:48:11,280
Speaker 5: could help bring about black liberation. So Malcolm X in

2750
02:48:11,640 --> 02:48:16,960
Speaker 5: February of nineteen sixty five, actually February fourth, nineteen sixty five,

2751
02:48:17,320 --> 02:48:20,280
Speaker 5: Malcolm X was in Selma, Alabama. And while he was

2752
02:48:20,360 --> 02:48:23,080
Speaker 5: in Thelma, doctor King was in prison because they were

2753
02:48:23,160 --> 02:48:28,360
Speaker 5: challenging the Jim Crow racial segregation laws in Selma, because

2754
02:48:28,400 --> 02:48:31,120
Speaker 5: black people were fighting for the right to vote. So

2755
02:48:31,400 --> 02:48:35,240
Speaker 5: Malcolm made a point to go and meet with doctor King.

2756
02:48:35,680 --> 02:48:38,560
Speaker 5: He didn't actually meet with doctor King on February fourth

2757
02:48:38,640 --> 02:48:41,120
Speaker 5: because King was in jail, but Malcolm didn't meet with

2758
02:48:41,200 --> 02:48:45,080
Speaker 5: his wife, Coreta Scott King. And Malcolm made it very

2759
02:48:45,120 --> 02:48:48,720
Speaker 5: clear that either the either white folks were going to

2760
02:48:48,760 --> 02:48:52,080
Speaker 5: deal with Doctor King in his demands in his wing

2761
02:48:52,200 --> 02:48:53,560
Speaker 5: of the movement, or they were going to have to

2762
02:48:53,600 --> 02:48:56,280
Speaker 5: deal with Malcolm X and his demands in his wing

2763
02:48:56,400 --> 02:48:59,440
Speaker 5: of the movement. And so it was not surprising at

2764
02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:03,520
Speaker 5: all that two weeks later Malcolm is assassinated on February

2765
02:49:03,600 --> 02:49:06,400
Speaker 5: twenty first, because he was down there on April on

2766
02:49:06,520 --> 02:49:09,840
Speaker 5: February fourth, and he had made a point to meet

2767
02:49:09,959 --> 02:49:13,240
Speaker 5: with doctor King order to join forces. And Malcolm had

2768
02:49:13,360 --> 02:49:17,600
Speaker 5: always wanted to work with the so called civil rights leaders,

2769
02:49:17,600 --> 02:49:21,200
Speaker 5: and Elebaker told him, Malcolm, don't be naives. Some of

2770
02:49:21,240 --> 02:49:24,440
Speaker 5: these people will never work with you. They will never

2771
02:49:24,600 --> 02:49:28,680
Speaker 5: move beyond just their you know, concerns about getting laws changed.

2772
02:49:29,280 --> 02:49:31,680
Speaker 5: She said, you can only work with the more progressive

2773
02:49:31,760 --> 02:49:35,959
Speaker 5: members among that among that group, and she was right,

2774
02:49:36,360 --> 02:49:38,920
Speaker 5: and King was certainly more progressive than the other people

2775
02:49:39,000 --> 02:49:42,280
Speaker 5: who were stuck in civil rights and were never going

2776
02:49:42,360 --> 02:49:45,160
Speaker 5: to talk about human rights. They never did talk about

2777
02:49:45,240 --> 02:49:48,439
Speaker 5: and they even condemned black power and they condemned focusing

2778
02:49:48,520 --> 02:49:53,800
Speaker 5: on issues outside of the US. So King and Malcolm

2779
02:49:53,879 --> 02:49:56,600
Speaker 5: had far more in common than they had in conflict

2780
02:49:56,959 --> 02:50:00,240
Speaker 5: than this absolutely alarmed the government. And this is it

2781
02:50:00,360 --> 02:50:04,640
Speaker 5: was important to assassinate Malcolm before a real consolidation could

2782
02:50:04,640 --> 02:50:06,240
Speaker 5: take place between those two leaders.

2783
02:50:07,280 --> 02:50:09,440
Speaker 1: Got you twenty six away from the top their family.

2784
02:50:09,560 --> 02:50:12,040
Speaker 1: Just checking in the voice you hearing is Professor band

2785
02:50:12,040 --> 02:50:14,680
Speaker 1: new mpin and did a lot of research on doctor

2786
02:50:14,720 --> 02:50:17,440
Speaker 1: Martin Uther King was part of his thesis at Morgan

2787
02:50:17,520 --> 02:50:19,640
Speaker 1: State University. And he's sharing some of that information with

2788
02:50:19,800 --> 02:50:22,360
Speaker 1: us because right now some of the information has been

2789
02:50:22,400 --> 02:50:24,880
Speaker 1: suppressed about especially with a meeting with the Black Power

2790
02:50:24,920 --> 02:50:28,520
Speaker 1: movement as well with doctor King and you know, going

2791
02:50:28,600 --> 02:50:31,440
Speaker 1: full throttle to help Africa and the freedom fighters in

2792
02:50:31,520 --> 02:50:35,119
Speaker 1: Africa when the continent was under controlled by the colonizers.

2793
02:50:35,400 --> 02:50:37,200
Speaker 1: Many of us didn know all that that doctor King

2794
02:50:37,320 --> 02:50:39,960
Speaker 1: was involved in that and also his economic and social programs.

2795
02:50:40,360 --> 02:50:42,920
Speaker 1: He also wanted reparations and many of us that don't

2796
02:50:42,959 --> 02:50:46,120
Speaker 1: know that, we didn't term it that time as reparations

2797
02:50:46,120 --> 02:50:47,560
Speaker 1: at that time, but this is what it was after

2798
02:50:47,640 --> 02:50:49,720
Speaker 1: as well? What are your thoughts? Eight hundred and four

2799
02:50:49,800 --> 02:50:52,880
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Sister Sheena's checking

2800
02:50:52,920 --> 02:50:56,240
Speaker 1: in from Baltimore. She's online four a grand rising Sister Sena.

2801
02:50:56,360 --> 02:50:59,800
Speaker 1: Your question for a Professor Manu mp gween.

2802
02:50:59,600 --> 02:51:02,160
Speaker 10: White saying I want to just thank him first for

2803
02:51:02,320 --> 02:51:05,879
Speaker 10: the call. You have just been life used to day.

2804
02:51:06,040 --> 02:51:08,520
Speaker 10: But I want to I want to ask you, how

2805
02:51:08,840 --> 02:51:13,040
Speaker 10: proud do you think doctor Martin Luther King will be

2806
02:51:13,120 --> 02:51:16,640
Speaker 10: of our former states of Honey Roland Mosey because she

2807
02:51:16,879 --> 02:51:19,520
Speaker 10: put it all on the line and you're tying it

2808
02:51:19,640 --> 02:51:23,480
Speaker 10: in on how so many people just put their careers

2809
02:51:23,560 --> 02:51:26,040
Speaker 10: above human rights. And I just want to give a

2810
02:51:26,080 --> 02:51:28,600
Speaker 10: shout out if our came brother called today it's her birthday.

2811
02:51:29,000 --> 02:51:32,640
Speaker 10: We want to stay happy first, So how important for

2812
02:51:32,760 --> 02:51:36,080
Speaker 10: us to understand that she's doing the work that doctor

2813
02:51:36,200 --> 02:51:38,240
Speaker 10: King basically lost his life.

2814
02:51:41,680 --> 02:51:43,720
Speaker 3: You know, King was.

2815
02:51:43,760 --> 02:51:49,320
Speaker 5: Totally uncompromising, and you know he had a bigger understanding,

2816
02:51:49,360 --> 02:51:52,400
Speaker 5: the bigger calling. He said that at the time he

2817
02:51:52,440 --> 02:51:55,960
Speaker 5: would always use a German term called the Zeitgeist. The

2818
02:51:56,080 --> 02:51:59,080
Speaker 5: zeit geis meant the spirit of the times, and King

2819
02:51:59,320 --> 02:52:01,520
Speaker 5: always defined in the spirit of the times in the

2820
02:52:01,640 --> 02:52:06,160
Speaker 5: fifties and sixties as a revolutionary spirit. And so for

2821
02:52:06,320 --> 02:52:09,600
Speaker 5: him as a minister, he always saw himself as a

2822
02:52:09,680 --> 02:52:12,920
Speaker 5: world historical figure who had to play a particular role.

2823
02:52:13,040 --> 02:52:15,720
Speaker 5: This is why nobody could move King from his lobby,

2824
02:52:16,160 --> 02:52:20,840
Speaker 5: and he respecting anybody that stood firm on fighting for

2825
02:52:21,200 --> 02:52:24,320
Speaker 5: the rights and the freedom of black people and so

2826
02:52:26,560 --> 02:52:32,480
Speaker 5: multi broader. Anybody that has been totally uncompromising in their position,

2827
02:52:33,200 --> 02:52:36,680
Speaker 5: King would respect them because he understood this is what

2828
02:52:36,800 --> 02:52:39,440
Speaker 5: would it would take in order to solve the as

2829
02:52:39,520 --> 02:52:42,400
Speaker 5: he said, the deep seated racial problem in America. Because

2830
02:52:42,440 --> 02:52:48,879
Speaker 5: the King constantly said that racism in America is as

2831
02:52:49,000 --> 02:52:53,520
Speaker 5: native as the pine pine trees, the stage brush, and

2832
02:52:53,640 --> 02:52:59,280
Speaker 5: the buffalo grass. And so for him, obviously he did

2833
02:52:59,360 --> 02:53:04,720
Speaker 5: not concerned himself too much with a person's position as

2834
02:53:04,760 --> 02:53:08,440
Speaker 5: a politician, but he was concerned about anybody that was

2835
02:53:08,560 --> 02:53:11,560
Speaker 5: a regular person or somebody that could use their position

2836
02:53:12,080 --> 02:53:14,920
Speaker 5: for the freedom of black people, which was his main concern,

2837
02:53:15,080 --> 02:53:18,400
Speaker 5: and he consistently took that position through his life.

2838
02:53:19,920 --> 02:53:23,160
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, sister, You know, we got a

2839
02:53:23,160 --> 02:53:26,000
Speaker 1: step aside and come back. Got some mother folks want

2840
02:53:26,040 --> 02:53:27,800
Speaker 1: to talk to him, and also got a tweet question

2841
02:53:27,920 --> 02:53:31,200
Speaker 1: for a Professor Main new and Tim Mpim from Contra

2842
02:53:31,240 --> 02:53:34,000
Speaker 1: Costa College out in northern California. You can reach us

2843
02:53:34,000 --> 02:53:36,800
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy

2844
02:53:36,840 --> 02:53:39,000
Speaker 1: six and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand

2845
02:53:39,080 --> 02:53:41,360
Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for rolling the list on this Thursday

2846
02:53:41,360 --> 02:53:43,600
Speaker 1: morning with our guess. The professor Man New Mpin from

2847
02:53:43,640 --> 02:53:46,000
Speaker 1: Contra Costa College in Northern California is done a lot

2848
02:53:46,040 --> 02:53:49,119
Speaker 1: of research into doctor King and if you've got answered

2849
02:53:49,160 --> 02:53:51,280
Speaker 1: questions about doctor King, he's the person you need to

2850
02:53:51,280 --> 02:53:53,039
Speaker 1: pose those questions too, and you can reach him at

2851
02:53:53,080 --> 02:53:56,400
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

2852
02:53:56,480 --> 02:53:57,920
Speaker 1: Before we go back to the just got a note

2853
02:53:57,920 --> 02:54:00,640
Speaker 1: out of our news from here at Radio one. Ryan

2854
02:54:00,720 --> 02:54:04,160
Speaker 1: Cougler is a vampire horror films made Oscar history. This morning,

2855
02:54:04,200 --> 02:54:09,400
Speaker 1: the nominations were announced and Sinners got sixteen sixteen nominations

2856
02:54:09,760 --> 02:54:13,800
Speaker 1: including Best Picture, Best Director, Best Original Screenplay, Best Lead

2857
02:54:13,879 --> 02:54:17,400
Speaker 1: Actor for Michael Jordan Michael B. Jordan, Best Supporting Actor

2858
02:54:17,480 --> 02:54:20,600
Speaker 1: for British actor Delroy Lindo, and Best Supporting Actress for

2859
02:54:20,680 --> 02:54:24,400
Speaker 1: British Nigerian actor will be Mussaku. So up until now,

2860
02:54:24,480 --> 02:54:27,600
Speaker 1: no film ever earned more than fourteen nominations, So if

2861
02:54:27,640 --> 02:54:31,320
Speaker 1: you saw the Sinners, you'll know why. The congratulations to

2862
02:54:31,320 --> 02:54:34,640
Speaker 1: all the folks who involved in that project. Sixteen record

2863
02:54:34,800 --> 02:54:37,760
Speaker 1: nominations announced this morning. We'll find out how many they

2864
02:54:37,840 --> 02:54:41,560
Speaker 1: win through. But again congratulations to Ryan Cougler for that. Also,

2865
02:54:41,600 --> 02:54:43,320
Speaker 1: tomorrow's Friday, so we're going to give you a chance

2866
02:54:43,360 --> 02:54:45,000
Speaker 1: to free your mind. It's an up for Friday. That's

2867
02:54:45,040 --> 02:54:47,760
Speaker 1: what we call the program. You know, just tell us

2868
02:54:47,760 --> 02:54:49,560
Speaker 1: what's going on in mind, what's going on in your community,

2869
02:54:49,600 --> 02:54:52,240
Speaker 1: and reach us at eight hundred four five zero seventy

2870
02:54:52,280 --> 02:54:54,520
Speaker 1: eight is seventy six. We begin taking calls at six

2871
02:54:54,560 --> 02:54:57,160
Speaker 1: am Eastern time right here in Baltimore on ten ten

2872
02:54:57,400 --> 02:55:00,120
Speaker 1: WLB and also in the DMV on fourteen fIF d

2873
02:55:00,360 --> 02:55:03,280
Speaker 1: w O L. Professor and Brother College has called this

2874
02:55:03,360 --> 02:55:06,080
Speaker 1: from Walduff. He has a question for each on line three,

2875
02:55:06,360 --> 02:55:09,400
Speaker 1: Grand Rising Brother College, a question for Professor MP.

2876
02:55:11,080 --> 02:55:15,240
Speaker 11: Grand Rising, my dear brothers from Professor M. My question

2877
02:55:15,440 --> 02:55:19,400
Speaker 11: has to be my doctor Bartin and Luther King often mentioned,

2878
02:55:19,480 --> 02:55:23,440
Speaker 11: and it is currently mentioned that we had a coalition

2879
02:55:24,160 --> 02:55:28,560
Speaker 11: of Jewish people such as Rabbi Hussel, and of course

2880
02:55:29,000 --> 02:55:31,400
Speaker 11: there was the fed or Hesburg from the Notre Dame

2881
02:55:31,520 --> 02:55:37,200
Speaker 11: University and so forth who supported our cause, the cause

2882
02:55:37,280 --> 02:55:41,280
Speaker 11: of freedom. What would you say, how would the brother

2883
02:55:41,320 --> 02:55:46,400
Speaker 11: of King critique today's support coming from a Jewish community,

2884
02:55:46,879 --> 02:55:50,520
Speaker 11: from such people which would know as Stephen Miller, Bill

2885
02:55:50,760 --> 02:55:55,560
Speaker 11: Ackman and the and the other Jewish people who do

2886
02:55:55,720 --> 02:55:58,920
Speaker 11: not seem to support our causes. In fact, they seem

2887
02:55:59,040 --> 02:56:03,959
Speaker 11: to want to blow up our causes and so forth

2888
02:56:05,440 --> 02:56:09,280
Speaker 11: in a big way. What do you think the brother

2889
02:56:09,480 --> 02:56:14,240
Speaker 11: King would how would a critique that coalition relationship today?

2890
02:56:14,920 --> 02:56:16,840
Speaker 11: And I'll take the thank you, my brother.

2891
02:56:17,879 --> 02:56:22,320
Speaker 5: Okay, what a great question because I was not thinking

2892
02:56:22,520 --> 02:56:27,560
Speaker 5: to address this, not because it's not important. It's very important.

2893
02:56:27,600 --> 02:56:30,320
Speaker 5: There's so many issues that have to be clarified in

2894
02:56:30,440 --> 02:56:33,640
Speaker 5: corrective regarding doctor King. But this is a great question

2895
02:56:33,840 --> 02:56:36,560
Speaker 5: because I don't think people think about it too much.

2896
02:56:37,160 --> 02:56:41,760
Speaker 5: But the white public in general, those that were a

2897
02:56:41,800 --> 02:56:45,840
Speaker 5: little bit more favorable to black people at least having

2898
02:56:45,959 --> 02:56:49,800
Speaker 5: some rights to go into a hotel, motel, or a

2899
02:56:49,959 --> 02:56:55,880
Speaker 5: dirty restroom without the signs barring black people from going

2900
02:56:55,920 --> 02:57:00,680
Speaker 5: into these locations, and so they were with that to

2901
02:57:00,800 --> 02:57:06,480
Speaker 5: ameliorate some of the embarrassments of being modern day savages,

2902
02:57:06,560 --> 02:57:10,400
Speaker 5: not aligning people any rights. So there were mayors to

2903
02:57:10,520 --> 02:57:13,400
Speaker 5: different cities that are given King keys to the cities.

2904
02:57:14,000 --> 02:57:18,200
Speaker 5: There were, you know, some Jewish folks and others that

2905
02:57:18,320 --> 02:57:20,920
Speaker 5: were okay with all of that. But as soon as

2906
02:57:20,959 --> 02:57:25,480
Speaker 5: doctor King and the SELC moved his operations to Chicago

2907
02:57:26,200 --> 02:57:29,800
Speaker 5: in January nineteen sixty six, and they were part of

2908
02:57:29,879 --> 02:57:33,800
Speaker 5: the Chicago Freedom Movement, which was a coalition of organizations,

2909
02:57:34,280 --> 02:57:39,080
Speaker 5: and Kings started talking about specifically human rights he had

2910
02:57:39,200 --> 02:57:43,200
Speaker 5: embraced later that year the Black Power movement. Then the

2911
02:57:43,320 --> 02:57:47,600
Speaker 5: same Jewish quote unquote allies became enemies of doctor King.

2912
02:57:48,160 --> 02:57:51,600
Speaker 5: So the Jewish community came out against King, tried to

2913
02:57:52,600 --> 02:57:56,920
Speaker 5: villainize the whole Chicago movement and also doctor King. So

2914
02:57:57,080 --> 02:58:02,879
Speaker 5: he was in start opposition to the same Jewish leaders

2915
02:58:02,920 --> 02:58:05,600
Speaker 5: that had supported him doing what doctor King called the

2916
02:58:05,680 --> 02:58:09,760
Speaker 5: civil rights period that ended in nineteen sixty five. So

2917
02:58:09,920 --> 02:58:12,400
Speaker 5: they were okay with that because, as King said, with

2918
02:58:12,520 --> 02:58:16,119
Speaker 5: the basic reforms, White America didn't have to give up anything.

2919
02:58:16,600 --> 02:58:19,680
Speaker 5: They didn't have to. In fact, it helped them to

2920
02:58:19,800 --> 02:58:22,320
Speaker 5: make it seem like it was a civilized society by

2921
02:58:22,440 --> 02:58:25,560
Speaker 5: taking down the racial segregation signs, he said. But in

2922
02:58:25,640 --> 02:58:28,959
Speaker 5: the second period, which he called the human rights period,

2923
02:58:29,520 --> 02:58:32,960
Speaker 5: where he said there will be no bargain rates, that

2924
02:58:33,640 --> 02:58:35,480
Speaker 5: white folks are now going to have to give up

2925
02:58:35,560 --> 02:58:39,240
Speaker 5: something and black people were going to acquire power. That's

2926
02:58:39,240 --> 02:58:43,800
Speaker 5: when you see the Jewish activists in Chicago that were

2927
02:58:43,959 --> 02:58:50,520
Speaker 5: fundamentally enemies of doctor King. And I don't recall anybody

2928
02:58:50,640 --> 02:58:56,560
Speaker 5: writing about this in any detail. They protect the Jewish

2929
02:58:56,600 --> 02:58:59,560
Speaker 5: folks as if these people are progressive. No, no, that

2930
02:58:59,720 --> 02:59:02,520
Speaker 5: was not King's experience. You look at doctor King's work

2931
02:59:02,959 --> 02:59:06,240
Speaker 5: in sixty six, in sixty seven, and you look at

2932
02:59:06,320 --> 02:59:09,640
Speaker 5: the prominent Jewish leaders that were enemies of doctor King

2933
02:59:09,800 --> 02:59:11,520
Speaker 5: in the Chicago freedom movement.

2934
02:59:13,959 --> 02:59:15,880
Speaker 3: All right, thank you for that question. Brother.

2935
02:59:15,920 --> 02:59:17,720
Speaker 1: Call let's twelve away from the top day. It's sister

2936
02:59:17,800 --> 02:59:21,360
Speaker 1: Kashiva's checking in from Silver Spring. She's online too, Grand Rising,

2937
02:59:21,480 --> 02:59:23,840
Speaker 1: Sister Kashiba, your question for a Professor Manu.

2938
02:59:23,840 --> 02:59:29,720
Speaker 9: MPM Yes, Grand Rising, Curl and Professor Manuela and Pim.

2939
02:59:30,240 --> 02:59:33,680
Speaker 9: I just want to ask you. I know this is

2940
02:59:33,959 --> 02:59:37,960
Speaker 9: the program is dedicated to doctor Kim King, but could

2941
02:59:38,040 --> 02:59:43,680
Speaker 9: you please just take a moment and talk about your

2942
02:59:46,160 --> 02:59:50,200
Speaker 9: your travels in the Nile Valley. Also, more importantly, I

2943
02:59:50,280 --> 02:59:54,040
Speaker 9: want to know about your study tour to Kimmith this summer.

2944
02:59:57,000 --> 03:00:01,000
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you, mississ. Really briefly, I I've been doing

2945
03:00:01,640 --> 03:00:05,920
Speaker 5: firsthand on primary research on the African continent since nineteen ninety,

2946
03:00:06,720 --> 03:00:11,920
Speaker 5: not leading tours, no, doing systematic primary research at pyramid sites,

2947
03:00:12,040 --> 03:00:15,560
Speaker 5: temple sites, tomb sites, and ancient residential sites. When I

2948
03:00:15,640 --> 03:00:18,880
Speaker 5: first went, I did research at forty two different sites,

2949
03:00:19,920 --> 03:00:21,840
Speaker 5: most of the sites people are not aware of because

2950
03:00:21,840 --> 03:00:24,040
Speaker 5: they're only known by researchers. And then I started to

2951
03:00:24,120 --> 03:00:27,400
Speaker 5: lead tours later. So I lead tours every year to

2952
03:00:27,720 --> 03:00:32,640
Speaker 5: Kimmit and also to Ethiopia this year of my sister.

2953
03:00:32,760 --> 03:00:34,560
Speaker 5: This is the first year in a while that I'm

2954
03:00:34,600 --> 03:00:37,280
Speaker 5: not going to lead any tours because I'm working on

2955
03:00:37,640 --> 03:00:42,840
Speaker 5: finishing a documentary on ancient Cush and sorry on Kush

2956
03:00:43,400 --> 03:00:46,560
Speaker 5: both not only ancient but also modern. So I did

2957
03:00:46,680 --> 03:00:50,200
Speaker 5: field work in Gambelle, Ethiopia this past summer. We have

2958
03:00:50,879 --> 03:00:54,960
Speaker 5: more than fifty five hours of footage in remote areas,

2959
03:00:55,320 --> 03:00:58,320
Speaker 5: so I'm focusing on that in another writing two other

2960
03:00:58,400 --> 03:01:02,000
Speaker 5: writing projects, so we won't leave tours this year. However,

2961
03:01:02,920 --> 03:01:05,960
Speaker 5: if anybody wants to be on my email list. Just

2962
03:01:06,080 --> 03:01:09,520
Speaker 5: email me at main New MPM at gmail. That's a

2963
03:01:09,840 --> 03:01:15,200
Speaker 5: n u ampim May New MPM at Gmail. And I

2964
03:01:15,240 --> 03:01:18,240
Speaker 5: can put folks on the email list because I'm going

2965
03:01:18,320 --> 03:01:21,680
Speaker 5: to continue with the tours to the African continent in

2966
03:01:21,879 --> 03:01:24,800
Speaker 5: June and July of twenty twenty seven. But I have

2967
03:01:24,920 --> 03:01:28,360
Speaker 5: other events that people will be interested in if they

2968
03:01:28,440 --> 03:01:31,480
Speaker 5: are on the email list. Thank you for that question.

2969
03:01:31,640 --> 03:01:31,880
Speaker 5: Thank you.

2970
03:01:32,720 --> 03:01:33,199
Speaker 3: I'm professor.

2971
03:01:33,280 --> 03:01:35,039
Speaker 1: I'm paying ten away from the top of our family

2972
03:01:35,400 --> 03:01:37,880
Speaker 1: and doctor Keys led last book Where Do We Go

2973
03:01:38,040 --> 03:01:40,640
Speaker 1: From Here? Back in sixty seven, he laid out a

2974
03:01:40,800 --> 03:01:42,840
Speaker 1: vision for how to empower the black community.

2975
03:01:42,879 --> 03:01:44,040
Speaker 3: Can you address that for us?

2976
03:01:44,560 --> 03:01:45,680
Speaker 5: What was his visiting for us?

2977
03:01:46,440 --> 03:01:46,600
Speaker 3: Yes?

2978
03:01:46,760 --> 03:01:51,840
Speaker 5: So, thank you, so King. Even on his last birthday,

2979
03:01:51,920 --> 03:01:54,840
Speaker 5: he's meeting, he had breakfast with his family, he's meeting

2980
03:01:54,879 --> 03:01:58,760
Speaker 5: with organizers, and he lays down in his book Where

2981
03:01:58,800 --> 03:02:01,240
Speaker 5: Do We Go From Here? He lays out a plan

2982
03:02:02,000 --> 03:02:07,280
Speaker 5: to how to organize to control the political and economic

2983
03:02:07,440 --> 03:02:11,080
Speaker 5: conditions and improvement and to control the community. So in

2984
03:02:11,160 --> 03:02:13,160
Speaker 5: his book Where Do We Go From Here? He lays

2985
03:02:13,200 --> 03:02:17,760
Speaker 5: out how how the black community should deal with the

2986
03:02:18,360 --> 03:02:22,119
Speaker 5: businesses and economic development in this community. This was always

2987
03:02:22,160 --> 03:02:26,440
Speaker 5: a big focus of Kings because people will say, oh,

2988
03:02:26,560 --> 03:02:28,760
Speaker 5: it's so and so march with doctor King. It's not

2989
03:02:28,879 --> 03:02:31,800
Speaker 5: just a march. There was always an economic boycott in

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Speaker 5: every campaign, every civil rights campaign, there was always an

2991
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Speaker 5: economic boycott one hundred percent of the time. So he

2992
03:02:39,160 --> 03:02:43,120
Speaker 5: lays out how to bring about economic control of the community,

2993
03:02:43,600 --> 03:02:47,320
Speaker 5: political control, but he also lays out how to deal

2994
03:02:47,440 --> 03:02:50,080
Speaker 5: with the labor movement because for him that was a

2995
03:02:50,120 --> 03:02:54,280
Speaker 5: big part of building the community, and that is how

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Speaker 5: do we deal with jobs, labor and income, and how

2997
03:02:58,160 --> 03:03:00,360
Speaker 5: do we deal with the labor movement. That's why started

2998
03:03:00,360 --> 03:03:03,000
Speaker 5: to work with Cessa Chavez and others in the Latino

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Speaker 5: community and and and organized on that way. But he's

3000
03:03:07,160 --> 03:03:11,120
Speaker 5: laying out, uh, how to move forward in the economic arena,

3001
03:03:11,240 --> 03:03:16,560
Speaker 5: political arena, the labor movement. And he's presenting plans and

3002
03:03:16,680 --> 03:03:19,480
Speaker 5: ideas and it's what he's already doing. So it's not

3003
03:03:19,680 --> 03:03:22,320
Speaker 5: just theoretical, but it's practical. But how do you expand

3004
03:03:22,440 --> 03:03:25,880
Speaker 5: it so that this is uh a focus for a

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03:03:26,080 --> 03:03:28,280
Speaker 5: large part of the people in the in the in

3006
03:03:28,360 --> 03:03:31,879
Speaker 5: the black community. This is why to that earlier question,

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Speaker 5: Brother Carl, Well, what is the purpose of distorting doctor King,

3008
03:03:37,200 --> 03:03:39,840
Speaker 5: or what's being left out and why it's so that

3009
03:03:40,040 --> 03:03:43,920
Speaker 5: people cannot continue with the plan and the agenda that

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03:03:44,000 --> 03:03:46,600
Speaker 5: he lays out in his book, because there's nothing anybody

3011
03:03:46,640 --> 03:03:49,160
Speaker 5: can do about continuing to dream. What damn dream?

3012
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Speaker 6: This is?

3013
03:03:50,080 --> 03:03:53,600
Speaker 5: This is you know, there's nothing practical about talking about dreaming.

3014
03:03:54,080 --> 03:03:56,400
Speaker 5: King was a practical activist and he lays it out

3015
03:03:56,440 --> 03:04:00,600
Speaker 5: in his book. And this is dangerous for the the

3016
03:04:00,760 --> 03:04:06,199
Speaker 5: power structure because King is looking to destroy and dismantle

3017
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Speaker 5: the whole system of what he called white supremacy.

3018
03:04:09,840 --> 03:04:10,440
Speaker 4: He called it that.

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Speaker 5: He said, the whole system has to be torn down

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Speaker 5: and changed. And so this is what he's talking about

3021
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Speaker 5: when he consistently talked about the human rights revolution. And

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Speaker 5: so this is what's very very important. And by the way,

3023
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Speaker 5: somebody thinks he's not focusing on human rights. He always

3024
03:04:29,840 --> 03:04:32,960
Speaker 5: talked about the Triple Revolution. He said it was a

3025
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Speaker 5: technological revolution, a revolution in weaponry, and a human rights revolution.

3026
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Speaker 5: Not only that. Take a look at his organization. In

3027
03:04:42,680 --> 03:04:47,640
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty five, his SELC organization. The convention theme was

3028
03:04:47,800 --> 03:04:52,560
Speaker 5: human rights, Basic Issues, the Grand Alliance, and then they

3029
03:04:52,640 --> 03:04:56,280
Speaker 5: doubled down in nineteen sixty six the convention theme was

3030
03:04:56,360 --> 03:04:59,600
Speaker 5: human rights to continuing struggle he's not even dealing with.

3031
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Speaker 5: So this is what he's really writing about, is how

3032
03:05:03,120 --> 03:05:07,400
Speaker 5: do we make black power real and relevant in the

3033
03:05:07,520 --> 03:05:12,120
Speaker 5: economic political, in the labor arena. And he lays us

3034
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Speaker 5: out in his book. This is why people must read

3035
03:05:14,160 --> 03:05:16,640
Speaker 5: his book and the hell what anybody else has to

3036
03:05:16,720 --> 03:05:19,920
Speaker 5: say about Doctor King, because ninety percent of the people

3037
03:05:20,040 --> 03:05:23,119
Speaker 5: are either uninformed or they have an agenda to make

3038
03:05:23,240 --> 03:05:27,400
Speaker 5: sure that the book sells and the dream sells. Not

3039
03:05:27,600 --> 03:05:30,360
Speaker 5: the practical program that King lays out, that's not going

3040
03:05:30,440 --> 03:05:33,040
Speaker 5: to sell. And that's why even his family has sold

3041
03:05:33,120 --> 03:05:36,680
Speaker 5: Doctor King. Why why would the King family in Atlanta,

3042
03:05:36,720 --> 03:05:40,360
Speaker 5: at the King Center for Nonviolent Social Change, Why would

3043
03:05:40,400 --> 03:05:47,800
Speaker 5: they be having George Bush, President George Bush, and Ronald

3044
03:05:47,879 --> 03:05:50,640
Speaker 5: Reagan going to the King Center every year to quote

3045
03:05:50,720 --> 03:05:55,720
Speaker 5: celebrate his birthday when these men or they spent their

3046
03:05:56,120 --> 03:06:00,320
Speaker 5: entire political career career against Doctor King's work and effort

3047
03:06:00,400 --> 03:06:03,400
Speaker 5: and the war against civil rights for black people. Well,

3048
03:06:03,400 --> 03:06:06,840
Speaker 5: it's quite simple. The dream seals. So the King Center

3049
03:06:06,959 --> 03:06:10,080
Speaker 5: was getting money from the government. They weren't concerned about

3050
03:06:10,840 --> 03:06:14,560
Speaker 5: the real Doctor King that emerged in sixty six, sixty

3051
03:06:14,640 --> 03:06:19,280
Speaker 5: seventy sixty eight. That doesn't sell. That in fact scares people.

3052
03:06:19,800 --> 03:06:21,600
Speaker 5: But if you can just talk about an abstract dream

3053
03:06:21,640 --> 03:06:23,680
Speaker 5: that you can get money to keep a building open,

3054
03:06:23,800 --> 03:06:26,800
Speaker 5: rather than promoting the legacy of one of the great

3055
03:06:26,840 --> 03:06:29,280
Speaker 5: activists of the modern era.

3056
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Speaker 1: And well said, is there anything that you think we

3057
03:06:33,760 --> 03:06:36,199
Speaker 1: should know that you haven't covered about doctor King because

3058
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Speaker 1: we learned a lot this morning.

3059
03:06:38,760 --> 03:06:41,600
Speaker 5: Uh. Yeah, there's so many different things. Some people think

3060
03:06:42,400 --> 03:06:45,040
Speaker 5: that doctor King was an integration list and they try

3061
03:06:45,080 --> 03:06:49,880
Speaker 5: to juxtapose Malcolm and Martin. They come Malcolm xim Marlind M. King.

3062
03:06:50,080 --> 03:06:52,600
Speaker 5: They come up with this dichonomy of Malcolm and Martin,

3063
03:06:52,680 --> 03:06:55,840
Speaker 5: that one was for integration, the other one's separation, the

3064
03:06:55,959 --> 03:06:57,840
Speaker 5: ones of Christian ones and muslim and they go down

3065
03:06:57,920 --> 03:07:01,480
Speaker 5: this list. Well, first of all, that falls apart because

3066
03:07:01,600 --> 03:07:04,640
Speaker 5: Malcolm changed some of his views and King was still evolving.

3067
03:07:04,959 --> 03:07:07,800
Speaker 5: But here's one of the fundamental things that people should know.

3068
03:07:07,959 --> 03:07:10,240
Speaker 5: As I said earlier, doctor King is not a civil

3069
03:07:10,360 --> 03:07:13,480
Speaker 5: rights activist actress sixty five. That's a distortion to call

3070
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Speaker 5: him that he's dealing with human rights at But here's

3071
03:07:16,040 --> 03:07:19,560
Speaker 5: something else that people think. They think that he was

3072
03:07:19,640 --> 03:07:24,840
Speaker 5: focused on integration Actually he wasn't and he wasn't focused

3073
03:07:24,879 --> 03:07:28,680
Speaker 5: on integration. So think about the four main aspects of

3074
03:07:28,760 --> 03:07:33,680
Speaker 5: doctor King's life. Four main aspects. His family was all black.

3075
03:07:34,640 --> 03:07:37,840
Speaker 5: He could have married interracially if he was focused on integration.

3076
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Speaker 5: That man was popular, and we know from experience that

3077
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Speaker 5: a man of prominence, that that articulate would have many

3078
03:07:45,480 --> 03:07:49,320
Speaker 5: women who would not hesitate to marry doctor King and

3079
03:07:49,400 --> 03:07:53,080
Speaker 5: that kind of thing. But yet his family is all black. Also,

3080
03:07:54,200 --> 03:07:57,720
Speaker 5: why didn't King move to an integrated neighborhood. Integration didn't

3081
03:07:57,720 --> 03:08:02,680
Speaker 5: touch him, so he still lived in the all the

3082
03:08:02,760 --> 03:08:07,880
Speaker 5: Auburn Avenue area of Atlanta. This was a traditional black

3083
03:08:08,040 --> 03:08:11,039
Speaker 5: area going back generations. Why didn't he move to an

3084
03:08:11,040 --> 03:08:14,160
Speaker 5: integrated area because integration did not touch him. And we

3085
03:08:14,320 --> 03:08:17,840
Speaker 5: all know that the most segregated hour in America is

3086
03:08:18,040 --> 03:08:21,400
Speaker 5: Sunday morning at eleven am. Ho come King did not

3087
03:08:21,520 --> 03:08:24,920
Speaker 5: go to an integrated church. He stayed at Eberneezer Baptist

3088
03:08:25,080 --> 03:08:28,960
Speaker 5: Church there in Atlanta because of the fact that that

3089
03:08:29,360 --> 03:08:32,360
Speaker 5: was the tradition of his father, his grandfather. And he's

3090
03:08:32,440 --> 03:08:35,920
Speaker 5: not focused on integration. And then what's the fourth aspect

3091
03:08:36,000 --> 03:08:40,720
Speaker 5: of his life? His organization the Southern Christian Leadership Compass,

3092
03:08:40,800 --> 03:08:43,480
Speaker 5: and that too, was all black. He was being criticized

3093
03:08:43,520 --> 03:08:47,480
Speaker 5: that where were the white people? So he recognized the

3094
03:08:47,600 --> 03:08:50,640
Speaker 5: damn he needed to try to quiet some of the critics.

3095
03:08:51,000 --> 03:08:56,200
Speaker 5: So Stanley Livingston was a white communist activist who was

3096
03:08:56,240 --> 03:08:59,640
Speaker 5: an advisor, but they didn't have white membership. So his

3097
03:08:59,720 --> 03:09:03,320
Speaker 5: family was all black neighborhood, all black kirk, all black organization,

3098
03:09:03,400 --> 03:09:05,840
Speaker 5: all black words, they integrations. It's not even there. So

3099
03:09:06,480 --> 03:09:08,560
Speaker 5: that's the more many things, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, then we gotta cut it there, Professor mp were

3101
03:09:10,400 --> 03:09:11,800
Speaker 1: just flat out of the time. I want to thank

3102
03:09:11,840 --> 03:09:13,920
Speaker 1: you real quick. How can folks reach you real quick?

3103
03:09:14,560 --> 03:09:17,080
Speaker 5: Uh, you can reach me at main new MPM at

3104
03:09:17,400 --> 03:09:21,920
Speaker 5: Gmail and all steper findment on Facebook and YouTube as well,

3105
03:09:22,280 --> 03:09:23,760
Speaker 5: and you can learn about my projects.

3106
03:09:24,400 --> 03:09:26,879
Speaker 1: Thank you, Professor MPN. Family, we've flat out of time.

3107
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Speaker 1: Stay We've got to get out of here. Kevin's pushing

3108
03:09:30,080 --> 03:09:32,480
Speaker 1: us out of the door. Stay strong, stay positive, please

3109
03:09:32,480 --> 03:09:35,000
Speaker 1: stay healthy. We'll here tomorrow morning, right here in Baltimore

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Speaker 1: on ten ten WLB and also on the DMV on

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen WOL