1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: You know, there's no better feeling in this business casey 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: when some other show does all the work for you. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: I know, they did a really really good job yesterday too, 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: So Braun, the Governor, Mike Braun was on with Hammer 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: and Nigel yesterday, and there is so much they did 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: an excellent job with their interview. 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: There's so much good stuff because they basically hit on 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of the things that are the show. 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: And I thought his answers were absolutely fascinating. And so 10 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 1: we're basically just going to steal a bunch of their 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: clips because like, Bron's never coming on with us ever again. 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: So I thought, though, well he did, and so we'll 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: we'll get into that. But I wanted to play a 14 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: couple of these clips because, like I said, I thought 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: they did a very good job with their interview and. 16 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 3: No fair, we don't need him to come on with us. 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: They asked all the questions and then we can just 18 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: respond to his answers, right, So the big thing and 19 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: look here I was talking with the reporter yesterday about 20 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: this with Braun. One of the things that just drives 21 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: me insane is you ask him a question. This is 22 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: in no way indictment of hammer in Nigel. This is 23 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: every interview I've ever seen Braun do. So you ask 24 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: him a question and he'll go on this long explanation 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: about the event that is happening, which, yes, Einstein, we know, 26 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: that's why we asked you the question. And then he'll 27 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,919 Speaker 1: give you like two seconds of answer about the actual 28 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: question that you asked him. 29 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you asked him what time it is, and he'll 30 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: tell you how to build a watch. 31 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: So I thought they did a pretty good job of 32 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: trying to at least get some answers out of the guy. Okay, 33 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: so they asked him, that's tim about jerrymandering and the 34 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: redistrict thing, and this is the most So basically, we're 35 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: doing it now because he doesn't like the maps in 36 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: the state of Massachusetts. 37 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 4: Listened to this and then all along, and I've been 38 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 4: clear that and it's not a reason that you'd necessarily 39 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 4: do it, but the Democrats have come out so strongly 40 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 4: against it because as they've jerrymandered every place they can 41 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 4: get by with it. Massachusetts the closest comparison to Indiana. 42 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 4: Thirty six percent voted for Trump, thirty nine percent voted 43 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 4: for Harris you know in our state, So do the math. 44 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: That's close. 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 4: They have nine congressional districts, not one Republican because they 46 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 4: were unabashed about jerrymandering and did it. You look at 47 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 4: you look at Illinois, they have pretty well jerrymandered to 48 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 4: the extent you can't anymore. 49 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 3: You noticed what you didn't hear in there? 50 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 5: Indiana? Who's yours? 51 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 3: You taxpayer? How this benefits you? 52 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: I mean, that is such a bizarre leap to say 53 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: we're going to do this because some other state we 54 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: don't like how we did theirs, And in no way 55 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: does this benefit you. It just benefits us, the Republican Party. 56 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: So we're gonna just do this. Yeah, thanks tax payers 57 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: for subsidizing our party function to make our party more powerful. 58 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: Right, that should be the theme of today's show. It's 59 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: never about the taxpayer. 60 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 3: That's right. 61 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: No, you're you're one hundred percent correct. It is absolutely 62 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: and all these answers, almost all these answers. It was 63 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: fascinating that it's always some other thing, some other entity. 64 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: So like it's never you, it's never he never talks 65 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: about you and putting you first. 66 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: It's always you know. 67 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: The government or the party or we'll get to the 68 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: data centers later about how great the data centers are. 69 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: Like it's it's never about you. And so that brings 70 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: us to our next thing that they asked him about, 71 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: which is, why are you willing to move heaven and 72 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: earth to get one or two more seats in the Congress, 73 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: But you wouldn't help the people on your signature issue, 74 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: which is property taxes. 75 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 4: When it comes to property taxes, I had a few 76 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 4: days left in that session to where now that most 77 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 4: people have read the bill thoroughly and see that two thirds, 78 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 4: if not more, will have lower property tax bills every 79 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 4: year going forward, more of your home is exempted. It 80 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 4: wasn't worth walking away from. Plus, try to get something done. 81 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 4: If you do call a special session, remember you can 82 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 4: get overruled with a simple majority. So and we got 83 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 4: that bill so close to being maxed out that it 84 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: only passed by two votes in the Senate to get 85 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 4: it across the finish line. 86 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: So that didn't make sense. And it costs a lot 87 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 3: of money for these special sessions. 88 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 4: Right, well, it's going to cost I've heard estimates anywhere 89 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 4: from a quarter million to maybe three hundred and fifty thousand, 90 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 4: So that's not chump change, but that's a very small 91 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 4: amount to make sure that our representation is reflective of 92 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 4: who's your voters. And compare it again to Massachusetts. 93 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, there's so much of this. First of all, 94 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: First of all, this is the way. Wait, this is 95 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing he lied just a few days ago, 96 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: because he emphatically said one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. 97 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 5: Now he just said two hundred and fifty to three 98 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 5: hundred and fifty thousand. 99 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: And there ain't no way that's what's gonna cost either. 100 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: But let's just give him that. So just to cout, 101 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: you got the governor of the state who your money, 102 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: because that's what's paying for this, your money. So flipping 103 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: about it that I'm one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand 104 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: dollars off, puh, what does that matter? If I can 105 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: help our party is about helping you. He'll spend any 106 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: amount of money if there are a million dollars, he'd 107 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: do it if he thought it would help the party. 108 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: That is the biggest part of that answer right there, 109 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: even though the other stuff is important about how flippant 110 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: he is that he doesn't have any idea what it costs, 111 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: he didn't care. 112 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. 113 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: He would do it if it gets some one more 114 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: seat in Congress because Massachusetts did something. 115 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: But when it comes to property taxes, simple majority, he 116 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: would have been overruled if he called a special session 117 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: for that. 118 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: But then it comes back to what you talked about. 119 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: It's never about you. He's afraid of the General Assembly. Look, 120 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: Braun is a weak person. You hear him speak, you 121 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: hear him give speeches. He's a weak person. And the 122 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: idea that he's not willing to fight for anything. You 123 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: hear him give these answers with Hammer and Nigel, it's hey, 124 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: if I think I got the votes, I'll do it. 125 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: If not, I'm not gonna Can you imagine Ron DeSantis 126 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: how he would hit whether it's this issue or whatever. 127 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: The property taxes. The property tax bill only got through 128 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 1: the sine by two votes because it's a horrible bill, 129 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: not because it was so good for the taxpayers. It's 130 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: a horrible bill for everyone. There's all sorts of new 131 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: tax increases that are going to offset whatever you're going 132 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: to get back. 133 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: We've already laid that out. 134 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: The income taxes at all, property taxes don't stop going up. 135 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: So whatever rebate you're gonna get within four to five years. 136 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: We did the math at the time, it's all gonna 137 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: go away. You're going to end up paying more. And 138 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: because of this bizarro formula, which by the way, is 139 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: my understanding, I don't know. Steven Wimer from Indie Reporter 140 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: is in the chat. He went to some event the 141 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: other day with Jeff Thompson, who's the head of Ways 142 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: and Means who wrote this horrible, rotten property tax bill. 143 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: It gets where he basically finally admitted there's problems with 144 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: the assessments. 145 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: No kidding, idiot. 146 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: That's been the problem from the beginning is the assessments. 147 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: What we've been screaming about are the assessments that some 148 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: it's an elected person, but a non fiscal agent in 149 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: this case, the county assessor. Can you raise your taxes 150 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: without any debate or discussion. I mean, you can appeal it, 151 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: but good luck with that. It's not your your town 152 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: or city boards, it's not your county, your county boards. 153 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: It's the assessor. Is raising your taxes every single year. 154 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: That is the problem. And they did nothing in this 155 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: bill to address this. For braun To act like, Oh, 156 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: I didn't call the special session because the bill. 157 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: Was just too good to walk away from. Doubt it 158 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: was maxed out? What the hell does that mean? 159 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: No, what does that mean? 160 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 3: What does it mean? 161 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: The like there was too much for you, There was 162 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: too much benefit for you, There was too many. 163 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: Taxis for you. What does that mean? 164 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: It was maxed out the bill you proposed, mister governor, 165 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: This bill that passed was a fraction of the benefit 166 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: that you had proposed. But the bring this whole full circle. 167 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: He wasn't willing to fight. He wasn't willing to die 168 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: on the hill for you. He wasn't willing to say 169 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: sometimes you got to get nothing to prove a point 170 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: and then come back. Because what a fighter would have 171 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: done is said, Okay, then I'll call another right, and 172 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: another and another and another, and we will keep doing 173 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: this and let the media keep reporting on it until 174 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: you people get your act together. But he'll burn through 175 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty or two hundred and fifty or 176 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty. 177 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 3: He doesn't even know what it is if it helps 178 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 3: his party. 179 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 5: Well to your point that he's not willing to fight. 180 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 5: If he had real conviction about anything, you would have said, No, 181 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 5: we're calling a special session. 182 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: We're getting this done. This needs to happen in Indiana. 183 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 2: And here's why he doesn't. 184 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 3: Do any of that. 185 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: The only reason he's going to call the special session 186 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: is if he can whip the votes, if he's got 187 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: the votes to make it pass, showing once again he's 188 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 2: not even willing to fight on something for his own party, 189 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: let alone you. 190 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I said, I think Amberon Nigels did 191 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: a fabulous job with this because they got to so 192 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: much in such a short amount of time. So I 193 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: want to take a real quick break. Because they asked 194 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: him about the data centers, oh boy, And the answer, 195 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: the bizarrow answer on the data centers was fascinating to me. 196 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: It's like he acknowledges the problem, but then doesn't acknowledge 197 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: how he and his own IDC are are making the problem. 198 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: Probably Like it's two clips that are just fascinate. We'll 199 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: talk about it next. 200 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 5: It's Kennelly Casey on ninety three WIBC. 201 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: Okay, we got to play these clips of the governor 202 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: talking about the data centers. But before that coming up 203 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: next seconds, we're gonna need some time to get into this. 204 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: Remember last week, Casey, when I talked about the little 205 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 1: public records requests that I put in with the state Police. Oh, 206 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: you had to go through the portal, and they wouldn't 207 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: respond to me, and they made me go through the portal. Well, 208 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: I think the Capitol Chronicle went through the portal too, 209 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: and there is a mass Okay, yeah, so for all 210 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: you people and some other things we talk about that 211 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: you're like, where's this set? 212 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: Where's that at? When are we going to see this? 213 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: When we get as. 214 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: Things take time to reveal themselves, and this is one 215 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: of those where we tried as best we could to 216 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: give you a little easter egg of a nugget of 217 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: what was going on. And now it has revealed itself 218 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: of what we were requesting information on. And just because 219 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: it isn't revealed in the moment doesn't mean it's not 220 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: going to come out. There was a massive update in 221 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: the Tom Kleinhelter case. Of course, Clinhelter is this du 222 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: Boys County sheriff, close political ally of Governor Braun, who 223 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: we made state wide news when former State Police Superintendent 224 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: Carter came on our program and said, look this guy. 225 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: We had an eighty page probable cause affidavit over him 226 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: misusing commissary money to pay for trips and other things, 227 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: and this case should have never gone away. A special 228 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: protector came in and as soon as Carter was out 229 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: of State Police Chief, the case and Braun is in 230 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: as governor, case bagically goes away. There's a massive update 231 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: on that we will get, which was what we were 232 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: trying to tell you we were requesting information on. 233 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 3: And gosh darn it. 234 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: And it's funny because Nikki Kelly's gonna be on with 235 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: this a little bit. The Capitol Chronicle beat us to 236 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: being able to talk about It's funny because last night 237 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: I got the update from the State Police that my 238 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: request had been filled. Now they've got a story up 239 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: about it. So but we'll do that here and just 240 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: say so stick around because that's gonna be huge real quick. 241 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: I do want to The governor was on to me. 242 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: The governor, I mean, he sounds like he's got more 243 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: problems today to deal with, but he he was on 244 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: with Hammer and Nigel yesterday. We played a couple of clips, 245 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: the segment about the jerrymandering and the property why he 246 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: would call special session for jerry mannerment not for property taxes. 247 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: Hammer and Nigel also asked him about the data centers. 248 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: Yep, we've heard reports there's forty coming into the state 249 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: of India. 250 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: And we're going to play you two clips of him 251 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: talking about the data centers, because Bronze is so fascinating 252 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: that it's like he doesn't he acknowledges the problem and 253 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: the problem with the data centers is they're sucking all 254 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: this electricity. 255 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: They're sucking all this power. 256 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 5: It's the energy and the water issue coming up again that. 257 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: We don't have. 258 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: And there you have the skyrocketing utility rates already and 259 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: then even if you raise the rates, there's not the 260 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: infrastructure of support them. Said, let's let's play the first 261 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: clip of Braun talking about. 262 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 3: The data centers. 263 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: What are we thinking here, Well, data centers, if you 264 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 4: don't have them, you're not going to be competing for 265 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: whatever AI is going to do for us. And if 266 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 4: we are not, aren't to AI first, China will be. 267 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 4: They probably like what they see here. We're the leading 268 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 4: edge on that technology. But data centers come at a 269 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 4: high cost. One large data center can use five percent 270 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 4: of the electricity we totally produce as a state, a gigawat, 271 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 4: a gigawat, we only produce twenty for all current businesses 272 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: and households. So and they take three to five years 273 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 4: minimally to set up a new generation facility, probably natural gas. 274 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 4: And until we probably get our hands around small modular reactors, 275 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 4: the safe form of nuclear that powers aircraft carriers and submarines, 276 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 4: we won't be in a place, nor will any state. 277 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 4: Not to mention, they use a lot of water, so 278 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 4: we only have a third of our counties. They got 279 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 4: enough water to do it, and then everyone is sharp 280 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 4: on electric generation, so it's got complications to it. 281 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: Okay, So okay, first of all, your IEDC, mister governor, 282 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: the newly appointed IDC board just approved incentives for four 283 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: more of these things. 284 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 3: If you're so against them, and you're. 285 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: Admitting, he's admitting, we don't have the infrastructure those SMRs. 286 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: That's a twenty year thing. Niki Kelly b with us 287 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: next hour, like I said, and she has a column 288 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: out about this where she touches on that like they're 289 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: trying to be like this is some silver some magic 290 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: silver bullet. These SMRs they're nothing. They they haven't done 291 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: it anywhere. That I'm aware of and he's admitting this, 292 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: and yet your own IEDC just approved massive economic incentives 293 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: for four more of these things to go in over 294 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: the next what seven or eight years, And he said. 295 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: One takes a five percent of the state's energy. One 296 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: data center will take up five percent of the entire 297 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: state's energy. And we're hearing talk that there's forty coming 298 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: into the state of Indiana. Well five percent times forty. 299 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 5: We don't have it. But yet they're saying, yes, come 300 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 5: on in and we're gonna give you a tax abatement. 301 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: What yeah, Like it's That's what I'm saying. It's so. 302 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 3: And by the way, his whole thing is not about you. 303 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: It's not about Indiana. 304 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: It's about America competing with China, which means he's doing 305 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: it to be subservient to Trump. Right, That's exactly what 306 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: that is. That's what he's saying without saying it is. 307 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: This is not about you. It's not about Indiana, because 308 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: if it were about Indiana, he wouldn't be giving all 309 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: this stuff away. We're giving these play people money, basically 310 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: in the short term to. 311 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 3: Come make a bunch of money. What about you. 312 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: I want to share something this came out of the 313 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: South Bend area. This is from WSBT News. They reported 314 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: that there was a multi party memorandum of understanding between 315 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: a Microsoft data center and local water right. So the 316 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: Sa Joe County Economic Development Executive director, he said, what 317 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: we're gonna do is look like for sewer and water 318 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: service and we're going to work through a whole series 319 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: of professional studies, engineering studies to really make sure we 320 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: can validate the service area maps. So they're putting in 321 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: this data center and then they're going to do the 322 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: engineering studies to see if they've got the water to 323 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: cover it. This is so much putting the cart before 324 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: the horse. 325 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, at this point, Braun and his IDC goons clearly 326 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: can't do it. These local governments have to stop start 327 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: saying no, you're the line of defense. If you're a 328 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: local government, you cannot give them the zoning approval to 329 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: come in and do it. You have to stop it. 330 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: You have to ignore the pie in the sky numbers 331 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: they're throwing at you, and oh, this will put you 332 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: on the map, and da da da da dah. No, 333 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: what it's going to do is it's going to put 334 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: your community out of power and out of water. You got, okay, 335 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: one way I want to make sure we get There's 336 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: one more clip of him talking about the data centers. 337 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 3: Is it expensive? Are costs going to go up? Do 338 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 3: we have any numbers on that. 339 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 4: If we don't add generation? And a bill was passed 340 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 4: that was forward looking that every data center that comes 341 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 4: online from here forward has to pay for eighty percent 342 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 4: of the electric generation investment costs and we're going to 343 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 4: ideally get that to one twenty if people want to 344 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 4: come here for other reasons, so they put some electricity 345 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 4: back on the grid. Otherwise you're going to hear more 346 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 4: about high electric rates. 347 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 3: You're going to hear it from me. 348 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 4: You know. Rob Kendall was a loud voice on property taxes. 349 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 4: He just was disappointed with the final outcome. Well here 350 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 4: electric rates, electric bills Southern Indiana. There's a loud cry 351 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 4: because that's owned by utility. It's put a lot of 352 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 4: costs into it that if jacked rates down there similar 353 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 4: to what we saw on property taxes. So it's going 354 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 4: to be the new property tax issue. I'm going to 355 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 4: try to reconfigure the agencies that oversee it to where 356 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 4: their strong ratepayer concern not just concern for the utilities 357 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 4: because it's breaking the bank as well. 358 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: Sir, we put a thousand people in the state House. 359 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: It wasn't just me, it was thousands of people. Now, 360 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: maybe you were lying when you said it, but both 361 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: you and the Lieutenant governor said, oh, it's the number 362 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: one issue everwhere we go. It's all we hear. What'd 363 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: you do? You lie to everybody? You screwed them, and 364 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: now they're going to be paying higher taxes? Is that 365 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: your plan with electric bills? Is that the plan? 366 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 2: Like? 367 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 4: What is it? 368 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 3: Rob Kendall's a loud voice. No, I was a voice. 369 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 5: Hi, my name is Casey. 370 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 371 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 3: By the way, right, yeah, you totally just like you're 372 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 3: not even a human. Yeah, I'm a loud voice. 373 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,239 Speaker 2: And I would like to point out I believe it 374 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: was what three days ago that I said, oh, by 375 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 2: the way, this whole energy and the utility costs, that 376 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: is going to be the new property tax. 377 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 378 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: If he handles the electric bills anyway anywhere similar that 379 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: he handled the property tax bill, you're gonna be You're 380 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: gonna be paying about ten times what you're paying now. 381 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: All right, So we got to take a break. But shoot, 382 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: we didn't even get to. 383 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 5: The clip of him get to that fine helter update. 384 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: We didn't even get to the clip of Micah's chief 385 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: of staff's ridiculous husband the hammer asked him about that, 386 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: all right, but we get the big thing is we 387 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: got to talk about the the client helter stuff because 388 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: that is fascinating and in a primo example, when we 389 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: tell you something, we can't always tell you everything right away. 390 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean things aren't happening. Let's talk about it next. 391 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 5: It's Kendilly Casey on ninety three WYBC. 392 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 3: Things take time Casey. 393 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 5: Yes, just like the song is saying, there is a 394 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 5: season for everything. 395 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: Things don't especially in the government, they don't always get 396 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: revealed right away. And it's just we're dealing with legal, 397 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: legal stuff, and we're going to give you a great 398 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: example of this. 399 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 3: So last week we had a little fun. I said 400 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 3: I had asked. 401 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: From some information from the state Police, and they were like, 402 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: please smooch both of our butt cheeks and fill it 403 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: out through this portal. And I said, come on, like 404 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: I asked for some very straightforward stuff, you could have 405 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: just given it to me. 406 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 3: But you're not. 407 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 5: Special, Rob Kendall. Do it the way everybody else has that. 408 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: And I said, I can't tell you what it is 409 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: because they got to get the documents back before I 410 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: know this thing took place, but I've got to get 411 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: the documents. And this is the thing right on this program, 412 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: when we tell you stuff's going down, I think we're 413 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: batting about a thousand when we tell you stuff's going down, 414 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: and then the stuff goes down. And what we were 415 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: looking into now Capital Chronicle, which good on them. They've 416 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: got a you know, an army of people that they 417 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: can dispense. 418 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: It's just with us, it's just me in case. 419 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: So you know, if there's if the daddy daycare service 420 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: runs a little long one day, we don't get to 421 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: things as fast as other days. But so in Capitol 422 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: Chronicle has a big article out. Let's just remind everybody 423 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: of who Tom Klinhelter is because this is very important. 424 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: So Tom Kleinhlter is the Dubois County sheriff, that is 425 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: the home county of Mike Braun. Klein Helter is a 426 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: close political ally of Governor Braun. And last year, while 427 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: Holcombe was still the governor and Doug Carter was still 428 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: the state Police superintendent, Klein Helter was in an eighty 429 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: page probable cause Avid David accused of misusing money from 430 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: the commissary that's the money inmates pay into in the jail, 431 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: which the sheriff has basically control over. 432 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 5: A use some of these funds for employee gifts. 433 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: But the big one was he paid for his allegedly 434 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: paid for his wife to go on these trips with him. 435 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 3: State Police looked into it. 436 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: A guy by the name of Jeff Heron was the 437 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: officer who was put in charge of the case. He 438 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: was the guy that helped lead the Jamie Nole investigation. 439 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: He did the Sean Reid investigation, basically one of the 440 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: top guys in state police. A special prosecutors brought in 441 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: from Orange County. They present this eighty page probable cause Avidavit. 442 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: Everything seems to be moving swimmingly, you know, and these 443 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: allegations of public corruption, and then all of a sudden, 444 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: there's this radio silence. Braun becomes the governor, who keep 445 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: in mind, Braun and client Helter are close political allies. 446 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: Braun becomes the governor and a new police superintendent comes in. 447 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: Doug Carter leaves, and all of a sudden, not only 448 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: are is Clientelter cleared of all wrongdoings but an eighty 449 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: page probably cause affidavit. They basically let him write his 450 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: own press release saying. 451 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 3: That he didn't do anything wrong, and the. 452 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: Investigative officer gets disciplined here in reassigned. 453 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 3: By the state police. 454 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: And so Doug Carter came on our program this has 455 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: been a little over a month ago, now, I believe, 456 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: and spent the hour with us talking about this case 457 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: because he said, look, there's all of this stuff that 458 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: tells me this guy did some pretty serious This guy, 459 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,239 Speaker 1: being client Helter, did's some pretty serious stuff and I 460 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: don't understand how it could have gone away. I don't 461 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: understand how he could not be charged with anything. And 462 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: the even bigger thing is how this decorated, thirty plus 463 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: year officer is being punished for simply doing his job. 464 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 3: Yes, so state. 465 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: Obviously everybody knows about WIBC. So media outlets cross the 466 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: state started catching onto this and have been running stories 467 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: about it. Capitol Chronicle did a big expose on it. 468 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: And now this is what I was requesting information on. 469 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: I'm just going to read you to make sure we 470 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: relay the information accurately from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle. The 471 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: state body that oversees police certification is now considering whether 472 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: du Boys County Sheriff Tom klein Helter should be stripped 473 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: of his law enforcement credentials. The Indiana Law Enforcement Training 474 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: Boards Decertification Subcommittee was asked last week to review the case, 475 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: following a request from the Indiana Law Enforcement Academy. 476 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: And its executive director, Tim Horty. 477 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and under Indiana law, you can be decertified even 478 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: without a criminal conviction. 479 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: Well, right, and it's mi understanding. And I'll have to 480 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: have Doug come back on again and explain to us 481 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: how all this works. 482 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 3: But that would take away his arrest power the board. 483 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: The board accused Clinhelter of perjury, alleging that the sheriff 484 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: signed a nepotism compliance for months after he approved his 485 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: wife as a special deputy. The Training Board claimed that 486 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: that could be a violation of the county's policy around 487 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: quote hiring and supervising relatives. Clienthelter is further accused of 488 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: false informing for telling state police investigators that he received 489 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: an Airline E credit for a canceled work trip, although 490 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: the airline confirmed he was actually issued a direct refund. 491 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. 492 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: So Look this is and we got into this with Carter. 493 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how I want to say this. 494 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: I think there's I think there's still a bunch of 495 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: moving parts on this thing, and so I don't want to. 496 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 3: I don't want to in any way. Does this sound familiar? 497 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: There's a bunch of moving parts and a bunch of 498 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: people are doing stuff and you don't want to reveal 499 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: what certain people? Does this sound familiar to anyone like 500 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: anything else going on right now? Look, I've gotten to 501 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: know Doug Carter and we have some Look, I vehemently 502 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: disagree with him on DELFI right, I still disagree with 503 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: him about whether the whether Alan acted alone or not. 504 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: I've gotten to know Doug Carter pretty well over the 505 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: past several months, and I don't think Doug would mind 506 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: me telling this now. Doug had initially reached out to 507 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: me about this even and this. I think this said 508 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: a lot about Doug Carter, because we says some pretty 509 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: bad things about Doug. 510 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: Carter on this program. 511 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 512 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely, But Doug Carter reached out to me and he 513 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: and he basically said, look, nobody calls it straight than 514 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: you do, and here's what I know. 515 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 3: I met him. 516 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: When we met for about an hour, we talked about this, 517 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: and he said, here's what I know, here's my concerns, 518 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: here's what I like to look into. And I spent 519 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: it was probably a month before Doug ended up on 520 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: the show with us verifying the things that Doug had 521 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: told me in our initial meeting, and through multiple sources, 522 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: all the stuff that he had said checked out. And 523 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: so I think we as a state have got to 524 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: look or take a real hard look here that you 525 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: have a guy who the sitting state Police superintendent at 526 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: the time, who has no I couldn't find any reason 527 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: this guy would have a grudge against Clin Helter. I 528 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: don't see anything in their past where they've crossed paths 529 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: that he would have some deep seated hatred or gotcha 530 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: attempt or whatever. This guy client Helter appeers to have 531 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: appears to have done. And it seems like these other organizations, 532 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: at least some of them, are starting to share that 533 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: view publicly did some pretty shady stuff. 534 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: And when you look at an eighty. 535 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: Page probable cause, Avid David by a decorated law enforcement 536 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: officer who's been very well thought of I've tuck to 537 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: multiple people in State Police or somebody sources I have 538 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: inside State Police who said Jeff Heren is the best 539 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: of the best. And when you look at an eighty 540 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: page probable cause Affidavid the evidence in front of us, 541 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: and the fact that according to Carter, there were no 542 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: red flags from the special prosecutor until Mike Brawn became 543 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: the governor and a new State Police superintendent was appointed 544 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, all of this just 545 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: goes away. And when the Capitol Chronicle reached out to Huddleson, 546 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: I think is their name, the special prosecutor, she couldn't 547 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: give a reason. 548 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 3: Like when you don't charge. 549 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: Somebody, you'll say, look, here's the you know, here's the reasons, da, da, 550 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: da da. 551 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 3: She wouldn't give you or give them a reason. 552 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: I think this is a massive story at this point, 553 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: and the fact that you have law enforcement now basically 554 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: backing that up, or at least some committee of law 555 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: enforcement backing that up. This needs to be something that 556 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: every media out in the state outlet and the state 557 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: is on because the fact that you've got a very 558 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: close political ally of the governor who is at the 559 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: epicenter of all of this, and the thing goes away 560 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: once Braun becomes the governor. That's a heck of a coincidence. 561 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 5: Casey, it is a little sus isn't it. 562 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: So there's going to be hearings. There's no timeline set 563 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 2: for him. It could take several months. This is again 564 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: one of those things that yes, information will come out, 565 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 2: just maybe not as quickly as you would like. Client 566 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,239 Speaker 2: Helter has not been scheduled for a hearing, but an 567 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: official notice was recently sent to him and his attorney. 568 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 2: Now you've got the Indiana Law Enforcement Training Board. They're 569 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: going to be making the final decision on this, and 570 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: these board members are appointed by the governor. None of 571 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: the current ones were appointed by Braun. Client Helter himself 572 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 2: serves on this board, although he won't have a vote 573 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: on his own case. 574 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: All right, So that's the latest on that, And look, 575 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: I just want to reiterate we sometimes get put in 576 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: bad positions because we get information, and when we get information, 577 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: we want to give stuff to you. 578 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 2: You. 579 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: We have to have a balancing act of being able 580 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: to give you our audience information on things and yet 581 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: still working to protect our sources and confirm things and 582 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: also not endanger the ability to give you more. 583 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 3: Information in the future. 584 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: So there's some times where people will be like, where's this, 585 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: where's that? 586 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 3: Why isn't this here? Why isn't that here? That here? 587 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: We are a lot of times working on three or 588 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: four different things at the same time, and we're trying, 589 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: we always make our best effort to give you every 590 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: bit of information we can without damaging one damaging the 591 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: people who if they give it to us without wanting 592 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: to be named, we got to try to confirm it 593 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: and then give it to you and not out those people, 594 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: and then also not out our ability to give you 595 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: more information in the future. 596 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 3: So there you go. That's the latest on that. 597 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 5: It's kind of like Casey, it's ninety three WYBC whatnot. 598 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 6: But this, you know, well, this is a fascinating story 599 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 6: from down in Evansville, and it sort of goes back 600 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 6: to what the governor touched on with Hammer and Nigel yesterday. 601 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: People have had enough of the utility bills. 602 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well he was talking about the data centers 603 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: and how much they're talking you know, they're taking, but 604 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: we're also have the rate hikes that are going up everywhere. 605 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: So multiple outlets have reported on this. Look, I mean, 606 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: you've seen twenty thirty percent increases. Of course, there was 607 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: that big meeting last night for the AES customers. There's 608 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: another big proposal for them. The consumer has gotten totally 609 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: screwed on their utility bills the last four or five years, 610 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: and it is maddening because the utilities are a monopoly. 611 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: You can't opt out, you can't shop, you got to 612 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: have them, and they're appointed by the government, right, So 613 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: I think that's where people they say, look, I can't 614 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: there is no competition whatever. They say, I gotta have it, 615 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: and you gotta have lights that turn on, you gotta 616 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: have heat in your home in the winter. 617 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 3: So I get screwed. 618 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: And it just seems like the shareholders of these utilities 619 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: keep making more and more money at my expense, and 620 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to live my life, like I don't 621 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: think anybody mind's paying for electricity. I don't think anybody 622 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: minds paying for heat in their home. But it's the 623 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: same thing with the property tax. I don't think people, 624 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: you know, obviously think a lot of people believe that 625 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: you shouldn't you should not have to pay any property tax. 626 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: But you didn't see a you know, a you know, 627 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: a fur over this until the last four or five 628 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: years where you started seeing the doubling and tripling of property. 629 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: It used to be, hey, you're building up one percent, 630 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: or you know, hey you're building up you know, thirty 631 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: bucks or whatever, and of course you grumble about it, 632 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: but then you just fifty bucks. 633 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 3: You just pay it and go on. 634 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: But when you're seeing six, seven, eight hundred dollars increases 635 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: for people, yeah, now rage has set in. And that's 636 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: what you're seeing with the utility bills. You're seeing not 637 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: only these increases, but you're seeing them be massive in 638 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: size and scope, and people are pissed. 639 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 2: Off and they're just going to keep increasing as well. 640 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: So Angelo's Italian Restaurant down in Evansville posted a sign 641 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 2: saying it will no longer serve Center Point Energy employees 642 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: where they're affiliates. 643 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 3: Uh, good for them, I like this. 644 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 2: Sorry for the inconvenience, but we have been inconvenience. 645 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And look, look there's probably I'm sure there are 646 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: a lot of well meaning people who work, you know, 647 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: for Centerpoint Energy. 648 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 3: You have nothing to do with that. 649 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: They're just people digging ditches or taking your phone calls 650 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: or whatever. They're not the decision makers, and so I 651 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: feel bad for these people that they're sort of like 652 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: public Enemy number one, where they're probably just trying to, 653 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, go to work each day, earn a living, 654 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: and they're paying the same stuff that you're paying. But 655 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: at some point you do have to put your foot 656 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: down and start making stands. And if that's what it 657 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: takes to draw some attention to this. Here's what's interesting though. 658 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: Did I send this to you? I bet I did, 659 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: And this is everything that's going on in our country. 660 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 3: Did I send you the Jesse Brown thing yesterday? 661 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 5: You did? 662 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 3: Okay, very good. 663 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: So Jesse Brown is a member of the Indianapolis City 664 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: County Council. He is an avowed socialist. However, he is 665 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: by far the most honest member on that board, say 666 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: maybe maybe Josh Bain. And so there was this big 667 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: meeting with AES last night, the utility provider here in 668 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: city of Indianapolis. 669 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 3: For many many people, public hearing, and. 670 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: For the most part, I didn't hear anything from any 671 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: state lawmakers Republicans who control everything. You didn't hear any 672 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: state reps saying well, let's go to this meeting. If 673 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: they are out there, let me know. I'll be happy, 674 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: happy to give you credit. I just didn't see any 675 00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: posts or anything from anybody. Senators, certainly the governor. Where's 676 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: the Lieutenant governor? Where where is he? Where is the 677 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: yes where is he? He has not been saying we 678 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: put the milk carton photo up because he has not 679 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: been seen or heard from in several days. Somebody maybe 680 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: he's out of the country. I don't know, but maybe 681 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: he's joined Diego on some India jount who knows, but 682 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: nobody from his office. Where's ROKEDA Diego any of these 683 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: people right like you're not seeing these Republican politicians have 684 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 1: the outrage over these skyrocketing utility bills. 685 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 3: But guy Jesse Brown, the Socialist, was there. 686 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 5: He could go. 687 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: He went to the meeting and he was posting about it, 688 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: and he was encouraging people to come. 689 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,479 Speaker 3: And I don't know if he was able to speak 690 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 3: at the meeting or not. 691 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: But what does that say when our Republican lawmakers are 692 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 1: so in bed with these utilities which Capitol Chronicle laid 693 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: that out about the meals and the tickets, donations. 694 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 2: And the bully Even if you're a mayor of a 695 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 2: city and you stand up and say no, we don't 696 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 2: want any more increases, you get yelled at. 697 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking about Austin Bonta, the mayor of Portage 698 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,720 Speaker 1: who ed Soliday, who's the head of utilities in the House, 699 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: sent him some very mean texts saying he was basically 700 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: going to try to keep his city from getting any 701 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: additional money going forward if he kept criticizing utilities in the. 702 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 5: Way is Soliday Carol because it might affect his steak dinner? 703 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? So I mean, but think about this. 704 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: None of the Republicans that I'm aware of in your 705 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: in the General Assembly are there passionately fighting for you. 706 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: But the socialist guy cares more about you being able 707 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: to your wallet than the Republicans. What does that say 708 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: about who these Republicans actually are? 709 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 3: Where the avowed. 710 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: Socialist is doing more to fight special interest and to 711 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: stand up for you and your wallet than the Republicans. 712 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's another business down in Evansville that is going 713 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 2: to be hosting a night without They're just trying to 714 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 2: raise awareness for all of the high energy costs. 715 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 1: Well, and again, like I feel bad for these Centerpoint employees. 716 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: Because there's I'm sure many fine people, but at some 717 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 1: point you've got to start making a stand because we 718 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: the consumer are getting screwed. You're getting screwed. If you 719 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: got Duke, you get screwed. If you got Center Point, 720 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: you're screed. You got as any of these people were. 721 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: It almost seems like on all of them you're seeing 722 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: just continual rate increases and at what point are you 723 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: priced out of living? 724 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 2: So as that was their fourth public hearing, and I'm curious, 725 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 2: after all of the data that they've gathered, did they decide, oh, 726 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 2: we're going to have to do the infrastructure upgrades on 727 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 2: our own? 728 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 5: Look like, did they what? 729 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 4: What? 730 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 2: What? 731 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 4: Did? 732 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 5: What did they come to? 733 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: At the end of all that, they're they're profit magnets, 734 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: They're they're most of these people are for profit companies. 735 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: They're not going to stop trying to make profit. This 736 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: is where the gut. This sounds weird coming from me, 737 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: but this is the system they've set up where the 738 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: government is the oversight, the government is the parent. The 739 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: government has to tell these people, no, you've had enough, 740 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,959 Speaker 1: You've charged these people enough. 741 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 3: But the government isn't blameless. 742 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: And then in this either because they keep putting these 743 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: megabuildings and these data centers and all these other things 744 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: that are sucking all this power. 745 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 3: So everybody's bad in this. You know it's not bad you, 746 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 3: but you know he's getting screwed you. You're the victim 747 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 3: in all of this. 748 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: Everybody else is doing bad things to cause it, and 749 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: you're the one who has to pay for it. 750 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 5: We've got to Is Ryan going to join us? 751 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,919 Speaker 3: Okay? So there is some breaking us guests coming up? Yeah, yeah, 752 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 3: there's Okay. 753 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: At eleven o'clock in Ireland from these General Simon's gonna 754 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: be with us. He's going to show us his receipts. 755 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 4: Yeah he is. 756 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 2: He posted something earlier that he spent like almost eight 757 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 2: dollars at McDonald's, and I'm very curious. You know, he's 758 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 2: putting his receipt out there. This is what I ate 759 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 2: while I was in Washington, DC. 760 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna show Diego Morause the Secretary of State 761 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: how transparency actually works when showing someone you paid for 762 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: a trip, because he apparently can't get that through his 763 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: thick skull on how that works. So that's coming up 764 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 1: at eleven, but coming up next, So there's some breaking 765 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: News on the passing of Jim Ersay and how he 766 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: spent the final couple years of his life. I don't 767 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: think it's a surprise to anyone. It is something we 768 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: have talked about, and so Ryan Hedrick from the w 769 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: ABC newsroom will be with us. We'll tell you what 770 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: the information was. But also Ryan Hedrick obviously has been 771 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: very candid about his addiction struggles and issues. They have 772 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: the supporting Sobriety podcast, so we'll kind of get his 773 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: take on what this is like to be in the 774 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 1: position Jim Orsay allegedly was in the final years of 775 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: his life. 776 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's coming out from ninety three w IBC. 777 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 3: She saves Me the Heaven