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Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your Tuesday with us. Later, Grill,

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Speaker 1: Baba la Mumba from a Moja house in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Will check into our classroom. Baba la Mumba always always

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Speaker 1: provides us with some thought provoking topics to discuss, and

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Speaker 1: this time around, Baba la Mumba will define freedom, why

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Speaker 1: it's very important to the Black community, and what is freedom.

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Speaker 1: But before Baba Lamumba, the founder and the president of

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Speaker 1: the National Black Farmers Association, John Boyd will preview the

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Speaker 1: group's conference and Moomentelli, former New York lawmaker Charles Barron

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Speaker 1: will check in. But let's check in with Kevin first

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Speaker 1: and get these classroom doors open and start this Tuesday programming.

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Speaker 1: Hey Kevin, good morning, Grand Rising brother.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, good morning, ring A Ding Ding. The glass

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Speaker 2: is now open. How you feeling, Carl Nelson?

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm still learning.

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Speaker 2: That is an active activity that one must do. There's

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Speaker 2: so much to learn, so much to then take action on.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we look forward to the shared learning

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Speaker 2: you're gonna bring.

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Speaker 1: But you know what there's all saying, Kevin, you know,

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Speaker 1: the more you know, the more you grow.

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Speaker 2: I'm still looking for knowledge. I'm still learning. Oh, that's

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Speaker 2: a great affirmation. I would believe that the more you know,

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Speaker 2: the more you grow. Growth comes with learning, and learning

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Speaker 2: comes with listening, and on and on and on. So

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Speaker 2: that's how you do that. Today being the twenty first

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Speaker 2: day of October on a Tuesday morning, and we're just

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Speaker 2: so glad that everything is going well, and yet for

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Speaker 2: for concern. Former President Joe Biden completes a course of

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Speaker 3: I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: I didn't remember that he had cancer and he had

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Speaker 1: What do you know he had it? He was diagnosed

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Speaker 2: and Biden's daughter Ashley posted a short video of her

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Speaker 2: go up for the former president. Speaking of presidents, the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting because we'll see because he really wants Chicago,

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Speaker 1: Out right, and the game plan is Kevin, it's just,

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Speaker 1: And by the way, we're paying for all of this,

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Speaker 2: Look, the bill has fallen short of sixty votes needed

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Speaker 2: Isn't it called compromise though? I thought it was all

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Speaker 2: about compromise and negotiation of right, not necessarily. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's a win when and when you can negotiate.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, But if you're not even at the table.

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Speaker 2: Okay, one last one, last point before we get to

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Speaker 3: Man, I was looking you.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned something about p Diddy and he asked the

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Speaker 2: and so he says, will I consider pardoning him?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear something different?

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Speaker 1: CMC's reporting that the Trump is considering commuting a ditty

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Speaker 1: census as early as this week, Kevin. And this is

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Speaker 1: Trump could set Diddy free as early as this week,

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Speaker 2: Well, the president's quote that I have here, he says,

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Speaker 3: Guy, but he was very hostile, very hostile.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know what that means, because we do

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Speaker 2: know that Trump always chickens out right, So you're you're right,

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Speaker 3: So, well, yeah, that's of consideration.

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Speaker 1: So you know, the people, I guess there's two sides

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Speaker 2: Is the twenty. First, it's ten past the hour of six,

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you so much. Good morning, grandmis and how

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Speaker 1: We're still learning, Charles, We're still learning. We want to

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Speaker 1: find out more what's going on in your city because

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Speaker 1: you have a race coming up, in the oral race

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Speaker 1: coming up. Oh, it was about three weeks from now.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be three weeks.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, weeks, eight weeks November fourth.

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Speaker 1: November four. Wow, month is almost over. But Charles, it

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Speaker 1: looks like my Donnie is still holding the lead.

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Speaker 3: What's going on there?

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Speaker 6: So initially folks wanted to endorse Mamadannie and so you know,

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Speaker 6: and then we undid back the endorsement because he's moving

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Speaker 4: Do it all over.

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Speaker 6: But we're not satisfied with Zorn or the others were

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Speaker 1: All right, fortune off the topic, A couple gonna break,

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't this give an opportunity for all those

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 6: now you ask the excellent question, because right now the

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Speaker 6: we can keep them in chat.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold that though, right there, we've got to

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Speaker 1: I guess it's Charles Brown. Cheles's remember New York City Council,

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Speaker 1: It looks like the candidate there, Mandane, is going to win,

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, we're very, very honored to be able to do that.

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Speaker 6: But Operation Power, my wife and Esza and I we

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Speaker 6: It was in the Democratic primary. But we're independent. We

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Speaker 6: And now we're taking this across the country as know.

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Speaker 6: This weekend we'll be in Philadelphia with the National Black

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Speaker 6: you know, because no matter what Zoron said. He wanted

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Speaker 6: other thing we're not pleased with, because there are things

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Speaker 6: And so we are not going for the okie dope.

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Speaker 6: He's better than the rest, but no more or less

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Speaker 1: All right, We got some folks already want to talk

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Speaker 1: our family just again, you're just waking up. I guess

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Speaker 1: is Charles Barron, former New York City lawmaker and mark

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Speaker 7: I guess, good morning, gentlemen. Very interesting conversation. You talked

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Speaker 7: didn't like So my course is, how did he, as

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 7: What do you know about their attitudes? And we're already

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Speaker 6: We are we're in contact with a very you would

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Speaker 6: to freedom. It certainly has its limitations, but the benefits

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Marre, welcome. All righty brother man two

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Speaker 1: is checking in from New York City's online three Grant

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Speaker 1: Rise your brother man too, only.

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Speaker 8: Baron, Yes, our grand rising Hotel Abari GANI, free the

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Speaker 8: for having this platform and definitely thankful to UH speak

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Speaker 8: with guest Councilman Charles Barron. Brother Baron getings, my brother Hope.

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Speaker 8: All well to you and your family.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Same to you, my brother.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I wanted to know what your thoughts are. Is

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Speaker 8: But what can we do to give the on house

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Speaker 4: Well, that's very good.

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Speaker 6: The question when I was in the state legislature to

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Speaker 6: would allow them to use wherever they're residing in homeless

436
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Speaker 6: shelters as an address to vote, So to some extent

437
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 6: some have been able to find addresses and vote. The

438
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Speaker 6: second thing is to get them out of homeless shelters.

439
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 6: You know, the best way to get them enfranchised is

440
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 6: to get them out of homeless shelters. We Operation Power

441
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 6: and I as my wife and I have been able

442
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Speaker 6: to get several hundred people the unhused, out of the

443
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Speaker 6: shelters and inter permanent housing because once again power, power

444
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 6: is the great equalizer, as Omali Esha tell Us says,

445
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 6: we have the power in the city council so that

446
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 6: any developer that came into our district and wanted to

447
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 6: build new housing one we made sure it was affordable

448
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 6: to the income level of the people in our neighborhood,

449
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 6: so it wasn't transified, and we had set aside for

450
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Speaker 6: the unhoused, and so you got to do ten twenty

451
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Speaker 6: for the unhoused, and we fought with the mayor to

452
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Speaker 6: get rent subsidies for those until they can find a

453
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Speaker 6: decent job to pay their rent. So in several occasions

454
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Speaker 6: we got hundreds of people out of the home the

455
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Speaker 6: shelters into a permanent apartment, and of course you have

456
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Speaker 6: a permanent apartment, you have an addressed and.

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Speaker 4: You can vote.

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Speaker 8: And just to follow up on that month, brother, is

459
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Speaker 8: it true that the government is the largest land owner.

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Speaker 4: In New York City or US told you?

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Speaker 6: Clear that up?

462
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Speaker 9: What?

463
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Speaker 5: Yes?

464
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Speaker 10: Most?

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Speaker 4: How much land as the government?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Most most of the land in New York City that's

468
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Speaker 6: available because you know, the city was trying to get

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Speaker 6: out of the housing business, so they were given a

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Speaker 6: lot of city owned land to developers. Sometimes it used

471
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Speaker 6: to be there they can get the land for a dollar,

472
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Speaker 6: and now they still get it dirt cheap. So the

473
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Speaker 6: city is turning over a lot of city owned land

474
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Speaker 6: to private developers and the only thing we can do

475
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Speaker 6: about that is to make the housing affordable because we

476
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Speaker 6: had the power for that, but we did not have

477
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Speaker 6: the power to determine if they would get the land. So, yes,

478
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 6: that the state also has a land in New York City.

479
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Speaker 6: It is government owned land as well. So this is

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Speaker 6: why once again it's important for us to be in

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Speaker 6: this legislative body where the power is the executive advance

482
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Speaker 6: as mayor, governor president is more difficult for us to

483
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Speaker 6: control and have the hold accountable but in these local

484
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Speaker 6: seats you can so yes, they've done that, and we've

485
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Speaker 6: been able to set up. Even in my East New

486
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Speaker 6: York community, we have a Community land Trust, the COLT,

487
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Speaker 6: and this is a group of people that come together

488
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Speaker 6: and say, if you can give these rich white developers

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Speaker 6: the land for a dollar, will give it to the

490
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Speaker 6: community for a dollar because we have a community land trust.

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Speaker 6: And this land trust will then own the land and

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Speaker 6: determine what are the policies of the housing developments that

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Speaker 6: can be built on our community owned land.

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Speaker 1: Thirty minutes at the top of your family just waking up.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's Charles Baron. Charles are forming a New

496
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Speaker 1: York lawmaker and he's part of a group called Power.

497
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Speaker 1: It's got a coalition that they put together of activists.

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Speaker 1: They're going to challenge some of the elections in coming

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Speaker 1: up in New York City. But let me ask you this, though, Childs,

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Speaker 1: because it seems like all across the country there's a

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Speaker 1: I guess in Ersia when it comes to voting. Our

502
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: folks are disenchanted by the voting process. They don't think

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Speaker 1: it works. As a lawmaker. As a former lawmaker, you've

504
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: worked with that process. You know how it works. What

505
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: can you tell them to make them go to the polls?

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Speaker 1: Because most many people, many of our folks, would sit

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Speaker 1: on the couch and say that voting doesn't do anything.

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Speaker 3: What say use.

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Speaker 6: Stand them saying that I said that for years, and

510
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 6: to some extent they have a point. But to a

511
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 6: greater extent, the benefits is incredible, not just voting out

512
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 6: of anywhere because people died for us to vote. People

513
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 6: are not buying that. You know, as important and legitimate

514
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 6: as that reason is, we got to get candidates in

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00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 6: the knot that are not neo colonial black puppets of

516
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 6: the Democratic Party. And thus the poverty in our community

517
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 6: remains high, the crime in our community remains high, the

518
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 6: unhoused homeless in our community remains high. No matter who's

519
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 6: in and even in the nation, whether it's a Democrat

520
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 6: or a Republican, whether it's a black president or a

521
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 6: white president, or Donald Trump or Barack Obama, those indicators

522
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 6: of a healthy community still exist. Unhealthy for us when

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Speaker 6: we have the poverty at thirty and forty percent, double

524
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 6: digit on the deployment crime through the hook, the price

525
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 6: of everything is so high that you can't even buy food,

526
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 6: you'd come out better eating your money than buying food

527
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 6: to come out cheaper. So we think the electoral arena

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00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 6: if you get the right people, and that's what we

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00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 6: did in East New York when my wife and I

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Speaker 6: beat the sellout negroes of the Democratic Party in our district,

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Speaker 6: we were able to get a violence interrupted group. This

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Speaker 6: is a group of young people, many of them came

533
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Speaker 6: out of incarceration millions of dollars to work to bring

534
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Speaker 6: down crime, and crime was brought down and they were

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Speaker 6: able to have jobs. We were able to stop gentrification

536
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 6: because we controlled what was being built in our community.

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Speaker 6: We also were able to build three new eighty eight

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00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 6: million dollar schools from the ground up. We were able

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Speaker 6: to renovate one hundred and ten million dollars worth of parks.

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Speaker 6: Now people in the best parks in the city exercising

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Speaker 6: and having recreation and sports and fun. We were able

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Speaker 6: to create thousands and thousands of jobs. We have food desert,

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Speaker 6: so we had to have food pantries.

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Speaker 11: We gave out thousands.

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Speaker 6: Of turkeys every year. We able to have food pantries

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Speaker 6: to feed our people. We had a youth center built

547
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Speaker 6: from the ground up, made the developer do that. I

548
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Speaker 6: could spend the rest of this program talking about the

549
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 6: benefits of that, and another important thing. Every council member

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00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 6: in New York City gets five million dollars the capitol

551
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 6: money for the parks and things of that nature, five

552
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 6: hundred thousand to fund programs, and four hundred and fifty

553
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Speaker 6: thousand to highest staff. We were able to hire activists

554
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 6: and radicals and revolutionaries. May she rest in peace like

555
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 6: Viola Plumber was my chief of staff of the December

556
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Speaker 6: twelfth Movement. Omawally Clay Somber twelfth Movement was my chief

557
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 6: of staff. So we were able to get jobs for

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00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 6: activists to work around the clock in our community and

559
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 6: get a pension and get healthcare and get a decent salary.

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00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 6: There's so many benefits. You don't have to just listen

561
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 6: to these sellout Negro politicians and then get disenchanted and

562
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 6: stay home. Come on out, join our coal ist build

563
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 6: ones like hours across the country and run yourself, run

564
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 6: your own people that you trust and believe in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Two twenty six away from the toffee. Yeah that's good.

567
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: Omen.

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Speaker 1: Instead instead of complaining, you know, getting the race yourself.

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Speaker 1: If you can't find anybody you've run. But I got

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Speaker 1: a tweet question for you though. Charles, just going from

571
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: one of our listens in Baltimore, says, can you ask

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00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: about New York's reparations bill and who's leading the chargers

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Speaker 1: in the state and does it have any substance?

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Speaker 6: The New York Reparations Bill was my bill when I

575
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 6: was in the State Assembly. I had that bill passed

576
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Speaker 6: in the State Assembly, and then we were fighting to

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00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 6: get it asked in the Senate because you know it's

578
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 6: a bi camera body. They passed it again in the

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Speaker 6: State Assembly after I left, and even though we had

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Speaker 6: twenty three of the about twenty three of the sixty

581
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 6: three members of the State Assembly, we only needed thirty something.

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Speaker 6: These reactionary Negro politicians like Senator James Sanders and Lero Comery,

583
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 6: they was jealous and they were not in control of

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Speaker 6: the bill, so they.

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Speaker 9: Changed my bill one line. My bill called for a

586
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Speaker 9: New York State Community Commission on Reparations Remedies, and the

587
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 9: key in there is remedies and community. I wanted a

588
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 9: commission where the community would make the appointments of the commissioner.

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Speaker 9: So we had and Cobra and we had Ron Daniels

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Speaker 9: in the Institute of the Black World, and we had

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Speaker 9: the December twelfth movement as the groups that would pick

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Speaker 9: the majority members of the Commission. When I left those cowards,

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00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 9: they changed that one line and said, no, the governor

594
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Speaker 9: will pick three governor hunk or a white woman who

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Speaker 9: knows nothing.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you right and hold up all right there, Charles,

597
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: we gotta check the news first, and when you come back,

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00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: I'll let you finish telling your story. Also, we want

599
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: to get an update on what's going on with this

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Speaker 1: the Hell Nations on the Continent.

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Speaker 3: Family.

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Speaker 1: You just join us, I guess is Charles Baron, the

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Speaker 1: former New York City lawmaker. Got a question about politics,

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Speaker 1: So international affairs reach out to us at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll

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00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: taket phone calls after the news. That's next and Grand

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Speaker 1: Rising family. Thanks are waking up with us on this

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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. We're seventeen minutes away from the top of

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Speaker 1: the Hoye with our guest, Charles Baron. Charles is a

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Speaker 1: former New York lawmaker. Before we go back to Charles, though,

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Speaker 1: let me just remind you come up later this morning,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna speak with We're gonna speak with Babba La

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Speaker 1: Mumba out of a Moja house in Washington, d C.

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00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: Babba La bumbas the Grills and they always comes up

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Speaker 1: with these thought the working topics. First discussing this morning,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna it's gonna define freedom. What is freedom means,

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Speaker 1: because you know, freedom means different things for different sexis

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00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: to the Black community. But before we hear from Barbara Lamba,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be joined by the founder and the president

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00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: of the National Black Farmers Association. Black farmers have been

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Speaker 1: under a taff for quite a while. John Boyd will

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00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 1: be here tell us what they're doing. Also, they're having

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Speaker 1: a conference coming up and later this morning. Later this week,

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Speaker 1: I should say, you're gonna hear from the University of

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Speaker 1: Marylands of Morgan State, pardon me, doctor Ray Wimbush. Also

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Speaker 1: Sister Philly will be here from the Million Women's March

627
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: as the Economists that doctor Julian mal Vow will join us.

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Speaker 1: Also Black Women for Positive Changes, doctor Stephanie Meers, and

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Speaker 1: doctor cam Bowen is gonna check in from Ghana and

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Speaker 1: he's gonna report on a film festival and a Black

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Speaker 1: Power conference is coming up in Ghana. So if you

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Speaker 1: are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radio lot

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00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: team tied on ten ten WLB, or if you're in

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Speaker 1: the DMV, run at the fourteen fifteen WL. All right, Charles,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you finish your thought. Then Tyrone in

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Speaker 1: Baltimore has a question for you.

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Speaker 6: Yes. So we got the bill passed several years ago,

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00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 6: and when I left the State Assembly, they decided to

639
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 6: change my bill one sentence instead of having the community

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00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 6: organizations that I mentioned in Cobra, the December twelfth Movement

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Speaker 6: and Ron Daniels select the majority members of the commission

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Speaker 6: And reason why I did that because you know, we

643
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 6: have to have the power on the front end of

644
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 6: selecting the commissioners because on the back end it has

645
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 6: to go back to the state Legislature for final approval

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00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 6: and for the governor to sign anyway, so they still

647
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 6: have the power. But they're so greedy that they got

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00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 6: the sellout Negroes to change one line of my bill

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Speaker 6: and call it another bill. And that one line was

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00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 6: not the community appointing the commissioners, but the governor, Governor

651
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Speaker 6: Hulkell was a white woman was clueless about reparation.

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Speaker 4: She gets three votes.

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Speaker 6: And then the head of the State Assembly, the black man,

654
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Speaker 6: Carl Hasty, he has no history in the reparations movement

655
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 6: like the groups that I mentioned who have forty year histories.

656
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 6: And then Andrea Stuart Cousins, a black woman, head of

657
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 6: the Senate. So they changed the bill, gave those appointings

658
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 6: to them, and they put together a commission. And I said,

659
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 6: we ain't studying nothing. We are determining what the pay

660
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 6: is going to be, what the consequences for our enslavement

661
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 6: and Jim Crowism is going to be in terms of

662
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 6: real concrete things. So now they put together that they

663
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 6: were supposed to be out for a year, so they

664
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 6: spent twenty twenty five twenty twenty four out and they

665
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 6: were supposed to come up with a remedy of how

666
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 6: we should get it, who should get paid, how much

667
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 6: and all that. So here they come, because they're election

668
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 6: is next year twenty twenty six. They decided they're not

669
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 6: gonna give us anything. They need more time. This is

670
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 6: why they want the politicians selecting the commission. They need

671
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 6: more time. So not next year twenty twenty six, when

672
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 6: they're running because they didn't want to say that, you know,

673
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 6: we didn't pass this or didn't do this. They ain't

674
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 6: gonna do nothing until twenty twenty seven. There's only two

675
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 6: people on that commission that I have any respect for

676
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 6: and I have worked with, and that's Lorry Flavors. Favors,

677
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 6: she's a lawyer and I respect her. And Ron Daniels.

678
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 6: They put him on because he was in my bill.

679
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 6: But other than that, I don't know who these other

680
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 6: folks are. They have no history with us. So that's

681
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 6: what's happening with the reparations Bill. In fact, nothing at

682
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 6: this point.

683
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: All right, thirteen away from the Tom Faers I mentioned,

684
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: Tyrone is reaching out to us. He's in Baltimore. He's

685
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: online too, Grant Rising, Tyrone, you're with Charles Barron.

686
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 5: Rising grand rousing.

687
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 4: Uh, missus Baroning Ran Rising call. I'm just sitting.

688
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 5: Here and I'm just it's a breather fresh air to

689
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 5: see a black man that has a courage to stand

690
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 5: up to the white power structure.

691
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 10: In New York.

692
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 5: And we we actually passed, We actually got a course

693
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 5: together in Baltimore. And the website is both another form

694
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 5: dot org where we got a resolution pass unanimously by

695
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 5: the city council to sell houses for a dollar to

696
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 5: the individual citizen and give about one percent interest loans

697
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 5: to restore the houses blocks at a side. Because and

698
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 5: as you said, they passed the bill, but to sell

699
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 5: out and negroes went ahead. They started they had they

700
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 5: start all kinds of dollars programs as that. They started

701
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 5: one where you had to get your own loan and

702
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 5: you had had said whatever no rate was, and they

703
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 5: you had to pay ninety thousand dollars up front or

704
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 5: see if you get ninety dollars loan. All kinds of

705
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 5: stupid stuff. And we they had us meet with the

706
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 5: housing commissioner who was white and black cities over and

707
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 5: over and over. It sawd us until people forgot all

708
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 5: about it because we were having meets with people. Some

709
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 5: of those means with forty and fifty people. We had

710
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 5: one round it that had two hundred people. And that's

711
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 5: why we were able to get the people together to

712
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 5: get this say, we packed the hall that night and

713
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 5: we would get the same past. And it included jobs

714
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 5: and jobs trained for our people. It included contracting opportunities

715
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 5: for black contractors will normally shut out of it, and

716
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 5: we're still trying to push it. You know it. It

717
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 5: was Bess seventeen ore and thirty seven are at passing

718
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 5: uh in twenty seventeen, and now we're trying to see

719
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 5: what we get ready from the governor. But we had

720
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 5: all these gatekeepers, the stoppers from reaching the governor. So

721
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 5: I'm just asking people go to Baltimore a number, Florida

722
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 5: dot org and look at this thing and it makes

723
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 5: us to you and I know we'll have the governor

724
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 5: meet with us because we were trying. We met with

725
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 5: the Safe Department of Housing Community Development as far as

726
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 5: we got, but the governor has gatekeepers that won't don't

727
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 5: want to do anything with black people, and we know it.

728
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 5: And the same with the mayor. They don't want they

729
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 5: don't want this thing to get to the mayor or

730
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 5: to the government. So we've been invented at that level. Now.

731
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 5: We did meet with Katherine Pugh and she actually gave

732
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 5: us a pilot, but she was out of office a

733
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 5: month later. I don't know if anything to do with it,

734
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 5: but they actually brought up on something some charge with

735
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 5: something that happened like when she was in the Senate,

736
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 5: you know, like ten years ago, and they threw out

737
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 5: of office. But I'm not saying she wasn't wrong or anything,

738
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 5: and I'm not saying that we had anything to do

739
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 5: with that. But suspiciously as she gave us a pilot,

740
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 5: they threw her out of office and then the College

741
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 5: Comisions scrapped the pilot. So that's what I'm saying.

742
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 4: These people are.

743
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 5: Working to get the entwers the black people, and they're

744
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 5: telling these houses to do doll perses oliguards at whole

745
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 5: block of the time, yep, and every day.

746
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: Right Rightyron, in the interest of time, let me put

747
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: the question to challenge what you talked about. So, Charles,

748
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: what does Tyrone do about these these blockers who gave

749
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: blockers who were blocking for the governor and the mayor?

750
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: How did they get around those folks?

751
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 6: Well, thanks time, we get around it. We always do

752
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 6: a power analysis to find out who has the power

753
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 6: to make the decision and our best interest. That's number one.

754
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 6: Number two, Sometimes it has to be a long range

755
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 6: solution and not immediate, and that is you got to

756
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 6: take them out of office. You know, I know in

757
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 6: in Maryland there's the People's Ujima Progressed Progress People's Progress

758
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 6: Party with Nambi La mumber in them. They organized and

759
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 6: you might want to come to our conference in Philadelphia

760
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 6: this weekend at Temple University. I'll be glad to sit

761
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 6: down with you and talk some or you can, you know,

762
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 6: go to our website that address it it's the twenty

763
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 6: fourth and twenty fifth and it's at Temple University. You

764
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 6: can go on n B National Black Rascal r Political

765
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 6: Congress nb RPC dot org and all of the information

766
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 6: there and I'll be glad to sit with you, or

767
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 6: you can get out my number, cal and you know,

768
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 6: we can definitely call, but h else I don't want.

769
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, reach out to me Tyrone and I'll

770
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: get you stumboy, all right. Nine away from the top.

771
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: Cliff is now calling from Connecticut. Is on line three,

772
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: Grand Rising. Cliff, you're you're on with Charles Barron.

773
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 12: Hey, Grand Rising for the Carl, Thanks for taking my call. Hey,

774
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 12: brother Baron, thank you so much for my call as well. Listen,

775
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 12: I guess you were right. So we got off the

776
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 12: hook because Eric Adams dropped out, so we got no

777
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 12: other choice. But in reference to the reparations, I want

778
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 12: to join and take part in to that and try

779
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 12: to team up with you in Connecticut because.

780
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 13: Unfortunately, our the only black groups that we have is

781
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 13: the na A c P. You know, Nigro's always asking

782
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 13: for permission, but be inn the Black Clerk, your association.

783
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 13: But none of them even thinking about reparations. So I

784
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 13: can contact you in terms of teaming up with you

785
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 13: and trying to establish some type of group in Connecticut.

786
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can call me. You can take my my

787
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 6: email number, Charles Baron C H A R L E

788
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 6: S B A R R O n OP as an

789
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 6: Operation Power OP at gmail dot com. That's Charles Barron

790
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 6: OP at gmail dot com.

791
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 11: Okay, great, look forward to it. Thank you, brother, thank

792
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 11: you for keeping keeping it real. I appreciate you, sir. Hey, Well,

793
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 11: one more thing, what are your thoughts on the Million

794
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 11: Man March. Did you you like the festivities and were

795
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 11: you in favor of it?

796
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 6: I was there for the first march on in nineteen

797
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 6: ninety five. I was there for the twentieth anniversary in

798
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 6: twenty fifteen. It was unbelievably phenomenal. You know, people have

799
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 6: their little criticisms, but anytime you can bring one point

800
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 6: eight almost two million of us the first time, another

801
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 6: million twenty years later, and have these brothers and sisters

802
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 6: were at the march as well, come back and get

803
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 6: involved in their community, try to adopt children, get involved

804
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 6: in the struggle to change the system. I mean, it

805
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 6: was one of the best things that ever happened in

806
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 6: our community. And then Fara Khon and rightly went to

807
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 6: Africa after that. Criticized for that, but he went to

808
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 6: Africa to put us in touch with African leaders and

809
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 6: presidents opened up their countries to him and our movements.

810
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 4: It was great.

811
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 6: I celebrated every year. I commend them every year. And yes,

812
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 6: people have their criticisms. None of us are perfect. Everybody

813
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 6: has some contradictions, but the bottom line is that there's

814
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 6: never been a greater gathering of humanity in the history

815
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 6: of this country, probably the world.

816
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 11: I agree. Thank you so much for your comments, Breth

817
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 11: they god much. Thank you, Carl.

818
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: Thanks Cliff Uh you mentioned Africa. What's the very latest

819
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: going on with the sale nations, because you know we're

820
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: not getting any news and that kind of concerns. You

821
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: produce these news channels and we don't hear see anything

822
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: even in the newspapers. It seems like there's a white out,

823
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: if you will, on information coming from the continent. What's

824
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: going on with the Sale nations show.

825
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 6: That's because of the Hell Nations are moving ahead rapidly

826
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 6: and becoming more and more independent and getting rid of

827
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 6: the yoke of colonialism and imperialism and capitalism. For those

828
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 6: just a quick reminder, this a hell revolution started with

829
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 6: Simeon Gota as Simeon Gota on May twentieth and he

830
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 6: was involved in a popular people's youthful coup to get

831
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 6: out the neo colonial government, Black government that France put up.

832
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 6: That in twenty twenty one, and then after that Beking

833
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 6: of Fossil followed in September January September twenty twenty two.

834
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 6: They did the same thing, and then Niejea was next

835
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty three, and then they all left Eco Wants,

836
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 6: the Economic Community of West African States, those are puppet

837
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 6: governments set up by France and America, Franco Africa and

838
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 6: all of that stuff. They left them and they established

839
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 6: the government called the sa Health States, the Alliance of

840
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 6: Sahel States, and they've come together to say several things.

841
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 6: This is their achievements and it's still growing. Called one

842
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 6: they kicked out Africam. AFRICAM was the military bases that

843
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 6: were set up by the United States to exploit Africa

844
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 6: and the name of stopping terrorism. As a matter of fact,

845
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 6: France and the United States promoted terrorism, so they can

846
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 6: say they need the military bases and here to stop

847
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 6: what they do.

848
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: Right now, hold up through right there, Charles, we got

849
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: to check the traffic whatever. I'll let you finish telling

850
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: us what this Heal Nations are doing. I'm thank you

851
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: for giving us the background too, because many people don't

852
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: know the background. They know they hear about the Heal Nations,

853
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: but they don't know the formation and how it all started.

854
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 1: So I thank you for doing that. Four minutes away

855
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: from the top of the our families, I mentioned, we

856
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 1: got to check the traffic and weather in our different cities.

857
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: And you got a question for Charles barn reach out

858
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

859
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we'll taket calls after traffic and weather.

860
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: That's next and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up

861
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: with us on this Tuesday morning. I guess there's Charles Baron.

862
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 1: Charles a former New York lawmaker, and Charles is getting

863
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: us an update on what's going on this hell nations

864
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: on the continent. So Charles, I'll let you finish giving

865
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: us the rundown with the changes of these nations in

866
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: this year. But Quino Faso and Mally.

867
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 6: Have made it's been tremendous.

868
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 4: You know.

869
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 6: We call it a date. They call it now the

870
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 6: Alliance of the Health Dates. And that's led by Molly

871
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 6: Pakuina Faso and nied Deer and their leaders are same

872
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 6: and Goitter and Molly and Captain Ibraham Treori, the most

873
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 6: popular one in the Kino Faso. Matter of fact, you

874
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 6: call him the second coming of Thomas Sankara, who was

875
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 6: the great leader who in nineteen eighty three liberated the

876
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 6: Fasso was assassinated by his own friend four years later.

877
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 6: So he is following in his first steps. And Titiani

878
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 6: Titiani from Nijeer is all. They're doing the same thing.

879
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 6: All of them said, France, get the hell out of Africa.

880
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 6: Take America with you, take those military bases of America

881
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 6: with you, and by the way, on your way out,

882
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 6: leave the goal behind, because that's ours. Leave the cobot behind.

883
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 6: That's ours, the diamonds, that's our natural resources. And they

884
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 6: also bringing down the terrorism that France and America created

885
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 6: so that they can justify being in the country, ripping

886
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 6: off the country's natural resources. They kicked now Canadian companies

887
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 6: that were taking the you know in Niezeer, they have

888
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 6: so much uranium it lights up a third of Europe,

889
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 6: while Africa's in the dark. Can't even use us own

890
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 6: uranium for itself. So they were able to kick out

891
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 6: some of an African the American basis that by the way,

892
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 6: Barack Obama built more African bases than any other president

893
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 6: in the history of America. A black man just thought,

894
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 6: I'll let you know that. And they have a Confederable bank.

895
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 6: They're saying irs, not irs, I am f the International

896
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 6: Monetary Fund, We're not dealing with you anymore. Your American control,

897
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 6: Europe control, the World Bank. We ain't taking no loan

898
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 6: from you anymore. The World Trade Organization, We're not trading

899
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 6: with you anymore. We're trading amongst ourselves. We're going to

900
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 6: use our own currency. We're getting rid of the CFA

901
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 6: to frank from France, getting.

902
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 4: Rid of that.

903
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 6: So twenty other nations are following that, and they they're

904
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 6: getting more and more nations joining them and wanting to

905
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 6: be a part of the Alliance of thell not twenty

906
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 6: that's for bricks, but at least several nations are joining

907
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 6: the Alliance for the Health State of the health state.

908
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 6: They also reclaiming their nationalization of the major goals from

909
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 6: predatory Western mining companies like the Barack Goals in Canada,

910
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 6: kicking them out. Niger had nationalized their uranium sector and

911
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 6: agriculture alliance begun and advanced food sovereignty and reduced the

912
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 6: you know, the health concerns that they have. So they

913
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 6: also have their GDP. Their gross domestic product has risen

914
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 6: in Bikino Fasil three point five to five percent. That's

915
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 6: a lot. And they also in Bikino Fassio, they had

916
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 6: a four point seven billion dollar national debt. It is eliminated.

917
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 6: Not too many presidents in any country in the world

918
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 6: could say they eliminated their national debt. Just so that

919
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 6: you know, America's national debt is about thirty six trillion

920
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 6: and rising. So they've been able to achieve that. But

921
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,959
Speaker 6: most importantly, they've given hope to the youth to now

922
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 6: be able to say they have a government that they

923
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 6: could support.

924
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: All right, good, thank you, Charles. We've got to let

925
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: you go. Got John Boyd on deck. Before we get

926
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: to John, though, How can folks reach you? They want

927
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: more of this conferences this weekend at Temple University in Philly.

928
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: How can they reach you?

929
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 6: Well, you can go to nbr PC, the National Black

930
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 6: Radical Political Convention NBRPC dot org and you can get

931
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 6: all the information. It is this weekend at Temple University,

932
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 6: the twenty fifth and the twenty sixth. We're going to

933
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 6: have a PAM Africa.

934
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 4: Is going to be there.

935
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 6: My wife and I will be doing how to Beat

936
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 6: the Machine. As a matter of fact, you can also

937
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 6: get our book. I wrote a book called Speaking Truth

938
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 6: to Power. You can get in on Bonds and Noble

939
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 6: print on the Man, and there's an article in there

940
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 6: on how to Beat the Machine. And there's an article

941
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 6: in there on reparations and so much more that you

942
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 6: would really appreciate. And if you want to contact me,

943
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 6: you can contact me at Charles Baron C H A

944
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 6: R L E S B A R R O n

945
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 6: op as an Operation Power at gmail dot com.

946
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Charles, and thank you for standing

947
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: up for us in New York City. Thank you for

948
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: and sharing your thoughts with us this morning.

949
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 4: Thank you, Carl.

950
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 6: I appreciate you so much. Man, keep up to good work.

951
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 3: All right.

952
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: Family six after top of Grand Rising to John Boyd. John,

953
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: welcome back to the program.

954
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 4: Paul, thank you for having me and so good to

955
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 4: be back with here.

956
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

957
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: John, by the way, family is the founder and the

958
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: president of the National Black Farmers Association. You know, John,

959
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: the last time we talked, you guys were having some

960
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: problems with the administration about money. Has anything changed on

961
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: that on the legal fight front? Is anything change since

962
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: our last conversation.

963
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you the Trump administration came right in,

964
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 4: called and done away with everything that had to do

965
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 4: anything with you know, black people in this country, and

966
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 4: they cut out all the programs that was helping black farmers.

967
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 4: And it's went from bad to worse with this president.

968
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 4: And we're having our annual conference coming up October thirty

969
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 4: first and November first and Birmingham, Alabama, And it's free

970
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 4: to attend, so for the listeners out there to come

971
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 4: out and get the correct information. Attorney Ben Krump will

972
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 4: be join us, joining us that Friday morning, and just

973
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 4: so much as is going on every day, called this

974
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 4: President comes out and says something to hurt not only

975
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 4: black farmers, but farmers in this country. The only thing

976
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 4: that this president has said that I believe he.

977
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 14: Kept his word on, was he was going to treat

978
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 14: off the same.

979
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 4: So right now in the country, call this president is

980
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 4: treating Mike farmers the same way treat black farmers. He's

981
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 4: giving away forty billion dollars would it be forty billion

982
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 4: dollars to Argentina, of all places, to help Argentina farmers.

983
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 4: And just last week the President said that he was

984
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 4: going to be helping Argentina cattle farmers. So here we

985
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 4: are going out of business in America, and this president

986
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 4: is giving a total of forty billion, a complete bailout

987
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 4: to a country and hasn't done nothing for the constituents

988
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 4: right here at home. And every time he does that,

989
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 4: he's hurting. He's hurting the farmers, the farmers. The farm

990
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 4: suicides are up, farm bankruptcies are up, farm foreclosures are

991
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 4: up in this country, and this president is totaling out

992
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 4: forty billion dollars and he says he's putting America's first,

993
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 4: He loves farmers, all of these things called I'm gonna

994
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 4: stop right there and take some questions from you.

995
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and we're going to talk about the conference. Well,

996
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,479
Speaker 1: you know what, John, you know what I thought about

997
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: when he had these white farmers from South Africa came in.

998
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 3: I thought about you your group.

999
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 4: I want to talk.

1000
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: How did you feel when you saw that John.

1001
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 4: Man that came out swinging just as hard as I

1002
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 4: could call.

1003
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 11: He goes, listen, this president.

1004
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 4: Wants to bring white farmers in. And they try to

1005
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 4: confuse it when they said africanas and all these other terms.

1006
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 4: They are white farmers. W h I te he wants

1007
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 4: to bring them in from South Africa, fast path to citizenship, money,

1008
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 4: He wants to give him money and provide a homestead

1009
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 4: and laying at a federal inventory. They came from black people.

1010
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 4: So here he is throwing everybody that has a darker

1011
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 4: skin tone in this country and name of them immigrants,

1012
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 4: throwing them out this country, hurting them up black with

1013
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 4: ice and all this stuff. And they're going to bring

1014
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 4: in white farmers based solely on race. So here you

1015
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 4: have this administration. I just told you cut out all

1016
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 4: these programs for anything they had to do, it begins

1017
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 4: with the word black that came in and done away

1018
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 4: with it. But they're going to bring white farmers in.

1019
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 4: And they said, well, it's not what the president doing

1020
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 4: is has had nothing to do with race. It has

1021
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 4: everything to do with race. And Steven Miller is at

1022
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 4: the core of all of this definition and he's given

1023
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 4: the president terminology and they throw it out, and they

1024
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 4: throw it out at these press conferences called or well,

1025
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 4: maybe we'll just bring some farmers in from South Africa

1026
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 4: and they chest the waters and then they'll come back

1027
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 4: and try to execute it with very little pushback in

1028
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 4: this country, very little pushback. And here, you know, I've

1029
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 4: been on your show a number of times talking about

1030
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 4: the land in inventory, the five billion dollars in them,

1031
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 4: and the land out let me drive trying to get

1032
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 4: for poor decades. This president wants to give that land

1033
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 4: GiB to white farmers from South Africa. How offensive is

1034
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 4: that and how race base is that? Something that this

1035
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 4: president said, oh, we're not going to have anything race based,

1036
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 4: But they bringing them white farmers solely on a definition

1037
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 4: of race white and giving the land that came from

1038
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 4: black people and it just h it makes me, It

1039
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 4: makes me pissed off to new extent.

1040
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: It should beg all of us and feel that way, John,

1041
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: because when I started that, I thought about it. I

1042
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: thought about you, says, all the struggles that you've been

1043
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: going through without black farmers losing our land, and here

1044
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: comes some white farmers Africanas whatever they want to call them,

1045
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: from South Africa, not even the black South African farmers,

1046
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 1: white South African farmers, and they're getting money and they're

1047
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: getting land. There was it was airmarked for you guys.

1048
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: I mean, if that doesn't get you upset, I don't

1049
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: know what will.

1050
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 15: Let's take it back or step further, providing them with

1051
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 15: a homestead, things that they had never done for black

1052
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 15: people in this country since we came here on the

1053
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 15: slave ships.

1054
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 4: Man, we never got any homestead. Our people fought from land,

1055
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 4: and we were only able to get land after the

1056
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 4: Civil War when they couldn't work you for free. That's

1057
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 4: how black people were able to buy land from white

1058
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 4: white slave owners and plantation owners were able to buy

1059
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 4: that land, and we paid for it three or four

1060
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 4: times fold. Like my grandfather explained, it cheated us and

1061
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 4: all of these things. After they found out they wanted

1062
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 4: the land back. They used the government in the chapter

1063
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 4: I've been talking about for three or four decades through

1064
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 4: a program called Least Back by back to to steal

1065
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 4: land legally from black people in this country and put

1066
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 4: it in inventory. And now this president, this president wants

1067
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 4: to take it out of inventory and give it to

1068
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 4: white farmers. And then they said, oh, we don't want

1069
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 4: we want to do away with race, We don't want

1070
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 4: any programs to help black people over. You want to

1071
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 4: bring white farmers in from South Africa, and you want

1072
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 4: to give them land and graves and land. You know,

1073
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 4: Native Americans are listening. You're to be pissed off too.

1074
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 4: He wants to give them grazing lands from the Department

1075
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 4: of Interior. Yes, that's what he wants to do. You

1076
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 4: want to take from Indians who what they already been dogged,

1077
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 4: and now he wants to take from black people, you know,

1078
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 4: and they wanted to continue to put their foot on

1079
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 4: that neck. And they don't want us to say anything

1080
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 4: about it. Any leader. If you see called on the

1081
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 4: news that stands up to this president, he uses his

1082
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 4: bully pit to try to suppress them, and uh, you know,

1083
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 4: putting a hat on the leader and stuff like this,

1084
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 4: you know, and making them dance, all this stuff and

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00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 4: ridicule them. Anyone who stands up our shop and he

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00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 4: puts the old picture of them out of there, all

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00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 4: of these things. Anybody who stands up or says anything

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00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 4: about him. He's a dictator. This president's a dictator.

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00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: Fourteen after top there, I finally just checked in. Our

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01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: guest is John Boyd. John is the founder of the

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01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: president of the National Black Farmers Association. They're having their

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01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: thirty fifth and a conference coming up. We're going to

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01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: tell you about the conference where We've got some folks

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01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: already want to speak with John, and also got some

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01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: tweet questions for John. So let's take the call. First,

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01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: Let's go to Buffalo, New York. Ross Jilmos waiting for us.

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01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: He's online. One grand rising, Ross, Joe Moo. You on

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01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: with John Boyd.

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Speaker 16: There's a blessing to the family, brother John. Briefly at

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01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,439
Speaker 16: National Action Network heard you speak. We had a little

1101
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 16: talk afterwards. You were talking about and you, I would say,

1102
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 16: pretty much prophesized that what was going to take places,

1103
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 16: as Donald Trump would would make these realities take place

1104
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 16: for farmers in America that there would be an opportunity

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01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 16: for black people what you just explained earlier, and there

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01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 16: were no lawyers and there were no people to fight

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01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 16: in law to protect black people with the amount of lawyers.

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01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 16: With Ben Crump, can you please talk about her? Can

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01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 16: you make any recommendations what we can do to pull

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01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 16: money together and take at vantage of the downfall as

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01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 16: a black collective, you maybe, and to that.

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Speaker 4: Yes I can, and thank you for that to take

1113
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 4: me off and take me back to what I should

1114
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 4: be talking to.

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Speaker 14: And that's what happened right right now.

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01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you what John hold that though right

1117
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: there because we come up on a break and I

1118
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: want to break your rhythm there because it's a great

1119
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: question from brother Ross Jellman up in Buffalo. And also

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01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: want to talk about the conference as well and how

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01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: folks can help because your problem is our problem. This

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01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: is what it is. It's our problem all out of

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01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: the black community problem. So we have to come together

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01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: to help you and we just try to figure out

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01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: how we can do it. And I want you to

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01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: explain that as well, and explain what's going to take

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Speaker 1: place at the conference.

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Speaker 3: Family.

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Speaker 1: You want to join this conversation with our guest. He's

1130
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: the founder the president of the National Black Farmers Association.

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01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: His name is John Boyd. It's been on here before

1132
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: and it was telling us about the windy dwindland land

1133
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: that we have. We used to control in the black community.

1134
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: Now it's and he'll probably tell us how many eight

1135
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: because we have now you know, it's just been vanishing

1136
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: a lot of folks because of bankruptcy, or because of

1137
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: the business sector, or because of the younger folks don't

1138
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: want to farm the land. We're losing our farm's family.

1139
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: This is where John Boyd comes in. He's trying to

1140
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: protect us and trying to grow that area. If you

1141
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: want to have a question for him, reach out to

1142
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

1143
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: to seventy six and one ticket phone calls next and

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this

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01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. I guess there's the founder and the president

1146
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: of the National Black Farmers Association. Him is John Boyd.

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01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: They're having their conference, the thirty fifth annual conference coming up,

1148
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of issues facing our Black farmers

1149
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: and they need our help. But John, I'll let you

1150
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: respond to Brother Ross Jone was question out of Buffalo, Yes,

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01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: and it.

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01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 4: Was a great question, and he was asking about my

1153
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 4: comments at Rebend Shopton conference. And what I was explaining

1154
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 4: was there's going to be a lot of farmers going

1155
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 4: out of business this season because of the high input

1156
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 4: costs of the farmers face, such as theezer for you

1157
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 4: lime and seed and fertilizer, and a very very low

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01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 4: come on of the prices. That is at the core

1159
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 4: the President's comments on these tariffs and all of this stuff.

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01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 4: There's going to be some opportunities for land that's going

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01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 4: to be coming up for sale that I'm encouraging Black

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01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 4: Americans to buy. So they stole land from us, So

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01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 4: I'm saying, as they're losing land, that we have to

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01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 4: organize and pull money together so that we can start

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01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 4: to buy some of this land when it comes up

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01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 4: for auction and for sale. So at everything that's sometimes

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01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 4: at a bad opportunity can also bring out some opportunities

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01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 4: for Black America too, is what I'm saying. So I

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01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 4: wanted to encourage that we having the whole session about

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01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 4: they call it upcoming conference tuber thirty first and the

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01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 4: women first in Birmingham, Alabama. And he also asked me

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01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 4: about the issue of attorneys. We need more attorneys that

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01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 4: could assist our organization. I've been trying to file an

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01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 4: injunction to block white farmers from coming in to the

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01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 4: country solely based on race. I'm saying that it's anti

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01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 4: you know what that they're doing to us. So one aspect,

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Speaker 4: I want to challenge the quote unquote definition of the

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Speaker 4: EI solely based on race, and I want to challenge

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01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 4: that in federal court of how can you bring in

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01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 4: white farmers solely based on race? And I've been looking

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01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 4: for a firm to do that, and I haven't been

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01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 4: successful in securing that firm yet. So we need more attorneys.

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01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 4: And you know, hats off to Ben Crump was everywhere

1184
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 4: trying to do everything for our people. So he's out

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01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 4: there trying to help. But there's other firms that need

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01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 4: to get involved and come in and represent some of

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01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 4: these farmers that need legal representation around the country. And

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01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 4: what we really need is an organization that could represent

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01:04:54,600 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 4: these farmers and their businesses in each state. Steven Miller

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01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 4: in that bunch block to five B and that relief

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01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 4: in federal court, and they did it by states such

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01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 4: as Texas and Flood and Michigan, all these states, and

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01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 4: I had to hire law firms call in each one

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01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 4: of those states to represent us. And that's what took

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01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 4: us out of the game. And we spent a lot

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01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 4: of money hiring those firms in each state. We need

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Speaker 4: our own core of our attorneys around the country that

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Speaker 4: when these things come up like this, we have our

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Speaker 4: own network of attorneys to represent us.

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Speaker 1: All right, the call has been made in twenty three

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01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: out the top hour. That's John Boyd, founder President of

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01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: the National Black Farmers Association. We've got a lot of

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01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: brilliant attorneys, legal minds out there, and you want to

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01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: do something, you know, but part of the promise, John,

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01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: they're working for the other side. They're not working for us.

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01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: So those of you out there who are conscious black lawyers,

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01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: litigators that want to help the National Black Farmers because

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01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: you're helping us. So now John's going to give you

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01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: all the information and can attend the conference and all

1210
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: that good stuff. But John, what are some of the

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01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: unique challenges of facing black farmers today?

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Speaker 10: Right now?

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01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 4: It's number one is access to credit. The farmers are

1214
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 4: coming in calling us asking for emergency loans and assistants

1215
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 4: that we aren't financially strong enough to provide. And that's

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01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 4: what takes us out of the game called because farming

1217
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 4: is time sensitive. When it's time to harvest, my combines

1218
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 4: have to hit the field, and when it's time to plant,

1219
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 4: my planner has to be conditioned enough to hit the field.

1220
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 4: And I need all of the things that I talked about, lying,

1221
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 4: fertilizer and the good seed to get out there. So

1222
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 4: we need financial support. There's foundations that since this president

1223
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 4: has came into office have turned the blind eye to

1224
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 4: black farmers and other social causes in this country because

1225
01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 4: they're afraid of this president. They've taken away and opportunities

1226
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 4: at the federal government. And name this d. You know,

1227
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 4: God never gave anybody any any authority to to name

1228
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 4: me something. My name is John Boyd. Your name is

1229
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 4: called Nelson then, and we're a black man. You can

1230
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 4: say that, but you can't just change our name every

1231
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 4: ten years and then say when something like this comes up,

1232
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 4: this is your name, and this is how it's going

1233
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 4: to take you, take you out of the game. And

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01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 4: that's what this that's what this president has done by

1235
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 4: naming us d I and scaring the be scaring these companies,

1236
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 4: these fortune five hundred companies from importing us too. So

1237
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 4: my call to day on your show is, as the

1238
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 4: government doesn't want us and corporate America has turned its

1239
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 4: back on us, we have to support one another and

1240
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 4: we have to come together in this country. If we

1241
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 4: can't come together right now, call in this country as

1242
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 4: bad as this president is treating Black America, then there's

1243
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 4: then there's something wrong with us, is my is my

1244
01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 4: message today. Let's come together and let's fight back. And

1245
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 4: the way to do that is to fight collectively. They

1246
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 4: isolated us by definition black, and we need to come

1247
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 4: together like we were in the sixties and things of

1248
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 4: that nature, and band together and pull our moneys together

1249
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 4: and so we can advance to betterment of our people.

1250
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 1: Well, John, let me jump in and ask you this.

1251
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: At twenty six out of top of he thought about

1252
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 1: joining up with some of our brothers and sisters on

1253
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: the continent. If America won't play with us, then we

1254
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: can get they, you know they we can play with

1255
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 1: them over there. Is there any talk about the black

1256
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: farmers on the continent.

1257
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 4: I'm working on that and I'm working on a trade

1258
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 4: mission and a trade deal with countries in Africa through

1259
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 4: a memorandum of understanding. And I don't want to let

1260
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 4: the cat all the way at the back, but that's

1261
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 4: something I think is going to be a big initiative

1262
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 4: for us where it could take us around some of

1263
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 4: the issues that this president Steven Miller in that bunch

1264
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 4: trying to take us out. I want to turn to

1265
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 4: our brothers and sisters and the motherland and partner with

1266
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 4: them and ship out goods such as soybeans right now

1267
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 4: called in even in Virginia where I am the buying stations,

1268
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 4: these are the stations where palmers take their truckloads of soybeans, too,

1269
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 4: are already full, and they are full because countries like

1270
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 4: China and others hasn't placed any orders to purchase American

1271
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 4: soybeans in this country. So it's an opportune time to

1272
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 4: get some grain to our brothers and sisters in the

1273
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 4: motherlands and countries in Africa.

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01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 1: And now the Chinese haven't placed in the orders. Is

1275
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:43,839
Speaker 1: that because of the tariffs.

1276
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 4: It's because of the terriffts. Yes, the President's tarriffs. Every

1277
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 4: time he opens his mouth and says the word tariff,

1278
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 4: the price drops, and what I've been noticing called on

1279
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 4: a lot of these articles and interviews that I'm doing

1280
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 4: around the country. Many Americans, white and black, don't understand

1281
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 4: that farmers.

1282
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 14: Are price taker as we not price giver us. We

1283
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 14: sell these crops based on the market. So it's not

1284
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 14: like people say, why don't you just raise your prices.

1285
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:18,799
Speaker 4: Boy, corn wheat and soy beans. These are the crops

1286
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 4: that pay farmers bills, not the truck farming you know,

1287
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 4: selling some tomatoes three four dollars. My hat's off to

1288
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 4: that brother, but paying real bills and mortgages and tractor notes.

1289
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 4: The commodities that do it are corn, wheat and soy

1290
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 4: beans and beef cattle, all things that black farmers raise

1291
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 4: and abundance in this country and me can do it.

1292
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 4: They're controlled by the market. And every time this president

1293
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:51,879
Speaker 4: says the word tariff, tariffs against China, tariffs against Mexico, Mexico,

1294
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 4: Mexico is the number one purchase of US crown corn.

1295
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 4: China is the number one purchase of US chron soy beans.

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Speaker 4: And Canada, who is imposing tariffs on our friends in Canada?

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Speaker 4: They have all of the ingredients for fertilizers that we

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Speaker 4: use here in the country. So he's came in within

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Speaker 4: nine ten months and totally turn agriculture upside down, you know,

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Speaker 4: face down in this country. And that's why you see

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Speaker 4: the prices are so low and our input costs is

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01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 4: so high for all the things that it takes to

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01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 4: make the crap. That's a recipe for disaster. And like

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Speaker 4: I said, for every disaster, there's on the flip side

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01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,560
Speaker 4: of that corn, it's some opportunity. And I want to

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01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 4: use this bad time for farmers and try to turn

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Speaker 4: it into a positive time for black for black farmers.

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Speaker 1: There you go, thirty minutes at the top of the

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Speaker 1: our family, I guess there's the founder and president of

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Speaker 1: the National Black Farmers Association. They're having their thirty fifth

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01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: conference coming up, and we're going to tell you all

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01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: about the commerce is so important to tweet questions for

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01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: John Boyd and this one, let me just read this

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01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: one for a bait, and he says, thanks for having

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01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 1: this guest on the show. I decided to support a

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01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: black farmer who drives three hours to Stafford, Virginia from

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Speaker 1: Rocky Mountain, North Carolina. Ask him if he's familiar with

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01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: the watermelon man.

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01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 4: I am, I am, and he's been out there working

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01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 4: at the USCA Farmer's Market and they bring us watermelors

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01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 4: out there. And those are the kinds of people called

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01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 4: we have to lift up in this country. When you

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01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 4: know that brother's out there, go buy out there, support them,

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01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 4: and for those of us that can afford it, tip

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01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 4: their brother, tip them. These are the things that's going

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01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,839
Speaker 4: to help us survive through these very very difficult times

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01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 4: in this country for our people.

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Speaker 1: All right, And another tweet question for you, John the

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01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: tweeter says, tell our listeners the high cost we will

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01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: be paying to eat food from other countries. How can

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01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: our listeners help you today? Can we order your product directly?

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01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: Can we donate to your cause?

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01:12:58,640 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 17: Yes?

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Speaker 4: They can go to Blackfarmers dot org. Everything is there.

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01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 4: The important conference that you're talking about, This is where

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01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 4: people need to be so they can get all of

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01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 4: this information. We have a two day event is free

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01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 4: to a tend. It's free to attend. There's no cover charge.

1339
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 4: You gonna have to pay to get in and attend

1340
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 4: these very important breakout sessions. So the conference will be

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01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 4: only successful as our people if you don't have to

1342
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 4: be a farmer to attend. You can be there to

1343
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 4: support the cause and to see on the flip side

1344
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,799
Speaker 4: of what you can do to be involved and support

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01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 4: a black farmer in this country. So you don't have

1346
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 4: to be a farmer. It's free to attend. And we

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01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 4: need like minded individuals to come together and share those

1348
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 4: thoughts and concerns so we can move some things in

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01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 4: the positive manner in this country. That's the only way

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01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 4: that this is going to work. People. We've got to

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01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 4: come out to these events like this.

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01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we should come out, and we're going to

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01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: give you more information about that. What sort of information

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01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: will I receive if I go? So you know, I'm

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01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: not a farmer, but I'm supporting the cause. What what

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01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: what sort of information will I receive it? How can

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01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: I use it back? And if I knew a black

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01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 1: farmer out there, how can I get this information to them?

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01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 4: Here's something called that we've been hearing a lot of

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01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 4: and it's music to my ears.

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Speaker 11: Brother.

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01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 4: There's a lot of new and beginning farmers that want

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01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 4: to get into farming in this country. You know, how

1364
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 4: do I how do I break through? How do I

1365
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 4: break the ice? We have a session at the beginning

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01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,719
Speaker 4: of the conference. You know how to start your farm,

1367
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 4: you know, one on one and we break it down

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01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 4: for you. These are the basic twols, and this is

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01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 4: how you navigate the system. You know what to do,

1370
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 4: what to stay away from. I think that panel for

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01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 4: young people and that session would would you know, breathe

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01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 4: some life of hopeing to what they're trying to do,

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01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 4: because they're idea trying to do it on their own,

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01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 4: and it's easy to make a mistake, and farming people,

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01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 4: it's easy to make them mistakes. So I made all

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01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 4: the mistakes for you, so I can tell you what

1377
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 4: to stay away from and you know and what you

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01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 4: do and who to contact and these type things. That's

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Speaker 4: the I would think that's a very big highlight of

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Speaker 4: what we're going to be doing. There's some complaints in

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Speaker 4: court that I'm going to.

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01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 14: Be going over and how to take parts and then

1383
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 14: those particular particular lawsuits.

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Speaker 4: All of these things will be a part of the session.

1385
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 4: How to get together and buy some land or something

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01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 4: that you know, is one of my big initiatives out here,

1387
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 4: called for for a very very long time, and it's

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01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 4: actually coming together and we actually help some people, you know,

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Speaker 4: you know, buy some man and that's that's something that's

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01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 4: a huge initiative out.

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Speaker 1: Here all right, twenty six away from the top of

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01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 1: our family with John Boyd, the founder and the president

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01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 1: of the National Black Farmers Associated. They're having their thirty

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01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: fifth national conference coming up and we'll tell you more

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01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: about that. But just because she was joining us from

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Speaker 1: Silver Spring and Maryland, she's online one right, sister Casiba

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Speaker 1: with John Boyd.

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Speaker 18: Yes, grand rising to you and mister John Boyd. I

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01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 18: don't know if this is a conspiracy theory, but it

1400
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 18: was a couple of decades ago when a Republican about

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01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 18: the name of Ronald Reagan, his Secretary of Agriculture. A

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01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 18: lot of farmers lost their land during that time, a

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01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 18: member farm AID. Now what we're seeing is farmers losing

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01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 18: their land again under another Republican administration. There's talk about

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01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 18: a big there by the name of Gates buying up

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01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,759
Speaker 18: a lot of farm land in this country because he's

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Speaker 18: into genetically modified crops. Do you think there's any.

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Speaker 10: Truth to that.

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Speaker 4: It is a lot of truth to it. And they're

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01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 4: also buying a lot of land and they have different

1411
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 4: company names that they buy land under at these farm auctions.

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01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:16,719
Speaker 4: There are two interviews that are beating against farmers like myself.

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01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 4: One is China through different company names, and the other

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01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 4: is Bill Gates for example, and the community that I

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01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 4: live in, board Turn like my name, Boardton, Virginia. Microsoft

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01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 4: has purchased bath amounts of land building data centers, and

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01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 4: the average price for acre before they came into this

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01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 4: area was about thirty five hundred dollars an acre to

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01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 4: four thousand dollars an acre. Now since Microsoft is in

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01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 4: my community, land is up fifteen to between fifteen thousand

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01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 4: dollars acre and twenty thousand dollars acre, which totally takes

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01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:03,759
Speaker 4: the farm are out of play of purchasing purchasing land,

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01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 4: and that's what they do. He wants to have unnamed

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01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 4: it fake beef and now they I believe they're working

1425
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 4: with the administration to do that because now we at

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01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 4: the lowest point in history the cattle production in the

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01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 4: United States, and he's made a deal to buy that,

1428
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 4: like I told you at the top of the show,

1429
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 4: to buy this beef now from Argentina instead of investing

1430
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 4: in America's farmers at home, we have vast amounts of

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01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 4: land in line dormant, and some from black farmers that

1432
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 4: they can invest moneys in to help them start a

1433
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 4: cale cab operations. So yes, I think it's by design.

1434
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 4: And every time you see what happened like in the

1435
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 4: Reagan administration, he came in and closed up the Office

1436
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 4: of Civil Rights and they wanted to do away with

1437
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 4: black farmers way back then, and they wind up hurting

1438
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 4: who white farmers. They were committing suicides, and the same

1439
01:18:56,240 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 4: things that you're seeing happening now happened. And you're correct

1440
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 4: on the Reagular administration where they lost that best amount

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01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 4: of land.

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Speaker 1: So let's all right there, John, We've got to step

1443
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 1: aside and get caught up with the latest news. Kashiba,

1444
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: I thank you for your call. It's twenty three minutes

1445
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: away from the top there. Family, just checking in. Our

1446
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: guest is the founder and the president of the National

1447
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 1: Black Farmers Association. They're having their thirty fifth that national

1448
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: conference coming up. We're going to talk about that as well.

1449
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: You can reach us at eight hundred four or five

1450
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

1451
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: calls after the news that's next and Grand Rising Family

1452
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: facts for staying with us on this Tuesday morning at

1453
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: sixteen minutes away from the top they I want to

1454
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: shout our teachers on the way to school, this is

1455
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, and maybe you'll hear something on the program

1456
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 1: you can pass on to our young people. Our guest

1457
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: is the founder and the president of the National Black

1458
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 1: Farmers Association and it's John Boyd. You've heard heard him before.

1459
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: Before we go back to John the let me just

1460
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: remind you coming up with later this morning, we're going

1461
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: to hear from Baba Lambo at the Inmosa House in Washington, DC.

1462
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:56,839
Speaker 1: He always has these thought provoking topics of discuss. This

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01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: morning's going to talk about freedom. What is freedom and

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01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: how do we achieve it? And later this week in

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01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: here from MORGANSTA Professor doctor Ray Wimbush. Also Sister Filey

1466
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 1: is going to be with us from the Million Women's March.

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01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: Economists that doctor Julian Malfow will also join us. Black

1468
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: One for Positive Changes. Doctor Stephanie Meyers will be here. Also,

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01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 1: we're going to go to ghan A Live. Doctor Cambowen

1470
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 1: is going to check in with us from Ghana's to

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Speaker 1: talk about a film festival that's taking place there and

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01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,440
Speaker 1: also a Black Power conference. So if you are in Baltimore,

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01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: make sure you keep your radio locked in tight on

1474
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 1: ten ten WLB, or if we're in the DMV, we're

1475
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: on FM. They were on AM fourteen fifty WL. So John,

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01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: let's go back because one of the things that our

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01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: family should know that they're not making any more land.

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01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 1: And one time we had a conversation. He were saying

1479
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 1: that some of the young people were selling the land

1480
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,839
Speaker 1: because they didn't want to get into the farming business

1481
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: because this is what their parents did. A lot of

1482
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: a lot of children are like that. They don't want

1483
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 1: to follow what their foots with their parents dire. But

1484
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: you're saying that you've seen a cadre of young folks

1485
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 1: now I want to get into farming. Are these are

1486
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: these are younger folks or these people who had experience?

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01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: If not, can they benefit from coming to the conference?

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01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 4: Can definitely benefit from coming to the conference. And they

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01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 4: need to be there, that's the first thing. So we

1490
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 4: want them to come out and take part because those

1491
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 4: are the next generation of farmers. The average age of

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01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:15,799
Speaker 4: a black farmer is six sixty one and a half

1493
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 4: years of age, and we need young people to partner

1494
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 4: with older farmers and to take over their skill set

1495
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 4: and those farming operations. So it's very, very important to

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01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 4: have that population involved. And you said the sentence that

1497
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 4: I've been saying for a very very long time. God

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01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 4: don't make no more land. And that's the way my

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01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 4: grandfather said it in that sentence. And you just spoke

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Speaker 4: about what is freedom. My grandfather also said, if you

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01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 4: want to be free, own some land. Every step you take,

1502
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 4: every step you make, requires land ownership. You can either

1503
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 4: be on your own or you can be trespassing on

1504
01:21:56,200 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 4: somebody else's land. Is the essence of everything. If you

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01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 4: have land, you can borrow money. Somebody's gonna land you

1506
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 4: some money. If you have some land, you can grow

1507
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 4: some food to feed yourself and your families. You can

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01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 4: build a home and the homestead if you own some land.

1509
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 4: So for those about black families in the South that

1510
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 4: have the land, don't sell the land. It's non negotiable.

1511
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 4: Don't never ever sell the land. It's not adoption to

1512
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 4: our people. Find someone in the family that's interested in it,

1513
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 4: and if it's there's property, work it out amongst yourselves.

1514
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 4: Don't air your dirty laundry. Out there for everybody else

1515
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 4: work it out. There has to be a person in

1516
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 4: that family that's interested in that land. Sell it to

1517
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 4: them and put aside the past differences and the black families.

1518
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 4: And these are the things that I hear all the

1519
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 4: time called around the country. We have to let some

1520
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 4: things go so we can move forward. But don't let

1521
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 4: the land get away. Because if the land gets away,

1522
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 4: a white man in this country is not going to

1523
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 4: sell it back to you.

1524
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 3: Check that.

1525
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: And if you have to sell it, just must have

1526
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 1: to sell it. Look for a black family or another

1527
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: black farmer, and we're got to do with them.

1528
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, if it must that's the last object called right.

1529
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 3: That's right, you're right.

1530
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: So let's let's got the conference though, John, what time

1531
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 1: where's the conference going to be? What time does it start?

1532
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: And tell us more about the conference.

1533
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 4: The conference is our thirty fifth anual conference. It's going

1534
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 4: to be in Birmingham, Alabama this year. Birmingham, as you

1535
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 4: say in the country, b Ham. You know it's going

1536
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 4: to be there this year, and it's going to be

1537
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 4: farmers from all around the country. October thirty first through

1538
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 4: November November first is the actual dates the conference starts

1539
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 4: each day from nine am to five pm. That Saturday night,

1540
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 4: we have an awards program where we honoring now black

1541
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 4: farmers around the country and this is going to be

1542
01:23:56,160 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 4: a packed, innovative obsession, but we want people to interact.

1543
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 4: That's how you make a difference.

1544
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 19: People.

1545
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 4: You can come in and partner and find other black

1546
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 4: farmers from your state to see what they're doing, to

1547
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 4: see how we can start working together and doing some things.

1548
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 4: So again it's thirty fifth annual conference and it's free

1549
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 4: to attend people, so there's no cover charge. And you

1550
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 4: know you can find some people in car pool and

1551
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 4: get there and go to Black Farmers with the S

1552
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 4: B L A, C, K, F, A, R M, E

1553
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 4: R S dot org and registered now and you know,

1554
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 4: I want to see your face in the place. People.

1555
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 4: It's time. It's time for us to make some efforts.

1556
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 4: And it's ten of important commerces.

1557
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: Like this, all right, ten away from the topic that

1558
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: we'll give you that information again before John Leeves, if

1559
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 1: you're driving and get it, we'll share it with you.

1560
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: And if you don't, just call the studio. Kevin will

1561
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: have the information for you. But John, one time we

1562
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: talked about you working in callis with some of the HBCUs.

1563
01:24:58,400 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 3: Do that have a material?

1564
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 4: It did? It did, and we're having a session on that.

1565
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 4: We're going to have some college Black colleges come out

1566
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 4: and they have a session where the young people are

1567
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 4: creating by avenues to make things better for black farmers

1568
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 4: and we have a competition on that and we're going

1569
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 4: to select the winner of that project. So each HBCU

1570
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 4: is presenting a project that they think would make you know,

1571
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:32,480
Speaker 4: life better and how to improve on a black farmer's business.

1572
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 4: So hey man, we talked that up on your show

1573
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 4: and it's coming to Fluition and I know Dell State

1574
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 4: and others are going to be at this conference making

1575
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 4: a presentation to the conference attendees of young people man

1576
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 4: putting their minds and innovation minds together to see how

1577
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 4: they could help us out in this crisis. So thank

1578
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 4: you so much for asking that I missed that talking point,

1579
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 4: but there it is. And we're glad to have black

1580
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 4: college take part in this conference.

1581
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: Right and let me just throw a challenge to all

1582
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 1: the black colleges. You guys need to show up at

1583
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: this event in Birmingham October thirty first November.

1584
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:12,799
Speaker 4: Students and some students.

1585
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, because this is your future. This is you folks, this.

1586
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 4: Is you know, that's our future.

1587
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: This is it because you don't want to be buying

1588
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 1: your food from Japanese or Chinese or somebody else when

1589
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 1: you have the land. But John, let me get to

1590
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: throw this at you. If someone says I want to

1591
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: get into farming, but I'm not quite sure what product

1592
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: I should do or what product I should farm, do

1593
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: you help them out making those kind of decisions as well?

1594
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 13: We can.

1595
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 4: We can because what grows good in Virginia may not

1596
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:44,560
Speaker 4: grow good in Alabama. So, for example, the top commodities

1597
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 4: in Virginia, of course peanuts, tobacco and other other commodities

1598
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 4: that you can grow in the bunnets and you know,

1599
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 4: make some money. So those commodities may not be the

1600
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 4: same in Louisiana where it's sugar. And that's why you

1601
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 4: need to come to the conference to see, you know,

1602
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 4: what's good for your area and what other black farmers

1603
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 4: are doing in those particular states. You can find a

1604
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 4: mentor if you're in a certain state that a farmer's

1605
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,719
Speaker 4: already out there, seasoned black farmer. And that's what we're

1606
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 4: losing in this country every time we lose a black

1607
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 4: farmer that has generational wealth and skill set. You know,

1608
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 4: I'm a fourth generation farm I was taught to farm,

1609
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 4: you know, the art skill set of farming from my daddy,

1610
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 4: John Board, Senor and my grandfather Thomas Board taught me

1611
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 4: everything I know about farming. And we have to teach

1612
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 4: that to the next generation of farmers. So there are

1613
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 4: older black farmers that are there that you can tap

1614
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 4: your skill set in their minds on what to do

1615
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 4: and become a master farmer.

1616
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 11: Like they are.

1617
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: Eight away from the top of that with the founder

1618
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: and the president of the National Black Farmers Association, John Boyd, John,

1619
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 1: give us some numbers. Now, break it down, because when

1620
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 1: you started getting involved in politically in the farming business.

1621
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 1: How many acres do we have we have ben and

1622
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: how many acres do we have right now?

1623
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,560
Speaker 4: Oh man, we're at the turn of the century. We

1624
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 4: own twenty million acres of land, twenty million acres of

1625
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:14,719
Speaker 4: land in the United States, primarily in the southeastern corridor

1626
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 4: of the United States. And then the numbers get smaller

1627
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 4: as you brought into the Midwestern and California, and we're

1628
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 4: down to roughly three and a half to four million

1629
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 4: acres of land, and Bill Gates and others on more

1630
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 4: land than all the blacks in this country put together.

1631
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 4: And I want to change that. I want to change it.

1632
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 4: If you can afford people, closure is a raggedy as

1633
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 4: Cadillac and the Mercedes Benz. You can afford five acres

1634
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 4: in the country. Don't buy that new pickup truck, SUV

1635
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 4: and the Cadillac and leave it right there and go

1636
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 4: out and buy five acres in the country. Just what

1637
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 4: you know. Land is transferable by deed. You know, I

1638
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,680
Speaker 4: can't give you my education, I can't pass that on

1639
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 4: to you, but I can pass on my land by

1640
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 4: a deed of trust to my children and grandchildren. So

1641
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:12,520
Speaker 4: land is transferable and it's it's it's generational wealth if

1642
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 4: you can do something with it. And that's the thing there.

1643
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,719
Speaker 4: So they don't make no more land. Buy some land,

1644
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 4: buy some land, and you can start with five acres.

1645
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 4: You can start small and then start to build up.

1646
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:27,679
Speaker 4: But we have to start somewhere. It is my message

1647
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 4: on the show today called Yeah and John.

1648
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 1: What happened though? We had so much land and all

1649
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 1: of a sudden now.

1650
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 4: We lost it, we lost it. So there's a couple

1651
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 4: of fascets there.

1652
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 7: One.

1653
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 4: Uh, some of the land losses is on us.

1654
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 17: Uh.

1655
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 4: Some families didn't pay their taxes and and and we

1656
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 4: passed on we didn't pass on the land by you know,

1657
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 4: wills and all of these things. And some chose to

1658
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 4: move what we call up south. If you lived in

1659
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 4: the Carolinas, we drove up south to uh, Washington, DC

1660
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 4: and New York City. If you lived in mississip we

1661
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 4: drove to Detroit. Another in Chicago, So that part is

1662
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 4: on us. And then the government did the other half

1663
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 4: to blacks in this country through a legalized program called

1664
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:16,839
Speaker 4: least Back by back, where they were stealing land legally

1665
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 4: and putting it in federal inventory and giving it and

1666
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 4: leasting it to whites for pennies on the dollar, where

1667
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 4: they could have worked with us to keep the land.

1668
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 4: And you know, my daddy said, when I went to

1669
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 4: buy farm from another black farm, his name was Russell Sally,

1670
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 4: he said, well, we're gonna get money from And I

1671
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 4: told mister Sally, I didn't know. I said, where your

1672
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 4: boy money? He said. Under the Carter administration, there's a

1673
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 4: new program out there for blacks, he said, but the

1674
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 4: government doesn't like black people. And my daddy always said,

1675
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 4: the government and black don't belong in the same sentence.

1676
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 4: And that's how they took us out when many black

1677
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 4: farmers started getting by farm operating loans as the last

1678
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 4: ditch resort, and the government tied a rap loan on

1679
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 4: a deed to trust, so for a very miniscule amount

1680
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 4: of money, they will put a lane on our notes,

1681
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 4: on our palms. And then when we couldn't pay it back,

1682
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:14,440
Speaker 4: they took the land and put it into federal inventory.

1683
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:18,560
Speaker 4: And that we lost millions and millions of acres of

1684
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 4: land through that through that route. So the government, the

1685
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 4: very agency that's supposed to lend the land up to blacks,

1686
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 4: was the very agency that was taking us out, uh,

1687
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 4: you know, by the thousands in this country.

1688
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 1: All right, for away from the top, John, we got

1689
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 1: a tweet question for you. Then we're gonna let you

1690
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 1: go tweet, but we got to check the traffic, so

1691
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 1: I'll let you think about this and you can respond

1692
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 1: after that. We checked the traffic. The tweeter says, what

1693
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: is the devastating effect on Trump's actions that we'll have

1694
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 1: on our kitchen tables. So I'll let you pumper that.

1695
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 4: Well.

1696
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 1: We checked the traffic in our different cities. As I mentioned,

1697
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 1: it's four minutes away from the top. They our family,

1698
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 1: I guess it's the founder and the president of the

1699
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 1: National Black Farmers Association. Our black farmers are under attack

1700
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 1: line most of us are. What are your thoughts? Reach

1701
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred and four five zero

1702
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls

1703
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 1: after the trafficking weather together. That's next at Grand Rising Family.

1704
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 1: Thanks for rolling with us on this Tuesday morning. My

1705
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:12,759
Speaker 1: moman t hellor we're going to speak with Baba Lamumba

1706
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 1: is bomba Lamumba is a grill from a mojor house

1707
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. But let's wrap up with the

1708
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 1: founder and the president of the National Black Farmers Association,

1709
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 1: John Boyd. They're having the conference the thirty fifth and

1710
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,639
Speaker 1: conference have taken place October thirty first and November first

1711
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 1: in Birmingham. But the tweet question that left it with

1712
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:32,680
Speaker 1: John is if we don't support our black farmers, what

1713
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,600
Speaker 1: will be the devastating effect of Trump's actions will have

1714
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 1: on our kitchen tables.

1715
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 14: Yeah, So it's going to be high food prices.

1716
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 4: You know, long Leve the man that can fete himself,

1717
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,880
Speaker 4: you know, and this president has taking us away from

1718
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:48,640
Speaker 4: that our call. As we wrap up, this president then

1719
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 4: played white farmers in this country. He played them, he

1720
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 4: got there, got their vote. Nine and a half per

1721
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,600
Speaker 4: cent of by Thomas voted for this president. That's on

1722
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 4: your show telling people to vote for Kamala Harrison, and

1723
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 4: they didn't do it for whatever reason. Now this president

1724
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 4: played them, and now he's putting them on the auction block.

1725
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 4: So they got played on this one forty billion dollars

1726
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 4: to Argentina and they're waiting on some bail out. There's

1727
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 4: not going to answer the question. So and shortly, the

1728
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 4: answer is higher food prices for the American consumers when

1729
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 4: you go into the grocery stores because right now we're

1730
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 4: in important eggs and now beef, things that we did

1731
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 4: in the United States for generations and abundance, we are

1732
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:34,720
Speaker 4: now not not able to produce it to a feed

1733
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 4: American people.

1734
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 1: I got to ask you this, John, are you getting

1735
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 1: any support from the NAACP, the Congression Black Caucus, and

1736
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 1: any of those.

1737
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, and I love my paper call before

1738
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 4: I answer. I love black people. I love my people

1739
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 4: with all our problems and everything, I love my people.

1740
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:54,799
Speaker 4: I think we can get an invite man to speak

1741
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 4: at the Congression of Black Caucus with all of this,

1742
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 4: with farming at the top of the new charge in

1743
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 4: this country, uh and the terrorists and the effects on terrafts.

1744
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 4: Nobody even extended the invite to say, hey, man, come

1745
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 4: out and speak at the Congressional Black car because so

1746
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:14,600
Speaker 4: not even on the national level with the NAACP. You know.

1747
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 4: So my phone number is there and I will you know,

1748
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 4: I want to be a part of health things moving forward.

1749
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 4: I don't want to be the guy that bash our people.

1750
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 14: But I think we can do a little bit better

1751
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 14: at working together.

1752
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we're going to work on that for sure.

1753
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: We're definitely going to work on that. John, But before

1754
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: we let you go, give us the details of the

1755
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,599
Speaker 1: conference and how can folks is the email address?

1756
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:40,759
Speaker 3: How can folks get involved?

1757
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, email address is my name, John J. O. H. N.

1758
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 4: Wesley W. E. S. L. E. Y or wait to

1759
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 4: b O.

1760
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:49,479
Speaker 17: Y D.

1761
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 4: Junior j R. At gmail dot com. And the website

1762
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 4: for the conference Black Farmers with the s dot Org

1763
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 4: Blackfarmers with the SS dot org and you can register

1764
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 4: now for free to attend our conference October thirty first,

1765
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five begins at nine am to five pm

1766
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 4: and November first, twenty twenty five from nine am to

1767
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 4: five pm, and then we have our gala that night

1768
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 4: is free to attend. We have a pack schedule and

1769
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 4: we want Black America, not just farmers, Black America to

1770
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 4: be in attendance to see what we can do to

1771
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 4: help our farmers. And there be other businesses there that

1772
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 4: we can start to share our ideas with so we

1773
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 4: can move forward.

1774
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that we just came in, they want to

1775
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:41,759
Speaker 1: know if he's going to be streamed.

1776
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 4: I'm sure it is. And all that information people click

1777
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 4: on Blackfarmers dot org. Everything is there, the whole information

1778
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 4: package about the conference. There's times, the speakers, the sessions.

1779
01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 4: Blackfarmers dot org. If you have any further questions. Eight

1780
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 4: oh four six nine one eight five to eight. Again

1781
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 4: that's eight zero four six nine one eight five to eight.

1782
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 4: See you there, Birmingham, Alabama.

1783
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:17,519
Speaker 1: All right, thanks John, Thanks thanks.

1784
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 3: For the work that you do.

1785
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 4: For doing what you're doing, you are making a difference

1786
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 4: for our people.

1787
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:23,640
Speaker 1: We love you, No, we love you. You're doing You're

1788
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 1: the one that's putting the work. Thanks John, Thank you brother.

1789
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 1: All right, that's John Boyd family. He's the founder and

1790
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 1: the president of the National Black Farmers Association. It's been

1791
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 1: going at this as they mentioned, this is the thirty

1792
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 1: fifth anniversary the conference that they're taking place, and they

1793
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 1: mentioned how many it's land we have lost. You know,

1794
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 1: they're not making any more new land. Everybody's buying up

1795
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 1: land and except us, so we've If you know somebody

1796
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 1: who's interested in farming, just please just pass on this

1797
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 1: information to them so they can maybe they can attend

1798
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 1: or you know, get all the information. If they can attend,

1799
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 1: get all the information. We need more and more of

1800
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 1: our folks owning our own land. That's that's that's that's important.

1801
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:02,800
Speaker 1: It's imperative that we do that. Six minutes after the

1802
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: top of the our family, let's bringing now Baba Lamumba.

1803
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:07,840
Speaker 1: Babbl Laumba works out of Emoja House in Washington, d C.

1804
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 1: Is one of our grills. Grant Rising, Baba Lamomba, welcome

1805
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:14,599
Speaker 1: back to the program.

1806
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 10: Grand Rising brother, glad to be back.

1807
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 1: You know, we're just having the conversation with John Boyd

1808
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 1: about freedom, and he says one of the things about

1809
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,559
Speaker 1: freedom is the land. He says that that's a key

1810
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 1: component because they're not making anymore land. I just want

1811
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts of that before we get into

1812
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: what you came here to talk about.

1813
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 10: Well, you know, that's obviously true of you know, and

1814
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 10: the question is is at some point about what land

1815
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 10: do you control and own it? Not so much as

1816
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 10: an individual, but also as a people. You know, where

1817
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:49,800
Speaker 10: we are, you know, we talk, we use the word

1818
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 10: African and that is that our land or and if

1819
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 10: it's our land, why don't we control what it is

1820
01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 10: that that land brings forward, that land has in the

1821
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 10: way of riches, and uh, you know, why does someone

1822
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:08,559
Speaker 10: else control it? You know? In other words, we end

1823
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 10: up working on land that we call our own for

1824
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 10: somebody else, you know, on an international level. On a

1825
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:17,800
Speaker 10: national level, of course, the robbery of our land, the

1826
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 10: stealing of our land, which the which the brother pointed out,

1827
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 10: was complicit with the government. It was part of a

1828
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 10: plan to make sure that our job of just being

1829
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 10: brought here to work for them is the position that

1830
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 10: we continue to hold hell then and continue to essentially

1831
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 10: hold now and land is a a is a great

1832
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 10: dividing point, is what you know? Uh in the Republican

1833
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 10: new after you us talk about free the land? Well, yes,

1834
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 10: free the land, the ownership of the land free. So

1835
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 10: that issue is a key and important one and one

1836
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 10: to help us understand our situation and define freedom, which

1837
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 10: is really what I wanted to talk about today is

1838
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:09,680
Speaker 10: how do we define freedom? What does it mean? You know,

1839
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 10: you talk about liberation, we have a freedom movement, but

1840
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:18,679
Speaker 10: we never really define what freedom is. And part of that,

1841
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 10: of course is land. Freedom has to be equated with

1842
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:30,679
Speaker 10: with the ownership and the use of land. The land

1843
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 10: essentially means the earth itself. What part of the earth.

1844
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:34,799
Speaker 4: Do you control?

1845
01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 10: Do you own? What part of the earth does your

1846
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 10: people have say over and benefit from? Et cetera. So

1847
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 10: that issue is extremely important.

1848
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 3: All right.

1849
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 1: Ten after the top of the family, just checking in,

1850
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 1: Baba la Mumba's I guess there's a grill works out

1851
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 1: of Emojia House in Washington, d C. Brothers and sisters,

1852
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 1: elders come together and have these discussions and they come

1853
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 1: and put it before us on the radio. Baba la Mumba.

1854
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:00,600
Speaker 1: It turning about freedom, though, how do you define freedom?

1855
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 1: Is freedom every black person has the same idea of

1856
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 1: freedom or it is freedom different for some folks other

1857
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 1: than other folks.

1858
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:12,760
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, that's the question that we sort of have avoided.

1859
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 10: We use the term as though everybody understands what it is,

1860
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 10: but that's not true. It's a term that could mean

1861
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 10: almost any Donald Trump uses the term freedom, but he

1862
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:27,200
Speaker 10: certainly doesn't mean freedom for you or us and we.

1863
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 10: So it's a term that has to be looked at

1864
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 10: it very closely because it amounts to our goal. And

1865
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 10: if we don't define what our goal is, which is freedom,

1866
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 10: we don't say exactly what that means to us and

1867
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 10: for us, then we don't have a clear path to

1868
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 10: a specific accomplishment something that with our struggle is is

1869
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:55,840
Speaker 10: in existence to create. So, you know, we have to

1870
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:59,960
Speaker 10: look at this question and closely, and it's a perpetual question.

1871
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 10: It's a question that comes up in many forms for

1872
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 10: our people. You know, for example, if you define yourself

1873
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:12,640
Speaker 10: as a civil rights worker, then your goal isn't independence

1874
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 10: or land. Is assimilation successfully similation into this society. That's

1875
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:23,160
Speaker 10: your goal, because civil rights means all you're seeking is

1876
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 10: the right to be a full and complete, equal member

1877
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:30,800
Speaker 10: of the societies in But the problem with that definition

1878
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:35,160
Speaker 10: is a society that captured you, as stold you, that

1879
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 10: took you away from your own identity, that robbed you

1880
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:43,880
Speaker 10: of that identity. So when you accept that notion, when

1881
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 10: you accept the notion that all you want is acceptance

1882
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:51,640
Speaker 10: into this society, you're accepting the idea and perpetuating the

1883
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:55,439
Speaker 10: idea that that was okay, that that you might even

1884
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:58,800
Speaker 10: be suggesting that was a good thing because such all

1885
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 10: you want is to be part of society. Stealing you

1886
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:04,720
Speaker 10: from Africa gave you an opportunity to be a part

1887
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:08,839
Speaker 10: of this society. So, you know, we have a problem

1888
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 10: with this question of goal. We have a problem of

1889
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 10: defining freedom. The other alternative of that, of course, is

1890
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:21,320
Speaker 10: our definition of freedom is the freedom that Black nationalists

1891
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 10: have always talked about building our own nation state, having

1892
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 10: our own in other words, creating an alternative to America,

1893
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:31,559
Speaker 10: not trying to live in it. You know, and I

1894
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:34,599
Speaker 10: think I've said this before or any times on your show,

1895
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:40,720
Speaker 10: on others, that this presents a kind of duality of

1896
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:47,200
Speaker 10: contradiction in US, we actually can't separate those two. What

1897
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 10: seemed to be contradictory goals. We know we live here,

1898
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 10: we know we depend on schools here, we depend on

1899
01:42:56,160 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 10: hospitals and health etc. Here, So it is important for

1900
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:04,599
Speaker 10: us to improve the here, the where we sit, where

1901
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:08,800
Speaker 10: we stand. The brother who talked, who became before we

1902
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 10: were talking to, he's a farmer. Well, they're farming here

1903
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 10: in America. So their struggle is not necessarily creating an

1904
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:22,360
Speaker 10: alternative America. But it but it is the realization that

1905
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 10: until you create an alternative to America, you don't have

1906
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:30,439
Speaker 10: the control you need to benefit from your own land.

1907
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 10: You know, you can work hard and try to make

1908
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 10: the head like it's the fact to the It's kind

1909
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:41,880
Speaker 10: of like the position between that that Malcolm excp uh

1910
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:45,320
Speaker 10: pushed and the position that doctor King pushed early on,

1911
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 10: which was, you know, we are here indeed to be

1912
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 10: accepted and assimilate into this society, whereas Malcolm's message, of

1913
01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:59,679
Speaker 10: course was no, we're here to build our own society.

1914
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:02,839
Speaker 10: We're here to strengthen ourselves. We're here to be to

1915
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:08,320
Speaker 10: re establish our control over ourselves and to return to

1916
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 10: some extent to our previous state prior to being enslaved.

1917
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 10: We know that that course is going to be somewhat

1918
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 10: different than it was for a number of reasons. Why,

1919
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:26,719
Speaker 10: because not only did they steal us, they also colonized Africa,

1920
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 10: so they ended up creating, for example, the countries that

1921
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:33,719
Speaker 10: we know in Africa were created by Europeans. They weren't

1922
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 10: created by Africans. So the difference between Nigeria and Liberia

1923
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 10: and Bukino Fossil and Ghana except those are all lines

1924
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:47,400
Speaker 10: in which Europeans and their own interests created and divided

1925
01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:52,600
Speaker 10: ourselves up. Well, that's that's a form of slavery. So

1926
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:56,680
Speaker 10: freedom for Africans. That's why the concept of Pan Africanism

1927
01:44:56,760 --> 01:45:00,760
Speaker 10: is so such as strong is uniting our people. But

1928
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 10: even that runs into difficulty when it comes to coming

1929
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:08,240
Speaker 10: up with the gold or something that we can achieve,

1930
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:15,040
Speaker 10: because we're taught now that those those lines are saclo sync,

1931
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:21,280
Speaker 10: those lines, those borders. A good example of that that

1932
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 10: that situation is when the Eble people tried to create

1933
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 10: the Offera. They actually had a war with Nigeria with

1934
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Speaker 10: the federal government. Of course, the federal government ended up winning.

1935
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:37,759
Speaker 10: The federal government as a support of England, which created

1936
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Speaker 10: is going in the in the first place. So be

1937
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 10: offering people can't have their own country. Well be offering.

1938
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,520
Speaker 10: People should have their own identity, they have their own identity,

1939
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:53,559
Speaker 10: they should have their own country. But people, even people

1940
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:58,679
Speaker 10: like Stokely Carmichael, who was a Pan Africanists when he died,

1941
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:08,000
Speaker 10: not supports independence. You know, why why would you choose

1942
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Speaker 10: a European construct like Nigeria over an African construct struct

1943
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:17,760
Speaker 10: like the Opera, which is a people in Africa who

1944
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Speaker 10: want their own identity, want their own nation state. So

1945
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Speaker 10: we have this contradiction about what it is we stand,

1946
01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:29,519
Speaker 10: what what are we fighting for? Uh that we haven't

1947
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Speaker 10: really come to grips with. We haven't really come and

1948
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 10: it's going on for a very very very long time

1949
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Speaker 10: in our community actually.

1950
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Speaker 3: Most people, right and who I thought?

1951
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Speaker 1: Right there, Baba Lama. We'll get into a definition of freedom,

1952
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 1: because freedom means different things. And my question here, I'll

1953
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Speaker 1: let you ponder this during the break. Is freedom different

1954
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:52,160
Speaker 1: based on your socio economic level. It's freedom for Clarence

1955
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Speaker 1: Thomas different from its freedom for baby La Mumbas all

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Speaker 1: all his freedom the same just because we share the

1957
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Speaker 1: same skin tone. I'll let you address that when we

1958
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Speaker 1: get back sixteen after the top. They have family. I

1959
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Speaker 1: guessed is Baba la Moomba. He's one of our grills,

1960
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Speaker 1: works out of emja house in Washington, DC. You got

1961
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Speaker 1: a question about freedom, reach out to us at eight

1962
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Speaker 1: hundred four to five zero seventy eight seventy six and

1963
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Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls next and grand Rising family,

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Speaker 1: thanks for staying with us on this Tuesday morning. And

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Speaker 1: I guess is one of our grills, Babba Lamumba out

1966
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Speaker 1: of a moja house in Washington, DC. And he's defining

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Speaker 1: what freedom is. Just think for a moment. What is

1968
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Speaker 1: freedom to you? And the question I posted him before

1969
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Speaker 1: we left, is it based on the socioeconomic realities? The

1970
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Speaker 1: freedom for the drug dealer, he's telling as much drugs

1971
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Speaker 1: as he can and he's free and it can't do

1972
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Speaker 1: whatever he wants. He's got money is money to end game.

1973
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Speaker 1: For the educator, get a good education, get then you

1974
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:43,080
Speaker 1: get a good job, get a good job.

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Speaker 3: You're free.

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Speaker 1: For the legislator, I can make laws that the freemare

1977
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 1: up and I can be free to do everything that

1978
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Speaker 1: I want to do. I can take vacations and all that.

1979
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Speaker 1: So my question to you, Babba Lamola is the end product.

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Speaker 1: How much money I make? Is that freedom?

1981
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Speaker 10: Well, I think for the for the bourgeois collass if

1982
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:08,680
Speaker 10: you will, for the those who are who benefit. And

1983
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Speaker 10: that's that's really what they mean. How can I get

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Speaker 10: more money or how can I keep secure my money?

1985
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 10: It's impersonal. That's what benefits me. But the question is

1986
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Speaker 10: what what how do we how does the people? What

1987
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Speaker 10: benefits our people, not not you? What benefits what changes

1988
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Speaker 10: our status? How do we become a uh self determining

1989
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Speaker 10: powerful people? That that really is the question of freedom.

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Speaker 10: Freedom is a collective issue. It's not how I benefit.

1991
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Speaker 10: You know, if I want to buy a Mercedes, I'm

1992
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:46,560
Speaker 10: driving the Forward, but I really want to drive a Mercedes,

1993
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:48,760
Speaker 10: and I get a better job and it gives me

1994
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 10: that money. You say, well, I'm free now I'm driving

1995
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:54,920
Speaker 10: a Mercedes. Well you know that you're not free, you know.

1996
01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:58,840
Speaker 10: And what we do at the expense of our people,

1997
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 10: we use Clarence tom Use. He exists. Really, he has

1998
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:07,160
Speaker 10: his whole status, his position, his place on the Supreme

1999
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:10,719
Speaker 10: Court by virtue of the fact that he is opposed

2000
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Speaker 10: as black people. You know, he makes a good living,

2001
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:18,439
Speaker 10: and he would decide, he would probably define that as

2002
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 10: freedom by virtue of him being an opposition to our interests.

2003
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:30,240
Speaker 10: So some people actually make a living by defining freedom

2004
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:33,599
Speaker 10: in terms of their own interests. The majority of our

2005
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 10: people probably define freedom in terms of them just doing

2006
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 10: better than they're doing now or being more secure basically

2007
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:46,720
Speaker 10: on economic terms. But the reality is freedom has to

2008
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:52,120
Speaker 10: be defined as the transgression of those that which was

2009
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:54,880
Speaker 10: done us to us as a people, and the first

2010
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:58,680
Speaker 10: transgression was that we were stolen from our culture and identity.

2011
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Speaker 10: That has to be addressed. If you don't address that

2012
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:05,439
Speaker 10: in your definition of freedom, then you're not trying. But

2013
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:08,160
Speaker 10: you're not trying to free a people. You're trying to

2014
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:11,520
Speaker 10: improve your own life circumstances based on your own values

2015
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:14,560
Speaker 10: or what you see, and you've defined it in those terms,

2016
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 10: which is totally unacceptable, but it's one that society will support.

2017
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Speaker 10: It's one that society will reinforce if possible, and society

2018
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:30,040
Speaker 10: insists probably that we keep that as our definition of freedom.

2019
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:33,000
Speaker 10: That is to say, the hope, the hope that one

2020
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 10: day we will be treated created and you're treated in

2021
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 10: this society as though our race, our identity does not matter,

2022
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:47,360
Speaker 10: But the reality is that it will. It will always matter.

2023
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:50,840
Speaker 10: And what we see now in the Donald Trumba, does

2024
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:54,320
Speaker 10: it matters more now or as much now it has

2025
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:58,320
Speaker 10: ever mattered? And that you know, whatever progress we make

2026
01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:02,439
Speaker 10: towards towards eliminating it as a negative factor of our

2027
01:51:02,479 --> 01:51:06,720
Speaker 10: whole life can be reversed, can and will be reversed.

2028
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:12,680
Speaker 10: But depending on what segment of the white population controls

2029
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:15,639
Speaker 10: us or is in a position of power over us.

2030
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:20,519
Speaker 10: Right now, we see the effects of Donald Trump negating many,

2031
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:23,559
Speaker 10: if not most, of the so called gains we've made

2032
01:51:24,120 --> 01:51:29,960
Speaker 10: under the banner of successful assimilation or integration, as some

2033
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:33,720
Speaker 10: have said in the past. But we see those being negated,

2034
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:37,280
Speaker 10: we see those being set back. At the same time,

2035
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:41,880
Speaker 10: interesting enough, we see society on the decline. We see

2036
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:46,320
Speaker 10: the situation in which we are living in deteriorating across

2037
01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:51,360
Speaker 10: the world. Climate change, you know, has clearly indicated that

2038
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:57,559
Speaker 10: approach that Europeans, white Europeans have taken in the world

2039
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:03,360
Speaker 10: in is destroy actually destroying the world, actually making You've

2040
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:05,840
Speaker 10: got a guy in the White House now who doesn't

2041
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:09,400
Speaker 10: even accept He says it's a hope. He says, that's

2042
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:16,240
Speaker 10: not happening. Well, you know, look at the flooding that's

2043
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:20,000
Speaker 10: going on. Look at the the change in the weather,

2044
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:24,599
Speaker 10: look at the data that that are supplied to us

2045
01:52:24,640 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 10: from the scientific community, which clearly shows and prove that

2046
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:31,880
Speaker 10: it is going on, that we have to do something

2047
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:34,639
Speaker 10: about it, that if we don't do something about it,

2048
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:38,559
Speaker 10: it will destroy us. We will we will meet soon

2049
01:52:38,680 --> 01:52:41,240
Speaker 10: meet this point in which we can't do anything about it.

2050
01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:45,040
Speaker 10: That is that can be successful. Donald Trump or the

2051
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:50,400
Speaker 10: point of no return Donald Trump is is is urging

2052
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 10: that on is making that more likely that human beings

2053
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:57,559
Speaker 10: will not be able to control that which threatens the

2054
01:52:57,640 --> 01:53:00,840
Speaker 10: human species and the whole world more than anything else

2055
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:05,400
Speaker 10: that we've seen. That is climate change, so called global warming,

2056
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:09,480
Speaker 10: so called you know, which is actually a product of technologies,

2057
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:14,639
Speaker 10: the product of a definition of freedom, an inappropriate definition

2058
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:19,719
Speaker 10: of freedom that if followed, will ultimately destroy the world

2059
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:25,200
Speaker 10: and the planet that we live in. So the importance

2060
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:27,880
Speaker 10: of the word freedom, the importance of having a goal

2061
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:30,960
Speaker 10: that makes sense, having a goal that is consistent with

2062
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 10: in a case of black people, are development and growth

2063
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:39,599
Speaker 10: as a people as opposed to your personal well being

2064
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:43,560
Speaker 10: is very very important. It's very important that you participate

2065
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:46,080
Speaker 10: in the process that frees us as a peace that

2066
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:50,120
Speaker 10: strengthens us as a people. If we can do that,

2067
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:52,559
Speaker 10: then we can move ahead. If we can't do that,

2068
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:59,000
Speaker 10: we're caught in this quagmire of believing that the dominant

2069
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:01,360
Speaker 10: society that sole us in the first place, they're robber

2070
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:04,599
Speaker 10: us of our culture, that is treating us as badly

2071
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:07,880
Speaker 10: as they've always treated us. If not, in some cases worse,

2072
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:13,559
Speaker 10: is going to save us. And you know, if we

2073
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 10: can save ourselves, we can also save the planet. And actually,

2074
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:21,400
Speaker 10: in some strange ways, both of them are at stakes.

2075
01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:25,920
Speaker 10: Our definition of freedom, our goal, our goal for self determination,

2076
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:29,880
Speaker 10: our goal for independence, our goal for strengthening our people,

2077
01:54:31,080 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 10: is consistent with the goal of the world surviving in

2078
01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 10: this verse, because if we don't strengthen ourselves as the people,

2079
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:42,280
Speaker 10: if we who have a much more balanced approach to life,

2080
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:46,320
Speaker 10: because Africans always had a balance to our Africans never

2081
01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:50,240
Speaker 10: tried to control nature. They always tried to live within nature.

2082
01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:52,880
Speaker 10: They always were always felt they're a part of nature.

2083
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:57,360
Speaker 10: Europeans have always tried to control nature, and that controls

2084
01:54:57,400 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 10: that insecurity that they've always expressed is manifesting itself in

2085
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:06,760
Speaker 10: some and at the level in which all of us,

2086
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:11,200
Speaker 10: all human beings are in fact in peril the world.

2087
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well let me jump in here, bobyla number twenty

2088
01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:15,680
Speaker 1: eight after the top of the we were since were

2089
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:19,200
Speaker 1: talking about freedom, isn't there a bunch of folks our

2090
01:55:19,240 --> 01:55:22,560
Speaker 1: people who don't want freedom, that content with what they have?

2091
01:55:23,120 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 1: How do you reach those folks who feel like, you know,

2092
01:55:26,280 --> 01:55:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm happy? Why should I you know, why should I

2093
01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:33,560
Speaker 1: get all anxiety and distress and talking about freedom. I'm

2094
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:36,080
Speaker 1: cool with what I have, you know, And there's nothing

2095
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:38,920
Speaker 1: I can do. I can't improve my position. This is

2096
01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:42,120
Speaker 1: what the hand that God dealt me. So I'm just

2097
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:44,200
Speaker 1: deal with it. What do you say to those folks?

2098
01:55:45,400 --> 01:55:49,760
Speaker 10: Well, I mean, you know, sometimes you can't say anything

2099
01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:53,320
Speaker 10: to them. Sometimes they have to learn. For example, what

2100
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:57,000
Speaker 10: does Donald Trump teach us about the society that we

2101
01:55:57,080 --> 01:56:02,120
Speaker 10: live in. What can we learn from this obviously anti

2102
01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:06,920
Speaker 10: black president that has taken taking the office? Now, what

2103
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:07,880
Speaker 10: can we learn from that?

2104
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:09,520
Speaker 4: What can we gain.

2105
01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:12,520
Speaker 10: In terms of our attitude change? Because you're talking about

2106
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:16,080
Speaker 10: changing our attitude? What can we learn from that? And

2107
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:18,520
Speaker 10: you know, there are many of us, many people who

2108
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:25,040
Speaker 10: think that his obviously anti black attitude, what he has

2109
01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:29,000
Speaker 10: brought forward is going to help teach us that we

2110
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:34,440
Speaker 10: cannot just simply live in and accept our role in

2111
01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:37,760
Speaker 10: this society. We must in order to survive. Our very

2112
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:43,400
Speaker 10: survival depends on us fighting that. Now, some people actually

2113
01:56:43,400 --> 01:56:46,080
Speaker 10: feel that that's going to happen, and that he Donald

2114
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:50,480
Speaker 10: something will make that happen. But under say a Barack

2115
01:56:50,520 --> 01:56:54,160
Speaker 10: Obama administration, which is interesting because when you look at

2116
01:56:54,240 --> 01:56:58,200
Speaker 10: what is the relationship between US voting Barack O, Barack

2117
01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:01,240
Speaker 10: Obama becoming president of the United State eight and the

2118
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 10: advent of Donald Trump, I think it would be very

2119
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:08,160
Speaker 10: naive if you didn't believe that there was a relationship.

2120
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:11,960
Speaker 10: I think the insecurity of white people began to be

2121
01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 10: very alarmed about people taking over what they considered to

2122
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:26,240
Speaker 10: be their country from from Obama on. Also, I'd like

2123
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:29,880
Speaker 10: to also say that, you know, when the Democrats put

2124
01:57:29,960 --> 01:57:34,560
Speaker 10: up Kamala Harris and the black woman, they increased the

2125
01:57:34,760 --> 01:57:38,560
Speaker 10: likelihood that Donald Trump would in fact be elected. They

2126
01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:41,440
Speaker 10: didn't do they didn't consider that, and you know, most

2127
01:57:41,480 --> 01:57:47,800
Speaker 10: black people were very happy that Kamala Harris was placed

2128
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:51,240
Speaker 10: in the position to become potentially become president of the

2129
01:57:51,320 --> 01:57:54,839
Speaker 10: United States. But that act alone meant that Donald Trump

2130
01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:57,320
Speaker 10: was likely to win, and.

2131
01:57:57,280 --> 01:58:02,640
Speaker 1: What we got, let's let's let's connect that. Dasha, Are

2132
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:06,560
Speaker 1: you saying that that the country is basically racist, that

2133
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:11,080
Speaker 1: because of white America, if you will add some black votes,

2134
01:58:11,120 --> 01:58:12,520
Speaker 1: will not vote for a black woman.

2135
01:58:14,040 --> 01:58:17,680
Speaker 10: Well, I think that. You know, we want to use

2136
01:58:17,680 --> 01:58:20,680
Speaker 10: the words like racism or white supremacy, have to be

2137
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:27,320
Speaker 10: kind of careful. What we're talking about is people. People

2138
01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:30,440
Speaker 10: all over the world generally identify with their own kind.

2139
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:33,880
Speaker 10: That's just the way the world works. You know, the

2140
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:38,720
Speaker 10: Chinese identify with Chinese, to be the be identified with Vietnamese,

2141
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:42,040
Speaker 10: the you know, people, Look, if you have something in

2142
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:45,360
Speaker 10: common with me, identify with you now we can. At

2143
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:48,520
Speaker 10: some point it becomes racism when you abuse other people

2144
01:58:48,520 --> 01:58:51,920
Speaker 10: who not like you, then that becomes a problem. But

2145
01:58:52,040 --> 01:58:54,760
Speaker 10: the problem of us identifying with ourselves is a little

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Speaker 10: different for black people. Black people have can are almost

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Speaker 10: every other group when the world places black people at

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Speaker 10: the bottom, really, when it comes down to it, uh,

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Speaker 10: we're we are unique in that regard. And if we

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Speaker 10: accept that, then we become our own problems. We become

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Speaker 10: our worst problems, We become the problems that we Your

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Speaker 10: previous dollar talked about uh, you know, land and property

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Speaker 10: and the black black farmers, et cetera. Now you know

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Speaker 10: why why did this society move against black farmers? What?

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Speaker 10: What's the same reason they did they brought us from

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Speaker 10: from Africa, the same reason that they came and stole

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Speaker 10: us from our culture. They want to inculcate into us

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Speaker 10: the idea that we are inferior. And they've been successful

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Speaker 10: at doing that. When you give black youth that you know,

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Speaker 10: the famous doll tests that that their good Marshall used

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Speaker 10: for example in the at the Supreme Court. I mean

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Speaker 10: today black children, if given a black doll and a

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Speaker 10: black doll, would more likely choose the white doll, just

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Speaker 10: like they did then back in nineteen in the fifties.

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Speaker 10: That our attitude about ourselves hasn't changed much. And we

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Speaker 10: have to start there about changing our attitude about ourselves.

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Speaker 10: We have to focus on that. We have to actually

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Speaker 10: and hold I.

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Speaker 1: Thought again, so how do we do that? You know,

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Speaker 1: it's twenty seven minutes away from the top. Let me

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Speaker 1: share this, I think, go ahead, So how do we

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Speaker 1: do that? Babl Lama?

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, we're actually doing it to some degree.

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Speaker 10: We we we have a lot more Africanness in US

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Speaker 10: at this point. For example, Kwanza has been I say

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Speaker 10: this all that it has been an important step in US

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Speaker 10: synthesizing what it means to be an African, putting it

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Speaker 10: into a vehicle that we can use to to understand ourselves,

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Speaker 10: so we don't have to say necessarily, I got to

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Speaker 10: understand what it means to be a Liberian, or what

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Speaker 10: it means to be a Chante or a khan, or

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Speaker 10: what it means to be a Yuropo or what we

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Speaker 10: can say that and those are things are beneficial. But

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Speaker 10: what Kwansa has done is synthesize what it is. He's

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Speaker 10: come up with seven principles that seven days. It's given

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Speaker 10: us a vehicle that we can use to understand what

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Speaker 10: it means to be a black person. I give you

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Speaker 10: an example, Jack LEAs, collective work, collective work in development,

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Speaker 10: that is to say, collective economics. Let's see what do

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Speaker 10: we mean by collective Well, we mean that Africans tend

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Speaker 10: to be communal in nature, that Africans don't in fact

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Speaker 10: allow kings with absolute power to develop. Now you say, well,

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Speaker 10: you know Africa was full of kings, Well yeah, but

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Speaker 10: they were controlled by their cultures. The King's never had

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Speaker 10: the opportunity to go outside of their culture. If their

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Speaker 10: culture and their ancestors hadn't decided what to do, they

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Speaker 10: couldn't do it. They also had queen mothers who had

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Speaker 10: power over them to some extent. They had counsel of

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Speaker 10: elders which advised them, and their advice wasn't just advice.

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Speaker 10: What they were told to do certain things, and their

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Speaker 10: culture confined them to a certain sense, and those things

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Speaker 10: tended to be communal in nature. They tend to be

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Speaker 10: for the benefit of the whole community, not for their

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Speaker 10: benefit personally. Which you've had in modern times is confusion

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Speaker 10: around that issue. For example, as people know, I come

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Speaker 10: out of Oakland, so I'm very familiar with the development

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Speaker 10: of the Black Panther Party. We saw the original Black

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Speaker 10: Panther Party, which was set up by Ram and Robert Williams,

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Speaker 10: become the Huey Newton Bobby Seal Black Panther Party, and

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Speaker 10: we saw the the the slogan of the party initially

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Speaker 10: being black Power because that's what you know, The Black

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Speaker 10: Panther Party represented Black power. Then we saw after after

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Speaker 10: Bobby was put out of at a party and hooked

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Speaker 10: up with Hughey and they developed the Black Panther Party

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Speaker 10: for self defense. Their power, their their slogan became power.

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Speaker 4: To the people.

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Speaker 10: What's the difference between black power and power to the people?

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Speaker 10: Power to the people means everybody. Black power means strengthening

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Speaker 10: Black people. This is the division that has gone on

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Speaker 10: perpetually in black people. Are we here to change the world?

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Speaker 10: Are we here to save our seth oaks? Are we

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Speaker 10: here to be a stronger people? Are we here to

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Speaker 10: be self? Where? Where is our focus?

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Speaker 4: Where?

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Speaker 10: What are we putting our emphasis on? Where are we

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Speaker 10: actually trying to become, become and achieved through our movement?

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Speaker 10: Is it to save the world or is it to

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Speaker 10: save ourselves? I suspect that it should be a movement

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Speaker 10: to save ourselves? Now the reality is saving ourselves will

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Speaker 10: in fact save the save the world because we're the

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Speaker 10: ones who are most caraled, We're the ones who are

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Speaker 10: treated the worst. We're the ones who have gone glown

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Speaker 10: through right and hold that.

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Speaker 1: Thought right there, babbla la bumba. We got to step

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Speaker 1: aside for a few moments, so we come back out.

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Speaker 1: You finish your thought, and we got some folks got

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Speaker 1: questions for you. Family, YouTube can join this conversation with

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Speaker 1: Baba Lamumba. He works out of a Moja house in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. It's all about grills elders and they have

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Speaker 1: a council of elders there and this is why they

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Speaker 1: come up with these discussions and they pass it on

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Speaker 1: to us on the radio. You can reach them at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and

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Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

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Speaker 1: thanks for staying with us on this Tuesday morning here

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Speaker 1: at nineteen minutes away from the top. They are with

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Speaker 1: our guest to Babla La Mumba. So mention, Babba Lamumba

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Speaker 1: is one of our grills and he works out of

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Speaker 1: Emoja house in Washington DC. Bullding is defining freedom. What

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Speaker 1: is freedom? What does freedom mean for you? Reach out

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Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight seventy six. Before we go back to Baba la Momba.

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Speaker 1: Let me just hip you to some of the folks

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Speaker 1: are going to stop buying in this coming week. Morgan

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Speaker 1: State University professor doctor Ray Wimbush will be here also.

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Speaker 1: We're going to speak with sister hill A, Sister Philly

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Speaker 1: from the one Million Women's March who's going to join.

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Speaker 1: She's going to tell us about that celebration that anniversary.

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Speaker 1: Also economist the doctor Julianne Malva will join us. Also

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Speaker 1: Black Women for Positive Changes, doctor Stephanie Myers. Also doctor

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Speaker 1: cam Bourne's going to reach out to us from Ghana.

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Speaker 1: He's going to preview a film festival and also a

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Speaker 1: Black Power conference is going to take place in Ghana.

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Speaker 1: So all these folks are coming up with Lady this week.

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Speaker 1: So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep

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Speaker 1: you ready to Indian real tight to ten ten WLB,

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Speaker 1: or if you're in the DMV family, we're of fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifty WL. All right, Baba Lahoma, I'll let you finish

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Speaker 1: your thought that we got some folks got questions for you.

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, let's ring questions on and I probably

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Speaker 10: can make my point in trying to answer the questions

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Speaker 10: that people they have.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Cool seventeen away from the top of the mail

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Speaker 1: has called from Baltimore. He's online too. Meldon, your question

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Speaker 1: for Baba la Mumba is Meldon the line too. Melbourn's

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Speaker 1: gone all right, let's go to brother Carlie then online three,

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Speaker 1: Brother collis your question for Baba la Mumba.

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Speaker 20: Thank you, Thank you very much, carl And I love

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Speaker 20: Babla la Mumba. But I want, I want to really

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Speaker 20: really penetrate this idea that America is not as is

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Speaker 20: not as racist as hell to the very very core

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Speaker 20: of this sixth existence. And I want to just cite

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Speaker 20: a few examples. How is it that America can call

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Speaker 20: Martin Luther king Martin Luther kun? How can they call

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Speaker 20: uh Barack Obama curius George? How can they refer to

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Speaker 20: Michelle Obama as an ape in white in high heels,

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Speaker 20: and Steve Harry, who has millions of dollars as a

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Speaker 20: monkey in a suit, and so forth? And I think

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Speaker 20: we have to face the reality that Amla Harris, I agree,

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Speaker 20: should not have been the candidate because they were not

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Speaker 20: going to elect a black woman to as president. And

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Speaker 20: America is again not only racist, but misogynists to the

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Speaker 20: very very core. And I've always asked the questions, why

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Speaker 20: do they hate us so much? And I think we

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Speaker 20: have to come to that reality blah blah moment. That's

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Speaker 20: my particular opinion. What is your take, my dear brother, well,

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Speaker 20: you let.

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Speaker 10: Me just say this. I think the problem with white

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Speaker 10: folks in general, and I think is not only in

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Speaker 10: American white folks, for Europeans, which is their origins where

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Speaker 10: they come from, is their insecurity. They have to control

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Speaker 10: everything to feel secure. They feel threatened when they don't control.

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Speaker 10: They are an insecure people, and that that develops and

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Speaker 10: manifests itself in the ways that you've talked about. We

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Speaker 10: are the ones that they are. Their insecurity is most

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Speaker 10: intensely directed at because we're the ones. First of all,

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Speaker 10: they're you know, we're almost the opposite we we're we

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Speaker 10: are the original human beings. They came from us, uh

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Speaker 10: you know, we're Africa's where humanity began.

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Speaker 17: Uh.

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Speaker 10: So you know they are an extreme they have developed.

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Speaker 10: Now how and why? That's that's that's another point. Why

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Speaker 10: are they so insecure? Why are they insecure to the

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Speaker 10: point of absurdity where they would say the things that

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Speaker 10: you you were just quoted and saying. But Donald Trump,

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Speaker 10: Now some of them, some white folks don't do that

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Speaker 10: obviously and don't say those things. But they've allowed the

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Speaker 10: ones who are more openly aggressed with Donald Trump's of

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Speaker 10: the world to have power now to you, and that

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Speaker 10: that shows that a significant a number of them feel

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Speaker 10: exactly the way you're expressing. But that is a madification

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Speaker 10: of their insecurity. Now, you know, you can use a

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Speaker 10: word like racism and and that's fine, that's that's how

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Speaker 10: it manifests itself as behavior that is reprehensible behavior and attitudes,

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Speaker 10: but it is fundamentally a problem with their insecurity, their

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Speaker 10: fear of others. You know, they're so rampant, it's so

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Speaker 10: powerful that it overwhelms them. Now, you know, you can

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Speaker 10: label it racism as want and that's fine, we can

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Speaker 10: use those terms. But I would make the contention that

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Speaker 10: their fundamental problem is a deep seated insecurity on this planet,

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Speaker 10: which leads them to try to control and exploit everybody.

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Speaker 10: And the people who they're most fearful of are us,

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Speaker 10: the people who started humanity, the people where humanity came from,

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Speaker 10: the Africans, the black African.

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Speaker 1: Let me here, Bubbama, because you make an important point here.

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Speaker 1: I thank your brother College for the question. But you're

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Speaker 1: saying what you're talking about white fragility, But do they

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Speaker 1: do they do they know that they came from us?

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Speaker 1: Do they know all the everything that we accomplished. That's

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Speaker 1: the first question. And the part two of the question is, yeah,

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Speaker 1: part two of the question why us? If we numerically

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Speaker 1: Hispanics and more, they've got more Hispanics on in this

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Speaker 1: country than black folks, So why are they still coming

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Speaker 1: after us? I'll let you respond to those two questions.

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Speaker 10: Well, the reality is that we're the biggest contradiction. Not

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Speaker 10: not only do many of their scholars certainly know that

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Speaker 10: they came from US. I was watching a TV show

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Speaker 10: on public television not too long ago, and they were

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Speaker 10: talking about the Africans confrontation with Neanderthals because Nandithals, you know,

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Speaker 10: there were human species prior to human beings that we

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Speaker 10: know they were. We're the Homo sapiens sapiens, but they're DALs.

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Speaker 10: Was one of the groups of human like creatures people

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Speaker 10: that roam there, and we're not associated or came from

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Speaker 10: Africa at a point in which they were disincearties. When

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Speaker 10: you look at other peoples of the world, when you

2356
02:11:13,560 --> 02:11:16,680
Speaker 10: look at the Asians and you look at the Europeans,

2357
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:19,920
Speaker 10: they all have about two or three percent Neanderthalt blood.

2358
02:11:19,920 --> 02:11:24,040
Speaker 10: But Africans don't. The reason they don't is because Africans

2359
02:11:24,040 --> 02:11:29,640
Speaker 10: didn't encounter Neanderthals until they left Africa, So yes, they know.

2360
02:11:31,640 --> 02:11:35,920
Speaker 10: But we represent the biggest contradiction between it. We represent

2361
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:40,320
Speaker 10: the biggest threat to them. We represent their origins actually,

2362
02:11:41,680 --> 02:11:44,040
Speaker 10: which they don't want to admit, that we are, in

2363
02:11:44,160 --> 02:11:50,040
Speaker 10: fact the original Homo sapiens safians. We are the human

2364
02:11:50,400 --> 02:11:55,000
Speaker 10: we are our genes are what makes up most of

2365
02:11:55,040 --> 02:11:57,360
Speaker 10: the world, or what came from us makes up most

2366
02:11:57,400 --> 02:11:59,040
Speaker 10: of the world. That is a point.

2367
02:11:59,320 --> 02:12:01,520
Speaker 3: I get that, and we know that, but do they

2368
02:12:01,640 --> 02:12:04,160
Speaker 3: know that? Though? Do the average white person know that?

2369
02:12:04,720 --> 02:12:07,480
Speaker 10: The average white person doesn't know that, and would would

2370
02:12:07,560 --> 02:12:11,920
Speaker 10: would shuttle, I mean, or would just cringe at the

2371
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:17,920
Speaker 10: thought that that we are their origins. But it's known

2372
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:21,280
Speaker 10: amongst white people. Clearly they're the ones who actually have

2373
02:12:21,360 --> 02:12:24,520
Speaker 10: proven that that's the case. And when you look at

2374
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:26,720
Speaker 10: public television. I was telling you the show in which

2375
02:12:26,760 --> 02:12:33,000
Speaker 10: they talked about the Africans UH confronting Neanderthals, the Africans

2376
02:12:33,000 --> 02:12:36,400
Speaker 10: that they picked it were black people. They weren't white people.

2377
02:12:36,760 --> 02:12:42,560
Speaker 10: There were black people confronting and and UH and and

2378
02:12:42,640 --> 02:12:45,360
Speaker 10: fighting sometimes fighting. Some they they're not sure how it

2379
02:12:45,440 --> 02:12:49,600
Speaker 10: happened who But in the fight between the Anderthals and Africans,

2380
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:52,880
Speaker 10: it was the Africans who won and ended up dominating them.

2381
02:12:53,280 --> 02:13:00,959
Speaker 10: But that also included some some misagenation which later appeared

2382
02:13:00,960 --> 02:13:06,560
Speaker 10: in the genes of Europeans. But yes, they know, but

2383
02:13:06,840 --> 02:13:10,680
Speaker 10: that only heightens their fear and their apprehension and their

2384
02:13:10,720 --> 02:13:18,160
Speaker 10: suspicion and their insecurity, if you will, because if they

2385
02:13:18,200 --> 02:13:23,360
Speaker 10: have to acknowledge that we are their origins, that we

2386
02:13:23,600 --> 02:13:27,200
Speaker 10: are the real essence of human beings, and that black

2387
02:13:27,240 --> 02:13:30,760
Speaker 10: people who lived in Africa we chained that essence. We

2388
02:13:31,000 --> 02:13:34,920
Speaker 10: are in fact the ones who produced everyone else. That

2389
02:13:35,120 --> 02:13:38,480
Speaker 10: is a position that they find it hard to grasp

2390
02:13:39,200 --> 02:13:43,080
Speaker 10: and won't grasp, because you know, they feel what they

2391
02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:46,200
Speaker 10: have brought, their light skin and their straight hair and

2392
02:13:46,360 --> 02:13:51,960
Speaker 10: whatever their thin nose is our positive attributes, and they've taught,

2393
02:13:52,040 --> 02:13:55,840
Speaker 10: they have convinced us that our attributes are negative, That

2394
02:13:55,960 --> 02:14:00,160
Speaker 10: our hair is not good hair because it's nappy, That

2395
02:14:00,200 --> 02:14:04,640
Speaker 10: our nose should be thin, that our skin is white

2396
02:14:04,680 --> 02:14:07,960
Speaker 10: skin is better than black skin. They've convinced us of that.

2397
02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:13,360
Speaker 10: So we live with the liability of feeling, of the imposition,

2398
02:14:13,480 --> 02:14:17,640
Speaker 10: if you will, of their values on us. And you know,

2399
02:14:17,760 --> 02:14:21,440
Speaker 10: we could ask me, there's a question I would do.

2400
02:14:21,480 --> 02:14:26,640
Speaker 10: We know, for example, that after segregation in this society,

2401
02:14:27,360 --> 02:14:31,960
Speaker 10: we built communities. There are black communities in this country

2402
02:14:32,680 --> 02:14:36,400
Speaker 10: that because of integration, we're undermined. Most Black people accept

2403
02:14:36,400 --> 02:14:38,800
Speaker 10: the fact that we were doing pretty well when we

2404
02:14:38,840 --> 02:14:41,960
Speaker 10: had black communities. And then when we started to integrate

2405
02:14:42,360 --> 02:14:45,080
Speaker 10: and we got the opportunity to go shop in white stores,

2406
02:14:45,560 --> 02:14:48,320
Speaker 10: we left our communities. We weren't shopped in their stores.

2407
02:14:48,360 --> 02:14:50,680
Speaker 10: What happened to our stores? Our stores got weaker, our

2408
02:14:50,680 --> 02:14:55,400
Speaker 10: communities got weaker, everything got weaker when we got the

2409
02:14:55,440 --> 02:14:58,400
Speaker 10: opportunity to be with them, Well, why did we think

2410
02:14:58,480 --> 02:15:01,120
Speaker 10: that was an advantage? Why do we think it was

2411
02:15:01,160 --> 02:15:03,280
Speaker 10: important for us to be with them as a way

2412
02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:07,160
Speaker 10: of moving ahead, Because we didn't. We don't value our

2413
02:15:07,160 --> 02:15:12,480
Speaker 10: own peoplehood. Our own peoplehood requires us valuing the uniqueness

2414
02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:15,800
Speaker 10: of us. We play down that uniqueness, We act like

2415
02:15:15,880 --> 02:15:19,560
Speaker 10: it don't exist. And when when we raise that question

2416
02:15:19,600 --> 02:15:23,879
Speaker 10: of our uniqueness, when we appreciate our which comes from Africa,

2417
02:15:23,960 --> 02:15:27,000
Speaker 10: which comes from things like kwanza, which comes from things

2418
02:15:27,240 --> 02:15:32,560
Speaker 10: that are important to understanding now value civilization, understanding our

2419
02:15:32,600 --> 02:15:34,880
Speaker 10: importance in the world thing understanding that we are the

2420
02:15:34,920 --> 02:15:40,800
Speaker 10: ones that are the original. All those things represent a uh,

2421
02:15:41,640 --> 02:15:44,920
Speaker 10: you know, a threat to hint them, a threat to

2422
02:15:44,960 --> 02:15:47,360
Speaker 10: them that they have to do. So their biggest threat

2423
02:15:47,560 --> 02:15:52,160
Speaker 10: actually comes from us. It doesn't Hispanics. Most Hispanics want

2424
02:15:52,200 --> 02:15:55,760
Speaker 10: to be white, let's face it, and most and some

2425
02:15:55,880 --> 02:15:58,880
Speaker 10: of them are white, you know. They they believe that

2426
02:15:58,920 --> 02:16:04,160
Speaker 10: the attributes of being white are positive if an attributes

2427
02:16:04,200 --> 02:16:10,520
Speaker 10: of being black or negative. Almost every parl believes that.

2428
02:16:10,600 --> 02:16:14,400
Speaker 10: And the problem is that we believe it too, and

2429
02:16:14,440 --> 02:16:21,600
Speaker 10: we labor under the the illusion of our own inferiority,

2430
02:16:21,720 --> 02:16:24,200
Speaker 10: whether we admit it or not. And we are fighting

2431
02:16:24,200 --> 02:16:26,800
Speaker 10: our way out of it. We're fighting our way very slowly.

2432
02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:30,600
Speaker 10: But our opposition is not only just white folks, but

2433
02:16:30,720 --> 02:16:34,480
Speaker 10: other people in the world also see us as less

2434
02:16:34,720 --> 02:16:39,000
Speaker 10: than they are. So, you know, all the only problem

2435
02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:43,000
Speaker 10: I had was using terms like racism and white supremacy

2436
02:16:43,800 --> 02:16:46,000
Speaker 10: is there doesn't get at the heart of the of

2437
02:16:46,080 --> 02:16:49,560
Speaker 10: the problem. It doesn't get it doesn't help us elucidate

2438
02:16:49,640 --> 02:16:53,959
Speaker 10: the elucidate the whole question of their sense of insecurity

2439
02:16:54,400 --> 02:16:57,080
Speaker 10: being essentially the problem that has to be overcome from

2440
02:16:57,120 --> 02:16:59,960
Speaker 10: their point of view, And and what that is imposed

2441
02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:03,720
Speaker 10: on us. Our sense of inferiority has to be overcome,

2442
02:17:04,240 --> 02:17:06,959
Speaker 10: and it has to be overcome through a construct that

2443
02:17:07,080 --> 02:17:12,160
Speaker 10: is essentially African, African and origins and nature.

2444
02:17:13,879 --> 02:17:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but our folks don't know that, and they and

2445
02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:19,200
Speaker 1: they don't know that. So, you know, the intellectuals on

2446
02:17:19,280 --> 02:17:21,920
Speaker 1: both sides know, but the average person, average black person

2447
02:17:21,959 --> 02:17:24,039
Speaker 1: doesn't know that. The average white person doesn't know what

2448
02:17:24,080 --> 02:17:26,840
Speaker 1: you're talking about. So how do we reach those folks?

2449
02:17:27,480 --> 02:17:31,280
Speaker 10: Well, first of all, knowing and feeling are two different things. See,

2450
02:17:31,440 --> 02:17:34,640
Speaker 10: you could know it intellectually and still act as though

2451
02:17:35,240 --> 02:17:42,360
Speaker 10: your inferior. In other words, most of us understand that.

2452
02:17:43,240 --> 02:17:47,280
Speaker 10: And let's put it this way. In this society, being

2453
02:17:47,320 --> 02:17:51,440
Speaker 10: a black person is a liability, so we and so

2454
02:17:51,640 --> 02:17:54,560
Speaker 10: the more we identify with other black people from our

2455
02:17:54,600 --> 02:17:58,800
Speaker 10: point of view, the more negative it has on our

2456
02:17:58,800 --> 02:18:03,480
Speaker 10: effect on our lives, on our ability. To those farmers

2457
02:18:03,480 --> 02:18:07,240
Speaker 10: that their brother who came before we talked about, you know,

2458
02:18:07,320 --> 02:18:09,480
Speaker 10: if there were white farmers, they could have got the loan.

2459
02:18:10,160 --> 02:18:14,160
Speaker 10: You know, now they were black farmers. So they even

2460
02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:16,320
Speaker 10: when they did end up getting the loan, the loan

2461
02:18:16,440 --> 02:18:19,040
Speaker 10: ended up being taken away from them because they were

2462
02:18:19,080 --> 02:18:23,279
Speaker 10: black because their origins were so being a black person

2463
02:18:23,400 --> 02:18:27,760
Speaker 10: has always been a actual liability in his society. So

2464
02:18:28,160 --> 02:18:32,119
Speaker 10: because it's an actual liability, because it causes us problems,

2465
02:18:32,920 --> 02:18:36,480
Speaker 10: we reinforces the notion that we want to shed ourselves

2466
02:18:36,520 --> 02:18:39,760
Speaker 10: from that blackness, We want to share ourselves from that identity.

2467
02:18:40,360 --> 02:18:43,440
Speaker 10: So our movement is based on shedding, to some extent,

2468
02:18:43,520 --> 02:18:47,680
Speaker 10: shedding ourselves from our own identity, which impedes us learning

2469
02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:51,320
Speaker 10: how great we are learning about how important it is,

2470
02:18:51,640 --> 02:18:55,040
Speaker 10: because how critical it is for us to learn. So

2471
02:18:56,240 --> 02:18:58,840
Speaker 10: it doesn't stop us from moving in that direction. It

2472
02:18:58,840 --> 02:19:04,080
Speaker 10: didn't stop Kwan's, it doesn't stop the people and the

2473
02:19:04,120 --> 02:19:07,840
Speaker 10: scholars who are teaching us about Nile Valley civilization. It

2474
02:19:07,879 --> 02:19:11,400
Speaker 10: doesn't stop us, but it impedes us in a very

2475
02:19:11,440 --> 02:19:18,279
Speaker 10: significant way because our everyday life and our advancement oftentimes

2476
02:19:18,320 --> 02:19:22,120
Speaker 10: depends on us creating a distance between ourselves and the

2477
02:19:22,160 --> 02:19:26,240
Speaker 10: rest of our people. That's why you get Clarence Thomases

2478
02:19:26,240 --> 02:19:28,920
Speaker 10: and all the versions of people of the Trump supporters,

2479
02:19:28,959 --> 02:19:32,800
Speaker 10: the black Thrump supporters, because they're trying to tell white people, no,

2480
02:19:33,440 --> 02:19:34,920
Speaker 10: I want to be with you, I want to be

2481
02:19:34,959 --> 02:19:37,879
Speaker 10: on your side. I'm on your team. I'm not on

2482
02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:40,280
Speaker 10: my team. I don't have a team, you know, is

2483
02:19:40,320 --> 02:19:43,240
Speaker 10: what we're saying. I'm on your team. What you want

2484
02:19:43,280 --> 02:19:45,360
Speaker 10: me to do, I'm willing to do as long as

2485
02:19:45,400 --> 02:19:47,480
Speaker 10: you pay me, as long as you advance me, as

2486
02:19:47,480 --> 02:19:50,520
Speaker 10: long as I get what I want personally. So there

2487
02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:57,600
Speaker 10: is this built in impediment to our unity, our solidarity,

2488
02:19:57,680 --> 02:20:00,920
Speaker 10: our connection with each other that is ongoing. We don't

2489
02:20:01,040 --> 02:20:05,640
Speaker 10: escape this, It's ongoing for most of us. Being a

2490
02:20:05,680 --> 02:20:08,960
Speaker 10: black person is a liability in terms of us, what

2491
02:20:09,160 --> 02:20:12,960
Speaker 10: we think, what we need and hold.

2492
02:20:13,000 --> 02:20:14,160
Speaker 3: I thought right there, babbl Lahoma.

2493
02:20:14,200 --> 02:20:15,720
Speaker 1: We got to step aside for a few moments so

2494
02:20:15,720 --> 02:20:18,080
Speaker 1: our stations can identify themselves. Down the line, I'll let you.

2495
02:20:18,600 --> 02:20:20,600
Speaker 1: I'll let you expound on that, because you're saying being

2496
02:20:20,640 --> 02:20:22,560
Speaker 1: a black person is a liability? What do you mean

2497
02:20:22,600 --> 02:20:24,800
Speaker 1: by that? And we got some more folks, got questions

2498
02:20:24,800 --> 02:20:27,080
Speaker 1: for your family. You want to join this conversation with

2499
02:20:27,160 --> 02:20:29,400
Speaker 1: our grill. Baba Lamumba. He works out of a Moja

2500
02:20:29,440 --> 02:20:31,760
Speaker 1: house in the district. Reach out to us at eight

2501
02:20:31,879 --> 02:20:35,000
Speaker 1: hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

2502
02:20:35,120 --> 02:20:36,560
Speaker 1: or three away from the top of the I will

2503
02:20:36,600 --> 02:20:39,680
Speaker 1: take your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising Family Facture

2504
02:20:39,720 --> 02:20:41,680
Speaker 1: rolling with us on this Tuesday morning with our guests,

2505
02:20:41,680 --> 02:20:44,080
Speaker 1: the Babbla La Mumba out of a moja house in Washington,

2506
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:47,119
Speaker 1: d C. Baba La Mumba's part of a council of elders.

2507
02:20:47,160 --> 02:20:49,720
Speaker 1: They have these discussions about our future and what we

2508
02:20:49,760 --> 02:20:52,360
Speaker 1: should be doing, and we come back and they hash

2509
02:20:52,400 --> 02:20:54,600
Speaker 1: it out on the radio and then you know later on,

2510
02:20:54,640 --> 02:20:56,760
Speaker 1: as some of you already know, we have a bunch

2511
02:20:56,760 --> 02:21:00,520
Speaker 1: of barber shops that listen to us and they have

2512
02:21:00,600 --> 02:21:03,000
Speaker 1: these conversations. They have it in the mornings when we're

2513
02:21:03,040 --> 02:21:05,120
Speaker 1: doing afternoons that do it. They'd be listening live and

2514
02:21:05,160 --> 02:21:07,400
Speaker 1: having the conversations at the same time. And now they

2515
02:21:07,400 --> 02:21:09,320
Speaker 1: tell me they listen in the mornings and then when

2516
02:21:09,360 --> 02:21:11,080
Speaker 1: they get to the barber shop that they continue with

2517
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:13,199
Speaker 1: the conversations. I know this one's going to be interesting

2518
02:21:13,240 --> 02:21:15,800
Speaker 1: for them. How do you find freedom? What is freedom?

2519
02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:18,560
Speaker 1: What does freedom mean to you as an individual? What

2520
02:21:18,560 --> 02:21:21,400
Speaker 1: does freedom mean to us as a people? So Baboloma,

2521
02:21:21,400 --> 02:21:22,800
Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought and we got some

2522
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:23,959
Speaker 1: folks got questions for you.

2523
02:21:25,040 --> 02:21:30,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, the conflict between what I need personally or what

2524
02:21:30,720 --> 02:21:34,520
Speaker 10: my family needs or what I think I need versus

2525
02:21:34,520 --> 02:21:39,119
Speaker 10: what your people need collectively is one that is ongoing

2526
02:21:39,160 --> 02:21:42,360
Speaker 10: and there's no way to resolve at at this point.

2527
02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:45,520
Speaker 19: But you know the.

2528
02:21:45,400 --> 02:21:50,600
Speaker 10: Reality is that this country is based on you, as

2529
02:21:50,640 --> 02:21:54,800
Speaker 10: a people supporting white people. It was set up a

2530
02:21:54,920 --> 02:21:57,600
Speaker 10: centeny for white people. That's who came here, That's who

2531
02:21:57,720 --> 02:22:00,720
Speaker 10: chased the Indians and killed them and took them away

2532
02:22:00,760 --> 02:22:04,360
Speaker 10: from took their land away from them, and got us

2533
02:22:04,400 --> 02:22:07,400
Speaker 10: to help them do that because that's what we did.

2534
02:22:07,480 --> 02:22:13,520
Speaker 10: Buffalo's soldiers essentially protected white settlers from the Native Americans.

2535
02:22:13,879 --> 02:22:20,000
Speaker 10: So we've always played the role of serving them, and

2536
02:22:20,080 --> 02:22:23,039
Speaker 10: that's what we were brought here, brought here to serve them. Well,

2537
02:22:24,160 --> 02:22:27,240
Speaker 10: they think that we should continue to play that role

2538
02:22:27,959 --> 02:22:32,520
Speaker 10: and that that's our place in this society. Many of

2539
02:22:32,560 --> 02:22:35,879
Speaker 10: us except have accepted that notion that our place is

2540
02:22:35,920 --> 02:22:39,000
Speaker 10: to support this society, to go along with it, to

2541
02:22:39,040 --> 02:22:42,400
Speaker 10: be a part of this, assimilate into this society as

2542
02:22:42,440 --> 02:22:46,120
Speaker 10: much as possible. Now, you know, that's how we live

2543
02:22:46,200 --> 02:22:53,600
Speaker 10: our lives, and we changed. That changes gradually, and you

2544
02:22:53,680 --> 02:22:57,640
Speaker 10: know it will continue to change, I would assume, But

2545
02:22:57,959 --> 02:23:01,440
Speaker 10: you know what what this Donald Trump has brought into

2546
02:23:01,440 --> 02:23:06,320
Speaker 10: play is the notion that it's not necessarily going to

2547
02:23:06,400 --> 02:23:11,600
Speaker 10: be Our quest to be properly assimilated as equals in

2548
02:23:11,600 --> 02:23:14,760
Speaker 10: the society is not necessarily ever going to happen. In

2549
02:23:14,760 --> 02:23:19,039
Speaker 10: other words, our status will always be that of serving them,

2550
02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:23,760
Speaker 10: and anything else from their point of view is illegitimate. That,

2551
02:23:24,040 --> 02:23:26,879
Speaker 10: you know, where we can't be allowed to pursue our

2552
02:23:26,920 --> 02:23:29,840
Speaker 10: own interests. We can't be allowed to connect ourselves with

2553
02:23:29,879 --> 02:23:31,840
Speaker 10: our own people. We can't be allowed to move in

2554
02:23:31,879 --> 02:23:37,240
Speaker 10: the direction which creates independence and solidarity amongst ourselves. We

2555
02:23:37,360 --> 02:23:40,520
Speaker 10: have to always support them in some form or fashion.

2556
02:23:40,959 --> 02:23:44,840
Speaker 10: That's what we're left with. Our definition of freedom can

2557
02:23:44,959 --> 02:23:48,120
Speaker 10: and not getting back to the original topic, Our definition

2558
02:23:48,160 --> 02:23:52,000
Speaker 10: of freedom can't be to continue to serve them. Just

2559
02:23:52,080 --> 02:23:56,840
Speaker 10: do better at get make more money at serving them,

2560
02:23:57,080 --> 02:24:01,520
Speaker 10: you know, be more cooperative, more more helpful to them

2561
02:24:01,800 --> 02:24:04,400
Speaker 10: than we are now. That can't be our definition of freedom.

2562
02:24:05,480 --> 02:24:10,080
Speaker 10: Our definition of freedom has to be strengthening ourselves, becoming independent,

2563
02:24:10,160 --> 02:24:16,920
Speaker 10: self determination. We have to replace the society. They're not

2564
02:24:17,480 --> 02:24:20,080
Speaker 10: join it as our future. We have to move in

2565
02:24:20,120 --> 02:24:23,519
Speaker 10: the direction which allows us to think about our own independence,

2566
02:24:23,560 --> 02:24:27,000
Speaker 10: our own solidarity, our own connection with each other, our

2567
02:24:27,040 --> 02:24:29,640
Speaker 10: own strength as a people, and that has to be

2568
02:24:29,760 --> 02:24:33,400
Speaker 10: worldwide because black people all over the world suffer from

2569
02:24:33,440 --> 02:24:37,360
Speaker 10: that same thing. Africans suffer from it, everybody suffers from it.

2570
02:24:38,320 --> 02:24:42,840
Speaker 10: We have to move in a direction and define freedom

2571
02:24:43,280 --> 02:24:49,640
Speaker 10: as the strengthening of our people collectively internationally and not

2572
02:24:49,879 --> 02:24:55,879
Speaker 10: just nationally. So you know that's demanded. That's the challenge

2573
02:24:55,920 --> 02:24:58,800
Speaker 10: for us. How do we live in both realities? But

2574
02:24:59,600 --> 02:25:02,480
Speaker 10: the real of our own independence and our strength being

2575
02:25:02,600 --> 02:25:06,320
Speaker 10: that reality that we ultimately understand, will solve our problem.

2576
02:25:06,800 --> 02:25:10,480
Speaker 10: What the reality of assimilation or integration won't solve Off

2577
02:25:10,560 --> 02:25:14,880
Speaker 10: on one, will that'll never happen completely, and two, white

2578
02:25:15,200 --> 02:25:19,640
Speaker 10: people will never be secure enough to allow that to happen. Uh.

2579
02:25:19,680 --> 02:25:22,800
Speaker 10: So they will, they will. They will do anything they

2580
02:25:22,840 --> 02:25:25,640
Speaker 10: can to stop you from having power over them.

2581
02:25:26,360 --> 02:25:26,600
Speaker 4: Uh.

2582
02:25:26,840 --> 02:25:30,800
Speaker 10: They they think you came in this world to serve them,

2583
02:25:31,080 --> 02:25:34,760
Speaker 10: to serve their needs, and there they will make sure

2584
02:25:34,800 --> 02:25:38,359
Speaker 10: that you continue to operate only in that in that framework.

2585
02:25:39,240 --> 02:25:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some real talk. Hold that thought right there.

2586
02:25:41,120 --> 02:25:44,119
Speaker 1: At six after the top down, Carl in West Palm Beach,

2587
02:25:44,160 --> 02:25:47,200
Speaker 1: Florida has a question for you. Is online four Grand

2588
02:25:47,280 --> 02:25:48,920
Speaker 1: Rise and Carl, you on with Baba.

2589
02:25:48,680 --> 02:25:52,879
Speaker 21: La Mumba, Grand Carl and Grand Resin Sam. I wanted

2590
02:25:52,920 --> 02:25:56,000
Speaker 21: to kind of interject the idea of education, uh, the

2591
02:25:56,080 --> 02:25:59,120
Speaker 21: word in the system that's set up that all of

2592
02:25:59,160 --> 02:26:03,240
Speaker 21: us follow in produced our PhDs, they produced our penps,

2593
02:26:03,280 --> 02:26:06,440
Speaker 21: our hustlers, they produced our drug builders and everything else.

2594
02:26:06,520 --> 02:26:10,320
Speaker 21: And we still we've got signals that we've been miseducated,

2595
02:26:10,400 --> 02:26:13,640
Speaker 21: but we haven't took the time to really incorporate the

2596
02:26:13,800 --> 02:26:16,360
Speaker 21: idea of a proper education into ourselves. And I wanted

2597
02:26:16,360 --> 02:26:19,360
Speaker 21: to know was what was your thinking as relates to

2598
02:26:19,640 --> 02:26:22,440
Speaker 21: the thinking of the human being, because education is what

2599
02:26:23,720 --> 02:26:27,440
Speaker 21: give is the server that gives it the opportunity to

2600
02:26:27,920 --> 02:26:30,120
Speaker 21: learn the word in doco. So I wanted to see

2601
02:26:30,120 --> 02:26:35,320
Speaker 21: how how do you insert the process of education into

2602
02:26:35,360 --> 02:26:38,480
Speaker 21: the psychology of a freedom.

2603
02:26:38,800 --> 02:26:43,520
Speaker 10: Well, you know, like most of our quest it isn't

2604
02:26:43,560 --> 02:26:47,360
Speaker 10: either or when we shut up black studies programs, when

2605
02:26:47,400 --> 02:26:50,640
Speaker 10: we challenge For example, in sixty eight one, students took

2606
02:26:50,640 --> 02:26:53,520
Speaker 10: over the Howard University Administration building. They wanted it to

2607
02:26:53,560 --> 02:26:56,840
Speaker 10: be a black university. They wanted to teach certain things

2608
02:26:56,879 --> 02:27:01,080
Speaker 10: that were favorable to black people, not favle to them. Well,

2609
02:27:01,280 --> 02:27:04,400
Speaker 10: we've we've been able to achieve some measure. We don't

2610
02:27:04,440 --> 02:27:07,520
Speaker 10: just go from one to the other. We still need

2611
02:27:07,560 --> 02:27:09,640
Speaker 10: to have jobs. So that means that they're going to

2612
02:27:09,720 --> 02:27:12,360
Speaker 10: have some control over what we learn.

2613
02:27:12,959 --> 02:27:13,160
Speaker 6: Uh.

2614
02:27:13,200 --> 02:27:16,200
Speaker 10: In order so that we can live in a society,

2615
02:27:18,280 --> 02:27:21,920
Speaker 10: we want certain level of education that is important. For example,

2616
02:27:21,920 --> 02:27:23,680
Speaker 10: if you're going to be a doctor, you're going to

2617
02:27:23,760 --> 02:27:25,560
Speaker 10: have to learn how to be a doctor. You're gonna

2618
02:27:25,560 --> 02:27:27,200
Speaker 10: have If you're going to operate or somebody, you've got

2619
02:27:27,240 --> 02:27:31,240
Speaker 10: to learn operation so that you're not going to uh.

2620
02:27:31,520 --> 02:27:33,680
Speaker 10: You know, when you cut somebody open, you better know

2621
02:27:33,720 --> 02:27:38,720
Speaker 10: what you're doing. So that's that's definitive kind of absolute education.

2622
02:27:38,840 --> 02:27:42,920
Speaker 10: That's concrete educate, that is providing skills. But then there's

2623
02:27:43,400 --> 02:27:47,640
Speaker 10: the aspect of education, which is attitude, which is perspective,

2624
02:27:47,640 --> 02:27:51,879
Speaker 10: which are values. That's the part of education that has

2625
02:27:51,920 --> 02:27:54,800
Speaker 10: to has to change. That's the part of education that

2626
02:27:54,840 --> 02:27:57,959
Speaker 10: we tried to change. That but independent black schools have

2627
02:27:58,320 --> 02:28:02,439
Speaker 10: attempted to address. Now we haven't done it as successful

2628
02:28:02,480 --> 02:28:05,400
Speaker 10: as we should because it takes money to have a school.

2629
02:28:05,760 --> 02:28:07,840
Speaker 10: You got to pay teachers, and a lot of black

2630
02:28:07,840 --> 02:28:10,000
Speaker 10: people don't have the money to pay teachers or the

2631
02:28:10,120 --> 02:28:14,160
Speaker 10: teachers are independent, you know, but there have been several attempts.

2632
02:28:14,160 --> 02:28:18,520
Speaker 10: So our way forward when it comes to education, like

2633
02:28:18,560 --> 02:28:22,120
Speaker 10: anything else, is incremental. It's ups and downs. We went

2634
02:28:22,160 --> 02:28:25,200
Speaker 10: through a period during the sixties and seventies where there

2635
02:28:25,200 --> 02:28:28,879
Speaker 10: were more independent schools being created along the idea that

2636
02:28:29,000 --> 02:28:32,240
Speaker 10: our schools have to educate us around the idea of

2637
02:28:32,280 --> 02:28:35,560
Speaker 10: our interests, our development, our growth as a people as

2638
02:28:35,600 --> 02:28:40,600
Speaker 10: being a primary purpose of that education. But you know

2639
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:43,800
Speaker 10: that is beginning to wane because of our lack of

2640
02:28:43,879 --> 02:28:47,959
Speaker 10: abilities to sustain those schools and those schools and abilities

2641
02:28:48,040 --> 02:28:51,879
Speaker 10: to come together to decide on the best approaches. But

2642
02:28:52,560 --> 02:28:58,279
Speaker 10: you know it really isn't either or we have moving

2643
02:28:58,320 --> 02:29:02,360
Speaker 10: from one system to a system that complements us, to

2644
02:29:02,400 --> 02:29:07,320
Speaker 10: an educational system that complements our needs. Is it will

2645
02:29:07,360 --> 02:29:11,600
Speaker 10: not happen overnight. It will happen in bits and pieces,

2646
02:29:11,600 --> 02:29:16,800
Speaker 10: and right now is not as strong as it was,

2647
02:29:16,840 --> 02:29:21,640
Speaker 10: for example, in the sixties and seventies. But you know,

2648
02:29:22,040 --> 02:29:27,520
Speaker 10: I agree education is a major factor in our needs

2649
02:29:27,640 --> 02:29:30,840
Speaker 10: to develop our people so that we can learn to

2650
02:29:31,000 --> 02:29:35,680
Speaker 10: operate in our interest as our primary concern, not in

2651
02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:39,200
Speaker 10: our personal well being being our primary concern, but our

2652
02:29:39,240 --> 02:29:44,840
Speaker 10: collective interests being our primary concern. Education is a critical element.

2653
02:29:45,160 --> 02:29:49,440
Speaker 10: But like everything else, it's going to happen very slowly.

2654
02:29:49,560 --> 02:29:51,320
Speaker 10: It's not going to be one day. We're not going

2655
02:29:51,360 --> 02:29:54,200
Speaker 10: to wake up and do that because all of our

2656
02:29:55,080 --> 02:29:58,360
Speaker 10: most of our students are going to be in public education. Well,

2657
02:29:58,360 --> 02:30:01,160
Speaker 10: how do you change public education when they control the

2658
02:30:01,200 --> 02:30:06,320
Speaker 10: school boards, when they control the government and stuff. You know,

2659
02:30:06,600 --> 02:30:10,560
Speaker 10: Donald Trump is teaching us that he can reverse all this.

2660
02:30:10,840 --> 02:30:13,920
Speaker 10: You take twenty to thirty years to make some gains.

2661
02:30:14,200 --> 02:30:17,120
Speaker 10: He comes into office and reverse reverses them in a

2662
02:30:17,160 --> 02:30:21,280
Speaker 10: month that took you twenty twenty five years to gain. Well,

2663
02:30:21,280 --> 02:30:25,000
Speaker 10: that's true of education. He's going to stop black studies programs.

2664
02:30:25,320 --> 02:30:28,920
Speaker 10: He's going to stop all the efforts that we made

2665
02:30:28,640 --> 02:30:33,520
Speaker 10: to integrate our education in terms of skills development with

2666
02:30:33,680 --> 02:30:36,800
Speaker 10: our proper education. In terms of our own attitudes, our

2667
02:30:36,840 --> 02:30:40,599
Speaker 10: own development, our own history as a people, our appreciation

2668
02:30:40,760 --> 02:30:43,760
Speaker 10: of ourselves as a people, he wants to stop all

2669
02:30:43,800 --> 02:30:48,040
Speaker 10: of that. Well, he's been able to put a serious

2670
02:30:48,160 --> 02:30:53,200
Speaker 10: dent in those efforts in a matter of months. The

2671
02:30:53,200 --> 02:30:55,800
Speaker 10: efforts that took us thirty and forty years to develop,

2672
02:30:56,080 --> 02:30:58,880
Speaker 10: he cancels in a matter of so we're faced with that.

2673
02:30:58,920 --> 02:31:03,600
Speaker 10: Really we have to for the reality that we're still

2674
02:31:03,640 --> 02:31:06,840
Speaker 10: in a position where we depend on them and we

2675
02:31:07,800 --> 02:31:10,000
Speaker 10: to give us some of the things that we need,

2676
02:31:10,080 --> 02:31:13,440
Speaker 10: especially in education, but they're in a position of power

2677
02:31:13,640 --> 02:31:16,480
Speaker 10: which allows them to negate those to take those away

2678
02:31:16,480 --> 02:31:19,160
Speaker 10: from us very quickly.

2679
02:31:21,120 --> 02:31:21,560
Speaker 12: All right.

2680
02:31:23,000 --> 02:31:26,520
Speaker 1: There, thank you, Carl. I've got some more folks. You

2681
02:31:26,560 --> 02:31:28,960
Speaker 1: want to talk to you, Baba, Let's go to Buffalo.

2682
02:31:29,000 --> 02:31:31,720
Speaker 1: Bob's there, he's online too, Boby. A question for Baba

2683
02:31:31,800 --> 02:31:33,680
Speaker 1: la Mumba, Yes.

2684
02:31:33,600 --> 02:31:37,280
Speaker 17: Sir, question in common Blessed Love Family. I tuned in

2685
02:31:37,320 --> 02:31:40,160
Speaker 17: a little late, but I think when he talks about freedom,

2686
02:31:40,200 --> 02:31:43,879
Speaker 17: that's a classic question that we've been asking every since BC,

2687
02:31:44,120 --> 02:31:48,480
Speaker 17: since before captivity, or so once the captivity began. One

2688
02:31:48,520 --> 02:31:51,000
Speaker 17: of the ways that it was classically tried to be

2689
02:31:51,080 --> 02:31:54,840
Speaker 17: addressed was a tune by The Dells, a tune called

2690
02:31:54,879 --> 02:31:58,160
Speaker 17: freedom Means. It was the title of one of their albums,

2691
02:31:58,640 --> 02:32:00,680
Speaker 17: and they said that freedom means is being able to

2692
02:32:00,680 --> 02:32:02,920
Speaker 17: say what's on your mind, to speak right out and

2693
02:32:03,000 --> 02:32:06,320
Speaker 17: talk about things you know that should be better. Freedom

2694
02:32:06,600 --> 02:32:12,040
Speaker 17: means into captivity. That's a classic also that once you're

2695
02:32:12,240 --> 02:32:15,520
Speaker 17: held captive, you know what freedom means, it means an

2696
02:32:15,520 --> 02:32:20,360
Speaker 17: into captivity. And when you talk about education, education is

2697
02:32:20,440 --> 02:32:23,360
Speaker 17: not something that just happens in schools or tuned by

2698
02:32:23,440 --> 02:32:28,000
Speaker 17: dead prayers. They schools too. They schools don't teach us crap.

2699
02:32:29,080 --> 02:32:34,760
Speaker 17: You know, education is a lifelong process, and you can't

2700
02:32:34,879 --> 02:32:38,959
Speaker 17: expect your enemy to educate you. To our freedom, you

2701
02:32:39,000 --> 02:32:41,080
Speaker 17: have to educate yourself. One of the things that Malcolm

2702
02:32:41,120 --> 02:32:42,920
Speaker 17: says we have to learn to think with our own

2703
02:32:43,000 --> 02:32:46,760
Speaker 17: minds and not let others think for us. So the

2704
02:32:46,840 --> 02:32:50,480
Speaker 17: idea that we still believe that they schools are going

2705
02:32:50,560 --> 02:32:53,160
Speaker 17: to educate us to be free people, a free problem

2706
02:32:53,200 --> 02:32:57,119
Speaker 17: productive people. Education is something that happens every morning, Monday

2707
02:32:57,200 --> 02:33:01,720
Speaker 17: through Friday in this classroom, and that's why people attend

2708
02:33:01,720 --> 02:33:05,560
Speaker 17: this classroom because it educates us and it's not their education,

2709
02:33:05,680 --> 02:33:08,760
Speaker 17: it's our education. But I think people need to stop

2710
02:33:08,920 --> 02:33:11,520
Speaker 17: and look back at some of the classic ways people

2711
02:33:11,560 --> 02:33:14,039
Speaker 17: have tried to answer that question what does freedom mean?

2712
02:33:15,000 --> 02:33:18,720
Speaker 17: And one of the classic things I'll repeat is tune

2713
02:33:18,720 --> 02:33:22,240
Speaker 17: into the dells. Freedom means. Freedom means being able to

2714
02:33:22,280 --> 02:33:24,480
Speaker 17: say what's on your mind, speak right out, and talk

2715
02:33:24,520 --> 02:33:27,920
Speaker 17: about things that you know should be better. So those

2716
02:33:27,920 --> 02:33:30,600
Speaker 17: are some comments I wanted to make. And you know,

2717
02:33:31,240 --> 02:33:38,000
Speaker 17: like the basic tenant know thyself self knowledge. You can't

2718
02:33:38,040 --> 02:33:41,520
Speaker 17: expect somebody else to teach you about you unless it's

2719
02:33:41,560 --> 02:33:45,120
Speaker 17: part of your family and people who love you and

2720
02:33:45,600 --> 02:33:48,240
Speaker 17: want you to know and be the best that you

2721
02:33:48,280 --> 02:33:53,360
Speaker 17: can for yourself. So I apologize it for tuning into

2722
02:33:53,360 --> 02:33:58,600
Speaker 17: the class late, come in class late, but thank you.

2723
02:33:59,480 --> 02:34:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, give a sharing that with us. So Bob Alumba.

2724
02:34:02,600 --> 02:34:03,879
Speaker 1: Any response to what Bob.

2725
02:34:03,800 --> 02:34:06,440
Speaker 10: Just said, Well, you know, it's it's kind of the

2726
02:34:06,600 --> 02:34:09,160
Speaker 10: same response that I had for the other caller. These

2727
02:34:09,160 --> 02:34:14,840
Speaker 10: things aren't aren't happen automatically, Yes, But in other words,

2728
02:34:14,840 --> 02:34:16,960
Speaker 10: freedom means a lot of different things, and they mean

2729
02:34:17,040 --> 02:34:20,000
Speaker 10: different things that different people. When we were where we're

2730
02:34:20,120 --> 02:34:24,600
Speaker 10: slaves working in the field, freedom meant just you know,

2731
02:34:24,720 --> 02:34:27,880
Speaker 10: not having to work through them getting paid. You know,

2732
02:34:28,000 --> 02:34:31,360
Speaker 10: freedom means different things to different people. But ultimately the

2733
02:34:31,400 --> 02:34:34,080
Speaker 10: goal that question I ask, what is our gold as

2734
02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:35,960
Speaker 10: the people not so much out? Do we get there?

2735
02:34:36,040 --> 02:34:39,840
Speaker 10: Yes we can be. Freedom is an individual but we're

2736
02:34:39,959 --> 02:34:44,119
Speaker 10: freedom is a collective thing. We are we are subjugated, bound,

2737
02:34:44,600 --> 02:34:49,680
Speaker 10: captured by a people. People. A raise of people came

2738
02:34:49,760 --> 02:34:54,120
Speaker 10: and got us and forced us to serve them. So,

2739
02:34:54,400 --> 02:34:57,240
Speaker 10: you know, getting out of that posture. Changing that posture

2740
02:34:57,320 --> 02:35:01,840
Speaker 10: means living a life collectively that doesn't serves their purposes,

2741
02:35:02,520 --> 02:35:08,080
Speaker 10: is what we're trying to achieve. Now that happens.

2742
02:35:08,080 --> 02:35:13,680
Speaker 17: There's also like to say, if Kim Bob, because I

2743
02:35:13,680 --> 02:35:16,200
Speaker 17: know I don't want to get cut off the uh.

2744
02:35:16,280 --> 02:35:19,720
Speaker 17: There's a classic book by Hakim Manabuti from Plan to Planet.

2745
02:35:19,800 --> 02:35:22,959
Speaker 17: He has an essay on their white racism, a defense

2746
02:35:23,080 --> 02:35:26,720
Speaker 17: mechanism for ultimateieval You talked about racism and who the

2747
02:35:26,760 --> 02:35:28,160
Speaker 17: so called white man is.

2748
02:35:28,840 --> 02:35:29,080
Speaker 21: You know.

2749
02:35:29,640 --> 02:35:32,160
Speaker 17: When he finally learned how to get off that cold,

2750
02:35:32,400 --> 02:35:35,640
Speaker 17: icy rock called Europe and began to go around the world,

2751
02:35:35,680 --> 02:35:38,720
Speaker 17: he realized that he everywhere he went, he saw people

2752
02:35:38,760 --> 02:35:43,840
Speaker 17: who had something he didn't have, color, melanation of various

2753
02:35:43,920 --> 02:35:46,440
Speaker 17: forms and shapes. So he went through a thing where

2754
02:35:46,480 --> 02:35:50,480
Speaker 17: he developed a defense mechanism to elevate his lack of

2755
02:35:50,840 --> 02:35:55,120
Speaker 17: melanin as a as an asset, and he created a

2756
02:35:55,160 --> 02:35:59,240
Speaker 17: defense mechanism so that he made himself special or in

2757
02:35:59,280 --> 02:36:02,640
Speaker 17: the minds of everybody he ran across. A white racism,

2758
02:36:02,680 --> 02:36:05,200
Speaker 17: a defense mechanism will also being all right.

2759
02:36:05,120 --> 02:36:06,840
Speaker 1: I tell you well, we come up on a break Bob,

2760
02:36:06,879 --> 02:36:08,160
Speaker 1: and I thank you for that comment. Out of that,

2761
02:36:08,240 --> 02:36:10,959
Speaker 1: Babbela Mumba respond. When we get back family, you two

2762
02:36:11,040 --> 02:36:13,720
Speaker 1: can join our discussion with our guests. Babbla la Mumba

2763
02:36:13,800 --> 02:36:15,800
Speaker 1: is a grill. It's one of our elders who works

2764
02:36:15,840 --> 02:36:18,120
Speaker 1: out of a moja house in Washington, DC and always

2765
02:36:18,160 --> 02:36:20,920
Speaker 1: has these thought provoking tomics for us to discuss. You

2766
02:36:21,000 --> 02:36:22,880
Speaker 1: want to reach us, hit us up at eight hundred

2767
02:36:23,000 --> 02:36:25,560
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six and

2768
02:36:25,640 --> 02:36:28,240
Speaker 1: well take your phone calls next family, Thanks for rolling

2769
02:36:28,280 --> 02:36:30,960
Speaker 1: for us on this Wednesday morning, Tuesday Morning part ME.

2770
02:36:31,040 --> 02:36:32,920
Speaker 1: Twenty one minutes after the top, they out with our

2771
02:36:32,920 --> 02:36:35,360
Speaker 1: guess the Baba la Mumba from a moja house in Washington,

2772
02:36:35,480 --> 02:36:38,520
Speaker 1: d C. Just had a comment from Bob up in Buffalo.

2773
02:36:38,640 --> 02:36:41,040
Speaker 1: So Bob, Babba lah Mama, I'll let you respond to

2774
02:36:41,080 --> 02:36:41,720
Speaker 1: Bob's comment.

2775
02:36:43,080 --> 02:36:48,280
Speaker 10: Well, let me just say this that you know, the

2776
02:36:48,440 --> 02:36:53,480
Speaker 10: best tool that we've ever developed or addressing the in

2777
02:36:53,560 --> 02:36:56,840
Speaker 10: these issues incrementally because we have to address them incrementally.

2778
02:36:56,920 --> 02:36:59,520
Speaker 10: We can't. There's not going to be any magic change.

2779
02:36:59,560 --> 02:37:02,560
Speaker 10: It's going to be a slow, gradual process. And the

2780
02:37:02,680 --> 02:37:05,320
Speaker 10: best tool to achieve that and to use that has

2781
02:37:05,440 --> 02:37:09,880
Speaker 10: been Quanza. If you're not making use in Quansa, you're

2782
02:37:09,920 --> 02:37:13,560
Speaker 10: not really using the tool available. You're just talking, You're

2783
02:37:13,600 --> 02:37:18,600
Speaker 10: just you know, Quanta gives us a framework for actually

2784
02:37:18,879 --> 02:37:21,920
Speaker 10: addressing We can bring Kuans into churches, we can bring

2785
02:37:22,000 --> 02:37:24,840
Speaker 10: them into we can bring the seven Principles into schools,

2786
02:37:25,360 --> 02:37:27,480
Speaker 10: we can bring them. If you're an artists, you can

2787
02:37:27,680 --> 02:37:31,680
Speaker 10: use those to to project your imagery in your art.

2788
02:37:32,440 --> 02:37:36,400
Speaker 10: If you're if you're involved with drug treatment or or

2789
02:37:36,480 --> 02:37:41,280
Speaker 10: rehabilitation in some way, you can use those and when

2790
02:37:41,360 --> 02:37:44,400
Speaker 10: Quanza comes, you can actually participate in otherm develop your

2791
02:37:44,400 --> 02:37:48,840
Speaker 10: own community. The best tool we have for addressing the

2792
02:37:49,040 --> 02:37:52,280
Speaker 10: problems that we face to this date, to this point

2793
02:37:52,360 --> 02:37:56,200
Speaker 10: has been the development of Quanza. And if we're not

2794
02:37:56,360 --> 02:37:59,920
Speaker 10: making use of that now, you know, then we're we're

2795
02:38:00,080 --> 02:38:05,160
Speaker 10: we're just blunt smoke. Even we're pretending to address a

2796
02:38:05,240 --> 02:38:08,520
Speaker 10: problem that we're not, we're not participating in using that

2797
02:38:08,680 --> 02:38:12,200
Speaker 10: which is available us to use. We have a tool

2798
02:38:12,480 --> 02:38:17,400
Speaker 10: that we can slowly use to develop uh and address

2799
02:38:17,520 --> 02:38:22,040
Speaker 10: the problem that start with our appreciation and understanding of

2800
02:38:22,120 --> 02:38:25,480
Speaker 10: ourselves as a people that connects us to Africa, not

2801
02:38:25,720 --> 02:38:30,080
Speaker 10: in the specifically in particular African tribes or African countries,

2802
02:38:30,600 --> 02:38:33,520
Speaker 10: but in Africa in terms of a synthesis of what

2803
02:38:33,800 --> 02:38:36,280
Speaker 10: what it means to be an African and how do

2804
02:38:36,360 --> 02:38:38,320
Speaker 10: we use that, how do we use what do we

2805
02:38:38,400 --> 02:38:41,879
Speaker 10: mean by cooperative economics? What do we mean in using

2806
02:38:41,959 --> 02:38:46,360
Speaker 10: an African language? Language is another important tool. Uh uh.

2807
02:38:47,040 --> 02:38:50,520
Speaker 10: Swahili suggests that I mean, Quanta suggests that we use

2808
02:38:50,560 --> 02:38:54,920
Speaker 10: Swahili as as our lingual franca. We if we took

2809
02:38:55,120 --> 02:38:58,920
Speaker 10: a quantsa to Africa, it would help Africans. Africans could

2810
02:38:59,040 --> 02:39:03,640
Speaker 10: use quantity unite themselves around their own around their own culture.

2811
02:39:04,440 --> 02:39:04,879
Speaker 2: Uh uh.

2812
02:39:05,480 --> 02:39:08,400
Speaker 10: You know, it was an important tool. And if you're

2813
02:39:08,440 --> 02:39:11,040
Speaker 10: not making use of that tool, then you're really just

2814
02:39:11,120 --> 02:39:14,000
Speaker 10: blowing smoke. Really, you're you're really not taking what we

2815
02:39:14,200 --> 02:39:17,360
Speaker 10: have to use that we that really benefits us, that

2816
02:39:17,440 --> 02:39:21,400
Speaker 10: really addresses all these fundamental questions, and that can be

2817
02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:24,560
Speaker 10: plugged into our educational institutions, our churches.

2818
02:39:25,160 --> 02:39:25,240
Speaker 2: Uh.

2819
02:39:25,680 --> 02:39:29,840
Speaker 10: Everything we do are your your bridge club, you're all

2820
02:39:29,920 --> 02:39:32,040
Speaker 10: of them could make use of the ghuza saba. You

2821
02:39:32,120 --> 02:39:36,160
Speaker 10: can talk about whatever you're doing to elevate black people,

2822
02:39:36,320 --> 02:39:39,920
Speaker 10: bring in the in Ghuza Saba, the kan principles of Kwansa,

2823
02:39:40,480 --> 02:39:43,000
Speaker 10: and it will and adopt them to what you're doing,

2824
02:39:43,160 --> 02:39:45,160
Speaker 10: and it will elevate you. It will put you in

2825
02:39:45,240 --> 02:39:47,480
Speaker 10: contact with what it means to be an African, what

2826
02:39:47,640 --> 02:39:50,400
Speaker 10: it means to solve your problems, and what that bridge

2827
02:39:50,480 --> 02:39:53,959
Speaker 10: is between your problems that you're solving and and your

2828
02:39:54,360 --> 02:39:57,440
Speaker 10: people's future as a as a collective future of unity

2829
02:39:57,800 --> 02:40:01,760
Speaker 10: amongst ourselves. You that is critical.

2830
02:40:02,520 --> 02:40:03,160
Speaker 9: And if to.

2831
02:40:03,240 --> 02:40:09,520
Speaker 10: Overlook that or pretend it doesn't exist us folly. It's ridiculous.

2832
02:40:09,680 --> 02:40:13,400
Speaker 10: It doesn't. It doesn't, it doesn't work. We have some tools,

2833
02:40:13,520 --> 02:40:15,519
Speaker 10: so let's make use of those tools.

2834
02:40:16,360 --> 02:40:16,720
Speaker 4: All right.

2835
02:40:16,879 --> 02:40:19,200
Speaker 1: Twenty five at the top of Marcus is checking in

2836
02:40:19,360 --> 02:40:22,400
Speaker 1: from MEMPHISI is online three grand rise in Marcus. You're

2837
02:40:22,400 --> 02:40:23,400
Speaker 1: on with Babelo Mumba.

2838
02:40:24,879 --> 02:40:29,120
Speaker 22: Yes, Carl and grand rising to the l Babelo mmbir.

2839
02:40:31,120 --> 02:40:36,000
Speaker 22: So you know, years ago I had the opportunity to

2840
02:40:37,040 --> 02:40:39,360
Speaker 22: sit at the feat of a jagna by the name

2841
02:40:39,480 --> 02:40:44,840
Speaker 22: of Robert is me Isman, DC's Harris. He authored the

2842
02:40:44,920 --> 02:40:50,800
Speaker 22: book Carlos Cooks and Black Nationalism From Govi to Malanco.

2843
02:40:51,160 --> 02:40:56,080
Speaker 22: You also alternat a little pamphlet carl The Usa, my

2844
02:40:56,400 --> 02:41:02,640
Speaker 22: larger prison. And you know, he said, the curriculum. They

2845
02:41:02,680 --> 02:41:07,200
Speaker 22: were trying to institute the curriculum of inclusion at that time.

2846
02:41:07,440 --> 02:41:11,880
Speaker 22: I think it was one mister superintendent Rupert Green, I

2847
02:41:11,920 --> 02:41:15,840
Speaker 22: don't know if Green was his last name, and he

2848
02:41:16,080 --> 02:41:19,120
Speaker 22: was trying to implement it in New York City. And

2849
02:41:19,480 --> 02:41:22,560
Speaker 22: one morning we woke up everybody a recompend said he

2850
02:41:22,959 --> 02:41:27,280
Speaker 22: dropped dead, just just the man was healthy. And when

2851
02:41:27,320 --> 02:41:29,000
Speaker 22: they said, oh, we're going to put this, try to

2852
02:41:29,040 --> 02:41:33,480
Speaker 22: put this in curriculum of inclusion, he just misteriously dropped dead.

2853
02:41:34,400 --> 02:41:37,439
Speaker 22: And the el I said, look, the curriculum of inclusion

2854
02:41:37,760 --> 02:41:41,080
Speaker 22: is like it's like you have a glass of cyanide

2855
02:41:41,760 --> 02:41:45,199
Speaker 22: and then you pour half out and then you fill

2856
02:41:45,280 --> 02:41:47,960
Speaker 22: it the rest, you fill it back with vitamins and

2857
02:41:48,200 --> 02:41:53,640
Speaker 22: juicies and whatever. At it's still cyanide. It's still poison.

2858
02:41:54,120 --> 02:41:56,400
Speaker 23: Then I asked the question, so why don't we have

2859
02:41:56,560 --> 02:41:59,680
Speaker 23: all these churches here, just like all the Jewish community.

2860
02:42:00,360 --> 02:42:03,200
Speaker 23: You know, they go to these seam public schools. They

2861
02:42:03,320 --> 02:42:06,200
Speaker 23: go to these public schools, though, but on the weekends

2862
02:42:06,440 --> 02:42:09,560
Speaker 23: they go to the synagogue. That is one tool we'll

2863
02:42:09,560 --> 02:42:12,039
Speaker 23: tell be used to these churches. So we go there

2864
02:42:12,200 --> 02:42:15,680
Speaker 23: and help to reorientate the minds of our young people.

2865
02:42:16,000 --> 02:42:16,160
Speaker 4: You know.

2866
02:42:16,720 --> 02:42:20,240
Speaker 23: But really I want to ask this question to the

2867
02:42:20,360 --> 02:42:26,920
Speaker 23: elder said something that was important. Should we try to

2868
02:42:27,120 --> 02:42:31,840
Speaker 23: continue to get along in this country for another fifty years?

2869
02:42:32,720 --> 02:42:33,200
Speaker 4: I should?

2870
02:42:33,280 --> 02:42:36,600
Speaker 23: We said, you know what, let us spend our energy

2871
02:42:37,320 --> 02:42:41,600
Speaker 23: and try to develop that continent there and giant hands

2872
02:42:41,640 --> 02:42:44,280
Speaker 23: our heart with our people and the continent because we

2873
02:42:44,440 --> 02:42:48,800
Speaker 23: know that our strong that Africa will make its stronger

2874
02:42:48,879 --> 02:42:52,560
Speaker 23: for black people. We make black people stronger globbody try,

2875
02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:55,240
Speaker 23: you know, because it's like this country is like we're

2876
02:42:55,320 --> 02:42:59,200
Speaker 23: running on a trademill every so halfull year run and

2877
02:42:59,360 --> 02:43:02,160
Speaker 23: then they take back the rights. Your run and they

2878
02:43:02,200 --> 02:43:04,720
Speaker 23: take back the rights. I think we spend too much

2879
02:43:05,120 --> 02:43:09,000
Speaker 23: time trying to get along with people who have demonstrated

2880
02:43:09,080 --> 02:43:11,840
Speaker 23: they don't want to get along with us. Our issue

2881
02:43:12,080 --> 02:43:16,880
Speaker 23: is trying to get along with each other. So, Ella,

2882
02:43:17,120 --> 02:43:20,080
Speaker 23: could you answer this for me? Should we spend another

2883
02:43:20,240 --> 02:43:24,640
Speaker 23: fifty years here in America trying to get along with

2884
02:43:24,760 --> 02:43:28,119
Speaker 23: these people who have demonstrated time and time and again

2885
02:43:28,440 --> 02:43:30,400
Speaker 23: say hey, we don't want to get along with you

2886
02:43:30,520 --> 02:43:35,440
Speaker 23: unless you're you at the bottom economically and socially, politically

2887
02:43:36,120 --> 02:43:40,720
Speaker 23: are perfect, and spend our energy to work with our

2888
02:43:40,800 --> 02:43:45,279
Speaker 23: people and the continent of Africa and develop a stronger Africa.

2889
02:43:45,800 --> 02:43:48,240
Speaker 23: And I'll hang up and listen to your response.

2890
02:43:48,879 --> 02:43:49,760
Speaker 6: Thank you very much.

2891
02:43:50,520 --> 02:43:53,199
Speaker 1: Hi, thank you Marcus BABLAMMBA.

2892
02:43:54,640 --> 02:43:55,920
Speaker 4: Well, let me just say.

2893
02:43:56,200 --> 02:44:00,680
Speaker 10: Again, it's not either or. I would agree with the brother.

2894
02:44:01,360 --> 02:44:05,800
Speaker 10: The emphasis should be on ourselves. Uh, but that doesn't

2895
02:44:05,879 --> 02:44:09,920
Speaker 10: mean we have to abandon And you know, for example,

2896
02:44:10,560 --> 02:44:14,320
Speaker 10: when you look at this downrump situation, why people are

2897
02:44:14,400 --> 02:44:16,400
Speaker 10: going to have to deal with him. We can't deal

2898
02:44:16,440 --> 02:44:20,080
Speaker 10: with him, so we we we he has to be

2899
02:44:20,160 --> 02:44:23,520
Speaker 10: dealt with. So you know, we we can't ignore him

2900
02:44:23,560 --> 02:44:28,080
Speaker 10: because he's taking away much of what we've gained. Uh,

2901
02:44:28,440 --> 02:44:31,320
Speaker 10: he's just taking that away from us. So and since

2902
02:44:31,400 --> 02:44:33,200
Speaker 10: we can't deal with him, we have to depend on

2903
02:44:33,360 --> 02:44:35,720
Speaker 10: them to deal with him, which means we have to

2904
02:44:35,840 --> 02:44:37,480
Speaker 10: in fact about it. If you have you know, the

2905
02:44:37,560 --> 02:44:42,800
Speaker 10: note King's Market participate. But I would agree with your emphasis.

2906
02:44:42,840 --> 02:44:47,600
Speaker 10: The emphasis just like Garby and and uh, Malcolm and

2907
02:44:48,640 --> 02:44:52,200
Speaker 10: have told us, has to be on Africa. But we

2908
02:44:53,120 --> 02:44:55,560
Speaker 10: we can't go to Africa with the mentality that we

2909
02:44:55,760 --> 02:44:59,920
Speaker 10: have going to Africa. Well, well, sometimes sticks confound our problem.

2910
02:45:00,760 --> 02:45:04,000
Speaker 10: We have to create a framework. That's why Kwansa is important.

2911
02:45:04,400 --> 02:45:08,080
Speaker 10: We need to take Quansa to Africa because Africans have

2912
02:45:08,160 --> 02:45:10,280
Speaker 10: to get along with each other. What is the basis

2913
02:45:10,360 --> 02:45:12,760
Speaker 10: for them uniting with each other? What is the basis

2914
02:45:12,800 --> 02:45:15,640
Speaker 10: of them? Because it can be, it can come from us.

2915
02:45:15,840 --> 02:45:19,160
Speaker 10: The whole Pan African movement comes from the X slave.

2916
02:45:19,640 --> 02:45:22,280
Speaker 10: It doesn't come from Africa. It has but the X

2917
02:45:22,320 --> 02:45:28,240
Speaker 10: slave has to go back with something to give something

2918
02:45:28,360 --> 02:45:31,600
Speaker 10: around something something. He can't just go back with what

2919
02:45:33,000 --> 02:45:36,440
Speaker 10: he learned in the white man's world, the attitude that

2920
02:45:36,480 --> 02:45:39,720
Speaker 10: he developed in the white man's world, because that's going

2921
02:45:39,800 --> 02:45:43,360
Speaker 10: to be distructive. So much of that is negative. So

2922
02:45:43,480 --> 02:45:46,040
Speaker 10: we can't take the negative back to Africa. We can

2923
02:45:46,120 --> 02:45:49,240
Speaker 10: only take the positive. How do we become positive whatever,

2924
02:45:49,480 --> 02:45:55,720
Speaker 10: How do we help Africa unite some of our people?

2925
02:45:55,800 --> 02:45:58,560
Speaker 10: Going back to Africa will be will essentially serve the

2926
02:45:58,600 --> 02:46:01,920
Speaker 10: interest of white people, won't serve our interests per se.

2927
02:46:02,720 --> 02:46:05,080
Speaker 10: We have to learn to serve our interests. We have

2928
02:46:05,280 --> 02:46:08,800
Speaker 10: to learn what it means to be That that means

2929
02:46:08,920 --> 02:46:11,480
Speaker 10: learning about Africa. That means learning what it means to

2930
02:46:11,520 --> 02:46:14,760
Speaker 10: be a live a communal life that we have to

2931
02:46:14,840 --> 02:46:16,480
Speaker 10: learn what it means to be an African. We have

2932
02:46:16,560 --> 02:46:21,640
Speaker 10: to learn we're carrying our traditions back to those people

2933
02:46:21,680 --> 02:46:26,200
Speaker 10: who have also lost much of our traditions, uh in

2934
02:46:26,280 --> 02:46:29,760
Speaker 10: a way that allows them to develop in a unified

2935
02:46:29,840 --> 02:46:32,280
Speaker 10: fortune because they have to develop. But in addition to

2936
02:46:32,440 --> 02:46:35,600
Speaker 10: developing their own countries and their own tribes, their own entities,

2937
02:46:35,879 --> 02:46:38,440
Speaker 10: they have to also develop their relationships.

2938
02:46:37,879 --> 02:46:38,400
Speaker 6: With each other.

2939
02:46:38,840 --> 02:46:41,280
Speaker 10: When we go back there, we have to be those

2940
02:46:41,360 --> 02:46:44,960
Speaker 10: people which which which helped them develop their relationships with

2941
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:47,959
Speaker 10: each other. That means we have to take kwanza back

2942
02:46:48,000 --> 02:46:50,560
Speaker 10: to them. We have to take what we learn back

2943
02:46:50,640 --> 02:46:54,200
Speaker 10: to them. We have to take in a not in

2944
02:46:54,600 --> 02:46:57,560
Speaker 10: a fashion that allows them to make use of that

2945
02:46:58,080 --> 02:47:02,160
Speaker 10: to address their their issue. One of the problems about

2946
02:47:02,400 --> 02:47:05,200
Speaker 10: why Africa was subjugated so much is because it had

2947
02:47:05,280 --> 02:47:08,400
Speaker 10: so many divisions. It was easy for white people to

2948
02:47:08,480 --> 02:47:11,920
Speaker 10: subjugate Africa because of the amount of divisions that existed

2949
02:47:12,000 --> 02:47:16,600
Speaker 10: in Africa. Time, those divisions have to be overcome, They

2950
02:47:16,680 --> 02:47:20,960
Speaker 10: have to be moved to Pan Africanism. How do you

2951
02:47:21,120 --> 02:47:24,360
Speaker 10: create a unity amongst black people. It's not just a

2952
02:47:24,440 --> 02:47:26,920
Speaker 10: matter of going back, it's going back with an attitude

2953
02:47:26,959 --> 02:47:30,039
Speaker 10: that helps create the unity that African needs.

2954
02:47:29,879 --> 02:47:30,600
Speaker 4: To be strong.

2955
02:47:31,120 --> 02:47:33,800
Speaker 10: African needs a unity that to be strong that the

2956
02:47:34,040 --> 02:47:40,240
Speaker 10: ex slave has an advantage in understanding. And Kwanza is

2957
02:47:40,320 --> 02:47:43,480
Speaker 10: one of those understandings. It is a synthesis of being

2958
02:47:43,560 --> 02:47:44,720
Speaker 10: what it needs to be Africa.

2959
02:47:45,400 --> 02:47:48,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, let me tell me here though, Bobby Lamumba,

2960
02:47:48,000 --> 02:47:50,119
Speaker 1: because you're hitting on some points here. Now we're twenty

2961
02:47:50,160 --> 02:47:52,760
Speaker 1: eight away from the top of that. But Africans have

2962
02:47:52,879 --> 02:47:56,160
Speaker 1: to learn how to live together. They've been they've been

2963
02:47:56,240 --> 02:48:00,160
Speaker 1: contaminated by this European mindset themselves and they're fighting each

2964
02:48:00,200 --> 02:48:02,600
Speaker 1: other and fighting over when you go to Africa that

2965
02:48:02,760 --> 02:48:05,840
Speaker 1: they want everything that's European. You know, want European clothes,

2966
02:48:05,920 --> 02:48:07,760
Speaker 1: they don't want they don't want where they're own closed,

2967
02:48:07,760 --> 02:48:10,360
Speaker 1: they want European languages. How do they get over that?

2968
02:48:10,840 --> 02:48:13,720
Speaker 1: And and can we assimilate with them before they get

2969
02:48:13,800 --> 02:48:14,080
Speaker 1: over that?

2970
02:48:15,800 --> 02:48:19,480
Speaker 10: Well, I think we have. We They get over at

2971
02:48:19,600 --> 02:48:23,560
Speaker 10: that through us. We're the ones that understand the importance

2972
02:48:23,760 --> 02:48:26,920
Speaker 10: of that unity. We're the ones that created pan Africanism.

2973
02:48:27,360 --> 02:48:30,720
Speaker 10: They didn't create themselves. It is the former.

2974
02:48:31,879 --> 02:48:32,359
Speaker 4: Slaves.

2975
02:48:32,640 --> 02:48:36,720
Speaker 10: It is the that actually produced the new movement that

2976
02:48:36,879 --> 02:48:40,400
Speaker 10: exists that that understands that the unity of black people

2977
02:48:40,840 --> 02:48:46,520
Speaker 10: is critical to black success and a black a struggle,

2978
02:48:46,600 --> 02:48:50,240
Speaker 10: a liberation struggle. So the we have the critical element.

2979
02:48:50,680 --> 02:48:54,360
Speaker 10: The critical element is their unity. There's the need for

2980
02:48:54,520 --> 02:48:58,600
Speaker 10: that unity, and how to bring that unity about comes

2981
02:48:58,920 --> 02:49:03,279
Speaker 10: pretty much from us. And that's why I talk about Quanta.

2982
02:49:03,360 --> 02:49:05,600
Speaker 10: Quansa is not used to talk about quants just an

2983
02:49:05,600 --> 02:49:10,680
Speaker 10: American Black holiday. No, Quansa is a framework for Pan Africanism,

2984
02:49:12,160 --> 02:49:15,800
Speaker 10: you know, and Quansa is not exclusive. We're not saying

2985
02:49:15,959 --> 02:49:22,120
Speaker 10: you need to replace your particular culture with Kwanza. We're saying, no,

2986
02:49:22,600 --> 02:49:26,040
Speaker 10: you need to just use Quansa as a way to

2987
02:49:26,160 --> 02:49:29,200
Speaker 10: connect your culture with all the other cultures while you

2988
02:49:29,360 --> 02:49:32,680
Speaker 10: still practice your culture, which is what we use here

2989
02:49:32,760 --> 02:49:36,840
Speaker 10: as a framework. That framework, that framework of unity, that

2990
02:49:37,040 --> 02:49:41,920
Speaker 10: framework of connecting yourselves without destroying what it is you're

2991
02:49:41,959 --> 02:49:47,640
Speaker 10: connecting without with only allowing them to relate harmoniously with

2992
02:49:47,800 --> 02:49:48,520
Speaker 10: another people.

2993
02:49:48,800 --> 02:49:49,800
Speaker 23: We have to have that.

2994
02:49:49,959 --> 02:49:52,520
Speaker 10: We have to have a harmonious connection between each other

2995
02:49:52,840 --> 02:49:57,560
Speaker 10: in order to be strong. And that harmonious connection can't

2996
02:49:57,640 --> 02:50:01,119
Speaker 10: come from people who understand the importance of the harmonious connection,

2997
02:50:01,480 --> 02:50:04,840
Speaker 10: which is what the X slave, which is us over here.

2998
02:50:05,440 --> 02:50:08,160
Speaker 10: Whether you're from the Caribbean or whether you're from North

2999
02:50:08,200 --> 02:50:11,920
Speaker 10: America or where you're from, you understand the importance that

3000
02:50:12,000 --> 02:50:14,800
Speaker 10: black people have to have unity and we and the

3001
02:50:14,959 --> 02:50:18,120
Speaker 10: vehicles for that unity are pretty much come from us.

3002
02:50:18,760 --> 02:50:21,160
Speaker 10: They don't come from the people who are immersed in

3003
02:50:21,280 --> 02:50:24,520
Speaker 10: those in the differences. People who are immersed in those

3004
02:50:24,600 --> 02:50:30,200
Speaker 10: differences will will fight each other about those differences. When

3005
02:50:30,280 --> 02:50:33,120
Speaker 10: we come along, we we give them the opportunities to

3006
02:50:33,240 --> 02:50:36,760
Speaker 10: cooperate with each other, the opportunity to connect with each other,

3007
02:50:37,040 --> 02:50:42,560
Speaker 10: the authorities to complement each other while retaining those separate identities.

3008
02:50:43,120 --> 02:50:47,000
Speaker 10: We have to learn how to cooperate with each other, uh,

3009
02:50:47,920 --> 02:50:53,680
Speaker 10: while retaining our our identity are separate identities. So you

3010
02:50:53,800 --> 02:50:57,120
Speaker 10: know that's the meaning of us. That's how that's the formula,

3011
02:50:57,320 --> 02:51:01,280
Speaker 10: if you will, for our success, the formula for our successes. Yes,

3012
02:51:02,120 --> 02:51:04,800
Speaker 10: us going back to the continent of Africa with something

3013
02:51:04,879 --> 02:51:09,480
Speaker 10: in hand, something useful, something beneficial, something that allows Africans

3014
02:51:09,480 --> 02:51:13,000
Speaker 10: to connect themselves with each other and with us that

3015
02:51:13,400 --> 02:51:17,720
Speaker 10: we're able to produce and understand and perpetuate because of

3016
02:51:17,800 --> 02:51:23,959
Speaker 10: our experiences and because we also understand that we understand

3017
02:51:24,080 --> 02:51:27,000
Speaker 10: the people who subjugated us because we were the ones

3018
02:51:27,040 --> 02:51:34,160
Speaker 10: who were directly oppressed, directly affected by that that we

3019
02:51:34,440 --> 02:51:36,920
Speaker 10: did not have a language. We don't have Most Africans

3020
02:51:36,959 --> 02:51:41,480
Speaker 10: can speak their own language and their colonial language most

3021
02:51:41,480 --> 02:51:43,080
Speaker 10: of them, some of them can speak three or four

3022
02:51:43,160 --> 02:51:47,200
Speaker 10: different languages. We're left with speaking only you know, English

3023
02:51:47,360 --> 02:51:49,600
Speaker 10: or Were or depending on them.

3024
02:51:49,720 --> 02:51:52,000
Speaker 1: Right right, and hold that thought right there, babelam, I

3025
02:51:52,040 --> 02:51:53,760
Speaker 1: gotta step aside for our last break and I'll let

3026
02:51:53,760 --> 02:51:55,760
Speaker 1: you finish your thought on the other side. And family

3027
02:51:55,879 --> 02:51:58,040
Speaker 1: is twenty four minutes away from the topia. I guess

3028
02:51:58,080 --> 02:52:01,000
Speaker 1: there's grill Baba la Mumba works Emoja House, one of

3029
02:52:01,040 --> 02:52:03,960
Speaker 1: our elders in Washington, d C. If you want to

3030
02:52:04,040 --> 02:52:06,400
Speaker 1: join this conversation, reach out to us at eight hundred

3031
02:52:06,480 --> 02:52:09,280
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

3032
02:52:09,320 --> 02:52:12,360
Speaker 1: take your phone calls next And Grand Rising family, thanks

3033
02:52:12,400 --> 02:52:14,600
Speaker 1: for sticking with us on this Tuesday morning. I guess

3034
02:52:14,640 --> 02:52:17,119
Speaker 1: there is a Babba Lamomba out of Emoja House in Washington,

3035
02:52:17,240 --> 02:52:20,680
Speaker 1: d C. Baba Baba Lamumba is one of our grills.

3036
02:52:20,760 --> 02:52:23,120
Speaker 1: You know, the Council of Elders. They have these discussions

3037
02:52:23,240 --> 02:52:25,520
Speaker 1: these thought provoking discussions and they bring them back to

3038
02:52:26,200 --> 02:52:28,160
Speaker 1: have them out on the radio and find out what

3039
02:52:28,280 --> 02:52:30,720
Speaker 1: we think about them. And today we're discussing freedom. What

3040
02:52:30,840 --> 02:52:32,160
Speaker 1: is freedom? Both freedom?

3041
02:52:32,400 --> 02:52:32,520
Speaker 9: To you?

3042
02:52:32,720 --> 02:52:33,080
Speaker 3: Freedom?

3043
02:52:33,360 --> 02:52:35,880
Speaker 1: Why is it so important? You want to join the conversation?

3044
02:52:36,040 --> 02:52:37,760
Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

3045
02:52:37,879 --> 02:52:40,880
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six. Baba Looma, i'mna. Let you

3046
02:52:40,920 --> 02:52:42,880
Speaker 1: finish your thought then see and Atlanta has a question

3047
02:52:43,000 --> 02:52:43,760
Speaker 1: or a comment for you.

3048
02:52:44,280 --> 02:52:47,600
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, let's let's go with the question of comment.

3049
02:52:47,760 --> 02:52:50,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to see online too, see Grand Rising.

3050
02:52:50,760 --> 02:52:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm with Baba la Mumba.

3051
02:52:52,520 --> 02:52:56,800
Speaker 19: Let's grand rising, gentlemen. Baba Lamooma. I wanted to first

3052
02:52:56,840 --> 02:53:00,600
Speaker 19: of all commend you on recommending kwans of being used

3053
02:53:00,760 --> 02:53:06,200
Speaker 19: in a diverse amount of ways within our community, because

3054
02:53:07,920 --> 02:53:11,080
Speaker 19: it is so significant and so powerful that if we

3055
02:53:11,320 --> 02:53:14,840
Speaker 19: just practice it within our families, if we just practice

3056
02:53:14,879 --> 02:53:19,680
Speaker 19: it within our communities, churches, businesses, etc. It will elevate

3057
02:53:20,200 --> 02:53:25,680
Speaker 19: our ability as a people to synchronize on values that

3058
02:53:26,280 --> 02:53:30,760
Speaker 19: ultimately lead to our successes of people. So I wanted

3059
02:53:30,800 --> 02:53:33,959
Speaker 19: to compliment you on that as vitally important. The other

3060
02:53:34,040 --> 02:53:36,200
Speaker 19: thing is I wanted to ask you if you were

3061
02:53:36,280 --> 02:53:40,520
Speaker 19: familiar with the butterfly effect, And basically that is that

3062
02:53:40,640 --> 02:53:43,720
Speaker 19: if a butterfly flaps its wings on the opposite side

3063
02:53:43,720 --> 02:53:47,640
Speaker 19: of the globe, it has an impact throughout the globe

3064
02:53:48,080 --> 02:53:53,520
Speaker 19: that it self in the energy and the elements of

3065
02:53:53,640 --> 02:53:57,800
Speaker 19: the planet through the wind. And it has been proven

3066
02:53:57,879 --> 02:54:01,200
Speaker 19: that that is the case. Now, how that relates to

3067
02:54:01,480 --> 02:54:06,320
Speaker 19: what I'm recognizing is that when I went to Africa

3068
02:54:06,360 --> 02:54:09,920
Speaker 19: in nineteen ninety nine, I was met by a brother

3069
02:54:10,040 --> 02:54:13,040
Speaker 19: there who helped me honor my ancestors for returning to

3070
02:54:13,160 --> 02:54:17,080
Speaker 19: the motherland through the spirit of sank Copa, and he

3071
02:54:17,400 --> 02:54:23,280
Speaker 19: used kwanza as a practice and process to honor the

3072
02:54:23,440 --> 02:54:28,960
Speaker 19: ancestors and to honor my ancestors. So I actually was

3073
02:54:29,760 --> 02:54:33,520
Speaker 19: advised through the spirit of San Copha to take soil

3074
02:54:33,720 --> 02:54:37,080
Speaker 19: from the graves of my ancestors in America back to

3075
02:54:37,200 --> 02:54:40,240
Speaker 19: the Motherland. When I got there, I met a brother

3076
02:54:40,320 --> 02:54:44,320
Speaker 19: who carried my family name. Because he carried my family name,

3077
02:54:44,440 --> 02:54:50,080
Speaker 19: we immediately connected and he used kwanza because he was

3078
02:54:50,840 --> 02:54:55,400
Speaker 19: at that location in the Gambia the caretaker of the

3079
02:54:55,480 --> 02:54:59,480
Speaker 19: ancestral burial ground there, and he used kwanza and the

3080
02:54:59,560 --> 02:55:05,240
Speaker 19: principal the Nguzu Sava to honor the ancestors that I

3081
02:55:05,440 --> 02:55:10,640
Speaker 19: was representing, bringing back soil from their grades to the motherland.

3082
02:55:12,720 --> 02:55:17,280
Speaker 3: That's a great story. If that was the Gambia you said, see, yes,

3083
02:55:17,400 --> 02:55:20,880
Speaker 3: it was Gambia. All right, Baba, thanks you.

3084
02:55:21,520 --> 02:55:21,680
Speaker 19: Yeah.

3085
02:55:22,360 --> 02:55:25,680
Speaker 10: I think it's quite quite a wonderful testimony. Brother, it

3086
02:55:25,760 --> 02:55:29,800
Speaker 10: is exactly what I'm saying. I appreciate you understanding, and

3087
02:55:29,959 --> 02:55:33,520
Speaker 10: you've lived through You've seen it happen. You've seen our

3088
02:55:33,680 --> 02:55:37,320
Speaker 10: people on the continent making use of the tools that

3089
02:55:37,440 --> 02:55:41,680
Speaker 10: we provided for them, and you know so wonderful. Thank

3090
02:55:41,720 --> 02:55:44,440
Speaker 10: you for that that call. Thank you for that testimony

3091
02:55:44,879 --> 02:55:47,800
Speaker 10: because it makes you very clear exactly what I'm saying.

3092
02:55:48,480 --> 02:55:50,480
Speaker 10: Use the tools we got kwans is one of the

3093
02:55:50,520 --> 02:55:53,879
Speaker 10: most powerful tools that we have at this point in time.

3094
02:55:54,080 --> 02:55:57,600
Speaker 10: So thank you very much. I appreciate your comments.

3095
02:55:59,560 --> 02:56:02,320
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, and I got a tweet question for

3096
02:56:02,360 --> 02:56:03,720
Speaker 1: a thank you. See, and let me see if I

3097
02:56:03,760 --> 02:56:06,440
Speaker 1: can pull up pull up this tree. It's kind of

3098
02:56:06,480 --> 02:56:09,280
Speaker 1: line to following it. Tudor says up asked the question,

3099
02:56:09,360 --> 02:56:10,920
Speaker 1: Baba la Mumba, what is it going to take for

3100
02:56:11,000 --> 02:56:14,040
Speaker 1: black people to come together? Tweet to say, should be

3101
02:56:14,120 --> 02:56:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, brander to help John Boyd. He's the black farmers.

3102
02:56:17,760 --> 02:56:19,840
Speaker 1: We should be giving him cash on to the mattress.

3103
02:56:19,920 --> 02:56:23,120
Speaker 1: We should be coming together to survive this administration. We

3104
02:56:23,200 --> 02:56:27,040
Speaker 1: should be moving our children to culture schools. We should

3105
02:56:27,080 --> 02:56:29,520
Speaker 1: spend our black dollars among each other. I don't care

3106
02:56:29,520 --> 02:56:33,640
Speaker 1: about these other people. So there's a lot of comments there, Babayloma.

3107
02:56:33,680 --> 02:56:36,279
Speaker 1: You can respond to anything in that particular comment.

3108
02:56:38,080 --> 02:56:43,000
Speaker 10: Well, you know, I think you've expressed a lesson, well learned.

3109
02:56:43,200 --> 02:56:46,640
Speaker 10: You know, how do we do it? Well, the only

3110
02:56:46,680 --> 02:56:49,800
Speaker 10: thing I'm concretely telling you was one make you some quanta,

3111
02:56:50,000 --> 02:56:53,920
Speaker 10: just like the brother called before said, very very important

3112
02:56:55,800 --> 02:56:56,640
Speaker 10: tool that we have.

3113
02:56:57,480 --> 02:56:57,600
Speaker 9: Uh.

3114
02:56:57,879 --> 02:56:59,240
Speaker 15: And you know, uh.

3115
02:57:01,400 --> 02:57:04,560
Speaker 10: This just move ahead. You know, this program isn't about

3116
02:57:04,640 --> 02:57:07,520
Speaker 10: all the concrete ways we can do it. It's just

3117
02:57:07,680 --> 02:57:11,680
Speaker 10: about the need to do it. So, you know, we

3118
02:57:11,840 --> 02:57:15,760
Speaker 10: have to have a goal which ultimately focuses ourselves on

3119
02:57:15,959 --> 02:57:18,800
Speaker 10: our strength as a people, our identity as a people,

3120
02:57:19,200 --> 02:57:23,760
Speaker 10: and that our collective identity as an African people. It

3121
02:57:23,920 --> 02:57:28,000
Speaker 10: has to be reinforced, has to be promoted, has to

3122
02:57:28,120 --> 02:57:31,760
Speaker 10: be forefronts. You know, we're not free simply living in

3123
02:57:33,280 --> 02:57:36,440
Speaker 10: a socialist society. It's very interesting when you look at

3124
02:57:36,480 --> 02:57:40,400
Speaker 10: our history, for example, the country of Cuba, which has

3125
02:57:40,480 --> 02:57:43,640
Speaker 10: helped black people quite a bit. It is one of

3126
02:57:43,640 --> 02:57:45,400
Speaker 10: the things I wanted to say before I got off

3127
02:57:45,440 --> 02:57:48,520
Speaker 10: the air was that when you look at Cuba, it's

3128
02:57:48,640 --> 02:57:52,920
Speaker 10: very interesting. It's also provided some confusion. Many of our

3129
02:57:53,000 --> 02:57:56,840
Speaker 10: people think that simply living in a socialist society that's freedom. Well,

3130
02:57:57,040 --> 02:57:59,680
Speaker 10: you know, not really for black people. Cuba is about

3131
02:57:59,720 --> 02:58:03,800
Speaker 10: six four percent black, and it's about this leadership is

3132
02:58:03,800 --> 02:58:10,160
Speaker 10: about twelve percent black. But you know, the Marxist definition

3133
02:58:11,240 --> 02:58:16,320
Speaker 10: of free, the so called dictatorship of the proletariat. That

3134
02:58:16,600 --> 02:58:19,480
Speaker 10: has created confusion in terms of our goal. You know,

3135
02:58:19,640 --> 02:58:23,120
Speaker 10: for some for some of our people, our goal is

3136
02:58:23,200 --> 02:58:25,880
Speaker 10: to just live in a socialist society and our problems

3137
02:58:25,920 --> 02:58:29,080
Speaker 10: are solved. Well, that's that's not the problems of exact

3138
02:58:29,160 --> 02:58:31,880
Speaker 10: Black people are not going to be solved by living

3139
02:58:31,879 --> 02:58:37,960
Speaker 10: in an integrated community, living in a communist community, living

3140
02:58:38,000 --> 02:58:42,760
Speaker 10: in a socialist community. Those don't represent the end product

3141
02:58:42,800 --> 02:58:45,680
Speaker 10: of the goal that we represent. Our goal is to

3142
02:58:45,760 --> 02:58:48,480
Speaker 10: be a self determining people, is to use our culture,

3143
02:58:48,640 --> 02:58:53,680
Speaker 10: use our identity, uh to unite that identity into to

3144
02:58:53,800 --> 02:58:57,680
Speaker 10: a degree that that allows for that strength, the elevation

3145
02:58:57,840 --> 02:59:03,920
Speaker 10: of a total people. Now that's freedom. Freedom is our elevation,

3146
02:59:04,280 --> 02:59:09,040
Speaker 10: and as a people are our collective identity as a people.

3147
02:59:09,400 --> 02:59:12,280
Speaker 10: The stronger that is, the freer we can become, the

3148
02:59:12,360 --> 02:59:16,200
Speaker 10: stronger than we can become. And when we our strength

3149
02:59:17,480 --> 02:59:20,200
Speaker 10: as a people will not only save us, but it

3150
02:59:20,280 --> 02:59:23,440
Speaker 10: has the potential for saving the entire world. Sending the

3151
02:59:23,480 --> 02:59:27,480
Speaker 10: world in a direction that is sustainable, not the one

3152
02:59:27,600 --> 02:59:30,640
Speaker 10: that we currently live in, which is not sustainable, not

3153
02:59:30,760 --> 02:59:33,560
Speaker 10: the one that Donald Trump represents, which is not sustainable

3154
02:59:33,600 --> 02:59:37,600
Speaker 10: at all, which is reinforces the notion that white people

3155
02:59:37,640 --> 02:59:39,600
Speaker 10: should be on top and black people should be on

3156
02:59:39,680 --> 02:59:45,760
Speaker 10: the bottom. It reinforces the notion that that client that

3157
02:59:46,240 --> 02:59:49,200
Speaker 10: you know nature, we have to oppose nature as opposed

3158
02:59:49,200 --> 02:59:54,879
Speaker 10: to living with nature. It reinforces the notion that this country,

3159
02:59:55,280 --> 02:59:58,840
Speaker 10: or that human beings are on their way out, that

3160
02:59:59,000 --> 03:00:03,600
Speaker 10: they you know, technical has produced an environment that condemns

3161
03:00:03,680 --> 03:00:06,480
Speaker 10: us how many how how much plastic is in our

3162
03:00:06,560 --> 03:00:10,360
Speaker 10: body before we realize that, wait, maybe maybe plastic is

3163
03:00:10,440 --> 03:00:14,920
Speaker 10: something we we need to address or we can't address. No,

3164
03:00:15,080 --> 03:00:17,920
Speaker 10: obviously we can't address it. But many of the problems

3165
03:00:17,959 --> 03:00:20,960
Speaker 10: that we've created. Uh, and Donald Trump is here to

3166
03:00:21,080 --> 03:00:23,440
Speaker 10: make sure that the problems that we could solve, like

3167
03:00:23,560 --> 03:00:27,480
Speaker 10: climate change, we won't even address. We'll pretend like that

3168
03:00:27,720 --> 03:00:31,240
Speaker 10: they don't even exist. This is a direction that white

3169
03:00:31,280 --> 03:00:33,440
Speaker 10: people have sent us in. That the direction that you're

3170
03:00:33,560 --> 03:00:37,640
Speaker 10: being as euro beings have sent us in. It's self destructive.

3171
03:00:38,080 --> 03:00:38,600
Speaker 10: It's going to come.

3172
03:00:39,560 --> 03:00:39,880
Speaker 3: I get that.

3173
03:00:40,000 --> 03:00:41,720
Speaker 1: Let me tell me here though, and ask you this question.

3174
03:00:41,920 --> 03:00:43,440
Speaker 1: This is before we get out of here. I got

3175
03:00:43,520 --> 03:00:46,360
Speaker 1: to ask this question, what role does identity play in

3176
03:00:46,480 --> 03:00:48,600
Speaker 1: all of this? Because it seems like if you know

3177
03:00:48,720 --> 03:00:51,360
Speaker 1: who you are, you won't have a problem. But some

3178
03:00:51,520 --> 03:00:54,560
Speaker 1: of us we still don't know who we are, where

3179
03:00:54,600 --> 03:00:56,800
Speaker 1: we came from, and because of that, we don't know

3180
03:00:56,800 --> 03:00:59,280
Speaker 1: where we're going and any other road that they tell

3181
03:00:59,360 --> 03:01:01,840
Speaker 1: us that's the road we take your thoughts.

3182
03:01:01,640 --> 03:01:04,119
Speaker 10: Well, we have we have to start with the desire

3183
03:01:04,240 --> 03:01:06,600
Speaker 10: to know those things many of us. The reason we

3184
03:01:06,680 --> 03:01:08,560
Speaker 10: don't know it because we don't desire to know it.

3185
03:01:09,200 --> 03:01:12,120
Speaker 10: The reason we don't address those issues because we don't

3186
03:01:12,160 --> 03:01:15,280
Speaker 10: want to face them. You know, we want our new car,

3187
03:01:15,560 --> 03:01:17,840
Speaker 10: we want our new house, we want we want to

3188
03:01:17,920 --> 03:01:20,199
Speaker 10: do well. In spite of the fact that the world

3189
03:01:20,280 --> 03:01:22,640
Speaker 10: around us is collapsing the site of the fact that

3190
03:01:22,720 --> 03:01:26,360
Speaker 10: our people are catching hall. We we want to be

3191
03:01:26,520 --> 03:01:29,040
Speaker 10: the exception, So we go for the opie deals. We

3192
03:01:29,200 --> 03:01:33,480
Speaker 10: go for appeasing why we were joining them subjects we're

3193
03:01:33,520 --> 03:01:38,120
Speaker 10: going through accepting our subjugation as the framework for our future. Well,

3194
03:01:38,560 --> 03:01:42,199
Speaker 10: we can't accept our subjugation as a framework for our future.

3195
03:01:42,560 --> 03:01:44,840
Speaker 10: We have to we have to build our strength as

3196
03:01:44,879 --> 03:01:47,480
Speaker 10: a praate as a framework for the future. We have

3197
03:01:47,680 --> 03:01:50,680
Speaker 10: to in order for us to save ourselves, but also

3198
03:01:50,840 --> 03:01:53,760
Speaker 10: for us they actually contribute to the world. We have

3199
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Speaker 10: to focus on ourselves as a people and.

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Speaker 4: We have to learn.

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Speaker 1: Now, let me here again, Baba Lama. But the folks

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Speaker 1: are gone out on the plantation, the corporate plantation this

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Speaker 1: morning for survival. Do they have to learn how to

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Speaker 1: code switch? They have to know how to be black

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03:02:09,560 --> 03:02:11,720
Speaker 1: when they're at home with the homers. And once you've

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Speaker 1: got on the plantation or we move into the corporate world,

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Speaker 1: you've got to have a different identity.

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Speaker 3: Is that how we should roll?

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Speaker 10: Well, I think the ambiguity and the contradictions are there.

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Speaker 10: We can't avoid them. We're going to have to live

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Speaker 10: in this society so we do what's necessary to live there,

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03:02:31,560 --> 03:02:34,560
Speaker 10: but we wean ourselves off of the society. That's why

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Speaker 10: I talk about quanta so much. It's a way to

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03:02:37,360 --> 03:02:40,960
Speaker 10: begin to wean ourselves off of this society and move

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Speaker 10: towards where we're headed.

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Speaker 17: You know.

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Speaker 10: And for different people, it'll be different levels, it'll be

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Speaker 10: different things that we do. Some of us, for example,

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03:02:49,680 --> 03:02:53,320
Speaker 10: could try to introduce includes us off into your church.

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03:02:53,800 --> 03:02:56,040
Speaker 10: That will help quite a bit. Try to introduce it

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Speaker 10: into your schools. That will help practice quants at home,

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03:03:00,800 --> 03:03:03,800
Speaker 10: whether you you know, go to the corporate office or not.

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03:03:04,040 --> 03:03:06,600
Speaker 10: When it comes time for kuans that participate in it,

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03:03:07,240 --> 03:03:11,199
Speaker 10: have have have those meetings, can gauge in it, start

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03:03:11,280 --> 03:03:15,800
Speaker 10: the process. It's a slow, long one, but it's necessary

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Speaker 10: for you to pick what you can do and start

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Speaker 10: doing it. That moveses in the direction of strengthening black people,

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03:03:22,720 --> 03:03:26,000
Speaker 10: not strengthening your enemy. And even though that's that's how

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03:03:26,120 --> 03:03:28,120
Speaker 10: you might have to make your living, you might have

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03:03:28,200 --> 03:03:31,920
Speaker 10: to make your living in a world because that's how

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03:03:32,000 --> 03:03:34,520
Speaker 10: you pay your bills, et cetera.

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Speaker 23: But you can begin to move in the.

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Speaker 10: Other direction, the direction for self determination and strengthen black people,

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03:03:41,160 --> 03:03:44,000
Speaker 10: and you can take quans and make and allow yourself

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Speaker 10: to do that. Start the process. And you know, if

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03:03:48,480 --> 03:03:52,600
Speaker 10: you're you know your hair, for example, you know, at

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03:03:52,640 --> 03:03:54,960
Speaker 10: one point, I remember when when when I was at

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Speaker 10: Howard almost every one, almost every woman up there had

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03:03:58,760 --> 03:04:01,160
Speaker 10: straightened hair. When you go up the Howard's campus. Now

3240
03:04:01,879 --> 03:04:05,120
Speaker 10: most of the women up there have some form natural hair,

3241
03:04:06,400 --> 03:04:10,440
Speaker 10: you know, And that's an amazing change in that amount

3242
03:04:10,440 --> 03:04:14,520
Speaker 10: of time. We're beginning to look positively on ourselves, beginning

3243
03:04:14,600 --> 03:04:17,760
Speaker 10: to look in a direction that elevates ourselves as a people.

3244
03:04:18,480 --> 03:04:22,080
Speaker 10: And you and each person has to do that. Each

3245
03:04:22,160 --> 03:04:25,320
Speaker 10: person has to change and make use quantity for the

3246
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Speaker 10: process of doing that. Connect with other black people, you know, build,

3247
03:04:30,440 --> 03:04:33,840
Speaker 10: start building wherever you are. Don't worry about where you are.

3248
03:04:34,400 --> 03:04:38,600
Speaker 10: Don't beat yourself up for having succumbed to the white

3249
03:04:38,640 --> 03:04:43,640
Speaker 10: man's world, because that's that's how we live. But move

3250
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Speaker 10: start moving in the world. That's that's for us, for

3251
03:04:46,959 --> 03:04:50,960
Speaker 10: our people and for the world. Not for America, and

3252
03:04:51,120 --> 03:04:54,880
Speaker 10: not for the subjugation that Donald Trump represents, not for

3253
03:04:55,000 --> 03:04:59,160
Speaker 10: the subjugation that we've been forced to live under. H

3254
03:05:00,040 --> 03:05:03,440
Speaker 10: No matter where you are, let's start moving. Another girl,

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Speaker 10: I don't care where you are.

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Speaker 4: I don't care.

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Speaker 10: If you're the president of a multi meeting dollar white corporation,

3258
03:05:09,800 --> 03:05:12,760
Speaker 10: then you're a vice president if that's how you pay

3259
03:05:12,840 --> 03:05:16,240
Speaker 10: your bills. Hey, you can still practice kwanza. You can

3260
03:05:16,280 --> 03:05:18,760
Speaker 10: still get your family on the right page. You can

3261
03:05:18,840 --> 03:05:23,240
Speaker 10: still begin the process of becoming a greater and greater

3262
03:05:23,360 --> 03:05:26,440
Speaker 10: asset to your people rather than a liability to your

3263
03:05:26,480 --> 03:05:27,879
Speaker 10: people and your people's future.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this before we get out of here, though.

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Speaker 1: What you saw on Howard's campus, and I've been watching

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Speaker 1: college football quite a bit. I see some of the brothers,

3268
03:05:35,879 --> 03:05:38,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the brothers got dreads. Is this a

3269
03:05:38,720 --> 03:05:42,280
Speaker 1: resurgence of the Black power move in the sixties. Do

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Speaker 1: you think we're on the cusper of that?

3271
03:05:43,680 --> 03:05:43,960
Speaker 3: Again?

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Speaker 10: Well, I think that that we are. This generation is

3273
03:05:49,520 --> 03:05:54,480
Speaker 10: being inspired by that that generation, which is so impactful now,

3274
03:05:54,640 --> 03:05:58,920
Speaker 10: whether they're really incorporate, for example, whether we'll change the

3275
03:05:58,959 --> 03:06:03,280
Speaker 10: slogan for Black Lives matter to black power. But we

3276
03:06:03,360 --> 03:06:06,640
Speaker 10: were the Black Power generation, we weren't the Black Lives

3277
03:06:06,720 --> 03:06:11,280
Speaker 10: Matter generation. But you know, yes, I think some of

3278
03:06:11,320 --> 03:06:14,280
Speaker 10: that is going on, and some of the residual effects

3279
03:06:14,800 --> 03:06:16,720
Speaker 10: of what we did in the so called sixties and

3280
03:06:16,840 --> 03:06:21,520
Speaker 10: seventies is reappearing and its value is being understood. Yet

3281
03:06:21,640 --> 03:06:25,600
Speaker 10: we are appreciating ourselves more than we have in the past,

3282
03:06:25,920 --> 03:06:28,039
Speaker 10: and we need to continue to do that in spite

3283
03:06:28,080 --> 03:06:31,440
Speaker 10: of the negative impact that the effects of Donald Trump

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Speaker 10: has had on our communities.

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Speaker 1: All right, bab O Blo, I want to thank you

3286
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Speaker 1: for sharing your thoughts.

3287
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Speaker 3: Is money.

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03:06:37,840 --> 03:06:39,600
Speaker 1: You made a lot of people think as usual, and

3289
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Speaker 1: thank you for helping us out here again. I'm sure, folks,

3290
03:06:43,720 --> 03:06:45,880
Speaker 1: if they want to reach you, I guess you'll have

3291
03:06:45,959 --> 03:06:47,000
Speaker 1: to come through me to get to you.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm you know, at eighty one, But I got

3294
03:06:53,240 --> 03:06:55,320
Speaker 10: a lot on my play right now. If I have

3295
03:06:55,400 --> 03:06:58,560
Speaker 10: to have an operation in a few days, and you know,

3296
03:06:58,840 --> 03:07:03,000
Speaker 10: just so you know, I Ca'm not in a position

3297
03:07:03,080 --> 03:07:07,160
Speaker 10: where I can have direct access for a lot of people.

3298
03:07:07,360 --> 03:07:08,879
Speaker 10: So all.

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Speaker 1: I'll take that burden off you for you. If you

3300
03:07:13,080 --> 03:07:15,039
Speaker 1: want to reach Babolomuma, just hit me up and I'll

3301
03:07:15,200 --> 03:07:18,480
Speaker 1: get you in touching it. And Baba, just thank you again, man,

3302
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Speaker 1: and thank you for the for being a grell in

3303
03:07:21,440 --> 03:07:24,560
Speaker 1: our community and all the folks in Washington, d C.

3304
03:07:24,760 --> 03:07:26,320
Speaker 1: Or Moja House, and thank you for coming up with

3305
03:07:26,400 --> 03:07:28,840
Speaker 1: these thought provoking topics each and every time we call on.

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Speaker 10: Just thank you, Thank you, sir, have given me the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: All right, family, that's it for the day. Class is dismissed.

3308
03:07:36,840 --> 03:07:39,520
Speaker 1: Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll see you

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Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten

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Speaker 1: ten WLB and also in the DMV on fourteen fifty

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Speaker 1: wol or. Information is power.