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Speaker 1: Rick Is on the Payloff Slickers hotline coach, Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you. How are you okay? How have you framed

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Speaker 1: I guess these early losses with your team, you know,

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Speaker 1: you just watch every night and you've got you know,

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Speaker 1: half your front line guys, if not more, in street clothes.

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Speaker 1: Have you found it challenging at all when you get

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Speaker 1: into those postgame locker rooms and kind of framing the

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Speaker 1: effort that you're seeing and obviously comparing that to your record.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not difficult really, with the exception of two games.

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Speaker 2: The game at Memphis we we did not play well,

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Speaker 2: did not compete at the level that we needed to,

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Speaker 2: and then the home game against Atlanta. Those were those

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Speaker 2: were the two that were not good. And you know,

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Speaker 2: really you've got to be realistic about things and from

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Speaker 2: a process standpoint, we have to be at a very

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Speaker 2: high compete level, a very high unselfish level, and all

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Speaker 2: those things, and uh, you know, the the other games

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Speaker 2: that we've played so far, you know, we've met those standards,

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Speaker 2: and so we've just got to be you know, we

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Speaker 2: we we've got to have a great level of objectivity here.

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Speaker 2: I'm the ones you know, on the other hand, we've

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Speaker 2: gotta we've got to work to get through a challenge

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Speaker 2: of time. Rick.

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Speaker 3: When you look at that fourth quarter, you all were

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Speaker 3: down double digits, come back to tie the game. And

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Speaker 3: I talked to Jaris and Pascal after the game. They

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Speaker 3: were saying that this is sort of their DNA at

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Speaker 3: this point. And why do you think no matter who

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Speaker 3: to rally and have that next play mentality despite you know,

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Speaker 3: losing two guys throughout the game.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is what we've built, you know, this is

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Speaker 2: this is what we've done here. And I say we

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Speaker 2: It's been everybody, you know, It's been management, It's been

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Speaker 2: the players, the coaching staff. We we've really have have

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Speaker 2: strove to uh uh to build a culture of compete

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Speaker 2: no matter what, you know, get down in dirty as

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Speaker 2: much as you have to, as far as you know,

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Speaker 2: getting on the floor, playing with grit, playing with guts,

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Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, and and find a way,

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Speaker 2: you know, find a way to win games, find a

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Speaker 2: way to stay in games. You know the situation. So

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Speaker 2: you know, I've been very pleased for the most part

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Speaker 2: with with the effort that we've had, really with the

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Speaker 2: exception of those two those two games, and you know,

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Speaker 2: tomorrow's another tough one, and you know we've lost a

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Speaker 1: Again, Brooklyn tomorrow night for Rick Carlisle and the Pacers

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Speaker 1: before they head out west. Here, coach, last night, I

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Speaker 1: thought Isaiah Jackson gave you arguably probably one of his

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Speaker 1: better games of his young career. I've found myself needing

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Speaker 1: to remind myself he's only a year removed from the

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Speaker 1: torn Achilles. What specific did you like from Isaiah last night?

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Speaker 2: High level of aggression, energy, you know, he's he's one

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Speaker 2: of our fighters too. You know, he's you know, he's

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Speaker 2: I know where he's from. You know, I was, I

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Speaker 2: was in Detroit for a couple of years. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's from Pontiac, Michigan. I mean, those are those are

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Speaker 2: tough dudes come out of there, you know, And so

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Speaker 2: he's a he's a warrior type guy. And very heartening

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Speaker 2: to see progress that he's made throughout the process of

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Speaker 2: return to play. You know, at the beginning, it was

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Speaker 2: it was difficult. You know, a lot of ups and downs,

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Speaker 2: and you know, very clearly did not have great rhythm

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Speaker 2: he can do it. And really, this is this is

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Speaker 2: what we ask of everyone, and that is just to

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Speaker 2: give an unconditionally unselfish and gutty effort, you know, out

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Speaker 1: You mentioned another night of injuries in Quentin Jackson leaving

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Speaker 1: the game early, so you'll have to change up the

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Speaker 1: was curious with all of your injuries, particularly at point guard.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've talked over the past couple of years.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've you've really handed the ball to Tyrese

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Speaker 1: of you try have you had to create more like

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Speaker 2: have played in this style and have played a you know,

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Speaker 2: and you know, when when you get in this situation,

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Speaker 2: slowing the game down can seem like a good idea,

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Speaker 2: but uh it could be a curse too, because it's

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Speaker 2: a lot harder to get shots, uh, let alone score.

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Speaker 2: So we've tried to keep the tempo up. We need

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Speaker 2: to keep an element of ball security in you know,

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Speaker 2: light ball turnovers in this kind of situation are very

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Speaker 2: difficult to overcome. And the idea is to play as

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Speaker 2: much through our best players as we can. And right now,

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Speaker 2: the two guys that are the the main guys obviously

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Speaker 2: are Pascal Siakam and Aaron Nesmith, and so a lot

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Speaker 2: of action is going through them, and we got to

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Speaker 2: continue to try to find the best opportunities we can Rick.

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Speaker 3: When you look at that fourth quarter, Jarris Walker ten

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Speaker 3: making a bit to keep you all in that game.

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Speaker 2: Force, you know, a level of force that is needed,

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Speaker 2: more of that. He's made progress, for sure, people watching

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Speaker 2: little bit of everything for us. You know, he's got

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Speaker 2: the ability to guard, he's got the ability to rebound,

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Speaker 2: the ability to make open shots. He drove the ball

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Speaker 2: well last night. His passing is is something that is

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Speaker 3: You've mentioned for us a few times throughout Jarius and

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Speaker 3: I know he's already a tough guy, but what does

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Speaker 2: Just a mindset, you know, you simulate situations, you get

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Speaker 2: Just you know, it's it's a lot of it, a

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Speaker 2: he's he's playing a different style and he played at Houston.

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Speaker 2: I'm not really familiar with with what he's high school

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Speaker 2: and time at IMG looked like from a style standpoint.

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Speaker 2: I do know that he played point guard one year

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Speaker 2: but listen, this is this is a golden opportunity, you know,

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Speaker 2: for for him and in the organization right now, for

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Speaker 2: him to get, you know, some really high level, meaningful

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Speaker 1: Tuesdays Tuesdays at eight Carlisle with us here on the

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Speaker 1: Paylistics Hotline again, PACER's got one more here at home

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Speaker 1: before they head out west. Obviously some extra juice in

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Speaker 1: the building last night coach, any interactions with Miles pregame

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Speaker 2: Came over to the bench, you know, to to shake

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Speaker 2: hands with people right before the tip. That was it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, were you surprised at all by the fan reaction

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Speaker 1: pregame or within the game when Miles touched the ball?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I I guess not. And you know,

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Speaker 2: if you look at everything that has transpired over whatever

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Speaker 2: not I'm not on those social media channels in large

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Speaker 2: so you know, divorce is difficult, you know, it's just, uh,

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Speaker 2: it just is. I will say that that I always

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Speaker 2: But I harbor no ill feelings toward Miles as a

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Speaker 2: want to get into all that, but you know, some

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Speaker 2: of the stuff going after teammates unnecessarily didn't didn't didn't

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Speaker 2: I was I was not expecting that extremer reaction. But

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Speaker 2: I'm the one hand, on the other hand, things happen. Rick.

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Speaker 3: Last one for me, we talk about franchise pillars, and

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Speaker 3: Pascal Siakaman. After the game, he was talking about the

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Speaker 3: just a few times, but with Pascal when he talks

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Speaker 3: push himself even more at this stage of his career.

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Speaker 3: For a guy who probably has a Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: He's just he's an amazing player, I mean, just flat

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Speaker 2: I don't know that you're going to find a more

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Speaker 2: in a culture that we were building, and that those things,

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Speaker 2: those things are very gratifying. Our fans should be very

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Speaker 2: I don't you know, I don't think that comes as

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Speaker 1: Coach, kind of going off that and last one, and

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Speaker 1: as always, we appreciate the time you mentioned Aaron E.

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Speaker 1: there's no balance at this point. It's just the state

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just, you know, it comes down to it

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Speaker 2: that's that's something that is hard to overcome right now.

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Speaker 2: You know, you just you need your your best players

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Speaker 2: very vigilant about getting him and Aaron their rest. You know,

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Speaker 2: Ernly played played a little under thirty four minutes last night.

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Speaker 2: You know that's that's the manageable number, you know, but

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Speaker 2: we just you know, just got to try to keep

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Speaker 2: these guys as fresh as possible. I think at this

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Speaker 1: Any chance Andrew or Benn play for you as you

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Speaker 2: Uh? I mean you're talking about that's a that's a week,

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Speaker 2: ten days out. So is there a chance we'll get

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Speaker 2: some guys back? There's a chance.

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Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle on the payless Lookers outline again, Pacers and

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Speaker 1: nets coming up tomorrow night inside of Gambridge Field. That's

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Speaker 1: before they indeed head out west. Coaches always thank you

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Speaker 1: were great figure